Best Woods for Metal Drumming | Drum Set Comparison | Thomann
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- Help Simon find the best wood for metal drumming. In this drum set comparison 3 mid-priced drum sets with different wood configurations compete against each other. Drums similar to kits played by Matt Halpern, Chris Adler or Mike Portnoy. Which one is your favorite? Which do you think fits best? Let's discuss it in the comments. By the way do you recognize the Outro playing groove?
Tune Bot Settings:
Toms:
10": Top Lug: 195 Hz, Bottom Lug: 327
12": Top Lug: 146 Hz, Bottom Lug: 245
16": Top Lug: 110 Hz, Bottom Lug: 183
Snare: Top Lug: 299 Hz plus another quarter turn of the drum key, Bottom Lug: 398 Hz
Kick: 22": Batter Lug: 66 Hz, Reso Lug: 76 Hz
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Interesting bits and pieces:
0:00 Playing and Introduction
0:35 more playing
0:49 What are we looking at?
1:14 Pearl Session Studio Select Drum Kit (with music)
2:26 Let's talk about it
2:37 Fat Tom Grooves
2:56 Mapex Saturn Maple/Walnut Drums
4:14 Mapex VS Pearl
5:29 Tama Starclassic Walnut/Birch
6:40 Let's talk drums
7:04 Tama drums without music
7:29 Let's listen to all 3 sets one after the other
7:32 Pearl Session Studio select playing
7:49 Mapex Saturn Maple/Walnut playing
8:06 Tama Starclassic Walnut/Birch playing
8:26 Simon's Opinion
8:55 Outro playing.
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I actually have Pearl Session Studio Select kit (2020 version) and the JJ snare. Just sounds killer. Perfect for rock/metal.
I miss my Mapex Saturn V studio ease. I still have the Chris Adler snare and dw9002 double bass pedal. But when I moved into my apartment I had to get an electronic kit 😩. But I've got my eyes on the Varus sets for my next acoustic. But I'll always lov3 Mapex.
birch are better than maple for rock/metal/loud music?
They all sound pretty good the Tama is probably best for metal but I think the mapex sounded the best.
Super drumming Simon. This is a great comparison video 👍🥁🥁🥁
Really fun to watch Simon. Great drummer :)
2:40 Unsainted
No way
Earned a sub here! Way to go amazing video!
Chris Adler Mapex Saturn and black panther blaster kit....❤️❤️ Much love man for presenting Chris Adler......
Great video, thanks!
do you have any advice for tuning a 14' tom with the tunebot so that it goes well with the other 3?
loving the cheeky physical education outro ;) - my personal fave was the mapex maple/walnut
Great. Then you‘ll hopefully love next weeks video too ;) //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash :O can't wait!!
With that drumming they all sound great!
I may have missed it but did you say what tuning you used with tubebot?
Awesome drums!! . My pick 1-Pearl, 2-Tama, 3... Im not a fan of mapex. BTW what crashes are you using?... AAX X-plosion Fast Crash 18" and A-Custom Projection 18"???... or... both are 19"??
That Mapex sounds fantastic I'm a tama star walnut guy myself never been a fan of pearl
I hear this comment a lot! What is it about Pearl that you don't like? I know a lot of people mention not liking the tom arms. I personally don't dislike any of the main drum manufacturers.
@@daltonidaho The fact that Pearl don't include a mounting system with their kits, making you buy them separately, leaves a sour taste in the mouth. Other manufacturers whose kits sound just as good if not better can manage it so why can't Pearl? It's even the norm for Pearl to equip kits that cost around 2,000 euro (for example their Professional Series) with the cheaper UT Remo heads. This is also true of the Session Select kit in the video. For comparison, the Mapex Saturn is equipped with Remo USA heads (the superior kind) on every single head, batter and reso. Even Tama manage to put Remo USA's on their batter's, if not the resos. I don't dislike Pearls drums, they make some excellent sounding drums, but I think they suffer from notable value for money issues when put up against their competitors.
Outta the ones on the vid...gimme the tamas every time. I like EVERYTHING about them better. Looks sound and feel.
I love your Paiste hi-hats
Very cool comparison video! Looking into getting a kit myself, mainly for metal, so this is a very useful video indeed. I lean towards the Tama, but I'm really not into any of their finishes in the Walnut/Birch line at the moment, that's my main issue with them. I like that they come with a tom mount in a standard configuration, few of the higher-end kits do, except for Yamaha. I might go with a Starclassic Maple to get the finish I really want (Flat Deep Green). Yamaha Live Custom Hybrid could also be a contender though, too bad they cost so much more...
Your video made me go for the Tama. My first high end kit was a Starclassic maple, then I got a Pearl birch master series, then a Truth custom kit, then a Mapex saturn V. I still to this day prefered that Tama kit to any of them. I regret letting go of it. Hopefully this new Starclassic birch/walnut kit will live up to the Starclassic Maple.
Great great great video! 🤘🏻👌🏻
Another good sounding wood is 100% maple shells, currently using a Ludwig accent cs custom power 5 piece. Liked that the kick from the Tama had a lot of punch and good depth toms
I too am using an all Maple kit. Mapex Pro M, the same shells they used in the Saturn series at the time. Absolutely amazing under microphones. Very deep and resonant.
24x18
10x8,13x11,16x16,18x16
How did you time that Joey snare, I love it.
Those Pearls sound fantastic! I currently have a Gretsch Renown but the rough tuning lugs have left me unimpressed with their build quality. I started on a Pearl and I'm thinking of going back!
Earned a sub.+like! Love it! 🙂
What were the songs he was playing? Specifically during the mahogany part
nice comparision! Now I can't decide if I want to upgrade my Pearl Vision full Birch Kit to a Pearl Studio Session Birch/Mahogany or to a Pearl Masters Pure Maple Kit. Any thoughts? I play Rock/Metal
Hi Felix. Puh....good question :-D They are both great kits. In the Groove Hunter #6 Video (th-cam.com/video/UWnXH5fcCg8/w-d-xo.html) i play a Pearl Masters Maple Complete Drum kit which sounds amazing. If you'd like to compare the session studio kit with that one so you get a better opinion? Let me know if that helps //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Hi Simon. Thanks for the quick response! And thanks for the Videolink. I will try to compare them :) slighty preferring the studio session kit atm. But I think both kits would be a great addition :-)
Your welcome. The Studio Session's got some amazing low end in toms and the kick drum. Almost a little bit to much for my taste when it comes to the kick. The toms sound huge. //Simon
Hey Simon, very nice video. Would you mind sharing the TuneBot readings with us? I would really appreciate that.
I play a Tama Starclassic Bubinga, but I have to admit that I like the sound of the Pearl by far the best.
Hi Raphael. Yey of course. Here they are:
Toms:
10": Top Lug: 195 Hz, Bottom Lug: 327
12": Top Lug: 146 Hz, Bottom Lug: 245
16": Top Lug: 110 Hz, Bottom Lug: 183
Snare: Top Lug: 299 Hz plus another quarter turn of the drum key, Bottom Lug: 398 Hz
Kick: 22": Batter Lug: 66 Hz, Reso Lug: 76 Hz
Let me know if this works with your kit. All the best, Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Hi Simon, thank you very much. I always find it exciting how other drummers tune their toms. Both in terms of the interval between the batter head and the resonant head, as well as the interval between the different toms.
I see that with your tuning the interval between top and bottom head is rather high. At least significantly higher than what I would aim for. But the sound proves you right, your toms sound really cool.
I just got a delivery with new tom skins from Thomann yesterday and can now experiment again with the tuning.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Hi Raphael. Likewise. I‘m also into experimenting with these kinda things. Usually I tune the reso head a minor third higher than the batter head. I tried a couple of different intervals but i always come back to that :). I am actually not a big fan of tuning the batter head higher. There is a video about different Reso head tunings here on the channel if you‘re interested. For me, it was very interesting to do it :). What kinda heads did you get? My favorite combination right now is: Batter head: Vintage Ambassador Coated, Reso Head: Coated Diplomat. Wir können übrigens auch auf deutsch schreiben 😅 //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Da das Video auf Englisch ist, hab ich auch auf Englisch kommentiert. Aber ich habe mir schon gedacht, dass du mich auch auf Deutsch verstehen würdest. :D
Eine (kleine oder große) Terz ist eigentlich auch mein Lieblingsintervall zwischen Schlag- und Resonanzfell. Für Racktoms eher eine große Terz und für Floortoms eine kleine Terz oder sogar weniger. Und tatsächlich mache ich es genau so, wie du in dem Video zur Stimmung der Resonanzfelle gesagt hast. Bei den Racktoms stimme ich meist das Reso tiefer als das Schlagfell, um diesen etwas ausgewogeneren Sound zu haben. Bei den Floortoms darf es eine ordentliche Portion Low-End sein, deswegen stimme ich dort das Reso höher als das Schlagfell.
Ich habe mich wieder einmal für die ganz klassische Kombination aus Evans G2 und Evans Genera Resonant entschieden. Damit kann man nicht viel verkehrt machen. Mein eigentliches Experiment wird der Versuch sein, den Grundton des Kessels herauszufinden und die Trommel dann auf diesen Ton zu stimmen. Mal schauen, wie sich da auf den Sound auswirkt.
What was the first snare that he played with the Pearl kit? I’ve been looking for a new snare with that type of fat sound, I know he showed it but I couldn’t make out who’s signature it was
Joey Jordison signature snare.
Great sounding drums, all of them. Based on this comparison, I will chose Pearl.
I may have missed it but did you say what tuning you used with tubebot?
I would love to try how my kit is doing :)
Hi Morgane! Here they are:
Toms:
10": Top Lug: 195 Hz, Bottom Lug: 327
12": Top Lug: 146 Hz, Bottom Lug: 245
16": Top Lug: 110 Hz, Bottom Lug: 183
Snare: Top Lug: 299 Hz plus another quarter turn of the drum key, Bottom Lug: 398 Hz
Kick: 22": Batter Lug: 66 Hz, Reso Lug: 76 Hz
Please let me know how it works with your kit! All the best, Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash thx a lot! I will have a blast i’m sure (pun intended) 😊
Pearl for me, 2nd. is Tama thank you! 🙂
Is the pearl masters maple reserve good to play metal? bcs i might wnt to buy it
Hi Seppe. Yes it is. It‘s this red/purple sparkle kit I play in a lot of our videos! //Simon
Wow, great production quality here! Actually, this Pearl kit here sounds miles better than on on any of the actual Pearl promotion videos. I liked it here for the first time, and even more than the Tama, which I never did.. I'd definitely consider the Pearl, but I just wish they had an option with the tomholder on the bass drum, I really really prefer it this way, to the point that in the end I'd very likely go with Tama for this reason alone. Either way, Pearl for the winner here
Then get a Tama superstar classic 7 piece maple drums they are great drums trust me on that you don’t need super high end drums to get a great quality drums these days
Aloha! My name is Sean and I work with Aixdsp. What's the best way to send you our plug-ins?
Please do a video only on Chris Adler drum sound...it's unique!!
Great video, thanks
Your welcome! Any video topic wishes? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash well, I'm in the search of cymbals for recording rock and metal, anything related would be awesome (those zultan F5 sound very good, and cheap!) Anyway, even being a store/promo channel I enjoy most of your videos, really informative and interesting, just keep going! Haha thanks
Thank you Angela. Did you check out the cymbals in this video? We chose them especially to get a metal sound. //Simon
Wow great video! I have the Saturn V water maple burl kit the finish is amazing! Someone wants to trade me the Tamas you have in this video it's tempting 😀
I have always loved Tama and personally I like the toms mounted on the bass drum better. Anyone have any suggestions?
yes
Man the tama kick ass it sounds so good
It does sound really great! What style should we do next? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash like rock like the group Paramore :] love them
Can you do a budget version? Like 500-1000€
Mapex's Mars series is good for heavy metal playing;
Good video
Well done
Thank you Kevin. What’s your favorite kit? //Simon
Thank you Kevin. What’s your favorite kit? //Simon
TAMA! my favorite
Out of these I like the Pearl but I will take a birch Yamaha over all of these, anyday of the week.
8:54 Ah yess, I'd need a drum lesson for Physical Education ;D You could combine the lesson with gear for djent like stacks, splashes etc.
Great idea. Will think about it! //Simon
My personal favorite metal drummers are Joey Jordison and Janne jaloma. They are just amazing🤘
They so are!!! What inspires you when you listen to them playing drums? //Simon
I have a wonderful Mapex saturn sterling sparkle kit (years ago I paid it 1600 euro circa, ordered from Miami and waited 6 months to have it). Kick sound great, tom sound good but my personal choice would be something with more melodic and longer sustain on toms like for ex Pdp cx, lx, x7. Here my choice is Pearl.
Hi Rob. Thanks for the comment. Sounds great. Where are you from? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Italy
Tama!
I would have to go Mapex, Pearl, Tama.
Thought it would be just a two horse race between the Mapex and Tama kits, but the Pearl was the dark horse. Outstanding!
Could you tell us which heads were used in this comparison, and whether you think another head, like an Emad, might bring out more low end punch from the kick?
Oh, also, since i'm interested in going for the Pearl, could you tell me if the Pearl clamps are compatible with Tama or Yamaha cymbal stands, plz?
Great comparison anyhows, thanks and all the best!
Hi PJ. So the heads we used on the Toms are all Remo Emperor Clear. I definitely think the Emad could bring out more low end out of the kick if necessary.
About the clamps.: I think they are when mounting on a stand. But the Tom Mount is different though. But I guess you already know that :) //Simon
Anyone interested in getting these drums but who might have some lingering doubts about the seeming lack of lowdown punch should check this promo vid of the kit played by Lester Estelle - the drums, here with Evans heads on and including an Emad on the kick. Killer drummer and song..
th-cam.com/video/Swo5XcfBHVo/w-d-xo.html
My favorite drummer is Mike Portnoy, but how to find Tama Starclassic Bubinga drumset now?)))
Pretty good question. Maybe on eBay or Reverb? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash I personally prefer Tama Starclassic Maple, but I own Tama Superstar HD Maple Kit.
@@steeltruedrum Both are great kits!
Used market. They're out there
The Pearl sts clearly is the winner hands down the best drum manufacturer out there 🤘
Mario Duplantier from Gojira, you have to check him out. One of, if not the best drummer out there
He's amazing!!! I love his playing. What would you think about a Top 5 Gojira Groove Video? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Mega, fände ich echt geil.
Alles klar! :-) Hast du bestimmte Songs im Auge? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Born For One Thing, Only Pain, Oroborus, Vacuity, The Cell, Pray, Low Lands, Silvera, Stranded, L'enfant Savage, The Gift Of Guilt, A Sight To Behold (Mein Lieblingslied), Born in Winter, From Mars und To Sirius (sind zwei zusammenhängende Songs). Das sind jetzt auch nur Lieder die ich mir selbst zutraue zu Spielen.
@@the_Kiwi666 alles klar. Mega. Danke dir.
Jen ledgers kit from Skillet
The Mapex kit (2nd one) is my favourite.
I like this one too. Great Punch and tone! What would be your second choice?
@Thomann's Drum Bash definitely Pearl. I've been a Pearl/Mapex player all my life. Tried Yamaha, Tama, and Ludwigs, and I keep coming back to Mapex and Pearl. This video was a *great example* of why I do. ;)
Tama
Im surprised you didn't throw the Gretsch energy kit in there it's a decent price and it sounds like that take kit.
Hi James. So i have to check out that kit. Never played or heard it. Do you own it or did you have the chance to play on it?
@@ThomannsDrumBash yes i do own one its a 22x18 kick 10x8 12x10 and 16x16 toms the snare is standard 14x5.5
@@ThomannsDrumBash also the peace genesis is a good kit if it had better hardware I own both kits my genesis kit is out of commission as the hardware for it is no longer made and the lugs are plastic but it sounded good for its price a little smaller on the kick though being only 20x16 but ya the energy kit is phenomenal
paul seidel is by far one of the best n often overlooked or under rated metal drummers
Favourite metal drummer currently is matt Halpern
Great to hear that. There will be a video coming out soon that you will love then! After Matt who would be your next favorite drummer? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Sleep Token’s drummer or Matt Gartska
@@thedutchdjentleman I love Matt Garstkas drumming!!! :-) //Simon
Matt griener!! august burns red!
TAMA of course
Danny carey is my favorite drummer
My favorite drummer is Danny carrey
Metaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllll🤟🏽 Igor P. Cavalera...wait does Delta Empire count???
Tama 👍🏽
Of course it counts! Why not? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash cause delta a studio player not from a band, or so it would have you believe, # delta is not entirely from earth 🤭
Favourite metal drummers are surely Nicko McBrain and Thomen Stauch.
Hi Daniele. Thanks for sharing. What about a top 5 Iron Maiden Groove Video? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash That would be great!
To an unattentive listener they can seem very similar but there are a lot of variations and sublety in ghosts and details to them.
That is totally true. What would be your favorite songs? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Hard to tell, there are so many.
Iconically speaking, The Trooper with the signature gallop, The Wicker Man for one example of the foot tecnique, The Longest Day for a more articulated construction in the more recent ones, The Clansman for a different take on the galloping... I mean, I can go on for a while.
@@DennyMala Wow thanks. Uhh...the Wicker Man....such a classic. Love The bell rhythm :-)
Tama, pearl, then mapex.
Alex Rudinger, who until recently played Tama SLP Dynamic Kapur drums - quite similar sounding and priced to those Pearl Session Studio Select drums, so maybe good for comparative purposes too..
Here's a link to his promo for those drums
th-cam.com/video/r1FHD5DvUKY/w-d-xo.html
Hey PJ. Thanks for sharing. Alex is an incredible drummer! I really dig his style of playing! //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash
Yeah, he's up there among the greats.
Can't resist sharing this cover - with him playing on that Dynamic Kapur kit, with that John Tempesta snare. . Awesome!
th-cam.com/video/cPTJzeEqkFs/w-d-xo.html
@@ThomannsDrumBash
Tbh, I guess Danny Carey would be my favorite drummer, but it'd be just a tad difficult to put together a similar sounding kit to his, and within the price range of these kits you've demo'd here...!
Would really love to hear you demo that Dynamic Kapur kit, though...
Any chance of that happening, Simon?
Tama starclassic alll dayyyyyyy. That Matt garstka Meinl equillibrium China sound soooo good. For me it’s tama, and then pearl, and then mapex. Not to mention the finish just looks by far the best on the Tama. And the Tama hardware is the best in the game.
Right? It sounds incredible!!! //Simon
The Rev
The Mapex and the Tama ran a real close second! I’ve owned Mapex drums and had no complaints at all but hearing them all played one at a time was rather cool! But to show off the drums why not leave the cymbals in their bags?
Hi Donald. Thanks for the comment. Wouldn't drums without cymbals be half naked? //Simon
My favourite Drummer a.t.m is Evgeny Novikov from Slaughter to Prevail. He is an absolute Machine on the Drums!
Physical Education should be your standard outro groove
You mean the Animal as Leaders song? 😅 //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash exactly
All else equal, the Pearl drums sounded the most live and had the longest sustain. The Mapex kit sounded much darker and drier. The Tama kit sounded the brightest and had the most attack out of the three kits. Slightly drier than the Pearl, but more live than the Mapex kit. Probably due to having die-cast hoops all around the kit and thicker shells.
As far as brands, Mapex makes the best value-for-money kits if you want the best sounding kit at the lowest possible price. Pearl has the widest product range and offers far more customization options than the other two. The only area Pearl lacks in is hardware. While they’ve released tons of new hardware products lately that keep up with the competition now, they’ve historically been behind other top-of-the-line brands. Tama makes arguably the best hardware and the best drums for high-volume applications.
If I ignored cost, I’d go with Pearl, but Tama would be an extremely close second.
none of these kits doesn’t fits my taste, to be honest... but in my arsenal I have a 12” Mapex Warbird snare and it’s killer instrument for intense music
Thanks for sharing. It is a killer snare drum. What would be your favorite kit for Metal then? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash well, actually I consider myself as a pretty universal drummer/musician, so I need universal instrument. I’m a Premier dude since ‘96, have English made GenX and Genista kits. From Premier I would choose Genista for rock/metal. Birch shells, clean sounding instrument, brilliant.
btw, I had opportunity to play for some time all of like these on video kits, and for metal probably I would choose Pearl shells (but not hardware). They have clean, pretty aggressive and dominant sound. Mapex has the same “aggression”, but their tone is to low for my taste. Tama to me sounds in between of Pearl and Mapex.
Pearl Masters Maple would top all those for the same price.
Do you have experienced that? Can't decide between Pearl Studio Birch/Mahogany oder Pearl Masters pure Maple
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Mapex all day!
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My favorite drummers are Mike Mangini and Mike Portnoy.
They both are incredible players! //Simon
Pearl all the way
And you
Thank you!!! //Simon
Joey jordison
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My favorite metal drummer is Joey Jordison
1.Pearl 2.Tama 3.Mapex...😊
Sounds good to me!!! Would you like to see such kind of Video for a different musical style? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash Yes sure. It will be very interesting! Keep it up Simon! 👍
Thanks! Will do!!! //Simon
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Tama all day.
I think 80 % of TAMA'S drummers on their roster all play some sort of RAWK!!! That kit is even punchier than most Birch kits I've heard, especially live!
2:38 UNSAINTED YEAH
Oh yeah! :) Great you recognized it!!! //Simon
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Danny Carey
Zack grooves
Hi Shakiel. Who's Zack? //Simon
@@ThomannsDrumBash th-cam.com/channels/W7LtGizqathWM2mUKYAx_g.html
Unless they all have the same bearing edge you aren't comparing apples to apples
TAMA the best
It's funny we all have our brands we like but if somebody tuned them all good with new heads and played the same beat and did a blind test, there's no way to tell which kit is the brand you like! They all make good sounding kits but they all also make shit kits.
You know how to drum but your ears don't know how to listen. That's all I've got to say.
Das tama is halt am schönsten 😜