(GoT) Alliser Thorne || A Man For The Wall
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" i fought , and i lost , now i rest " holy fck that got me in tears
That`s a real man.
Thorne did nothing wrong. I'm also the 100th like
@@TheMrPeteChannel So stabbing your Commander in the stomach is not "wrong". got it
@@Arcanomist After a decade of fighting wildlings, seeing them raid villages, witnessing their savagery, and seeing wildlings murder your brother-in-arms, you will be a very bitter man who sees the wildlings as no different than the White Walkers. The only reason the Free Folk were very calm when settling south of the Wall was the trauma of the Massacre of Hardhome and it made them wish never to fight again till the second Long Night until the Battle of the Bastards. Also, Torbjorn was reasonable.
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Alliser Thorne was a prick. He was also a man of conviction and in his own way honor. He ended up at the wall for nothing more than doing his duty, so naturally he became embittered, yet still continued to do his duty despite that. He may not have had the same vision Jon had, but he was dedicated to the Night's Watch.
Its beautiful to see that every time Sir Alliser Thorne talks to Jon he is far superior. Even in the moment of the hanging he still shows his force. What a good character he was. But he didn't understand who was the real enemy.
Absolutely!!! Only if ser Thorne had known the very person he hated was a tygerean whom were his benefactors
Yes Ser Alisser Thorne loyal to targaryens he hate toward jon because he believes jon is ned stark's bastard.
(Forgive my bad english)
I know that many people don‘t agree with me but I think Alliser was a great character. Like GRR Martin said, there is no black or white. And Alliser wasn‘t a bad person either. He lived for the Nights Watch (of course he wasn’t grateful to be there after Roberts Rebellion but he lived with it) and cared for his brothers even he treated them like shit. He protected the realm from thieves, rapist and murderers. And then there comes some bastard (I love Jon Snow) and let hundreds of them trough the gate. Of course he should have listened to what Jon Snow had to say about the real threat. But Alliser fought years against the Wildlings and now he has no choice but accepting it. But he couldn’t. So he had to do what was right - for him. He killed his Commander, not because he disliked him - no, he killed him because he wanted to protect the realm and the Nights Watch.
And this is the reason why I think he is a great character. Because no one is poor evil or good. Everyone thinks his actions ar the right one. And if the Story would have shown more of his sight, we would understand him much more.
And amazing video. So good!
Flaima I totally agree with your statement and I love this character because of the same reasons.
Flaima Are you kidding me! Your english is so good 😒
For another time do not say Forgive my fucking English because you will become a liar!
Flaima he was a good person on his perspective... So he is not the worst character in GoT...
I agree, he did what he believed was best for the realm, like how Jaime killed the mad king, but those are totally different.
Alliser Thorne in the show is an example of the human heart at conflict with itself.
Quite everybody hated him, but he wasnt a really bad guy. Maybe he was a little too devoted to the Night's Watch and he just wanted the Wildlings not to go through the wall, because that would have depraved the Night's Watch from its purpose.
Thorne fought Wildlings since the Robert's Rebellion. Wildlings possibly murdered countless of his friends. And the dude is devoted to the Watch. Jon became best friends with Tormund. That would make me mad as well
Exactly
Ser Alliser was always a loyal leader
Hero of 'War of Castle Black'
This tipe of caracters make game of thrones so great
I've never seen an Thorne video, and I am so thankful for one. Imagine seeing your family die at the hands of "invaders", and then a man, who lay with one of those murderers, became your PM or President. Thorne even showed loyalty to Jon's position, as Lord Commander, when he stood by and watched as people, whom he knew were murderers, marched past him into his country. Thorne was wrong of course, but how could any of us judge someone for being filled with such rage, when only a few number of us have even seen war much less a war waged for our whole life. Thorne was no villain.
Thorne was a man of conviction
Here!! Here!!!
No Villain, just stupid
Great character. Ser Alliser was a man of principle and he did serve the Night’s Watch loyally and to the best of his ability. Jon learned a ton from this man. He learned to lead despite heavy opposition. “Do you know what leadership means, Lord Snow? It means that the person in charge gets second guessed by every clever little twat with a mouth. But if he starts second guessing himself, that's the end. For him, for the clever little twats, for everyone.”
I will never forget “WITH ME NOW, NOW WITH ME”
One of the best characters in the show
Awesome character.
I fought. I lost. Now I rest - damn, what a great line!
He may have been unpopular but he was a professional soldier. Nothing more, nothing less. His job was to fight, and create more professional soldiers. He was hardened by his exile to the wall, hardened by the unending war with the wildlings, and disillusioned at the quality of recruits. Men whom he believed were a danger to themselves and to their brothers.
In this he was comparable to Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann from Full Metal Jacket. He did his duty as he understood it as best he could.
The inherent problem was poor leadership on Jon Snow's part. Quite simply he wasn't ready despite his great potential, courage and vision. He never explained his actions properly, never tried to make his men understand why their lifelong enemies should sleep under their roofs and eat their bread after having killed and raped their people. He said just do it and expected obediance, that's not how leadership works. Both Jon and Robb and especially Stannis weren't great leaders in that respect. If Jon had spent 5-10 years working his way up the ranks, learning about command and control, and the values of communication and diplomacy of speech when giving orders he could have been a great leader however circumstances intervened.
To lead one has to inspire trust above all else, and from the point of view of many Brothers he was a traitor and nothing more so is it any surprise they mutineed?
Thank you for putting into words what I had always thought but could not write.
What's more he is the perfect potrayal of an battle hardened officer. Hard on his men under him, but when shit hits the fan he is the one soldiers look up to
No surprise. There were a lot of real dirt bags in the Nights Watch. Remember what they did at Crasters Keep.
@@vincentbeall3680 Officers and Other Ranks have an unspoken covenant. The Other Ranks submit to Officers' authority because they expect the Officers to do everything in their power to ensure their welfare. In return Officers expect loyalty and obediance.
Pretty much all the mutinies suffered by the British Armed Forces in all its history came about when officers broke that covenant, and the men felt that they could not be relied upon to look after them and took action.
In the Vietnam War this was often taken a step further and officers that broke that covenant could wake up to a grenade in their sleeping bag.
@@vincentbeall3680 Ser Alliser Thorne lost faith that Jon was looking after his best interests. If I'm really really honest, I'd have done the same and mutinied if I was in his place
Allister was really intriguing he wasn't some sniveling coward like Janos he stood for his beliefs even when he thought death might come
He was Good man but misguided
Thanks for making a video. He is actually one of my favorite characters.
He was a miserable prick but he had his moments. He did what he thought was right and he paid the price for it.
Also, this is a tremendous video. One Grrm would be proud of. It goes to the core of his story, about the dignity of of character and humanity regardless of whether someone is well loved or hated. Great job as always!
How are you able to make me feel sorrow for the charcters I despise is beyond me. First Cercei, little Finger and Robert. Now Alliser. You're a magician! An insanely talented magician.
Why did you hate Robert
Comrade Che Nigga, fix your head. Thats an insult and not even one bit funny.
Sir alister is one of my favorite charachters
One thing you always have to give Alliser Thorne, in a series where so many people died either suddenly by betrayal, crying for mercy like babies, or unable to accept when they had lost, Alliser Thorne did not. He knew from the start what would happen if he failed his coup, he accepted that possiblity and decided what he was fighting for was worth it. In the end he didn't cry, he didn't bed, he didn't make excuses. He fought, he lost and then he would rest. With so many boys parading around as men in this series, Alliser was a real man, a hard son of a bitch sure, but a real man who understood and accepted the consequences of the decisions he made and live and died with them.
Really a underrated character.
Ser Alliser did nothing wrong! He was loyal to the Watch and stood firm with his oath.
Fun fact about Thorne: He hates Jon Snow because Thorne and Ned Stark fought on opposite sides in Robert’s rebellion. Thorne was forced to take the black when The Mad King was slain. He was loyal to the Targaryens. I think if he’d known Jon’s true identity, he would have treated him very differently…
Exactly. Thats why i dont hate Alliser Thorne, he did what he was thinking it was the right choice, but if he knew the truth, he would have been alive at the end
Thorne are also a very good character he also a Brave man
man they really made a good choice casting owen teale. such a great actor and absolutely nailed ser alliser
allister is just like ned stark he puts honor and duty before anything. if yall look closely he served the nights watch to protect that’s greatness.
He's protector of Night Watch. Respect!
He fought for Targaryens and saved loyalty,so he was sent to the Wall and,if he would know that John Snow is a Aegon VI Targaryen,rightful heir of the house,I’m sure that he would never bulled him up
Great acting from this man
Thank you Lord Baelish, this video was exceptionally well done. I expect no less from you. You keep on killing it
Say whatever you want about Ser Alliser, but he was "the man for the Watch". Besides his rivalry with Jon, mainly to the fact he was a Targaryen loyalist, and Eddard rose up against Aerys along with Robert, he recognised Jon when needed, and shown respect when it was required. He died for the Watch, believing and following his oath. I believe if he did saw what Jon did beyond the wall he would allow the wildlings to cross the gates peacefully.
Imagine Alliser Thorne fighting white walkers.
Alliser blamed the Starks for starting the rebellion. I agree. Everyone knew Aerys was crazy and mad, but Brandon Stark (Ned's arrogant brother), in his pride and stupidity, was confrontational in front of the Mad King. The Mad King of all people. Brandon should have "nicely" asked for a private audience with Rhaegar to confront the crown prince for taking Lyanna.
A great edit like this and anyone can fall in love with a character. Even Walder Frey and the Boltons. 😅
Gooby Cool. I hear the Red Wedding was peak fap-material for a lot of fans. Bit weird if you ask me but to each their own.
@@GutzOverFear Robb was very arrogant with Roose and he disrespected the shit out of the Freys. So yeah..... His death was fap material
@@muhammedshefin3939 Because everyone going a bit overboard on confidence sometimes and not showing unwavering respect to evident crooks deserves to die horribly... obviously!
I'd love to see you try : )
He never knew the real threat of the White Walkers. Had he seen something like Hardhome, he would have likely realised that fighting against the Wildlings just hurts humanity. I think he would have never trusted or let go of his hatred for the Wildlings but I think he could have been a big enough person to work with them against the White Walkers.
Because of that we have to understand them
Great video, and the fact that it is about a hateful character and secondary to makes it more awesome!
Your videos are awesome.
You capture the spirit of these characters very, very well.
I promise you, castle black will stand. Night watch will stand. Such a great speech
Incredible! The quality...❤️
This is one character that the TV show did do pretty good on
"DID YOU ALL PLAN TO DIE HERE TONIGHT" ? "NO SER!"
Great vid! Haven't seen many Thorne tributes out there. Ngl though I was waiting for "What are you f***ing waiting for?!" for the whole thing 😅
No matter who. The night's watch unites men of every class and background. Lord, bastards, smallfolk. Knights, soldiers, rapists , thieves. All will die to defend the wall. Long live the shield that guards the realms of men!
The best channel on TH-cam so far
CASTLE BLACK WILL STAND!!!
Never liked the man, but I respected him. Great video
i never liked him but the video is AMAZING 🔥🔥🔥
Ser Alliser was an absolute prick, but I would have 100% followed him into battle
Another wonderful video! Now, with GoT there has been no character like Alliser Thorne. He was my favorite 'love to hate' character. He was a darn good character for the show and made it interesting, especially for the Jon Snow story line, but I just hated him from the start! (But when he died I was mixed because he was so good!). Love that you're making videos for everyone. Is there any chance you'll make any others for Night's Watch characters (was my favorite story line)?
Anyway, love your content! :)
Maybe i love a lot of characters in the night's watch Jeor, Aemon, Edd, Grenn :D
That'd be awesome! Edd and Grenn are up there with my favorite characters of all of GoT. I really want to make a video for them down the line, but would love to see you done one! Great work again! :)
What a great Job congrats!
What a sick video. Mad probs mate
This deserve more views
Ser Alliser is better in the series than in the books.
Still a bastard inside, but anyway a better person.
We all fight and we lose. Its life. But we need to fight.
Actually, his speech is the reason why battle vs wildling is better than battle vs white walker.
"I fought... I lost... Now I rest..."
If he only wasn't that hateful against Jon Snow.... He'd been a great badass beloved character...
How did ya make this vid that good? I love that quality someone pls tell me I need to know.
This man got honor in different wat
Somewhere in the what if? Jon befriended him and turned him into a ally.
Excellent work once again. Do continue and you will get to 100k subs in no time.
Great video! Can you also make one about Locke?
Just before John Snow hanged Alliser he should have said ‘you once told me that you know cold... now you gonna feel cold’...
Fookin awesome!!!!
you turned him to a good person!!! Great video
He only tried to turn some useless boys into brothers of the Night's Watch.
Perfect!
I wish Thorne got to know Jon was a Targaryen
He would become Jon's staunchest ally
Ser Thorne was not a likeable character, but he was a brave and dedicated soldier, and utterly devoted to the Night's Watch. The actor who played him is more familiar as the senile drunken Father Jack from the comedy Father Ted, but GOT gave a him a chance to show off some serious acting chops...argh! Give him a drink, ye buggers!
I kind of admire him. At least a movie version of him
one true savager
Another top quality video
I liked it when ser alloser comityed his mistake by not sealing the gate
A guy who was sentence to the wall as a punishment died for its duty (Evil)
vs
A guy who went to the wall looking for brethren but abandoned it (Good)
fucking Jon blowers man ..
whoa what a good choice!
this quality :O
I like him. He did the right thing.
In hindsight Thorne the Targ loyalist, was a kingslayer, a traitor and outh-breaker, everything he hated. And he said he'd do it again. Little did he know. You know nothing Allisater Thorne.
I guess this is why the gods hate kin slayers even if they kill unkowingly, just like we hated him. Oh George, you sneaky bugger.
i need to see a lannister video with the serj tankian version of rains of Castamere ! pls!
Just think he hated Jon because his "father" helped the usurper and his fierce loyalty to the targeryians but the whole time he was pissing on the dragon heir.
Was hard men i love him
Which song is behind the the video?
I wonder if he didn’t kill Jon but saw the army of the dead then after at the feast in Winterfell when they won and Tormound was saying Jon is king. Would Alliser choice Jon as king or Daneeris as Queen?
Where do you get those good quality shots?
Never been so early'...
He deserved better, he shouldve died protecting the Wall not hung by the Watch
Ser Alliser was arrogant, but true guard on the Wall ! Can you accept my czech subtitules please ?
great video but a few jon snow scenes were unnecessary
For watch.
What's the music in this video?
Alliser Thorne did nothing wrong
He just did his job as lord commander
He wasnt lord commander, but yes. He did his job.
Jon Snow sees Wights Giants White Walkers in 1 or 2 years
Ser Alliser has spent 2 Decades in Nightswatch, months across the wall and he couldn't see them, this is shit, makes no sense.
Go to hell writers
Oh I hate this guy! But this video is awesome!
Dead because Jon Snow has a biggest plot Armor.
I hated Thorne and he was a prick, but he was also such a badass.
whos next ?
The show died with him
He was the most hateful character
Alliser is better character than Jon Snow.
He is not a true watcher because he don't fight for humanity!
He was just a bully!
Dude. You've never even seen war. He was more loyal to the Night's Watch, than Jon, who tried to leave once and did it for 2nd time. He lost friends and brothers of the Night's Watch thanks to wildlings. We cant imagine how much anger and sadness must fill you when your friends die and your leader allies with their killers. Alliser never got a chance to see the good side of the free folk. From what he saw, they were the enemies they swore to defend the seven kingdoms from aside from The Others. It was him who rallied his men to fight in a desperate battle without any thoughts of giving up. It was him who fought beside his men. He was a nights watch man in the heart. The kind of Jon heard stories about before arriving to the wall. A knight loyal to the nights watch until HIS WATCH HAS ENDED. If you struggle to see that in him and just see a bully, then youre blind.
@@therevanchist9986 He is not loyal to anyone! It was jon Who unite the nights watch and freefolk!
@@jeankristen.thestallion.5489 Wtf you talking about? Alliser was. Alliser followed every rule of the Nights Watch and never even thought about leaving it after being forced by Robert to go there for following the wrong king. He ordered his men to do their duty until their watch have ended when they were outnumbered by Mance Rayder, who had 10 times more men than the whole wall. Its actually Jon, who went against the rules of the Nights Watch. (Not saying he did a bad thing. If I was there, I wouldve supported him, like Edd and Samwell.) Nights Watch has sworn to fight against the wildlings ages before the events of Game of Thrones. His views and actions were entirely based on the code of the Nights Watch and his bad experience with Wildlings. If you dont have general knowledge of nights watch and loyalty I suggest you dont comment next time.
I think you haven't read books!
But still sorry if any of my words disturbs you!
@@jeankristen.thestallion.5489 Youre in a TV SHOW Alliser Thorne Tribute comments 🤦 And im reading 3rd book. So far Alliser havent done anything wrong
Ser Aliser Thorne > tony soprano + walter white
An interesting character, but not a nice person
He was a coward