The early Rolling Stones were really the Blue Boys. the blues band that Mick and Keith formed and founded with Dick Taylor on bass guitar and Tony Chapman on drums in 1961. That is the band that debuted as the Rolling Stones July 12th 1962 at the Marquee club, with Brian Jones and Ian Stewart recently added. The only music group that Brian founded was the 27 club. The Rolling Stones were founded by Mick and Keith. That is the truth.
The Brian Jones era was actually the Andrew Loog Oldham era, when the producer forced the Stones to sound less bluesy and more pop to emulate the Beatles success
Oldham did more to make the band a pop success than Jones could ever do. He saw the potential that Mick and Keith showed early on and he developed their creative musical strengths. He took his job as band manager very seriously and he was very good at it.
@@williardbillmore5713Jones literally came up with Ruby Tuesday on piano. Those are his chord patterns, chord changes and he added a great recorder part on top of it. He also helped arrange a ton of the Satanic Majesty stuff with Keith. There was also the soundtrack for Anita’s film “A Degree of Murder”. By the way Brian did this without Andrew Loog Oldham being anywhere in sight. So yes, Brian could arrange a song. He was just too shy to try and write vocal melodies and lyrics. If he hadn’t passed away maybe he would found the confidence to do it.
@@clinteastwood6875 Completely invented lies. Jones had NOTHING to do with the writing of Ruby Tuesday. His piano playing was atrocious and he had no creativity whatsoever. This was Keith's song from inception to final mixdown and Keith wrote every note of it, including the recorder accompaniment, the bass and the piano part that Jack Nitzsche played ... All Jones could "arrange" was his fluffy blonde hair.
This is a great video about Brian Jones. I read Kieth Richards book and definitely thought after Brian created the group they were trying to push him out. And Mick Jagger and Keith Richards writing all the songs Brian Jones must have been devasted. I read nothing but contempt for him in that book and Kieth said that all Brian wanted was fame and to mix with the famous, not acknowledging anything about his talent. And when he drowned it seemed Kieth couldn't care a less. However i do love The Rolling Stones music. Great doc. Keep up with them i love this era.
Seems like Mick and Keith were two egotists, too ambitious and self centered to give Brian his breathing space. Maybe he was not perfect, but it wasn't the drugs that lead to his downfall it was his gradual demise that lead to the drug abuse it seems. The two logged the fame, attention and ultimately money, but the loss was theirs too.
The guy played every instrument he ever touched as if he'd been playing only that instrument for decades. Virtuousity is a short, rare spectrum, Jones may be on the left of it, but the right is only a notch or two away. Mick and Keith will not be found there. @@williardbillmore5713
This is a great mini doc. I saw a lot of rare gems such as Bill Wyman's interview and Jim Morrison's poem for Brian. I really enjoyed this. It was different from all of the other Brian Jones documentaries that I have seen here on TH-cam. Thank you for sharing 😁💖🎶
*“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* ----Brian Jones 1963 Brian did NOT start the Stones. He asked Keith if he and Ian could join Keith's band and Keith agreed.
@Dalesco347 I know it's pretty funny given the unlikely fantasy BS that Bill has been telling anyone who will listen to him for the last five decades. He is the only source of all that crap and he wasn't even in the band at the time..
@@barbarabarber3167 Brian Jones had seven children by six young women and he was NEVER married to anyone either before or after he joined the band. This is one more lie about Jones I haven't heard of till today.
This is a very good analysis of the Brian Jones era--the era of my teenage years. Of course, along with my love of the Stones, I was a massive fan of The Beatles, who get most of the press for experimentation and 'changing music'. But Brian Jones was a master of experimentation and introducing different instruments into the world of popular music. It must have been soul destroying realising that he was not a creative songwriter. So not only did he lose control of being the founder member and leader of the band, but he also lost control of the direction that the Jagger/Richards songs steered the band.
@Theaterpup He did. If Brian had lived I think he would have gone in interesting directions. Although blues was his primary love, because of his mother, he had a firm grounding in classical music. He may have veered toward folk / folk rock. The Brian Jones instrumentals on early songs like Lady Jane, Ruby Tuesday etc give some idea of a Brian Jones sound that Jagger and Richards couldn't do.
@@neonfroot The Beatles used to say that their sound was 'just rock 'n' roll'. What they did, though, was promote a band format. Even George Martin wondered who was going to be the lead singer because the whole American-led industry was about vocal groups and solo singers, not really bands who played their own instruments. So The Beatles took a combination of American soul and Motown music, and combined it with the rock 'n' roll rhythms of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly etc. And they did it better than anyone had ever done it before. They also showed the industry that bands could diversify, such as on Revolver and Sgt Peppers.
No Brian Jones = Better Rolling Stones. The band were at their best and most creative and popular in the days, weeks, months and years just after Brian Jones departed .
It wasn’t personal Brian got the Axe, It was business. Brian kept getting arrested with drug charges and lost his ability to travel abroad as he lost his Visa. Keith and Mick said Brian seemed disenchanted about the direction the band we’re heading. Brian would show up at the recording studio and would be High off his face. He became unreliable as he wasn’t up to par as far as contributing anything meaningful to the new songs written. Another issue that never set well with Charlie, Bill, Mick and Keith is Brian physically beat his ladies. Keith and Mick were getting ready to travel to the U.S. to support a new album. They understood Brian could not travel and it was a career fact they needed to leave the UK. Simple business decision, your fired pal.
@Arya-1111 ..it was all their band. He only had Ian answer his ad. He wasnt in a band. Mick and Keith were at the time. And they met in a club. And found they liked the same kind of music. And shared a flat together. Then started the group together. Brian did however,come up with their name.
@@Contact_Info No he did not nor was he a big druggie but he got set up and scape goated a few times ..jealousy in his own circle its appalling what they did to him
@@fuchsiaswing8545 AS WE ALL SUFFER FROM SOMETHING BUT DONT YOU THINK ANITA SHOWING UP WITH kEITH AT THEIR GIGS WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS DOWN STATE AND BEING MOCKED AT THE SAME TIME BY KEITH AND MICK ?...HE IS HUMAN AFTER ALL
06:52 This is a key element because although Brian was the natural leader of the band, its original member and by far its most talented musician, as stated in the video, Oldham assigned Jagger and Richards to the task of writing songs. What the hell?? It's a completely counter-intuitive decision! Brian wasn't initially against the Stones writing their own songs either, as it is sometimes insinuated. He actually suggested that the band could write and compose their material together, using a collective pen name. But the idea was turned down... Then Bill Wyman explained years later that the first Jagger-Richard pieces were mediocre and wouldn't have made it without Brian's touch. Even George Harrison who was a good friend of his said that one day, while Brian was messing around with his sitar, George basically saw him put together the first notes of Paint It Black, of course before it was ever composed. Yet he never was credited for it and neither for any creation that had to do with the Rolling Stones. As for his mishaps, of course dealing with international fame while suffering from the rejection of your fellow band mates at the same time must be pretty difficult. But there also discrepancies can be found in the description of his personality, such as when French model Zouzou who was his girlfriend for a while, talks about him. Some describe quite a different character than the narcissistic hedonist usually portrayed. He might rather have been a victim of group-bullying, who awkwardly tried to counter the manipulations he suffered. There was definitely a decades old smear campaign against him which makes me think he might not have been the raving maniac they've depicted time and again. Anyway, it was a nice video that provides a different view of him. I would definitely encourage the author to expand on the subject and even dig deeper. For instance, the first question remains: why was he not asked to compose from the start?
@@williardbillmore5713I am not sure why the Brian Jones warriors over-romanticize him. It gets annoying as “no Jones, no Stones” has become their silly mantra. Other than decorating Mick and Keith’s songs with a dulcimer, Mellotron, or some other off-center instrument, he wasn't that significant when the band started reaching its apex. In fact, he had become so insufficient on guitar and unreliable that Keith was doing double duty on Beggars and Let It Bleed. I like the guy, but these obsessive fanboys are delusional.
@@fuchsiaswing8545 I like to counter with "No Jones = Better Stones", noting that they became more popular and mores successful in the weeks and months just after he departed the band. The myth that Brian formed and founded the Stones is equally obnoxious and untrue.
They slowly pushed him to one side , they snatched his girlfriend from under his nose and then , to top it off , they fired him. With friends like that , who needs enemies.
Jones marginalized himself and Anita was a smart strong willed woman. No one can "snatch" from anyone what they don't own and no one ever "owned " Anita. She left Brian because he was abusive.
Jones was the heart and soul of the Rolling stones and Mick and Keith were genuinely intimidated by Brian's intelligence and incredible raw talent. Pallenberg was an untalented groupie who slept with all of the members except Charlie. Some men will always confuse ruthless controlling bitches with strength and confuse sensitivity in men with weakness.@@williardbillmore5713
Anita was not a piece of property to be stolen. She left Jones because he was abusive physically and emotionally, and he was about as faithful as an ally cat. Brian had to be fired . He could no longer do the minimums of his job.He was bringing them down and holding them back. Jones was trying to dissolve the band and he was sure they couldn't survive without him... Boy was he wrong. The days weeks, months and years immediately following his departure were the best the Stones would ever be. Brian's worst enemy in the world was Brian Jones. He killed himself with booze and drugs.
@@williardbillmore5713 No she wasn't his she was everyone's. Female narcs will use anyone and everyone as stepping stones if they lack talent themselves.What is the REAL tragedy is that Brian's father was right about him, he wasn't cut out to be a star on the world stage others just ate him up.
Brian Jones was the heart and soul of the rolling stones his death was so sad and so tragic his bandmates should have got him help for his addiction the band he created and music was brilliant but it was taken away from him rest in peace Brian Jones
The Brian Jones era of the rolling stones is the best the music was brilliant and fantastic especially songs like the last time,tell me,off the hook, heart of stone,lady Jane and my favourite rolling stone song paint it black
Brian was no wilting flower. He always had the nastiest things to say about anyone or anything and he had no filter for holding anything back over a concern about their feelings. Any shit Keith and Mick gave him was merely an attempt at payback from Brian's often cruel and insensitive negative comments. Anyone who knew Brian well always said he was an asshole... and he was. The way he abandoned his own children and refusal to give them any support, while he lived the opulent life of a millionaire rockstar should be all anyone needs to know about what a truly awful scumbag of a person he was.
"Hyde Park was the funeral. And the bit about burying and shovels and all that, it's not that important to me. That was his funeral." Thanks for including this. People are always asking why Keith wasn't at the funeral, I figured that was why.
Keith never attended ANY funeral burials...Not even his own mom and dad's. You are absolutely correct.The band and their fans held Brian's funeral at Hyde Park
Why was Brian, Fired from the band? Simple, Keith, said 'If the Stones, are going out on tour telling Mick& band We got to do something about Brian', Keith said 'Mick& Me had to go down to Brian's house & tell him hey cuck your Fired!! Keith, went on to say, Brian, was gone, he was out in the stratosphere'. He said 'I don't think Brian, even took it all in... He was already wasted, off in the stratosphere!!!!!
@@Nicholas-dreamlove I made y living as a Rock musician for 29 years and I have been a fan and follower of the Rolling Stones for over 50. I have forgotten more facts about the Stones and their music than you will EVER know in your entire lifetime.
Says a lot about the character of Mick and Keith. They did not give Brian Jones songwriting credit on Lady Jane. We came up with the Melody. This continue with Mick Taylor, who wrote most of the songs for three albums, and was credited with none of them. They are still getting royalties off his work. No wonder he left. It would’ve helped if he sang. It would’ve helped if he wrote. But the Rolling Stones drove Brian to despair. They were all about money.
Bullshit... Any member who wrote lyrics or melody for one of their songs got full credit and copyrights. Jones never had an original musical idea in his entire career.
There really wasn't any mystery around Brian's death at all. A very drunk and drugged out rich guy passed out in his heated pool and died. The mystery has all been invented an fantasized.
You never know what exactly goes on with these people. I suppose when the devil is in the details that's how it goes. The wages of sin is death. May these people repent (turn from their wickedness). You shall know them by their fruits. They influence the masses with a rotten bill of goods. As Bob Dylan said, you got to serve somebody it might be the Lord or it might be the devil but you got to serve somebody. Choose which kingdom you will serve. And beware of Papal Romanism and Apostate American Protestantism rising up and reunification of church craft and state craft. Know the truth.
And dont think it was good off Keith❤and Mick to make love to Anita😢and not good off het either to go in the back off Brian❤❤😢and be unfaitful when Brian😢whas in Hospital😢❤and be sik..Buth all they use drogs 😢and so much sex and all kind off women all the time..And Mick be unfaitful behind the back off Keith with Anita in that mowie and have sex😢my god and they part on the same women❤😢my god I say is that friendly to do that in the same band...😢😮it is so much we dont now about this guys in the band so much secrets😮about sex and women and men😮and Rocken roll.❤❤❤
It seems that they all took the same amount of drugs, but reacted differently to them. Also, some took them recreationally with no problems, only Brian's mental health got very affected. He knew what was going on, that the people he put in place tried to get rid of him.
Mick and Keith rarely speak about Brian. When they do they mostly down play his talent and importance in the band. They usually just talk about his last days and his drug abuse. It's a shame.
The film neglects to mention the crucial fact that the same first huge hit written by Jagger-Richards, "The Last Time," which launched them on their career path, features as perhaps its most memorable highlight the hypnotic, repetitive guitar riff, which was actually Brian's creation! (Just one of many songs to which Brian made standout compositional contributions of course, a list too long to cite here.)
Anita or the Stones were never his to lose. Brian had been killing himself for a long time. Anyone who knew him well realized that he was killing himself and he knew it.
Brian was not " erased " from the Rolling Stones . His musicianship had slipped in 1968 and it was hard to include him on records . His best playing on Beggars Banquet was the lovely bottle neck guitar on No Expectations .They could not tour the US in 1969 with Brian as he would not have been able to cut it on stage , or maybe even get on stage . Many people remember him as a friend . Bill and Charlie are two who have expessed this . Bill wrote in his memoir Stone Alone that Brian was the first English electric guitarist to play bottle neck electric guitar on a record . Little Red Rooster . He could have gone on to great things , but alas he died to young .
Brian was the brains behind the Stones and they didn't like that. He wanted to move on to more cerebral music and staying with the Stones wasn't challenging enough. I believe Mick was very jealous of that genius.
Brian was the brains behind the Stones and they didn't like that. He wanted to move on to more cerebral music because the Stones weren't challenging enough. Mick was jealous of that genius.
Was Brian's talented contributions to the Stones fully acknowledged and honoured by the rest of the band ? They get the big bucks and he's 'just a memory'.. Brian R.I.P
Death by misadventure?!!! The real term is ''taken out''. When there is big money to be made by wealthy and/or powerful people, and you are a liability to them, then off to that great recording studio in the sky you go.
@@williardbillmore5713 Throughout these decades, there has been no evidence of a Brian Jones suicide. The medical examiner would have easily spotted that.
I believe he was horrendously violent to women. Didn't Nico date him and say that he was a fine guy until he got you in a room alone and then locked the door? I think the Stones themselves had him beaten up because of things he had done to women he was with.
Jones not only physically abused the young women he used, but when they became pregnant by him he abandoned his six children and their mothers and refused to support any of them, even after he became a multi millionaire. There was NOTHING nice about Brian Jones.
Steal his band, steal his girl, tell him he has no talent. I have never liked the Rolling Stones after Bryan. What an amazing guy Bryan most of been. They all went to kick him out of the band, but didn't go to his funeral. That speaks alot.
He played on stage with them till his death in 1985. he never played on a sub-stage. he always played on stage with them. he always played on what he wanted to play on and the stones considered him to be a full member of the band. that's why his signature is included with mick's and the rest of the stones in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.@@mygreatbigfoot1679
@@freewheelingideas ‘Stu’ became their Roadie and played piano on many of the early records. He plays piano or organ on every album apart from Satanic Majesties and Beggars Banquet until his death in 1985. He also played live on stage from 1969 onwards.
To be honest , someone said that Mick and keith. Were unthankful to Brian if it wasn't for him.The rolling stones would not have been a band. He started the rolling stones. He founded that band and. I heard that someone introduced him to drugs and wish he hadn't because it really screwed up his brain.
Jones did NOT start the Rolling Stones. Keith and Mick did. Brian became wealthy and famous on the talents of Mick and Keith. The only group of musicians Jones founded was the 27 club.
@@williardbillmore5713 Do you do your research? This showed up when I read it Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones (28 February 1942 - 3 July 1969) was an English musician and founder of the Rolling Stones He was the leader until he did drugs.
Brian had a wife and kid when the band started…..management did not want that image , Mick slept with Brian’s girl, Brian got paid more because he had a kid-which Mick and Keith misunderstood. Mick and Keith had so much energy and drive and would not slow down, even for deaths of close friends…Brian couldn’t keep up, and Keith stole his girlfriend, then Mick stabbed Keith in the back by shagging Anita, who denied it for years, then admitted it was :performance art” to have sex with Jagger when making a movie Keith begged her not to make and offered to pay her not to make. Brian Jones let Keith cry on his shoulder after Ruby Tuesday dumped Keith, Keith actually moved in to live with Brian and Anita…..when Keith fell in love with his best friend’s girl on the rebound, after Brian and Keith wrote Ruby Tuesday to help Keith get over her. Mick and Keith get too much credit for what was a whole band effort. Jones, Wyman and even Watts all contributed to song writing. Keith said Brian’s songs all sounded like hymns that should be performed by a Welch choir………so I think it was a joke when they wrote that dumb intro to “You Can’t always get what you want”…..with the choir beginning……the horn is beautiful, though….and sounds like something Brian would come up with, and the song was done and being performed before Brian died.They called Brian paranoid, but admitted they were out to get him.
Hi, picking up on the last bit of your comment. I felt that the choir ruined what was potentially a very good song. It was too much overkill. All it needed was the acoustic guitar, horn and the piano. I am sure I heard a better recording of the song like that as the B side to Honky Tonk women.
Where do you get the idea that Anita was "owned" by Brian. She left him because he was an abusive asshole. Jones had absolutely nothing to do with writing any Rolling Stones songs
It's not true. Most likely Tom Keylock was involved. Tom's brother worked for the police department. It was Tom who said Frank confessed the killing to him. Franks children said its a lie !
The crowd and Hells Angels were out of hand all day. The Grateful Dead were too scared to even play. You could see the tension already when Jefferson Airplane was playing. This was hours before the Stones were there.
Brian Jones died because he knew, at 27, that the best was already behind him. Like Jim Morrison, he was going to get his kicks, " before the whole shit-house goes up in flames." Not everybody's interested in winning a life-time achievement award.
The were showbiz not the revolution. Never bigger than lower middle class wannabees hanging around rich people. Hells, Angels save your life - not so much as a thank you. Lemmy said : mummy's boys crap on stage.They stole the copyright and his girlfriend then the band. Nothing about J&R original. Taylor Jones made them feel inferior because they were artistically - so did Pallenburg Faithful who raised there game with a higher level of culture . So overated. There isn't a great Stoner album after Jones. Yah yahs is and was always the go to fill in. But nobody escapes Karma. ( the hideous Jones hex of Sticky Fingers) awful roadie's album. Ect never released their greatest album / track out takes of Exile and of course Altamont! They coulda been but passed at their shot at the greatest album of the 70s. Like the film Performance ( he's actually called Taylor 😂 in the film) a has been washed up hiding in his Powis Square town house. Ultimate poseur who sang about the Devil but couldn't handle it - when he actually rocks up. It's only Rock n Roll. Best epitaph : I Don't Know Why / AKA Hillside Blues. Before their turn to stadium rock bores.As Macca said : blues covers band.
He couldn't tour, play any more or EVEN STAND UP! 3 good reasons right there! plus they could write great songs and he couldn't write one. How much was 20 Quid in 1963? So they really played for 10 Quid? 7:14 Staple Singers not Sisters
he did write songs he majored in English he often wrote little love notes as well...he was way more educated so I wouldnt be listening to the lying Keith and .Mick as they are thiefs ...THey didnt write all those songs you credited to ...Brian did way more than they say,,,Ask Mick Taylor
Mick jagger and Keith Richards have never shown any sympathy for his demise..they are disgracefull¡ it's thanks to Bryan that they are so successfully! What a sad affair!
Thats what I'll never understand. Fact they never went to his funeral but tried to capitalize on him at the Hyde Park concert made me sick. It revealed exactly who they were . Brian was no angel but he didn't deserve to be ghosted by Mick and Keith while he was still in the band and into death. Mick and Keith have moved through life doing the same thing. They never apologized to anyone they sucked a soul from.
Brian Jones did NOT found the Rolling Stones. He JOINED Keith's band The Blue Boys that band became the Rolling Stones. Here in his own words is proof. Interviewer: ---What were you doing before you joined? ( the band) Brian--- "Well just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen , really I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith and then ...well THAT was a successful band." After admitting that his attempts to start his own band were "unsuccessful"Brian seems to indicate here that he felt that Mick and Keith had a successful band when he "met up" with them. That would explain why he wanted to join them. The line up on stage at the Marquee Club where they debuted, indicates that he did join them because he and Ian were there and Keith and Mick's band, he "met up with, remained complete and intact.
Brian Jones was an intoxicated egomaniac who threw it all away. Yes that is exactly what Brian Jones was. His fate was a direct result of what he chose to do to himself.
Jones might have been a narcissist but he probably would have outgrown it he was only 27 in the brain is stil developing. And the others were very jealous of him he was better looking than them and he had style after he was dead they assumed his stylistic ways or tried to
The Stones came from wealth The Beatles were the real tough guys growing up in liver pool That was a bad ass place in the 1950 s I think the images should be reversed
Muddy Waters first played slide guitar in the UK in 1958 when he toured England with Chris Barber's band, marking a significant moment in the resurgence of blues interest in the country; his first show was at the Odeon Theatre in Leeds. Brian Jones was 15 at that time and he did not get his first guitar until his 17th birthday. The story that Brian was the first to play slide guitar in the UK is pure bullshite.
Lo quisieron dejar en el olvido, pero les salió mal pues los propios fans de los Stones lo mantenemos vigente, fue la mejor etapa y Mick y Bryan tenian el carisma. KRichards es ... muy ruin y soberbio en sus declaraciones.. hasta hoy dia se tiene que aguantar la presencia" de Jones en la banda, el reconocimiento de los fans al talento. Hablamos de musica, la relacion personal es cosa de ellos, aunque es obvio que Richards le tenia envidia... el look, la novia, la fama! Bill Wyman ha hablado mucho sobre la fama de Brian y el público. Los gemelos" son los autores, su talento es innegable, pero con éste tema de BJones es muy mala actitud. Lamentable mi banda preferida tenga esta triste historia que contar, aunque no quieran.
You don’t seem to understand he was the founder and leader of the band, and his estate was entitled to a large sum of money. Nick couldn’t have that if it went to court, so he was he raised, even though Jager and Richards wrote most of the music they still had no way of legally separating Jones from his portion so you make him look like he never existed in the public wouldn’t inquire and neither did his family
Mick and Keith didnt write most of the music they were taught to play by Brian seriously they only helped with some words >>Brian was the only one out of them that knew theory ...stop the bs ...Mick Taylor didnt get credit either..IF Mick and Keith are that good how come nothing great come after Brian and Taylor...
Unfortunately Brian was murdered by the man ,whom confessed to the murder on his death bed.Alledgedly.Check it out.Since Brian was murdered.Does he still have to carry the weight,of being the founder of the infamous 27 club?You know maybe Brian was not past his expiration date. Brian"s life was cut vary,vary short by a bullie .Whom was intent on hanging on to Brian...
Agreed. They lost that creative, unique edge he gave to them. Who was going to add the unique instruments and sounds to the songs? No one else had that sort of talent to do that. The quality of music sort of dropped after they got rid of Brian, and they became just a regular rock n roll band. Gone forever were the dulcimers, sitars, flutes, etc.
When the REAL creative spark behind the Stones,Brian Jones, died they became just another band.Post Jones they are shit and the only thing that stands out about them is their longevity and that's all.
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Brian Jones era Stones is my favorite. Aftermath is a masterpiece.
I agree
Me too!
Aftermath was the first of the really, really interesting Stones albums. 👍
@@AndyMangele Absolutely 💯!
@@michaelward9880 I actually haven't listened to Aftermath for quite some time now - but inspired by this thread I did today! 👍
The early Rolling Stones were the real Rolling Stones ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The early Rolling Stones were really the Blue Boys. the blues band that Mick and Keith formed and founded with Dick Taylor on bass guitar and Tony Chapman on drums in 1961.
That is the band that debuted as the Rolling Stones July 12th 1962 at the Marquee club, with Brian Jones and Ian Stewart recently added. The only music group that Brian founded was the 27 club.
The Rolling Stones were founded by Mick and Keith.
That is the truth.
The Brian Jones era was actually the Andrew Loog Oldham era, when the producer forced the Stones to sound less bluesy and more pop to emulate the Beatles success
Oldham did more to make the band a pop success than Jones could ever do.
He saw the potential that Mick and Keith showed early on and he developed their creative musical strengths.
He took his job as band manager very seriously and he was very good at it.
Justice for arrangers like Brian Jones
@@Reprodestruxion Jones couldn't arrange his own hair.
@@williardbillmore5713Jones literally came up with Ruby Tuesday on piano. Those are his chord patterns, chord changes and he added a great recorder part on top of it. He also helped arrange a ton of the Satanic Majesty stuff with Keith. There was also the soundtrack for Anita’s film “A Degree of Murder”. By the way Brian did this without Andrew Loog Oldham being anywhere in sight. So yes, Brian could arrange a song. He was just too shy to try and write vocal melodies and lyrics. If he hadn’t passed away maybe he would found the confidence to do it.
@@clinteastwood6875 Completely invented lies. Jones had NOTHING to do with the writing of Ruby Tuesday. His piano playing was atrocious and he had no creativity whatsoever. This was Keith's song from inception to final mixdown and Keith wrote every note of it, including the recorder accompaniment, the bass and the piano part that Jack Nitzsche played ...
All Jones could "arrange" was his fluffy blonde hair.
This is a great video about Brian Jones. I read Kieth Richards book and definitely thought after Brian created the group they were trying to push him out. And Mick Jagger and Keith Richards writing all the songs Brian Jones must have been devasted. I read nothing but contempt for him in that book and Kieth said that all Brian wanted was fame and to mix with the famous, not acknowledging anything about his talent. And when he drowned it seemed Kieth couldn't care a less. However i do love The Rolling Stones music. Great doc. Keep up with them i love this era.
Thank you 🙏
Thank you for the comment.
Seems like Mick and Keith were two egotists, too ambitious and self centered to give Brian his breathing space. Maybe he was not perfect, but it wasn't the drugs that lead to his downfall it was his gradual demise that lead to the drug abuse it seems. The two logged the fame, attention and ultimately money, but the loss was theirs too.
Jones wasn't really very talented. Keith did care that his bandmate was killing himself.
The guy played every instrument he ever touched as if he'd been playing only that instrument for decades.
Virtuousity is a short, rare spectrum, Jones may be on the left of it, but the right is only a notch or two away. Mick and Keith will not be found there.
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This is a great mini doc. I saw a lot of rare gems such as Bill Wyman's interview and Jim Morrison's poem for Brian. I really enjoyed this. It was different from all of the other Brian Jones documentaries that I have seen here on TH-cam. Thank you for sharing 😁💖🎶
Thank you so much 🙏 I appreciate your kind words!
*“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”* ----Brian Jones 1963
Brian did NOT start the Stones. He asked Keith if he and Ian could join Keith's band and Keith agreed.
@Dalesco347 I know it's pretty funny given the unlikely fantasy BS that Bill has been telling anyone who will listen to him for the last five decades. He is the only source of all that crap and he wasn't even in the band at the time..
says, 'Brian had a wife and kid when the band started' WHEN THE BAND STARTED. can't you read?
@@barbarabarber3167 Brian Jones had seven children by six young women and he was NEVER married to anyone either before or after he joined the band.
This is one more lie about Jones I haven't heard of till today.
And Mick Taylor isn’t really the greatest thing that happened to the Stones in 1969. Yeah, right!
Big Stones fan especially the Jones era. Enjoyed your documentary👍
Awesome thank you so much 🙏
This is a very good analysis of the Brian Jones era--the era of my teenage years. Of course, along with my love of the Stones, I was a massive fan of The Beatles, who get most of the press for experimentation and 'changing music'. But Brian Jones was a master of experimentation and introducing different instruments into the world of popular music. It must have been soul destroying realising that he was not a creative songwriter. So not only did he lose control of being the founder member and leader of the band, but he also lost control of the direction that the Jagger/Richards songs steered the band.
Thank you so much 🙏 appreciate that feedback and yes couldn’t agree more! He brought a richness to their sound.
Brian wrote an entire movie soundtrack.
@Theaterpup
He did. If Brian had lived I think he would have gone in interesting directions. Although blues was his primary love, because of his mother, he had a firm grounding in classical music. He may have veered toward folk / folk rock. The Brian Jones instrumentals on early songs like Lady Jane, Ruby Tuesday etc give some idea of a Brian Jones sound that Jagger and Richards couldn't do.
the Beatles get far too much credit for advancing rock music
@@neonfroot The Beatles used to say that their sound was 'just rock 'n' roll'. What they did, though, was promote a band format. Even George Martin wondered who was going to be the lead singer because the whole American-led industry was about vocal groups and solo singers, not really bands who played their own instruments. So The Beatles took a combination of American soul and Motown music, and combined it with the rock 'n' roll rhythms of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly etc. And they did it better than anyone had ever done it before. They also showed the industry that bands could diversify, such as on Revolver and Sgt Peppers.
Brian Jones has never been erased from the Stones history, good documentary with an untrue title.
Yes he was, he was... Mmmmmh yes he was!
He's not in the angry video whatsoever.
The song by Muddy Waters was Mannish Boy which had the lyric “I’m a rollin’n stone”.
@@jamesball5743 look up the lyrics of Mannish Boy “I’m a rollin’ stone” is on twice. However there is a Muddy Waters song called Rollin’ Stone
No Brian Jones no Rolling Stones
No Brian Jones = Better Rolling Stones.
The band were at their best and most creative and popular in the days, weeks, months and years just after Brian Jones departed .
It wasn’t personal Brian got the Axe, It was business.
Brian kept getting arrested with drug charges and lost his ability to travel abroad as he lost his Visa.
Keith and Mick said Brian seemed disenchanted about the direction the band we’re heading.
Brian would show up at the recording studio and would be High off his face.
He became unreliable as he wasn’t up to par as far as contributing anything meaningful to the new songs written.
Another issue that never set well with Charlie, Bill, Mick and Keith is Brian physically beat his ladies.
Keith and Mick were getting ready to travel to the U.S. to support a new album.
They understood Brian could not travel and it was a career fact they needed to leave the UK.
Simple business decision, your fired pal.
Keith and Mick had no right it was Brians band they are assholes
@Arya-1111 ..it was all their band. He only had Ian answer his ad. He wasnt in a band. Mick and Keith were at the time. And they met in a club. And found they liked the same kind of music. And shared a flat together. Then started the group together. Brian did however,come up with their name.
@@thaismatsumoto Now I feel So We-Todded.
He did not beat his womans
@@Contact_Info No he did not nor was he a big druggie but he got set up and scape goated a few times ..jealousy in his own circle its appalling what they did to him
Bi-polar with addictions was difficult to treat back in the 60s.
Bipolar alone, and addiction alone are both difficult to treat even today
he had neither actually freak
blah bs on he had none of that though@@ganglestank
@@Arya-1111He was never clinically diagnosed, but it's evident he was suffering from something.
@@fuchsiaswing8545 AS WE ALL SUFFER FROM SOMETHING BUT DONT YOU THINK ANITA SHOWING UP WITH kEITH AT THEIR GIGS WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS DOWN STATE AND BEING MOCKED AT THE SAME TIME BY KEITH AND MICK ?...HE IS HUMAN AFTER ALL
06:52 This is a key element because although Brian was the natural leader of the band, its original member and by far its most talented musician, as stated in the video, Oldham assigned Jagger and Richards to the task of writing songs. What the hell?? It's a completely counter-intuitive decision! Brian wasn't initially against the Stones writing their own songs either, as it is sometimes insinuated. He actually suggested that the band could write and compose their material together, using a collective pen name. But the idea was turned down... Then Bill Wyman explained years later that the first Jagger-Richard pieces were mediocre and wouldn't have made it without Brian's touch. Even George Harrison who was a good friend of his said that one day, while Brian was messing around with his sitar, George basically saw him put together the first notes of Paint It Black, of course before it was ever composed. Yet he never was credited for it and neither for any creation that had to do with the Rolling Stones. As for his mishaps, of course dealing with international fame while suffering from the rejection of your fellow band mates at the same time must be pretty difficult. But there also discrepancies can be found in the description of his personality, such as when French model Zouzou who was his girlfriend for a while, talks about him. Some describe quite a different character than the narcissistic hedonist usually portrayed. He might rather have been a victim of group-bullying, who awkwardly tried to counter the manipulations he suffered. There was definitely a decades old smear campaign against him which makes me think he might not have been the raving maniac they've depicted time and again.
Anyway, it was a nice video that provides a different view of him. I would definitely encourage the author to expand on the subject and even dig deeper. For instance, the first question remains: why was he not asked to compose from the start?
good point. I wondered about that
@@freewheelingideas I have my own idea but it's somewhat speculative. Thanks for your reply.
All lies, Dale...All lies.
@@williardbillmore5713 The range of instruments he could play was pretty impressive, wasn't it?
@@alt-logia776 That's undeniable, I think we all agree on that
There's so much talk about the 27 club with Hendrix, Morrison and Joplin. People forget to mention Brian Jones.
Not really, I’ve heard Brian Jones 27 club for decades,,,,it# Alan “Blind Owl” Wilson of “Canned Heat” they forget most of the time…….
Instead of letting him go, they should have handled it the way the Beach Boys did when Brian Wilson became unable to travel and perform.
No Jones, No Stones ✌🎶
No Jones, Stones get better.
No Jones = better Stones. They reached their peak success just after they fired Jones and got a real guitar player.
@@williardbillmore5713I am not sure why the Brian Jones warriors over-romanticize him. It gets annoying as “no Jones, no Stones” has become their silly mantra. Other than decorating Mick and Keith’s songs with a dulcimer, Mellotron, or some other off-center instrument, he wasn't that significant when the band started reaching its apex. In fact, he had become so insufficient on guitar and unreliable that Keith was doing double duty on Beggars and Let It Bleed. I like the guy, but these obsessive fanboys are delusional.
@@fuchsiaswing8545 I like to counter with "No Jones = Better Stones", noting that they became more popular and mores successful in the weeks and months just after he departed the band.
The myth that Brian formed and founded the Stones is equally obnoxious and untrue.
No Jones = Better Stones.
They slowly pushed him to one side , they snatched his girlfriend from under his nose and then , to top it off , they fired him. With friends like that , who needs enemies.
Jones marginalized himself and Anita was a smart strong willed woman. No one can "snatch" from anyone what they don't own and no one ever "owned " Anita.
She left Brian because he was abusive.
I agree. Mick and Keith weren't as sensitive as Brian and their rough play really did him some serious harm.
Jones was the heart and soul of the Rolling stones and Mick and Keith were genuinely intimidated by Brian's intelligence and incredible raw talent. Pallenberg was an untalented groupie who slept with all of the members except Charlie. Some men will always confuse ruthless controlling bitches with strength and confuse sensitivity in men with weakness.@@williardbillmore5713
Anita was not a piece of property to be stolen. She left Jones because he was abusive physically and emotionally, and he was about as faithful as an ally cat.
Brian had to be fired . He could no longer do the minimums of his job.He was bringing them down and holding them back. Jones was trying to dissolve the band and he was sure they couldn't survive without him...
Boy was he wrong.
The days weeks, months and years immediately following his departure were the best the Stones would ever be.
Brian's worst enemy in the world was Brian Jones. He killed himself with booze and drugs.
@@williardbillmore5713 No she wasn't his she was everyone's. Female narcs will use anyone and everyone as stepping stones if they lack talent themselves.What is the REAL tragedy is that Brian's father was right about him, he wasn't cut out to be a star on the world stage others just ate him up.
Photo at 12:15 is Brian and Suki Poitier and not Anita.
Brian Jones was the heart and soul of the rolling stones his death was so sad and so tragic his bandmates should have got him help for his addiction the band he created and music was brilliant but it was taken away from him rest in peace Brian Jones
The Brian Jones era of the rolling stones is the best the music was brilliant and fantastic especially songs like the last time,tell me,off the hook, heart of stone,lady Jane and my favourite rolling stone song paint it black
Doctors were giving him the drugs. Medicine wasn't advanced on addiction.
No , the heart and soul of the Rolling Stones are still performing to this day.
Jones had no heart or soul. He was a psychopath and a malignant narcissist
Truth for Brian Jones❤
Brian was no wilting flower. He always had the nastiest things to say about anyone or anything and he had no filter for holding anything back over a concern about their feelings.
Any shit Keith and Mick gave him was merely an attempt at payback from Brian's often cruel and insensitive negative comments. Anyone who knew Brian well always said he was an asshole... and he was.
The way he abandoned his own children and refusal to give them any support, while he lived the opulent life of a millionaire rockstar should be all anyone needs to know about what a truly awful scumbag of a person he was.
"Hyde Park was the funeral. And the bit about burying and shovels and all that, it's not that important to me. That was his funeral." Thanks for including this. People are always asking why Keith wasn't at the funeral, I figured that was why.
Your welcome. Yea people tend to jump to conclusions. I try to include all sides to get the full story.
@@freewheelingideas you havent got the full story yet
Yeah..Keith does not do funerals. He didn't even go to his mother's.
Keith never attended ANY funeral burials...Not even his own mom and dad's. You are absolutely correct.The band and their fans held Brian's funeral at Hyde Park
@@thaismatsumoto No, but he did snort a few of his dad's ashes when the old man died (I kid you not).
Why was Brian, Fired from the band? Simple, Keith, said 'If the Stones, are going out on tour telling Mick& band We got to do something about Brian', Keith said 'Mick& Me had to go down to Brian's house & tell him hey cuck your Fired!! Keith, went on to say, Brian, was gone, he was out in the stratosphere'. He said 'I don't think Brian, even took it all in... He was already wasted, off in the stratosphere!!!!!
Ah blue turns to grey always one of my top ones back in the day
I have a couple Stones guitar tab books. Pics of Jones are in both. Mick Taylor has zero pics .
He was hounded and planted by the UK authorities and bullied by Mick and Keith until his self-esteem was gone.
It's true that Brian was a jerk to them too. He had a lot of personal problems and was not always a pleasure to be around said several people.
Jones was the victim of himself and no one else.
RIP Brian your not forgotten.
Brian Jones was his own worst enemy.
What a sad shame to loose a talent like Brian had.
Jones really did not have much talent at all. Nothing he did in the Stones was essential or creative.
@@williardbillmore5713 : LOL, you're crazy.
@@Nicholas-dreamlove I'm not crazy. You just never heard the truth about Brian Jones before.
@@williardbillmore5713 : Please stop responding to me, you obviously know little to nothing about playing music.
@@Nicholas-dreamlove I made y living as a Rock musician for 29 years and I have been a fan and follower of the Rolling Stones for over 50.
I have forgotten more facts about the Stones and their music than you will EVER know in your entire lifetime.
Says a lot about the character of Mick and Keith. They did not give Brian Jones songwriting credit on Lady Jane. We came up with the Melody. This continue with Mick Taylor, who wrote most of the songs for three albums, and was credited with none of them. They are still getting royalties off his work. No wonder he left. It would’ve helped if he sang. It would’ve helped if he wrote. But the Rolling Stones drove Brian to despair. They were all about money.
Lady Jane is a great song! Brian brought his trademark musical skills.
Wtf Mick Taylor wrote the songs..get off the crack pipe
Bullshit... Any member who wrote lyrics or melody for one of their songs got full credit and copyrights. Jones never had an original musical idea in his entire career.
There was a lot mystery around Brian's death! It's been said that maintenance people at his house were suspected.
Yea I heard about that. There were conflicting reports though.
There really wasn't any mystery around Brian's death at all. A very drunk and drugged out rich guy passed out in his heated pool and died. The mystery has all been invented an fantasized.
You never know what exactly goes on with these people. I suppose when the devil is in the details that's how it goes. The wages of sin is death. May these people repent (turn from their wickedness).
You shall know them by their fruits. They influence the masses with a rotten bill of goods. As Bob Dylan said, you got to serve somebody it might be the Lord or it might be the devil but you got to serve somebody. Choose which kingdom you will serve. And beware of Papal Romanism and Apostate American Protestantism rising up and reunification of church craft and state craft. Know the truth.
Photo at 8:28 is Suki Poitier and not Anita Pallenberg
I thought same when that photo flashed.
Cause the birds liked Brian most.
Brilliant Narrative- The Rolling Stones was Brian Jones, period. Thanks for sharing the brilliance of Brian.
Wow I greatly appreciate your feedback! Thank you 🙏 Gives me the motivation to keep going!
And dont think it was good off Keith❤and Mick to make love to Anita😢and not good off het either to go in the back off Brian❤❤😢and be unfaitful when Brian😢whas in Hospital😢❤and be sik..Buth all they use drogs 😢and so much sex and all kind off women all the time..And Mick be unfaitful behind the back off Keith with Anita in that mowie and have sex😢my god and they part on the same women❤😢my god I say is that friendly to do that in the same band...😢😮it is so much we dont now about this guys in the band so much secrets😮about sex and women and men😮and Rocken roll.❤❤❤
If that were true then how did the Rolling Stones go on without him, let alone get better?
Erased? No, just replaced because he had to be.
It seems that they all took the same amount of drugs, but reacted differently to them. Also, some took them recreationally with no problems, only Brian's mental health got very affected. He knew what was going on, that the people he put in place tried to get rid of him.
And a death bed confession from someone working at Brian's house? They are not talking about it. "We're not going to tell you."
Mick and Keith rarely speak about Brian. When they do they mostly down play his talent and importance in the band. They usually just talk about his last days and his drug abuse. It's a shame.
Maybe it's too painful and personal. But they've both praised Brian's talents a lot over the years.
Does anyone know exactly how many instruments Brian plays in all recordings? 10, 15?
He was erased because he couldn't function. Like Mick said not everybody is cut out to be in a rock band for fifty years
The film neglects to mention the crucial fact that the same first huge hit written by Jagger-Richards, "The Last Time," which launched them on their career path, features as perhaps its most memorable highlight the hypnotic, repetitive guitar riff, which was actually Brian's creation! (Just one of many songs to which Brian made standout compositional contributions of course, a list too long to cite here.)
Justice for Brian Jones.
No Jones,NO STONES.
Keith and Mick treated him horribly. Stole hid band, music, and woman. Never even went to his funeral or try to find out how he died.
Anita or the Stones were never his to lose. Brian had been killing himself for a long time. Anyone who knew him well realized that he was killing himself and he knew it.
Brian was not " erased " from the Rolling Stones . His musicianship had slipped in 1968 and it was hard to include him on records . His best playing on Beggars Banquet was the lovely bottle neck guitar on No Expectations .They could not tour the US in 1969 with Brian as he would not have been able to cut it on stage , or maybe even get on stage . Many people remember him as a friend . Bill and Charlie are two who have expessed this . Bill wrote in his memoir Stone Alone that Brian was the first English electric guitarist to play bottle neck electric guitar on a record . Little Red Rooster . He could have gone on to great things , but alas he died to young .
Brian was the brains behind the Stones and they didn't like that. He wanted to move on to more cerebral music and staying with the Stones wasn't challenging enough. I believe Mick was very jealous of that genius.
Brian was the brains behind the Stones and they didn't like that. He wanted to move on to more cerebral music because the Stones weren't challenging enough. Mick was jealous of that genius.
Was Brian's talented contributions to the Stones fully acknowledged and honoured by the rest of the band ? They get the big bucks and he's 'just a memory'.. Brian R.I.P
Gone on to great things? He accomplished his great things, the entire 60s. Far more than most ever will.
@@TheaterPup Quite right, he could have done even greater things👍🏼
Death by misadventure?!!!
The real term is ''taken out''. When there is big money to be made by wealthy and/or powerful people, and you are a liability to them, then off to that great recording studio in the sky you go.
Brian killed himself and it was no accident.
@@williardbillmore5713 Throughout these decades, there has been no evidence of a Brian Jones suicide. The medical examiner would have easily spotted that.
I believe he was horrendously violent to women. Didn't Nico date him and say that he was a fine guy until he got you in a room alone and then locked the door? I think the Stones themselves had him beaten up because of things he had done to women he was with.
NO HE WASNT >>>ANITA WAS THE FIERY ONE ACTUALLY>>STOP THE RUMORS BS AND DO THE PROPER RESEARCH
Jones not only physically abused the young women he used, but when they became pregnant by him he abandoned his six children and their mothers and refused to support any of them, even after he became a multi millionaire. There was NOTHING nice about Brian Jones.
Steal his band, steal his girl, tell him he has no talent. I have never liked the Rolling Stones after Bryan. What an amazing guy Bryan most of been. They all went to kick him out of the band, but didn't go to his funeral. That speaks alot.
Bill and Charlie went to his funeral .
It’s pretty obvious that the other Stones were jealous of Brian.
Who in the world could be "jealous" of a dead talentless drunkard?
Then what was Ian Stewart? The INVISIBLE Rolling Stone?
Good point. Although he was demoted and allowed to stay on as a roadie not fully fired.
He played piano on a lower stage sort of sub-stage, until i saw them live I didn’t know about him.
He played on stage with them till his death in 1985. he never played on a sub-stage. he always played on stage with them. he always played on what he wanted to play on and the stones considered him to be a full member of the band. that's why his signature is included with mick's and the rest of the stones in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame.@@mygreatbigfoot1679
@@freewheelingideas ‘Stu’ became their Roadie and played piano on many of the early records. He plays piano or organ on every album apart from Satanic Majesties and Beggars Banquet until his death in 1985. He also played live on stage from 1969 onwards.
@@BigSky1 thanks for that info!
i believe what Bill Wyman said here……he was an original thinker, possibly a
a genius & an ego maniac & preening peacock (i love the way he dressed!)
To be honest , someone said that Mick and keith. Were unthankful to Brian if it wasn't for him.The rolling stones would not have been a band. He started the rolling stones. He founded that band and. I heard that someone introduced him to drugs and wish he hadn't because it really screwed up his brain.
Jones did NOT start the Rolling Stones. Keith and Mick did. Brian became wealthy and famous on the talents of Mick and Keith.
The only group of musicians Jones founded was the 27 club.
@@williardbillmore5713 Do you do your research? This showed up when I read it
Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones (28 February 1942 - 3 July 1969) was an English musician and founder of the Rolling Stones
He was the leader until he did drugs.
I imagine they are all capable of genuine empathy, but Charlie seems the only one consistently unscheming and companionable.
Brian calls themtherolin'stones. From the Muddy waters song, rolin'stone
Brian had a wife and kid when the band started…..management did not want that image , Mick slept with Brian’s girl, Brian got paid more because he had a kid-which Mick and Keith misunderstood. Mick and Keith had so much energy and drive and would not slow down, even for deaths of close friends…Brian couldn’t keep up, and Keith stole his girlfriend, then Mick stabbed Keith in the back by shagging Anita, who denied it for years, then admitted it was :performance art” to have sex with Jagger when making a movie Keith begged her not to make and offered to pay her not to make. Brian Jones let Keith cry on his shoulder after Ruby Tuesday dumped Keith, Keith actually moved in to live with Brian and Anita…..when Keith fell in love with his best friend’s girl on the rebound, after Brian and Keith wrote Ruby Tuesday to help Keith get over her. Mick and Keith get too much credit for what was a whole band effort. Jones, Wyman and even Watts all contributed to song writing. Keith said Brian’s songs all sounded like hymns that should be performed by a Welch choir………so I think it was a joke when they wrote that dumb intro to “You Can’t always get what you want”…..with the choir beginning……the horn is beautiful, though….and sounds like something Brian would come up with, and the song was done and being performed before Brian died.They called Brian paranoid, but admitted they were out to get him.
Nice fiction. You could get a job writing soap opera scripts.
All you need to add is an evil twin.
Hi, picking up on the last bit of your comment. I felt that the choir ruined what was potentially a very good song. It was too much overkill. All it needed was the acoustic guitar, horn and the piano. I am sure I heard a better recording of the song like that as the B side to Honky Tonk women.
Where do you get the idea that Anita was "owned" by Brian. She left him because he was an abusive asshole.
Jones had absolutely nothing to do with writing any Rolling Stones songs
Superb but sad story
Then, Keith started going out with Brian's girlfriend or ex-girlfriend. Such respect.
Frank Thorogood killed him snds put him in the pool
He admitted it on his death bed in 1993.
@@Skycladatdusk78or the shady guy who said it is shifting blame.Its only his word.
It's not true. Most likely Tom Keylock was involved. Tom's brother worked for the police department. It was Tom who said Frank confessed the killing to him. Franks children said its a lie !
"Altamont" was the karma the Stones received for throwing Brian under the bus.
Yea that was crazy
Um, no. A random audience member was not killed by karma. That's a weird thing to say.
The crowd and Hells Angels were out of hand all day. The Grateful Dead were too scared to even play. You could see the tension already when Jefferson Airplane was playing. This was hours before the Stones were there.
@@TheaterPup No different than ppl saying Lennon was shot for the comments he made in the 60's.
@@TheaterPupHe stopped being random when he pulled a revolver.
Similar with Florence Ballard
Me thinks that Jones was just to damn good looking in that band of ugly's ..plain & simple.
HAHAHA!
they did seem jealous of him.
You told the truth and nothing but the TRUTH !
Jared Harris should just walk around in a wig whereever Keith and Mick are to haunt them
The Stones saw what The Beatles did with the Paul sacrifice and they wanted in, later Who and Zep would join in the game
Brian Jones died because he knew, at 27, that the best was already behind him. Like Jim Morrison, he was going to get his kicks, " before the whole shit-house goes up in flames." Not everybody's interested in winning a life-time achievement award.
And why are there, allegedly, 80 pages about his death kept secret by the gov for 75 years????
The were showbiz not the revolution. Never bigger than lower middle class wannabees hanging around rich people. Hells, Angels save your life - not so much as a thank you. Lemmy said : mummy's boys crap on stage.They stole the copyright and his girlfriend then the band. Nothing about J&R original. Taylor Jones made them feel inferior because they were artistically - so did Pallenburg Faithful who raised there game with a higher level of culture . So overated. There isn't a great Stoner album after Jones. Yah yahs is and was always the go to fill in. But nobody escapes Karma. ( the hideous Jones hex of Sticky Fingers) awful roadie's album. Ect never released their greatest album / track out takes of Exile and of course Altamont! They coulda been but passed at their shot at the greatest album of the 70s. Like the film Performance ( he's actually called Taylor 😂 in the film) a has been washed up hiding in his Powis Square town house. Ultimate poseur who sang about the Devil but couldn't handle it - when he actually rocks up. It's only Rock n Roll. Best epitaph : I Don't Know Why / AKA Hillside Blues. Before their turn to stadium rock bores.As Macca said : blues covers band.
He couldn't tour, play any more or EVEN STAND UP! 3 good reasons right there! plus they could write great songs and he couldn't write one. How much was 20 Quid in 1963? So they really played for 10 Quid? 7:14 Staple Singers not Sisters
He should have been co credited on multiple songs.
he did write songs he majored in English he often wrote little love notes as well...he was way more educated so I wouldnt be listening to the lying Keith and .Mick as they are thiefs ...THey didnt write all those songs you credited to ...Brian did way more than they say,,,Ask Mick Taylor
@@TheaterPupWhich ones? Lol
If he couldn't stand up, how is he standing during the last photoshoot with him on May 21st 1969?
Mick jagger and Keith Richards have never shown any sympathy for his demise..they are disgracefull¡ it's thanks to Bryan that they are so successfully! What a sad affair!
Thats what I'll never understand. Fact they never went to his funeral but tried to capitalize on him at the Hyde Park concert made me sick. It revealed exactly who they were . Brian was no angel but he didn't deserve to be ghosted by Mick and Keith while he was still in the band and into death. Mick and Keith have moved through life doing the same thing. They never apologized to anyone they sucked a soul from.
Drugs were always handy to let Brian take the blame.
They erased him for sure those two idiots jager and Richard’s
Didn't even go to his funeral. Assholes.
Right
Brian Jones did NOT found the Rolling Stones. He JOINED Keith's band The Blue Boys that band became the Rolling Stones.
Here in his own words is proof.
Interviewer: ---What were you doing before you joined? ( the band)
Brian--- "Well just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen , really
I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith and then ...well THAT was a successful band."
After admitting that his attempts to start his own band were "unsuccessful"Brian seems to indicate here that he felt that Mick and Keith had a successful band when he "met up" with them. That would explain why he wanted to join them. The line up on stage at the Marquee Club where they debuted, indicates that he did join them because he and Ian were there and Keith and Mick's band, he "met up with, remained complete and intact.
Jones Stones best Stones
They did him dirty All had drug problms even Keith didn’t fire him u as he band he started it Mck as jealous of him
Yeah...they did him dirty. Especially Keith...sleeping with his girlfriend
Their drug problems came later. Some say it's how Keith reacted to Brian's death.
pulled a knife on him the day before he was drowned by Keiths employee@@charlesbronson4282
@@charlesbronson4282...ex-girlfriend. She broke up with him after he punched her in the face.
He, the BJ carved, galvanised the way the others, following like undergoing hypnotherapy..
Brian Jones was an intoxicated egomaniac who threw it all away. Yes that is exactly what Brian Jones was.
His fate was a direct result of what he chose to do to himself.
I would leave that band and sue them for my share and do the most damage to them. Maybe he was murdered by the Stones.
Jones might have been a narcissist but he probably would have outgrown it he was only 27 in the brain is stil developing. And the others were very jealous of him he was better looking than them and he had style after he was dead they assumed his stylistic ways or tried to
Good point on the maturity
MIck and Keith were very jealous of Brian and bullied him etc
Brian was way more superior to those 2 nasty men @@freewheelingideas
Jagger and Richards hired a hit man.
If Brian Jones started the Stones , why didn’t he have total ownership of the Rolling Stones , as well as a patent on their name .?
Because he was an artist and a rebel, not a businessman.
They knew it was his that's why they offered him such a big fee up front and then extra money every year the bands going.
How well did the fab four do with their licensing? Stones as well in early 60s England? Perhaps you're a retired intellectual property barrister.
do the research freak
He wasn't 'erased', he was fired because he could not tour with the band.
i heard a roadie made a death bed confession?
The Stones came from wealth
The Beatles were the real tough guys growing up in liver pool
That was a bad ass place in the 1950 s
I think the images should be reversed
BS. Micks dad was a PE teacher, Keith's sold light bulbs, Charlie's drove a bus. The Beatles were solid middle class kids. Learn some history.
Brian didn't die. He was saved. Saved from this bullshit ass life and world we live in.
IMO the Stones are colorless w out Jones most of their music sounds the same
He definitely brought a lot of richness and credibility to their sound.
Exile sounds nothing like Black and Blue sounds nothing like Emotional Rescue.
Jones "erased" himself.
oh, without a doubt.
Thorogood did it
@@rachelar Thorogood forced Jones to take all that amphetamine and then seven shots of brandy?
How did he do that?
Muddy Waters first played slide guitar in the UK in 1958 when he toured England with Chris Barber's band, marking a significant moment in the resurgence of blues interest in the country; his first show was at the Odeon Theatre in Leeds.
Brian Jones was 15 at that time and he did not get his first guitar until his 17th birthday.
The story that Brian was the first to play slide guitar in the UK is pure bullshite.
Lo quisieron dejar en el olvido, pero les salió mal pues los propios fans de los Stones lo mantenemos vigente, fue la mejor etapa y Mick y Bryan tenian el carisma. KRichards es ... muy ruin y soberbio en sus declaraciones.. hasta hoy dia se tiene que aguantar la presencia" de Jones en la banda, el reconocimiento de los fans al talento. Hablamos de musica, la relacion personal es cosa de ellos, aunque es obvio que Richards le tenia envidia... el look, la novia, la fama! Bill Wyman ha hablado mucho sobre la fama de Brian y el público. Los gemelos" son los autores, su talento es innegable, pero con éste tema de BJones es muy mala actitud. Lamentable mi banda preferida tenga esta triste historia que contar, aunque no quieran.
You don’t seem to understand he was the founder and leader of the band, and his estate was entitled to a large sum of money. Nick couldn’t have that if it went to court, so he was he raised, even though Jager and Richards wrote most of the music they still had no way of legally separating Jones from his portion so you make him look like he never existed in the public wouldn’t inquire and neither did his family
Let's hear that again with right punctuation and composure
Mick and Keith didnt write most of the music they were taught to play by Brian seriously they only helped with some words >>Brian was the only one out of them that knew theory ...stop the bs ...Mick Taylor didnt get credit either..IF Mick and Keith are that good how come nothing great come after Brian and Taylor...
You don’t know anything you’re a Numskull@@Arya-1111
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Brian Jones - STOP YOUR DRUGS
Brian Jones created the Rolling Stones nobody else
Unfortunately Brian was murdered by the man ,whom confessed to the murder on his death bed.Alledgedly.Check it out.Since Brian was murdered.Does he still have to carry the weight,of being the founder of the infamous 27 club?You know maybe Brian was not past his expiration date. Brian"s life was cut vary,vary short by a bullie .Whom was intent on hanging on to Brian...
He was anti war that is why they hated him. He was like John Lennon.
Just my opinion but after Brian Jones they were just another pop band, over rated after Brian...but they had to move on without him regardless.
Agreed. They lost that creative, unique edge he gave to them. Who was going to add the unique instruments and sounds to the songs? No one else had that sort of talent to do that.
The quality of music sort of dropped after they got rid of Brian, and they became just a regular rock n roll band.
Gone forever were the dulcimers, sitars, flutes, etc.
they didnt write any good songs after funnyu that .Angie they stole from BriAN AFTER HIS DEATH they stole his stuff
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He really wasn't very talented.
Jones was a poser.
Jagger is Richards was his biggest enemys jealous and nasty piece of work
When the REAL creative spark behind the Stones,Brian Jones, died they became just another band.Post Jones they are shit and the only thing that stands out about them is their longevity and that's all.
The founding member! I hated the stones after Beggers, it was trash!
Bruh sticky fingers and exile are literally their best albums