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Fighting in Armour - Half-swording and Historical Techniques
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2015
- With the development of full plate armour fighting against a knight became more and more difficult. Slashes and cuts became obsolete and the only possibility was piercing, hence Half-swording.
In this video we practice several techniques from Gladiatoria manuscripts.
Gladiatoria (MS German Quarto 16) is a German fencing manual probably created between 1435 and 1440.
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For people thinking this is too slow, remember that these are actual techniques for wounding and killing. Done at full force they can be lethal even while in full harness and using a dull blade. The sword in half sword is frequently used as a grappling lever and can magnify the force sufficiently to break bones or the spine. This is a particular problem in harness because it's so difficult to see and feel what's happening. The safer way to fight in armor is to do what they do in battle of nations and just bang on each other's plates for a few minutes. But it's not an effective way to kill your opponent. The methods shown in the treatises are for killing, and must always be approached with great caution.
***** Very well said. As a matter of fact even if we did it slowly and paying attention my friend still got a light wound in the left arm probably while doing one of the techniques the blade slided gently through his arm and still cut him lightly (dull blade + gentle = cut xD) and yes you could easily dislocate a shoulder with these, very effective techniques
Doctor Derpington Sounds like the top 7 reasons why wearing armour is worse post, which he did a video. If you havent checked it out, its the "scientists said what?" video that talks about that a little.
Also. they're demonstrating (Potentially lethal, or crippling) techniques for the audience. It's not "Realistic" to view this side-on, but the camera is positioned there, as the illustrator was in the treateses, so you can see what the hell is going on. If this (Grappling) was done in real time, from "Realistic" angles, through the vision slit in a sallet, you'd get even more comments asking what the hell is going on? "Well, actually," this is for education. Not "Realism."
Well that's one way to kick your own ass😂. Awesome demo
How'd you get this Kingdom Come: Deliverance gameplay footage?
Random guy passes by *are you making the new season of game of thrones here?*
If a Knight has Red Cross with white clothing does that mean he is a Templar knight
He's no Templar, he has no Templar coat of arms, which likely means he's just a crusader.
This is ten times better than the GoT ending
we all know how that ended. lol I wish
Se as batalhas de espada de game of thrones tivessem sido assim seria incrível
This is the Gladiatoria Treatise. Why didn't you reference the pommel throw??!!
your channel deserves more recognition. Keep up the good work :)
+Lauri Uuniemi Thank you so much Lauri, you are the man :D
11th century armor vs. 15th century armor? Whut? ^^ (Thanks for teaching me about that topic btw ^^)
+DonWoschto With the weapons they have (general purpose swords without armour-piercing tips designed to pass through mail) it wouldn't make that much difference. If Metatron was using some of the anti-armour weapons from the 15th century (such as a poleaxe) then there would be *quite* a difference :P
+MisdirectedSasha Why wouldn't it make much of a difference wearing a plate or a mail? A thrust from a sword could probably slice through the mail but not the plate. Or am I missing something here? Edit: How do you know the swords' points wouldn't go through a mail?
+DonWoschto not to mention the way better protection against slashs
sweet lord, that armor
From a serious historical standpoint it pains me but on the other hand actually accurate armor costs a bit more than a used car so I understand
Great video! I really liked how you demonstrated the attacks slowly, so that the untrained eye of a non-swordsman (like most of us, I'd guess) can understand what was going on!
Also, I really liked how you decided to show your armour's "stats" (mainly the "slash resistence" part haha). Only thing that I was hoping to see was the other knight's "stats" too...
This was incredibly educational. Always a different experience to see these techniques in "real" use, rather than just reading the manuscripts (or whatever they are called). Awesome as always, Metatron! :)
I just gotta say metatron, you look really damn cool in the thumbnail
Im not very familiar with the German Fencing manuscript but I am familiar with the Italian manuscript of Fiore and I believe you may be doing some of these incorrectly. With proper footwork you should be stepping behind your opponent when in the bind while putting the pommel past their right shoulder. This would allow you to throw them over your leg and finish them. If you're simply hitting their off hand with your pommel they could just let go and back away.
awasome!!
Manuela Di Leonardo Thank you so much Manuela :D
Was the half sword technique used during the Crusades or was it only actually developed after when plate armor became more common?
No evidence for it until we reach the lye XIV century afaik
Great video as always. yeiiiiiiiiii :)
cool stuff.
Hey how often you oil/apply anti rust measurements to your armor?
RyuFireheart I have neglected my armour for a while so I have quite a bit of work to do now on it xD
Great video, actually thats the first armour vs armour sparring using historical techniques that i saw on youtube!
Fighting against armor, however it's advisable to wear armor, if you have time to put it on. There's opposite fantasies here: The legendary hero that uses skill, and speed to overcome the oppressive knight, or dragon, or whatever. As opposed the the knight that lives in shining armor, with a magnet in the back to stick his greatsword to. Just walking around like that, all day, with a pommel sticking up right around the back of his head, in case of Dragon. The reality is of course that Knights had to fight unarmored, because they couldn't just call a time out, to go get their squire, and sit down by the arming cart while they buckled, and laced into full field-plate. So, I'm assuming that at some point, someone armed with just a sword had to take on someone much better armored WITH A SHIELD. I also have to point out that shields were a thing, a hell of a lot easier to strap into than even a set of gauntlets, and rather effective against most half-swording techniques, because of reach, and area of coverage.
Just reading through the comments, I have to wonder how many of them have actually ever put on Gauntlets. Just for example, themselves, without help, on both hands? I assume that Knights had to half-sword without wearing gauntlets, simply because they barely had time to draw the sword, but not put on gauntlets (Which they had conveniently hanging from their belts.) Mainly, it's people arguing with historical combat experts, who actually own a suit of fitted harness, because they've binge-watched The Witcher, or is a big fan of the games.
Hey man! Do you have any suggestions on gauges? I have 14 gauge legs, arms and and helmet but I'm hesitant to wear my 16 gauge breastplate in love steel combat? Great video by the way! Always great to see your stuff.
Floyd Keim III Thank you very much I am glad you like the video.
Ye the concept with gauce is that simple, thicker if you want to fight with it, thinner if you want to wear it for the looks.
But to get more detailed, I would go for thinner metal in same cases even if you want to fight, and that is if you use light weapons, such as shinai or calimacil or stuff like that.
If you want to fight with metal blunt weapons though use thick gauge at all costs, because you don't want to get injured.
;)
+Floyd Keim III Honestly a 16 gauge breastplate over a gambeson is fine. Unlike in, say, movies or Battle of the Nations, people shouldn't be hacking away at your plates if they're doing it right. The mail around your armpit will probably end up taking the lion's share of the blows. 16 gauge is fine for breastplates, gorgets, and helmets, and your bracers and greaves and things can be 18 gauge if you want. Of course, if you do SCA fighting or (god forbid) ACL you might want something a little stronger.
Salve Meta! Love your channel and your content! Keep up the good work and stay as you are. Buona fortuna from Magma Germania!
I think its time for a video on the Burgonet.
fascinating and id love to point out i never seen any of this anywhere before
The prettiest longswords in my opinion have ring guards on them
Siegfried von Haus if a longsword has a ring guard, is it still a longsword?
Why wouldn't it be?
Siegfried von Haus Because it has a ring guard?
Just makes it a longsword with better hand protection
Siegfried von Haus Well, maybe.
I prefer the cross guard, just self preference XD
And if there's a kind of sword I find beatyfull, it sure is the Messer
Metatron's armor designed so good that it looks intimidating and scary when you fight against it
Only thing missing was a demonstration of the Murder Stroke, though, due to the inherent dangers involved with using the crossguard like a warhammer, it is understandable.
Well that's one way to kick your own ass 😂. Cool demonstration
question: which is harder to maintain? chainmail or plate armor? what happens if the chainmail gets rusty? is it true that they put in a barrel of sawdust and roll it around? sorry armor noob here :)
ilikewasabe Hi !
For a chainmail, you can preserve it in a barrel of sand. It will prevent the chainmail to rust. Moving the barrel when the chainmail is rusty will apply an abrasive effect that will polish your chainmail as if it was brand new.
ilikewasabe Maybe for drying. Plate armor is pretty nasty as it rusts very fast (leather is atttracts moisture, fat of the wearer...). Chainmail is self-cleaning to some extent as rust rubbs off during the movements. Repairs are also way easier.
Anyway : often there is chainmail under plates (in some extends) so you have both problems in one when having a plate armour.
***** First knights started to put a brigandine over their mail, then a massive plate, but then they only used a gambesson with patches of mail to cover the exposed areas under their plate armor.
edi I am sorry but this is absolute thinking. Transition took a century, not with brigandine exclusively, in fact brigandine could be marginal in some regions. You had plenty of cuirass or equivalent over mail, with grieves added and afterward arms protection, half or plain. In all that time chainmail stayed under. Everytime you had this configuration. Then it evolved in full plate. And only then : patches.
In any circumstances : those parches needed to be cleaned up too...
I’m not really sure that kit is very historical but it is quite pretty
That's a great reference for a layman like me.
Since you have a suit of armor, perhaps you might know: what's the basis for the idea that one can have heat exhaustion while fighting in armor? Is it based on primary sources or modern experiments? I couldn't find anything.
why are great helms so big in the first place ?
Michael Mitchell Because in some cases you would be wearing another helmet underneath it. Great helms where used by the cavalry to protect themselves from the shock of the impact of charging. After that they would remove it, hence the mail coif or smaller bascinet underneath it
oh sx protection tx
Michael Mitchell My pleasure ^^
Where did you get the armour?!
Histoiro Mastero which one? :D They are both mine ^^
+Metatron umm... well I meant what websites did u get these from, if you did get it from a website
Histoiro Mastero Lots of different websites, but for mail I would suggest battle merchant, for plate I will make a video to help people get nice plate armour :D
Metatron great, thank youuuuu
nice dude smoke
Knechtor ahaha thanks :3
Could slashing headshots still be reliable knockout blows? Is there any armor that is specifically designed to prevent knockouts via a helmet that is mounted to the body armor?
I say this because helmets of today's standards do very little to prevent knockout blows from punches, much less a weighty sword.
Yes, there is some jousting armour that has the helmet attached to the breast plate to prevent the head from being shaken around
15th century knight vs 12th century crusader, interesting match up. Also, is that legit hardened steel plate armor? If so, where did you get it and how much did it cost? I bought a full set of armor piece by piece but it's just thin 18 gauge steel.
You are so gentle with your partner.
Wow nice armour!
Ain't that great helm a bit too great?
Offensive Madman There were even bigger great helms, infact some knights would wear another smaller helmet underneath it
+Metatron Why did the inventors of the great helm use a flat top when they could have looked back to the Norman helmets and make it cone shaped?
greathelms became cone shaped after some years look at the sugarloaf helmet
how do you cope with the heat? does not this plate amour like an oven in the summer?
even more theories about plate armor no it isnt as an oven in summer
I need more and more of this (y)
the red guys forearms are exposed alot compared to the other guys 👍 video
13th century knight vs 15th century
Nice! Hey, meta, how much has your armour costed you?
ShaNagmaImmuru ah consider that I have purchased it over a few years not all together, but probably somewhere around 1.2k euros to 1.4k I think. And I am thinking of upgrading the cuirass into an Italian "two piece" torso :3
Metatron oh nice! I hope you get your upgrade soon matie!
ShaNagmaImmuru Yes hopefully :D
I must ask you: Where did you get your armour? I doubt I'd be able to afford it, but I'd be curious to check out more details. :)
Papadragon18 each piece is taken from a different site, I custom made it ^^ But I can give you names of good sites if you want to have a look and do some window shopping ^^
Thank you for the quick response ^^
I'd love to get the names of these sites! The ones I'm aware of are Armstreet and SPQR, which while nice, have a limited assortment.
+Metatron Some your armour doesn't look like it fits you very well. Your mail skirt seems to be falling off of you at one point, and your breastplate seems a bit loose and it looks like it comes down too low; it should stop at the bottom of your rib cage. Also your shoulders look a bit big (they really don't need to be). I can't really tell what the fitment of the legs is like, but from experience, your leg armour is your own worst enemy unless it fits really well (I made my own legs out of leather and brigantine; it took me a month to get it right).
MisdirectedSasha It's my first armour, I need to upgrade it but I don't have the budget just yet, hoepfully in the future.
Yes the breastplate is basically costume armour, but I have been looking at a wonderful armourer who could make some proper stuff for me and hopefully he will :D
ps: I know but I love big pauldrons I'm Italian what can I do xD
I hear ya there. There are only two ways to get good armour:
1. Pay somebody a f**kton of money to make it for you.
2. Trial and error.
Depending on how much time you have on your hands, you can make fairly protective armour parts yourself; bracers being probably the easiest. Also if you're looking for a cheap breastplate, you can find some good ones; I use this one: www.kaswords.com/medieval-italian-14th-century-globose-breast-plate.aspx
This is what my armour looks like now: imgur.com/gallery/ZKHLVfZ/new
The first two times I wore it to fights I had this nasty problem of my cuisses slipping down and immobilizing my knees, which I only managed to solve about a week ago.
Stupid question: Can half swording be performed on, say, a katana, or any other Japanese swords?
I'm just asking if it can actually be done with such weapons, and maybe how it would work in your opinion.
+Daniel De Villa (Bill B. Bill)
I think it is possible, but not the best option to perform Half swording on Katana since the blade is slightly curve and not emphasize on piercing. (but it will still do some tho.)
And talking in the manner of Half swording by grabbing the blade with both hand to have a sword as an improvised mace/hammer, it would rather be a worse choice since Tsuba (guard) and Kashira (pommel) are not that much of a mass that would provide a good blunt impact force through armor.
+Daniel De Villa (Bill B. Bill) i guess it can?
but i don't think it will be that effective since katana is nov very good for piercing. plus, that curve tho.
Wow how old is that red knight?
Knight in jeans and sandals :P
Anyway, have fun and keep the channel spinning!
What happened to your full harness?
Where are your arming caps?
0:12 DEUS VULT!!!!
Ok nice but why are your friend's forearms skin naked ?
***** Because during the making of this video I accidently cut his arm with the sword (only lightly) and the weight and pressure of the arm protection was bothering him ;)
How... Ok I see :D
***** And the day before I cut his brother's finger with the sword xD (but again only lightly so nothing serious) O.O I never get any injury because the armour protects me perfectly instead non full armours have weak spots and I seam to be able to exploit them even when I don't want to xD
Well, technically it's a talent, but here the apparences show as if you were clumsy :p
***** I am clumsy with almost 30 kg of armour on me xD also the grieves I use a very low quality and I am waiting for the proper cast molded grieves I bought, a very necessary upgrade for my armour and for every knight :D
I feel like I would not walk towards my foe while halfswording. You're just presenting your fingers begging to bet hit hard, and you'll get a fracture. I would start with my regular two handed techniques and seamlessly go in and out of halfsword by dropping the pummel and grabbing the blade (with the pinkie towards the tip and the thumb towards the guard), and vice versa, depending on the range.
And in the event where my foe trips and fumbles for a second while getting up, I would drop the guard, while keeping the midblade in my left hand, grab the tip of the blade in my right hand, and just heave it over my shoulder and straight into the ground with the weight of my body. Murder stroke. Like being hit in the head with a baseball bat, only it's a longer base ball bat with a weightier pointier tip. Helmet or no helmet your neck will just give way and you will go down on the ground to squirm in agony.
Alternatively, if you successfully trip your foe and he falls on his back, grab the midblade with your left hand (poing down), put your pummel in your armpit and one side of the cross guard close to your shoulder (like you'd do with a jousting lance), and then just literally step into the other guy, driving your sword into the ground. If he has his back on the ground and your sword is pointy enough, and you're heavy enough, either your sword will break, or the rings of his armor will (do aim at the hauberk not into a chestplate). If you do that he will be _absolutely super dead on the spot don't even call an ambulance_ .
Why was your mate wearin jeans?
「The Flashbolter」 why not one of the cast of braveheart wore wranglers under his armor
metatron please say thats not butted mail
Looks simmilar to bajonet fighting =)
Binged video 125
i wish see a real fighting in which you exist
I consider halfswording as a sad atempt to keep the sword relevant in an age where it became more and more obsolete. It works but its far from the best way to deal with armor considering the fact that there are a multitude of weapons better at dealing with armor.
+gabbagundam Did you forget about the people that don't have top tier full plate armor? Every peasant didn't have an old suite sitting in the basement ya' know?
after 14 century peasants could afford brigandines and nearly every soldier had armor
Good try at half-swording. I'm sure you don't need me to nitpick your armour for you ;) but I guess you work with what you have.
Here is my main criticism of your technique (I've been doing a lot of armoured combat lately and I've done HEMA for over a year).
Don't be shy about following through with the techniques. If you watch people doing armoured combat, you'll see that there is very little gentleness to the art. If your opponent is wearing some decent bracers, try to have him (her?) resist (passively, by trying to push through with their attack or parry) and see if you can wind them onto the ground or even just compromise their structure. You aren't trying to actually hurt your opponent, but with a bit of practice you can do the drills at speed so it looks like you are.
If there's a HEMA club near you, you should definitely try to get to a few classes. Most HEMA instructors I know of like it when their students come with knowledge and interest in historical treatises and everybody benefits from comparing different interpretations.
Mordhau brought me here.
If you want to, me and my pals could make this combat stunts for you, for free of course, just let me know which techniques you would like to show and we shoot it. We have way better replicas and we posses the skill to show it in the way it looks cool AF. :) Armoured or in historical civil clothes. I'll be glad to help. :)
Shut up, man
Is that a historically accurate 12th century Indonesian knight you're fighting? 🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩
when cicadas can't shut the hell up for one second xD
11. century (unrivited, dekoration) chaimmail Armor, not propper paddet, a greathelmet witch no early bascinet under it, against a fantasy 15 centuryish full plate armor with a 16th century maximillian helmet , figthing with dekoration swords, i understand you want to show something but its not very good maybe just in gambeson with part mail or part plate or even a brigandine or coat of arms it whould look better...
I hate to leave a negative comment, but I just have to.
Metatron's plate armor looks utterly ridiculous. The brestplate goes all the way down to the belt.
The strangest thing is that Metatron knows how a proper armor should look like: he even makes a video about it called "Good armor vs Bad Armor".
So why the hell is he wearing this tin can is beyond my understanding.
Dear Metatron, please make sure to avoid such shameful mistakes in the future. I'm pretty sure your friend KnyghtErrant can help you out with some tips for obtaining proper gear.
Ah, the old cringey days...
These armours are so bad. :)
Bullshit.
really they used swords like that ? Why not just a bo staff instead. or a club. Interesting disarming moves but i have never seen anybody use their swords like that.