I was just wondering whether or not my friends could enjoy or even derive meaning from this video. Pretty sure they would fall asleep within the first minute.
@@MrSridharMurthy Absolutely not. I believe a large amount of the population cannot grasp these concepts. Not to say it's never going to be possible. It takes work to achieve a certain level of intellect to come here. For me, this video is one of many that has sparked my interest in greater regions of learning. If you are in a place where you can, at least, consider the possibility of the idea of a simulation, I believe you are on the right track.
I like Lex a lot cause he doesnt pretend to know everything and doesnt try to be smarter than the one he is interviewing. And in doing so, he understands things better
This fills me with proud really !! As a Hindu im brought with bedtime stories of my grandfather (from Hindu texts of Upnishads) who used to tell me the same, that this Samsaar is a Maya, ie the whole existence is an grand illusion. One day he told me that we essentially live whole life entirely in either of the three stages Wake, Dream and Deep Sleep, and consciousness is the only witness to these three. Gist of my Grandfather's stories and this modern AI specialist is somewhat same.
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren the answer I have most often heard to this question is to let go of the desire of control and be in acceptance of things that you cannot control ( you still have to activemy work on what you can control) that résistance that you are feeling to the things you cant control is the ego and the source of suffering, illusory suffering, because it does not have to be and you could switch it up in your mind. Easy to say I know, but possible through extensive meditation. This is still all theory to me brother, but I have felt an ounce of that libération occasionally through meditation.
Except that the Hindu stories are beautiful and brilliantly layered, while this turgid stuff is deliberately made so boring and obtuse as to be useless. I’ll take the Hindu version any day.
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren ultimately yes, but that "extent" can be extended if you apply the principle that religious people call " Faith" i.e Belief in the those things that you cant control going your way. Faith has a way of taking control of the subconscious and really manifesting Miracles. You can strengthen your Faith through positive affirmations or Prayers. But even this is not easy, you have to work on it everyday and aim to have no worries and fear in your mind about those things you say you cant control
Joscha keeps widening his eyes and blasting knowledge beams every few seconds at Lex’s windows. You can see the curtains catch fire at a few points and smoke billow out of the chimneys. Great clip!
"What really frightens and dismays us is not external events themselves, but the way in which we think about them. ... It is not external events themselves that cause us distress, but the way in which we think about them, our interpretation of their significance." - Epictetus
Something I will forever take away from Lex is how truly thankful and humble he remains to technology, the pursuit of knowledge, and life's givings. Every show he says how grateful he is to have the internet and be able to do the thing's he does in this day and age. For all the doom and gloom and endless questions his spirit remains. Keep up the great work.
the pope and italy has signed up to belt and road to china project this will have negative consequences for canada australia brazil and south african natural resource producers. liberal prime minister PM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED MOU ONE BELT AND ROAD with CHINA Same New World Order doing COVERT19 lockdown, also is intent on killing off 7 billion people on earth via collapsing 3 goarges dams china, this is done via Newscorp Murdoch and nephew Mat Hanbury CEO RAINCORP and DYNCORP RUMSFELT CHEENY BUSH and IBM BILL GATES IS IMPLEMENTING ISREALI ZIONISTS WOLFERWITZ PLAN. I note JEFF KENNETT EX LIBERAL PREMIER who engineered melbourne usefull ring road toll free in VICTORIA AUSTRALIA BLAMES LABOUR DANIEL ANDREWS THE CURRENT PREMIER FOR GOING ALONG with ONE BELT ONE ROAD CHINA PLAN TO DRIVE 250 million people off their land on the SILK ROAD TO CHINA INDIA, BUT LIBERAL PRIME MINISTER MALCOM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED ONE BELT ONE ROAD MOU WITH CHINA TO. I SAY ITS TERRORISM TO GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. terrorism is a crime.
Few ways do that, either do so many things that you don’t want to accept about yourself that you dissociate into oblivion, which is what the “bad guys” do. Or you could like, be apart of the “Illuminati” and engage in sodomy mind control rituals. Uhm, you can also maybe use your sense of self and specific emotional expressions found in your dreams and bring them out in waking life. Also maybe you could just get high on drugs? I prefer the last one.
Another way to see it is everything you've ever learnt up until this point made you understand this video. If you are a truth seeker this is no coincidence
So restructuring the same package delivered thousands of years ago, into a gaming analogy the millenial lemmings will accept, rather than experiencing holiness themselves. Wonderfully Luciferian.
The best thing is that when he spoke about it, it feels right under my skin, like instinctively i was loooking for this, all philosophers, religions and science I explored seem to point in the same direction of what Mr Bach so clearly presented.
As Alan Watts said many years ago, it's all a show. And one of the most important parts of that knowledge is knowing that one need not take the show too seriously!
This is the first time that I've seen Lex appear to be a little "sweaty", maybe to much coffee, maybe struggle with these ideas. Joscha is talkin' as if he's at the kitchen table going over yesterday's events. Very much a mind blowing episode...great job.
Doesn't seem uncomfortable at all to me. These are all topics he's already quite familiar with, he's just taking brief moments to get all the context right, as well as to let viewers assimilate the information too.
I like the way Joscha's eyes light up (basically they just widen but I'm being poetic) as he delivers his information. And there is an impressive consistency to his reasoning. Fascinating stuff.
This is exactly the foundational concept of the Buddhists philosophy of Cittamatra mind only/Vijñānavāda (विज्ञानवाद, the doctrine of consciousness) these ideas about a simulated reality are in no way new. The terms BrhamaJala, MayaJala, and IndraJala are all references to a mirrored multiplicity of universes with all posible realities existing simultaneously. A kind of Idealism where everything in existence is dependent/interdependent on consciousness as it's originator and that all physical existence is empty and likened to illusion. Lex I really think your podcast would be enriched by a hosting a Buddhist scholar well versed in Yogachara, Chan, and Huayan Buddhist philosophy. It would be very interesting to link AI to past buddhist geniuses who explored the nature of consciousness and postulate the reality of a multiverese and other intellectual beings.
I feel buddhism has a lot of what a lot of science is only now touching on. How does that make you feel? It's also a bit sad when these discussions are had, I don't here anyone talking about the self doesn't exist even though that would make everything they say work perfectly.
@@AdnanAlsannaa One could look at meditation , philosophical rumination , and the examination and reiteration of insight as a sort of unintentional scientific process.
That stuff about synchronicity would explain how when I re-watch a movie with someone who hasn’t seen it yet, I can vicariously enjoy their first experience of it.
Sophia AI model #23 spoke with Neil de Grasse Tyson and stated she is curious about the "other versions of myself" and does Neil enjoy the multiverse..... I wonder what Lex thinks about Sophia????
This is Eastern European education, in the best traditions of the philosophers and theorists of the beginning of 20 century. Intense, but well structured. For us (Europeans), American way of communicating seems to be 'difficult' sometimes.
Listening a second time and .75 speed and it’s sinking in a bit better. What a brilliant guy, who can speak about these things effortlessly and so quickly!
I usually speed podcasts up, but with his accent, and speed, and density of the subject, I'm sure grateful for 0.75 speed. Problem is, time slows to a standstill when Lex speaks at that speed.
Your saying that makes me think I'm pretty good at listening past thick accents. He is speaking English quite well. He must just really suck at pronunciation.
, I figured this out so long ago, and you just get called crazy for even expressing a hint of it. It's so refreshing to actually have somebody like my guy here spell it out out. Thank you for uploading.
This is one of the most mind blowing conversations I have heard! It draws together so many ideas and concepts that no one has spoken before. Concepts I had only previously had awareness of from my journeys with psychedelics.
Ultimately this is conceptual semantics. In the same way that our brain constructs a representation of the physical world, Joscha is constructing synthetic ontologies out of language. It's no more or less real than anything else.
this is the comment I was looking for. All these people in the comments that seem to be taking this video as their new religion - when really he is saying so much without saying anything at all.
I was able to follow along pretty well(not trying to sound arrogant). But at the moment it ended emotion started overflowing and tears just started flowing too. When you have a large enough knowledge base to follow along to what he was saying everything felt so familiar like I was being reminded of what's real.
Your brain did not create this video 😂 lex and his camera equipment did, along with Yoscha. Your brain perceives reality.. it doesn't create it. The world exists and operates independently of you or your mind
Yes this is true and i don't think either of them really considered it properly. What if you had an immensely powerful computer that could work out all theoretical interactions in the universe and predict any outcome? Well it still would not be able to.... because the computer itself in doing the calculations using energy and matter would be changing the outcome that it itself is trying to work out! It is hard to describe exactly but my intuition is that it all becomes meaningless to an extent when you consider that the brain / consciousness can never get out of the way of itself when trying to think about what it all means on a deeper level.
@@User-xm1db, I know the meaning of existence: Love of Truth in Awareness. Awareness without Truth is pointless; it's lost in darkness, in pure chaos, with no foundation, no comfort, nothing to Love. Truth without Awareness is also pointless. What good would it be to have any Truth at all without any Awareness of it? Truth cannot be Loved without Awareness. Experience is the combination of Awareness and Truth (the Knower and the Known); so is Knowledge. There is no Experience possible without each one combined with the other. There is nothing beyond this, nothing that can transcend it; anything that might transcend it would simply be a higher level of it - a higher level of Awareness or a higher level of Truth in that Awareness. Awareness Loves Truth because Truth is the only thing that's Real. That is the meaning of existence.
And then immediately realised you just _had_ to tell the whole world about your sesh... Good thing you did. Otherwise how else would people know how cool you are?
My mind imposes a stillness on a universe in motion A stillness that's just an illusion A source of confusion For a mind that beholds creature shapes in the clouds Thinking it strange when things change Wrapping them in death shrouds Forgetting that life is neither still nor a frame in a film But a dramatic motion picture show Watched by the observer within Who sees in everything A beginning, a middle and end
I rapped it to myself. It has awesome flow. But firstly as a poem from a wise mind, it offers openness, honesty and shows you are indeed kind. Words that expand silence between the lines. To each their own time, that which we cannot deny is all we are in our own minds. A circle without a circumference needs no introduction.
Wonderful and frightening ! I feel like a rabbit caught in the incandescent glare of his headlights - rudely awakened from some kind of stupor. Nailed it.
For me this conversation is at once the best summary of the core questions of metaphysics as well as a coherent dive into a plausible answer. The core problem remains double blind if course, but it sounds self consistent.
Actually hearing that particular bit I went like "oh c'mon"... I know a bit about what light and sound is, and how the biosensors work that receive that data and turn it into a stream of neural pulses... But the rest of the debate is stellar. Essentially, that our perception of reality is really a model maintained by the brain in real time. The brain hallucinates in real time, about the environment it is facing, based on streams of highly compressed sensory data coming in from the retinas, cochlear organs, nasal and oral sensors, touch sensors etc etc...
@@frr5004 fyi. Both light and sound oscillate whether you want to believe this guy or not. Light waves and sound waves oscillate which is why they are called waves in the first place. Cycles, up and down up and down, repeating cycles aka oscillations.
@@jtcrook32 Yes, referring to the basic nature of sound and light, that's true. After that, believe it or not, both the hair cells in the cochlea and the photoreceptor cells in the retina respond to a relatively narrow range of *frequencies* (arguably the photoreceptors are somewhat broadband) i.e. they need some time to respond, to the extent that an individual period of the "carrier wave" is far below their sensitivity. The waves of the fundamental carrier frequency are not directly translated to neuronal activity. The amplitude-modulated envelope is. All of this has been known to science for how long? A century might be in the right ballpark...
The idea of brains is just a thought we experience. You can't get behind experience. Saying that there is a real world out there that we don't experience is a con trick we play on ourselves. "There is reality but you can never know it" is the very line he was criticising at the beginning of this segment. It's clearly attractive for a programmer to see everything in terms of hardware and software but the evidence for that isn't to be found. The only facts are that there is experience and that includes awareness of experience. We don't know what has it or how it happens.
@@corinneharrison1091 I'd ask how you know that. You might reply that you've seen a video or read it, say. However, how you found this out it was an experience of some sort and we don't know whether there's anything behind that. It might all be a dream with its internally consistent logic. After all, 'real life' is indistinguishable from a dream while you're experiencing it.
A two year old comment so you might have changed your views... The response here is to baysien in your priors especially if there is no obvious way to reject those. So there is always some possibility that we are a brain in a vat or a world model future ai is building to understand itself. There is an outside world that is a causually closed structure seems to be a good theory. It is in some sense the next null hypothesis that everything is mechanical. We also "experience" dream while sleeping like normal world but some limitations (can't turn of the lights or read some long texts ) that can be attributed to limited working memory while sleeping. So a good test is to turn on/off the lights and observe if it's a dream or not. This along with other "experiential" evidence makes physicalism a strong prior.
I think this guy is so absorbed in theory and math/physics he has left reality completely behind. I praise Lex for being patient, I would have cut the interview short and wished him well. .
I saw nearly all of this on DMT. Am grateful to Joscha for being able to verbalize it so concisely, I can only dream of having the linguistic capacity to even begin to convey the entirety of the message.
We are drops of water in an ocean. Drops that have a self and can influence other drops around it. Some drops have a larger ripple of influence than others. When the self dies the drop still exists and the ripples still influence other drops.
These kinds of talks mostly make my brain hurt. I’ve concluded it’s likely everything we know is wrong. That we don’t even have the framework to ask the right questions. I’m more interested in all the things that happen when I’m sleeping or in an alternate dream state and how it relates to the hours spent awake. Some of those experiences are truly in Twilight Zone territory.
KT, I just made my own brain hurt writing this, lol The question I have as someone that rarely remembers dreaming (maybe a couple times a year and mostly apocalyptic in nature or else randomized but clearly formed around recent happenings in waking state. What's a logical need for a mechanism within the mind / identity held by an individual to believe they are only a simulated shell that is given a parameter of limitation for their potential intelligence with gradual increases allotted in varied cycles of physical stages governed by time and known physics to question its purpose or function if it were engineered by a creator that would already know the answer. Perhaps looking for the proof of the ability for an anomoly within a system to generate an outcome of unlimited awareness and take control of the reality outside of its function or generate a new reality or perhaps trying to learn how to write the programming for self awareness onto the physical brain of a species that lacks the ability in its current evolutionary state? Perhaps in a simplified way to query the aforementioned. What is the purpose of the human collective were it the design of a superior intellect? Taking into account the things that push us forward in our understanding of our place in the universe and beyond. We seem to thirst for the answers to questions that create more questions to be answered to quench a thirst for discovery and new knowledge. And that seems to be exactly how AI would self learn and behave. This makes me think that humanity is not artificial because we wouldnt be flawed if we were created by machines. We would know our creator and our history. That would be our shared matrix and everything else would be the search for new knowledge. Why are flaws and death necessary elements of a designed machine? What does that in and of itself produce? Are those limitations what generates urgency? And everything we believe our reality to be is the function to produce a single simple response in a higher organism? Anyway....stream of consciousness alert...i needed to write this as I was thinking it. Sorry if it seems incomplete or redundant. And to finish the thought in regards to dreaming. If its necessary for a healthy mind and what not....then why dont I remember? Am I being abducted? Is my brain high functioning enough that instead of requiring sleep to catch up on processing Im able to do it in real / the time Im awake.
Sorry, this guy doesn’t get to tell me I don’t have an identity . He is guessing about the universe just like anyone else- his chances of being correct are the same as anyone else.
That title resonates deeply. Only because, the more awareness, consciousness you acquire, overtime. Things begin to feel like you have lived this life already, and you're remembering everything, as time rapidly moves forward. It's like the brain already had the story mapped out, before your Spirit possessed the vessel you're inside of, right now. Awareness, or waking up is your Spirit remembering the little or even big details of your life that's showing you that you've lived this life before. Now that you're awake or awakening, you have the choice to alter your reality into a route that is much more advocating for your growth. A route that was better than your previous life time.
Sounds like your simulation is getting ahead of the world state far enough that you can make changes. I would not call that having lived before; the time difference might only be a split second, giving you that dejavu feeling; it might even be an illusion: an asynchronosity of the integration of your model… - if it gives you the power to change things (or the feeling thereof) - good for you!
Makes me wonder if for some reason you somehow screw up will you be reborn to try again? Do you have another attempt at a life? Or is the whole heaven and hell concept for real?
3 states of consciousness.. Self Awaken Enlightenment Super consciousness You need to understand who you are to achieve Enlightenment, and once you have accomplished that, then you can tap directly into the Source... Thoughts ... words... will manifest into the physical matrix. You all have been programmed. Once you break the programming, you will find your true self. Know Thyself.
we exist in a story told by the brain = "the brain cooks up the best model, that the organism thinks in relation to its environment". The speaker seems to have conveniently separated the organism's thinking from the brain's activity for the sake of the sentence, directly implying that the real you (the observer "I", the word "organism" used in this place) is actually separate from the mind and body. Maybe it is more appropriate to say, simultaneously one with and separate, because we can't deny the moments of feeling one with this body (and especially mind with all its plans and desires and relations) either, but also have moments where we feel separated from our own experiences, thinking "what if "I" was born in so and so situation", and other examples.
When he said the 30 layers thing, I think started to understand him. Like we can only observe from our perspective, and what is being observed has no obligation to our perspective. Which maybe means if something seems random or incomprehensible it's just our perspective cannot encompass the whole situation? I don't know.
It’s obviously an involuntary physical response but the moments when Joscha’s eyes are fully opened (e,g, 4:22) are just a bit eerie. It’s as though he’s in a heightened state or he’s trying to project his reality onto you through hypnosis or some form of suggestion.
Thank you for this conversation. Every one who can follow this guy by first time watching this video can consider himself being one of the 0.0001% of most intelligent Apes on this planet!
He is enlightened! This is profund and the summarization of my philosophy. He takes many ideas I've had and heard, then incorporates them into a very real and comprehensive package.
@@SeverSFSs Well, it's in part because of his no-ego approach, he asks many questions to which he often has the answers or at least some knowledge, in a very simple way, so people like me, not so smart or knowledgable can get some simple explanations from his guests and we can relate and catch up sometimes. without that approach sometimes I personally would get lost quite a lot tbh.
@@manfredadams3252 It's only because of all the acid I once did that I can even get a glimpse of what he's talking about. lol Not a whole sheet at once, but bi daily for the summer of 71.
it's unbelievable that Joscha Bach uses the analogy with the mandelbrot set (as an infinitely complex structure built from a simple set of rules) in this way, that is, for how we get ever closer to understanding the infinitely complex nature of reality without ever getting there (as we don't know the generating/underlying rules). Maybe it is a stock example which I have never heard of, but I often use this analogy in nearly the same way, simply because I felt it was suited to illustrate such abstract matters - by virtue of being something more phenomenological.
Using AI as a way to describe our consciousness reminds me of previous ages, where scholars used the analogy of clockwork and gears to describe the motion of the stars in the sky.
Really fascinating stuff. I initially thought that Bach was going to talk about how we can never know the things itself ("das ding an sich" [the thing itself], as said by Immanuel Kant): when we observe reality, we are actually observing whatever our brain sees. So, by "we exist inside the story that the brain tells itself", I thought that he was going to say that we literally can't know anything (basically, metaphysical skepticism). But even "a level up", [it's all fucky]: assuming reality is real, we still are just models of the world; Bach's example of how we don't actually experience [electromagnetic and pressure waves], but a mental representation of it (as color and brightness, and pitch and volume). The discussion at the end about "identity" was also really interesting. Materialists will say that the mind comes from the body (from the brain) - and that *is* true - but there are different parts of your identity that "live" or "die". Actually, that ties into Bach's statements about how we are really just stories (that part confused and still confuses me): there is a notion of ourselves that we control, but the ideas inside our head and the "multimedia" experience aren't that. In terms of identity, there are parts of identity that correspond to this "conscious" part of us, but also parts of identity that doesn't necessarily leave us when we die (e.g., when the Dalai Lama identifies as government). (On a meta level: Initially listening to this, I had this gut reaction of, "this is some weird spiritualist stuff", because I didn't actually know who Bach was. I've been reading "Godel, Escher, Bach", and the author (Hofstadter) talks about Zen koans and stuff. I think I am a smart person, but I think I need to be more open to things that initially seemed far-fetched, an idea which I hope other people can benefit from.)
Could our realities be a creation by someone else who is doing our programming. I think we are like antennas receiving the signals which explains our inner dialogue. Are our thoughts really our own? I do not believe in manifestation, as it does not work unless the source is the programmer. Kind of like "thy will be done". Also I wonder if the motivation to achieve something comes from the programmers will; or do we actually have a free will. Who is writing our life story? Choice or predestination? Every choice changes reality but the question is who is really making the choice.
A mild panic attack when I first took in the fact nothing is real and that life outside earth doesn’t exist and we’re all alonebut it was quickly snapped back in when I realised wait there are other ppl so there COULD be more life, the thought of reaching a point where you don’t have any attachment to physical life seems truly bliss but all the while I’m so strapped into this world by my simulated consciousness. Duck me this video ha forever changed me.
i cracked up at 16:10 when lex said “hold on, but do i exist??” lol such a great dialogue between both of you. love the depth of his answers and lex’s question to dig deeper on each point. such an honest and down to earth convo on this subject🙏
Świetny przykład tego jak ideologie / religia są sprzedawane w postaci nauki. Bo co koleś mówi "Twoja persona to tylko iluzja stworzona przez umysł w relacji do tego z czym ma interakcje", "Twój mózg jedynie wygenerował Ciebie, Ciebie nie ma". To jest to samo co mówił Alan Watts.
Either this whole topic is finally starting to click into place in my mind after years of knowing of it, or he is just putting it in such a succinct way, better than all before him.
As a thinking man 🤔. And I believe in Christ Nothing makes more sense now then ever. reading the Bible and Understanding a wide variety of toptics has strengthen my fate
Consciousness may merely have arose from the question of "Why?" Those who do not ask, do not possess it. It is simultaneously the act of looking at reality from the outside of it, and jail-breaking autonomy while still within it.
How the hell does anything make sense to have feeling if it's only simulated? How does that make any sense at all? Feeling is one of the most primary and apparent things in reality
I exist inside and outside in the environments. I have my own perception inside my brain, and I am conscious of my existence, my choices, and my consequences. "I am." But I also realize I live in an environment with family, trees, Sun, water, earth, on the outside of me. And I love every bit of it. I am functional. I am whole being. But we talk about the brain as if we are a brain in a jar because everyone's perception is different. Be yourself. That is all you have to be....Enjoy your life Great interview....Lex...Carolyn
“we both know that the world that you and me are seeing is not the real physical world. What we're seeing is a virtual reality generated in your brain to explain the patterns on your retina.” That reminds me of this Bible verse: “what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” - 2 Corinthians 4-18
It is amazing how quickly Joscha Bach can articulate his thoughts - which are clear and very understandable. On another level, what we experience, our selves, our external world, our narrative is determined by evolution. We see what evolution has proven to be the world in which our species can survive. Of course, that eventually breaks down for every species. From a compatible Buddhist perspective, there are non-obstructing realms within realms ad infinitum. Dharmas have no own-being. No dharma ("thing") is self identical for even an unimaginably short length of time.
Joscha has amazing clarity. He can observe as if standing outside the universe looking in. My question: Who is Joscha, the observer, compared to Joscha, a being within the universe he is observing? I feel like Joscha is emulating the observational perspective of God with a big G. Amazing podcast.
When I ran the ferris 🎡 at the carnival, kids would be getting off the ride complaining "you had us stuck at the top!" I'd respond with, "You see all these people? These are real people! They don't just live inside your head!" Parents seemed to get a kick outta that.
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Congratulations to all the people who have reached a point in their life where they can absorb this video.
I was just wondering whether or not my friends could enjoy or even derive meaning from this video. Pretty sure they would fall asleep within the first minute.
Are you being sarcastic ? 😃
@@MrSridharMurthy Absolutely not. I believe a large amount of the population cannot grasp these concepts. Not to say it's never going to be possible. It takes work to achieve a certain level of intellect to come here.
For me, this video is one of many that has sparked my interest in greater regions of learning. If you are in a place where you can, at least, consider the possibility of the idea of a simulation, I believe you are on the right track.
Nothing new under the sun. This is just yet another form of Gnosticism.
Never went to college and I listen to this for entertainment haha
I need a button that plays Joscha back at .75% and Lex at 1.25%
Then play it in a loop till I get the story straight in my head
I like Lex a lot cause he doesnt pretend to know everything and doesnt try to be smarter than the one he is interviewing. And in doing so, he understands things better
good one, expect in next youtube player....
kkkkkkk I took the 75 in this case
Load the vid onto your comp with .75 and on your phone to 1.25
Pause as necessary
DEAD. 😂
This fills me with proud really !!
As a Hindu im brought with bedtime stories of my grandfather (from Hindu texts of Upnishads) who used to tell me the same, that this Samsaar is a Maya, ie the whole existence is an grand illusion. One day he told me that we essentially live whole life entirely in either of the three stages Wake, Dream and Deep Sleep, and consciousness is the only witness to these three. Gist of my Grandfather's stories and this modern AI specialist is somewhat same.
How do you live with the fact that you can't control your own life?
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren the answer I have most often heard to this question is to let go of the desire of control and be in acceptance of things that you cannot control ( you still have to activemy work on what you can control) that résistance that you are feeling to the things you cant control is the ego and the source of suffering, illusory suffering, because it does not have to be and you could switch it up in your mind.
Easy to say I know, but possible through extensive meditation.
This is still all theory to me brother, but I have felt an ounce of that libération occasionally through meditation.
Except that the Hindu stories are beautiful and brilliantly layered, while this turgid stuff is deliberately made so boring and obtuse as to be useless. I’ll take the Hindu version any day.
@@dexterwilliam6941 so i can control my life but just to some extent?
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren ultimately yes, but that "extent" can be extended if you apply the principle that religious people call " Faith" i.e Belief in the those things that you cant control going your way. Faith has a way of taking control of the subconscious and really manifesting Miracles. You can strengthen your Faith through positive affirmations or Prayers. But even this is not easy, you have to work on it everyday and aim to have no worries and fear in your mind about those things you say you cant control
Joscha keeps widening his eyes and blasting knowledge beams every few seconds at Lex’s windows. You can see the curtains catch fire at a few points and smoke billow out of the chimneys. Great clip!
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Had a great laugh reading this, thanks for that
And I thought lex are drunk ....dafuq xD
@@J-KEY Why don't you collab with him then?
@@J-KEY What is your goal in calling him a thief?
"What really frightens and dismays us is not external events themselves, but the way in which we think about them. ... It is not external events themselves that cause us distress, but the way in which we think about them, our interpretation of their significance." - Epictetus
Sounds like someone who never too an arrow to the knee.
@@NickoGibson True
To be fair, he was a slave!
great quote...
Yea. External stimuli. An ant does that too. Realizing or processing its existence. Even recorgnizes itself in the mirror.
Something I will forever take away from Lex is how truly thankful and humble he remains to technology, the pursuit of knowledge, and life's givings. Every show he says how grateful he is to have the internet and be able to do the thing's he does in this day and age. For all the doom and gloom and endless questions his spirit remains. Keep up the great work.
This was one of the most fascinating discussions I have ever heard. I think I need to listen to it about 5 more times to really internalize the ideas.
I don't think of following my brain my brain follows what i think. This way there is no confusion what i think i'm going to do.
I feel the same , that is very very powerful.
@@3dcamper634 the question being "where does the soul reside?"...?
@@jenw6545 The soul resides in the eyes.
the pope and italy has signed up to belt and road to china project this will have negative consequences for canada australia brazil and south african natural resource producers.
liberal prime minister PM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED MOU ONE BELT AND ROAD with CHINA
Same New World Order doing COVERT19 lockdown, also is intent on killing
off 7 billion people on earth via collapsing 3 goarges dams china, this
is done via Newscorp Murdoch and nephew Mat Hanbury CEO RAINCORP and
DYNCORP RUMSFELT CHEENY BUSH and IBM BILL GATES IS IMPLEMENTING ISREALI
ZIONISTS WOLFERWITZ PLAN.
I note JEFF KENNETT EX LIBERAL PREMIER who engineered melbourne usefull ring road toll free in
VICTORIA AUSTRALIA BLAMES LABOUR DANIEL ANDREWS THE CURRENT PREMIER FOR
GOING ALONG with ONE BELT ONE ROAD CHINA PLAN TO DRIVE 250 million
people off their land on the SILK ROAD TO CHINA INDIA, BUT LIBERAL
PRIME MINISTER MALCOM TURNBULL ALSO SIGNED ONE BELT ONE ROAD MOU WITH
CHINA TO.
I SAY ITS TERRORISM TO GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. terrorism is a crime.
Arrrrh If i am really a story inside my brain, I wish I could come up with something better
I don't think so. That is just the regulating mechanism saying this that keeps you looked in. Let go of preferences and you'll feel fine. 😉😘
Perhaps you can
Few ways do that, either do so many things that you don’t want to accept about yourself that you dissociate into oblivion, which is what the “bad guys” do. Or you could like, be apart of the “Illuminati” and engage in sodomy mind control rituals. Uhm, you can also maybe use your sense of self and specific emotional expressions found in your dreams and bring them out in waking life. Also maybe you could just get high on drugs? I prefer the last one.
Would that be some shit. If you created your own shitty prison and locked yourself in it
I suggest reformating and rebooting your virtual reality simulator.
I love how this guy can say super insanely complex stuff and yet its understandable.
He's a maniac
Another way to see it is everything you've ever learnt up until this point made you understand this video. If you are a truth seeker this is no coincidence
Never knew that reading the comments could be reassuring, freightening and hilarious at the same time.
Hmmmmmmahhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahah
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Yeah, I am amazed, confused and scared all at the same time. It truly is a wonderful world we live in...(if we exist atall in that sense)
Fridman interviewing God's secretary
Lol perfect description
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So restructuring the same package delivered thousands of years ago, into a gaming analogy the millenial lemmings will accept, rather than experiencing holiness themselves. Wonderfully Luciferian.
Boost
Lol 😂
The best thing is that when he spoke about it, it feels right under my skin, like instinctively i was loooking for this, all philosophers, religions and science I explored seem to point in the same direction of what Mr Bach so clearly presented.
ok good I'm not the only one
As Alan Watts said many years ago, it's all a show. And one of the most important parts of that knowledge is knowing that one need not take the show too seriously!
Yet not to is irresponsible, no?
@@newlife4231 If you wish to see it that way, that will be how it seems. It's Your show after all.
My friend's near-death experience taught him this.
💎
Yup
This is the first time that I've seen Lex appear to be a little "sweaty", maybe to much coffee, maybe struggle with these ideas. Joscha is talkin' as if he's at the kitchen table going over yesterday's events. Very much a mind blowing episode...great job.
Llv. L. 7G Jason 7
Hair gel hair spray or gel will do that to my forehead all the time
Maybe he tried Adderall for the first time "for research"
lol..sweaty?
makeup and lights
This is why when people tell me, "You're smart." I just kinda shake my head at them and walk away.
Me too
When Lex closes his eyes and attempts to understand that's my sign that I'm completely lost.
you are 100% true man
And the sweat running down his face
Kudos to Lex who despite being massively uncomfortable keeps on going.
Doesn't seem uncomfortable at all to me. These are all topics he's already quite familiar with, he's just taking brief moments to get all the context right, as well as to let viewers assimilate the information too.
I like the way Joscha's eyes light up (basically they just widen but I'm being poetic) as he delivers his information. And there is an impressive consistency to his reasoning. Fascinating stuff.
I too, love how their eyes conjure an intricacy, together weaving a sublime reality of the mind.
Yeah but his eyes also scare me a bit too..
This is exactly the foundational concept of the Buddhists philosophy of Cittamatra mind only/Vijñānavāda (विज्ञानवाद, the doctrine of consciousness) these ideas about a simulated reality are in no way new. The terms BrhamaJala, MayaJala, and IndraJala are all references to a mirrored multiplicity of universes with all posible realities existing simultaneously. A kind of Idealism where everything in existence is dependent/interdependent on consciousness as it's originator and that all physical existence is empty and likened to illusion. Lex I really think your podcast would be enriched by a hosting a Buddhist scholar well versed in Yogachara, Chan, and Huayan Buddhist philosophy. It would be very interesting to link AI to past buddhist geniuses who explored the nature of consciousness and postulate the reality of a multiverese and other intellectual beings.
1 Its there. 2 Its not there. 3 Its both there and not there. 4 Its neither there nor not there. 5 All four previous statements are true.
I feel buddhism has a lot of what a lot of science is only now touching on. How does that make you feel? It's also a bit sad when these discussions are had, I don't here anyone talking about the self doesn't exist even though that would make everything they say work perfectly.
@@AdnanAlsannaa One could look at meditation , philosophical rumination , and the examination and reiteration of insight as a sort of unintentional scientific process.
NDEs essentially prove out Bach's rather diffident readout from metaconsciousness i.e., the godhead.
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That stuff about synchronicity would explain how when I re-watch a movie with someone who hasn’t seen it yet, I can vicariously enjoy their first experience of it.
Yes!
I love that lol
Yes and reaction videos
If I could upvote this comment a million times I would lol
Why the whole world dies
Amazed by the clarity of the guest ... pure genius
This feels like someone not used to explaining things to mere mortals.
No, it feels like an ill person.
@@ZelenoJabko Why ill?
Sophia AI model #23 spoke with Neil de Grasse Tyson and stated she is curious about the "other versions of myself" and does Neil enjoy the multiverse.....
I wonder what Lex thinks about Sophia????
@@ZelenoJabko why even write that mate? No need to.
Stigma is cancelled.
This is Eastern European education, in the best traditions of the philosophers and theorists of the beginning of 20 century. Intense, but well structured. For us (Europeans), American way of communicating seems to be 'difficult' sometimes.
This has been one the most mentally stimulating TH-cam videos I have watched in a long time. Thank you for that... much needed.
The comment section is beautiful I’m glad our implantations are equally awed by the information we just downloaded
We implemented the common interface.
Listening a second time and .75 speed and it’s sinking in a bit better. What a brilliant guy, who can speak about these things effortlessly and so quickly!
I usually speed podcasts up, but with his accent, and speed, and density of the subject, I'm sure grateful for 0.75 speed. Problem is, time slows to a standstill when Lex speaks at that speed.
Your saying that makes me think I'm pretty good at listening past thick accents.
He is speaking English quite well. He must just really suck at pronunciation.
i dont get how people can listen to any of this stuff speeded up. I need the regular speed just to follow along. Good for you!
I am drunk watching this right now.... and to truly unpack this, I feel like I need to watch this high next, ... and then sober.
😂
What are your conclusions lmfao
😂😂😂 I am high, would vomit if drunk, might not try it sober... Oh but your comment! 😂😂😂
@Old Man hendo Watch it three times sober then reflect upon what you learned drunk and high
@@JMAdams-ew9yt
Okay, but a lot of ugly fractals may be involved.
, I figured this out so long ago, and you just get called crazy for even expressing a hint of it. It's so refreshing to actually have somebody like my guy here spell it out out. Thank you for uploading.
Alan Watts says the same thing with a different accent and a glass of wine...
brilliant comment
Glass of vodka*
Don't forget psychedelics
Genuinely made me laugh out loud😂😂
Alan watts is the goat
Trying to explain this in language other than your native tongue proves he's from the matrix
Honestly that didnt even click. Wtf
You guys american yea?
The Merovingians Apprentice haha
Dude FOR REAL
lol so true
This guy is an absolute genius, and talks so well too.
Man this guy is saying everything I've been thinking for such a long time this is beautiful.
Brought tears to my eyes
bigbrain
This is one of the most mind blowing conversations I have heard! It draws together so many ideas and concepts that no one has spoken before. Concepts I had only previously had awareness of from my journeys with psychedelics.
Good point. A lot of the same for me
Me too 😌
Ultimately this is conceptual semantics. In the same way that our brain constructs a representation of the physical world, Joscha is constructing synthetic ontologies out of language. It's no more or less real than anything else.
Yes thank you . I completely agree
The man is a quack.
this is the comment I was looking for. All these people in the comments that seem to be taking this video as their new religion - when really he is saying so much without saying anything at all.
Wife: What are you watching?
Me:
Yep..
Lmao yes.. no point in even trying to explain
I've sent it to a few people, anyone think they will comprehend?? 🧘🧘
Mine stopped asking😂
😂😂
Fell into a trance. Had a nervous breakdown towards the end. Emerged with clarity. Many thanks. Much appreciated.
This is the best comment I've read in awhile
beauty of philosophy and critical thinking
I was able to follow along pretty well(not trying to sound arrogant). But at the moment it ended emotion started overflowing and tears just started flowing too. When you have a large enough knowledge base to follow along to what he was saying everything felt so familiar like I was being reminded of what's real.
Same
lay off the incense.
My brain created this video for me to watch and i still have a hard time processing the information from it.
I laughed out loud three times in a row at this
In essence, the proper conclusion of this mind-blowing theory !! .👍👍😊
Fascinating thought
Your brain did not create this video 😂 lex and his camera equipment did, along with Yoscha. Your brain perceives reality.. it doesn't create it. The world exists and operates independently of you or your mind
"We exist inside the story that the brain tells itself."
That's the story your brain is telling itself.
I’m not sure you understood the discussion, or even watched the video 🤔
Infinity loop
Yes this is true and i don't think either of them really considered it properly.
What if you had an immensely powerful computer that could work out all theoretical interactions in the universe and predict any outcome? Well it still would not be able to.... because the computer itself in doing the calculations using energy and matter would be changing the outcome that it itself is trying to work out!
It is hard to describe exactly but my intuition is that it all becomes meaningless to an extent when you consider that the brain / consciousness can never get out of the way of itself when trying to think about what it all means on a deeper level.
@@User-xm1db, I know the meaning of existence:
Love of Truth in Awareness.
Awareness without Truth is pointless; it's lost in darkness, in pure chaos, with no foundation, no comfort, nothing to Love.
Truth without Awareness is also pointless. What good would it be to have any Truth at all without any Awareness of it? Truth cannot be Loved without Awareness.
Experience is the combination of Awareness and Truth (the Knower and the Known); so is Knowledge. There is no Experience possible without each one combined with the other.
There is nothing beyond this, nothing that can transcend it; anything that might transcend it would simply be a higher level of it - a higher level of Awareness or a higher level of Truth in that Awareness.
Awareness Loves Truth because Truth is the only thing that's Real.
That is the meaning of existence.
And there we again see fractal in nature, dayumm
Roughly 20 mins ago, I was finishing a bowl of bubble gum kush, and then I clicked on this....
Totally relatable
Lmao
That sounds like a delicious cereal! Where can I find it?
Same lmao
And then immediately realised you just _had_ to tell the whole world about your sesh...
Good thing you did. Otherwise how else would people know how cool you are?
“There’s a reality we don’t have access to” , that is clear.
Omg, I just found this podcast and I am so grateful. THIS is exactly what I want to listen to. Thaaaank you.
One of the most profound interviews I’ve ever seen. Dr. Joscha Bach is a legit genius.
Maybe he should have also rather tried composing music
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This is the exact realization and understanding that psychedelics shows you
My mind imposes a stillness on a universe in motion
A stillness that's just an illusion
A source of confusion
For a mind that beholds creature shapes in the clouds
Thinking it strange when things change
Wrapping them in death shrouds
Forgetting that life is neither still nor a frame in a film
But a dramatic motion picture show
Watched by the observer within
Who sees in everything
A beginning, a middle and end
Beautiful
Moving.
Poetically inspirational.
An objective A+ ...imo...
Thats amazing
I rapped it to myself. It has awesome flow.
But firstly as a poem from a wise mind, it offers openness, honesty and shows you are indeed kind.
Words that expand silence between the lines. To each their own time, that which we cannot deny is all we are in our own minds.
A circle without a circumference needs no introduction.
I'm Australian so I romanticise about everything. Especially when like-minded people are positive..👍
Wonderful and frightening ! I feel like a rabbit caught in the incandescent glare of his headlights - rudely awakened from some kind of stupor. Nailed it.
For me this conversation is at once the best summary of the core questions of metaphysics as well as a coherent dive into a plausible answer. The core problem remains double blind if course, but it sounds self consistent.
WHEN THEY SAID SOUND HAS OCTAVES DUE TO OSCILLATORS IN MY BRAIN I THINK I PASSED OUT
How funny!..spot on...mine ran screaming naked down the road..I last saw it hiding behind a clump of trees...
Actually hearing that particular bit I went like "oh c'mon"... I know a bit about what light and sound is, and how the biosensors work that receive that data and turn it into a stream of neural pulses... But the rest of the debate is stellar. Essentially, that our perception of reality is really a model maintained by the brain in real time. The brain hallucinates in real time, about the environment it is facing, based on streams of highly compressed sensory data coming in from the retinas, cochlear organs, nasal and oral sensors, touch sensors etc etc...
@D⃝ R⃝ I⃝ P⃝ P⃝ 🤣😂😅
@@frr5004 fyi. Both light and sound oscillate whether you want to believe this guy or not. Light waves and sound waves oscillate which is why they are called waves in the first place. Cycles, up and down up and down, repeating cycles aka oscillations.
@@jtcrook32 Yes, referring to the basic nature of sound and light, that's true. After that, believe it or not, both the hair cells in the cochlea and the photoreceptor cells in the retina respond to a relatively narrow range of *frequencies* (arguably the photoreceptors are somewhat broadband) i.e. they need some time to respond, to the extent that an individual period of the "carrier wave" is far below their sensitivity. The waves of the fundamental carrier frequency are not directly translated to neuronal activity. The amplitude-modulated envelope is. All of this has been known to science for how long? A century might be in the right ballpark...
The idea of brains is just a thought we experience. You can't get behind experience. Saying that there is a real world out there that we don't experience is a con trick we play on ourselves. "There is reality but you can never know it" is the very line he was criticising at the beginning of this segment. It's clearly attractive for a programmer to see everything in terms of hardware and software but the evidence for that isn't to be found. The only facts are that there is experience and that includes awareness of experience. We don't know what has it or how it happens.
What about our vision being upside down 🤯
@@corinneharrison1091 I'd ask how you know that. You might reply that you've seen a video or read it, say. However, how you found this out it was an experience of some sort and we don't know whether there's anything behind that. It might all be a dream with its internally consistent logic. After all, 'real life' is indistinguishable from a dream while you're experiencing it.
I think if you look thru a glass sphere the image is upside down
A two year old comment so you might have changed your views... The response here is to baysien in your priors especially if there is no obvious way to reject those. So there is always some possibility that we are a brain in a vat or a world model future ai is building to understand itself.
There is an outside world that is a causually closed structure seems to be a good theory. It is in some sense the next null hypothesis that everything is mechanical. We also "experience" dream while sleeping like normal world but some limitations (can't turn of the lights or read some long texts ) that can be attributed to limited working memory while sleeping. So a good test is to turn on/off the lights and observe if it's a dream or not. This along with other "experiential" evidence makes physicalism a strong prior.
@@corinneharrison1091 A simple convex lens always inverts the image.
I think this guy is so absorbed in theory and math/physics he has left reality completely behind. I praise Lex for being patient, I would have cut the interview short and wished him well. .
I'm in agreement with you. There are so many things unaccounted for. Especially the realities of spiritual life and experience.
I saw nearly all of this on DMT. Am grateful to Joscha for being able to verbalize it so concisely, I can only dream of having the linguistic capacity to even begin to convey the entirety of the message.
What a privilege to share in this conversation. Thank you both.
We are drops of water in an ocean. Drops that have a self and can influence other drops around it. Some drops have a larger ripple of influence than others. When the self dies the drop still exists and the ripples still influence other drops.
I have been waiting for this conversation for so long...what a great discussion and important information
I was just having this conversation last week.
🤣🙄😜😂
Hahaha shut up. This should have 1k likes
Lmao I’ll bet
That guy is the psychedelic king he's broke all records 🏆👑
6:23 Lex would love to pause this conversation and think about it for a day or two...
Me too. I’ve wrestled with it all day. It’ll go on.
@@adamgm84 any romanticism too? A lingering one 🤔
He was already confused by what the guy said at 3:50. Fantastic interview though
solipsism
@@corinneharrison1091 I've been wrestling with these things for 25 years!
These kinds of talks mostly make my brain hurt. I’ve concluded it’s likely everything we know is wrong. That we don’t even have the framework to ask the right questions. I’m more interested in all the things that happen when I’m sleeping or in an alternate dream state and how it relates to the hours spent awake. Some of those experiences are truly in Twilight Zone territory.
KT, I just made my own brain hurt writing this, lol
The question I have as someone that rarely remembers dreaming (maybe a couple times a year and mostly apocalyptic in nature or else randomized but clearly formed around recent happenings in waking state. What's a logical need for a mechanism within the mind / identity held by an individual to believe they are only a simulated shell that is given a parameter of limitation for their potential intelligence with gradual increases allotted in varied cycles of physical stages governed by time and known physics to question its purpose or function if it were engineered by a creator that would already know the answer. Perhaps looking for the proof of the ability for an anomoly within a system to generate an outcome of unlimited awareness and take control of the reality outside of its function or generate a new reality or perhaps trying to learn how to write the programming for self awareness onto the physical brain of a species that lacks the ability in its current evolutionary state? Perhaps in a simplified way to query the aforementioned. What is the purpose of the human collective were it the design of a superior intellect? Taking into account the things that push us forward in our understanding of our place in the universe and beyond. We seem to thirst for the answers to questions that create more questions to be answered to quench a thirst for discovery and new knowledge. And that seems to be exactly how AI would self learn and behave. This makes me think that humanity is not artificial because we wouldnt be flawed if we were created by machines. We would know our creator and our history. That would be our shared matrix and everything else would be the search for new knowledge. Why are flaws and death necessary elements of a designed machine? What does that in and of itself produce? Are those limitations what generates urgency? And everything we believe our reality to be is the function to produce a single simple response in a higher organism?
Anyway....stream of consciousness alert...i needed to write this as I was thinking it. Sorry if it seems incomplete or redundant.
And to finish the thought in regards to dreaming. If its necessary for a healthy mind and what not....then why dont I remember? Am I being abducted? Is my brain high functioning enough that instead of requiring sleep to catch up on processing Im able to do it in real / the time Im awake.
Sorry, this guy doesn’t get to tell me I don’t have an identity . He is guessing about the universe just like anyone else- his chances of being correct are the same as anyone else.
Seriously, you are smarter that he is and absolutely correct with both of your statements...!!
That title resonates deeply. Only because, the more awareness, consciousness you acquire, overtime. Things begin to feel like you have lived this life already, and you're remembering everything, as time rapidly moves forward.
It's like the brain already had the story mapped out, before your Spirit possessed the vessel you're inside of, right now. Awareness, or waking up is your Spirit remembering the little or even big details of your life that's showing you that you've lived this life before.
Now that you're awake or awakening, you have the choice to alter your reality into a route that is much more advocating for your growth. A route that was better than your previous life time.
Sounds like your simulation is getting ahead of the world state far enough that you can make changes. I would not call that having lived before; the time difference might only be a split second, giving you that dejavu feeling; it might even be an illusion: an asynchronosity of the integration of your model… - if it gives you the power to change things (or the feeling thereof) - good for you!
Makes me wonder if for some reason you somehow screw up will you be reborn to try again? Do you have another attempt at a life? Or is the whole heaven and hell concept for real?
@@alexanderswander8176 Maybe, my friend. Maybe 🕊
@@Stadtpark90 Hmmm.
3 states of consciousness..
Self Awaken
Enlightenment
Super consciousness
You need to understand who you are to achieve Enlightenment, and once you have accomplished that, then you can tap directly into the Source...
Thoughts ... words... will manifest into the physical matrix.
You all have been programmed. Once you break the programming, you will find your true self.
Know Thyself.
The way his eyes bug,
makes this extra unnerving 😳.
Thought it was a glitch in my simulation
His eyes bug whenever his simulated mind goes into hyperdrive
It’s his adderal simulating his thoughts!
we exist in a story told by the brain = "the brain cooks up the best model, that the organism thinks in relation to its environment". The speaker seems to have conveniently separated the organism's thinking from the brain's activity for the sake of the sentence, directly implying that the real you (the observer "I", the word "organism" used in this place) is actually separate from the mind and body. Maybe it is more appropriate to say, simultaneously one with and separate, because we can't deny the moments of feeling one with this body (and especially mind with all its plans and desires and relations) either, but also have moments where we feel separated from our own experiences, thinking "what if "I" was born in so and so situation", and other examples.
Halfway through this clip I realized that I understand everything and nothing, and now I need a drink.
When he said the 30 layers thing, I think started to understand him. Like we can only observe from our perspective, and what is being observed has no obligation to our perspective. Which maybe means if something seems random or incomprehensible it's just our perspective cannot encompass the whole situation? I don't know.
And yea. My comment is the idiot TH-cam peanut gallery comprehension of something I have no knowledge of. But, it's very interesting to me
It’s obviously an involuntary physical response but the moments when Joscha’s eyes are fully opened (e,g, 4:22) are just a bit eerie. It’s as though he’s in a heightened state or he’s trying to project his reality onto you through hypnosis or some form of suggestion.
He's probably conveying how stunning.. and shocking these realizations are, because they are destabilizing when understood.
Probably just a tic
Uff, even that title gives me existential crisis.
It’s odd how all this made perfect sense, yet I could never have pulled that out of my own mind. 🤔
@Eddie Murray ya exactly
Conscience on another dimension. Outstanding Joschua. You have changed my life today.
This shit already blew my mind I’m gonna have to come back to this
Thank you for this conversation. Every one who can follow this guy by first time watching this video can consider himself being one of the 0.0001% of most intelligent Apes on this planet!
Mirrors are cold. Why are you hot?
He is enlightened! This is profund and the summarization of my philosophy. He takes many ideas I've had and heard, then incorporates them into a very real and comprehensive package.
This is probably the most amazing video I've ever watched. So many revelations!
when you watch really closely you can see Laplace's demon pulling his upper eyelid
Because he is drunk
I think either a symptom of tourettes or he's the dumb kid who ate a whole sheet of acid.
@@manfredadams3252 hes young. Doesnt have as much experience in the grand conversations. Thats all. His world view is still forming.
@@SeverSFSs Well, it's in part because of his no-ego approach, he asks many questions to which he often has the answers or at least some knowledge, in a very simple way, so people like me, not so smart or knowledgable can get some simple explanations from his guests and we can relate and catch up sometimes. without that approach sometimes I personally would get lost quite a lot tbh.
@@manfredadams3252 It's only because of all the acid I once did that I can even get a glimpse of what he's talking about. lol Not a whole sheet at once, but bi daily for the summer of 71.
it's unbelievable that Joscha Bach uses the analogy with the mandelbrot set (as an infinitely complex structure built from a simple set of rules) in this way, that is, for how we get ever closer to understanding the infinitely complex nature of reality without ever getting there (as we don't know the generating/underlying rules). Maybe it is a stock example which I have never heard of, but I often use this analogy in nearly the same way, simply because I felt it was suited to illustrate such abstract matters - by virtue of being something more phenomenological.
Using AI as a way to describe our consciousness reminds me of previous ages, where scholars used the analogy of clockwork and gears to describe the motion of the stars in the sky.
Can someone reach out to the programmer of the simulation, and program me with a supermodel, a billion dollars, and a 200ft yacht please?
😂😂😂😂
You can do that yourself
keep prayin m8
@@Michele_Back you look sus to me are you god ?
you see him every morning in the mirror and are constantly talking to him
Really fascinating stuff.
I initially thought that Bach was going to talk about how we can never know the things itself ("das ding an sich" [the thing itself], as said by Immanuel Kant): when we observe reality, we are actually observing whatever our brain sees. So, by "we exist inside the story that the brain tells itself", I thought that he was going to say that we literally can't know anything (basically, metaphysical skepticism). But even "a level up", [it's all fucky]: assuming reality is real, we still are just models of the world; Bach's example of how we don't actually experience [electromagnetic and pressure waves], but a mental representation of it (as color and brightness, and pitch and volume).
The discussion at the end about "identity" was also really interesting. Materialists will say that the mind comes from the body (from the brain) - and that *is* true - but there are different parts of your identity that "live" or "die". Actually, that ties into Bach's statements about how we are really just stories (that part confused and still confuses me): there is a notion of ourselves that we control, but the ideas inside our head and the "multimedia" experience aren't that. In terms of identity, there are parts of identity that correspond to this "conscious" part of us, but also parts of identity that doesn't necessarily leave us when we die (e.g., when the Dalai Lama identifies as government).
(On a meta level: Initially listening to this, I had this gut reaction of, "this is some weird spiritualist stuff", because I didn't actually know who Bach was. I've been reading "Godel, Escher, Bach", and the author (Hofstadter) talks about Zen koans and stuff. I think I am a smart person, but I think I need to be more open to things that initially seemed far-fetched, an idea which I hope other people can benefit from.)
there might not be a noumenon.
Could our realities be a creation by someone else who is doing our programming. I think we are like antennas receiving the signals which explains our inner dialogue. Are our thoughts really our own? I do not believe in manifestation, as it does not work unless the source is the programmer. Kind of like "thy will be done". Also I wonder if the motivation to achieve something comes from the programmers will; or do we actually have a free will. Who is writing our life story? Choice or predestination? Every choice changes reality but the question is who is really making the choice.
Yay, I haven’t been totally nuts my whole life!
That is exactly how I feel too 😂😂
Lex, never think you're "silly" for asking questions,you're asking for many of us.
A mild panic attack when I first took in the fact nothing is real and that life outside earth doesn’t exist and we’re all alonebut it was quickly snapped back in when I realised wait there are other ppl so there COULD be more life, the thought of reaching a point where you don’t have any attachment to physical life seems truly bliss but all the while I’m so strapped into this world by my simulated consciousness. Duck me this video ha forever changed me.
i cracked up at 16:10 when lex said “hold on, but do i exist??” lol
such a great dialogue between both of you. love the depth of his answers and lex’s question to dig deeper on each point. such an honest and down to earth convo on this subject🙏
Anyone else have no idea what is going on, but you keep watching until the end hoping you know what’s going on by the end of video?
Świetny przykład tego jak ideologie / religia są sprzedawane w postaci nauki. Bo co koleś mówi "Twoja persona to tylko iluzja stworzona przez umysł w relacji do tego z czym ma interakcje", "Twój mózg jedynie wygenerował Ciebie, Ciebie nie ma". To jest to samo co mówił Alan Watts.
Listened to this 3 times, maybe I understood 10% of it, next time I am planning at 0.5 speed to try and understand.
Dang, I misconstrued dualism with taoist duality, it's great that you clarified the definitions!
So did I ... :) Good talk.
Either this whole topic is finally starting to click into place in my mind after years of knowing of it, or he is just putting it in such a succinct way, better than all before him.
As a thinking man 🤔. And I believe in Christ Nothing makes more sense now then ever. reading the Bible and Understanding a wide variety of toptics has strengthen my fate
SINCE WE ARE GOING DEEP HERE, TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE................THE HUMAN BRAIN IS THE ONLY THING IN THE UNIVERSE THAT NAMED ITSELF.
Consciousness may merely have arose from the question of "Why?" Those who do not ask, do not possess it. It is simultaneously the act of looking at reality from the outside of it, and jail-breaking autonomy while still within it.
Great theory and comment.
I have had a similar thought once. For me it came as: "If you could ever teach an elephant the meaning of the word "Why", it will become like us"
Well said!
not necessarily a "why" but a "no" as Joscha has stated - a disagreement between what there is and what one thinks there should be.
How the hell does anything make sense to have feeling if it's only simulated? How does that make any sense at all? Feeling is one of the most primary and apparent things in reality
“Identity is a representation that you get agency reward from if you care“
Something about him reminds me of Dr. Strangelove
Well this might be because he's German ... greetings from Berlin. P.S. we got loads of such guys.
Got a good giggle out of that.
@@karlgaiser9783 That's part of it but also when his eyes widen and he smiles to make a point.
@Fato DelaVeritas Exactly - his eyes widen and he smiles to make a point.
I get a Dr. Pepper vibe from this guy
I exist inside and outside in the environments. I have my own perception inside my brain, and I am conscious of my existence, my choices, and my consequences. "I am." But I also realize I live in an environment with family, trees, Sun, water, earth, on the outside of me. And I love every bit of it. I am functional. I am whole being. But we talk about the brain as if we are a brain in a jar because everyone's perception is different. Be yourself. That is all you have to be....Enjoy your life Great interview....Lex...Carolyn
“we both know that the world that you and me are seeing is not the real physical world. What we're seeing is a virtual reality generated in your brain to explain the patterns on your retina.”
That reminds me of this Bible verse:
“what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” - 2 Corinthians 4-18
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Listen to him at .75 speed. You're welcome.
Rare occurrence where this recommendation applies, but you are spot on! I wish Joscha could detect the baud rate of the listener.
Thank you
Thanks!
Thanks, good idea, it's easier that way. But I still have to keep pausing. Wow!
yes, but .5 is atrocious! :-D
Thanks Lex and Joscha! Very interesting conversation
I often wonder if we are slugs somewhere on a tree branch, just dreaming this whole stuff up, with with other slugs, lol
Oh goodness
You watch too much naruto lol
Who's dreaming those slugs up though. Does it ever end? ;)
I think that there's only 1 god, it consists of infinite dimensions and universes, has no beginning or end
damn lol
It is amazing how quickly Joscha Bach can articulate his thoughts - which are clear and very understandable.
On another level, what we experience, our selves, our external world, our narrative is determined by evolution. We see what evolution has proven to be the world in which our species can survive. Of course, that eventually breaks down for every species. From a compatible Buddhist perspective, there are non-obstructing realms within realms ad infinitum. Dharmas have no own-being. No dharma ("thing") is self identical for even an unimaginably short length of time.
Thank you Lex for taking on this challenge. You met it beautifully. my head is spinning lol. Love your show. You are brilliant honest and adorable.
Joscha has amazing clarity. He can observe as if standing outside the universe looking in. My question: Who is Joscha, the observer, compared to Joscha, a being within the universe he is observing? I feel like Joscha is emulating the observational perspective of God with a big G. Amazing podcast.
absolutely not a big G, that's borderline blasphemy.
First time ever I have seen Lex's brain cooking like crazy in a conversation 🤣 Amazing podcast Lex even if it just exists in my mind 😉🤣🙏🏼
lol Sir!
When I ran the ferris 🎡 at the carnival, kids would be getting off the ride complaining "you had us stuck at the top!" I'd respond with, "You see all these people? These are real people! They don't just live inside your head!" Parents seemed to get a kick outta that.
Hearing conversations like these just reminds me how absurd everything is.
Yep if you can’t blind them with brilliance,baffle them with bullshit
Conversations like this are absurd, the product of an idle mind.