Sableye is TERRIBLE in Gen 3. Here’s Why Pros are Using it.
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- Pokemon Gen 3 Competitive Singles is a great format where unique strategies always seem to pop up in tournaments. Sableye, while it looks completely terrible, has recently been used by high-level player ABR thanks to its unique qualities. It is the only Ghost type with access to Knock Off and Recover, 2 fantastic moves, and thanks to Psych Up it can even improve your matchup against Curse Snorlax.
I am not talking about Mega Sableye, rather, I'm talking about regular Sableye. Mega-Sableye isn't involved.
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I pronounce Pokemon names very well.
Yea… you still manged to say sableye wrong Nice vid tho
Where did you get that pronunciation from though?
It is sable, eye. I do not understand.
Shout out to sablie for joining the fight against iron mugulis
Sab-Lie is understandable if you don’t recognize the word “sable” when you learn the name, but it is strange to hear lol
If you think that's bad, I originally pronounced (and sometimes still do out of habit) Sableye as 'sabble-eye'.
Differing pokemon pronunciations affect my very being. It's a harsh reminder of the lack of unity between human understanding.
Theres pronounciation guides in smogon serebii and pokemonfandom. So its not a unity problem some people are just wrong
@@DrCoeloCephalooesn’t the anime do this?
I think it's important to remember regional accents and non native speakers using the language. Imagine if the Japanese names were never localized the arguments we'd be having. It's an eye for a sableye kind of world
@@DrCoeloCephaloOh yes.
Let's use the official pronounciations then.
Like Gen-Gar with 2 hard Gs.
This sounds like something JC Denton would say
Banette being worse than Gengar, Dusclops, Misdreavus, Sableye and probably Haunter in ADV OU is king shit
Banette is secretly the Greatest ghost. But don't tell anyone
haunter is more viable in UU than banette, its v sad
It does have the niche of being the only phisical ghost in the game. That makes it the only viable ghost stab mon. And yet it's still shit...
@@loupe500The biggest problem is that Banette is shit
@@loupe500 nah gengar just does it better, sub down to liechi, focus punch the ttar that came in, and then explode on their next mon. 2 kills for 1. Shadow ball kills a non bulky starmie and other gars after a boost too.
This is why I'll always love gens 3 and 4 the most. It felt like they were the generations that best rewarded experimentation and pulling up mons from the lower tiers. Nowadays, powercreep has hit the game so hard that a good portion of the roster isn't even worth looking at. You can't find a niche for them at all. Like, we've always had mons that were bad on purpose as a joke (such as Luvdisc) but currently, we see lots of fully evolved pokemon that are clearly meant to be taken seriously yet theres no justification for ever using them.
tfw ariados is good as a lead in ubers because it limits deo-s to 1 layer of spikes and beats lead darkrai.
@@notapeardont believe the propaganda my dude, it doesn’t really beat lead Darkrai and it only wins vs some Deo-S sets. It has a niche, but it’s pretty consistently objectively worse than the other tspikes options (although it did win a game at the DPPubers invitational, which is pretty sick)
@@KindaKaon the fact that it even has a THEORETICAL use case in ubers is funny enough in itself.
I think it’s more that in Gen 3-4 when you did find niches for UU- mons it was much more novel and impactful because the standards were so limited and stable. Where as in modern gens, even the lower use OUs are still monsters and UU is filled with former Uber and OU mons that still can’t be taken for granted. Wow, you used Greninja or Blissey or Hippowdon in OU, amazing (not). No one going to applaud or be surprised if you pull up with Quagsire or Gastrodon anymore.
Modern games are balanced for VGC, not singles. VGC sees a ridiculous amount of creativity and experimentation!
That sucks sooo much that it doesnt get Wisp in gen 3! I was thinking almost that that was the reason that it was used in Gen 3. Psych Up surprised me also lol
If Sableye did get Will-O-Wisp then it would have been used more. Even fully bulked out, it's frail without the foes crippled if you try to go evenly defensive.
I’ve been playing gen 3 OU A lot recently and I’m just so amazed at how balanced the tier is after playing all the new gens. None of the offensive Pokémon are one dimensional sweepers and they each have alternate sets or something to make them unique. Meanwhile, despite how strong all the defensive options are, they each have some sort of abusable flaw that makes fighting them less annoying and using them more dynamic and satisfying. It takes a lot to make a tier where the average game being over 40 turns not feel boring and frustrating but somehow gen 3 OU has that perfect combination of traits.
Two main reasons that come to mind: no physical/special split and lack of strong items. For instance lack of choice scarf means revenge killing isn't as simple so you need to deal with sweepers in other ways. On the flipside sweepers can rarely use their STABs so they're not at their full power. All this slows the metagame a little bit because mons are effectively bulkier. New gens are power crept and it's a sweep fest while trading mons with your opponent until one of you runs out
In the newer gens a lot of pokemons dont have alternative sets since you could better use a different mon.
The gem goblin goes around slapping them items off
Shadowball is actually Physical type back then, That's why i noticed... Gengar not using it
Correct
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Ghost being Physical and Dark being special were both utter nonsense, but that's how it be.
@@jimothycool fact LOL
Imagine when the popular current pokemon's exist from previous gen with current movesets exist too
I love the gen 1 sprites
There's Garganacl and then there's four Earthbound enemies
It feels like Gen 1 Pokémon was inspired by Earthbound.
Mewtwo is just Geigue with a giant neck vein and feet.
I think it’s an under spoken yet cool trait that (prior to fairy existing), dark/ghost was the only type combo with literally 0 weaknesses (with the only other Pokémon having this type combo being spiritomb). The only other Pokémon that naturally has no type weakness is the Elektross line (being the only pure electric with levitate).
Tbh as a kid I always thought it was weird that more ghost Pokémon WERENT ghost dark because I just felt like it kinda made sense for a lot of them.
Small edit: I also realized that in gen 1 ghost/normal also has 0 weaknesses, but this is largely irrelevant as Gen 1 normal type also basically has no weaknesses on account of the fighting type sucking in addition to there not being any normal ghosts in gen 1
Similary, gen 1 psychics had effectively 0 weaknesses between the psychic being immune to ghost coding error and bug moves being pathetically weak and rare.
@@SPZ-gv2onalso ghost moves being pathetically weak and rare, so even if they did work as intended they wouldn’t be used
I wish they had made ghost resist fairy just to preserve the no weaknesses thing.
not entirely true, there are abilities and attacks that let you hit ghosts with normal and fighting
Keen Eye isn't strictly useless, it helps against Ninjask Sand Attack cheese
@@olivergro7105 I've seen it more than once
Not allowed in Smogon formats
@@CubeBizztoo bad slogans rules aren’t enforceable in the actual games
@@CubeBizzSand Attack is not banned.
@@CubeBizz not true in ADV OU. You're thinking of Double Team
they should give this guy magic guard, whats the worst that can happen?
Magic guard is top 5 best abilities in the game however I think sableyes stats are too bad to take advantage of it
it wouldn't make it better, prankster is as good as it gets
ok this was a bit of an obscure reference but magic guard sableye was put into a gen 3 environment and it became a top 5 mon immediately because dodging passive damage in ADV is actually pretty OP
@@DkKobaADV eh, it’d be good for sure but definetly not top 5. There are pokemon like Skarmory, Claydol, and Flygon that basically ignore passive damage. But if it worked like it does in Gen 4 then it’d likely be top 20, as being immune to full para is huge
@@chilln0648 i mean like we literally played with magic guard sableye and it was able to enable the nastiest stall so.. idk lol. tss is sableye's biggest weaknesses in adv as it needs its HP as much as possible.knock is an OP move. it DID go nuts
I guess Sableye is pranking everyone in ADV OU.
Sableye is simply a funny silly guy, and he always has been :)
True and his design is really cool
One thing I love is that claydol has use in gen 3. Such a cool Pokémon and a victim of power creep
Even in gen3ou Claydol isn't easy to use. Too many things it wants to do but can't do them all and gets weaker the more you try to do.
I know Dusclops and Dusknoir are far from the best Pokémon, due to their low HP and lack of reliable recovery, but...I can't help but be a fan of them.
Shiny Dusclops is blood-red, which is an awesome colour, and Dusknoir - c'mon, if you've played Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky before, you'll know why I like Dusknoir. Great character, he is.
its also neutral to pursuit! Love that guy! Visuak design is so cool! Him and duclops definietly deserve better!
Funny gem monster
love using sableye in gen 9 randbats... me when will-o-wisp knock off recover 😍 anyways great vid!
My pronounciation: “Say - bol - eye”
My parents pronounciation: “Pikachu”
Metagross: You shouldn't be here
Sableye: Yet here I am
**will-o-wisp-ed you**
Metagross: OH NOOEE, I HAVE BEEN CRIPPLED.
Dusclops is one of my favorite pokemon of all time, I hunted it for hours in sapphire because of it's lower spawn rate just to run it on my team, and it's rise to the spotlight in early gen 8 vgc was super fun
I keep forgetting ADV doesn't have team preview. When you were saying it can switch in on a predict psychic I thought for a second "why would that happen if they see sableye and no gengar..."
perhaps if possible, ADV tourney recaps would be cool. I don't follow the meta but it seems really interesting so commentary would be really cool.
I love Gen 3 OU, it’s probably the most balanced metagame in history honestly
DPP UU is easily the most balanced meta ever, it's not even particularly close
Sableye is an absolute goonish goblin and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
When I was a child and first playing through gen 3, I had simply assumed that sableye evolved into Darkrai, I also pronounced it sable eye, so the name's kind of linked up too
Fun fact: Sableye in gen3 had NO type weaknesses.
Psychic didn't affect it
Dark was Neutral
Ghost was neutral
Fairy didn't exist
I flinched every time you said sabble-eye. I love you.
this guy pronounces "Sableye" like an automated hotline would
Man I wonder what the Mug is up to in the past.
Perhaps it wants to recruit missingno?
When you think of Sableye you may also think if it's incredible card in the TCG from the Lost Origin set lol
My silly lil guy that prefers to live in a cave, just like me
I love Sableye to the point where I'll go onto Anything Goes with a full squad of the little guys and see how long I can survive, but even I'll admit that Prankster goes a long way in making Sableye any type of viable. Fascinating to see that even early, weaker Sableye has potential, albeit extremely niche!
Speaking of weird "bad" pokemon that people are using: the latest ORAS viability rankings now ranks Cofagrigus over Heatran, Keldeo and Lando-T. I have no idea exactly what resulted in this, but it's quite funny.
Good matchup into the best pokemon in the tier (excadrill), blocks rapid spin, helps deal with mega medicham, spams wisp in a gen where burn does 12% a turn, and sets up toxic spikes in a meta with few viable poison types to remove them. Very nice bulky support mon
He also passes his ability to pursuit slaking to lose Truant for cheese
@@ThatGuyThaiwait, how can you pass Mummy to your own mon in singles? Or do you mean that it gets countered by the weirdo who brings Slaking to OU?
@@jouheikisaragi6075 you switch cofag into a physical hit, they will obtain mummy. You kill yourself with curse or hard switch and Slaking comes in. They try to run, you pursuit. They stay in you pursuit. Now you have mummy.
@@ThatGuyThai this sounds like the greatest meme strat to pull.
Holy cow the crew traveledback in time!!! Barbieharmer island
This is so true.
While I am terrified of the scourge of IronMugulis, I will not be fear momgered into subscribing. Do you really think that little of your viewer base?
Okay fine I'll subscribe.
Video on chandalure/armarouge? Maybe even past paradox forms Iron knife and Spicy urn
to me the appeal of sableye is the ghost dark typing, it had no weakness pre gen6, (spiritomb is better but were talking gen3) so if you get wonder guard on it, either by playing hackmons or some wild skill swap shenanigans, you're basically immune to direct damage (you still get hit by status moves tho)
at this point I'm here more for updates on Iron Mugulus than Pokéfacts
What I love about Gen 3 is sure there are staples of the format but you don’t have to absolutely run any of them like what Gen 5 was especially pre Excadrill ban or Gen 6 with Lando T or Gen 1 with Snorlax.
We need Iron Mugulis Crew in Minecraft ( i mean Garganacl is already in it )
Man I’m just dying to get a Ghost/Rock mon. The ‘eye was perfect butzzzz
They're allergic to that typing. Sableye, Spiritomb, Runerigus, Golurk (the last two are considered more clay than rock but stranger things have happened in Pokemon). Galarian Corsola and Cursola are the most egregious ones esp since Johtonian Corsola is already a rock-type.
@@mr.sandman7339 I know right! Maybe they are cooking up something special for us? Possibly?
Weaknesses to Water, grass, ground, dark, AND ghost, all of which are extremely common and meta relevant types, on a Pokemon which is more likely than not going to be slow and tanky isn't exactly a good fit
@@tonberry2670 we ain’t gotta make it bulky and defensive though. Just like how all ice mom’s ain’t gotta be slowcoaches.
@@tonberry2670 Not every pokemon has to be a top-tier OU threat to be viable and in any case, I don't think we can count it out competitively. By the time we get a ghost/rock, the meta will be completely different from what it is now. And if it's built like Garganacl or Skeledirge, it'll work out just fine, esp with a unique typing.
Besides, we have Ttar who's weak to water, grass, ground, fairy, steel, and U-turn and is 4x WEAK to fighting rather than immune. And he just now fell to UU after 20+ years of being a consistent OU staple.
iron mugulis has bigger plans then meta game ruining in gen 1 he may be plotting to abuse the missingnoglitch to clone himself to create an army. we need to use gen 1 freeze or wrap to lock him down and end this madness
I used to think as a small boy that sableye evolved into darkrai
3:12 This Gengar had an answer for that entire team and not a single ghost or poison type move lmao
Alakazam has quite a unique role in Gen 3 OU. Click the Great link below to learn why.
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Alakazam is really fun for sure !
but when will we find the Paradox Future form of Great Link?
I know sab-leye makes more sense but in my head it's always been sable-eye xddd
This is what's good about Pokemon,if you have a small niche that no one has, you will see the slightest niche no matter your stats
Curse Snorlax? In the year of our lord??? I thought that boy fell off.
It's still a top tier threat no matter how BKC feels.
isnt it sabel eye idk i could be wrong like with decidueye pronunciation(fr just asking no critique)
At least Great Mugs has not fallen to the darkness. Made me happy to see it missing k the lineup
Hold up what was that nasty trap remix at the end
Hey Jim can you do a video on Gen 4 UU I am really enjoying it
I just remember this thing as the first Pokémon without any weaknesses when it was released.
Can you maybe explain different types of Teams? I’m so confused 😅
Offense: a team that focuses on using strong attacks to win.
Hyper Offense: an offensive team that relies upon maintaining the momentum as much and as long as possible, achieved through a combination of speed and pivoting.
Bulky Offense: an offensive team that trades momentum for durability.
Baton Pass: a team, almost always offensive in nature, that passes certain stat boosts to set-up sweepers.
Balance: a team with a mixture of offensive and defensive mons and strategies.
Stall: a team mostly defensive in nature, often relying upon mostly passive and indirect damage, walling, and healing to win.
TSS (Toxic Sandstorm Spikes): a kind of balance (or stall) team that's focused on using the eponymous passive damage to whittle down the opposition over the course of a game.
Superman: a team mostly or fully composed of non-grounded mons, meant to ignore Spikes.
Mixed Offense: a team comprised of mixed attackers who theoretically cannot be walled by any or most mons in the metagame.
Magneton Offense: primarily, a team that allows for physical offensive spam by removing certain Steel types that would ordinarily prevent the strategy from working; also can allow forgoing hazard control.
"Special Spam": the same idea as above, but using Dugtrio to remove special walls.
Ok I'll bite, what's the significance of the adjective before "end screen" at the end of the videos? It changes pretty often, it was funny for a bit but I'm not sure why.
Sab-Lie?🤨
At least he didnt say Sabledge like I used to when my english sucked 😅. Yeah dont even ask how my fucked up english back then reached that.
Sableye is my favorite Pokemon of all time :)
I’m going to use Sableye in Gen 3
shoutout viper at the end
Video at the best time.
I just noticed it... But is that Viper in the outro?
It is.
tbh should be a rock type cause the gems
SAY-bleye
Wouldn't starmie be a better check than claydol for gengar, given it can ohko and is faster than gengar?
Starmie doesn't always run Psychic, which is the move it wants to hit Gar with. Additionally, Claydol is a good check for many variants of DD Tar and CB Tar, and has less moves it desperately wants. Starmie, beyond spin and Water STAB, wants Ice Beam for Dragons, Tbolt for Waters, Recover for longevity, and Psychic for Gengar. Meanwhile, Claydol, beyond EQ and Spin, chooses from Psychic, Explosion, Refresh, and maybe Ice Beam. Starmie is more threatening offensively, but in turn, Claydol is sturdier defensively.
Gengar commonly uses a lot of hp and special defense in adv to deal with pursuit tar more effectively and spread burns in general. Timid starmie never ohkos this gengar and even modest is a 50% roll (plus gengar could go even bulkier, timid gengar outspeeds etc)
@@TheSlottedPigthis
psychic doesn't kill
I experimented with Camouflage and that would be a guaranteed way to outlast Gengar, but it isn't useful enough in other situations and sacrifices too much of a moveslot
the issue with starmie is that its frail and unlike claydol is vulnerable to passive damage like sand and spikes. Starmie can run psychic if it wants but it has the issue of four moveslot syndrome where it wants to run other moves but just cant really fit em. Claydol also matches up better against certain relevant threats like like physical tar and Aero, and you really want a reliable rock resist.
@@TheSlottedPig in the scenario you presented though, bulky gar wouldn't kill starmie on the crackback. So you do just outright beat it if you're packing psychic provided they aren't going to just explode.
You grab claydol if you need an explosion, rock resist, electric immunity, or psychic / ice coverage.
The gengar I use to spin block blows up claydols after taking his psychic or hitting him with IP and then exploding...this is with no defensive investment.
Claydol's psychic isn't going to kill bulky gar either but I opted to give him the special attack needed to kill mences, and as a byproduct, it can cover most gars too. I actually drop rapid spin to cover both threats and run spin on another mon like forry or starmie. As a result claydol has no defensive evs, but has the natural bulk to take 2 hits of HP with leftys, or 1 hit of just about anything and crack back with explosion, ice beam, psychic or earthquake
Single unique thing a bad mon can do, Nintales -> Overheat -> Psych Up. Enjoy lol
Basically if you're - any stat you can Psych Up against an unboosted mon to get into Neutral. This serves as a potential +2/4/6 depending on how much you pressed overheat.
The best is when Suicune comes in, I overheat -2. They Calm Mind, I Sub. I Psych Up and they Surf/Hydro Pump. I went from -2 to +1/1. Now I Roar. Can Overheat again, now at +1.
It's pretty weak, but its a Fire move with phasing. A great partner to Forretress for the Flash Fire baits and Spikes damage from Roar.
Notably Primeape and Exploud I think can do this too, minus the roar part...I think?
I’ve never once heard Sableye pronounced as Sab-lie. I’ve always heard it pronounced Sable-eye
My main prediction here is that Will-o-wisp Gengar will rise. Burning a Psychic-less Claydol is huge, and it gives your team a better Ghost Type. It's a bit inconsistent of a move, but the variance should be in Gengar's favor.
Honestly, my favorite gengar packs focus punch, explosion and bolt beam.
Will o wisp is solid and bulky gar is good but all those interactions pale in comparison to 100%ing a tyranitar on the switch in, and then blowing up their follow up. I think we're going to see more of those packing lum berry for the punches than WOW.
@@ThatGuyThai We should, but we won't.
Sable-eye 😤
Turns out stats aren't everything. A unique typing and proper move pool can play just as important of a factor. Who knew right? Makes the little shadow gremlin more endearing hearing about its success.
"Sablie"
Actually in gen one explosion only had a base power of 170 so with the halfimg defense its on like a 340
Sableye is rapidly becoming one of my favorite pokemon. He’s just a little fucker.
Why are you saying Sableye like that...
Who's the gargnacle in iron mugulis' gang?
That rogue Garganacl allegedly started a pyramid scheme
I used to use a monotype gen 5 ghost team on showdown with sableye as my ace. Good times
I like that if it has a random neiche use it’s still got a use the devs really did make checks and balances for everything n the game does still have a lot of what the show talks about if u believe n work hard enough u can use any Pokémon
Another great work by Vanilla Ice, the past paradox form of Vanillish.
Iron Stall ( my friend fan made Toxapex form ) realising he is not real ( i mean if he was real it would be Uber if he existed )
Sableye has access to Night Shade. Night Shade would be more useful should Sableye find itself in a battle against other Ghost type Pokémon.
Can i be gen 1 too just to make a time paradox and be less hated than now ?
Could be worse, at least Sabeleye didn’t have Stall in gen 3
Sableye's not that bad. It's the only Pokemon in the entire Gen to not have a weakness. And has access to Recover, Seismic Toss, Night Shade, and many other unique moves.
shoutout to the guy on smogon forums who made a thread unironically asking for sableye to be banned in gen 3 ou
What a loser.
That is soooo cool… but no WoW on ADV Sableye is so BA GF, cmon
I've been a long time fan of Sableye. I have a champion line started in Alpha Sapphire.
I'm convinced that creators intentionally pronounce pokemon names wrong just so people will mention it in the comments and drive up engagement 😁
great value spiritomb doing work
So iron Mugulis’ crew is in gen 1 now? Well in that case I’m just going to activate a couple item swaps and catch the following glitchmons: C1, P, 3trainerpokedollar, women symbol, 94 and f4 and them use them all to send those losers from back to Gamefreak’s garbage can from where they came from.
Tf did u pronounce sableye
Gen 3 OU still one of the best OU ever
Imagine it it always had prankster
4:24 OMG FUTURE PARADOX FLUTTER MANE?!?!
Love the Gen 3 content
RAAAAAHHHHHHHH I FUCKING LOVE SABLEYE SABLEYE IS MY FAVORITE POKEMON LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
Those sprites are actually gas
No weaknesses doesn't make up for poor stats and lack of good resistance
Normal Fighting and Psychic are good resistances.
This meta is so cool
Sablai or sable-eye?
Sable eye.
@@yourdagan that's how i say it, thank you
Gen 3 was still psychic heavy, and he severely punishes it.