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- I ended up going 3 for 3 in the qualifier earlier this morning (4am). We won the semi-finals and now we faceoff in the last game - The Finals. Let’s make it happen!
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DandyCrew - I have read a lot of the comments about this game and really want to clarify something here…
CoolDool and I have been (for the most part) Catan friends and played many games in tournaments and leagues. Considering my position, dev draws, and dice this game… I don’t fault him for most of his plays and frankly, there’s a lot of cases where I win this game if just a few 9s come in (especially early). He had every right to hit me as an OWS competitor AND a strong player. I might not like that decision but clearly I’m biased. Overall, no one should be blaming or shaming anyone at this table for “misplays” or bad blocks. At the end of the day, it’s better to consider what I could have done to improve my chances.
1. Pointing the road up on the 694 was greedy and unnecessary. Most likely cost me the game since I could have pointed left to the desert 3:1.
2. Blocking the 5 shared was most likely ineffective but I thought cool might have played a knight. Better to hit the other 5 or a more impactful roll.
3. I needed to make a deal with robin to make sure I preserve my settle spot on the 10. No point in helping extend the game just to get plowed by him and lose.
4. There might have been a few insurance deals to save my hand from 7ing a few times.
Overall, I made mistakes that potentially cost me the game and that’s will always be on me. Stay kind to your fellow players and know we all want to do our best to win. Anyone who gets to a final table knows what they are doing. 🎉
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Once Carter lost road, I actually think you were the correct block again and not Carter. Carter only won through rolling a lot of 5, but if the 5 and 9 were replaced then you ere winning a lot sooner.
Like always you don't blame and stay kind to your competitors.
It is still fair to say Cool should be weary of you as strong competition as well as playing the board. Once Robin gave Carter the middle, Carter became the scariest on the board
I think you guys did very well to combat against a player that pulls 4 devs and gets RB for road, Mono for city, YOP for city, and VP to close out the game. Perfect devs in perfect order plus had massive 5s and 6s rolling while your 9s rolled 2x. The fact that you got that close is amazing. Well done, Drew!
And on top of that, getting double plowed and pulling 8 knights on your end!
@@donnygaming8 I think that was frustrating, getting that many knights and not something more useful. One YOP doesn't cut it.
That was a frustrating game to watch.
“But you have a city”. meanwhile oranges 4th settles is a 6511 and they have a 3:1.
fr idk what he was cooking then he gave him the ability to pop
Throwing shade at CoolDool but forgetting that Drew gave Carter a 2:1 at 22:34…then the next orbit Drew stole from green after complaining about Carter for the last 10 mins
@@cruizin_usa2361 carter would get the 2:1 sooner or latter... but yeah; they all shoud have payed more attention to him
Tho dice stats and devs were unfurtunates to Drew; he could have won with more 9s or with a couple of devs not being knights...
All that being said, balck and green 100% underestimated orange position
@@cruizin_usa2361 the steal was a fishing expedition though. Drew was looking for a card and was denied the trade for non-steal, so I get that he had to follow up. Maybe it was a misplay to ask for the trade, but either way there’s a huge difference between blocking orange stealing from someone else and solo blocking someone else and downplaying orange’s strength all game.
I could physically feel my mind being numbed throughout this game. I think your odds of winning were pretty high with remotely proportional dice, but even once you rallied the board, the tides of luck just didn't turn
Beautiful crossover lmao
Cooldool *talked* a lot of aggression toward Drew through a lot of the game but in reality Drew was hardly targeted in terms of blocks and robs just because 7s weren't rolled. That's an easy win for Drew if 9s started rolling at the end but it truly was too many 5s to overcome. It's unfortunate that such unbalanced dice happened in the finals.
I think you forget how much table talk can affect the mentality of players. It is absolutely a tactic that abnormally skewed the game in Carter's favor.
If you want to blame the dice you can't have it both ways: Drew escaped a lot of early blocks on his Wheat because the 7 just didn't roll while his Ore popped off. That his 9 didn't roll simply pushes the needle a little into 'bad luck' territory. It wasn't terrible luck when you consider it on balance. Drew's decision to point his road up instead of getting a guaranteed settle was also a factor. There were 2 good Wood-Brick spots left when Drew made that decision. The risk of getting plowed was pretty high.
Cool's table talk denied Drew of a lot of trades
@@serrademers6047 I'm not sure how much table talk has an effect on top tier players. Most of the time they're able to effectively read the situation and aren't too swayed by table talk. Table talk is really effective against intermediate players. If anything I find myself targeting the players who are table talking because they seem like they're trying to deflect how strong their position is.
I wonder if using the yop for the early settle was the play in this game, feels like getting the 3rd settle spot was key to your game
yeah the city was greedy, no way to know that drew would get 0 road material bc of the dead 9s but still, no brick and endless ore means the YOP had to be used for wood or brick
The idea was I needed a single 9 just drop the road. I don’t think the YOP into city is actually a bad play at all as it gives me an unstoppable engine with the wood port… of course if it doesn’t roll, that’s a problem! Lol
The passive aggressive nerd energy in this lobby is astounding
It's clear there were more influencing factors to this L, but sometimes it just felt like Cool was more focused on making sure you didn't win than making sure he did. Between his odd placements and plow on top of his tunnel vision table talk, it seems like the pressure of the moment really got to him and he channeled all his anxiety in your direction. Even beyond the results I'm sure that must've been a very frustrating experience for you and I have empathy for that
I disagree. His victory condition relies on either cities or VPs, but he can't do that quickly. If Drew gets the 6-3 he just wins faster. Plowing made total sense given that it only takes a couple of 9s for Drew to settle. Plus Drew had been blocking the 5 Wheat non-stop and kept saying he had loads of knights to play. Having the 6 as well helps your game a lot.
Since you can’t block Drew and Carter at the same time, Cooldool (and Robin) made the right plays by slowing down Drew while keeping Carter blocked. And don’t forget that Drew gave Carter a 2:1 and the next turn stole from Robin despite harping about Carter’s dominant position since the start
blockin Drew was right all the way. He would have won easily had he drawn 2-3 less knights and more useful devs, and if Orange didn't hit that stupid amount of 5s he had paired. This was not a winnable game for anybody other than orange.
If the 9s rolled as often as the 5s, so both 10 times, we’d be looking at a different game and then cooldools “tunnel vision” probably wouldn’t have been mentioned as Dandy gets the win.
95% of y’all’s grievances for Drew not winning should rest with the skewed dice. 5% if that can be attributed to the social aspect/decision making of the players.
Overall, I agree with you here cruizin. I do believe we could have worked together in the end game better but it’s hard to deal with some who is has literally twice as much production as any 1 player.
That seems a bit disingenuous. Orange is showing 8, and yea the production is crazy. But the robber lives on them and they have to port for ore. Meanwhile you are showing 6 with 4 down devs. You never disclosed you had 2 vps, and nor should you. So I’m not sure what ultimately Black and Green do differently. Leaving you the 10 ore settle essentially guarantees you the win. In fact, after that spot was plowed, you still were able to road over to a new settle spot AND pop another dev lol. So again, the lack of 9s and the abundance of 5s is pretty much the whole story
@@dandydrew Yah. He must have sacrificed his soul to the dice gods that game. The speed at which he built , just made him unstoppable.
@@cruizin_usa2361 I think that would be accurate if all decisions were made before the skewed dice. However players must be adapting live to ressource distribution. I think they failed to take in consideration actual production.
@@DidierPilon the robber lived on Carter, what are you on about?
Drew if you see this, I’d love more tournament videos! They’re super exciting!
I dont think cool played that bad, i think drew just got unlucky with devs and carter got lucky with the 5's
Cooldool played it well overall and he’s been playing in great form lately. The variance was certainly against us in this case and if the 9’s rolled anything like the 5s, we are sitting in a fantastic position to win. I don’t believe Cool should get any hate from this channel given how that game played out as he took a good leadership role and that is rare to see with players. I respect it!
all the table's decisions against you were logical and correct, don't need to get so emotional and frustrated. if they didnt play hard against you, you would run away with the W, why would they just let you get the free win? both plows were fine. GGs tho, pulling all those knights was giga unlucky, u still prob shoulda won.
THIS. I like watching Dandy and have learned alot but his belief that everyone is against him is invalid and he tries to make people feel bad about it. Him tabletalking that he is not ahead when he almost can city, road and settle in one turn is insane...appreciate his gameplay but good catch on them for seeing stall = dandy W...
I mean, there's a reason they were all sitting at the final table. The table talk was hectic and slanted against Drew for sure, but it's kind of to be expected and if the rolls and devs had just gone Drew's way he'd have won handily. Drew is pretty masterful at table talk himself, though, so I'd guess at least some of his indignance was calculated.
I certainly agree my setup was good and the potential is there. One of the issues here (that people don’t see) is Cooldool and I have dealt with some past issues on reputation and in some cases, I try to mitigate that behavior early to avoid things getting out of hand. Carter has some clear advantages in terms of flexibility, production, and expansion. Having multiple 3 hex settle spots open and a road network is a massive W for him as the road player going against 3 OWS players. As far the plows, I understand the first one but the 2nd one is questionable given the board condition - It might have been more optimal for Robin to plow the 52 against Carter and make me pay to leave the settle spot open. This kind of plays should have been discussed but Cooldool was very persistent that I had to lose that spot without considering alternative paths… So I don’t agree that ALL the of table’s decisions were optimal (including some of mine). Overall, I made some critical mistakes that cost me opportunities and that’s 100% on me. It was still a fun game and interesting to deal with variance that goes this way. Appreciate the comments and feedback y’all! ❤
My bad Drew, I’ve been watching too many of your videos that my dice luck somehow got transferred over to your game!
Haha! Besides the 9, I felt things weren’t too bad for us.
@@dandydrew devs werent fortunite too! Could have used a mono, rb or smth instead of all the knights
Man I got heated watching this one
Not every game is a slam dunk EZ win. I definitely had a great position and had chances but some of the tunneling was definitely not optimal. There were clearly some misplays from me that cost me opportunities.
Really tough position to be picking given how much OWS was out there. In theory, the wood port and the 9 give you an edge over the other OWS players, but 2 nines in that long of a game?? That's brutal. You had a winning setup and lost it on the dice. Tough game.
Dont know why everyone hating on cooldool. Imo Dandy was looking scary with those 6 devs, so we cant blame cool.
Cooldool may have been focused too much on dandydrew sometimes, but on the other side he didn't let dd rule the table talk alone as i saw in a lot of other games.
Thank you for the ad timing. Watched it all because of you 🎉
Really fun one to watch, loved the sass all around
3v1 always fun...
While that was a little frustrating to watch, still love seeing how well you read the board. Very unfortunate rolls and timing with the robber moves that went in Carter's favor
Bad luck Drew. Terrible dice luck and terrible pulls, if you get 1 mono/yop/rb you win that game almost certainly. There was a few times when I would have considered 4:1 wheat for a brick early on just to get the road to the 6:3 down, but I also understand not doing that because if your wheat then gets blocked you fall way behind. Just needed even 1 more 9 roll
Yeah, the plows and lack of good rolls were pretty brutal. I think maybe he should have shifted away from devs sooner like another commenter said, but then again a single mono in those last few pulls would've probably been gg.
Honestly, the luck wasn’t that bad at all. Everything else was in high supply except the 9s. At the end of the day, I made some critical mistakes that really cost me a few opportunities and that’s always on me.
I get its part of the game but sitting there for 2 mins while people debate trades for porting and stuff is so annoying
Those guys are just ridiculous. The other guy is clearly at 8 points and they solo block and plow you like you're the big threat
Ah, I've been there my friend! Made it to a final table and had coordinated 5's for my Ore and Wheat and they rolled two times total! (One was the second last roll). Still battled and ended up with 9 points, which just makes it hurt even more! 😢
42:51 you or black should have fed green a road to settle on oranges spot on the 5/2 which makes oranges set up harder to take road and looses a settle spot, also which still gives you the settle open for the 10 oar
Good from cooldool in the end to acknowledge he was way too focussed on you. Hope next time it will be better
maybe the 3:1 road would’ve been better knowing they won’t trade very anti drew table
This game is frustrating and i can hear you feeling that in your tone of voice the entire game. I think OWS wins games quick with good roles and timing. But that doesnt mean players should ignore other players chances at winning especially when they are ahead. Saying you are tied for winning at 3vps and orange at 7 is crazy. Yes with your game secret vps and army are kinda guarenteed at that point of the game, but the awareness of other players needs to be higher. This game at its soul is about board balancing and that game was the block DandyDrew game. Even later in the game other players had the audacity judge you for blocking the wrong hex when they were blocking the wrong hexes most of the game. Left a sour taste in my mouth and am very dissapointed in how the other players played against you.
At the beginning there was a play to use the yop to put two roads down to the 83. Just curious if that would have been an acceptable play since it secures your 63 and opens the 83. It would have been a lot slower, i just don't know if it would be too slow
Do you think it's ever wise to let them know exactly what your devs are? Either saying I don't have mono, or I have 4 knights? Something like that to make them realize you aren't in the better position.
Tough game. That guy did get a bit focused on you at the cost of their own game. But I think the dice were just in it for Orange. That's the only way they get out as far ahead as they did and then it's just an uphill battle to stop them. I like hearing the chat but I had no idea who was talking. Are you using a separate chat program because I thought that Colonist had the icons show up when you talk.
Hey Dandy, love your content. But for the love of god please stop zooming in and out of the board. The board is big enough, you don't need to zoom in to show something, pointing the mouse is fine. It just spoils the experience of the great content.
you seldom see someone roll almost twice as many resources as all other players. Pretty amazing the other three worked together well enough that you still almost beat him. Such poor roll distribution.
minute 42 was a bullet to the chest
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someone tell cool to wipe his mouth and zip it up when he plays with drew. i hate seeing players lose just because of who they are. drew could have both his starting settles on the desert and he’d still get colluded against 😂 very frustrating to see. very sorry for you drew.
Cooldool's focus on you wasn't too farfetched, I think. Yeah it was little bit unreasonable from table's point of view. But your hand is scary with 2 VP and also if those hits and 7s didn't happen, you would have settle and city on the 10 ore and win
Yet another example of why random dice are vastly inferior to balanced dice.
What about using the YOP for brick instead of the early city to secure the settlement spots?
I think your mistake is taking the city with a yop instead of going for a settle because you don't produce brick and it's better for pacing
Games like this show that Catan ultimately is a game of luck. However good or bad you are , if the 9s were evenly closed proportionate to the 5s dandy wins.
Dandy lost cus the 9 to 5 roll ratio was frankly ridiculous and the reason lower rated or new players quit the game completely
No one really had a chance against carter the was the dice rolled - simple as
orange won only because he had paired 5s which hit abnormally, but his pick in the 1st place was wrong. This was a relatively high ows board and there is simply no way on such a board as 1st you skip on the ore. the pick was either 8-5-10 or 4-6-9. Had Drew drawn just 2-3 less knights and some more monos or even yop or rb to build 1 more settlement he would have won confortably simply because he had no competition for army while orange eventually was surely losing road, DESPITE hitting 5s insanely heavy. In fact targeting Drew was not wrong. Orange just had a sick amount of luck, not just with the 5, but ALSO with the 7 rolling very little, Drew drawin 2 many knights, and his 9 basically NEVER rolling. To be honest I would not say this was a worthy win.
I think pointing to 63 was great but you waited too long to drop a road and always preferred DCs. I think you should have dropped it way sooner even though you sacrifice a DC and make inefficient trade. I believe once you pointed up you should commit to it
Robyn sounds like Treeck (Treeckosaurus)
Is there money won in these tournaments?
Perhaps you could have convinced them to plow orange on the 5/2, instead of plowing you?
U would have won if you got like a couple 9s in the game
Absolutely. I know some people won’t be happy with cooldool here but I had chances and a great OWS engine. If 9s and 5s rolled evenly we win
I feel like you needed to play your devs or be brutally honest. Sometimes aggressive knights can stop the block. Idk cooldool tunnelvisioned and you both burned together 👍 orange was able to take both of your bickering and win. At least it was not a toxic game.
Am i from the future or this game was already posted a while ago??
I think you're from the future ;)
Drew I’m incredibly curious as to why you felt to point right on the 8 10 instead of left, with blacks slow start and need to go to the 3 hex settle you would think the 8 3 is better than just the 10 ore but why point right love your vids❤️❤️
My guess is that it would upset both green and black, with black trying to block him off
Left felt like I was getting plowed by cooldool on the 83. In most cases, I would be fine to get the settle on the 10 ore uninterrupted.
how do you rob someone guaranteed on 8 points
Wow. This cool dood was not cool at all.
Wtf that guy plowing you at the end while the other guy being at 8 with 3 cities. Just dumb plays through all the game. And him laughing after doing it, just looks like a child.
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Players like Cool irritate me. Since the beginning he us aggro towards you. Very unsportsmanlike.
Cool and I have played each other many times, and I know he respects me as a strong player. I also understand why he would hit a strong player. I think the biggest thing is to not tunnel early. To be fair to him, if the 9 balanced a bit better, I believe I do win this game if we continue to feed robin
@dandydrew 100%. His play to convince Robin to take your settle was completely unnecessary, given the state of the board. He even apologizes, knowing it was a dick move. Still was a good game. It's just annoying as a viewer of games to constantly see people in voice chat abuse and turn against you and make you public enemy #1.
I think in that moment, Robin could have taken the settle from carter and made me pay up. That’s a deal I should have thought about.
Since Drew and orange can’t be blocked simultaneously, it makes perfect sense to slow Drew down (as Cooldool points out by saying if we stall long enough Drew just wins). The robber is living on orange while orange fights for road or builds to 10, so make it harder for Drew to settle. I respect Cooldool’s approach this game
So, black guy takes a really bad spot, because he "feels inspired", then acts salty for 20 minutes, then losing the game and makes it onesided even. Strange dude.
Cool is probably the saddest player I've seen...crazy
Man cool dude was annoying af. He's one off but let's block danny
cool is a bum
This game was insufferable. Players like Black that tunnel-vision to the point of you both losing ruin this game. I'm glad Black lost, he did not deserve the win.
Game is nearly unwatchable due to black. His game sense is so awful. I just imagine him being that kid in your play group of Magic or Catan or whatever that you end up giving the game away to just to get him to shut up. Im sorry i know we like to keep it positive here but wow...
Cooldool is a great player and has never been rude or nasty to me as a person. Though I didn’t agree with some of the focus, we have to acknowledge our setup is good and with better luck on the dice (9s rolling) we most likely win after securing army. We just needed 1 settle to close it out.
Black played just fine. What an L take. Skewed dice was what determined 95% of this game.
@cruizin_usa2361 Never once said anything about how the game was won or lost. What an L response. I just said it was nearly unwatchable due to his nonstop ranting and tunneling.
Also never said he was a bad player. Just said he was annoying.
Feel free to disagree with my opinion on Black's antics, but at least read what I wrote before saying my comment is an L or trying to explain how the game is won or lost. I watched the game, I saw the dice stats.
Talk about poor sportsmanship by cool (Black) there doing what ever you can to ruin someone else's game because they are TH-cam famous at the detriment to your own game was not the way to play.
do you steam on discord? think I gotta get one thems