Lmao at using Korgs midi controller to control a clone of their synth 😅 great video! It sounds good. Would’ve loved if Behringer added in an SQ-1 type sequencer.
Just received mine yesterday, great fun, awesome sound. Its now my 3rd Behringer synth, also have Neutron and Model D and I love how different and usable they all are.
Roy Naidoo a lot different, maybe not when it comes to oscilators (k2 ring is awesome) but filters are totaly different. I would say neutron is a more versetile synth, it even has overdrive and delay, but K2 has those dual filters that really give it different flavor.
Terry Jones in the "Life of Brian" movie at 11:22 - "He's a naughty boy...now go away !!!" Ha ha ha ...Monty Pythons are phenomenal ! Great demo as usual !
The MS 20 was my first synth 40 years ago. I lent it to somebody several years ago and never got it back I can't wait to get hold of one of these to add to my synth collection. I may even get 2 as I always wanted an MS50 to increase sound possibilities. It will fit in well with my Neutron and Model D. Plus Minilogue and Ultranova. The S&H isn't just cool, it is frigid. That's my favourite option on this synth.
Just want to chime in... if it's the same type of case as the model d, neutron, and the 104 eurorack case (it most certainly is) the side panels are wood, not plastic. You can take them off and look in the holes, feel the weight, smack them together to find out. I'm pretty sure it's the same wood used in the Deepmind synths too.
@@williamgeorgefraser so he stole it lol and he stole your Korg Delta, and you're just like "oh he moves around". Yeah I would be moving around too if I was conning people out of stuff they spent their hard earned money on. He could have easily looked you up and tried to call you/email you. That's what I would do. That dude wasn't your friend.
@@corypalmer5495 I was moving around, living on boats, which meant that I didn't have much use for them at the time. One job led to me being absent for several years and I lost touch with him. It was my fault and I accept that. I will still be buying a K2.
I can't chime in on this but I love my Neutron. I've used it on virtually every release since I got it. The gritty basses it can do are out of this world but it's also surprisingly great for pretty stuff as well!
Could you do some more experiments w/ the external in? The unique feature from the MS-20 was that you could play or trigger it w/ almost anything: another synth, a guitar etc. Anything w/ an audio signal could play this synth. Could you try to trigger the filter and envelope generator 2 w/ external gear (i.e. somewhat like a wah-wah pedal, which is nothing but a filter)?
I might add this to the comparison I've got planned. It's always a bit hit on mis on the MS20 - so wouldn't want folks to think it was any synth in particular doing it badly.
Would you patch between the K-2 and any Eurorack module to show if the patchbay is compatible? I realize the pitch is using a different standard but what about the other functions? Thanks.
It's s-trig, so you'll have to invert any gates. The voltage ranges of the modulation are also not the eurorack standard, so you'd need some scaling. Other than that it's 3U, there's nothing "eurorack" about this thing.
Eternal Void Thanks for explaining. Why would you need to scale? Couldn't you just input the cv and let the difference between the standards act as a sort of random? If you compared the a sine lfo from both synths is it just the signal strength that is different or would the shapes of the sine wave be affected by the different standards?
@@TimeScribe You'd need to attenuate, because it'd clip otherwise. A 10v peak-to-peak sine wave into the 5v p-p inputs would make it almost a square wave. It's a shame Behringer didn't make a slight adjustment so it could be properly eurorack compatible, but I guess that's what the Neutron is for, maybe?
@@TimeScribe The other way around is also a problem, as the triangle lfo is -2.5 to 2.5 V, and the square 0 to 5 V, so if you use that as modulation for eurorack stuff, you wouldn't get the full range. The external signal in is also 3Vpp max, meaning that a eurorack level signal would clip massively. I wouldn't be surprised if the VCA and sample and hold (which is track and hold btw) would also clip when using eurorack level signals. The only thing eurorack compatible is panel. I really don't understand how they justify marketing this as a eurorack synth. It really isn't.
Nope, Hz/V or whatever the MS-20 normally uses. Bit of a shame, but I bet they would have to make a lot of changes, which might have added to the price.
Just got mine today. Thought Filter 1 was broken until I found this video. So noisy! I wonder what the point of emulating this noise was, and also how do I get rid of it. Great vid. Thanks!
Fender and Gibson bank on re-issues of vintage guitars that everyone craves but few can afford and no ones thinks anything of it. Synth companies in general refuses to give customers what they have been asking for so Behringer is more than happy to provide classic remakes and in most cases with a few improvements. The RD-8 is a great example!
So, Filter 1 has that noise, but does it has as much noise as Korg's MINI? Because I found that quite overwelming. And youtube's lossy audio tends to filter away the highest frequencies of the white noise a bit.
Did you/anyone notice an increased amount of static noise when using filter 1 compared to filter 2? I realized within the first hour that the noise level is so distinct - wondering if it is just my unit?
Would you recommend this to a beginner who wants to learn about synthesis and as something with growth potential? Like the Model D but I'm seriously put off by the oscillators going out of tune. I kind of like the Pro-1 but this seems to have more potential and I like the Neutron but I'm not sure whether this might be better...?
For a beginner I’d definitely go with the Pro-1. It’s got all the basic functions well laid out and then when you want to go deeper the mod section can open all sorts of fun. I’d say you would graduate from the pro-1 to a MS20 in programming terms at least.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks so much. I will definitely take that on board. I have limited experience with a Roland Juno 6 but the layout never made a lot of sense to me. Watching you working the Pro-1 and a lot of the others, I’m picking things up pretty quickly. Initially, the position of the Modulation section threw me because it’s out of sequence compared with say, the K-2 or MS-10. Still you explain it well and I went back over a few bits I didn’t quite understand. Thanks again.
@@HazeAnderson Yeah, well I took his advice and got a Pro-1. It’s pretty good really but I’m still working out what some of the bits do and when to use them. I’m a very long way from, you know, Kieth Emerson being able to imagine a sound and knowing how to achieve it. I may never get there. The “workflow” is different from what it was on my sister’s Juno 6 and TBH, I probably understand the Model D workflow better. But the sounds this thing makes are amazing and the ability to use more than one wave concurrently out of one or both oscillators is pretty impressive.
I've got mine too, here is a little demo song made with the K-2, if you have 3 minutes... it's here : th-cam.com/video/Z6caLGda2xA/w-d-xo.html The only K-2 "problem" is that it is using the legacy Hz/V system not the Eurorack standard but fortunately there is a standad Midi input and and USB Midi port. And if you're using an analog sequencer like doepfer Dark Time or Doepfer A155 you can pitch it correctly. But you can't use a Eurorack quantizer of course.
I wonder if this is as noisy as the Korg MS20 Mini. I had the Korg and it was unusable for any sounds with the filter mostly closed. I ended up selling it
Hi, Just purchased this synth, powered up, plugged headphones in, no sound output? Apologies if i'm missing something obvious, but I've never had an analogue synth make no sound at all, could someone advise please? Thank you.
Hey Korg - make an MS-20 Mini module, same size as the K-2, with the same build quality as the K-2 (and keep including 10 nice yellow patch cables) - you'd have a winner with that.
Hey, I have mine on order. First non computer kit so wondering the best way to use my existing USB keyboard with this? Are there USB to midi cables I need to get? Using akai mpk 2
@@StarskyCarr You never listened to CJ Bolland? Definitely give his whole catalog a listen, and start with the oldest stuff from like 1990 or late 80s. I'm 28 but even I know CJ Bolland....his music had that oldschool Belgian techno sound.
Do the LOW CUT FREQ and HIGH CUT FREQ knobs are looser than the rest and feels less smooth on the touch? I returned one for that reason and the replacement K-2 also has the same knobs
@@StarskyCarrThanks for the response. That's what the store representative told me but I never experienced it with my other gear. Great content by the way! Keep it up :)
Mark Orendas No, because they are a private company they can make these synths for great prices and not have to worry about making profits for shareholders. Buy all their synths, those are your stocks in the company 😁
How would you think this compares to iMS-20 on iPad? I’ve been experimenting with making tracks in Gadget using only ms-20 for all sounds, and am quite impressed with the range it has. Quite a phenomenal synth. I’d love to see someone crazy enough to chain 16 together for monster 16 voice MS-20 ;P
If we're all being completely honest, it probably sounds much the same, when you record a synth, you instantly lose the analogue-ness of the sound. But nothing beats having a set of dedicated (real life) control knobs, not just some buttons on an iPad. Being able to change a patch so quickly and with real tactility adds a whole new world to making sounds. A K2 is probably cheaper than most iPads anyway!
@@lucasc5622 It really depends - most music fans won’t be able to tell a difference between analog and digital in a mix, especially with the type of consumer speakers/headphones they listen on. Nothing in the recording process makes the differences entirely vanish though - here’s an example: th-cam.com/video/PQM1_Hqy4ws/w-d-xo.html 3 identical mixes - 2 with minimoog VSTs (among best Model D emulations in business, Synapse The Legend and Arturia MiniV) and one with original Minimoog. I somewhat surprised myself, so quickly picking the one analog mix just with iPad speakers. You can tell there’s no aliasing, especially on the filter sweeps. Far more organic/infinite another even more clear example would be found on Deadmau5’s masterclass, where he compares digital vs analog - the silky smoothness of analog definitely comes across if you have an ear for it and you’re actively focusing on where the difference is most noticeable. (OSC/filter sweeps, etc) That said, VSTs have improved so much in the last 10-20 years and are getting better all the time; There’s nothing wrong with relying solely on them, even for mainstream production work. I’m definitely no analog snob :)
Does it have midi CC control of all perimeters? also, if so - anyone know if its possible to use CC to save snapshots of patches on your computer? (obviously those that don’t use alt patch cable routings)
@@aceofdub That makes sense and I believe you, but it wasn’t completely obvious to me at the time as I’m just learning about them, and just the weekend watched an early preview video where a Behringer spokesperson described CC modulation of perimeters for one of their analog clones. I’ve watched so many videos about behringer synths and drum machines lately that I can’t remember which ;) I’m sure he was likely mistaken but it’s a certainty it was brought up, as other youtubers took notice, posting the exact timestamp it was mentioned.
@@aceofdub Just solved my little mystery here. The MS-101 was the one wrongly announced by a Behringer rep to have full CC modulation .. commenters on the massive 101 gearslutz thread discussed Behringer’s misstep on that announcement video. I’m just a late comer, learning all this for the first time now :) www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1214280-behringer-ms-101-analogue-synthesizer-26.html Anyway, thanks for your earlier correction.
set K2 up with analog keys cv hzt/ and trig, doesn't work, tone keeps drifting and sustaining, also via midi does the same thing, any thoughts, thank you
I had MS-20M (limited desktop module edition) and it sounds very phat. This sounds too thin. The oscillators are different, sometimes it sounds more like a Moog than Korg. Can you make fat bass sound on this machine?
USB MIDI to my Mac - and using the MIDIpatchbay app to patch to a MOTU MIDIexpress - with a 5 pin cable out to the K2. So basically going via a computer. It can be used via Bluetooth, but takes batteries which can run out while I’m filming!
I tried to follow tour s&h patch. Is that normal that I ear the noise through the sample and hold? MG square out into clock, pink noise out into s&h in and s&h out into LP filter in.
You have to reduce the pulse to a minimum other wise you can hear the noise. Ie turn the modulation shape as clockwise as possible, the circuit will then only sample a tiny fraction of the noise.
Although a good little synth, the build quality on the Korg mini was rubbish and pretty cheap in comparison to how this looks. I've already got a MonoPoly and a Polysix and a Pro 600. Now do I hold out for the Pro One clone or get this?...........hmmmm
I agree that the MS20 mini feels cheaply built and doesn't exactly inspire confidence that things won't fall off in your hand. I'd be surprised though if the BehRinger clone was any better built.
@@cockur I didn't notice any noise on Filter 2 - and had it VERY loud in the studio... which generally means its OK! Haven't fully tested it but it seems to be noise free (or at least negligible). Filter 2 doesn't have Filter 1's balls though!
I trust Starsky! However behringer does give me strange trepidation 🤣 Is it ok to say it feels like a little example of Trump's battle with China's market monopoly thingy🤔 Am I totally off on that? Like what's up with $25 pedals!
@@StarskyCarr So it's a good thing? I used to have problems with their utility stuff dying. Do you think these things have improved? I think it's a fair question/concern. anyway thanks!
Danke,jetzt weiß ich was ich nicht kaufen sollte !Guter unaufregender Plastik Sound nicht mehr,muß man nicht haben !!! Knirsch,knarsch,quisch,pieps.....klingt wie alle neuen analogen Synthesizer modern,steriel,glatt,sauber! Keine Tiefe,kein organischer Swing dank smd Verlötung etc.
maik edens meinst Du das hat nur was mit den SMDs zu tun? Mein Vermona Monolancet ist der glatte Gegenbeweis, analoger gehts nicht, er hat im Vergleich mehr Cremigkeit, Organic als mein Boog D
This is an amazing little synth.
Looks like another good quality analogue repro from Behringer. You have to give 'em credit for attention to detail, it sounds great.
I love that behringer is doing this with all the classics!
Lmao at using Korgs midi controller to control a clone of their synth 😅 great video! It sounds good. Would’ve loved if Behringer added in an SQ-1 type sequencer.
😉
I hope Behringer will do a proper SQ10 clone instead :)
respect the synth code. get yo own ass an SQ-1 for like $100
3:20 Oscillators
6:27 Filters
8:56 Filter 1 Noise
9:52 Filter1 vs Filter 2
12:13 Envelopes
13:23 Patching a Sound (S&H)
14:43 External Signal Processor
15:30 LFOs/Modulation
18:00 Conclusion
19:40 Oscillators (geek mode)
:)
What about the mod wheel on the midi controller??
the resonance on that K-2 is sooooo good, great video as always Starsky laa
Behringer decided to recreate all vintage stuff)) Waiting for Roland Jupiter-8)
Or Linn Drum.
Just received mine yesterday, great fun, awesome sound. Its now my 3rd Behringer synth, also have Neutron and Model D and I love how different and usable they all are.
I have a Neutron, just how different is the K2?
Roy Naidoo a lot different, maybe not when it comes to oscilators (k2 ring is awesome) but filters are totaly different. I would say neutron is a more versetile synth, it even has overdrive and delay, but K2 has those dual filters that really give it different flavor.
@@TomislavRupic thanks for the info - I suppose both sets of oscillators are 3340s so the filters will be the difference
@@roynaidoo9601 the MS20 filter alone is a lot different :)
@@roynaidoo9601 The MS20 doesn't use 3340s: remork.blogspot.com/2011/11/korg-ms-20-modsschematics.html?m=1
Terry Jones in the "Life of Brian" movie at 11:22 - "He's a naughty boy...now go away !!!" Ha ha ha ...Monty Pythons are phenomenal !
Great demo as usual !
The MS 20 was my first synth 40 years ago. I lent it to somebody several years ago and never got it back I can't wait to get hold of one of these to add to my synth collection. I may even get 2 as I always wanted an MS50 to increase sound possibilities. It will fit in well with my Neutron and Model D. Plus Minilogue and Ultranova.
The S&H isn't just cool, it is frigid. That's my favourite option on this synth.
Shipping and handling?
@@jasont.9559 At least you didn''t say Sodomy and Hedonism. ;-))
@@jasont.9559 Sample & Hold
find the guy and steal the ms20 back. that is a legendary synth
Nice demo but I wish to God you had put the angle better so we could read the names on the knobs.
K2 for bass and mid-synth, neutron for arps, effects and blips and the boog for leads and synth tops! Can’t wait for mine to arrive.
hahaha, the boog gotta be the Behringer model D, right? Nice word to refer to it. I'm gonna use it (since I own one). Thanx ;)
Just want to chime in... if it's the same type of case as the model d, neutron, and the 104 eurorack case (it most certainly is) the side panels are wood, not plastic. You can take them off and look in the holes, feel the weight, smack them together to find out. I'm pretty sure it's the same wood used in the Deepmind synths too.
MS20 was my first synth. I lent it to someone and never got it back so I will be buying one of these soon.
Ouch...
Funny how you can't really trust many people to have enough morals not to steal your stuff. God always brings karma back around though.
@@corypalmer5495 He didn't steal it. I moved about a bit because of work and lost contact with him. He also had my Korg Delta.
@@williamgeorgefraser so he stole it lol and he stole your Korg Delta, and you're just like "oh he moves around". Yeah I would be moving around too if I was conning people out of stuff they spent their hard earned money on. He could have easily looked you up and tried to call you/email you. That's what I would do. That dude wasn't your friend.
@@corypalmer5495 I was moving around, living on boats, which meant that I didn't have much use for them at the time. One job led to me being absent for several years and I lost touch with him. It was my fault and I accept that. I will still be buying a K2.
Good, cant wait for comparison video!
I didn't want to ruin your 440 likes but I had to :D thanks a lot for this in depth video, now I have to decide between this and the Neutron
I can't chime in on this but I love my Neutron. I've used it on virtually every release since I got it. The gritty basses it can do are out of this world but it's also surprisingly great for pretty stuff as well!
@@MilesAwayOfficial according to the videos i saw, Neutron seems to be more versatile, right? And for my first hw synth i'd love that
@@UntrueSounds it's definitely a lot more versatile than I expected when I bought it. It's a great synth you can't go wrong
@@MilesAwayOfficial thanks a lot man!
always think I need other monos before the ms20 but the filter gets me every time.
some people have made just the filter available
That "ring" oscillator is super unique sounding
Could you do some more experiments w/ the external in? The unique feature from the MS-20 was that you could play or trigger it w/ almost anything: another synth, a guitar etc. Anything w/ an audio signal could play this synth. Could you try to trigger the filter and envelope generator 2 w/ external gear (i.e. somewhat like a wah-wah pedal, which is nothing but a filter)?
I might add this to the comparison I've got planned. It's always a bit hit on mis on the MS20 - so wouldn't want folks to think it was any synth in particular doing it badly.
This box sounds SOOOOOooo good!
wow estoy por comprarme uno K2 soy fan del MS20 y parece ser un excelente clon MUY BUEN VIDEO COLEGA SALUDOS...
Would you patch between the K-2 and any Eurorack module to show if the patchbay is compatible? I realize the pitch is using a different standard but what about the other functions? Thanks.
It's s-trig, so you'll have to invert any gates. The voltage ranges of the modulation are also not the eurorack standard, so you'd need some scaling. Other than that it's 3U, there's nothing "eurorack" about this thing.
Eternal Void Thanks for explaining. Why would you need to scale? Couldn't you just input the cv and let the difference between the standards act as a sort of random? If you compared the a sine lfo from both synths is it just the signal strength that is different or would the shapes of the sine wave be affected by the different standards?
@@TimeScribe You'd need to attenuate, because it'd clip otherwise. A 10v peak-to-peak sine wave into the 5v p-p inputs would make it almost a square wave. It's a shame Behringer didn't make a slight adjustment so it could be properly eurorack compatible, but I guess that's what the Neutron is for, maybe?
@@TimeScribe The other way around is also a problem, as the triangle lfo is -2.5 to 2.5 V, and the square 0 to 5 V, so if you use that as modulation for eurorack stuff, you wouldn't get the full range. The external signal in is also 3Vpp max, meaning that a eurorack level signal would clip massively. I wouldn't be surprised if the VCA and sample and hold (which is track and hold btw) would also clip when using eurorack level signals.
The only thing eurorack compatible is panel. I really don't understand how they justify marketing this as a eurorack synth. It really isn't.
This information is super helpful. I couldn't get my head around how the voltage would get interpreted across the machines.
Thank you for the great and informative review. So are you keeping both the K2 and the MS20-mini?
the saint of synths, thanks
After so long, I think I'll make this the first synth I purchase. It seems to have so much versatility. :D
Cool, so the sustain on my MS20 isn't actually broken in that case. So is this thing V/Oct if eurorack compatible?
Nope, Hz/V or whatever the MS-20 normally uses. Bit of a shame, but I bet they would have to make a lot of changes, which might have added to the price.
Pls update with K-2 MK2 new features
What are you using to generate the plots during the filters section?
It’s Logic’s EQ
@@StarskyCarr cheers! Loving these vids
Right around 11:30 I was thinking 'enough with the talking.. play me some Daft Punk' and there you go lol
Haha... heck this one out where I get it pretty much spot on using the Korg.
th-cam.com/video/cjzV4OJOCRE/w-d-xo.html
@@StarskyCarr NIce haha :D Such a classic sound
Lfo doesn't go nearly fast enough at max speed :(
I’ll put it through it’s paces in a comparison with the MS20 Mini.
Can the esp process CV? Could you send the lfo through it to boost its speed?
@@ElectronicazMusic No, it has an amp, LP, HP, frequency to CV converter, envelope follower and trigger. There's nothing that could speed up the LFO.
@19:52 Filter 2 is inverted, compared to Filter 1 - you can see it in the slope of the saw tooth.
Just got mine today. Thought Filter 1 was broken until I found this video. So noisy! I wonder what the point of emulating this noise was, and also how do I get rid of it. Great vid. Thanks!
thank you, i appreciate it
Fender and Gibson bank on re-issues of vintage guitars that everyone craves but few can afford and no ones thinks anything of it. Synth companies in general refuses to give customers what they have been asking for so Behringer is more than happy to provide classic remakes and in most cases with a few improvements. The RD-8 is a great example!
I'd guess that the ribbon cable is for installing the K-2 into a Eurorack rack and power supply like they've done with the Neutron and Model D.
So, Filter 1 has that noise, but does it has as much noise as Korg's MINI? Because I found that quite overwelming. And youtube's lossy audio tends to filter away the highest frequencies of the white noise a bit.
Did you/anyone notice an increased amount of static noise when using filter 1 compared to filter 2? I realized within the first hour that the noise level is so distinct - wondering if it is just my unit?
This is an issue with the original ms20 and the reissue/mini as well. That's a proof of how the k2 is faithful to the original circuitry...
gunther iscariot thanks a lot! :)
Hi very great sound K2 nice friend
Would you recommend this to a beginner who wants to learn about synthesis and as something with growth potential? Like the Model D but I'm seriously put off by the oscillators going out of tune. I kind of like the Pro-1 but this seems to have more potential and I like the Neutron but I'm not sure whether this might be better...?
For a beginner I’d definitely go with the Pro-1. It’s got all the basic functions well laid out and then when you want to go deeper the mod section can open all sorts of fun. I’d say you would graduate from the pro-1 to a MS20 in programming terms at least.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks so much. I will definitely take that on board. I have limited experience with a Roland Juno 6 but the layout never made a lot of sense to me. Watching you working the Pro-1 and a lot of the others, I’m picking things up pretty quickly. Initially, the position of the Modulation section threw me because it’s out of sequence compared with say, the K-2 or MS-10. Still you explain it well and I went back over a few bits I didn’t quite understand. Thanks again.
@@thethirdman225 Pro-1, Model D, CAT, or even the Neutron is easier to learn than the K-2 😅
@@HazeAnderson Yeah, well I took his advice and got a Pro-1. It’s pretty good really but I’m still working out what some of the bits do and when to use them. I’m a very long way from, you know, Kieth Emerson being able to imagine a sound and knowing how to achieve it. I may never get there. The “workflow” is different from what it was on my sister’s Juno 6 and TBH, I probably understand the Model D workflow better. But the sounds this thing makes are amazing and the ability to use more than one wave concurrently out of one or both oscillators is pretty impressive.
A big thanks 4 this unb. !
I've got mine too, here is a little demo song made with the K-2, if you have 3 minutes... it's here : th-cam.com/video/Z6caLGda2xA/w-d-xo.html
The only K-2 "problem" is that it is using the legacy Hz/V system not the Eurorack standard but fortunately there is a standad Midi input and and USB Midi port. And if you're using an analog sequencer like doepfer Dark Time or Doepfer A155 you can pitch it correctly. But you can't use a Eurorack quantizer of course.
I wonder if this is as noisy as the Korg MS20 Mini. I had the Korg and it was unusable for any sounds with the filter mostly closed. I ended up selling it
They really should have made the CV voltsper octave
Would have been a killer as an option :-)
Hi, Just purchased this synth, powered up, plugged headphones in, no sound output? Apologies if i'm missing something obvious, but I've never had an analogue synth make no sound at all, could someone advise please? Thank you.
u need a midi controller. but im sure u already know it
Thanks again. Mine is now in the mail. >_
Sounds fine but what a daft place to put the MIDI input socket.
there is one on the back also.
The USB socket is at the back for MIdI as well - I used the 5 pin at the front for convenience. I use the USB in a forthcoming comparison video.
@@StarskyCarr I've no use for USB but a proper MIDI socket on the back sounds good. CHeers.
@@WilyEPeyote The MIDI on the back is only a through - the only MIDI in is the one on the front.
@@StarskyCarr So right next to the cutoff knob? Duh!
hi what scope are you using for the waveforms ?
Nice thank you!
So what is that ribbon/printer cable for? No mention of it in the manual.
its a euro rack power cable.. you can put this into a euro rack case - in which case you need to power it with that.
That "printer-cable" is a Eurorack cable (ffs)
Though i heard its not compatible with eurorack voltages?
Power bus cable if you want to get to serious about this haha but yes I'm shocked he didn't know that?
@@daniyalahmed97 It's not compatible with the eurorack control voltage standard (v/oct). That's different to power supply voltage.
How did you make the Oscilloscope?
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
Does the synth comes with patch cables?
Yes, but only 2 of them.
Hey Korg - make an MS-20 Mini module, same size as the K-2, with the same build quality as the K-2 (and keep including 10 nice yellow patch cables) - you'd have a winner with that.
I’ve compared the two on another video 😀
@@StarskyCarr what two?
@@malthus101 the K2 and the MS20 Mini - the 2 you mentioned.
@@StarskyCarr I was just saying Korg should remake the MS-20 "like" the K2 (I just think the Korg looks cooler that's all) 😎
@@malthus101 aaah.. gotcha.
Hey, I have mine on order. First non computer kit so wondering the best way to use my existing USB keyboard with this? Are there USB to midi cables I need to get? Using akai mpk 2
It has a USB MIDI connector (although I’m using the 5 pin for convenience). So just a standard USB cable should suffice.
You can't use the USB on the back to connect to???
yes
super cool
Reminds me of CJ Bolland- Horsepower
I'll take a listen, cheers.
@@StarskyCarr You never listened to CJ Bolland? Definitely give his whole catalog a listen, and start with the oldest stuff from like 1990 or late 80s. I'm 28 but even I know CJ Bolland....his music had that oldschool Belgian techno sound.
@@fortheloveofnoise of course I have 😂but had to go and listen to Horsepower. Cnut remember the names of every track from everyone unfortunately.
Do the LOW CUT FREQ and HIGH CUT FREQ knobs are looser than the rest and feels less smooth on the touch? I returned one for that reason and the replacement K-2 also has the same knobs
I’ve not got it any more (as I’ve the Korg) but I don’t recall thinking that. I wonder if they’re different to the others as they’ll get more abuse?
@@StarskyCarrThanks for the response. That's what the store representative told me but I never experienced it with my other gear. Great content by the way! Keep it up :)
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Mark Orendas No, because they are a private company they can make these synths for great prices and not have to worry about making profits for shareholders. Buy all their synths, those are your stocks in the company 😁
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How would you think this compares to iMS-20 on iPad? I’ve been experimenting with making tracks in Gadget using only ms-20 for all sounds, and am quite impressed with the range it has. Quite a phenomenal synth. I’d love to see someone crazy enough to chain 16 together for monster 16 voice MS-20 ;P
If we're all being completely honest, it probably sounds much the same, when you record a synth, you instantly lose the analogue-ness of the sound. But nothing beats having a set of dedicated (real life) control knobs, not just some buttons on an iPad. Being able to change a patch so quickly and with real tactility adds a whole new world to making sounds. A K2 is probably cheaper than most iPads anyway!
@@lucasc5622 It really depends - most music fans won’t be able to tell a difference between analog and digital in a mix, especially with the type of consumer speakers/headphones they listen on.
Nothing in the recording process makes the differences entirely vanish though - here’s an example:
th-cam.com/video/PQM1_Hqy4ws/w-d-xo.html
3 identical mixes - 2 with minimoog VSTs (among best Model D emulations in business, Synapse The Legend and Arturia MiniV) and one with original Minimoog. I somewhat surprised myself, so quickly picking the one analog mix just with iPad speakers. You can tell there’s no aliasing, especially on the filter sweeps. Far more organic/infinite
another even more clear example would be found on Deadmau5’s masterclass, where he compares digital vs analog - the silky smoothness of analog definitely comes across if you have an ear for it and you’re actively focusing on where the difference is most noticeable. (OSC/filter sweeps, etc)
That said, VSTs have improved so much in the last 10-20 years and are getting better all the time; There’s nothing wrong with relying solely on them, even for mainstream production work. I’m definitely no analog snob :)
Does it have midi CC control of all perimeters? also, if so - anyone know if its possible to use CC to save snapshots of patches on your computer? (obviously those that don’t use alt patch cable routings)
@@aceofdub That makes sense and I believe you, but it wasn’t completely obvious to me at the time as I’m just learning about them, and just the weekend watched an early preview video where a Behringer spokesperson described CC modulation of perimeters for one of their analog clones. I’ve watched so many videos about behringer synths and drum machines lately that I can’t remember which ;)
I’m sure he was likely mistaken but it’s a certainty it was brought up, as other youtubers took notice, posting the exact timestamp it was mentioned.
@@aceofdub Just solved my little mystery here. The MS-101 was the one wrongly announced by a Behringer rep to have full CC modulation
.. commenters on the massive 101 gearslutz thread discussed Behringer’s misstep on that announcement video. I’m just a late comer, learning all this for the first time now :)
www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1214280-behringer-ms-101-analogue-synthesizer-26.html
Anyway, thanks for your earlier correction.
set K2 up with analog keys cv hzt/ and trig, doesn't work, tone keeps drifting and sustaining, also via midi does the same thing, any thoughts, thank you
No idea sorry, except the MS20 doesn’t use the same volts per octave as most things. It uses a different scale.
Thanks for your reply, analog keys has hzt/v but doens't work properly with K2
What do you use to visualize the waveforms?
Meldaproductions freeware
I had MS-20M (limited desktop module edition) and it sounds very phat. This sounds too thin. The oscillators are different, sometimes it sounds more like a Moog than Korg. Can you make fat bass sound on this machine?
Do you have giant hands?
Nah, these things are tiny ;)
Great video👍🏻 was just wondering how you connected that microkey to the synth?
Probably Usb to midi box (cost around £50) in to midi in on k2
USB MIDI to my Mac - and using the MIDIpatchbay app to patch to a MOTU MIDIexpress - with a 5 pin cable out to the K2. So basically going via a computer. It can be used via Bluetooth, but takes batteries which can run out while I’m filming!
@@waynebillingham7098 4 years later but simple...MIDI out to MIDI in.
Gizza job, Starsky, go on gizza...!
It is a nice thingy altough I prefer my 1979 MS20....Got them both...
Lucky thing ;)
Thank youuuuu
Looks VERY interesting.
But! can you use it for GENERATIVE patches?
I mean, WITHOUT any external gear?
Or should I prefer a NEUTRON, for that?
I’ve not used the neutron. But take a look at this - it’s a self generating patch
th-cam.com/video/ubFhZ2dhEns/w-d-xo.html
No UK Power?
No, neither does the RD8 - I bit frustrating tbh having to keep on buying adaptors - which never seem quite mechanically stable enough!
When mine arrived yesterday they have a UK adapter!!! Same as the Behringer Odyssey- I,wonder why yours didn’t?
You'll drop Mini's sales lately (19:00) :D
Clearly the K2 is far from ridiculous, the MS20 character is there, at least it's sufficient to give up with buying a vintage or reissued MS20
Is the lettering gold or yellow?
Yellow
@@StarskyCarr thanks!
6:55 - is there stepping in the filter control?
No that's just the filter picking out various harmonics
But there's a ratcheting sound to it
he just stated there wasnt lol
@@nifela 100 % not. If it were a digital preset synth then maybe yes, there is a chance you would hear digital stepping.
Okay, I think what gave me the impression are the harmonics, it's smoother and clearer around 8 minutes. My fault! :)
What's that in the bottom of the box at :25? Looks like something out of a manga...
I tried to follow tour s&h patch. Is that normal that I ear the noise through the sample and hold? MG square out into clock, pink noise out into s&h in and s&h out into LP filter in.
You have to reduce the pulse to a minimum other wise you can hear the noise. Ie turn the modulation shape as clockwise as possible, the circuit will then only sample a tiny fraction of the noise.
@@StarskyCarr thank you, I'll try this way. 👍 (it is normal to ear the noise if the impulsion is to wide, it's not a problem of the s&h module)
Yes it’s completely normal
and a song with it
Oh that boi is thicc
Although a good little synth, the build quality on the Korg mini was rubbish and pretty cheap in comparison to how this looks. I've already got a MonoPoly and a Polysix and a Pro 600. Now do I hold out for the Pro One clone or get this?...........hmmmm
Maybe wait until I do a pro1 vs Pro-one comparison? ;)
@@StarskyCarr Heh, that would make sense. I've also just got the RD8 and working my way round that. Behringer are on fire at the moment.
I agree that the MS20 mini feels cheaply built and doesn't exactly inspire confidence that things won't fall off in your hand. I'd be surprised though if the BehRinger clone was any better built.
I can't watch this at the moment but has it got the same noisy output as the mini? I hope not
Filter 1 does, Filter 2 doesn't.
@@StarskyCarr Cool. Doesn't as in doesn't at all or just does less? So the mini must use Filter 1
@@cockur I didn't notice any noise on Filter 2 - and had it VERY loud in the studio... which generally means its OK! Haven't fully tested it but it seems to be noise free (or at least negligible). Filter 2 doesn't have Filter 1's balls though!
@@StarskyCarr Thanks! Will watch later when I get a chance.
Noise is a good thing.
The midi in could be placed better.
ironic that you use a Korg controller
Today IS my birthday
Printer cable..LOL..
Showing my age!
I trust Starsky! However behringer does give me strange trepidation 🤣
Is it ok to say it feels like a little example of Trump's battle with China's market monopoly thingy🤔
Am I totally off on that? Like what's up with $25 pedals!
Economies of scale and owning your own manufacturing plant in China cutting out a few middle men.
@@StarskyCarr So it's a good thing? I used to have problems with their utility stuff dying. Do you think these things have improved? I think it's a fair question/concern. anyway thanks!
@@ME-ru4hv I think cheap synths done well can only be a good thing.
just got mine and i feel the overall volume output substantially lower than rest of my synths
Just checked it against the Korg MS20 Mini - just 2dB lower.
@@StarskyCarr Have you figured a way to KB reset the Lfo?
@@ekoboydj No - I don't think it's possible There's no reset patch point, I think the LFOs are free running.
@@StarskyCarr perhaps there was a workaround with the clock patchpoint and the EG. but indeed dont think its doable
i may have found something. patch kbd cvout to clock, vca out to vco Freq, vca in to mod gen and turn full clockwise the release time of EG1
Nice Vst
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not
@@mr.irrelevant3588 , yes
@@rainbowdash1203 yes what?
Trying way to hard
PWM....
No - I was planning on mentioning that - but stuck to what it can do.
No PWM? Still V/hz? No thanks, I'd rather have a vintage modified one still.
Danke,jetzt weiß ich was ich nicht kaufen sollte !Guter unaufregender Plastik Sound nicht mehr,muß man nicht haben !!! Knirsch,knarsch,quisch,pieps.....klingt wie alle neuen analogen Synthesizer modern,steriel,glatt,sauber! Keine Tiefe,kein organischer Swing dank smd Verlötung etc.
maik edens meinst Du das hat nur was mit den SMDs zu tun? Mein Vermona Monolancet ist der glatte Gegenbeweis, analoger gehts nicht, er hat im Vergleich mehr Cremigkeit, Organic als mein Boog D
Behringer is just a copy cat.
More horrible than a Boris. Even crapper than a Donald. Booby prize in a raffle, it should have a health warning across the keys.
I’d only it had keys ;)
Sounds terrible - typical Behringer crap!