Ever since they were bought out by the REV group a few years ago Lance quality has decreased a lot! I've talked to a number of RV dealers and they all agree. Personally I wouldn't touch a Lance. Do some research first.
Depends on your dealer. I know that Parris RV h is having some huge discounts right now. I am sure the price is different now since that was well over a year ago. Thanks for watching.
Not enough off grid choices. With current technology it kind of angers me that RVs are not being built for long-term off grid. This RV should have a full array of solar with batteries, recycled and filtered gray water tank hooked up to the shower, and sink(s), an air to water generator fed and filtered to the fresh water tank, a small washer/dryer, having both an induction cooktop, and propane cook top installed, soft start air conditioner, convection oven (no microwave) with an outdoor wood burning grill, electric and propane heater(s) since insurance companies do not like the micro wood burning stoves, and so much more.
For the solar I am sure you could order it with them or at least prepped. These trailers are not built for extended times off grid they are for short excursions. We do prefer to buy some of these things such as solar separate rather than pay the manufacturer cost. We like Lion Energy for solar and lithium power. Thanks for watching.
@@tyrone-tydavis5858 those items are not that expensive. I'm sure if a large manufacturer were to do this, they could make a deal since they would be buying in quantity.
@@tyrone-tydavis5858 I have, and it would be much easier to do so without having to remove or cut things out at the manufacturer level. And it isn't as expensive as it is being made out. Shop around, call the companies. Deals can be made.
I have a Lance 1995 which is very similar to this one. The small black locked undercarriage compartment is for your 25 foot main power cord and whatever other adapters you care to carry ...🙂
@@JauntJunkies Yes, very much so. Mine is a 2021 and they have made significant improvements in the 2022 model year (The door and screen door, ALL windows are the euro large opening windows, the Road armor suspension and the new stabilization jacks to name a few). Mine are all good and working well, but they have upped the game with the 2022 models...only "complaint" in the 2022's is the use of the small 4 inch generic exhaust fans (I think there are 2 of them - they are pretty useless and I took the one out of mine and swapped in a MaxxFan). They should not require their owners to breach the ceiling seals just to get a decent fan in there. While I like the included Fantastic Fan, I now have both the Fantastic and the MaxxFan, which is better IMO...
My wife and i just attended the Indy RV show and looked at these RVs and neither of us were impressed. Same shitty build quality all RVs have. Same crappy paper covered particle board everyone uses. Opinions are well you know. All RVs need lots of TLC and constant repairs.
@@JauntJunkies it stands out like all the rest. Same old poor quality. After owning a number of RVs they all need constant repairs. Lance will be no different. You have the perfect name for RVs…lol
I purchased a 2022 and received it March 2022. It is now almost a year later and I’m still having the problems with it. For one the material used around the slide out his contact paper on top of a fiber board and that does not work, it starts to crack and come off. The cabinets above the sink and the cooktop are also contact paper on a curve and it started to come apart. Bubbling cracking. The shades at the front are guided by two nylon strings with some what I refer to as backpackers That pack the folds down but they are held on using double face tape, which then eventually come off and then the whole shade buckles into the living quarters. The mattress if you notice when in the video you flipped the mattress over the bottom, half slides down, and it’s not being supported by the platform and so when you’re sleeping, you feel that seem many other problems with mine and still after 10 months, I am still waiting for repairs.
Wow, and they aren't cheap. I was looking at one but the owner of the dealership told me surveyor by forest river is a better choice than Lance and cheaper. I bought 2021 19bhle and so far it has been great. Took it out at least 10 times off road camping. The only complaint about it is the heater a bit loud at night. Hopefully the warranty will resolve your problems
We ordered and bought a 2022 Lance 1172 truck camper picked it up last November. Absolutely love it. Some people don’t like these new type windows. But they are superior. They open wide and importantly keep the rain out so you can have ventilation even in the rain. Our older camper we had to close the windows when it rained
I’ve been impressed with Lance quality for a long time. Not sure I would want to be walking across the vinyl roof and over the solar panel and A/C to get to the roof rack. Also I know many manufacturers have the foot of the bed just as you walk into the camper, sometimes even a few inches blocking the entryway I’m not a fan of that. Our 19’ has the bed at the rear so if my wife is napping I’m not waking her. But over all very nice
I like the Lance 1985 it's a great layout, unfortunately, although they are made well, they have long term problems. The axles aren't rated high enough they bend and eat tires. The carrying capacity is poor, especially loaded with water. The tongue weight is 600lbs it's heavier than the specs state. For the amount of money these cost they're just not worth it.
Not even close to bigfoot or arctic fox. Small wheels, no ground clearance, no countertop, step up into dinette slide, low cargo weight, smaller holding tanks. You pay for the name.
Thanks for watching. We have not toured a Bigfooot but we have toured Arctic Fox’s and we love them. I would have to see how the price compares because they are a little pricey as well.
Don’t like the euro windows and stargazer window. We have them in our Little Guy Max and the shade mechanism has been nothing but trouble. The pleated edges let mosquitoes in big time! As for the “stargazer” window, when we go to bed after stargazing outside darkness is key and if you fall asleep with it open your gonna make a lot of noise struggling to close it at 5am. Also, the lack of counter prep space is a consideration-we do a lot of cooking when we’re out. Otherwise I love Lance trailers. They’re on our list to replace our Little Guy Max.
I’ve owned four trailers now I have now had a Lance 22,85 or the last nine years best trailer I’ve ever owned love it live in Canada travel a lot west my trailer I didn’t notice. I’m not sure if I am right, but the suspension it look to be springs only thing I don’t like about my trailer, it’s a bit low. I’d like it to be a few inches higher besides that a very good trailer had no trouble in the last nine years.
Great review. This TT is really well thought out. Super storage. I was camping this past weekend and walked in a Lance TT almost identical to this model (I’d swear it was the same). But when compared to a Northwoods Arctic Fox TT there is no comparison in build quality. The Lance has walls less than half the thickness, the roof is probably 1/4 the depth, and there is no comparison of the frame, when compared to an Arctic Fox. The big disadvantage of the Arctic Fox is its weight. Because it has such a heavy frame and more than double the insulation it is very heavy. I know my 34’ Arctic Fox fifth wheel weighs more than most 40’ fifth wheels Pros and cons to every brand and RV. Just depends upon what is important to one. Thanks for a great review.
I have a double axel LANCE 5th wheel RV that is 19-1/2 ft long and 8 feet wide manufactured in 1989. I have owned it since the year 2003. It is well insulated, easy to heat and or keep cool. I love it and they are built to last.
I absolutely love Lance's...but the price on these things has gotten way too out of control.....80k Canadian for these things now where it was more around 65k only 5 years ago. I especially love the new 2085 model.
Best line in this great review: "Most RV ladders are shit"! So true! Love this review, though some of the comments make me weary! Thanks for another lovely video, from Blowing Rock, Blue Ridge Mountains, North Carolina!
Definetly a great coach. Love the trays in the cargo and batteries area. Also the covered three 20# propane tanks. These are easy to exchange everywhere vs the 2-30# tanks. Tons of storage too. For my family situation, I believe the 20 or 2185 is the one that fits the mold. The one that has 3 bunk beds in the back with cargo door.
I'm so glad someone else is seeing this too. another thing that gets me is, if you go anywhere that's cold ( snowboarding, snowmobiling, ice fishing etc.) they don't have appropriate insulation and heating. doesn't anyone camp unless it's 70 degrees outside?
I appreciate and am grateful for the TH-camrs that do these videos. Here is one thing I do not understand, why to the vast majority of these reviews always start with the outside of the RV rather than the inside? For me, if I do not like the interior I don't care about the exterior. It is mute.
Lance 2295 owner for 3 years now! Would never spend that type of money again for a RV trailer! Something always breaks. There are much better options out there for less money! Edit: Run us around $ 50 g’s with extras Btw no inverters for the solar that’s extra
I can get more for my 2016 fiberglass Casita Spirit Deluxe 17’ travel trailer than I paid for it new! I can easily tow it behind my FJ Cruiser too! I love that trailer! Happy camping!
Lance leads the market in expert/excellent designed, high quality travel trailer for the money. I’d like to see a break down of how the undercarriage and body are insulated for 4 season camping.
I have been shopping for an RV/Camper to live fulltime in now for over a year. I am sick and tired of people doing walkthroughs, telling me how cool this is or that is. Just show it and describe it. I will be the judge of how cool things are. Microwave is TOO HIGH! Just imagine how that hot coffee is going to feel when you pour it down your chest or face! LAW SUIT ANYONE? They need to focus on a two burner cooktop. Hardly anyone ever uses more than two at a time. You glossed over the Fridge. Brand? Cubic feet? LP? 12 volt? Shore power? Both? All three? C'mon! We need details not opinions! The couch and bed is a TOTAL waste of space! It NEEDS a couch/Murphy bed combo! Take a look at the Grand Design 17MKE. They make much better use of space. This video is for all intents and purposes useless. Vey little information and a whole lot of opinion. Not even an MSRP! Even the Lance website doesn't offer the MSRP. Go look at Grand Design!
Great review. This TT is really well thought out. Super storage. I was camping this past weekend and walked in a Lance TT almost identical to this model (I’d swear it was the same). But when compared to a Northwoods Arctic Fox TT there is no comparison in build quality. The Lance has walls less than half the thickness, the roof is probably 1/4 the depth, and there is no comparison of the frame, when compared to an Arctic Fox. The big disadvantage of the Arctic Fox is its weight. Because it has such a heavy frame and more than double the insulation it is very heavy. I know my 34’ Arctic Fox fifth wheel weighs more than most 40’ fifth wheels Pros and cons to every brand and RV. Just depends upon what is important to one. Thanks for a great review.
Yeah all for the low low price of what??? 50-60K??? Gee I'll take 2!!! Such a deal!!! Then in 2 years they are worth 15K like all the rest...... no thanks
No matter what You build, there's that 5% that always says, "if only it had this or did that I'd buy one" That gets tiring to hear, I say if You pay enough Money You can have it Your Way, but otherwise then that shut up and live with it if You can't afford to have Custom Built!
Sure do wish we knew how TALL - you people are… That should be the very first piece of information you gave us, on an informational video like this. Just my two cents
I love Lances, we almost drove clear across the US for a 1984 model that met our needs, but some of the outdoor features you mentioned, like the table holder, have been on other RV models for a few years. Heartland has had it for 3yrs now.
I owned a Lance 2285TT, the largest at the time I bought it. It was okay, but really no different than other brands I've owned. We sold it and went to a larger 5th wheel.
It's nice but I'm not blown away. I don't like the window system with all those handle thingies showing, and I don't like that the mattress is always "there." Honestly, I think I'd prefer it if it were just a bed that didn't fold back.
I don't think Lance uses wood as a framing material...the walls are aluminum frames and hard block foam insulation thermo-bonded between fibreglass....Lance uses composite Azdel in place of Luan wood, to eliminate mold and mildew. Azdel is also lighter, carcinogen and formaldehyde free and has better "R" value for superior insulation. They do spend alot of time focused on weight reduction (including the lower-riding suspension of the coach) to improve trailering performance...The roof is also a fully walk-on structure...
No idea on the roof material and if it would start leaking in 6 months. Did this happen to you? What rubber material are you referring too so I can look into this. Thanks for watching.
Noticed some shock absorbers on those axles as well. That is super uncommon, in fact I am not aware of any travel trailer that has those from the factory. Pretty nice unit.
We took delivery of our new Lance 1985 in early Spring 2018, so going on 5 years now. Prior to that, we owned a Lance 1685. Ours has most all of the factory upgrades, including convertible sofa, solar, 3” raised chassis for off-roading, power stabilizers, slide-out bin in the front storage area, and more. Here are our observations: Pros • A big advantage: To cut costs, most RV builders place their different length boxes on the same length chassis. This results in a less-than-optimal balance over the axles. Lance builds their frames to match the box size. Consequently, the axles are at the optimum location beneath the box, balance is enhanced, and it tows like a trailer weighing much less. • Fit and finish is excellent. Little touches like edge molding and the light fixtures are simply a cut above the competition. Quality components. • For a 23’ trailer, it’s very spacious, tons of internal and external storage. • Huge slide-out, comfortable, plush cushions, seats 4 adults easily. Never any mechanical problems. • Solid roof, 40-45 gallon tanks, 4-season capable. • Convertible sofa. It’s actually very comfy. We use it all the time. • Dual axles - rides smoothly and tracks straight. Quality tires. • Excellent solar charging system. We replaced the dual factory 12-volt batteries with dual 6-volt batteries. The batteries have never run down past 2/3 full, even over multiple cloudy days and overnight in cold weather. • Walk-around bed. The crawl-over bed in our previous Lance 1685 proved to be a pain and was one of the drivers that motivated us to step up to the Lance 1985. • Audio and TV/DVD system work fine. 6 speakers total. • Our 2018 Ram 1500 has no trouble whatsoever towing the 1985. A ½ ton will pull this trailer no problem provided you have the correct axle gear ratio. Our previous 2007 Ram 1500 did not and it struggled. • Initial price is high, but resale value is outstanding. We sold our Lance 1685 for more than we paid for it. Cons • As a rule, we’ve found that the things that malfunction are typically sourced components like the Dometic appliances, not the Lance trailer itself. • A/C is loud. You’ll either need shore power, a generator larger than 2000 watts, or install an EasyStart soft starter. A 2000-watt generator may or may not have enough juice on start-up. We once had a pair of Generac 2000-watt generators paired in parallel (3200 watts on startup). We attempted to run both the A/C and the microwave at the same time. It fried the circuit boards on both generators. This is an issue with any trailer. Watch your wattage demands vs. supply. • Slide-out external screws come loose. Others have noted this issue. Had to replace with larger screws. • Changed the basic shower head to a better-quality head. Saves water, increases pressure. • Lance customer service is just OK. However, the Lance Owners Association (LOA) is a fantastic resource for tips, advice, etc. • The inside diameter of the rear bumper is too small to accommodate the sewage hoses. Don’t know why Lance couldn’t use a slightly larger bumper (literally, just a ½” larger) so that you can store the hoses inside the bumper, on the outside the trailer instead of having to put them in a sealed container in the rear outside storage compartment. • Biggest complaint: The awning is rarely usable for two reasons. 1) It uses scissor arms to extend and retract. Sounds great on paper - no clotheslining as you walk around outside. However, if even a light-moderate breeze comes up, the awning starts to flap and risks torquing the arms and breaking them. The automatic retraction feature that senses potentially damaging winds is nice, but it retracts whenever there's the slightest breeze. There is no provision for attaching guy lines or poles to help stabilize. 2) The awning will hit the door if left open. If you try to extend or retract the awning while the door is open, you will surely damage the door, the awning, or both - significantly. In our view, this is a major design flaw. If we leave the auto-retract feature on, we can’t leave the door open. If we want the door open, we have to turn off the auto-retract feature, thus risking awning breakage if a gust hits. Despite the cons, all in all, we love our Lance 1985 and would buy again.
@@JauntJunkies Nice review but, there is no one under 6’ tall in my family. Even my wife and daughter are 6’. The boys and I are over 6’4”. That little Lance trailer is wholly inadequate for our needs. The shower 🚿 was laughable at best. Cargo capacity ? Unacceptable. The slide-in outdoor table was truly a unique idea !
I have had 3 LANCE campers, loved them all, still have my 2018 Model 1985, However, I would NEVER buy one since REV has bought the company. They are now just everyday overpriced mediocre garbage. Buy a LANCE pre REV. A perfect example in this video is cheap plastic front window they now use. Mine is automotive glass. I tore out the couch bed and made an office in its space and put the bed in the slide.
@@JauntJunkies we're looking at coming to the states later in the year to check some trailers out, I read where you blokes in the states have taken our best and improved on them, it's one thing Americans do well and that's build stuff, looking forward to the visit, by the way we have a Lotus Trooper a good solid offroader, cheers take care of yourselves
You are welcome to look up the price from your local Lance dealer. The prices change quite often so you might get a better price now in the winter. Thanks for watching.
I would like something like this without the slide and dinette, and use the bedroom/lounge for dining with a separate table. I think I'd also prefer a shower curtain instead of the door. The rest of the trailer is awesome! The storage is amazing!Thanks for the tour! 💕
@@michaelweaver9264 this was a few years ago. I know it has went down. www.parrisrv.com. Should be able to give you up to date price. Thanks for watching.
They have lost their mind!! 200k and it isnt even off grid ready? 😂 add a toe vehicle and you are atleast at the 250k mark probably closer to 275k. You can buy a completely custom totally off grid 4x4 sprinter van for less and have a lot nicer camper
It looked quality and I was liking everything until you got to the end with the fold up bed. It didn't look user-friendly and it was kind of a deal breaker for me.
Have been trailing since I was 12 yrs old since Dad was a huge outdoorsy US marine. Lance is impressive my 1685 21 ft is my heart. The finishing touches are exquisite and feels like home. I did order it in 2016 with some factory custom features which is always possible! Go to Montana twice a year and I’m still loving my Lance over any other but that’s my opinion. 👌🌺💕
We want ccc (1440) and dry weight, 5,000 and something? 300# rack needs to be 500#, some people electric wheel chairs. Water intake and outside shower needs to be locking. (Non standard rv keys that are all the same!).
I thought I was going to really like this trailer and I do. BUT, bedroom windows are way too big, it needs to be dark to sleep. For me anyway. Black sink in the bathroom is a nightmare. Waterspots are white. Been there done that. Don't like the bed set up, change up thing. It has to be a bed and stay a bed but I understand the reasoning. Well made trailer, I love the kitchen even the step up dinette. Reminds me of our boat...thankyou folks!
Love it. She really showcased much of the interior. Dude needs to man up though and stop being a whining baby about what he doesn't like. Her purse is definitely bigger than his. 🤣
They put the outdoor shower right next to the power going into the unit.😂😂😂😂 and then the indoor shower is too small😂 remove the bathroom sink make the shower bigger you have a kitchen sink literally 4 1/2 feet away and put a toilet a adult can actually sit down on in the camper
From the uncomfortable step up dinette and that crappy full out bed , Lance trailer's are so over priced and still don't offer much , you still have to buy all the extra's .Plus there low grade solar pkg is a joke .
The CAD Computer systems are light years ahead of the systems of 1985. I definitely would have upgraded and redisigned the bathroom. As it is the shower is just too small.
I have a 05 Holiday Rambler Savoy all aluminum welded frame , aluminum side walls ,frame rated 10,000 lbs capacity Holiday Rambler only made these 2 years ,18year old decals still look new shine sideways ,that quality.
Only big change I would make is to have a folding or retractable cover for the folded up bed. It's an eyesore. Not to mention, a folding panel that could store underneath could be used to increase places to put things while relaxing on the sofa.
thanks for your videos , there is a lot of doors on the side of this RV makes prone to accident because the laches can open on road .... the second thing the shower is too small , the third thing instead of chairs and tables they could design a table can introduce near the mattress and sitting space there. the third thing how strong is the slide room eventually it will be a problem. the next thing what structural materials they used in that RV.Also whether they have mosquito nets in the windows which helpful in warm climate.
You forgot to metion that you have to get on your hands and knees to connect the sewer dump hose. Getting on your hands and knees at the dump station is so pleasant...
Sorry when we go review these we don’t always get the go ahead on operating all the components. We are also not buying so we hate to take anyone away from their jobs to help us. If that makes sense. Thanks for watching.
![[Full Episode] The Restaurant War Thailand ศึกพ่อค้าซ่าแม่ค้าแซ่บ Episode 2 | 29 ก.ย. 67](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r3lfLNH6Ke4/mqdefault.jpg)
Ever since they were bought out by the REV group a few years ago Lance quality has decreased a lot! I've talked to a number of RV dealers and they all agree.
Personally I wouldn't touch a Lance. Do some research first.
Thanks for watching.
How much for this model? How come it's not shown?
Depends on your dealer. I know that Parris RV h is having some huge discounts right now. I am sure the price is different now since that was well over a year ago. Thanks for watching.
Can you pull out the moraid storage tray from both ends?
I can’t remember off the top of my head but I don’t think so.
Not enough off grid choices. With current technology it kind of angers me that RVs are not being built for long-term off grid. This RV should have a full array of solar with batteries, recycled and filtered gray water tank hooked up to the shower, and sink(s), an air to water generator fed and filtered to the fresh water tank, a small washer/dryer, having both an induction cooktop, and propane cook top installed, soft start air conditioner, convection oven (no microwave) with an outdoor wood burning grill, electric and propane heater(s) since insurance companies do not like the micro wood burning stoves, and so much more.
For the solar I am sure you could order it with them or at least prepped. These trailers are not built for extended times off grid they are for short excursions. We do prefer to buy some of these things such as solar separate rather than pay the manufacturer cost. We like Lion Energy for solar and lithium power. Thanks for watching.
Sounds like you need to go into the RV manufacturing business. I wonder how big the market is for a $200,000 19' RV?
@@tyrone-tydavis5858 those items are not that expensive. I'm sure if a large manufacturer were to do this, they could make a deal since they would be buying in quantity.
@@kaycoffman5798
So that it sounds like there's absolutely no reason for you not buying an RV and modifying it to *YOUR* taste and needs.
@@tyrone-tydavis5858 I have, and it would be much easier to do so without having to remove or cut things out at the manufacturer level. And it isn't as expensive as it is being made out. Shop around, call the companies. Deals can be made.
I have a Lance 1995 which is very similar to this one. The small black locked undercarriage compartment is for your 25 foot main power cord and whatever other adapters you care to carry ...🙂
I kinda figured that is what it is for. So well designed. Have you been happy with yours.
@@JauntJunkies Yes, very much so. Mine is a 2021 and they have made significant improvements in the 2022 model year (The door and screen door, ALL windows are the euro large opening windows, the Road armor suspension and the new stabilization jacks to name a few). Mine are all good and working well, but they have upped the game with the 2022 models...only "complaint" in the 2022's is the use of the small 4 inch generic exhaust fans (I think there are 2 of them - they are pretty useless and I took the one out of mine and swapped in a MaxxFan). They should not require their owners to breach the ceiling seals just to get a decent fan in there. While I like the included Fantastic Fan, I now have both the Fantastic and the MaxxFan, which is better IMO...
My wife and i just attended the Indy RV show and looked at these RVs and neither of us were impressed. Same shitty build quality all RVs have. Same crappy paper covered particle board everyone uses. Opinions are well you know. All RVs need lots of TLC and constant repairs.
For sure RVs are not what they use to be. Comparing the Lance to others in that class we feel the Lance stands out. Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies it stands out like all the rest. Same old poor quality. After owning a number of RVs they all need constant repairs. Lance will be no different. You have the perfect name for RVs…lol
I purchased a 2022 and received it March 2022. It is now almost a year later and I’m still having the problems with it. For one the material used around the slide out his contact paper on top of a fiber board and that does not work, it starts to crack and come off. The cabinets above the sink and the cooktop are also contact paper on a curve and it started to come apart. Bubbling cracking. The shades at the front are guided by two nylon strings with some what I refer to as backpackers That pack the folds down but they are held on using double face tape, which then eventually come off and then the whole shade buckles into the living quarters. The mattress if you notice when in the video you flipped the mattress over the bottom, half slides down, and it’s not being supported by the platform and so when you’re sleeping, you feel that seem many other problems with mine and still after 10 months, I am still waiting for repairs.
Sorry to hear you are having those problems. Is the factory working with you?
Wow, and they aren't cheap. I was looking at one but the owner of the dealership told me surveyor by forest river is a better choice than Lance and cheaper. I bought 2021 19bhle and so far it has been great. Took it out at least 10 times off road camping. The only complaint about it is the heater a bit loud at night. Hopefully the warranty will resolve your problems
We ordered and bought a 2022 Lance 1172 truck camper picked it up last November. Absolutely love it. Some people don’t like these new type windows. But they are superior. They open wide and importantly keep the rain out so you can have ventilation even in the rain. Our older camper we had to close the windows when it rained
I have heard these European style windows are loved by people. Glad to hear you like your Lance camper.
Only 75000$ 😂 I’ll stick with my 2022 wolfPup that I just paid off
Nothing wrong with a paid off trailer.
I’ve been impressed with Lance quality for a long time. Not sure I would want to be walking across the vinyl roof and over the solar panel and A/C to get to the roof rack. Also I know many manufacturers have the foot of the bed just as you walk into the camper, sometimes even a few inches blocking the entryway I’m not a fan of that. Our 19’ has the bed at the rear so if my wife is napping I’m not waking her. But over all very nice
I think it is a really quality unit. Thanks for watching.
I like the Lance 1985 it's a great layout, unfortunately, although they are made well, they have long term problems. The axles aren't rated high enough they bend and eat tires. The carrying capacity is poor, especially loaded with water. The tongue weight is 600lbs it's heavier than the specs state. For the amount of money these cost they're just not worth it.
Thanks for watching. Good to hear your feedback on them. Do you own one?
Starting in 2022 they changed axles & frame. Heavier duty. We are now considering it for our next trailer.
I dont see 100k worth in this unit maybe I am wrong.
I don’t remember it being 100k. Thanks for watching
@@JauntJunkies in Canada they start at 89k and go up plus our tax here is 13%.
Not even close to bigfoot or arctic fox. Small wheels, no ground clearance, no countertop, step up into dinette slide, low cargo weight, smaller holding tanks. You pay for the name.
Thanks for watching. We have not toured a Bigfooot but we have toured Arctic Fox’s and we love them. I would have to see how the price compares because they are a little pricey as well.
Im not seeing the 58-64 grand
I think that may go with any rv built today. Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies true dat my friend… or anything else these days… lol
Looks well built. Lost me with the bedroom. Giant plastic windows and folding mattress. 👎🏻
Thanks for watching. These small floor plan units sometimes get over creative. For this it may be the bedroom.
Yup…lost me with that bedroom set up too
Just keep a mattress topper with the mattress and you’ll be fine.
Don’t like the euro windows and stargazer window. We have them in our Little Guy Max and the shade mechanism has been nothing but trouble. The pleated edges let mosquitoes in big time! As for the “stargazer” window, when we go to bed after stargazing outside darkness is key and if you fall asleep with it open your gonna make a lot of noise struggling to close it at 5am. Also, the lack of counter prep space is a consideration-we do a lot of cooking when we’re out. Otherwise I love Lance trailers. They’re on our list to replace our Little Guy Max.
I have heard 50/50 on the euro windows. Glad to hear your experience. Thanks for watching.
I’ve owned four trailers now I have now had a Lance 22,85 or the last nine years best trailer I’ve ever owned love it live in Canada travel a lot west my trailer I didn’t notice. I’m not sure if I am right, but the suspension it look to be springs only thing I don’t like about my trailer, it’s a bit low. I’d like it to be a few inches higher besides that a very good trailer had no trouble in the last nine years.
Glad to hear from a real owner’s perspective. Thanks for watching.
Great review. This TT is really well thought out. Super storage.
I was camping this past weekend and walked in a Lance TT almost identical to this model (I’d swear it was the same).
But when compared to a Northwoods Arctic Fox TT there is no comparison in build quality. The Lance has walls less than half the thickness, the roof is probably 1/4 the depth, and there is no comparison of the frame, when compared to an Arctic Fox.
The big disadvantage of the Arctic Fox is its weight. Because it has such a heavy frame and more than double the insulation it is very heavy.
I know my 34’ Arctic Fox fifth wheel weighs more than most 40’ fifth wheels
Pros and cons to every brand and RV. Just depends upon what is important to one.
Thanks for a great review.
Never toured the Arctic Fox travel trailer. I asked Parris when they would try to bring them in because I do like them so much.
7,000 pound trailer is not light weight.
I guess it is all perspective. We are usually in 5th wheels. Thanks for watching.
I have a double axel LANCE 5th wheel RV that is 19-1/2 ft long and 8 feet wide manufactured in 1989. I have owned it since the year 2003. It is well insulated, easy to heat and or keep cool. I love it and they are built to last.
Great to hear thanks for watching.
I absolutely love Lance's...but the price on these things has gotten way too out of control.....80k Canadian for these things now where it was more around 65k only 5 years ago. I especially love the new 2085 model.
Thanks for watching. I bet we are prices come down to reality this year because dealers are overstocked.
Lance all ways has very good attention to detail on what they make. You pay for it but if you can afford it get it. They tow very good.
Thanks for watching. We were very impressed.
Best line in this great review: "Most RV ladders are shit"! So true! Love this review, though some of the comments make me weary! Thanks for another lovely video, from Blowing Rock, Blue Ridge Mountains, North Carolina!
Thanks for watching.
Definetly a great coach.
Love the trays in the cargo and batteries area. Also the covered three 20# propane tanks. These are easy to exchange everywhere vs the 2-30# tanks. Tons of storage too.
For my family situation, I believe the 20 or 2185 is the one that fits the mold. The one that has 3 bunk beds in the back with cargo door.
We have not seen that one yet. Lance seems to have done a great job maximizing space. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for watching
I'm so glad someone else is seeing this too. another thing that gets me is, if you go anywhere that's cold ( snowboarding, snowmobiling, ice fishing etc.) they don't have appropriate insulation and heating. doesn't anyone camp unless it's 70 degrees outside?
@@suewiseley2724 I don’t know any camp trailer built to handle that low of temps. Especially their water systems.
Compared to a Nash 18FM, a distant second or third.
Thanks for watching.
Its awesome, you thought of everything. Absolutely perfect.
Thanks for watching.
Not even close. Just an average overpriced build
Thanks for watching.
I appreciate and am grateful for the TH-camrs that do these videos. Here is one thing I do not understand, why to the vast majority of these reviews always start with the outside of the RV rather than the inside? For me, if I do not like the interior I don't care about the exterior. It is mute.
Thanks for watching. We try to start outside because lighting is better .
moot
I really like this camper, what I am looking for retirement!
Thanks for watching
Lance 2295 owner for 3 years now!
Would never spend that type of money again for a RV trailer!
Something always breaks.
There are much better options out there for less money!
Edit:
Run us around $ 50 g’s with extras
Btw no inverters for the solar that’s extra
Thanks for watching.
I can get more for my 2016 fiberglass Casita Spirit Deluxe 17’ travel trailer than I paid for it new! I can easily tow it behind my FJ Cruiser too! I love that trailer! Happy camping!
Thanks for watching.
Lance leads the market in expert/excellent designed, high quality travel trailer for the money. I’d like to see a break down of how the undercarriage and body are insulated for 4 season camping.
@@drew8642 that would be cool to get inside the underbelly and poke around. Thanks for watching.
Wish the price range would be mentioned
www.parrisrv.com/new-rvs-for-sale?s=true&lots=1231&manufacturer=lance
Ya, cool RV, but listening to these two makes me sick to my stomach. Good grief! Did they get them from the Annoying People Store? 😂
@@jdam1979 thanks for watching.
I will keep my 2022 RW 1910 pop up. Just turned in my 37 foot rv. Tired of cookie cutter rv parks looking at my neighbors
@@georgeduanejr thanks for watching.
I have been shopping for an RV/Camper to live fulltime in now for over a year. I am sick and tired of people doing walkthroughs, telling me how cool this is or that is. Just show it and describe it. I will be the judge of how cool things are.
Microwave is TOO HIGH! Just imagine how that hot coffee is going to feel when you pour it down your chest or face! LAW SUIT ANYONE?
They need to focus on a two burner cooktop. Hardly anyone ever uses more than two at a time.
You glossed over the Fridge. Brand? Cubic feet? LP? 12 volt? Shore power? Both? All three? C'mon! We need details not opinions!
The couch and bed is a TOTAL waste of space! It NEEDS a couch/Murphy bed combo! Take a look at the Grand Design 17MKE. They make much better use of space.
This video is for all intents and purposes useless. Vey little information and a whole lot of opinion. Not even an MSRP! Even the Lance website doesn't offer the MSRP. Go look at Grand Design!
Thanks for watching.
Great review. This TT is really well thought out. Super storage.
I was camping this past weekend and walked in a Lance TT almost identical to this model (I’d swear it was the same).
But when compared to a Northwoods Arctic Fox TT there is no comparison in build quality. The Lance has walls less than half the thickness, the roof is probably 1/4 the depth, and there is no comparison of the frame, when compared to an Arctic Fox.
The big disadvantage of the Arctic Fox is its weight. Because it has such a heavy frame and more than double the insulation it is very heavy.
I know my 34’ Arctic Fox fifth wheel weighs more than most 40’ fifth wheels
Pros and cons to every brand and RV. Just depends upon what is important to one.
Thanks for a great review.
Thanks for watching.
Yeah all for the low low price of what??? 50-60K??? Gee I'll take 2!!! Such a deal!!! Then in 2 years they are worth 15K like all the rest...... no thanks
For sure.
No matter what You build, there's that 5% that always says, "if only it had this or did that I'd buy one" That gets tiring to hear, I say if You pay enough Money You can have it Your Way, but otherwise then that shut up and live with it if You can't afford to have Custom Built!
Thanks for watching. Would be so amazing to have a custom build.
Sure do wish we knew how TALL - you people are…
That should be the very first piece of information you gave us, on an informational video like this.
Just my two cents
I thought we did when showing the shower. 5’3” and 5’ 10”. Thanks for watching.
They don't build Rvs to last more than 2 years at best. Doesn't matter what brand or model. They use cheap materials on everything
@@igotcha1345 thanks for watching
7000 lbs fairly light. You are quite the joker. What size LP tanks. Why not 2 20 lbs rather than 3 smaller. 20's can be traded out everywhere.
I kinda wondered that as well. 7k is fairly light depending on your perspective. Thanks for watching.
‘Really big’ and ‘really small’ are not actual terms for propane tank sizes…I’ll figure out their sizes. Thanks.
Thanks for watching. I am sure they have everything on the spec sheet on the website.
It's nice that to fold the bed back up, you're just lifting the mattress, unlike other units where you're lifting a wooden board underneith it.
It does get you more living space in a relatively small trailer. Thanks for watching.
I love Lances, we almost drove clear across the US for a 1984 model that met our needs, but some of the outdoor features you mentioned, like the table holder, have been on other RV models for a few years. Heartland has had it for 3yrs now.
Thanks for watching.
Dollar for dollar, I'd buy a Northwood every time. Better built and a real 4 season coach and more space for the money.
We are fans of Northwood for sure. Thanks for watching.
They say if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it: they're wrong...so, how much is it? and which state is Parris in?
Parris is in Payson Utah. The prices for all trailers is dropping so it is probably way less than when we filmed.
The only issue is it sounds like you're in a bathroom everywhere. Get rid of those bare plastic walls or something so it sounds like you're in a home
Thanks for watching.
Sold!!! I’m buying one!!! 👍🏽
Thanks for watching.
I do not like all the windows. Here in Florida it gets so hot. We end up putting extra covers on our windows to keep the heat out.
That could be a problem in Florida for sure. Thanks for watching.
Count how many times they said “dang”. That’s dang funny. But what about the msrp?
Make it a drinking game. Thanks for watching
I owned a Lance 2285TT, the largest at the time I bought it. It was okay, but really no different than other brands I've owned. We sold it and went to a larger 5th wheel.
Which 5th wheel did you get? Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies Jayco Northpoint.
I dont care for all the storage in the bathroom. I like model 1995 has the door at the back. Cant get to the bathroom with slide in. No thanks
We need to find a 1995 to tour. Thanks for watching.
It's nice but I'm not blown away. I don't like the window system with all those handle thingies showing, and I don't like that the mattress is always "there." Honestly, I think I'd prefer it if it were just a bed that didn't fold back.
The model one size bigger has a permanent not folded mattress. Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies I LOVE their trailers. I just wish I could afford one.
Also, there aren't any screens on the windows. Who wants to open those anyway?
U would freak out if Big Foot stuck his head in that wimdow at nignt.
@@anthonypanepinto9685 haha for sure
Old technology 1 solar panel. And your frame is made of wood. You have to step up. Look at Kendron in Australia
Does Kendrick sale in the U.S? Never heard of them. Thanks for watching.
I don't think Lance uses wood as a framing material...the walls are aluminum frames and hard block foam insulation thermo-bonded between fibreglass....Lance uses composite Azdel in place of Luan wood, to eliminate mold and mildew. Azdel is also lighter, carcinogen and formaldehyde free and has better "R" value for superior insulation. They do spend alot of time focused on weight reduction (including the lower-riding suspension of the coach) to improve trailering performance...The roof is also a fully walk-on structure...
Lance trailers are way too expensive. They are nice, but you will pay for it.
100% correct on that. Thanks for watching.
Lance makes such great products and optimizes smaller spaces with high end design
I think the same. Thanks for watching.
Does it have the same junky rubber roof? How bad is it going to leak in 6 months?
No idea on the roof material and if it would start leaking in 6 months. Did this happen to you? What rubber material are you referring too so I can look into this. Thanks for watching.
turn the table upside down though when storing. easier for the stored items in the tray not to get caught or stuck
Thanks for watching.
Noticed some shock absorbers on those axles as well. That is super uncommon, in fact I am not aware of any travel trailer that has those from the factory. Pretty nice unit.
Good eye I completely missed that.
Outdoors RV has them as well
The 1995 is a better layout, you enter in the back instead in the bedroom
Thanks for watching. We will have to check out the 1995.
It's Not the year 1985, but the model number !........ bye
Thanks for watching
We took delivery of our new Lance 1985 in early Spring 2018, so going on 5 years now. Prior to that, we owned a Lance 1685. Ours has most all of the factory upgrades, including convertible sofa, solar, 3” raised chassis for off-roading, power stabilizers, slide-out bin in the front storage area, and more. Here are our observations:
Pros
• A big advantage: To cut costs, most RV builders place their different length boxes on the same length chassis. This results in a less-than-optimal balance over the axles. Lance builds their frames to match the box size. Consequently, the axles are at the optimum location beneath the box, balance is enhanced, and it tows like a trailer weighing much less.
• Fit and finish is excellent. Little touches like edge molding and the light fixtures are simply a cut above the competition. Quality components.
• For a 23’ trailer, it’s very spacious, tons of internal and external storage.
• Huge slide-out, comfortable, plush cushions, seats 4 adults easily. Never any mechanical problems.
• Solid roof, 40-45 gallon tanks, 4-season capable.
• Convertible sofa. It’s actually very comfy. We use it all the time.
• Dual axles - rides smoothly and tracks straight. Quality tires.
• Excellent solar charging system. We replaced the dual factory 12-volt batteries with dual 6-volt batteries. The batteries have never run down past 2/3 full, even over multiple cloudy days and overnight in cold weather.
• Walk-around bed. The crawl-over bed in our previous Lance 1685 proved to be a pain and was one of the drivers that motivated us to step up to the Lance 1985.
• Audio and TV/DVD system work fine. 6 speakers total.
• Our 2018 Ram 1500 has no trouble whatsoever towing the 1985. A ½ ton will pull this trailer no problem provided you have the correct axle gear ratio. Our previous 2007 Ram 1500 did not and it struggled.
• Initial price is high, but resale value is outstanding. We sold our Lance 1685 for more than we paid for it.
Cons
• As a rule, we’ve found that the things that malfunction are typically sourced components like the Dometic appliances, not the Lance trailer itself.
• A/C is loud. You’ll either need shore power, a generator larger than 2000 watts, or install an EasyStart soft starter. A 2000-watt generator may or may not have enough juice on start-up. We once had a pair of Generac 2000-watt generators paired in parallel (3200 watts on startup). We attempted to run both the A/C and the microwave at the same time. It fried the circuit boards on both generators. This is an issue with any trailer. Watch your wattage demands vs. supply.
• Slide-out external screws come loose. Others have noted this issue. Had to replace with larger screws.
• Changed the basic shower head to a better-quality head. Saves water, increases pressure.
• Lance customer service is just OK. However, the Lance Owners Association (LOA) is a fantastic resource for tips, advice, etc.
• The inside diameter of the rear bumper is too small to accommodate the sewage hoses. Don’t know why Lance couldn’t use a slightly larger bumper (literally, just a ½” larger) so that you can store the hoses inside the bumper, on the outside the trailer instead of having to put them in a sealed container in the rear outside storage compartment.
• Biggest complaint: The awning is rarely usable for two reasons. 1) It uses scissor arms to extend and retract. Sounds great on paper - no clotheslining as you walk around outside. However, if even a light-moderate breeze comes up, the awning starts to flap and risks torquing the arms and breaking them. The automatic retraction feature that senses potentially damaging winds is nice, but it retracts whenever there's the slightest breeze. There is no provision for attaching guy lines or poles to help stabilize. 2) The awning will hit the door if left open. If you try to extend or retract the awning while the door is open, you will surely damage the door, the awning, or both - significantly. In our view, this is a major design flaw. If we leave the auto-retract feature on, we can’t leave the door open. If we want the door open, we have to turn off the auto-retract feature, thus risking awning breakage if a gust hits.
Despite the cons, all in all, we love our Lance 1985 and would buy again.
Glad to hear you have enjoyed yours. Thanks for watching.
Excellent review...nicely done!
She must be 4'11'' There is no way there is all that space in there.
Haha not quite she is 5’3”. Thanks for watching.
Travel Trailer 😅 its called a Caravan, gee you Yanks are funny.
Thanks for watching.
I love the tiny TV 16ft away from the couch 😊
Yeah not a rig for watching tv. Thanks for watching.
Well you can have a solar powered generator instead which is safer
We have one from Lion Energy it is awesome. Thanks for watching.
The key phrase was “its great for a small family “ Meaning Hobbits 😂
@@DonFarmer-hq5sw hobbits like you o go on adventure as well
@@JauntJunkies Nice review but, there is no one under 6’ tall in my family. Even my wife and daughter are 6’. The boys and I are over 6’4”.
That little Lance trailer is wholly inadequate for our needs. The shower 🚿 was laughable at best. Cargo capacity ? Unacceptable.
The slide-in outdoor table was truly a unique idea !
Not impressed with what I see, not for $70.000 to $80.000
Thanks for watching.
I have had 3 LANCE campers, loved them all, still have my 2018 Model 1985, However, I would NEVER buy one since REV has bought the company. They are now just everyday overpriced mediocre garbage. Buy a LANCE pre REV. A perfect example in this video is cheap plastic front window they now use. Mine is automotive glass. I tore out the couch bed and made an office in its space and put the bed in the slide.
@@mikebice3670 thanks for watching and giving your experience.
Get your bum to Australia mate and you'll see some tuff offroad caravans that will blow your mind
For sure Australia has some tough trailers. I wish we could afford an Australia trip that would be sweet.
@@JauntJunkies we're looking at coming to the states later in the year to check some trailers out, I read where you blokes in the states have taken our best and improved on them, it's one thing Americans do well and that's build stuff, looking forward to the visit, by the way we have a Lotus Trooper a good solid offroader, cheers take care of yourselves
I would buy an Outdoors RV over this.
Outdoors RV are awesome units and I am hearing really good reviews from owners.
Ice camper but like the others I believe their priced to high.
Thanks for watching.
Nice but the slideout could be the Achilles heel. A friend got one and getting the slideout fixed was a nightmare
What broke on his slide?
Sorry don’t know the specifics.
@@thomaswindle4663 ok I was just curious. Thanks for watching.
Get the better Vroom slide out system. No problems
The video doesn't state the price? that is not good practice/
You are welcome to look up the price from your local Lance dealer. The prices change quite often so you might get a better price now in the winter. Thanks for watching.
I would like something like this without the slide and dinette, and use the bedroom/lounge for dining with a separate table. I think I'd also prefer a shower curtain instead of the door. The rest of the trailer is awesome! The storage is amazing!Thanks for the tour! 💕
Thanks for watching.
I love this trailer. It would be so nice. Thanks for showing this!!
Thanks for watching
This brand is too expensive for the craftsmanship
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Roughly what is the selling price?
@@michaelweaver9264 this was a few years ago. I know it has went down. www.parrisrv.com. Should be able to give you up to date price. Thanks for watching.
They have lost their mind!! 200k and it isnt even off grid ready? 😂 add a toe vehicle and you are atleast at the 250k mark probably closer to 275k. You can buy a completely custom totally off grid 4x4 sprinter van for less and have a lot nicer camper
$200k? Thanks for watching.
It looked quality and I was liking everything until you got to the end with the fold up bed. It didn't look user-friendly and it was kind of a deal breaker for me.
We also wonder if the mattress situation would get old quick. Just one of those things manufacturers are doing to maximize space. Thanks for watching.
Me as well. Although, the price tag was the real deal breaker from the get go. The bed looks rather "messy" just tossed over like that.
Have been trailing since I was 12 yrs old since Dad was a huge outdoorsy US marine. Lance is impressive my 1685 21 ft is my heart. The finishing touches are exquisite and feels like home. I did order it in 2016 with some factory custom features which is always possible! Go to Montana twice a year and I’m still loving my Lance over any other but that’s my opinion. 👌🌺💕
Love hearing from an owner with personal experience. Thanks for watching and commenting. Stay safe in your travels.
We want ccc (1440) and dry weight, 5,000 and something? 300# rack needs to be 500#, some people electric wheel chairs. Water intake and outside shower needs to be locking. (Non standard rv keys that are all the same!).
Thanks for watching. I have no idea on how it is all keyed. Sorry did not factor in people’s wheel chairs etc.
I thought I was going to really like this trailer and I do. BUT, bedroom windows are way too big, it needs to be dark to sleep. For me anyway. Black sink in the bathroom is a nightmare. Waterspots are white. Been there done that. Don't like the bed set up, change up thing. It has to be a bed and stay a bed but I understand the reasoning. Well made trailer, I love the kitchen even the step up dinette. Reminds me of our boat...thankyou folks!
Thanks for watching. Great perspective on your comments.
Love it. She really showcased much of the interior. Dude needs to man up though and stop being a whining baby about what he doesn't like. Her purse is definitely bigger than his. 🤣
Thanks for watching.
They put the outdoor shower right next to the power going into the unit.😂😂😂😂 and then the indoor shower is too small😂 remove the bathroom sink make the shower bigger you have a kitchen sink literally 4 1/2 feet away and put a toilet a adult can actually sit down on in the camper
Thanks for watching.
Again no price?
Yeah every dealership is different and they did not have it posted.
Around 40 grand
From the uncomfortable step up dinette and that crappy full out bed , Lance trailer's are so over priced and still don't offer much , you still have to buy all the extra's .Plus there low grade solar pkg is a joke .
Thanks for watching.
The CAD Computer systems are light years ahead of the systems of 1985. I definitely would have upgraded and redisigned the bathroom.
As it is the shower is just too small.
Thanks for watching. Systems of 1985?
I have a 05 Holiday Rambler Savoy all aluminum welded frame , aluminum side walls ,frame rated 10,000 lbs capacity Holiday Rambler only made these 2 years ,18year old decals still look new shine sideways ,that quality.
Holiday Ramblers were/ are top quality units. Thanks for watching.
Note enough pantry space or off the grid
Thanks for watching
Only big change I would make is to have a folding or retractable cover for the folded up bed. It's an eyesore. Not to mention, a folding panel that could store underneath could be used to increase places to put things while relaxing on the sofa.
Thanks for watching.
"Best" In RV terms, that's a misnomer.
Thanks for watching
Who would pay 100k for that !!
@@michaelallred1516 thanks for watching . New ones look to be around $60k.
thanks for your videos , there is a lot of doors on the side of this RV makes prone to accident because the laches can open on road .... the second thing the shower is too small , the third thing instead of chairs and tables they could design a table can introduce near the mattress and sitting space there. the third thing how strong is the slide room eventually it will be a problem. the next thing what structural materials they used in that RV.Also whether they have mosquito nets in the windows which helpful in warm climate.
Thanks for watching.
Nice! Thanks and God bless.👍
Thanks for watching
You forgot to metion that you have to get on your hands and knees to connect the sewer dump hose. Getting on your hands and knees at the dump station is so pleasant...
Thanks for watching. There is nothing pleasant about a dump station but for sure hands and knees are a great point.
Might want to keep the curse words off your videos.
What curse word?
@@JauntJunkies At 7:08. That ladder is an upgrade too btw...
Agreed...
Not show how much walking space inside with slide closed
Sorry when we go review these we don’t always get the go ahead on operating all the components. We are also not buying so we hate to take anyone away from their jobs to help us. If that makes sense. Thanks for watching.
@@JauntJunkies The dealership should want to help with info.