Well, there are 3 versions of Bad Apple for the Sega Master System; asides for the colored version, the others could be easily ported to CV, as long as there's bankswitching available.
Simply staggering. Had an Intellivision as a kid, and I the graphics were just so blah compared to my friend's C64. It had a few good games though. Top demo. Thanks for all the hard work that must have gone into making this.
@@somegreenguy with additional hardware the synthesizer could (probably) be forced to output a version of the original vocals (in a similar vain to Pikachu's cry in Pokemon yellow. Intelivision's cpu wouldn't be nearly fast enough, but it could (probably) be made to work.
You might be able to emulate it by having Spencer AL2 from Chipspeech (which is based upon the speech synthesisers for the Intellivision, Odyssey2, and ZX Spectrum) sing the lyrics for bad apple.
Not sure if you're still around, but I'm impressed that you managed to synchronise the music and video perfectly throughout! Some other console demos can't even do that!
This is the first time I looked at this, although I heard about it on AtariAge. If the resolution was 40x24, it could easily have been done in Colored Squares graphics mode. But it looks higher than that. So how it's all getting updated at 60FPS has me stumped. I'm very curious now how large the ROM image is.
@@IntyMichael Then it's obviously bankswitched. I was thinking about using a similar method to create a menu for a 4-in-1 title that would feature 4 animations that are 32x32 pixels in size.
The animation is 80x48 and plays back at 30fps (this is set by the source material). In principle the animation works in a similar manner to ASCII art. Offline the video has been scaled to 80x48 each video frame is broken into tiles of 4x4 pixels, giving a tile resolution of 20x12. These tiles are analysed to find the most common 64 patterns and these have then been used to create a character set, this set is actually 128 characters because you get inverted characters for free. Then the closest tile from this set is chosen for each of the 20x12 tiles in each frame. Finally each frame is compared to the last to identify changes and this generates a long list of instructions that are actually encoded in the ROM. The ROM also contains a small video player that reads the instructions and plays them back as quickly as possible, so in reality the playback is not locked to 30Hz. Whilst the video will not play faster than 30Hz because playback waits for the next video frame at the end of each animation frame's instructions, it might exhibit the odd frame skip in frames with lots of change. In practice this is not significant as the runtime of the video is correct relative to the original. The ROM does use large amounts of bank switching (218K words - 435KB). However, this is still some way short of the theoretical maximum of the Mattel bankswitching scheme which I believe is of the order of 760K words - 1520KB). I'm not sure whether a similar scheme could be used for several small and unrelated animations as you propose. This approach only changes BACKTAB during playback and relies on the reuse of tiles between frames, once set during initialisation the GRAM is not reprogrammed at all. As you will be aware the timing constraints are significantly tighter for changing GRAM and in practice it is only possible to change ~16 tiles/frame. This would seem to cap the framerate to 15 fps if you use all 64 tiles and are unable to reuse tiles between frames. So I think whether or not this is feasible is dependent on the content of your animation frames. That said some kind of hybrid approach where you both reprogram some tiles and reuse others might work well (and potentially be significantly more impressive).
You can't change the pitch of the built-in phonemes on the Intellivoice, so it can't really sing. The nearest I've managed to achieve is Daisy Daisy from 2001... th-cam.com/video/Y6zQbA8RLJE/w-d-xo.html. You can create your own voice samples and compress them, as is done with the Mattel Intellivoice games, but information on how to do this is not generally available and the result requires large amounts of cartridge space. So I think I'll pass.
![[16-Bit;Genesis]Bad Apple!!(배드애플)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8XGJlvCOl50/mqdefault.jpg)
MATTEL ELECTRONICS PRESENTS
BAAAAD APPL
BAAAAAAAD AAAAAAPPLE!
@@oh_no_no_no BAAAAD APPL
@@SSKJ64BLEE SEVENTEEN BWAMLBERRR
MATTEL ELECTRONICS PRESENTS:
BEEEEEEEEE SEVENTEEEEEEEN BAWWWWMER
Why did I read this with Nerd's voice?
Even Intellivision now. Bad Apple continues to grow.
Still no Colecovision version, as far as I can tell. Will anybody accept the challenge?
Well, there are 3 versions of Bad Apple for the Sega Master System; asides for the colored version, the others could be easily ported to CV, as long as there's bankswitching available.
Ever on and on, it continues
They included a TV remote instead of a controller for this very reason. The intellivision was *made* for multimedia
it's a phone
This is amazing. What else can we say? 6 voices with ECS, incredible!
The sound: standard beeps and bloops
The video: PSX mp4 quality
Simply staggering. Had an Intellivision as a kid, and I the graphics were just so blah compared to my friend's C64. It had a few good games though. Top demo. Thanks for all the hard work that must have gone into making this.
Needs the voice module
I'd bet with the intellivoice the Intellivision could be the oldest console capable of running Bad Apple with the original audio.
it was little more than a voice synthesizer, but it would be funny to hear "MATTEL ELECTRONICS PRESENTS: BAD APPLE"
@@somegreenguy with additional hardware the synthesizer could (probably) be forced to output a version of the original vocals (in a similar vain to Pikachu's cry in Pokemon yellow. Intelivision's cpu wouldn't be nearly fast enough, but it could (probably) be made to work.
@Mandark CZ They meant the digitized audio from the video, not the rendition of the audio
You might be able to emulate it by having Spencer AL2 from Chipspeech (which is based upon the speech synthesisers for the Intellivision, Odyssey2, and ZX Spectrum) sing the lyrics for bad apple.
B-17 AAAAAPPLE!
Not sure if you're still around, but I'm impressed that you managed to synchronise the music and video perfectly throughout! Some other console demos can't even do that!
simply incredible
I started looking for this after the atari version
Way better than the Atari version... as always 😁
Angry Apple 🍎😡
This is the first time I looked at this, although I heard about it on AtariAge. If the resolution was 40x24, it could easily have been done in Colored Squares graphics mode. But it looks higher than that. So how it's all getting updated at 60FPS has me stumped. I'm very curious now how large the ROM image is.
445 kb
@@IntyMichael Then it's obviously bankswitched. I was thinking about using a similar method to create a menu for a 4-in-1 title that would feature 4 animations that are 32x32 pixels in size.
The animation is 80x48 and plays back at 30fps (this is set by the source material). In principle the animation works in a similar manner to ASCII art. Offline the video has been scaled to 80x48 each video frame is broken into tiles of 4x4 pixels, giving a tile resolution of 20x12. These tiles are analysed to find the most common 64 patterns and these have then been used to create a character set, this set is actually 128 characters because you get inverted characters for free. Then the closest tile from this set is chosen for each of the 20x12 tiles in each frame. Finally each frame is compared to the last to identify changes and this generates a long list of instructions that are actually encoded in the ROM. The ROM also contains a small video player that reads the instructions and plays them back as quickly as possible, so in reality the playback is not locked to 30Hz. Whilst the video will not play faster than 30Hz because playback waits for the next video frame at the end of each animation frame's instructions, it might exhibit the odd frame skip in frames with lots of change. In practice this is not significant as the runtime of the video is correct relative to the original.
The ROM does use large amounts of bank switching (218K words - 435KB). However, this is still some way short of the theoretical maximum of the Mattel bankswitching scheme which I believe is of the order of 760K words - 1520KB).
I'm not sure whether a similar scheme could be used for several small and unrelated animations as you propose. This approach only changes BACKTAB during playback and relies on the reuse of tiles between frames, once set during initialisation the GRAM is not reprogrammed at all. As you will be aware the timing constraints are significantly tighter for changing GRAM and in practice it is only possible to change ~16 tiles/frame. This would seem to cap the framerate to 15 fps if you use all 64 tiles and are unable to reuse tiles between frames. So I think whether or not this is feasible is dependent on the content of your animation frames. That said some kind of hybrid approach where you both reprogram some tiles and reuse others might work well (and potentially be significantly more impressive).
One of these days, someone's going to try for the forbidden 1 voice modulation.
flan looks kinda weird without her evil smile
Nice
Sound chip:
ay-3-8910/Sunsoft 5B/YM2149/Atari ST
I feel nostalgic
:,) Atari could never
Evidence suggests that it can, and has - th-cam.com/video/Ko9ZA50X71s/w-d-xo.html
Now use the voice synthesis module for lyrics
You can't change the pitch of the built-in phonemes on the Intellivoice, so it can't really sing. The nearest I've managed to achieve is Daisy Daisy from 2001... th-cam.com/video/Y6zQbA8RLJE/w-d-xo.html. You can create your own voice samples and compress them, as is done with the Mattel Intellivoice games, but information on how to do this is not generally available and the result requires large amounts of cartridge space. So I think I'll pass.
A version made using the phonemes would sound bad, but would be hilarious! 😆
cool
Alt title: Bad apple but it's played in a Sega Game Gear
Can Atari do that?
..I mean yeah but that's not what the old commercials were trying to convey >.>
*now run It on the real machine*
No need, IntyMike did that 5 years ago... th-cam.com/video/azVigcPHXvo/w-d-xo.html ;-)
Is this really 30htz? It kinda looks like 60 to me
Yup, it's really 30fps. If it looks faster it's an optical illusion.
60 fps??? How is this possible
It's not, it only runs at 30fps. :)
Intellivision > Atari 2600