To the USA people who need to wake up and care: I lived and worked in Japan and noticed the difference in work ethics ! All I heard from many American hires is "that's not my job or I don't care" and they are the ones who didn't last long. The old fashioned "Americans will get it done" attitude needs to be nurtured and promoted. Don't talk about not getting paid enough, talk about and appreciating the current job and how it will open doors of opportunity. Believe me, someone of influence is watching! I've promoted many thorough breds and talked to donkeys to show them how to improve (or let them go, if no change).
Aiko Fujita Great advice! Older people look for good qualities and want to pass down knowledge or offer opportunity. Always work hard and let everything else fall into place!
+Daniel Cannata Did you actually watch the video? He's right; I live it. I work with a bunch of "donkeys" and I know for a fact I would not be the first to go out of the group. I also find a lot of satisfaction of owning my job, not just doing it.
Texas Trad The worst is when you are a leader and those around you aren't. You can't carry the slack for everybody forever. Setting boundaries is a must but often shamed in toxic work cultures. I left and now have my own business. Lol
@david czapla - Why would you look to a leader to guide you? Mankind is imperfect. You will get to a point in your life where YOU are the leader. Only you can lead the way and only you can follow. If you are committed and motivated, people will look to you as a leader and you may find yourself in that position rather than following.
I worked for a company once that wanted me to ghost-write a book in 17 days and kept interrupting me to type letters for the CEO. (I am a fairly good editor and writer, but a lousy secretary.) When I developed pneumonia during this period of time, they patted themselves on the back for allowing me to work only part-time for a few days. Sometimes employees get abused by owners/CEOs who are psychopaths. Before you jettison someone who objects to what you ask him/her to do, ask yourself if you are treating that person fairly and using his/her talents in a reasonable manner.
As an employee, you work for them. You need to do what they request from you. If you feel your talent is being wasted there. Just move on to another company. It's really that simple. You don't get the choice of what function you do. This is exactly what dave just said. You think Dave as the CEO should be setting up chairs for a function. No, but he does it because it has to get done.
@@drewnyc5816 Not all ceo's are like Dave. Many take advantage of employees when they know jobs are scarce. Sometimes thoroughbreds get treated like donkeys, and the owner is their only food source.
@@drewnyc5816 Job descriptions exist because of people like you. It's one thing to chip in and another to be pulled from duties you need to perform to do duties outside of your position, then get chastised for not doing your original job.
At my workplace the saying goes "the more you know the more they ask. Therefore I know nothing" if you are competent you get pushed and pushed to do more and more, then something extra comes up and the managers run to the people with the highest workload to do a little more. Meanwhile there are wall to wall mediocre "the more you know, I know nothing" people as far as the eye can see that are completely invisible. Until something fails and suddenly there are fingers all pointed straight at the people who "should have known" because they aren't the know nothing people. Favourite quote ever, a supervisor was on days off and got blamed for an accident because he "shouldn't have taken time off, and should have been there so that it didn't happen" yeah that just happened, I suddenly forgot how to do anything.
The company I work for tried to get me to do a menial job for 'just 3 months'. HA! I've worked here long enough to know that means NOTHING. it was a job nobody would do, so since I had a choice I said I didn't know how to do that job so I would not be able to jump in save the day really fast. It was a tough thing to say, but I was not going to go backwards in my career, being stuck in a dead end situation for 10 years 'tilI retire.
In my experience the "leader" typically creates an environment that encourages people not to care. It usually involves open disrespect for employees, favoritism, or being unreasonable. You might, for example, give your employee a pile of tasks that have to get done today no matter what, then have them spend the entire day in a meeting. So the honest hard-working employee that does care and is willing to take on any job misses the opportunity to have dinner with his wife and kids to stay late and finish. You make that a regular occurrence and you create a "bad" employee.
Bc they know you cannot do better, like any bad relationship you stay with. If it's so awful, LEAVE. Find the job you believe you deserve, if you are so good at what you do, and the market is rife with your kind of job, MOVE. Otherwise, you are absolutely stuck, you cannot do better, and you need to adopt an attitude of gratitude. It does no good to add to the toxicity.
My coworker quit because he was the one everyone went to for a task since they knew he would do it, and do it quickly and correct. There weren't enough hours in his life to take on that much work.
Doing something that is "not your job" to cover for someone's laziness is the fast track to being taken advantage of in any business small or big. Caring is what leads to burnout while others manipulate you. Management can be very manipulative just to get the job done they don't care who does the work regardless of how it gets done--hence good workers leave and the bad stays. The odds are people who "don't care" or say "it's not my job" has been taken advantage of whether they're a donkey or a thoroughbred.
I usually just set a boundary on what I can and can't do. I'll help if able but not if it costs my sanity or enables a tool. I've let them suffer the consequences of their laziness and it's pretty funny.
Then learn skills, grow your competency, gain a reputation as a hard worker, and then when the time is right move on from a place that takes advantage of you.
I am surprised that Dave Ramsey doesn’t advise what to do when a person willing to do work beyond his/her job description is taken advantage of. This is common scenario in the workplace.
Understaffed and over worked can happen in a small businesses and you should work through it with your mgmt but them taking day's off in that situation is unexceptionable
A lot of people don't care because of bad management at some jobs. I work at a place where "I don't care" is used every day by the employees. The managers do not set a good example and most importantly they don't care either, so no one has the initiative to care because if they did no one would notice.
“It’s not my job.” Was the most used line in the union environment I used to work in. They literally got off on doing the minimum and patted themselves on the back as if they were doing the maximum. Apathy might be the only thing outnumbering stupidity in this world.
Issue with that is... you agreed to receive that pay when hired.... I have seen people start out as a bagger, then get promoted to manager in 18 months, because they worked the best job they could.
@@candle-queen5644 The problem with that statement is that many more stories exist of the thoroughbred working the best job they could and their company laughing all the way to the bank. Also, what if you work behind closed doors? If no one from the outside public can see your extra effort, how will you get stolen? This advice works for some situations, but for others you just have to decide that it is time to leave that barn...
Must explain why some people don’t pick up the slack and wonder around. If someone is close to retirement age making less than $20/hr and has been at the job for 20 years just doing the same thing and nothing else why wonder they don’t pull their weight.
Some companies like to break law, I had my far share complaining to OSHA at them. I had a janitorial job , boss wanted me to clean public restroom without protection. Women like to say men leave bathroom dirty. Well women leave dirty tampons and blood on toilet seat. I was written up for disobeying a order. I was glade they let me go, the company didn't care about my health.
This is so true my wife went from working at a restaurant when she was 17 years old to being a restaurant GM and now she's running multiple restaurants but she's honest hard-working intelligent and fair that gets you places in life not fast you can't be lazy about it but eventually it will get you somewhere
I needed to hear this. I'm not dogging folks out. But I've really tried to be diligent in my work and there are folks who for no reason are trying to undermine you at every turn. They're not just customers. They're co-workers. They're family. They're supposed friends. It can really be a hard time because that fear and that pain gets so loud. In a rare moment, Dave Ramsey just reminded me again about what the bible says about diligence and just caring. I appreciate it.
I am a retired soldier and disabled veteran. I volunteer at my local VA Hospital. From time-to-time I get patients who ask me "do you get paid for doing this?". The answer is "no."
I did some student teaching at a high school. One day the topic came up of who pays teachers. Kids had never thought about it. When I said I was paying to be there...
In defense of this, anyone notice this happening in corporate America more? I've noticed they just keep pushing more and more responsibility on you without increasing your pay at all! We're getting tired of doing other people's jobs and doing more but getting nothing in return!
I needed to hear this. Thank you Mr. Ramsey. My frustration has been on 10. As you stated, either I'll be seen in house or someone else will see me and steal me. This is why the bible says " Do not become weary in doing good"
Dave missed another piece of this... Perhaps the person started out caring, but quickly learned to be complacent without a sense of accountability as a result of the organizational culture or bad leadership and consistent backlash for calling out bad ideas and mediocrity. Sometimes that "donkey" is actually a canary in a coal mine, an invaluable part of the company, because behind "I don't care" hides a significant amount of feedback.
Dorota K Meh. That sounds like justifying a bad attitude. You're only hurting yourself by going along to get along while the company has problems. When you're hired anywhere you become part of that company and you should always hold yourself to a high standard, bot necessarily for the company but because you don't want to develop bad habits. If it's just a part time job or a stop gap situation do your best for your own peace of mind. Then when it becomes a career opportunity you wont have developed bad habits. Also some people are meant to be entrepreneurs so don't feel discouraged if you don't fit in, that might be the first clue that you're meant for greater things!
K Dub you are correct, but in order to move forward you need a safety net... Whethe you have baby step -3 funded or family support! If you are by your own and more... have some dependents, then you need to stay in that company for as long as you need!
So they let others have that control over them, change them, affect them. Sad. They should have saved up lots and lots of meaningful experiences where they overcame adversity to discuss in interviews for a better job, those make the best answers to their questions.
@@kdub9198 Sometimes the fight becomes too exhausting to be worth it. So you say screwit and gain your personal happiness back. Roll with the stupidity until it's time to high tail out of there. My stress levels dropped dramatically when I stopped trying to swim upstream.
I've worked in kitchens that handed out write-ups like candy to cover themselves from being fined by the department of labor. In places like that I found that people who care leave because they just end up becoming bullied by all of the donkeys. To be fair, if you only take jobs that you feel are going to care as much about you as you do about your ethics at work, that is the dream
Farquharson That's the difference between a job and a career. But even at a job you must work hard to develop good habits. Maybe one day you're working hard and a customer that frequents the place notices, soon business cards are exchanged and a contact is made. Even though you didn't apply for a job an opportunity came your way. Believe or not it happens all the time.
But the context here is the important part. If someone you work with is a lazy jerk with a power trip and they try and push their work off onto you to get you to do it, then no that is not good boundaries and anyone would have the right to say no to doing someone else's job for them because "It's not my job" no way!
I've seen this too. I'm killing myself on the floor, with 42 patients and the other aide is chatting, drinking coffee and texting on her phone. In medicine, it can be the most frustrating thing.
Reciprocity. If you're used to say "it's not my obligation as an employer" you may end up hearing it's not my obligation as an employee" a lot. It also works the other way around.
I actually get scolded for trying to do things to improve the company and workflow, because I have a controlling supervisor. I'm a contractor, and this has happened at this present job and the last (last job was 18 months). Unfortunately, this tends to show on my resume as 'basic' work (I am a graphic designer/illustrator), and when I try to do the 'how I improved the company' description for the last two jobs, I can't. I realize this contract track is a dead end, so I'm bolstering my business and going out on my own. This thoroughbred is sick of dealing with the donkey mindset when there are problems that could be solved, and I don't want to turn into one of them.
In the How to treat ppl who don't care video--- you sound SOOO right!! My husband has NO MOTIVATION what SO EVER...when it has to do with the house stuff..
I wouldn't mind. Let me give you an example that I heard in a meeting between IT and Business. IT was asking for project specifications on a change request made and asked for an example of what they expect. The Business user told the IT member to learn the business and find the examples and what should happen themselves. The IT employee replied with "Learning the business is not my job, I don't need to understand the business behind the project, I only need to know what you want the project to do and given what input, what type of output you want. My job is to find out how to accomplish those requirements in the best possible way. To do so, if you provide me the specifications and expectations of what you want this project to do, then I can get to work on making it happen." As a fellow IT member I feel the response to "learn the business" being "that is not my job" is reasonable. IT should know enough of the business to do their job effectively, but they should not be expected to know as much as a business user. The same way IT can't expect a business user to know how to program the project or give suggestions. So, yes, there are times when "that isn't my job" is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.
Khaltazar Not learning the business will limit your opportunity to give more to your client. I've been in IT for so long, the "not my job to learn the business" mentality is counterproductive
I worked at a place for a while as an independent contractor where the owner would tell us to do things that aren't our job - which btw is illegal. That case, I think, would be an exception to Dave.
if you mean work that requires certificates and training, yes you have a right to refuse work that you aren't qualified for (like operating a forklift)
BassPlayer60134 I agree. I love Dave but he really didn't completely cover it. Asking people to do work that is not theirs like asking a bookkeeper to receive material for the warehouse personel is silly. If it's a 3-5 man operation I understand his point but if it's a 20-30 person organization Dave is WRONG.
In my case, as an independent contractor I was, in essence, more of a vendor at the store than anything. For example, it would be inappropriate for a mall to order the subway manager to man the security booth for a few minutes. At the store I was at the owner didn't get that which is why, as soon as I was financially able to make a break I did.
Yes he may not have covered all of the grey areas and all possible situations but I'm sure you all get the general gist of what he is saying. Let's not be ridiculous. I know some people here wants to disprove everything Dave is saying lol.
Donkeyness is a basic human trait. Work is giving your time and effort. People have issues when it comes to giving. Receiving things on the other hand is so pleasant for them- they will be there first if they can get something for free or for marginal effort. The only person who cares about anything is the owner.
Funny thing about donkeys is they ALL complain about how they're not paid enough. The boss is "robbing them", while they waste time and do the minimum.
This needs context. For example, I was hired to work in digital marketing. That was the job description, that's what was discussed during all 3 of my interviews and that's the knowledge that I presented. After I started, it was revealed (immediately and some over time) that I was also the IT administrator, QuickBooks administrator, Networking engineer, cyber security specialist and email manager. None of that was mentioned as I was interviewing for the job, and those other tasks took me away from my primary responsibilities. I'm certainly not qualified to do all of those things and never claimed to be. So I kind of had to make the point that those weren't really part of the job I applied to, and that ended up being a blessing when I transferred to our Chattanooga office. Occasionally, sure. But not in every case.
And the company was working for was an IT company and had never done anything like this before. This was their first time trying to do "marketing" and I was magically supposed to know how to do everything immediately and put in endless hours despite being very clear I only wanted part-time work.
Oooh this is a good one. I was considering a woman that regularly smokes cigarettes and I just can’t fit that into my budget and her reaction to that was that she just didn’t care. This advice is good for snapping my consciousness back to focusing on the people that do care enough about budgeting and health to cut something as frivolous and unhealthy as cigarettes out of the expenditure. Thank’s Dave!
Great, then he'll fire 10 more people until he can no longer fill the position and then he'll have to actually adhere to each job description and hire an actual plumber.
I'm one of those people that care but it depends on the situation I worked for a place with just had 3 employees and when the company wasn't doing so well I took on that stress and brought it home with me so anyone watching this video just think about the situation
Simple, I just don't hire anyone. I do my own electrical, my own HVAC, my own carpentry, my own vehicle maintenance and repair. And I save big $$$ and do the job to my satisfaction which most if not all tradespeople cannot do.
Every one who agree or disagree with this may read the book boundaries to assess the ground reality themselves. It is a nice book and help individuals to take balenced call in various situations
Dave you hit the nail on the head. But I work with a few snakes in the grass too. I'm " supposed" be incharge when boss in gone but i got 4 snakes trying to sabotage and exaggerate how I didn't do my job properly. So every morning I have to check things over to see if anything been messed with. & not only that gotta deal with someone trying to get me into trouble with their exaggerations. I have brought this up to the boss. I don't know if it's me but seems every place I work at I always have someone that has an problem with me. But this particular job I was supposed be incharge but few had an problem with it. Got guys acting like an child simple order as what time to be at work they won't follow because they say " you're not my boss I want to hear it from him." Oh it's an donkey show I've just gotta keep shining hopefully another place sees it. Can't just quit have an family to support. Good leadership videos ! Love watching& learning and to better myself.
I wonder if the problem is the employees or the owner though. I used to work for a small business where the owner would have some of his employees do favors for him and his friends and just crossed the line in what he expected his employees to put up with. This was a retail job where we took in second hand stuff for trade or cash. Me helping your friend clean out his basement absolutely is not my job. It's not my job to work 16 hour days without overtime pay to help you run a convention. It's not my job to try and manage your friend you hired and refuse to fire even though he does nothing and is suspected by multiple employees of stealing from the store. Sorry, but there have to be boundaries in what you ask your employees to do and put up with. It's really hard for me to care about your business when you don't care about it enough to take it seriously.
I dont see myself as a leader but I am a veterinarian ( not clinic owner ). When you care tremendously about the pets and the owners put trust in you it's so difficult to have a tech that doesn't have that same care. The good thing is , when I go to the owner, who is a vet too , he listens well and gives me great advice . Hes wonderful. I have come to terms that I must talk with this tech to see what's going on , are they not happy? Am asking for too much of them for the requirement for the job ? I'm also going to ask others in the clinic to see if I am difficult or ask too much . I treat everyone with respect at work and show my appreciation. If we have time during the day that were not slam packed I'm cleaning the exam Room, sweeping it bleaching everything so the room is clean and presentable. I love the donkey and Thoroughbred thing ! I actually use the idea of a thorough bred in one of my songs called "on the home stretch".it about doing sucky to start with but in the end given it all you got saying " might've broke out like a pony but I'll finish like a thoroughbred . Just think of the word "thoroughbred" they are bred for being thorough. Love listening to Dave !
I worked in a company, loved working there when I started, but they burned through their employees with switching day and night shifts and mind-numbing work while the interesting jobs went to a privileged preferred few that at the end you really don't care about the work anymore and was happy to see the place burn down when I quit. Take care of your employees and they (most likely) will take care of you.
“When I see garbage on the floor it tells me that people don’t care and when people stop caring, that’s when crime breeds and criminals take over” -Beavis
I get this and for the most part I agree but for me it comes down to prioritizing my tasks. If I have work backing up, clients are literally screaming at my teammates and I am the bottleneck for some process, I don't have time to make a pot of coffee or whatever. Sure I can do it later no problem but right now? I'm taking care of the customer and my team. How does someone resolve those conflicts of interest?
I feel like I’m having a donkey moment because, although I do care about my job, I’m being asked to do a new aspect of my job that I really don’t want to do. I’m now inspired to grab the bull by the horns and do the new task. Thanks for the motivation Dave
Whether it’s people who don’t care about their jobs or helping out people in need, the uncaring people are letting the world grow cold. We need more people who care to warm the world up. It would be nicer to live in a warm and caring world than in this cold and uncaring world.
Depends on the context. If you @DaveRamsay as the CEO pick up trash off the ground and expect others to do the same that's one thing, but if you ignore the trash and expect others to pick it up because they are beneath you, nah bud that isn't my job. You want trash picked up you hire a janitor. As another commenter explained, the ones saying "That isn't my job" are usually the ones that went above and beyond for too long and taken advantage of their kindness, and got to the point where they had to draw a line on what they are willing to contribute when others aren't.
the problem with the logic that somehow management is always right is a big no no....cause I worked in places where the employees that said "Its not my job" are the same people that bosses said are their best employees...!
It depends what it is they are asking for. I heard all day "I want a new apple Mac" I ask why and I am not joking here the answer I get back is "Because mine is 6 months old now" Do I care for these people??
Taking another view, some organizations are very clearly delineated as to who is making what decisions, and stepping out of your designated role can cause problems. I work in the health care field. I work with nurses, physical therapists, speech therapists and others. When a problem comes up that is not in my job description, it would not be suitable at all for me to do what someone else should be doing. I may not be trained in that issue, and I can make a mistake, causing all kinds of problems, even though I meant well. That has happened, and I have gotten into trouble for it, on one occasion. Informing others over me or the appropriate co-worker of the issue is what I need to do, not take it on myself. If they do not act, then there is nothing I can do, and continuing to care about it is counter-productive. Many times management or supervisors do not care, and are inefficient. We cannot assume that leadership sets the stage for caring or encouraging extra if egos get in the way, or if policy dictates otherwise. It depends on the nature and organization of the business. It doesn't mean you are a donkey if you defer to others when it is their job, and not yours. It doesn't mean you don't care.
Liked the analogy of donkeys and thoroughbreds. Most places I have worked are donkey farms, and they have lots of rules and policies in place that protect the donkeys. The thoroughbreds get overlooked and end up going elsewhere out of frustration.
Often a thoroughbred becomes a donkey in a toxic work environment. You could say well they need to leave then.. But that's hard to do when they make a lot of money and are fighting their way through the baby steps. Yes, I'm talking about me! But there is a light at the end of this tunnel!
To the USA people who need to wake up and care: I lived and worked in Japan and noticed the difference in work ethics ! All I heard from many American hires is "that's not my job or I don't care" and they are the ones who didn't last long. The old fashioned "Americans will get it done" attitude needs to be nurtured and promoted. Don't talk about not getting paid enough, talk about and appreciating the current job and how it will open doors of opportunity. Believe me, someone of influence is watching! I've promoted many thorough breds and talked to donkeys to show them how to improve (or let them go, if no change).
I studied in Japan, and while the work ethics are paramount, Japan is the best, but not for me.
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Aiko Fujita Great advice! Older people look for good qualities and want to pass down knowledge or offer opportunity. Always work hard and let everything else fall into place!
Why should i care about some company that would get rid of me at the drop of a hat?
+Daniel Cannata Did you actually watch the video? He's right; I live it. I work with a bunch of "donkeys" and I know for a fact I would not be the first to go out of the group. I also find a lot of satisfaction of owning my job, not just doing it.
"It's frustrating being a thoroughbred around a bunch of mules"
Felt that from the bottom of my soul lol
Sometimes a lack of leadership can cause even the best thoroughbred to lose motivation and become a donkey.
Texas Trad The worst is when you are a leader and those around you aren't. You can't carry the slack for everybody forever. Setting boundaries is a must but often shamed in toxic work cultures. I left and now have my own business. Lol
@david czapla - Why would you look to a leader to guide you? Mankind is imperfect. You will get to a point in your life where YOU are the leader. Only you can lead the way and only you can follow. If you are committed and motivated, people will look to you as a leader and you may find yourself in that position rather than following.
There's very little true leadership, only fake leadership. Rewarding the wrong people and quota's, not merit.
Ummm, cause being a leader is what they were hired to do! Not a lazy slug!
I'm going through that right now. I'm watching this video trying to keep calm and still care but I'm about to quit.
I worked for a company once that wanted me to ghost-write a book in 17 days and kept interrupting me to type letters for the CEO. (I am a fairly good editor and writer, but a lousy secretary.) When I developed pneumonia during this period of time, they patted themselves on the back for allowing me to work only part-time for a few days. Sometimes employees get abused by owners/CEOs who are psychopaths. Before you jettison someone who objects to what you ask him/her to do, ask yourself if you are treating that person fairly and using his/her talents in a reasonable manner.
Aldene Fredenburg yup!!
As an employee, you work for them. You need to do what they request from you. If you feel your talent is being wasted there. Just move on to another company. It's really that simple. You don't get the choice of what function you do. This is exactly what dave just said. You think Dave as the CEO should be setting up chairs for a function. No, but he does it because it has to get done.
@@drewnyc5816 Not all ceo's are like Dave. Many take advantage of employees when they know jobs are scarce. Sometimes thoroughbreds get treated like donkeys, and the owner is their only food source.
@@drewnyc5816 Job descriptions exist because of people like you.
It's one thing to chip in and another to be pulled from duties you need to perform to do duties outside of your position, then get chastised for not doing your original job.
JackKook73 Thats why it is up to you to do your research and not pigeon hole yourself
Sometimes the company is the donkey.
Texas Trad Gotta pay the bills and eat, even if a donkey is paying.
I agree, but sometimes you need to work there for a year to really figure that out and realize it's time to move on
Companies want to get stingy and not pay thoroughbreds. Nor do they want to notice them. From a millenial.
@@sarrahwilson8149 I'm a Gen X'er...I've been there
Agree
At my workplace the saying goes "the more you know the more they ask. Therefore I know nothing" if you are competent you get pushed and pushed to do more and more, then something extra comes up and the managers run to the people with the highest workload to do a little more. Meanwhile there are wall to wall mediocre "the more you know, I know nothing" people as far as the eye can see that are completely invisible. Until something fails and suddenly there are fingers all pointed straight at the people who "should have known" because they aren't the know nothing people. Favourite quote ever, a supervisor was on days off and got blamed for an accident because he "shouldn't have taken time off, and should have been there so that it didn't happen" yeah that just happened, I suddenly forgot how to do anything.
rustyscrapper life of call center
Yep...us good workers get rewarded with more work but never more pay or more vacation time...I don't even get any sick days.
The company I work for tried to get me to do a menial job for 'just 3 months'. HA! I've worked here long enough to know that means NOTHING. it was a job nobody would do, so since I had a choice I said I didn't know how to do that job so I would not be able to jump in save the day really fast. It was a tough thing to say, but I was not going to go backwards in my career, being stuck in a dead end situation for 10 years 'tilI retire.
@@shannon2748 I hope you're not still there... Are you at least looking for something better?
This is scary accurate for how IT industry works.
In my experience the "leader" typically creates an environment that encourages people not to care. It usually involves open disrespect for employees, favoritism, or being unreasonable. You might, for example, give your employee a pile of tasks that have to get done today no matter what, then have them spend the entire day in a meeting. So the honest hard-working employee that does care and is willing to take on any job misses the opportunity to have dinner with his wife and kids to stay late and finish. You make that a regular occurrence and you create a "bad" employee.
Bc they know you cannot do better, like any bad relationship you stay with. If it's so awful, LEAVE. Find the job you believe you deserve, if you are so good at what you do, and the market is rife with your kind of job, MOVE. Otherwise, you are absolutely stuck, you cannot do better, and you need to adopt an attitude of gratitude. It does no good to add to the toxicity.
Mmm like grocery retail
@@cconroy1677 nobody is ever stuck. There's an old saying, people don't quit jobs they quit managers.
"your excellence exposes their donkiness" God that is the truth.
Love that!
My coworker quit because he was the one everyone went to for a task since they knew he would do it, and do it quickly and correct. There weren't enough hours in his life to take on that much work.
Doing something that is "not your job" to cover for someone's laziness is the fast track to being taken advantage of in any business small or big. Caring is what leads to burnout while others manipulate you. Management can be very manipulative just to get the job done they don't care who does the work regardless of how it gets done--hence good workers leave and the bad stays. The odds are people who "don't care" or say "it's not my job" has been taken advantage of whether they're a donkey or a thoroughbred.
Jake Rosser fact
Very true. I learned this from my first job out of high school.
I usually just set a boundary on what I can and can't do. I'll help if able but not if it costs my sanity or enables a tool. I've let them suffer the consequences of their laziness and it's pretty funny.
Then learn skills, grow your competency, gain a reputation as a hard worker, and then when the time is right move on from a place that takes advantage of you.
I am surprised that Dave Ramsey doesn’t advise what to do when a person willing to do work beyond his/her job description is taken advantage of. This is common scenario in the workplace.
When you are understaffed, overworked, and management has more days off than everyone combined, who's the donkey?
You are for staying there
Understaffed and over worked can happen in a small businesses and you should work through it with your mgmt but them taking day's off in that situation is unexceptionable
@@Noadvantage246 what does 'unexceptionable' mean?? you mean unacceptable? if so, then yes I agree. and it's happening constantly.
I could not agree more. When did caring go out of style!?
My estimation is the year 2015......
when companies and employers put profits over people.
He who is competent in smaller matters can be entrusted with larger ones.
A lot of people don't care because of bad management at some jobs. I work at a place where "I don't care" is used every day by the employees. The managers do not set a good example and most importantly they don't care either, so no one has the initiative to care because if they did no one would notice.
N96ZG in that case run don't walk to the nearest exit. Five years from now they'll wonder why they're out of business.
A lot of people would notice
“It’s not my job.” Was the most used line in the union environment I used to work in.
They literally got off on doing the minimum and patted themselves on the back as if they were doing the maximum.
Apathy might be the only thing outnumbering stupidity in this world.
If you paid minimum wage don't expect to get people that work well.
Issue with that is... you agreed to receive that pay when hired.... I have seen people start out as a bagger, then get promoted to manager in 18 months, because they worked the best job they could.
@@candle-queen5644 The problem with that statement is that many more stories exist of the thoroughbred working the best job they could and their company laughing all the way to the bank. Also, what if you work behind closed doors? If no one from the outside public can see your extra effort, how will you get stolen? This advice works for some situations, but for others you just have to decide that it is time to leave that barn...
Must explain why some people don’t pick up the slack and wonder around. If someone is close to retirement age making less than $20/hr and has been at the job for 20 years just doing the same thing and nothing else why wonder they don’t pull their weight.
Exactly. You get what you pay for.
"How do you motivate people?"
"I don't. I hire motivated people."
That's what people need to hear. Young or old.
Some companies like to break law, I had my far share complaining to OSHA at them. I had a janitorial job , boss wanted me to clean public restroom without protection. Women like to say men leave bathroom dirty. Well women leave dirty tampons and blood on toilet seat. I was written up for disobeying a order. I was glade they let me go, the company didn't care about my health.
You were written up for bringing a pair of rubber gloves and a mask to work???
This is so true my wife went from working at a restaurant when she was 17 years old to being a restaurant GM and now she's running multiple restaurants but she's honest hard-working intelligent and fair that gets you places in life not fast you can't be lazy about it but eventually it will get you somewhere
I needed to hear this. I'm not dogging folks out. But I've really tried to be diligent in my work and there are folks who for no reason are trying to undermine you at every turn. They're not just customers. They're co-workers. They're family. They're supposed friends. It can really be a hard time because that fear and that pain gets so loud. In a rare moment, Dave Ramsey just reminded me again about what the bible says about diligence and just caring. I appreciate it.
I am a retired soldier and disabled veteran. I volunteer at my local VA Hospital. From time-to-time I get patients who ask me "do you get paid for doing this?". The answer is "no."
I did some student teaching at a high school. One day the topic came up of who pays teachers. Kids had never thought about it. When I said I was paying to be there...
"your very presence exposes their donkeyness" - Dave Ramsey quote of the year lol
Last job I was at with donkeys, I was a thoroughbred. I was paid the same hourly rate as everyone else.
What did I get as a reward? A hernia.
Boo hoo
Sucka
Or more work and no more pay!
My guess, UPS......
@@WillyPark I wish. At least they're paid well.
In defense of this, anyone notice this happening in corporate America more? I've noticed they just keep pushing more and more responsibility on you without increasing your pay at all! We're getting tired of doing other people's jobs and doing more but getting nothing in return!
Love this, "exposes their donkeyness".
I needed to hear this. Thank you Mr. Ramsey. My frustration has been on 10. As you stated, either I'll be seen in house or someone else will see me and steal me. This is why the bible says " Do not become weary in doing good"
Dave missed another piece of this... Perhaps the person started out caring, but quickly learned to be complacent without a sense of accountability as a result of the organizational culture or bad leadership and consistent backlash for calling out bad ideas and mediocrity. Sometimes that "donkey" is actually a canary in a coal mine, an invaluable part of the company, because behind "I don't care" hides a significant amount of feedback.
Dorota K Meh. That sounds like justifying a bad attitude. You're only hurting yourself by going along to get along while the company has problems. When you're hired anywhere you become part of that company and you should always hold yourself to a high standard, bot necessarily for the company but because you don't want to develop bad habits. If it's just a part time job or a stop gap situation do your best for your own peace of mind. Then when it becomes a career opportunity you wont have developed bad habits. Also some people are meant to be entrepreneurs so don't feel discouraged if you don't fit in, that might be the first clue that you're meant for greater things!
K Dub you are correct, but in order to move forward you need a safety net... Whethe you have baby step -3 funded or family support! If you are by your own and more... have some dependents, then you need to stay in that company for as long as you need!
So they let others have that control over them, change them, affect them. Sad. They should have saved up lots and lots of meaningful experiences where they overcame adversity to discuss in interviews for a better job, those make the best answers to their questions.
@@kdub9198 One of the best comments on this video!
@@kdub9198 Sometimes the fight becomes too exhausting to be worth it. So you say screwit and gain your personal happiness back. Roll with the stupidity until it's time to high tail out of there.
My stress levels dropped dramatically when I stopped trying to swim upstream.
100% agree, was listening to this while on shift, I explained my concerns about why tonight’s workload will fail and they didn’t want to listen
Set them free in Jesus name LOL
Luis Gonzalez 😂😂💀💀
I died! hahahah
The power of Christ compels you, the power of Christ compels you
We set them free in the Easter bunnies/father Christmases name, jeez
Dead
😂😂😂
I treat my company like I own it, but its hard to shine when everybody around you don't.
I've worked in kitchens that handed out write-ups like candy to cover themselves from being fined by the department of labor. In places like that I found that people who care leave because they just end up becoming bullied by all of the donkeys. To be fair, if you only take jobs that you feel are going to care as much about you as you do about your ethics at work, that is the dream
Farquharson That's the difference between a job and a career. But even at a job you must work hard to develop good habits. Maybe one day you're working hard and a customer that frequents the place notices, soon business cards are exchanged and a contact is made. Even though you didn't apply for a job an opportunity came your way. Believe or not it happens all the time.
I work at the level I am paid. You get a lot out of me at $40 an hour. $10 not so much.
But the context here is the important part. If someone you work with is a lazy jerk with a power trip and they try and push their work off onto you to get you to do it, then no that is not good boundaries and anyone would have the right to say no to doing someone else's job for them because "It's not my job" no way!
This is how I feel being the youngest person in my office by 30+ years.
I care. Thank you for caring, it's changing my life.
You let a donkey in the Building- Dave Ramsey.
Love that!
Sometimes the donkeys just sit around braying while the workhorse works. No one steals you. No one cares.
I've seen this too. I'm killing myself on the floor, with 42 patients and the other aide is chatting, drinking coffee and texting on her phone. In medicine, it can be the most frustrating thing.
Then steal yourself.
“Sniny people attract money” - love that!
Reciprocity. If you're used to say "it's not my obligation as an employer" you may end up hearing it's not my obligation as an employee" a lot. It also works the other way around.
Best advice I needed to hear. Thank you 😂
Sometimes people don't start out that way...poor leadership can harden hearts
I'm a shiny person. Taking on extra responsibility despite getting behind on a never ending problem...
I needed this video thank you Dave
I actually get scolded for trying to do things to improve the company and workflow, because I have a controlling supervisor. I'm a contractor, and this has happened at this present job and the last (last job was 18 months). Unfortunately, this tends to show on my resume as 'basic' work (I am a graphic designer/illustrator), and when I try to do the 'how I improved the company' description for the last two jobs, I can't. I realize this contract track is a dead end, so I'm bolstering my business and going out on my own. This thoroughbred is sick of dealing with the donkey mindset when there are problems that could be solved, and I don't want to turn into one of them.
In the How to treat ppl who don't care video--- you sound SOOO right!! My husband has NO MOTIVATION what SO EVER...when it has to do with the house stuff..
I wouldn't mind. Let me give you an example that I heard in a meeting between IT and Business. IT was asking for project specifications on a change request made and asked for an example of what they expect. The Business user told the IT member to learn the business and find the examples and what should happen themselves. The IT employee replied with "Learning the business is not my job, I don't need to understand the business behind the project, I only need to know what you want the project to do and given what input, what type of output you want. My job is to find out how to accomplish those requirements in the best possible way. To do so, if you provide me the specifications and expectations of what you want this project to do, then I can get to work on making it happen." As a fellow IT member I feel the response to "learn the business" being "that is not my job" is reasonable. IT should know enough of the business to do their job effectively, but they should not be expected to know as much as a business user. The same way IT can't expect a business user to know how to program the project or give suggestions. So, yes, there are times when "that isn't my job" is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.
Khaltazar Not learning the business will limit your opportunity to give more to your client. I've been in IT for so long, the "not my job to learn the business" mentality is counterproductive
Sometimes managers depress the staff. Some managers are negative, uninspiring, abusive and that leads to depressed staff.
I can agree with this. My mum got depressed by a manager that was emotionally abusive and was doing illegal things as well.
People at my job like to make their problem my problem so you have to tell them where to stick it.
Ross Arnold Way to keep it real!!!
I worked at a place for a while as an independent contractor where the owner would tell us to do things that aren't our job - which btw is illegal. That case, I think, would be an exception to Dave.
if you mean work that requires certificates and training, yes you have a right to refuse work that you aren't qualified for (like operating a forklift)
BassPlayer60134 I agree. I love Dave but he really didn't completely cover it. Asking people to do work that is not theirs like asking a bookkeeper to receive material for the warehouse personel is silly. If it's a 3-5 man operation I understand his point but if it's a 20-30 person organization Dave is WRONG.
nothing is ever cut in dried... If a guy can do the job and says he don't care.. that is the context.
In my case, as an independent contractor I was, in essence, more of a vendor at the store than anything. For example, it would be inappropriate for a mall to order the subway manager to man the security booth for a few minutes. At the store I was at the owner didn't get that which is why, as soon as I was financially able to make a break I did.
Yes he may not have covered all of the grey areas and all possible situations but I'm sure you all get the general gist of what he is saying. Let's not be ridiculous. I know some people here wants to disprove everything Dave is saying lol.
“You see Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.”
-Peter Gibbons
Office Space
Donkeyness is a basic human trait. Work is giving your time and effort. People have issues when it comes to giving. Receiving things on the other hand is so pleasant for them- they will be there first if they can get something for free or for marginal effort. The only person who cares about anything is the owner.
Funny thing about donkeys is they ALL complain about how they're not paid enough. The boss is "robbing them", while they waste time and do the minimum.
DeepSpaceNinja They also never see “it” coming
This needs context. For example, I was hired to work in digital marketing. That was the job description, that's what was discussed during all 3 of my interviews and that's the knowledge that I presented. After I started, it was revealed (immediately and some over time) that I was also the IT administrator, QuickBooks administrator, Networking engineer, cyber security specialist and email manager. None of that was mentioned as I was interviewing for the job, and those other tasks took me away from my primary responsibilities. I'm certainly not qualified to do all of those things and never claimed to be. So I kind of had to make the point that those weren't really part of the job I applied to, and that ended up being a blessing when I transferred to our Chattanooga office. Occasionally, sure. But not in every case.
And the company was working for was an IT company and had never done anything like this before. This was their first time trying to do "marketing" and I was magically supposed to know how to do everything immediately and put in endless hours despite being very clear I only wanted part-time work.
Please come to South Shore Hospital in South Weymouth Massachusetts. Talk to all the Operating Room staff.
Make them sit down and listen to Dave Ramsey clips all day
You right Dave everybody who works together achieves more in getting to the goal it's called team work.😊
There's no team work at my job
Oooh this is a good one. I was considering a woman that regularly smokes cigarettes and I just can’t fit that into my budget and her reaction to that was that she just didn’t care. This advice is good for snapping my consciousness back to focusing on the people that do care enough about budgeting and health to cut something as frivolous and unhealthy as cigarettes out of the expenditure. Thank’s Dave!
"sometimes they need to be somewhere else" LOL!
Boss: Go fix the plumbing in the bathroom. Me: That’s not my job, I’m not a plumber. Boss: You’re fired.
Great, then he'll fire 10 more people until he can no longer fill the position and then he'll have to actually adhere to each job description and hire an actual plumber.
I'm one of those people that care but it depends on the situation I worked for a place with just had 3 employees and when the company wasn't doing so well I took on that stress and brought it home with me so anyone watching this video just think about the situation
Dave, from the flip-side, how do you go about changing the culture of an organization where the management does not care?
Leave if the management team is full of donkeys.
Leave
Simple, I just don't hire anyone. I do my own electrical, my own HVAC, my own carpentry, my own vehicle maintenance and repair. And I save big $$$ and do the job to my satisfaction which most if not all tradespeople cannot do.
do donkeys look at memes on their phone instead of working? i might be a donkey xd
"I don't care" types are to be avoided at all costs!
"Shiny people attract money"
Every one who agree or disagree with this may read the book boundaries to assess the ground reality themselves.
It is a nice book and help individuals to take balenced call in various situations
Dave you hit the nail on the head. But I work with a few snakes in the grass too. I'm " supposed" be incharge when boss in gone but i got 4 snakes trying to sabotage and exaggerate how I didn't do my job properly. So every morning I have to check things over to see if anything been messed with. & not only that gotta deal with someone trying to get me into trouble with their exaggerations. I have brought this up to the boss. I don't know if it's me but seems every place I work at I always have someone that has an problem with me. But this particular job I was supposed be incharge but few had an problem with it. Got guys acting like an child simple order as what time to be at work they won't follow because they say " you're not my boss I want to hear it from him." Oh it's an donkey show I've just gotta keep shining hopefully another place sees it. Can't just quit have an family to support. Good leadership videos ! Love watching& learning and to better myself.
I wonder if the problem is the employees or the owner though. I used to work for a small business where the owner would have some of his employees do favors for him and his friends and just crossed the line in what he expected his employees to put up with. This was a retail job where we took in second hand stuff for trade or cash. Me helping your friend clean out his basement absolutely is not my job. It's not my job to work 16 hour days without overtime pay to help you run a convention. It's not my job to try and manage your friend you hired and refuse to fire even though he does nothing and is suspected by multiple employees of stealing from the store. Sorry, but there have to be boundaries in what you ask your employees to do and put up with. It's really hard for me to care about your business when you don't care about it enough to take it seriously.
Watched probably 100 videos, rants, clips, full shows... first one that really struck with me
I dont see myself as a leader but I am a veterinarian ( not clinic owner ). When you care tremendously about the pets and the owners put trust in you it's so difficult to have a tech that doesn't have that same care. The good thing is , when I go to the owner, who is a vet too , he listens well and gives me great advice . Hes wonderful. I have come to terms that I must talk with this tech to see what's going on , are they not happy? Am asking for too much of them for the requirement for the job ? I'm also going to ask others in the clinic to see if I am difficult or ask too much . I treat everyone with respect at work and show my appreciation. If we have time during the day that were not slam packed I'm cleaning the exam Room, sweeping it bleaching everything so the room is clean and presentable.
I love the donkey and Thoroughbred thing ! I actually use the idea of a thorough bred in one of my songs called "on the home stretch".it about doing sucky to start with but in the end given it all you got saying " might've broke out like a pony but I'll finish like a thoroughbred . Just think of the word "thoroughbred" they are bred for being thorough. Love listening to Dave !
One of my favorite DR videos! So true!
Excellent and motivating! :-)
Perfect advise for the people who are managing teams. Excellent............ you made my day.
Hey Dave you hire your own kids. Good workers despise nepotism. Food for thought!
I worked in a company, loved working there when I started, but they burned through their employees with switching day and night shifts and mind-numbing work while the interesting jobs went to a privileged preferred few that at the end you really don't care about the work anymore and was happy to see the place burn down when I quit. Take care of your employees and they (most likely) will take care of you.
“When I see garbage on the floor it tells me that people don’t care and when people stop caring, that’s when crime breeds and criminals take over” -Beavis
You have to shine for you, whether or not it is recognized or appreciated.
I get this and for the most part I agree but for me it comes down to prioritizing my tasks. If I have work backing up, clients are literally screaming at my teammates and I am the bottleneck for some process, I don't have time to make a pot of coffee or whatever. Sure I can do it later no problem but right now? I'm taking care of the customer and my team. How does someone resolve those conflicts of interest?
They made not care about their jobs or not motivated by work but they will care about that paycheck!
Thank you. Very inspiring and straightforward action that I can take right now for a better mindset.
I feel like I’m having a donkey moment because, although I do care about my job, I’m being asked to do a new aspect of my job that I really don’t want to do. I’m now inspired to grab the bull by the horns and do the new task. Thanks for the motivation Dave
Mr. Ramsey, I am an accountant, the CEO sends me to clean his toilet. I will say no, he will say you are fired! and I will sue him!
Did he actually ask you to clean his toilet or are you catastrophizing?
Thanks Dave, it's very encouraging to hear you say this!
Whether it’s people who don’t care about their jobs or helping out people in need, the uncaring people are letting the world grow cold. We need more people who care to warm the world up. It would be nicer to live in a warm and caring world than in this cold and uncaring world.
Dave is so right i was poached by different companies for years before starting my own business
Depends on the context. If you @DaveRamsay as the CEO pick up trash off the ground and expect others to do the same that's one thing, but if you ignore the trash and expect others to pick it up because they are beneath you, nah bud that isn't my job. You want trash picked up you hire a janitor. As another commenter explained, the ones saying "That isn't my job" are usually the ones that went above and beyond for too long and taken advantage of their kindness, and got to the point where they had to draw a line on what they are willing to contribute when others aren't.
I find it satisfying that Dave's collar stripes match up with the other stripes of the shirt.
"Your very presence exposes their donkeyness" 😂😂😂😂😂
Also, there are people who go above and beyond and the Boss dosent care, it goes both ways, cause I work for one of these guys.
I so needed to hear this today. I feel encouraged. Thanks Dave ;)
the problem with the logic that somehow management is always right is a big no no....cause I worked in places where the employees that said "Its not my job" are the same people that bosses said are their best employees...!
It depends what it is they are asking for. I heard all day "I want a new apple Mac" I ask why and I am not joking here the answer I get back is "Because mine is 6 months old now" Do I care for these people??
Excellent!
Taking another view, some organizations are very clearly delineated as to who is making what decisions, and stepping out of your designated role can cause problems. I work in the health care field. I work with nurses, physical therapists, speech therapists and others. When a problem comes up that is not in my job description, it would not be suitable at all for me to do what someone else should be doing. I may not be trained in that issue, and I can make a mistake, causing all kinds of problems, even though I meant well. That has happened, and I have gotten into trouble for it, on one occasion. Informing others over me or the appropriate co-worker of the issue is what I need to do, not take it on myself. If they do not act, then there is nothing I can do, and continuing to care about it is counter-productive. Many times management or supervisors do not care, and are inefficient. We cannot assume that leadership sets the stage for caring or encouraging extra if egos get in the way, or if policy dictates otherwise. It depends on the nature and organization of the business. It doesn't mean you are a donkey if you defer to others when it is their job, and not yours. It doesn't mean you don't care.
Caring doesn't cost you anything?
Heck it doesn't. It costs your sanity.
I cant tell you how sad it is when ive worked two different shifts and the difference in care
Liked the analogy of donkeys and thoroughbreds. Most places I have worked are donkey farms, and they have lots of rules and policies in place that protect the donkeys. The thoroughbreds get overlooked and end up going elsewhere out of frustration.
To care you have to suffer. That's been my experience of life.
That is so true.
our car dealership service dept has 95% donkeys. and those few thorough breds become donkeys after time. very frustrating.
Often a thoroughbred becomes a donkey in a toxic work environment. You could say well they need to leave then.. But that's hard to do when they make a lot of money and are fighting their way through the baby steps. Yes, I'm talking about me! But there is a light at the end of this tunnel!
It’s hard to work for a family business. The business is their baby and when you don’t think of it the same way, it causes stress sometimes.