Eclipse: The Dark Side of the Sun and Moon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Eclipse. A character hinted at but seen in only a glimpse, and yet has been adopted by the fanbase. Who is the Eclipse? What is the Daycare Attendant's dirty little secret, and could it be that Moon is not the only one tainted with something evil, but Sun? Let's take a look at what we know and what we might rather not...
Music:
- The Daycare Music, slightly slowed (Security Breach)
- The Fun House (Coyote Hearing - TH-cam Audio Library)
- Travel 2/Pinwheel Circus (Fnaf World)
- Sleep No More (Security Breach - Unused)
- Email (Fnaf AR/Special Delivery)
- Twisted Birthday Slowed (Help Wanted)
- Surprise Dental Appointment (Dialtown - Nathan Hanover)
- Funiculi Holiday (Pizza Tower)
0:00 The Sun and the Moon and the Space In Between
1:15 Who is the Daycare Attendant?
2:47 The Spooky Side of Sun (The Moon)
3:34 The Cut Clown Content (SB Cut Content)
5:15 Freddy's Strange Sun Scream (And Shattering)
7:14 Sun and Moon's Changed Gameplay (From the Trailer)
8:25 The Eclipse
9:04 Finding Balloon World
9:36 The Balloon World Minigame & Eclipse Secret
10:13 What IS the Eclipse?
11:27 Eclipse, the Shattered Sun
12:12 How the Shattered Sun might've worked
13:39 The Eclipse Might be Coming...
15:54 William Afton's Possessing the Daycare Attendant
17:58 Sun/Moon's Secret Sadistic Side
18:32 Repeating Plot Points in Fazbear Frights
19:46 The Next Step in Afton's Plan...
20:09 NO WAIT I TAKE IT BACK (A plea for the Sun & Moon)
22:13 A Final Note (Acceptance) - เกม
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I honestly think that one of the main reasons why Sun/Moon and even Glamrock Freedy are so popular in the fanbase is thanks to the amazing voice work they have. Kellen Goff is just so fucking good at what he does and he gives each character a unique flavor and so much charisma.
And also because they are fatherless /s
That is absolutely one of the reasons Sun and Moon are my favorites. I love voice acting- I’d love to get into it someday, but I doubt that’ll ever happen- so when a character has a great performance by a VA it makes me love them more automatically.
Kellen Goff is literally just the best, honestly. I loved Sun and Moon even before I knew that he was the VA for them.
@@XD-yn6hb not all of them. I have a father lol
Ah yea I can taste the characters
Sun/Moon were a really cool concept in Security Breach. Shame neither got much screentime.
Hundreth like
Well moon was seen around security breach every hour.I know sun was seen twice:being before and after moon came out in the daycare, but I believe they(mostly moon) got quite a lot of screen time
This show be the games motto, (blank) were a really cool concept in security breach. Shame they didn't get much screentime
I agree, I love Sun and Moon.
Moon just felt like a character just for a enemy for the daycare and then just put there at every hour and some parts of the game. Sun and Moon deserves more
I love the idea that the handprints on Sun’s back are from being hugged by kids!! Just such a cute little detail. I’m not the biggest Sun and Moon fan like everyone else is (Chicas my personal fave from the game) but Sun’s prolly a close second! They’ve got such a fun design. I’ll be so annoyed if they end up just being Afton.
I’m genuinely so bummed this game was rushed, it feels like the latter half of the game is just, so so rushed. I feel like we definitely deserved to get Sun and Moon content in the later half, it just screams that content was cut in the end. Like everything else 😅
I thought it looked like he was being pushed, maybe in tag or maybe pushing him away, because I distinctly remember a notice that a child had problems sleeping with the lights off OR on.
I personally don't like Chica and love Sun and Moon but yeah, that detail is great! 🌚🌞
Lots of theories say sun was hurting the children because of the whole hand prints but this makes so much sense if he was hugging them it explains the hand prints
I just wished afton didn't come back
There's many different theories but one of the many popular ones is where all the kids try to grab the uh hoppy thingy on his back and whenever a kid misses they yell "Miss" when they do get a hang of it they have to stay on until sun gets them off for the reason there's hand prints. All the kids always trys to get a hold of the hop on his back basically hurting him since that's a part of his endoskeleton or however you spell it- it's a very sad game for SunRise/SunDrop :(
One thing that i don't believe wasn't mentioned here.
In one of the Tales Of The Pizzaplex books, it is revealed that Sun and Moon were supposed to be a theatre act, were sun would turn into his villain alter ego when the lights were turned off.
However this idea was scrapped and he was left as the Daycare Attendat and because Fazbear Ent. Didnt wanna bother reprogramming him they just left the daycare lights on 24/7
I did see that! But I didn't know whether to add it in or not since I was on a roll. XD
Did- did I just get spoiled the whole plot of somniphobia??
@@bingolinging nope, its another story
@@FireBlock101 ok ty 😅
Bobbiedots Part 1 is the story.
I didn't really initially buy into the idea that the Daycare Attendant was yet another Afton analogue at first... until I realised that they are literally a two-faced, obsessive perfectionist who starts out yellow/orange, only to turn purple when they're particularly dangerous. Go figure.
At least Moon is a lot more intimidating than Peepaw Willy. Granted, it’s not much of an achievement, but still.
I do really like the dynamic of Sun being "uncorrupted" and vaguely aware of Moon acting differently, so the only thing he can do to avoid becoming a danger is to keep his "daytime" routine active, even when it's actually nighttime. I assume Moon was subverted specifically because he likely already had the programming to find and retrieve lost children, which is probably why Moon seeks Gregory every hour in the first place. I might be mistaken, but there seems to be evidence of Moon's behavior having been altered prior to the events of Security Breach, so it's possible that Sun's routines were specifically not tampered with in order to avoid raising suspicion among the staff.
moon is insane, sun stayed sane, leave moon dormant to regain sanity.
My best assumption is that they were in Moon form when they got hacked so the other side which wasn't active at the time didn't get infected.
@@TheOneWhoKnocks18 That's a pretty good theory, I read somewhere on a forum where someone theorised that Sun and Moon are different personality constraucts but share a database so they know which kid is supposed to be in the daycare and which isn't. That way, they can find children who have accidentally get let out of the daycare (they just slip out with another family) or escape (because sometimes kids are turds). The theory also mentioned that because of their shared database, they are vaguely aware of each other which is why Sun warns to keep the lights on because he knows that something is wrong with Moon.
Little spoiler for one of the FNAF books.
Apparently at least in the cannon of the books Sun and Moon where originally actors in the Theater. Sun good, Moon evil and when they became daycare attendants Fazbear entertainment didn't reprogram them. But in the books the staff in the daycare where never hurt by Moon and Moon was just creepy to look at and kept a close eye on them. However I doubt that even Fazbear entertainment would program Moon to be violent with anything but staff bots. So I still think that they were influenced by the Afton virus. Maybe Moon was programmed to be violent with staff bots for the theater but when the virus got involved it made Moon think that the children were staff bots. Or William took advantage of the fact that Moon is supposed to be in charge of kids by himself. In a way Moon is perfect for him because of this and the kids are easy targets for him.
A quick theory: Sun got corrupted when he became inert. That’s why he kicks you out and acts… strangely angrier. That’s why Moon randomly appears when Sun should be around when lights are on. That’s what the “putting-in-time-out” line is for.
yeah, I agree that he got corrupted in some way
@@doe9000 moon is insane but only de-triggers while insane when the one who triggered him is DEAD
If he got corrupted just like moon, then why doesn’t he attack you or do anything? After he kicks you out of the daycare, the only thing Sun does is just stop you from going back, which I think is because Gregory broke his only rule. Even as friendly and laidback as Sun is, it’s understandable for him to get angry at Gregory for breaking the only rule he had, especially when it’s likely he knows there’s something wrong with Moon (which is probably why he made that rule).
@@theitalianmexican1035 that’s fair. But he DID call the animatronics over, which is why I think this theory. Your points are all valid tho
@@forkalamari6093yeah, but nearly every robot in the pizzaplex calls the animatronics. It's very likely just what they're supposed to do when they find someone breaking the rules, and is under the assumption that the animatronic they call over will help resolve the situation, rather than try to bite your head off.
I love the Sun and Moon as a duo! I think the reason the fandom loves them so much is because of how they're connected to nostalgia. How fun it would be to color and play with Sun! Plus the fan interpretation of Moon as gentle and quiet before the glitch. I won't lie, even if it gets strange in the fandom, I love the daycare attendant!
Although with the new book we now know he was a bad guy before the afton virus just but it was made just for entertainment
The books have a way of explaining some things with absolutely baffling answers. Such as the generators being built in the play structures because, "Well, they had to be there!"
And, y'know, the Doki Doki anime waifu characters introduced in the same story. XD
...And, y'know, the fact that the whole Pizzeria is apparently controlled by a realistic tiger in an Elvis suit.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 The books were overall a mistake. But damn did they leave a permanent impact on the franchise. Huh, now that I think about it, that would make a good video.
It shall go on the list!
@@nekogamer2508 Nah I'm stile not believing moon is bad he's littrally forced to put on an act but I guess it's reassuring to know that I that logic sun's is a an act as well and plus FNAFs a pretty pick your Canon franchise so I'm hoping they go contradict themselves again
The fact that Sun is so dramatic after Gregory turns off the lights is probably because the Daycare Attendant used to be a part of the main show, where the lights would go out, giving Moon his time to act, while Freddy and the gang try to stop him by turning the lights on. Just a leftover bit of coding
I thought Moon being hacked by Afton was canon. As well as the other animatronics, other than Freddy. Also, Sun and Moon directly parallel Vanessa and Vanny. There's a bunch of comparisons people have made, even down to design. I don't think it necessarily means anything, but it's weird that they'd make sets of characters so similar in the same game.
Does that mean in Ruin Vanny and Vanessa will become one just like Eclipse? Vanessa be like “I wanna kill children even if I’m not influenced by a Murder Rabbit Glitch!” That would be cool actually.
Sun and Moon are interesting to me because they're one of the only truly original animatronic characters, and their gimmick is an interesting idea in any setting, but here it's done well, even if poorly later on. It's face is eerie but not creepy, and even can be endearing. I like how everyone else is possessed by Afton but he's just being himself, good or evil.
I find it amusing how Moon sounds a lot more calm and not as threatening compared to Sun when he says the time out line
I’m mad because the new books epilogues started with a group of teenagers at a CIRCUS and sneaking into an under construction building with a small location underneath, so sadly I think funko leaked it again. Also in the books it also says that the sun and moon were an act in the theater area which explains the jester-like theme of the daycare attendant.
...I'm going to laugh so hard if we literally fall into the Pizzaplex in Ruin. XD
It would be a tragedy if Eclipse turns out to be another Willy insert, but at this point… with the evidence there is… I don’t think we should honestly expect anything else. Bear in mind that the popularity of Sun and Moon wasn’t expected, so if Scott and Steel Wool had plans to make Eclipse Willy that isn’t gonna change without a stupid retcon that will most definitely not explain the clues pointing to Eclipse being Afton.
Either they retcon it but leave the clues to be forgotten and never again addressed for pure fan service or they stick with their original ideas.
Dunno what I prefer, since they couldn’t’ve anticipated the popularity of the Daycare Attendant. Personally I’m not that attached to those two. They’re neat, but like most fnaf characters lack substance and are built up way more by the fandom than the actual game proper. Guess we’ll have to hope for the best. Or not, if we don’t wanna be disappointed.
Kudos on the video! Everything is improving with each upload! Keep going, you’re doing phenomenally, Mable!
Don't worry. Silly Willy is the silly stalking bear that watches over CC/GGY.
if it ain't afton it doesn't exist
it's all afton? always has been
bees
@@ExValeFor Sammy Emily could potentially be the true Springtrap the whole time, since William was canonically obsessed with Michael in the Survival logs and would be the last person to hurt him.
@@justice8718 Lol no
After playing ruined the eclipse protocol makes sense it’s a program making sure the child is safe incase of an emergency
I’ll always be so sad that Security Breach was released as effectively half of a game. All of the potential is RIGHT THERE
UNEXPECTED!? THEY ARE literally the only characters in the whole fnaf series that have that unique character design. They stand out like a sore thumb.
Bizarre coincidence, but DMuted did the same topic today. You’re both some of my favorite newer, smaller channels. ❤️ I hope we get to see Sun/Moon in Ruin!
O.o That is a shock! I did mine because of the poll, but it's likely because we have some of the same viewers suggesting videos. XD
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 The real fun happens when I notice differences in perspectives and ideas. It’s amazing how people can make content on the same subject but it can turn out so different and new!
I was just about to say that too
She’s actually the third person to do a sun/moon video today. Fate has a serious sense of humor
@@Vinesus who’s the third? Always willing to look into a small channel and give it some views and love.
* laughs in knowing the dlc*
I think one thing people would love, after the origins of course, is the relationship between Sun and Moon before the virus, or just in general.
I’d love to know if it’s a 2 people in one body situation, or a dual personality situation (same person with different personality chips), or a Jekyll and Hyde situation, and I’d love to know, if it is a 2 people one body thing, how the other sees the other.
Like, were they friends? Family? Weird coworkers who are forced to work together? Is Moon a bully to Sun? Does Sun like Moon in some way? Can they even communicate?? If not, how did they become aware of each other’s presence? Are they aware of the other but Moon doesn’t care and Sun does NOT want to meet Moon??
If it’s a duel personality situation, does that mean that Sun and Moon are just masks for the same person? Or do they still both count as separate people with their own wants and desires?
If it’s a Jekyll/Hyde situation, what KIND of Jekyll and Hyde situation?? Is it that Sun can just be themselves when they’re Moon, like in the original novel, or is Moon a super powered evil side who has developed on their own? Or are they literally 2 halves of the same person, Sun being the “good” side of the Daycare Attendant and Moon being the “evil” side of the Daycare Attendant. Like Sun and Moon used to be the Daycare Attendant as a whole but the Daycare Attendant was split in half to create Sun and Moon in a “Jekyll splitting himself in half” situation.
The relationship between the two is so inconspicuous. It confuses me a lot, because a lot of people depict them as separate entities in the same body in fanfiction and stuff, even having them refer to the other as a brother, but is that actually the case?? What if they are just the same person? It might seem obvious but it’s way more complicated the further you delve into the possibilities.
They are coworkers as actors before they became daycare attendant
I do see fan-comics of those 2 interacting while 1 of them is a voice in their head.
(as well as a separate comic of what would happen if 1 of them lost the other after the Pizzaplex burned down. featuring Eclipse, just to make things more interesting.)
I am surprise you also didn't go in more of the concept of them being originally part of the theater robots, not even using the books, but just with the sun and moon masks showing more design of comedy and tragedy.
By time I remembered it, I couldn't think of a good place to add it into the video. Since this video is more on Eclipse and such... Plus, who knows if the TotP will ever make it into the games. It likely IS true, but I don't encourage having to look to an outside source for answers.
*Cough* Balan Wonderworld.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 yeah, that is why suggest the sun and moon mask as it is odd other masks you collect are 3d models yet theirs is hand drawn with a smile and a frown, representing more theater masks
As far as Sun and Moon, I wish / hope they survive the fire and get to do something. I'm okay with the idea of the Glitchtrap virus piggybacking, if it does not erase them from the story. Perhaps Sun could be "Helping" while Moon is sabotaging and neither knows what the other is doing.
Sun and moon are used throughout the game as an analogy to vanessa and Vanny, two completely different "persons" inhabiting the same body, the sun is responsible, organized and tender despite of being obstinate and concerned about safety protocols. the moon in the other hand is relentless, agressive, intimidating, pursuer, and only cares about one thing "Bad kid must be found, bad kid must be punished", they're clearly opposites, and "whos in command" of the body shifts all the time, even the collectibles related to them can be found mostly in places connected to vanny or Vanessa
I do think Sun and Moon are definitely an analogy to Vanny and Vanessa but not really in a literal sense. I personally don’t buy into the belief that Vanessa has a split personality that is Vanny. We see in the retro CDs that Vanessa; fully being Vanessa, is talking with Afton and is very defensive whenever her conversations with him are brought up by her therapists. Plus, the messages that Vanessa gets from patient 46 (Gregory under Glitchtrap’s influence) are quote on quote “manipulative in nature”. Implying that Afton is actively manipulating Vanessa to do what he says. If Vanny was simply just a split personality that was completely evil and had no implications on Vanessa’s actually moral decisions. Why do we see Vanessa being scared of Afton? Unwilling at first but slowly becomes corrupted, both morally and psychologically. She’s labeled first as a “Reluctant Follower” in VR. Who is slowly warps into more of a “Willing Follower” as her mind is broken by Afton prior to Security Breach. The only reason Vanessa’s a security guard in the first place is because she NEEDS to be at the Pizzaplex carrying out Afton’s wishes. She has zero prior qualifications for the position. If she weren’t under Afton’s Influence, she’d just quit. Heck, if she had a split personality that she has no control over. Why would she even be willing to stay at the Pizzaplex; actively performing her duties as a night guard? She has no motivation to, outside of her working for Afton.
(Sorry for getting kinda ranty. I just really wanted to talk about this-)
Fans latching on to the weirdest, most scrunkly side characters, or (as I like to call it) The Sans Undertale Effect.
If they decide to make the Daycare Attendant another vessel for Willy, I feel that they have to do it with a lot of care. I don’t want them to throw away the character and just have Afton speak through him; I want Steel Wool to be smart about it. The Eclipse could work possessed by Afton, but not if he’s just another Springtrap. Have remnants of Sun and Moon’s original personalities seep through Afton’s control. Go into depth about how they both feel about Afton looming over their conscience. Have them express their guilt and let them be more than just a villain. If Afton is completely in control of the two personalities, I don’t think it could work. If Eclipse ends up being a major character in the DLC, then I reckon he could be the aftermath of Gregory shattering the Daycare Attendant, leaving him vulnerable to Afton. Eclipse could be the result of Sun and Moon getting so damaged that they don’t have the capacity to keep Afton under enough control to still function as their own people. If Eclipse is just Afton, then it should be done with sympathy towards Sun and Moon. I don’t want Afton to be controlling them, but if he is then it has to be done right.
THIS!! EXACTLY THIS!!!
That would actually be amazing to see
Really nice video, Eclipse being the shattered version of Sun&Moon would be pretty cool, yeah!
But yeah, another case of "it was Afton all along" would be a bit annoying, plus I'd prefer Glitchtrap to be its own character separated from the other relatively important ones. Imagine if he was posessing a special modified Staff Bot, now THAT would be pretty interesting!
15:29 okay consider this: the circus is ON TOP of the Pizzaplex, which is ON TOP of the the FFPS pizzeria, which could be ON TOP of Fazbear Fright/the Fnaf 1 pizzeria, which could be ON TOP of the Security Breach location to top it all of. We're talking wedding cake levels of building layers here.
@@ItsLeBridge *bam* oh no
*bam* Oh no
*bam* Oh no no no no no
@@ItsLeBridge *New nightmare unlocked**
If this ends up happening? I swear, the fans are just going to throw away the entire Canon.
@@Worm_Void yup
@@Worm_Void I really don’t care about the canon and lore anymore, I just prioritize gameplay and funne funne animatronics at this point.
actually , eclipse is an angel
Actually, Eclipse is my child and I will protect him and wrap him in a warm blanket.
Eclipse is Evil. He literally lets You out to die in the pizzaplex and instead of helping cassie just like how freddy helped gregory, he doesnt help her and he also doesnt keep cassie in the daycare which is safe and even locks the door. Plus the mimic tells us to reboot the daycare attendant making him in Eclipse, and why would the mimic help us? It's also worth to note Eclipse kills us in balloon world.
The fact that if you play RUIN eclipse is actually so freaking adorable and nice
If they made Sun&Moon into an "Afton Embodiment," to make it work, they would have to make the character be more than just a new vessel. For example, the original 2 personalities partially merging with Afton's and becoming the "Eclipse" personality. Allowing for Eclipse to become the new antagonist in some way. Letting Afton be Eclipsed by the new Villain
honestly i really like this idea, the idea of ALL THREE losing parts of themselves and not just "oh yea sun and moon are gone now its just afton", i feel like afton would HATE suns personality and the idea of having to deal with losing himself and becoming more like that would JUST BE SO LIKE ?? ITD BE A REALLY GOOD STORY
that's a really neat concept! though, it made me immediately think of a goofy scenario where all three personalities remain in tact and are CONSTANTLY active at the same time and are bickering with each other like theyre in a sitcom.
@wazzupy uwu IT would certainly not have all the personalities intact. I imagine a "human"/Inhuman personality joining with not just 1 but 2 artificial personalities would result in the personalities all merging and parts that don't merge become lost or pseudo locked away.
@@wazzupyuwu I would so watch a show about William, Sun, and Moon, as three separate individuals. The hijinks that would ensue...
Well, you were right about Eclipse showing up in Ruin. Just not in the way or shape that anyone would've expected.
What I find funny is that eclispe kinda exists within gameplay (or at least I like to call this glitch eclipse) where if you use the fazcam on sun and then let him catch you he’ll turn into a bald sun and jumpscare you (the same thing happens with peepaw’s stinky feet). Given that the secret minigame is also accessed through camera shenanigans its really fun to say that the minigame was foreshadowing the bald sun glitch ^^
I never really approached the fan fiction depicting the daycare attendant as two separate entities, as I find it examining him as a case of severe dipolar disorder as much more compelling than two opposing characters forced to interact through circumstance. Eclipse by extension is the attendant finally back on his meds, now that we know that Eclipse is a sane and balanced blend of the psychotic Moon and neurotic Sun.
This is a good idea, although I find it super funny that the person coding eclipse was like: "you know what would be funny?”
As an active member of the Daycare Attendant community, I can guarantee you that if the DA is another body of Glitchtrap, the community around the scrunkly jesters will most likely separate themselves (together with the characters) from the game and the canon, and just build a denied universe or their "own accepted canon" where this doesn't happen.
Most part of the Daycare Attendant fandom are literally in love with the idea of Sun being such a comparison to Afton = one is a child murderer, the other one is a child protector.
Obviously I can't say this for sure, but I could literally see that the Sun & Moon fans will most likely just decide to "adopt" the characters and distance them from the original source. They're such big comfort characters for many people, that making them a host to Afton is not gonna be taken well.
(Again, just my opinon, I am mostly speaking from my own experience and interactions within the Sun&Moon fandom.)
absolutely. we would decide that steel wool has lost author privileges and just make up more and more AUs, taking elements of things we do like from canon LMAO
Sheesh that’s a lot of words
so...what's the SM Fandom's thoughts on RUIN's Eclipse?👀
@@SnoFitzroy From what I've seen so far, Ruin!Eclipse is considered to be precious and deserves to be loved and protected at all costs.
I love how they thought eclipse would be the most evil character beside William but in the dlc he is nicer than sun or Freddy
I don't know if I'd say he's nicer than Freddy. He says hello and then sort of yeets Cassie out of the daycare for safety reason. XD At least Freddy stuck with his child a bit longer.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 well if not for safe mode
I thought they would be like be like season 2 collector so very childish but still evil
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I think they're still fighting over control due if you look at how sun says: "Thank you" in a sort of pained voice. Eclipse is just the "Safe" mode incase anything were to happen
Eclipse literally lets out cassie to die in the pizzaplex, doesnt help cassie how freddy helped gregory, doesnt let cassie in the daycare which is safe, and even locks the daycare so cassie cant enter. Plus the mimic literally tells us to reboot the daycare attendant making him in Eclipse, and why would the mimic help us? Not to mention Eclipse kills us in Balloon World.
Tell me how that isnt evil
Though not the best option for the fandom or in general. Sadly it would make the most sense for Afton to want to take control of Moon. William loves killing kids, and taking over an animatronic that is supposed to be left alone with children during their naptime would be a gold mine for him.
Am I the only one who just wants to play and paint with Sun? He seems like so much fun. I would just keep the lights on and everything fine🥰🤞❤
I would love to play with the Sun. 🥺 He strikes me as someone who would be great at puzzles.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 i wonder how fast sun could solve a Rubiks cube’s
I really hope ruin is not just Spooky Scary jubk and scrap corridors like the sewer segments in Security Breach, I want there to be a cool big open horror game again not just dark dull corridors like maybe there could be like sort of blacklight areas and stuff to make like colors go crazy. Would work well with the eclipsed daycare attendant. What would be cool is what if he's on your side at the start scared broken and abandoned you become his support then at the halfway he gets exlipsed and everything gets flipped on it's head
I love coming back to videos before ruin and seeing how wrong/ right people were
This person was right, Eclipse is evil because Eclipse let You do die in the pizzaplex instead of helping you like freddy helped gregory or keep cassie inside of the daycare. Eclipse also locks the door so cassie cant enter the daycare which is safe. Plus the mimic literally says that You should reboot the daycare attendant making him in Eclipse, and why would the mimic want to help cassie? It's also worth to note that Eclipse kills us in balloon World.
everyone: eclipse is a twisted unstable individual
me: no heed be extremally passive aggressive
eclipse: I am a very normal man with a very normal personality
Now with the Ruin teaser this video makes sense
Eclipse in the trailer looked so freaky...
I like the idea of eclipse being it’s own character with a kind and defensive personality,where it will aggressively protect itself or children. Sun is kind but,let’s be real,a pushover who’s never been a threat to anyone and Moon is aggressive and dangerous without a kind wire in it’s body. Eclipse is the perfect mix buuuut maybe it’s not finished and is only protecting Sun,Moon and itself?
The Daycare Attendant is my favorite animatronic in Security Breach. It makes me so sad that he gets pushed away to the sidelines. You could do so much with the character! He has one of the best sections in the game in my opinion and I am surprise in the lack of theories surrounding him. (Considering that he directly parallels Vanny and Vanessa)
I never thought about him being a vessel for Afton but my! I must say I am impressed! Although I am not sure how to feel about it, it makes sense-
I just wish that he can get more screen time in Ruin, I’d be happy just hearing his voice again ^w^
He could be my housemate ngl
Personally, I just,, can't see Moon/The Daycare Attendant being possessed by Afton. There's too many things I think don't add up, most notably: they didnt really have any planned merch. You'd think that a new Afton pawn would have at least an action figure or something planned, like what they did with Vanny.
Some other things that don't add up:
-purple is often associated with the night and space due to the fact that space has a lot of purple in it, so that could be why there is so much purple
-Vanny having a Moon bed isn't really too surprising, he was the nap time animatronic, so he'd likely have bedtime items like blankets-- or maybe the blanket came from the daycare itself
-I've seen a lot of people associate the Stichwrath story with Golden Freddy and it's theorized inhabitants (Cassidy and Evan), which obviously could be wrong as it relies on another theory, but it's still worth mentioning
-It also just,, wouldn't make sense. Surely they'd hype Moon up more, right? Like I said, there was never any leaked figurines like with Vanny and Vanessa.
Despite this, it is fnaf, which isn't exactly shy with pulling things from no where, so who knows :')
Wow, the Eclipse theory for the Ruin DLC actually makes a lot of sense to me! It ties a lot of pieces that look random, its the best I've seen of all the videos until now
I'm hoping for this DLC to be really good, since apparently Steel Wool is listening to fans' complains and what they liked most
This definitely aged like fine milk.
Exquisite milk
Eclipse is Evil. He left You to die outside of the daycare instead of helping you like freddy did or keep him in the daycare. Plus even The Mimic says to reboot to make him in Eclipse and why would the mimic want to help cassie? It's obvious Eclipse is evil
@@calinmik429he didn’t know.
I think Afton-moon could've worked. IF it was built up more, AND there was no burntrap.
As it is, with burntrap and all, Afton possessing moon or whatever just feels weird and redundant. And it's not like they're going to just go back and remove burntrap from the game somehow.
But if Moon was the way Afton came back- and the only way, so no burntrap or anything. Or, at the very least, the main way. -It would be cool to see a completely different form of Afton for once (Instead of just always coming back in a rotting, yellow bonnie suit. At least help wanted did something interesting, making Glitchtrap more like a rabbit costume, instead of a robot).
Of course it would've also needed better setup, and they'd need to take the concept somewhere more than just 'Afton is back again', but I think there is some reality where it *could* work.
It's definitely not this reality though.
Did you know theres a Moon version of Eclipse called Lunar?
Bro predicted the ruin dlc and eclipse is the perfect attendant
Personally, I wish they'd just cut Afton away. Keep Vanny as a spiritual successor to the previous killer
While I know that Moon was made to be Sun's evil alter ego, I headcannon way too hard and have decided that Moon was made to watch over the kids during nap time, and was originally quite calm, the opposite of Sun's hyperactive 'playtime' personality. He turned violent when Vanny's influence got to him, but Sun wasn't affected for some reason. So Sun, scared of Moon doing something to the kids they both love so dearly, declared the lights to stay on until he can fix Moon's "attitude problem"
Its funny how eclipse end up being such a nice guy
Surprisingly, eclipse was the most stable out of the two
I think the moon wasn’t like we see him in present day but he was nice but due to the virus it increased his worst tendencies
I think I messed up my wording
“Purple the color of the devil himself”
The devil: I take offense to that, my color is Red
I go with the option that the Eclipse is related to Afton in some way, either being a third personality created by the virus or a direct manifestation of Glitchtrap.
I personally think that Moon isn't really possed, but that the virus influence turned him more aggresive and sinister (kinda like Monty's anger issues let him to basically want to kill a child and Freddy with his bare hands).
Yeah either way I prefer that over moon actually being evil cause the idea/theory of him being a victim has been entwined in me for a very longtime basically I believe moon was targeted because moon was alone and isolated.
@@eternallylearning2811 moondrop is insane, both are posessed, moondrop can recover, sun is sane
i know because dimension travel
These guys need more screen time and knowing more details about them and returning on ruin.
Its funny how basically everyone assumed that eclipse would be evil. It honestly makes more sense but also eclipse should be a mix instead of being all of one and what was moon like before the glitchtrap virus?
I always thought that weird scream was the staff bots going absolutely mental ripping up Freddy cause that ain't no Freddy scream I ever heard
Yeah exactly like, yo Freddy you good?? Did we give you the wrong voice box??
Ruin opens up with a flashback to that scene, but then we see Sun watching it from the sidelines screaming because Freddy just became a big mess. XD
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 My thought at the end of the game was how pissed Sun/Moon is going to be when they see the state of the entire pizzeria haha
Honestly, I’d be so down if the Attendant becomes a more constant villain.
But my lord I do not want them being another “Afton ALWAYS comes back” moment.
Well turns out Eclipse isn’t evil at all lol.
Actually he still is Evil, he left You to die outside of the daycare instead of helping You like Freddy did with gregory or keeping Cassie in the daycare. It's a huge hint Eclipse is evil
The Daycare attendant is literally yellow in his sun form and blue/purple in his moon form. This directly parallels how William talks in yellow and blue text in fruity maze. I don’t think I’d be too disappointed if he turns out to be William especially if they keep Sun the way he is. I think it could make this Jekyll & Hyde situation a bit more interesting if one side is the killer we all know and love(?)
This perfectly encapsulates what's wrong with Security Beach: the best parts of the game are cut. The most interesting talking points are cut. And there's so much that was cut.
I feel like half the reason people like sun&moon so much is the voice actor. Seems the fnaf fandom is really into any character he voices XD
I think it's because he does such a good job. 83
Oh my god if Eclipse ends up being another fursona for Afton I think I might just die on the spot
So turns out Eclipse is actually really nice 😂
I like Afton, but it will be a shame, if Sun/Moon will be closely connected to him or manipulated by him.
I think Glitchtrap was the last good role of the Afton, and developers need to give him a rest already and have other villains to be just villains, that are not controlled by him.
that’s true but how would they go about it? Will it just be someone who’s obsessed by his creations and wants to replicate what he’s doing? which is the old cliche story when trying to add new villains.
I’m done watching five nights videos most of my life I’ve been watching it since I was 5 or 4 years old this is one of my favorite topics in the world FNAF
I love that Sun/Moon have bells on them for deaf children to find them and canonically know sign language
I love the sun and moon cause chaotic clown/jesters are my favorite thing 😂
Same! ^_^
sun being hugged by toddlers is sooooo adorable i can't cope with it!!!! another reason added to love my skrunkly boy, and you're totally right the whole daycare area and the attendants is so deep in nostalgia and being a small child in malls child care facilities and liminal space, also the voice acting added so much to the character being hyper and loving but also unnerving.
Sun and moon gotta be one of my favorite fnaf characters. I just love the goofiness of sun and the disturbance of moon and I would love to see what eclipse would look like in canon. But I definitely don't want sun and moon to be another vessel for afton that would probably just make me throw my TV across the room.
Well... this didn't age well with ruin
I have a theory that the daycare attendant is actually Jeremy and Gabriel choosing to stay together.
(Please forgive formatting, I copied this from my reddit post on the topic)
- A Jeremy is actively mentioned in FNAF-VR as a character who loses his face (Similar to withered bonnie) potentially acting as set up for his return in SB
- A Jeremy is mentioned in the Comedy Stylings of Staffbot in a potential hint to the MCI Jeremy's murder story
- I believe that Jeremy is in the Moon side of the Daycare attendant, co-possessing with Gabriel as the sun. This is based on their connected grave stones, how they were Freddy/Bonnie together, and how sun/moon as a pair follow the colour scheme of Freddy/Bonnie
- I think Jeremy is the moon because he is one of the most consistently aggressive animatronics and actually designed to be scary (similar to Bonnie being the most aggressive animatronic in FNAF1) and the moon is missing half of his face like withered bonnie and Jeremy from the tapes.
- Both withered freddy and withered bonnie have two buttons on their chest, as does the daycare attendant in both forms
- If comedy staffbot is to be believed then we can assume Jeremy died after being left at the pizzeria daycare for too long after his parents left, which would make sense with moons behavior
- Freddy in FNAF 1 (Assumed to be Gabriel) warns you before killing you if power dies, and sun warns you something is wrong before he changes when the power/lights in the daycare go out.
- The personality of the sun and of FNAF1 freddy are remarkably similar. Upbeat, sticklers for the rules, and energetic but loving to mock and taunt the player.
- A root name of Jeremy, Jerahmeel, means "moon of god" which is just a fun coincidence
- In the Fazbear Frights story "Into The Pit" a girl named Gabrielle plays a key role in convincing Oswald to go against the "evil rabbit". Connecting a person named Gabrielle to a story about a ball pit and then Sun/Moon's space having a giant ball pit may be a coincidence, but it also may not be.
- Sun and Moon are voiced by Kellen Goff (sorry if that is misspelled) and so are a variety of freddies, so potentially that connects them too.
This is a crazy theory. But I’m oddly down for it?
To add to this (somewhat) rabbits are closely associated with the Moon in some instances. Especially in mythology, where it is said that the markings in the moon are in the form of a rabbit that assists goddesses in lunar cycles. It might not mean anything but yk it’s there
I always had the idea that the spirits in FNaF who don't move on at first can't be FORCED to. Cassidy absolutely refused to, and if MatPat's weird "villain Elizabeth" theory is true she didn't move on when she easily could have. I just think that there's certain requirements that allow them the option if they want to take it.
Seeing you post this made me realize even more that all the MCI spirits have seen William come back from crazy tough things, so they might just stick behind to make sure nothing goes TOO wrong (it's Fazbear Entertainment, so something going wrong outside of child murder is a guarantee).
There's actually a note in the game that you can find that days that sun and moon were not originally not the daycare attendants but we're tricked into being it after an employee trapped them there so they just sort of made him the daycare attendant
I also love the fact that everyone draws Eclipse different.
My personal version is a broken down fusion between the 2. Stuck in the middle of the change, Sun now can see what has been affecting Moon's code and can attempt to help pull it out. This makes him unpredictable by nature as he's literally trapped with both programs active.
Eclipse is easily my favorite because I love Kellens voice and the concept of two personalities in one character is cool for fnaf. He’s definitely the most unique next to Roxy and Freddy
No but the Daycare Attendant being another fucking iteration of Afton would be the actual worst thing they could do to the character, and not just because I’m sick of William’s bullshit. It’s because of the touch of Puppet to their concept.
A lanky, androgynous, nightmarish clown thing that should by all rights not be able to endear itself to small children and has a design and aesthetic that completely clashes with the rest of the animatronics to boot? Sounds way too much like my favorite animatronic in the whole series - an animatronic that’s become so important to the lore in such an anti-Afton way that she got her own separate send-off in _Pizzeria Simulator_ - to be at all worth tainting with Purple Guy. Just no. I refuse.
But I do absolutely love the Eclipse-as-Shattered Sun concept you brought up. It makes sense, too! I’m thinking that the Eclipse state would be the one time Sun’s *“I’m putting you in time out!”* would happen - maybe in areas of the PizzaPlex that are well-lit enough to bring Sun’s voice back even if they can’t shift their form anymore. Sun managed to sound _utterly furious_ in that line, something even “Rule-breaker, rule-breaker!” doesn’t accomplish. Sure, he sounds angry and firm, but not ‘about to completely lose it’ unhinged like “time out” does.
That said, I feel like them having the screentime they did have was probably just enough for them to amass the following they’ve gotten. It wasn’t so limited that you forgot they were even in the game like with Vanny, but it also wasn’t so involved that they became too wrapped up in FNAF for people to enjoy them on their own the way we are quite happily able to do.
And really, they’re just way too cool a concept in their own right. Steel Wool, please don’t doom them with Afton-jacking. I want to see them shine (no pun intended) and continue being awesome on their own. 🌞🌜
Sun and moon have completely consumed the fnaf tag on Tumblr. You've got to actively scroll for any non jester content.
They got ZERO screentime yet they have such a large fanbase! They deserve MORE
I really hope the backlash at Afton's return being so strong to begin with will dash any potential of them tainting the good boys with more demon bunny energy. But man, you struck fear in me with that idea. That'd be a "nobody liked that" moment indeed.
I really hope we get to see a withered version of sun/moon cause moon’s whole level was great and was pretty scary so a withered version of them and the DJ music man would be the scariest of the returning animatronics turned withered.
I got literal goosebumps watching this. I agree with your another suit for Afton to slip into though. Would make me like the skrunklies less, or just be mad at Steel Wool while denying it ever happened.
Coming here after the dlc dropped and revealed eclipse was actually a sweetheart feels weirdly surreal
We were so wrong lol
I think the current Eclipse is definitely a result of wanting to appease the fans more than the plan the whole time. That would explain why his section in Ruin is so... strangely inserted.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476
No I don’t think so.
Remember, there are two kinds of eclipse.
Solar and Lunar.
Since Suns personality dominantly shows in this version of Eclipse, I believe the eclipse we see in game should be considered the “lunar eclipse”.
Something that supports this theory is the Eclipse we see in BBs Air Adventure.
It has a completely dark face. Drastically different from the eclipse we see in game.
So I think the Solar eclipse version of Eclipse would be the “Evil” eclipse we where all expecting. The eclipse where moon’s personality dominates.
Those who don’t remember how eclipses work refresher:
Solar eclipse:
Moon covers the sun
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Lunar Eclipse:
The moon is covered by the earth
(Very basic definitions, but it helps draw the parallels)
I think we’ll see a “Solar” eclipse in the likely SB 2.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476
Also :
A solar Eclipse turns the moon “black”, which is similar to the eclipse we see in BBs Air Adventure.
Sun & Moon's section of the original game wasn't much of anything either. You only went in there to get to Freddy & Moon was only around to say "find a station or face the Boogeyman". Music Man as well though.
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The sun/moon are really the only creepy character in Security Breach imo
if the daycare attendant ends up being afton i will commit crimes punishable by death
theyre such a goofy character who has some of the best designs in the entire franchise, rivaling even withered bonnie/chica :')
Welp looks like you were right about eclipse being shattered form for moon and sun since he in ruin dlc trailer
freddy's cut disassemble scream sounds disturbingly bear-like, god i love kellen
It seems like every breath that kellen goff breathes turns into a new franchise fan favorite or a hyperfixation character
well this theory didn't age well
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I know the time out line was for Gregory, but I can't help but think it would also fit with each other, Sun puts moon in timeout when lights are on and vice versa
The only way I'd accept Afton being a part of sun and moon is that they switch so much they are one of the first that can actively fight off Afton to leave them alone and help the character
2:17 You basically just described Sun the same way I describe my grandparents. 🤣
I think the reason why they cut out the concept of Freddy being dissassembled by his own band mates is due to those edgy springlock kids (those who think springlocks are slow and painful) starting to make a bunch of garbage out of it as if "OMG.. IMAGINE BEING DESTROYED BY YOUR FRIENDS KNOWING THEY CANNOT RESIST THE CORRUPTION..."
your vids are a huge breath of fresh air man, there's been a pretty big lack in deep-dives into fnaf characters and lore for ages now, keep up the cool shit
Right?? Quality content in such trying times in the FNAF fandom. I came for their Dsaf playthroughs and staying for the analysis video essays. The variety is amazing.
Thank you so much! 8D
If my boys end up just being another Afton suit I’m starting some shit on tumblr and we’re breaking into steel wool studios.
Is it just me or did Moon sound like Crosshair for Star Wars: The Bad Batch when he said "I'm putting you in time out"
Sun and Moon feel like what every mascot horror game is trying to be. They could legit carry their own horror game.
We don't need another vessel for Old Man Will to inhabit again.
I don't need my children to be thrown away after, just like Baby.
(Also great video! I agree with most all of it!)
The ruin game destroys all of this theory
FNaF has never made me feel discomfort before but something about Eclipse's sprite is like.., hmm,