Martins Licis' Last Video Was Kinda Sus
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ย. 2024
- I'm using BaseStrengthAI to prepare for World's.... join me!
www.BaseStreng...
Proudly sponsored by Barbell Apparel! Get BRMLY merch at www.barbellapp...
IG: / bromarama
TikTok: / bromley047
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 87 วันนี้!! คู่เอก "ก้องชัย vs โชคปรีชา"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YN6e7HVnekw/mqdefault.jpg)
Martin knows better than to go into someone's house as a guest and start calling them frauds.
Specially Pakistan with their honor killings and shit
If you're a fraud you're a fraud lmao
@@User-b9q2z Mr. Autism over here, a regular Immanuel Kant. There's nuance here. I guarantee Martin knew that as soon as the video went up, experienced lifters would call bs and let the community know the Pakistan lifters are bunk.
“He’s picking up blades of grass with his sphincter.” Yes. Yes, he is. I think that’s for extra points.
I was in charge of keeping the stone series for the highland games and traveling around with them. Every year before the season, I reweigh and the drill into the stones and add molten metal to get the stones back to weight. The most I've seen a stone be under is 10 lbs but that was because someone chipped in when they dropped another stone on it. Anyways that stone ain't no 200kg!
liar
Cap
@@ahmarahmar8990 I guess I'm confused what you think I'm lying about? It's the Highland Games in central California not Scotland? I'm confused when people say cap about something that is so normal to me?
These games are old as your Highlands and the numbers are known. Father to son. They weigh the weights and lifting a said weight is a badge of honour. People have honour. I am more inclined to believe this weight is around 200kg than many of the Highland games.
@@harisabram4767 oh I get it you're dumb, sorry about that then
more like weights unknown
Holy lmao...
😂😂😂
why is this guy hating on them? These guys arent even that big ect ect this is natural farm boy strength. The guys hes compaing them too those giants in america are all on peds. Give me a break here.
@@reggiepathak9684 thats the point random skinny farmers cant lift the same weight as wsm
@@eutiger4789 i think they can with hard work and if this type of training is engrained in them for generations for sure they can.,
There was a wrestler in india because there was no pakistan at that time called the great gama. Legend has it hes the greatest grappler of all time and went 5000 matches without a loss and he challenged everyone in the world including all the american european wrestlers and beat them, like real grappling. He did it by doing straight thousands of hindu pushups and hindu squats.
One line of "yeah, these weights are probably bullshit but still heavy" would have resolved the whole thing.
There are lines in there that question the actual weight.
Yeah I dunno. The spirit of Strength Unknown is there, like any of the other episodes. I agree Martins could have at least tried to pick the 330 to see for himself. Just a brief comment to the camera that maybe it's not that heavy would've been okay. Don't need to say it to them.
Their stone lifting style is still fucking cool tho.
that show is so fking stupid, they literally don't show anything or explain, just a dumb ass vlog with 1 min of a random lift :)) and a voiceover like is the end of time
And their stone lifting style is cool, a bit different from western cultures. Even the Indians have their way of doing squats and push ups.
Alex, I think your wrong on the BLUE blocks. Prepare for math assuming they didnt put foam blocks in the concrete forms.
- 1 cubic foot of concrete is 130 lbs
- 2 cu ft = 280 lbs
- 3 cu ft = 420 lbs
Visual example in case you are trying to imagine Cubic Feet, an 8 cubic foot box dimensions are 2'x2'x2' = 8 cu ft
Let's assume the BLUE block is 16"x12"x24" = 2.67 cu ft
Using a concrete weight calculator 2.67 cu ft = 383.4 lbs
I double checked the concrete weight calculator by using the formula V = 4/3 πr3 on an 24" diameter Atlas Stone that should weigh 585 lbs and my math gives me around 593 lbs. So the caculator is accurate in my book. I would agrue that the movement is a parlor trick that requires tons of technique and not a ton of strength.
I've picked up several stones and we see what it takes to move a 410 lb stone from Kieliszkowski but in stone lifting the shape and texture of the stone is everything. That said I am calling bull on the weight of the natural stones.
The atlas stone lift is like the stone version of the snatch. Their atlas stones have grips cut out at the bottom which is why they move them so easily off the ground. No clue if the weight is honest but that hurts my wrist looking at it.
Let's say
@tylerpeterson1280 Good point. The blocks would have to have rebar in them to keep them together from repeated abuse. I mean that handle has to be connected to some kind of cage through the block.
You came?@tylerpeterson1280
the second I clicked on the video I just KNEW that Monty Python clip was gonna show up LOL
Oh shit wich one bro?
She turned me into a Newt.
That thing could weigh anything. Limestone, marble, granite or concrete? There’s no point stating any numbers unless you bring a proper scale.
Seeing how heavy it ‘feels’ is also useless and arbitrary. A 100 lb lawn mower feels heavy when you have to lift onto a truck in the morning.
Curious what lawnmower weighs 100lbs? Seems too heavy for a pushmower and too light for a riding mower. Never weighed either of them though.
@@stimpsonjcat26Added weight of the grass OP didn't clean out.
A 100 lbs lawn mower isn’t heavy any time of day.
That's their Pakistani culture of strongmen lifting, don't expect the same western standards onto them as if they're exactly like the westerners that do those lifts. At least they do it slightly differently, which in itself is interesting. And be careful of saying how heavy it feels, that can be a legitimate way for them to weigh how heavy it actually is. Not any one person there is the same, some can't lift, some barely lift, some can easily lift.
@@danielnelson3136 No it's not. How heavy something feels can have a lot to do with how awkward it is to grab a hold, how offset is its center of mass or how far away your center of mass is from its center of mass. That dude 100% isn't swinging 200kg.
The most nonsensical part about the cinder blocks weighing as much as they do is that you would be hard pressed to get that type of weight in that small of a form factor with iron let alone cement.
F**king hell, i have seen weights like these cinder blocks being weighed and lifted in the UK. Weights like 200kg, therefore when i hear the science or justification behind this video, i sigh and thinking, man how wrong is this. 😂
@@harisabram4767 The YT guy doing this video is for clicks and views. He's just projecting his own western standards onto another culture and how they do their own strongmen lift styles. Also yes absolutely the case concrete blocks like that weigh around 200kg and are used in UK competitions.
@@danielnelson3136 we got as much frauds here as you do so we need measured stuff not bs
Googling the measurements used in Pakistan, it shows that Martins has rounded up the units, causing a discrepancy of about 10% actual weight. The first unit is actually 37kg not 40, and the second 900g, not 1 kg. So the 3:20 stone would be something like 111+18kg (129kg) rather than 140kg.
some places it says 40 kg when googling it
It's fine as is. What do you expect from Martin's rounding up, in a Pakistani culture and region? Don't expect the exact same standards from the west onto them.
There is zero percent chance of that painted blue cement block weighing 400lbs.
In the words of Greg Doucet,
"Zeeeerooo....."
Yeah, 400 lbs at 1.44 grams / cubic centimeter means that block would need to be 4.5 cubic feet. It's maybe half of that.
@@magicjohnsins
Nah.
@@magicjohnsins I miss his old content. Not big on the new shit
I did some sanity checks with density and the blue block would have had to have been in the ballpark of solid aluminum (probably a more like 3.0- 3.3 g/cm^3 not the 2.7 of aluminum) and sorry but you're not convincing me that the even just the law of conversations of angular momentum, isn't throwing that string bean of a man around more. Look at the "bar path" 408 should be yanking him around.
@@matt1730 1.44 g/cm3 is the density of cement powder. The block is made of mortar or concrete, which have higher densities than that
I have dug up a couple of stones out of my lawn because they destroyed my mower. They range between 75kg and 176kg. The three biggest stones I have 117kg, 150kg and 176kg are quite a lot bigger than some seen here that are supposedly heavier. I would say many stones above 150kg are very hard to lift because of their size/shape for a normal sized human like the Pakistanis in the video.
I had the same reaction. Martins swears that the weights felt what he said they weighed but if that was true why is it Pakistani weightlifters are nobodies? If they can toss around weights so easily surely there would be at least one shining example in international competition.
Yeah, I've lifted heavy odd implements and outside of a classic barbell context when dealing with something like a stone it becomes a world of difference... that little guy tossing that "330lb" stone up like it was nothing... if that was indeed legit, dude could easily be setting world records with a little more food and a year or two of heavy training, but I somehow highly doubt that was the actual weight of the stone!
Because there’s more to it than just talent. Is it really that surprising that the governments who invest the most into certain sports end up doing exceptionally well in those sports?
@@MrYokyScape Which adds even more skepticism to these lifts. They're showing off world class levels of strength and power in spite of zero government investment. They're just random skinny men in a small local competition.
Not that I'm saying the implements weigh what they weigh, but there are plenty of strong people out there who are nobodies in strength sports because of plenty of reasons. 1. Most countries in the world have no exposure to strongman. 2. There is no money in strength sports outside of a few countries. 3. Cultural limitations are a thing. I have friends from Pakistan and India, and the societal pressures to go all in on academics and becoming a doctor/engineer etc. is very real.
India is very good at wrestling. But major problem here is that people have only started to be aware of bodybuilding, strongman and other kinds of discipline are unheard off here. @@Micheldied
I was also a bit skeptical regarding the cube type thing and the balls, since they look like they are made out of cement which has a way lower density than rock, and also it would be very easy to embed cavities inside of it during casting to make is even lighter. However though, at one point in the video they do use an electronic scale to weight one instrument, so maybe the weights are real, who knows.
Also, I too kind of find it irritating that he doesn't really seem to want to challenge the locals in these videos in general. Like he is a world's strongest man, so it would be very interesting to see him try to actually set records or win these guys in these competitions in general, but instead he just settles to give them credit for the thing they claim and is happy to just show what they do.
Anyhow, I still do like his videos a lot and appreciate him doing this type of original content which for sure takes a lot more effort than to just firm reaction videos and food challenges for example.
Here is why:
1. Pakistani culture which is different from the EU/UK/USA culture. They are not as obsessed with winning competitions, tournaments, trophies like you westerners always wanting to be top dog.
2. It's their way of strongmen lifting, and how they do their own lifts. Also they don't care to enter some western competition to prove anything to you lot.
3. They don't care about seeking approval from a bunch of westerners projecting their biases and expectations of how they should lift this way or that way.
4. Martin maybe has a cameraman and a few body guards, but Martin doesn't want to be the dogmatic skeptic debunk type. Martin is polite and knows he's in another country and culture where they do lifts their own way, so he doesn't want to appear rude or challenging people who lift different from him. In fact this attitude of Martin is a good attitude to have when you're a guest in their region and country, which Alexander Bromley missed the fine line there not to cross.
@@danielnelson3136This is a huge cope to justify lying.
Brom, just wanted to say i LOVE your content man. You make it so much more interesting and fun with the way you come at your subjects. Keep it up dude!!
Their hip mobility is another level with those atg squats
Excellent job navigating a touchy subject with respect and experience.
The ⚖️ is a good tool to measure weights as long as the base weight is known and calibrated.
The measure of weight they use 'mun' is a common unit of around 40kg that is used to measure agricultural products like bags of rice, wheat, animal feed, etc. Farmers would definitely know a mun and could easily check and compare if any of the implements was near the claim. Whether they actually care about the accuracy of the weight remains to be seen.
I agree the scale's a pretty good tool for measuring the weights of 2 objects. It's decent and doesn't need hyper complex western laboratory standards and academia hyper papers written, you just need a basic scale that can withstand the weights of 2 objects, that's as simple as it gets. IDK why he's so triggered by something so simple.😂
No way thlse weighs were accurate. But the sucking up sand sphincter squat stone pess was impressive. I😂😂
Weightlifters pull, not swing, for good reason. The momentum in the catch would go back in the swing. This makes the lifter fall backward. I can't imagine trying to shelve a heavy box on my shoulder that way, but it’s probably much harder to say the least.
A 50cm sphere in concrete calculates roughly to 150kg.
But I agree its very suspect when dealing with such non standard weights.
All of these lifts are as legit as Arthur Saxons 371 bent press..
Agreed.
Out of all traditional strength training, that I saw or tried (hojo undo/indian wrestler`s training/scottish stones/chinese hard qigong and wrestling training) this one looks the most suspicious.
Because this ain't the real thing. India is good at wrestling, wons many medals and it's not even popular in Pakistan.
Can’t fool Bromley.
I had the same reaction, but Martins did seem to struggle quite a bit with these lifts. Even if the numbers are inflated, that fact seems impressive. But yeah the goofy part is, the numbers don't need to be crazy for it to be cool. The show is about global lifting culture/traditions, not some, like 'there are rando skinny mountain men all over the world who are as strong as WSM winners!' (which is obviously not true).
He struggled with the towel technique, but that was after casually raw dogging the "440" stone to shoulder. He didn't really try anything else
Sometimes when I do something extremely easily after someone is struggling with it I put on a little bit of theatrical difficulty to save their feelings. This is not uncommon.
I visited a gutti lifting comp several decades ago... they wouldnt let me touch the stones...
10:02 takes like this are why you have a lot of credibility with me.
Yeah that build, I'm not even sure that guy could deadlift 420... that's sus af
Truth Telling is one of your super powers. After you've been around the block a few times, one notices the potential existence of "Alternate Hypothesis".
I agree.... im sorry but these weights with these relatively skinny guys seems a little off. There was a scene where one of the elders told the cinematographer not to touch the implement
The stones they are lifting (in Pakistan) look like sandstones, which can be about 2/3 the weight of an igneous rock, which the ones in strongman look like to me (basalt maybe).
Sandstone or limestone
Yup.
theres no way that lanky guy about my size swung 408 up to his shoulders like that.
i would bet money that block is closer to 208 LBS
4.20 in terms of stones got it's new meaning
I am from Pakistan and i am a weightlifter and yes these stones are fake.
That “286” lbs stone looks closer to a 175lbs stone size wise
It’s most likely a translation problem. If no one is confirming the weight of the stone. 200lb could be being translated as 200KG, for example 🤷♂️
@@martynodonnell but other countries don’t use lbs
@@martynodonnell that makes no sense.
@@martynodonnellthey don't use pounds. Only the inverse is possible.
@@Jmack7861 I'm not Pakistani so I can't say for sure in this case, but many other countries that typically use kilograms have other forms of measurement for the weight of random objects. Japan has a separate measurement they use for stones, for example.
There was a short section on how they weighed the weights, a goofy scale system with a wood tripod.
Regardless of the weights, that movement with the atlas stone clean thing was fucking dope
Strong or not, they are leading the way in workout clothing. That stuff is truly cool and comfortable, even in the hottest weather.
Only OG's know that the original title was "I'm sure 97% of those lifts are BS"
Broooo, that was title no. 2. Pssshhh
@@AlexanderBromley Goddamn it.. gotta be quicker next time🤣
Reminds me of Alan Thrall’s 1000 pound tyre flip 😂
I traine with stonelifter and a testament to their strength is that if a guy is able to hold 160kg boulder more usual than not he is able to deadlift 300kg plus. I wish u could come and experience first hand
These round Atlas stones are cast concrete. The bigger ones average around 140 kg , give or take 5kg.
I mean all martins had to do was bring a digital scale in his suitcase
Would have to be one hell of a digital scale though, the ones that'd fit in a suitcase would break under these things.
@@zerrodefexconsidering most these are way lighter than they claim, no they wouldnt
@@zerrodefex Not really. 450-500lb capacity digital scales are no bigger than a normal bathroom scale. My buddy bought one only a few months ago.
You can't do that. You can't go into another culture, in a place you don't know, people you don't know and say "hey, i dont believe you. i think you're full of shit" and pull a scale out. You just can't. Basic stuff
@@Tom-wk6pv why not? If I was lifting a weight I would have zero issue if someone asked to weigh it. Unless I was lying about it
Yeah I gave them the benefit of the doubt when I saw it, but I'm not going to lie some of those things looked real skeptical.
40kg is called a "Mann" in Pakistan. Its a standard weight for a bag of wheat since ancient times. So that was the minimum standard of strength. Being able to carry a 40kg bag of wheat. Thats why still they use multiples of 40kg for weighing.
The Big Book of Pakistani Strongmen is the second shortest book ever written, first being about Italian War Heroes.
had the same reaction, I love these videos he does, but when I saw the weight of some of these exercises, being a stone lifter myself who went both to basque country and scotland, I was like "yeah no, no ways it really weights that much". I don't get why they inflate it that much, but overall who cares, its not the point of the trip
We can actually get a rough estimate of the weight of the cement block shown at 5:12 by using the brick that it is leaned on
A common size for that kind of brick is 25x12x6 cm
Using those measurements and comparing it to the cement block
I estimated it's dimensions to be roughly 38x76x50 cm which would give us a volume of 144400 cm³
According to google, the average density of cement is 1.44 g/cm³
So multiplying 144400 by 1.44 gives us a weight of just under 208 kg or 457 lb assuming the block is fully dense, which it is not since it has a hole hollowed out for the handle
Someone who is smarter than me could maybe calculate how much volume the hole has as well but I don't think it is necessary as just these rough calculations prove that the claimed weight of 408 lbs is probably close to what the actual block weighs
Great points, Brom. Yep... Those weight labels are not accurate.
Martins values his life lol. He was in danger from the crowd when they LIKED him. I can't imagine pissing them off would be good for his health, especially being in the middle of nowhere with no avenue of escape.
Hahaha I was hoping someone would make the monty python reference with the balance
I watched that video and questioned the weights too. That one type of lift has the bottom of the upright supporting arm (elbow) resting on the hips. It's a hack for lifting, not a feat of accomplishment.
Excellent video brom! Some of the most thoughtful and honest in the space ! 👍
I think the easiest way to tell the swinging lift particularly is a bit of a stretch is, what would does it look like to move a 400lb kettlebell? those don't even exist, and even very strong kettlebell lifters rarely clean more than 200lbs like that, so to suggest that those are 400lbs is ridiculous.
kettlebell aint this and no one claims this , ur putting a strawmam argument😂😂😂 kettleballs need more balance holdin up , this block rests on shoulder ur funny
At 5:12 what I find curious is how far he throws the 400+ Pounds stone with one hand from his position
Some random observations:
1. There is absolutely zero chance that those objects weigh anything close to what is being claimed.
2. That being said they are probably a fair amount of weight to lift relative to the size of the guys lifting them.
3. These things fall under the category of "odd lifts" so there is a certain amount of technique involved and there's more to it than just trying to brute force the objects around.
This reminds me of the old strongmen who did acts using custom made equipment. While they may have looked like standard weights the balance points, barbell length, flexibility and handle thickness could be quite different. The strongmen could easily lift it because they did it as part of their act day in and day out but when they allowed audience members to try they rarely if ever could replicate the lifts from the act not due to a lack of strength but more due to unfamiliarity with the equipment and the lifts.
Also it would be a bit disrespectful to go to these people country and be openly dismissive and skeptical of what they were doing when it's obvious that these are things that they are proud of and are things that appear to be culturally important to them.
Exactly. Especially the last part.
No. It is not disrespectful or discourteous to not go along with a lie. That is brain rot level insane. It's WILDLY infantilizing to treat other cultures like basic standards (not being full of shit) are optional.... not lying is not a western value and only dipshit westerners will pull the "but thays their culture" line. Fucking destructive and insulting
@@Micheldiedexactly, except the last part*
@@AlexanderBromley I don't think it's about going along with the lie. I think that the OP means that you don't get up in their face, in their land, and question what they're doing, which is something culturally historic to them. The culture shouldn't be completely from skepticism or critique, but you don't do it right there when they're generously hosting you, or vilify them in your travel vlog/documentary about the place right after. It's not just about being respectful for the sake of it, you're also in a foreign land that can potentially become very dangerous for you. I know what parts of the world like Pakistan are like, and you don't want to go around pissing people off. It's about time and place. I just assume that's what the OP meant.
@@AlexanderBromley I didn't mean that someone should suspend belief and swoon over the fairy tale lifts and exaggerated weights so that these people can feel good about themselves. But coming right out and saying "You're full of S@#& those weight don't weigh what you claim." isn't the most diplomatic or polite way of addressing it.
There are times when it may well be necessary and appropriate to be that blunt and direct I'm just not sure that I would go there right out of the gate.
Of course if they want to argue and get belligerent about it and expect me to just nod my head in agreement that's a different story. That's the time to be direct and say "You're detached from reality if you really believe this."
Please make a reaction/analyze video reaction of Eddie hall workouts when he was in his strongman period /2014-2017/ . His program is posted online with the little details about every day, the order of the exercises,the purpose etc. and give us your thoughts .
When you lie about the weight, you are destroying any beauty it might have had.
Saying the true weight wouldn’t take away from it all but lying about it ruins the experience. For example a 20 pound Indian gada is amazing and hard to use, but lying about it and saying it was 50 pounds makes it bullshit.
Maybe the swing is 408 Newtons, aka 92 lbs
They looked like cast stone to me, so could be composite meaning regardless of the size do not have the same weight as natural stones.
if the pakistanis are this strong why not compete in us/uk etc to clean up easy prize money?
For the same reason that you see all the fake martial arts chi-blast ""masters"" not cleaning up in UFC
They dont want your dirty money😂
What I thought, that would be very big money for them
Not saying they're as strong as they claim to be, but the hurdle they would face would be financial and entering the country.
@@RandelOland901-ATT set up a crowd fund? gonna get a lot of attention from this coverage. and im sure fellow strongman would love some new competition imo.
Would they have physical adaptations from doing it their way for so long? How long have they been lifting things with that type of posture? It so strange looking. I would immediately have an injury trying it that way. I'll give them their flowers; I can't even begin to try squatting like that.
She turned him into a newt
Hmmmm, for the first half of the video i got the feeling this was going to be content that was kinda "beneath" you. Reactive, negative for the sake of it, hard to make quality content consistently so let's just fill a gap with this one. You really saved it at the end there, acknowledging the position martins is in and emphasizing you could be wrong about the weights.i think it's clear when watching strength unknown that the intention is to document strength culture that is niche (from a global perspective) and/or in danger of being lost; that has seemed explicit from the beginning of the show. Maybe some people got a rosy-eyed message from the show but ive always felt it's primarily documentation and entertainment. I've loved everything you've put out so far. What I think makes you "Bromley" is that you always add some nuance and you bring it back to basic principles and critical thinking. Best in the strength world for that rn i would argue. I will say this is the first video where I worried that this would be the future content of the channel (reaction drama). It wasn't that, but that's a worry i have. (I can bitch about things for the sake of it just fine on my own thank you, i don't desire to watch someone else do it). Just hit the peak phase on Bullmastiff and I'm loving/hating it, so thanks for that.
"What I think makes you 'Bromley' is that you always add some nuance and you bring it back to basic principles and critical thinking." Totally agree with this statement. It's why I've continued to follow his channel.
@@justinstuart9109 same
yea the stone clean at the end, its weights 200lbs at most
Good vid,
I was thinking the same a couple of years ago when I first saw those type of lifts
Looked a bit dodgy to me re the weights on the stones
The one guy in the video had said he's been doing this since he was seven and a lot of this does come down to skill, and strength mixed with that skill allows them to pick up bigger weights which is why some of the smallest males and females in weightlifting still snatch big weights
Yeah, but all of those weightlifters are built like tanks. They can be Gimli levels of short, but they will have thighs as thick as my torso.
@@davorzdralo8000 Pocket Hercules comes to mind
Yeah no
Don't discount the strength of Montana ranch hands. I live in Montana. The high school kids here often look like pro football players.
Bromley please review the Matt Disbrow 10week deathbench program!!
Since the series already emulates Parts Unknown, perhaps they should take another page from Anthony Bourdain: lay praise where it's earned, and criticise where it's deserved. Obviously, as you mentioned, you're not going to insult your hosts. But in the narration Martins could say something like "yeah I'm not sure those weights are what they say they are, but it's a cool practice anyhow."
Funny, I had a reference to that and chopped it out because the vibe isn't even kind of the same
@@AlexanderBromley Fair. Haha
On the topic of weird way to measure weight. I have a friend who only thinks of weight in the GYM by the plates he put on the bar. For example 185lbs is a plate and a 25.
Or 185 is considered "1.5" plates.
Do if he has a plate and a 25 on, he just doesn’t know it’s 185 kind of thing?
Im calling it, theyre 100% not lifting those numbers.
Could it be a simple case of mistranslation? I mean if no one is confirming the weight of the stones. Could it simply be that lbs is being translated to kgs. For example the claim is that the stone is 200kg, when infact it’s 200lb 🤷♂️
They're no dumb, they're liars
I love grumpy Bromley
Yea no way they weigh what they think it weighs
Who’s checking the weights?. Is it a possibility that it’s a translation problem. As in the weight, say 200lb is mistranslated as 200KG. It could be something as simple as this.
Its simple. They did the math using lbs instead of kgs. Like many i enjoy Martins videos. But I do take them for what they are, entertainment.
No one that small can pick 408 up with a tiny handle like that and swing it to their shoulder
I knew i wasn't the only one thanking gtfoh is that one hand balance lift stone 100kg, I would be impressed if it was 60kg or 65kg.
If you were to train these specific movements for years, you'd probably master the strength and technique too. Yes the numbers do sound high, but I doubt they're lying about the weight tbh.
Very interesting, thanks Bromley
I can see the inaccuracy of the weight of the object being a double-edged sword. They may weigh less than what people claim, but that means they may also weigh more, in some cases. Either way, out of all the "eras" of resistance training, I think videos like these highlight the interesting aspects of the "prehistoric Era", the methods that evolved from a country's unique grappling arts to turn them into tanks (look at the Kushti wrestlers from India, for example).
Indian here, the "kushti" guys would get ragdolled by the Iranians or Azerbaijani or Georgians or Dagestanis. Having a history of wrestling and having a modern competitive system are two different things. Think of Sudanese wrestling or Turkish oil wrestling or the Greek Pankration guys. Lots of history but not enough modern competition. There is real world data to support this in guys like Bajrang Punia, quality freestyle wrestler from India who started out with kushti.
P.S. Catch wrestling is an off-shoot of kushti and is regarded as equally effective. Trying to twist someone's fingers might technically "work" but it is not effective wrestling technique in competition.
Ah yes... Catch wrestling is all about finger twisting.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 lmao here come the salty catch wrestlers. Yep it is gimmicky moves that have not proved themselves in competition. Freestyle and bjj are still levels better. Catch sucks. Deal with it.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 Your whole entire reply was just about the post script? Literally just came from a Craig Jones interview about how grapplers are weird.
@@utkarsh2746 "Proved itself in competition" are you not aware of the concept of a ruleset? If CaCC moves were allowed CaCC would obviously win. Also, not derived from kushti at all.
Doesn't matter if you're right or not, it's their land, and it's how they practice. Skeptic or not, that's how they do things over in Pakistan as more traditional strong men. Yes pretty odd for those outside their culture, but that's that. Don't bring in academia and laboratory level objectives from western culture onto those people anymore than you have to. Regardless of exact weight of stone, if you can lift it, you can lift it. Oh, and if you do go there, keep that standard of skepticism debunking the modern online western world is fond of.
How little you must think of other cultures that they don't want or value honesty
@@AlexanderBromley There's no culture that has a monopoly on honesty, and each culture literally has their consensus reality, and what objective standards they use to determine for themselves. Sorry but epistemically, metaphysics, western standards aren't as universal as you'd like to think.
He just said in the video that whites do the same when it comes to lifting weights it is not exact so he knows that this happens in a lot of places not just Pakistan or India
@@jawwad1189 There's more to it than that.
@@danielnelson3136 what do you mean?
The weights are way off. Pakistanis and Indians genuinely believe the great gama picked up a 500kg stone and walked around with it. The guy was not that big and you can see photos of the stone online and there's no way its even close to 500kg
Ego attached to bullshit history and culture. They also believe Alexander lost to King Porus and he was 7ft tall.
Sorry, but the guy called the great Gamma, his strength and endurance is IMO real. Known to do 700 Hindu squats, and old style Indian wrestling, he out wrestled some of the best in his time, even for how short he was. As ridiculous as lifting 500kg is, it's possible to do. Why? Because people like these existed:
1. Alexander Zass.
2. Bruce Lee.
3. Charles Atlas.
4. Ray 'boom boom' Mancini.
5. Rocky Marciano.
6. Samson.
7. John Holtum.
8. Siegmund Breitbart.
Keep in mind some of these guys had freakish levels of strength, relative to their smaller sizes. It's possible, as unbelievable as it is.
@@danielnelson3136 1) 501kg is the world record deadlift. It is extremely unlikely somebody would pick a stone of that size.
2) Samson isn't real.
3) Some of these people were strong, some of the people you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with strength
4) 700 Hindu squats isn't a high number. Indian wrestlers were doing similar numbers pretty frequently
@@user-he4ef9br7z
1. Yes it's extremely unlikely but not impossible. You're making the same mistakes boomers make assuming a limit, until someone breaks that limit.
2. Samson is a real person that existed.
3. All of those people I listed were strong as hell. Don't sleep on old school strongmen and circus strongmen. I don' see Eddie Bravo driving a nail into a board that easily, or breaking chains.
4. 700 is a high number for average folks, and 700 every day. Can you do 700 everyday? Yeah it's not that easy and Gamma still pulls it off.
@@danielnelson3136 It is literally impossible. That would make him multitudes stronger than the world's strongest men.
Which is more likely, Indians fabricating history to indulge in a sense of pride (which they do all the time) or, one man being magnitudes stronger than everyone that ever existed?
No. Not all the people you mentioned were strong. You are confusing fighting skill and movement with raw strength.
Circus acts were very often faked. Who tf is Eddie bravo?
I'm no scientist...but that stone doesn't even look like 200kg
The only way to know for sure would be air dropping healthy mateusz there and giving him some decent money for every successful lift
I bet you it would be the show of a lifetime
The weights look like they weigh around half of what they say it is ngl and I'm a pakistani living in the Uk
People talk about stone size and weight, which you can't know unless you actually weight the stones, because different mineral composites have very different weights. People talking about those guys being small, there's guys way smaller than WSM athletes doing very specific lifts at very impressive weights that are far more correctly documented. The easiest way to tell that those implements don't weigh what they say is how they hit the sand on the ground.
Absolutely agree with that last take. You don't go question someone who nicely invited you into their own house, but that doesn't mean you should have no suspicions. Strength Unknown is probably the best strength-related series out there. I've been going to Japan all my life, and for the first time this year I'll go lift some stones which I never would have known about if it weren't for Martins.
pah jeets lying!? NO WAY! what would the great Khan Baba do to you if he saw this.
there's a reason why your physician's office still uses balance scales.
to suggest those balance scales are the same as the ones used by physicians is like saying a 20 year old toyota corolla has the same horse power as a lambo cz they are both cars
My physician also famously uses random bricks and metal bits of junk as counterweight for his scale. Apparently I weigh 800 lbs. 🙃
Hate to seem sour, but the weights just dont appear to move as they should. I have a 152kg atlas stone made to the gram by Atlas endurance, who make stones for Giants Live, and there is just no way you could have that sitting on one wrist throwing it around. I agree that the belief in these weights/lifts stems from not wanting to offend cultures and also to maintain some level of mysticism around these guys as superhuman. It is akin to the idea that Bruce Lee was one of the greatest fighters ever and could destroy modern MMA practitioners due to the mystique around his culture and kung fu abilities.
Yeah the numbers are utter bollocks, but well done them for heaving rocks for fun!!
just hit a max deadlift of 405 last month at around 175 lbs, no way that dude is swinging it up onto his chest, sorry.
That same dude deadlifts 230 to 250 kg watch his channel PehlwanJunaid jatt.
Im pakistani every village has a stone that dudes love picking up for competition. I never saw it but everyone always spoke of so and so who lifted so and so kg but not sure about the validity of it.
I saw this and my gut was that it was crap
Yeah, those stones just look too... bouncy? for what they say they weigh.
We do have crap in our gut.
@@theavglifter hilarious
@@eversor10 Not when it's gaseous
Is it an African or European Pakistani?
Thanks for putting that movie in my head again.
th-cam.com/video/-_0NWI3F2d4/w-d-xo.html They're so strong, even an old guy with noodle arms can clean and push press a 200kg stone
Being from India, I would say there is no strength sports specific thing here. Instead, strenght training traditions are done by Kusti, or Indian Wrestling. They are utilising wrestling moves to move those weights, which is why there is so much emphasis on hip movements. I would not comment on the legitimacy of those weights, Pakisthan is not known from integrity anyway.
Why didn’t talk about them using a digital scale..
Yeah, the weights are bullshit, but they are "heavy". I've seen a half-dozen different types of stone lifting in South Asia, and the guys that "catch" the stone in the deep squat are the strongest of the different styles. They have one forearm that's so much bigger than the other they look mal-formed. There are some huge dudes in the "shield" style too.