I haven't played Palword because I didn't care about it, but if Nintendo is trying to kill off all other monster games, then I will support Palword. I am tired of greedy old people.
No, every other one has his UNIQUE mechanics, like trapping with a card, recruit them or even hatching them. Palworld is just straight Pokémon but with weapons, all other games are sorprisely safe, even more beacause most of them are "friends" with nintendo, like capcom, bandai-namco, atlus, etc. Even indie games doesn't seems to have much problems by they own
@@martodilaya pocket pair made a blatent botw knockoff, didn't finish it, made palworld and made all the same promises. Plus they would've allowed pvp to allow you to "catch" over players pals.
Exactly, and it's fucking disgusting. Nintendo and other large corporate giants seriously need to be brought to light about their nasty ways they deal with competition. That's what gaming was always about was supposed to be healthy competition, even when it came to making games. The moment you made an amazing game, boom you were the next big talk and encouraged others to do better. IF NINTENDO GETS AWAY WITH THIS WITH PALWORLD IT WILL SEND AN AWFUL MESSAGE TO OTHER GAME DEVS SAYING THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE IN ORDER TO GET RID OF COMPETITION. It's sick and disgusting Nintendo, stop ruining what little of a good reputation you had left and retain some ethical value please.
cuz as far as im aware palworld was also using their own meshes on their pals and passing them off as "original designs" even though it was BLARINGLY obvious they weren't
@lukeskywalker5392 really??? had no clue. it still looks like they frankensteined part of other pokemon's designs for the pals though so i kind of understand why it made gamefreak go after them (alongside a button of other reasons). some of the comparisons are ridiculous
@pftheswaglord I think very few border on being kind of rip offs. The others feel inspired by certain pokemon which isn't really bad since many pokemon are inspired off real world things, plus palworld has plenty of original designs as well. But them trying to patent a mechanic that pocket pair did before them in their first game is absurd.
to simplify. Nintendo/Pokemon doesn't really give a sh!te about palworlds existence, their true target is Sony who is nintendo's biggest enemy. when palworld made a partnership with sony for being on the playstation consoles, nintendo saw that as sony threatening them. after the partnership with sony, palword gained an immense amount of traction and sony plans to double down on becoming the competition to pokemon. palworld is in a very grey area due to international copyright law between usa and japan, but a couple of the patents nintendo is trying to use, were filed after palworld's creation and the rest of them target the entire capture-mon genre(which last i check with videogame law, that doesn't hold up because you can't use mechanics as a reason to sue. if companies could, videogames wouldn't survive)...if nintendo loses this court case, sony could buy those patents or get them as compensation. the real fight here is sony vs nintendo, but this is a very complicated court case that many lawyers do not see nintendo winning
They better bloody not get control over those patents if that's the case; as much as Nintendo's being pieces of shit over this, I trust them with this more than the company that isn't afraid to sell your data because you refuse to play on their console.
I laugh because it's like how CoD is scared of any blossoming projects coming their way or any CoD clone... Competition breeds a better product, not stagnation.
@@ryuno2097Nintendo isnt making pokemon, Gamefreak creates them. Nintendo dont have power to control Gamefreak unfortunately since they are independent studio. Only thing that connects Pokemon and Nintendo is exclusivity and 33% at The Pokemon Company
Considering sun and moon exists where they have their own version of shadow the hedgehog and the entire game and the anime is based off of Yokai watch which itself is more based off of Pokémon than an actual rip off I don’t think they have a chance if the judge bringing that up in court. How fitting would it be if even if they won, the judge decided that to pay for their crimes of copying, they were forced to sell off all the human models from the Sun moon and the ultra games to level five. Would it happen? probably not. If this was to happen with a lose access to several popular Pokémon characters like red and blue. yes they appear in the battle tree. would it be karma at its finest? absolutely. needless to say, im on palworlds side.
what it really was that pokemon had a game like palworld in the works, but wanted to milk 30 more remakes before we even get to see it. now that palworld came out and beat them to it, they got mad and wanna sue them and shut them down, so they can continue not giving us what we want for another 20 years...
Land, air, and water mounting system they'd have to compete against Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest...there's so many games where Pokemon should be sued for using land,air, and water mounting systems. Monster capture has been around since Dragon Quest Monsters, and the mechanic of using objects to capture was used in Monster Rancher and several other games. The reason why the target is on Pocket Pair's back is because Palworld actually threatens competition and challenges the publisher's pride, showing them that it's not ok to leave a half finished product and showing them that quality is still preferred over quality. It's a matter of an overabundance of pride, something that will hurt consumers more than anything, but with the legacy of the company, would have been understandable and well placed if their work ethic matched what it did when they established their place in the industry.
What's Next?? Nintendo is going to go after movie companies for using the same feature/ride thing in certain fantasy/science fiction films simply due to video game patents also affecting television shows and movies featuring those inventions in entertainment??? Can't wait for many films prior to pokemon being under scrutiny because it features a human riding a creature to get to and from certain destinations.
When Nintendo says "investigate", being a video game company whose job is to make video games and not investigate, do they mean like they time they gangstalked that guy who made some emulator?
@@commenteroftruth9790 No career would be ruined. They worked for nintendo, that is good on their resume. They can then go to a company that's NOT a pile of trash who should die off and have their IPs sold.
@@commenteroftruth9790 Yikes. Hey when you formulate opinions get Nintendo's dong out of your brain when you do it. That was disgusting. Nintendo doesn't have anyone talented or worth employing. If they were talented they could get jobs any number of places elsewhere. Their employees are just as disposable as their customers.
I do not want the mon genre to be killed off, because Nintendo believes they are only ones to make it. I am already making a tribute to it as a causal fan myself.
i find it sad how they'll allow Mario clones on the Switch yet when a company attempts to do a Pokemon like game that gives them competition THAT'S where Nintendo draws the line
From my (extremely basic) understanding, patents exist as to force variety and innovation in the gaming industry so in a perfect version of this case, a human should be able to see that Nintendo's goal is to stop any competition from being able to create any game at all similar to Pokemon as to stop themselves from having to innovate, the complete opposite of what a patent should be used for, so said human should side with Palworld on this lawsuit. of course I don't know anything about law so I couldn't tell you what will happen just what I hope would happen.
Business and entertainment is a very strange combo. Businesses play king of the hill while entertainment unites to dig a hole without anyone talking just for the vibes
Pokémon Company does not want to innovate some TH-camr says “It is easy to be the best there ever was when there is no competition” so with no competition they do not have to work harder to innovate just keep pumping out mostly the same game over and over again
Ironic that the first lyrics for the opening theme of their first series are "I wanna be the very best! Like no one ever was!" More like they wanna be the best by making it so no one else is around to challenge them........
They will fail. we know what they will use as patents: Battleing creatures Mounting Creatures Catching creatures here's the thing: they are all updates to a parent patent filed in 2021. But those game mechanics were uses and even invented by pocketpair in their 2020 game; Craftopia. And Japan has laws against corruption, especially in court and business. So Palworld is in the clear.
Although I like Pokèmon, I'm really sad to see Pokèmon have become. I am really sad with Pokèmon's action on bullying various monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, TemTem, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises for Pokèmon to stay dominant in the monster taming genre as well as monopolizing the monster taming genre. I'm glad that Digimon and other monster franchises are supporting Palworld to ensure the safety of their right of existence as well as protecting the future of the monster taming genre. It's time for Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Hunter, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Moshi Monsters and other monster franchises to have their turn on the spotlight. I understand that protecting IP's is a good thing, but bullying competition is completely unacceptable. Pokèmon needs to have some friendly competition because Pokèmon doesn't own the word "monster". I really hope that Pokèmon lose the lawsuit or settle the lawsuit because if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, we would have to say goodbye to various monster franchises including Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises especially potential new monster franchises. No monster franchise will be safe from Pokèmon's reign of terror if Pokémon wins the lawsuit.
Why would we have to say goodbye to monster hunter? The games operate very differently. Same with Yugioh and various other titles named here. I think a lot of the reason in addition to what was stated above is that the designs from palworld can be a bit too close to those from pokemon. Like some of the Pals look like they could be direct evolutions of existing mons. I don't like what pokemon is doing at ALL but I would be lying if I didn't see someone of the early pals and wonder if there was a pokemon spin off game I hadn't heard of.
bullying what? it's literally the Palworld fnadom that constantly attacks pokemon, there are tons of animations about it and every single palworld fanboys cannot make a single sentence without mentioning pokemon.
What is this comment. When did Pokemon go after any of those other franchises? Yu-Gi-Oh isn't even remotely in the same genre and is a powerhouse in the world of TCGs. Who even remembers Chaotic? What the heck is Moshi Monsters?
@napsterking The lawsuit began before a deal with Sony was made. Microsoft can be considered at fault, too, as they allowed the game to be previewed on Xbox.
They want a small settlement so they can set the precedent No other Indie game studio will be able to use Mounts, any form of capture mechanic or fall damage ever again. This will cripple game development.
Depends, does kurotendo have patents in any country other than japan that can cripple creative freedom of developers across the world? If yes, then there's only one thing to do
Y'know, if Nintendo and The Pokemon Company was smart, they'd buy Palworld and allow them to help make better games. Instead they want to burn them down because this smaller company is selling more copies than them. The best way to describe this entire scenario is one word--INSANITY!
Why pay lots of money to buy a studio and improve your designs, when gasoline and dynamite are much cheaper. "Its not about the money. Its about sending a message"
I wonder if Nintendo would have gone this route if the Pals were different enough from the Pokes? I mean Digimon, Nexomon, Monster Rancher and many more "Pokemon likes" exist - some with the gameplay and story structure even more closely resembling a traditional pokemon game than Palworld. But they never went after those? One can argue that Palworld is making money but so did Digimon and Monster Rancher back in their days? Oh Also - I agree 100% that Nintendo and Gamefreak need the competition. Palworld is necessary - and Im glad it came out. I work as a 3D rigger for Games and 3D Animation. Part of my job entails looking closely at model asset topology (how they are constructed) so I can rig them for animators. I've had a look at the several models side by side. They obviously are no longer 1:1 copies with simple texture or color swaps - but holy hell is it so easy to take an existing model, spend 20 mins - a few hours to tweak the geometry/topology into a different shape - slap a different texture onto it and wham "original new character", no copy rights broken. What I don't support is blatant asset ripping off. Unfortunately unless you have experience/training in building 3D models - a normal person wouldn't understand how a models Topology plays into all this. Anyone can make a box, a sphere or a cylinder. Anyone can make a 3D model of an eel or a dog - HOWEVER. even two objects of the same shape and size are always likely to have different topologies. Topology referes to the amount of vertices (points), edges and edge loops (lines) and their placement on a 3D model. for simple shapes - like say a box with no general subdivision - 2 modellers can obviously model a box from scratch and come up with the exact same topologies by coincidence because a simple cube will always have 12 edges, 6 sides, and 8 vertices. But a complex model like a horse, or a human - two different 3D artists, modeling a complex shape from the ground up - and having their topologies match by above 80 % is ludicrous. It's like being able to randomly guess the exact combination on a 12 number lock. Palworld models - differ in shape and look enough for them to circumvent copy right restrictions legally. But having multiple models, each individually be an 80% topological match is a major red flag. That said - do I think Nintendo is doing the right thing here? No - going after them via patent is obviously just legal manoeuvring around the fact that they cant get them on Copy Right infringement. Do I believe Palworld needs to get sued. Yes - but not in the manner that Nintendo is doing it. Do I believe Palworld needs to get shut down - NO, them being around is good for competition and frankly what the industry needs.
Its plain and simple. Nintendo posted that early remark cause everyone wouldn't leave them the hell alone. It put Palworld on their radar, but Palworld filled a unique niche they couldn't/wouldn't fill, so they planned on ignoring it. It wasn't going to truly compete with Pokemon, and many people would surely abandon it, being that it was and still is, in reality an incomplete game. There was also nothing that could be latched onto, thus they risked the biscuit and went with the last resort lawsuit, the Patent Infringement Lawsuit. So What changed, that Nintendo is out for blood? Pocketpair signed a deal with Sony and Aniplex If anyone knows anything, its that Sony and Nintendo loathe each other, and Nintendo is the king of pettiness, and seeing this happening, nah, gloves come off. There may be actually no patent infringement that Nintendo can sue for, but they will take this risk if it means the further downfall of it's competitor.
As much as I'm a long serving Nintendo/Pokémon fan, but this is really getting out of hand, i will NOT Tolerate Nintendo's disgusting bullying tactics on small indie gaming companies like Pocketpair and Palworld and I admit that I enjoyed playing Palworld on my PS5 and I truly respect pocketpair for what they've delivered was a amazing refreshing game for what Nintendo, the Pokémon company and game freak failed to do. They need to focus on making Pokémon games better and it's good to face competition.
Oh, right. They forced WayForward to do as they're told and keep creative freedom to a minimum. Supposedly, all the female COs were supposed to be closer to the female designs seen in Shantae, but Nintendo immediately shot down the idea. It's also why I don't trust Nintendo enough to buy out Playtonic Games.
@@ATAndreiThomas even though you still didnt have full picture here? what about the fact that palworld's directer has been very disrespectful towards nintendo lately?
All i know is this: TPC better not kill ALL of these Pokemon fangames out here or its gonna be Hell to pay! But the reality is so many simp Fanboys out there will still buy Pokémon games and make them millions, no matter how lackluster it is. Thats the evil genius of Nintendo/Gamefreak and the simple mindedness of People! Hell, 10s of millions proved that last week 🙄
Saw one talking about this, that even Japan's patent law says you can't patent something if there's already a prior art. And even though the original patent does precede Palworld by 2 years, it does not precede PocketPair's other game of Craftopia, which uses the exact same mechanic and that one came out 2 years before Nintendo's patent. Not to mention I imagine World of Warcraft would like to have something to say about the mechanics Nintendo is claiming no one else can use. In which case, can you imagine Nintendo's reaction if not only does Sony act on behalf of their partnership agreement but also Microsoft on behalf of Activision Blizzard for WoW using all three of those mechanics and doing it first?
How did they get the patent then? It's like how seemingly no one can agree on if Crunchyroll did a crime or if it was legal because there are at least three diffrent stances going around the net.
@@lpfan4491 Um, they filed for it? Courts are not this all-knowing benevolent entity. They're people just like everyone else and I highly doubt that a patent clerk, even a japanese one, would be the person that would be all that versed into every aspect of every video game. The most they probably did was do a quick internal search to see if that mechanic was already patented, saw it hadn't been, then just assumed that the ones filing the patent had done their own due diligence and slapped down their stamp of approval. This is done all the time and not just by Nintendo. It's only if it gets challenged and brought up to a judge for adjudication that it's determined whether or not the patent is valid or either too overbroad or not something that can be patented in this situation. And then that only happens if the person being sued over it has the money necessary to fight the legal battle. Because if you have a ton of money to spare and you're able to effectively bankrupt your competition through legal fees, then even if you lose the lawsuit, you still win in the end since Japan doesn't award legal fees.
@@lpfan4491 It's true. This isn't the first Pokémon game patent Pokémon SV let's go feature is patent Pokémon XY passerby is patent Let's go pikachu and eevee gameplay is patent Pokémon unite field and button layout is patent Pokémon snap mechanic is patent And in the Japanese document it referenced Monster hunter and Ark
You can call Palworld being a pokemon rip off all you want, but suing them while ignoring the other pokemon rip offs really shows that they see Palworld as a threat, especially when they clearly couldn't sue over the monsters design(which hilariously is what most people who side with Nintendo think its the reason), so Nintendo went after pocket pair with gameplay patents that other games was already using. Also whats more hilarious is that Craftopia another game made by pocket pair is clearly a Zelda botw rip off was already using these same capture monster mechanic(but Nintendo completely ignores it ).
It may still be the reason is the thing. One of the bigger theories is that they just want an entry point to get Palworld searched for more issues and patents are the only thing they are confident they could win without bigger trouble.
Craftopia wasn't successful enough. c.c But, more-so Nintendo is getting involved because Sony got involved with Palworld.... History-Wise: Nintendo & Sony have been at "War' with each-other since the early 1990s when Nintendo & Sony teamed up to make a new peripheral for the SNES, a CD drive! The day after Sony announced it, Nintendo changed plans and changed to partnering with Phillips, announcing it to the world! Nintendo pulled out of this deal too... which lead to the Philips CD-i, and the peripheral that Sony was working on evolved in to the Playstation 1. Sony came to PocketPair and started backing them, wanting something to rival with Nintendo's 'Crown Jewel', some think that this is unjustified, but Sony's still pissed all the way back to the corporate betrayal of 1991... Japanese Corpos do not forget, and rarely forgive... Sony wants Palworld games, TV series, Merch... heck, if you look online you can see conventions with plush suits and the like... So, Sony stabbed back at Nintendo for Nintendo being jerks, and now Nintendo is going hard in the paint to shut Sony down.
palworld isn't the threat. its sony. this video is trash. watch the lawyer explains video... gives u a deep understanding of whats being played out here
Nintendo can rot right alongside its tired and dated franchise. They update the visuals, and throw in a one-generation sparkly new mechanic, but at the end of the day, every pokemon game is basically the same as the last. This lawsuit should be even more embarrassing for them, since Palworld isn't even in the same genre of games. Its not a turn-based RPG. Its not 'pokemon with guns'. Its a survival game, that has monsters you can capture and use. And pokemon didn't even invent the concept of having a fighting monster in an object. I don't remember the series name, but a 1970s era live-action show in Japan had a character with kaiju released from objects he carried, to fight the monster of the day. So that patent alone should be thrown out as a stolen idea. And flying mounts in video games date back at least to the 1980s arcade game, Joust.
They update the visuals? Scarlet and Violet looks worse than X and Y... and that generation was on an older platform. They've gotten lackluster and lazy, so much so that they don't even wanna let anyone use all of the Pokemon roster since Sw&Sh
@@terakhanthis Also, irl their are traditions & big bank takes little bank. Lastly, meaning Pokémon is worth more than PalWorld bcuz Pokémon is way more than just a game.
The problem seems to be entirely about Japanese Law If they tried to patent sue anywhere else in the world, they would be laughed at. But Japan seems to allow this.
aside from nintendo doing nintendo things, its the pokemon stans that really killed this man. i have no idea why they don't like palworld and why they wanted to white knight this. i like pokemon and i like palworld. both are good.
I agree with this. If Pokémon wins the lawsuit, we would have to say goodbye to Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Moshi Monsters, Monster Sanctuary, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, or other monster franchises especially potential new monster franchises.
@@cliffordkun2844 Literally not how japanese law works. Your confusing it with Us patent law stare decisis does not exist in japanese formal law. if nintendo WINS they have NO right to seek to shut down those other games. They only have that right if they LOSE.
I saw a video like this recently, and apparently, it's a counter to playstation company, i forget the name, getting palworld as a game for the playstation. It's not about being a pokemon clone but more of stopping a rival big game company from getting a game like pokemon that possibly could have sequels. Gonna look through watch history to find the content creator that mentioned this. (Edit: It's the channel named moon channel.)
Imagine FromSoft suing othet companies for making a Souls clone. Only Nintendo could be so petty to stop competition and being the monopoly in the genre.
Don't forget it also includes "ANIPLEX" meaning Palworld Anime. Nintendo is out for blood because Pocketpair signed a deal with the devil and their mortal enemy.
PKM ☀️ and 🌙 took a lot of inspiration from Yo-kai watch. Rotom Dex= Whisper (both annoying ghosts that give info and have a black line between their eyes), Z-ring=Yo-kai watch, Z- crystal= Yo-kai medal, even PKM started dancing after.
Some of the Pals REALLY look similar to Pokémon, but as someone pointed out to me they come from the same yokai legendary creatures of Japan Pokémon used so it's inevitable. Really the closest thing directly ripped off is the pal sphere but that's hardly grounds to sue a game out of existence. There's no direct reference of Pokémon creatures/characters/setting.
the issue is its a PATENT lawsuit, no copyright issues at all involved in the lawsuit. And all of the patents in question are dated AFTER palworlds launch, this year. EDIT: also one of their previous games: Craftopia, has these mechanics from back in 2020 before Legends: Arceus even.
The relatively tiny amount Nintendo is suing Pocket Pair for is intentional. They want to make it more appealing to Pocket Pair in the hopes they settle. Because if they do settle, it can be seen as admission of guilt, which would set a precedent that allows them to continue doing this in the future for any potential competitors with the courts siding with them by default.
This is likely to backfire for Nintendo. Bandai has been watching them for decades now. Even if PocketPair settles, Bandai will pounce on Nintendo for the decades of Stolen IPs and Mechanics.
It just seems like Nintendo got tired of people not hating them enough So they are trying to cripple game development instead to see if people can hate them more then they do already.
@@Victor-056 Sorry don't see that happening seeing as Bandai and Nintendo are very good business partners. (they developed, Super Smash Bros. 4, Smash Bros Ultimate, New Pokemon Snap, Pokken Tournament)
@@Ninjastoned "Very good business Partners" translates in corporate terms to "waiting for the opportunity to stick a knife in the other person's back". And don't say otherwise. Nintendo is currently using Corporate skullduggery and Court-riding to try and trap Pocket Pair into an unwinnable situation. Considering how old Nintendo and Bandai are, it will not surprise me if their idea of "Good Business partners" just means "Teeth Clenched teamwork", and they are waiting for one or the other to make a mistake.
@@Goremize If Ninty commits seppuku or hara kiri, I think only the Nintoddlers'll cry. The rest of us'll instead say the company killed itself because its members were stupid and weak.
The pokemon company is butt hurt because the pokemon games are getting lamer and lamer. Me and my friends who watched and played since the start are getting tired of the stupid pokemons, the plots , and the cartoon good god who the heck is doing the art work, it looks like a art school drop out was doing it
Yeah, it's this reason why I couldn't watch the anime and movies like I used to with Gens 1 and 2. It's been the same SFW 3+ type of franchise for 20+ years now, forgetting about their mature audience in favor of families and children (even Michael Eisner felt the same way towards the Walt Disney Company back in the mid 1980s).
You forgot to mention that older patent to which they linked the new patent is old enough to use against palworld but their other game craftopia was using the same mechanics before nintendo applied for that older patent. It isnt even legal to patent well known and widely used things in japan but they did it anyway. This patent shouldn't even exist.
Patents must go or they're going to ruin game development in every country they have them. Crushing any would be developer under lawfare to the point only one thing could free their creativity again.
Two of the patents they're trying to sue for were filed two years after the same mechanics appeared in Craftopia, another game Pocket Pair made. They should never have been possible in the first place, and that's why this lawsuit is being looked at like a bunk scaretactic with a very low settlement. They want them to just accept the settlement and all of their conditions out of fear.
worst part is if after 20 year if you dont trademark or patent something it become free for the market. so nintendo isnt even aloud to patent anything because its bin over 20 years since the concepts have bin used(making them fair use anyways)
@Draconic_Incenerator they arent gonna pay any price There's a reason they're doing patents instead of copyright because they have no real case And these are super SUPER generic patents that they made after palworld Nintendo is scummy man and don't even try to shift it on palworld coz no they shouldn't need to pay a price since if Nintendo wins this industry is doomed
@@selc978 patents expire after 20 years, your window to patent something expires 1 year after you publish the "invention". but that's not relevant here because the patents contain a specific implementation, not a vague concept. concepts can't be patented, you have to detail a specific implementation of a concept and get only protection for that specific implementation.
Some simple investigation shows the parent patents are from 2021, Craftopia (PocketPair) released in 2020. Japanese patent law states prior art must be considered prior to allowing the patent. Whoever allowed the patent did not do enough for due-diligence, or knew and didn't care. This suit will fall flat on it's face, Nintendo knows this, they are hoping these patents get nuked into public domain so they cannot be counter sued. I think this, as all future Pokémon games will have this 3d ball tossing mechanic, all prior Pokémon games you use the ball from your inventory and the game animates the action, no tossing mechanic used.
So what you’re telling me is Nintendo is going to sue Fossil Fighters next for the first two patents that are the basis for many great games? This is just petty bullshit by Nintendo. Also Omni and the other Twitter people speaking mad facts fr. I’m not on Nintendo’s side for this. I was a huge pokemon fan before they stopped putting effort into their games in general not just pokemon. If Palworld loses this I’m never buying another Nintendo game. The competition between Palworld and Pokemon is a good thing to wake these bitches up. I also really don’t believe Nintendo has a ground to stand on. Many of the pals while probably originally based on some Pokemon aren’t remotely close to the originals they were originally based off of. I am really disappointed and disgusted with Pokemon, Nintendo, etc.
66k is more of a "hey might as well settle so we can justify destroying competition". They probably do not want this to go to court. They want to force a threat to make Palworld (and Sony behind them) to shut up. Which it doesnt take a genis to realise what a bad precedent that is.
In addition to shutting the game down, I imagine the cheap asking price is twofold: 1 They're saying "Take the money and run!" I think Nintendo is trying to goad PocketPair into trying to just run with the money. A sort of appeal to greed, if you will. I don't think it's a mercy because... 2 They want Pocket Pair to basically officiate their BS patents and set a precedent that PocketPair "stole" from them. Put those together and they can go "we found some OTHER nonsense-we-just-made-up that PocketPair, the GREEDY, THIEVING developer, stole from us in this game, now we want 500 million!" In addition to shutting everyone ELSE out of the creature collector genre because their patents are now "legitimized." I was interested in checking out ZA, trying Brothership, and maybe Echos of Wisdom and the like a go, but this has sold me on just not buying from Nintendo any time soon.
Yeah, I actually don't think that makes too much sense. They could have gone for much easier targets to "legitimize their patents" and if they get Palworld searched, then I doubt they could get them on anything that is not actually legit(Just like how this patent case is technically legit by the way japan operates, as far as anyone knows). They can't just say "look, they ripped us off!" and point towards something that has no relationship to what they own.
Welcome to the club. ^^ I haven't bought anything from nintendo since post-gamecube era. There's still games I would have _liked_ to play but honestly they don't deserve the money. They've been acting scummy forever.
@@lpfan4491 The "legitimization" of the patents happens when PocketPair loses or concedes. The low fine is a carrot on a stick. I wouldn't put it past any company trying to make an example of competition to lure them in with small fines and then wallop them with the newly set precedent. I think Nintendo either didn't or doesn't expect PocketPair to actually take it to court. -- As far as Japan operates, rich + old = "you must respect by default." Nintendo is also basically considered a (if not THE) crown jewel of Japan. The culture basically says "If Nintendo accuses, they're to be considered right until proven absolutely otherwise." If that sounds crazy, it's because it is. That's Japan, though. As a result, they CAN say "look they ripped us off!" The patents they're suing over are child patents that were filed AFTER Palworld released. Child patents are an insane concept that lets you redefine an older patent. The ONLY upside is that the child patents expire with the parent patent (TWENTY YEARS after it was filed). The MASSIVE, EASILY ABUSE-ABLE DOWNSIDE is the retroactive suing Nintendo is doing. They said, as Fleekaziod put it, "Uh, actually, what I meant by that previous patent was THAT RIGHT THERE; MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!" The question I'm asking isn't "Can PocketPair win the suit?" My question is "Is there a limit in Japanese courts on the 'You must blindly respect and bow to the old & rich.' mentality?" If then answer is "yes," THEN my question becomes "By how much?" If the courts are fair, PocketPair have more than a good shot, if not they're screwed. This is also ignoring the BS "bleed their bank accounts dry until they can't fight the lawsuit anymore" tactic. Nintendo wants a monopoly on creature collectors, if it gets expensive it's still worth it for them. -- I'll admit that I'm not the most well-versed in Japan's culture or patent law, but the above is basically what I've been hearing from people who at least claim to be. HOWEVER, even in the best case scenario, where Nintendo is in the right across the board, Nintendo doing this is a direct threat to gaming as a whole. If this is allowed, ANY company can make such claims against potential competition, legitimate or otherwise. Personally, I don't think it's even close to that scenario. I think my original assertion is on point.
@@TwistedChaos4428 Why does it have to be Pocketpair specifically? That is the implied question you fail to respond to. It can't even be about Sony(though they were most likely a strong motivator to go through with it in the end), because they most likely already readied this suit before Sony even got involved.
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MOSTLY BS.... Literally, "oh, you can't use that color, i patented it" Excuse me wft? In case you didn't get to the part of the video which exemplified this: 3:40 Look at that, do you think thee are normal? Why don't they patent-making games in general? As a concept So no one except the lazy big company wanting to do the least for the most now has no competition? Literally monopoly rights man...
Im gonna say if I can’t play palword anymore on PlayStation after waiting for years to get this game and having the best time of my life playing this game, I will not play another Pokémon game in my life and I hope you people will do the same. I will not buy another Pokémon game or Pokémon cards ever. fuck Nintendo if they do that shit.
@@erecto_patronumthey can't. They have so many legacy staff that only knows how to make turn based battles, and you can't force retire senior members in Japanese law. Game freak will need to be restructured if they want to compete. But since they have no competition, they can just churn out crappy titles and make passive income, a dream job considering Japan has pretty bad work culture.
"Sir, a new faction is growing. They will threaten our power in the future. We could legally get rid of them now. Should we?" Anyone with a logical working brain would say *YES*. I can't hate Nintendo for this move. All the haters would do the same thing. YOU BETTER.
@@jwn0be No not at all. People are assuming Nintendo will target other companies. Capturing monsters with balls is their thing. That belongs to Nintendo. Palworld could do like the cartoon 'Chaotic' and scan the monsters with a phone, then become the monster.
I saw a guy do a video on it. Digimon is not big. Heck even PalWorld is not a threat to Nintendo, but when PalWorld teamed up with Sony, now they got a problem. Sony has the resources to make PalWorld big. I've seen the booths at cons. They own Aniplex and can make animes and toys for PalWorld. Nintendo sees that as a threat and is trying to kill Sony's golden child before it grows.
I may have seen that same video, but I can't find it anymore or recall the name of that video or channel. But yeah, Sony's involvement is the real reason why all of this is happening.
Wrong, @@gamerbeast3616. Pocket Pair was actually approached by Nintendo to look at Palworld and their designs. They found _ZERO_ connections to Pokemon, and Okay'd the game for launch. When Shills like YOU screeched like Monkes about it, Nintendo, in _FEBUARY_ of 2024, flat out told you to "Knock it off", because they found no copyright violations. That means everything you say, is a complete Farce.
gamerbeast3616 Look at the monster designs in the old dragon quest games, Nintendo “stole” most of them for pokemon, and that’s not the only thing they took from other devs, but that’s fine, new iterations of existing concepts and mechanics is how the gaming industry has evolved… which is why it’s crazy how Nintendo is now patenting everything they can (including very basic gameplay mechanis already used in hundreds of games) and using that as a weapon to squash potential threats, no gamer should want Nintendo to win this.
Palworld should then abandon throwing object to catch pals and focus on another catching mechanics that exist in paleorld. Launching. When youre further in the game you unlock a palsphere launcher, which is basically a missile launcher that shoots pal spheres at greater speed and length. Make this a primary carching mechanic and Nintendo would not be able to touch pocket pair anymore because launching and throwing are two different things and therefore sont infringe on there patent copyright
i think launchers are still covered in the patent due to them being effectively an aid in throwing. but using melee attacks(think aloy's hacking spear in horizon zero dawn), or traps that are deployed nearby a pal(think ghostbusters) would likely bypass the patent.
Very good coverage of the news surrounding this. (Maybe check your audio. It sounds like you used an automatic audio equalizer and it’s making your voice very quiet during transitions) keep up the good vids 👍🏻
@@mitchellhancock7920 A copy cat primarily with designs, let's be honest, palworld took heavy, heavy design influence from pokemon. Nintendo should rightfully rake them over the coals.
As much as I despise the big N these days (I haven't bought a Nintendo console since my GameCubes... plural. Thanks, optical media), there's no denying that Palworld was little more than a cash grab catering to the lowest common denominator of dissatisfied Pokémon fans. AI generated or not, most of the hype around Palworld seems to be from the controversy; at least that's all the conversation I've heard about it. If it was actually a fun game, don't you think people would actually talk about the gameplay, instead of the game only in the context of how it relates to Pokémon? To me, Palworld was nothing more than, "Oh, you like Pokémon? Well how about this?", in much the same way Nintendo was like, "Oh, you like Minecraft? How about BotW and TotK?" I don't believe Nintendo is in the legal right (that doesn't mean I think they'll lose), but these kinds of controversies tend to dominate the conversation, and aren't helping the gaming community.
I'm gonna be real for just a quick second if Nintendo wins that means Digimon, Ark, Palworld, ETC their all just dead and we lost 3 HUGE icons that made quite a big deal in the gaming world not to mention NINTENDO, DIGIMON STILL EXSIST!!! WHY TARGET PALWORLD WHEN DIGIMON ALSO HAS SOME OF THOSE SAME MECHANICS?!? also, their reasoning for attacking is for game functionality, BRUH that's just a weak punch my guy because if you do win with that, then nobody is ever going to trust you
I saw a guy do a video on it. Digimon is not big. Heck even PalWorld is not a threat to Nintendo, but when PalWorld teamed up with Sony, now they got a problem. Sony has the resources to make PalWorld big. I've seen the booths at cons. They own Aniplex and can make animes and toys for PalWorld. Nintendo sees that as a threat and is trying to kill Sony's golden child before it grows.
They are also sueing over the patent for fall damage its much more then just games with capture mechanics. Think of all the games with mounts and fall damage, lol. Nintendo the frick
Ark will very likely not be taken down. It's different from pokemon, which is the IP they're trying to protect. If it is taken down, there will be even more outrage than for palword since the game is hardly similar.
I agree with this! Even if other monster franchises are on Nintendo consoles, Pokèmon would still bully them in existence. No monster franchise will be safe if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit.
They knew Game Freak couldn't make a game as good, so rather than lose money on their cash cow, they tried to scare them with the court case, since that worked for other studios. They did not expect them to call their bluff and fight them in court. Now Nintendo has to see this through.
Palworld showed the world the actual numbers that Pokemon should have. New Pokemon games are not selling well at all, but the raw sales numbers don't show that. They have at least tripled the amount of fans they had in the 90s but the sales don't reflect that. It gets eviden't when games like Pokemon GO and Palworld released.
If Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, we would never see Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Palworld, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, TemTem, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises again because our only option would be Pokèmon.
Truth is, Nintendo & Gamefreak are actually scared, is all. Any big IP Owner will protect their own IP Products/Branding/Whatever if it even means killing the opposing product/company as well.
I am on palworld's side, they don't deserve any of this crap, they didn't copy anything from Pokémon, they used their own, original creatures and own, original spheres. I mean sure, ones could say it has similar mechanics to legends arceus, but I mean there's no proof that it was straight copied, because they could've been working on that game far before legends arceus dropped. I believe Nintendo is just being the greedy ahh company that they are, wanting to sue just to get extra money that they don't really need, being jealous that another company is just more successful than they are. I think this is all a dick move by Nintendo, they better not win because if they do I'm not buying any more Pokémon games.
For the patents, as info: The patents were registered 2 months after Palworld got introduced officially. So unofficially Palworld was earlier introduced, and I think Nintendo noticed this too. It's still scummy of Nintendo.
The small amount of fine meant that they want Pocketpair to pay the fine and loose the case. The game stop. Pocketpair already got the money from selling the game. Nintendo got rid of a competitor, win win.
The Pokémon franchise has implemented gameplay elements like land, air, and water mounts, and monster capture mechanics, which are also found in other series such as *Final Fantasy*, *Kingdom Hearts*, *Dragon Quest Monsters*, and *Monster Rancher*. These features are not unique to Pokémon, yet criticism of newer games like *Palworld* suggests selective targeting. *Palworld* poses a genuine competitive threat, challenging industry norms by emphasizing quality over incomplete releases. This disrupts the publisher's complacency, rooted in legacy pride, and underscores the consumer demand for higher standards and innovation in gaming.
People also need to address that technically if they win this; they aren't going to quit. They will try to take on any future game created with aspects of their IPs which mind you have also a ton of mechanics borrowed from other games out there. Pokemon is oddly similar to Dragon Quest, not just in mechanics but also in designs. And what next are they going to see religious iconography too. Because a ton of these creatures exist in folklore all over the world.
Nintendo will set a dark precedent if they win this lawsuit. Want to catch creatures as part of your game? Nope, cant do it. God forbid if Monster Hunter gets sued next because you can capture Monsters in some games.
No they won’t, the rest of the industry will be completely find as long as they don’t partner with Sony for A merch deal, and have creates that are Frankenstein version of Pokémon
@@Lunapink93The _REAL_ reason Nintendo set up this lawsuit had _nothing_ to do with Sony. They set up their original bogus patent in _Dcember_ of 2021. Palworld had initially released in _JUNE_ of 2021, and was only taken down because Pocket Pair wanted to change the Game Engine to Unreal Engine 5. This means that according to the arbitary Laws Nintendo only follows when they _Want_ to bully people and smaller companies, they cannot hit Pocket Pair because Pocket Pair made it first.
Yeah nah This is a Utter Dick move against Palworld not only is it just basically Nintendo and The Pokemon Comp fucking over a small indie company and their Game For *checks Notes* "Giving Pokemon healthy Competition" And apparently Sharing similar Elements Which not only is that utter BS But to effectively force Palworld to die off hell no! This is pure just Boderline Disgusting to pull While I'll probably still use switch Online just to enjoy gaming Yeah I'm like that one Twitter user and never touching Pokemon as long as I live if they think they can pull this shit And genuinely hope Palworld wins this
Honestly if you really want to send a message, stop using switch online entirely. Let your current subscription run out, don't resubscribe and if you REALLY want to make a statement, do not support the Switch successor, at all. Make it flop harder than the Wii U.
Small Indie Company? Supported by Sony and you still call them a small indie company? Also, healthy competition? You know what I'll return to my original thought on this case, I hope Palworld wins so that what they did will become the norm and in 5 years we'll have nothing but mixes of different popular games with random survival elements Can't wait for The Legend of BattleRoyale, Call Of Dark Souls and LeagueOfTerraria Also please, stop supporting Nintendo like the other dude said under this comment. Nintendo is the ONLY big bad company right? The only company that is consistently bad with game releases and that fucks with their consumers right?
@@kingt1954 I mean Pocket Pair IS a small indie company, they partnered with Sony SOLELY to sell merchandise that's it. They are still a small indie company.
Better stick to your guns then, better not see you buy or participate in anything pokemon related. Side note: its the biggest IP ever(by a massive margin too - the closest next is mickey and friends). I'm sure they'll miss the small amount of defectors from the franchise.
The funniest part of this patent lawsuit is that most of the patents made by Pokémon were only made AFTER palworld was released and are NOT unique in any sense of the way. Riding mounts is an issue in multiple games and throwing a ball to engage combat or any action would be an issue in dragon quest and MANY another games. So overall in the technicality of this lawsuit, if pocket pair collects the proper evidence this lawsuit can be completely nullified through providing evidence that their patents are completely bogus “unique features” to only their games.
you missed the part of the video explaining that the patents have a 2021 parent patent. they updated some non-binding expanations and comentary, this gave the patents a new number but retained the start and end dated from the original patent.
4:58 the problem with the parent patent thing is the parent was for Legends of Arceus which was in 2021. The mechanics used in Palworld were brought over from their earlier game Craftopia which released in 2020. A year before the parent patent which should, by patent law, mean that it is unable to be patented. I really hope Palworld does not settle and wins. This would set a precedence what would destroy indie games and severely limit what games could ever be made in the future, Oh you have a cool game idea, well mechanics for shadows is patented so you can't have that, cars are patented so no to that. oh you want it to be similar to minecraft... patented. Uses a gun? patented.. You will get nothing new, just same regurgitated crap from the same studios.
Also Nintendo's patents in this particular instance are vague and stupid. They are basically claiming that they own the rights to 3rd person adventure RPGs in general regardless of whether they are creature catchers or not. If Microsoft or Blizzard wanted to, they could literally tell Nintendo to get rid of those patents and they'd have to capitulate.
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I haven't played Palword because I didn't care about it, but if Nintendo is trying to kill off all other monster games, then I will support Palword. I am tired of greedy old people.
No, every other one has his UNIQUE mechanics, like trapping with a card, recruit them or even hatching them.
Palworld is just straight Pokémon but with weapons, all other games are sorprisely safe, even more beacause most of them are "friends" with nintendo, like capcom, bandai-namco, atlus, etc.
Even indie games doesn't seems to have much problems by they own
@@martodilaya pocket pair made a blatent botw knockoff, didn't finish it, made palworld and made all the same promises. Plus they would've allowed pvp to allow you to "catch" over players pals.
@@martodila Even the "Pokemon with weapons" thingy is just Digimon, who did the concept WAYYY BETTER anyways
@@ironmaster6496 so this aint pokemon, thanks
SHUT DOWN NINTENDO
Then bandai(digimon) should sue pokemon for the mega evolution mechanic
i love this coment way to much, great point dude!
That... is actually brilliant.
You could also argue that Atlus should sue Nintendo then because Shin Megami Tensei was the first monster catching game.
lol if it’s like that,thn dragon quest can sue to Pokémon for turn base fight battle system.😂
Sadly, if Nintendo wants to, they can patent Mega evolution and sue digimon
And probably win.
This isn't about 'protecting their IPs' it's about destroying competition.
Exactly, and it's fucking disgusting.
Nintendo and other large corporate giants seriously need to be brought to light about their nasty ways they deal with competition.
That's what gaming was always about was supposed to be healthy competition, even when it came to making games. The moment you made an amazing game, boom you were the next big talk and encouraged others to do better.
IF NINTENDO GETS AWAY WITH THIS WITH PALWORLD IT WILL SEND AN AWFUL MESSAGE TO OTHER GAME DEVS SAYING THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE IN ORDER TO GET RID OF COMPETITION. It's sick and disgusting Nintendo, stop ruining what little of a good reputation you had left and retain some ethical value please.
..and their war with Sony continues..
@@vladabond1904 Actually this is a Nintendo vs Sony battle, the victim of the dispute/grudge is palworld
They want a monopoly so they can be lazy again
@@anonymousd5582 Nintendo bit off more than they could chew because they are also suing for seamless mount transition which a majority of games uses.
So Pokémon is free to copy other games but Palworld is a issue? 🙁
cuz as far as im aware palworld was also using their own meshes on their pals and passing them off as "original designs" even though it was BLARINGLY obvious they weren't
@@pftheswaglord if you are reffering to the twitter post shorty after release, the guy that made those admited he faked them.
@lukeskywalker5392 really??? had no clue. it still looks like they frankensteined part of other pokemon's designs for the pals though so i kind of understand why it made gamefreak go after them (alongside a button of other reasons). some of the comparisons are ridiculous
@pftheswaglord I think very few border on being kind of rip offs. The others feel inspired by certain pokemon which isn't really bad since many pokemon are inspired off real world things, plus palworld has plenty of original designs as well.
But them trying to patent a mechanic that pocket pair did before them in their first game is absurd.
@@lukeskywalker5392 He did not admit to faking anything
That was a fabricated tweet lol.
to simplify. Nintendo/Pokemon doesn't really give a sh!te about palworlds existence, their true target is Sony who is nintendo's biggest enemy. when palworld made a partnership with sony for being on the playstation consoles, nintendo saw that as sony threatening them. after the partnership with sony, palword gained an immense amount of traction and sony plans to double down on becoming the competition to pokemon. palworld is in a very grey area due to international copyright law between usa and japan, but a couple of the patents nintendo is trying to use, were filed after palworld's creation and the rest of them target the entire capture-mon genre(which last i check with videogame law, that doesn't hold up because you can't use mechanics as a reason to sue. if companies could, videogames wouldn't survive)...if nintendo loses this court case, sony could buy those patents or get them as compensation. the real fight here is sony vs nintendo, but this is a very complicated court case that many lawyers do not see nintendo winning
Why is Nintendo so scared of competition. Make their pokemon games better than people will buy the games. 😂😂
They better bloody not get control over those patents if that's the case; as much as Nintendo's being pieces of shit over this, I trust them with this more than the company that isn't afraid to sell your data because you refuse to play on their console.
@@ryuno2097 Nintendo is old money. Old money doesn't put in effort, they expect that their success will never end.
I laugh because it's like how CoD is scared of any blossoming projects coming their way or any CoD clone... Competition breeds a better product, not stagnation.
@@ryuno2097Nintendo isnt making pokemon, Gamefreak creates them. Nintendo dont have power to control Gamefreak unfortunately since they are independent studio. Only thing that connects Pokemon and Nintendo is exclusivity and 33% at The Pokemon Company
Considering sun and moon exists where they have their own version of shadow the hedgehog and the entire game and the anime is based off of Yokai watch which itself is more based off of Pokémon than an actual rip off I don’t think they have a chance if the judge bringing that up in court. How fitting would it be if even if they won, the judge decided that to pay for their crimes of copying, they were forced to sell off all the human models from the Sun moon and the ultra games to level five. Would it happen? probably not. If this was to happen with a lose access to several popular Pokémon characters like red and blue. yes they appear in the battle tree. would it be karma at its finest? absolutely. needless to say, im on palworlds side.
what it really was that pokemon had a game like palworld in the works, but wanted to milk 30 more remakes before we even get to see it. now that palworld came out and beat them to it, they got mad and wanna sue them and shut them down, so they can continue not giving us what we want for another 20 years...
Land, air, and water mounting system they'd have to compete against Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest...there's so many games where Pokemon should be sued for using land,air, and water mounting systems. Monster capture has been around since Dragon Quest Monsters, and the mechanic of using objects to capture was used in Monster Rancher and several other games. The reason why the target is on Pocket Pair's back is because Palworld actually threatens competition and challenges the publisher's pride, showing them that it's not ok to leave a half finished product and showing them that quality is still preferred over quality. It's a matter of an overabundance of pride, something that will hurt consumers more than anything, but with the legacy of the company, would have been understandable and well placed if their work ethic matched what it did when they established their place in the industry.
What's Next?? Nintendo is going to go after movie companies for using the same feature/ride thing in certain fantasy/science fiction films simply due to video game patents also affecting television shows and movies featuring those inventions in entertainment??? Can't wait for many films prior to pokemon being under scrutiny because it features a human riding a creature to get to and from certain destinations.
The Pokemon Company is scared they finally have competition.
Doubtful, same thing was said about Temtem.
@@Mage-mc7mz The difference is unlike Pal World, Temtem wasn't successful.
@@Mage-mc7mz L
@@Mage-mc7mz Temtem didn't even reached Japan at all, it didn't exist to begin with for Nintendo.
nah i dont think so
nintendo wasnt only
rely on one card anyways
they have bunch of
famous titles like
mario and zelda
When Nintendo says "investigate", being a video game company whose job is to make video games and not investigate, do they mean like they time they gangstalked that guy who made some emulator?
It is moral to pirate EVERYTHING nintendo does. Not legal, but moral.
fax
No it isn't. You ruin artists careers by limiting support for something you enjoy.
@@commenteroftruth9790 No career would be ruined. They worked for nintendo, that is good on their resume. They can then go to a company that's NOT a pile of trash who should die off and have their IPs sold.
@@commenteroftruth9790 Yikes. Hey when you formulate opinions get Nintendo's dong out of your brain when you do it. That was disgusting. Nintendo doesn't have anyone talented or worth employing. If they were talented they could get jobs any number of places elsewhere. Their employees are just as disposable as their customers.
I do not want the mon genre to be killed off, because Nintendo believes they are only ones to make it. I am already making a tribute to it as a causal fan myself.
i find it sad how they'll allow Mario clones on the Switch yet when a company attempts to do a Pokemon like game that gives them competition THAT'S where Nintendo draws the line
From my (extremely basic) understanding, patents exist as to force variety and innovation in the gaming industry so in a perfect version of this case, a human should be able to see that Nintendo's goal is to stop any competition from being able to create any game at all similar to Pokemon as to stop themselves from having to innovate, the complete opposite of what a patent should be used for, so said human should side with Palworld on this lawsuit. of course I don't know anything about law so I couldn't tell you what will happen just what I hope would happen.
It’s actually not only illegal to institute a monopoly in the U.S, but also in Japan so they ain’t gettin shit
Business and entertainment is a very strange combo. Businesses play king of the hill while entertainment unites to dig a hole without anyone talking just for the vibes
Pokémon Company does not want to innovate some TH-camr says “It is easy to be the best there ever was when there is no competition” so with no competition they do not have to work harder to innovate just keep pumping out mostly the same game over and over again
Ironic that the first lyrics for the opening theme of their first series are "I wanna be the very best! Like no one ever was!" More like they wanna be the best by making it so no one else is around to challenge them........
They will fail. we know what they will use as patents:
Battleing creatures
Mounting Creatures
Catching creatures
here's the thing: they are all updates to a parent patent filed in 2021. But those game mechanics were uses and even invented by pocketpair in their 2020 game; Craftopia.
And Japan has laws against corruption, especially in court and business. So Palworld is in the clear.
Nintendo is defended by Japan, as it's one of their major crowned jewels.
Nintendo is winning this. And honestly, deserved
@@eegernades Not to mention Japanese media's bias towards Nintendo
Not true, they have the WEST to support. them regardless if they win, palworld has marked its history and this law suit just made them even bigger.
@@DzazterTV a loft of the west supports nintendo in this.
No patent troll deserves victory @@eegernades
Although I like Pokèmon, I'm really sad to see Pokèmon have become.
I am really sad with Pokèmon's action on bullying various monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, TemTem, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises for Pokèmon to stay dominant in the monster taming genre as well as monopolizing the monster taming genre.
I'm glad that Digimon and other monster franchises are supporting Palworld to ensure the safety of their right of existence as well as protecting the future of the monster taming genre.
It's time for Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Hunter, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Moshi Monsters and other monster franchises to have their turn on the spotlight.
I understand that protecting IP's is a good thing, but bullying competition is completely unacceptable.
Pokèmon needs to have some friendly competition because Pokèmon doesn't own the word "monster".
I really hope that Pokèmon lose the lawsuit or settle the lawsuit because if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, we would have to say goodbye to various monster franchises including Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises especially potential new monster franchises. No monster franchise will be safe from Pokèmon's reign of terror if Pokémon wins the lawsuit.
Why would we have to say goodbye to monster hunter? The games operate very differently. Same with Yugioh and various other titles named here. I think a lot of the reason in addition to what was stated above is that the designs from palworld can be a bit too close to those from pokemon. Like some of the Pals look like they could be direct evolutions of existing mons. I don't like what pokemon is doing at ALL but I would be lying if I didn't see someone of the early pals and wonder if there was a pokemon spin off game I hadn't heard of.
@@FrostyTheSwolemanfax
bullying what? it's literally the Palworld fnadom that constantly attacks pokemon, there are tons of animations about it and every single palworld fanboys cannot make a single sentence without mentioning pokemon.
What is this comment. When did Pokemon go after any of those other franchises? Yu-Gi-Oh isn't even remotely in the same genre and is a powerhouse in the world of TCGs. Who even remembers Chaotic? What the heck is Moshi Monsters?
Monster hunter?
Sueing for using an emulator?!
Well im sorry, nintendo, my Gameboy is broken, and i wanna play pokemon Emerald on my lunchbreaks!
Yea. I love my Pokemon on lunch breaks
Nahhhhhhh, frick people being on Nintendo side. Palworld needs to win this. Pokemon didn't even go at temtem or any monster catching game.
Cuz Pocketpair made an agreement with sony with a potential multimedia franchise, Nintendo wants to nip it in the bud before it gets too big.
@@napsterking So, what im hearing is that your on palword's side?
@@napsterking And lets also face it, Nintendo has some unresolved beef with Sony...
Saying this as a Pokemon fan: some of this community is insufferable.
@napsterking The lawsuit began before a deal with Sony was made. Microsoft can be considered at fault, too, as they allowed the game to be previewed on Xbox.
Everytime or every attempt Nintendo tried to bring Palworld down, the former's faults or flaws uncovered one by one due to itself act.
They want a small settlement so they can set the precedent
No other Indie game studio will be able to use Mounts, any form of capture mechanic or fall damage ever again. This will cripple game development.
Wait actually, fall damage? That is like in every single game ever
Nope, its because they signed a deal with Sony. Now Nintendo is out for blood.
Depends, does kurotendo have patents in any country other than japan that can cripple creative freedom of developers across the world? If yes, then there's only one thing to do
Its because of sony
@@Prince_Smugarina
they might have to sue WoW and Guildwars 2 as well for Water, Land and Flying mounts 😂
Y'know, if Nintendo and The Pokemon Company was smart, they'd buy Palworld and allow them to help make better games. Instead they want to burn them down because this smaller company is selling more copies than them. The best way to describe this entire scenario is one word--INSANITY!
Why pay lots of money to buy a studio and improve your designs, when gasoline and dynamite are much cheaper. "Its not about the money. Its about sending a message"
These patents were made in bad faith. If this was the UK, Nintendo would be raked across the coals
Same in the US tbh, in america those patents would be too vague
Raked through the coals until there was nothing left to rake........
I wonder if Nintendo would have gone this route if the Pals were different enough from the Pokes? I mean Digimon, Nexomon, Monster Rancher and many more "Pokemon likes" exist - some with the gameplay and story structure even more closely resembling a traditional pokemon game than Palworld. But they never went after those? One can argue that Palworld is making money but so did Digimon and Monster Rancher back in their days?
Oh Also - I agree 100% that Nintendo and Gamefreak need the competition. Palworld is necessary - and Im glad it came out.
I work as a 3D rigger for Games and 3D Animation. Part of my job entails looking closely at model asset topology (how they are constructed) so I can rig them for animators. I've had a look at the several models side by side. They obviously are no longer 1:1 copies with simple texture or color swaps - but holy hell is it so easy to take an existing model, spend 20 mins - a few hours to tweak the geometry/topology into a different shape - slap a different texture onto it and wham "original new character", no copy rights broken.
What I don't support is blatant asset ripping off. Unfortunately unless you have experience/training in building 3D models - a normal person wouldn't understand how a models Topology plays into all this. Anyone can make a box, a sphere or a cylinder. Anyone can make a 3D model of an eel or a dog - HOWEVER. even two objects of the same shape and size are always likely to have different topologies. Topology referes to the amount of vertices (points), edges and edge loops (lines) and their placement on a 3D model. for simple shapes - like say a box with no general subdivision - 2 modellers can obviously model a box from scratch and come up with the exact same topologies by coincidence because a simple cube will always have 12 edges, 6 sides, and 8 vertices. But a complex model like a horse, or a human - two different 3D artists, modeling a complex shape from the ground up - and having their topologies match by above 80 % is ludicrous. It's like being able to randomly guess the exact combination on a 12 number lock. Palworld models - differ in shape and look enough for them to circumvent copy right restrictions legally. But having multiple models, each individually be an 80% topological match is a major red flag.
That said - do I think Nintendo is doing the right thing here? No - going after them via patent is obviously just legal manoeuvring around the fact that they cant get them on Copy Right infringement. Do I believe Palworld needs to get sued. Yes - but not in the manner that Nintendo is doing it. Do I believe Palworld needs to get shut down - NO, them being around is good for competition and frankly what the industry needs.
Its plain and simple. Nintendo posted that early remark cause everyone wouldn't leave them the hell alone. It put Palworld on their radar, but Palworld filled a unique niche they couldn't/wouldn't fill, so they planned on ignoring it. It wasn't going to truly compete with Pokemon, and many people would surely abandon it, being that it was and still is, in reality an incomplete game. There was also nothing that could be latched onto, thus they risked the biscuit and went with the last resort lawsuit, the Patent Infringement Lawsuit.
So What changed, that Nintendo is out for blood?
Pocketpair signed a deal with Sony and Aniplex
If anyone knows anything, its that Sony and Nintendo loathe each other, and Nintendo is the king of pettiness, and seeing this happening, nah, gloves come off.
There may be actually no patent infringement that Nintendo can sue for, but they will take this risk if it means the further downfall of it's competitor.
As much as I'm a long serving Nintendo/Pokémon fan, but this is really getting out of hand, i will NOT Tolerate Nintendo's disgusting bullying tactics on small indie gaming companies like Pocketpair and Palworld and I admit that I enjoyed playing Palworld on my PS5 and I truly respect pocketpair for what they've delivered was a amazing refreshing game for what Nintendo, the Pokémon company and game freak failed to do. They need to focus on making Pokémon games better and it's good to face competition.
Oh, right. They forced WayForward to do as they're told and keep creative freedom to a minimum. Supposedly, all the female COs were supposed to be closer to the female designs seen in Shantae, but Nintendo immediately shot down the idea.
It's also why I don't trust Nintendo enough to buy out Playtonic Games.
Pocketpair is not a small indie studio, they are with Sony now, they got massive investments.
@@lieutenantpepper2734 they aren't just with Sony Xbox and Steam as well but they are still a small studio team
@ No. Got check the new investors. Aniplex and Sony music Japan. They are part of Sony now.
@@ATAndreiThomas
even though you still
didnt have full picture here?
what about the fact that
palworld's directer has
been very disrespectful
towards nintendo lately?
All i know is this: TPC better not kill ALL of these Pokemon fangames out here or its gonna be Hell to pay! But the reality is so many simp Fanboys out there will still buy Pokémon games and make them millions, no matter how lackluster it is. Thats the evil genius of Nintendo/Gamefreak and the simple mindedness of People! Hell, 10s of millions proved that last week 🙄
Saw one talking about this, that even Japan's patent law says you can't patent something if there's already a prior art. And even though the original patent does precede Palworld by 2 years, it does not precede PocketPair's other game of Craftopia, which uses the exact same mechanic and that one came out 2 years before Nintendo's patent. Not to mention I imagine World of Warcraft would like to have something to say about the mechanics Nintendo is claiming no one else can use. In which case, can you imagine Nintendo's reaction if not only does Sony act on behalf of their partnership agreement but also Microsoft on behalf of Activision Blizzard for WoW using all three of those mechanics and doing it first?
How did they get the patent then? It's like how seemingly no one can agree on if Crunchyroll did a crime or if it was legal because there are at least three diffrent stances going around the net.
@@lpfan4491they got it because they created something that didn't exist
@@lpfan4491 Um, they filed for it? Courts are not this all-knowing benevolent entity. They're people just like everyone else and I highly doubt that a patent clerk, even a japanese one, would be the person that would be all that versed into every aspect of every video game. The most they probably did was do a quick internal search to see if that mechanic was already patented, saw it hadn't been, then just assumed that the ones filing the patent had done their own due diligence and slapped down their stamp of approval.
This is done all the time and not just by Nintendo. It's only if it gets challenged and brought up to a judge for adjudication that it's determined whether or not the patent is valid or either too overbroad or not something that can be patented in this situation. And then that only happens if the person being sued over it has the money necessary to fight the legal battle. Because if you have a ton of money to spare and you're able to effectively bankrupt your competition through legal fees, then even if you lose the lawsuit, you still win in the end since Japan doesn't award legal fees.
@@bluedragonjetyt Straight up incorrect in this case.
@@lpfan4491 It's true. This isn't the first Pokémon game patent
Pokémon SV let's go feature is patent
Pokémon XY passerby is patent
Let's go pikachu and eevee gameplay is patent
Pokémon unite field and button layout is patent
Pokémon snap mechanic is patent
And in the Japanese document it referenced Monster hunter and Ark
Greed is ruining lives and makes every big company think they're poor and tries to steal money like thieves
You can call Palworld being a pokemon rip off all you want, but suing them while ignoring the other pokemon rip offs really shows that they see Palworld as a threat, especially when they clearly couldn't sue over the monsters design(which hilariously is what most people who side with Nintendo think its the reason), so Nintendo went after pocket pair with gameplay patents that other games was already using.
Also whats more hilarious is that Craftopia another game made by pocket pair is clearly a Zelda botw rip off was already using these same capture monster mechanic(but Nintendo completely ignores it ).
It may still be the reason is the thing. One of the bigger theories is that they just want an entry point to get Palworld searched for more issues and patents are the only thing they are confident they could win without bigger trouble.
Said Patents having been filed AFTER Palworld's release... let that sink in.
There are knockoffs even on eshop 😂😂
Craftopia wasn't successful enough. c.c But, more-so Nintendo is getting involved because Sony got involved with Palworld....
History-Wise: Nintendo & Sony have been at "War' with each-other since the early 1990s when Nintendo & Sony teamed up to make a new peripheral for the SNES, a CD drive! The day after Sony announced it, Nintendo changed plans and changed to partnering with Phillips, announcing it to the world! Nintendo pulled out of this deal too... which lead to the Philips CD-i, and the peripheral that Sony was working on evolved in to the Playstation 1. Sony came to PocketPair and started backing them, wanting something to rival with Nintendo's 'Crown Jewel', some think that this is unjustified, but Sony's still pissed all the way back to the corporate betrayal of 1991... Japanese Corpos do not forget, and rarely forgive... Sony wants Palworld games, TV series, Merch... heck, if you look online you can see conventions with plush suits and the like... So, Sony stabbed back at Nintendo for Nintendo being jerks, and now Nintendo is going hard in the paint to shut Sony down.
palworld isn't the threat. its sony. this video is trash. watch the lawyer explains video... gives u a deep understanding of whats being played out here
Nintendo can rot right alongside its tired and dated franchise. They update the visuals, and throw in a one-generation sparkly new mechanic, but at the end of the day, every pokemon game is basically the same as the last.
This lawsuit should be even more embarrassing for them, since Palworld isn't even in the same genre of games. Its not a turn-based RPG. Its not 'pokemon with guns'. Its a survival game, that has monsters you can capture and use.
And pokemon didn't even invent the concept of having a fighting monster in an object. I don't remember the series name, but a 1970s era live-action show in Japan had a character with kaiju released from objects he carried, to fight the monster of the day. So that patent alone should be thrown out as a stolen idea.
And flying mounts in video games date back at least to the 1980s arcade game, Joust.
They update the visuals? Scarlet and Violet looks worse than X and Y... and that generation was on an older platform. They've gotten lackluster and lazy, so much so that they don't even wanna let anyone use all of the Pokemon roster since Sw&Sh
That would be one of the Ultra man games
@@rosebrigade true
@@terakhanthis Also, irl their are traditions & big bank takes little bank. Lastly, meaning Pokémon is worth more than PalWorld bcuz Pokémon is way more than just a game.
The problem seems to be entirely about Japanese Law
If they tried to patent sue anywhere else in the world, they would be laughed at.
But Japan seems to allow this.
aside from nintendo doing nintendo things, its the pokemon stans that really killed this man. i have no idea why they don't like palworld and why they wanted to white knight this. i like pokemon and i like palworld. both are good.
we need to pirate palworld if they lose. just in case
I’m with you brother
How would anyone even do that?
We have to do this already as a backup. Since you dont own games on steam.
I agree with this. If Pokémon wins the lawsuit, we would have to say goodbye to Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Moshi Monsters, Monster Sanctuary, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, or other monster franchises especially potential new monster franchises.
@@cliffordkun2844 Literally not how japanese law works. Your confusing it with Us patent law stare decisis does not exist in japanese formal law.
if nintendo WINS they have NO right to seek to shut down those other games.
They only have that right if they LOSE.
I saw a video like this recently, and apparently, it's a counter to playstation company, i forget the name, getting palworld as a game for the playstation. It's not about being a pokemon clone but more of stopping a rival big game company from getting a game like pokemon that possibly could have sequels. Gonna look through watch history to find the content creator that mentioned this. (Edit: It's the channel named moon channel.)
Sony, you mean. And yeah, this is actually a proxy battle between Nintendo and their longtime nemesis.
Imagine FromSoft suing othet companies for making a Souls clone. Only Nintendo could be so petty to stop competition and being the monopoly in the genre.
Don't forget it also includes "ANIPLEX" meaning Palworld Anime. Nintendo is out for blood because Pocketpair signed a deal with the devil and their mortal enemy.
Nintendo is so scummy, I really hope they lose, imagine using lawfare because you’re too incompetent to actually make a better game.
video is called its a palword nintendo vs palword.
PKM ☀️ and 🌙 took a lot of inspiration from Yo-kai watch. Rotom Dex= Whisper (both annoying ghosts that give info and have a black line between their eyes), Z-ring=Yo-kai watch, Z- crystal= Yo-kai medal, even PKM started dancing after.
Pokemon didn't kill shit, nor did Nintendo.
But rather itself
What drugs are the people at pokemon smoking/injecting?
For the purpose of letting people know so we can avoid it.
Heroin. Makes you lazy and deluded but the upkeep costs a fortune.
Pikachu use law suit (pikachu proceeds to shuffle papers)
Some of the Pals REALLY look similar to Pokémon, but as someone pointed out to me they come from the same yokai legendary creatures of Japan Pokémon used so it's inevitable. Really the closest thing directly ripped off is the pal sphere but that's hardly grounds to sue a game out of existence. There's no direct reference of Pokémon creatures/characters/setting.
the issue is its a PATENT lawsuit, no copyright issues at all involved in the lawsuit. And all of the patents in question are dated AFTER palworlds launch, this year. EDIT: also one of their previous games: Craftopia, has these mechanics from back in 2020 before Legends: Arceus even.
This is a patent lawsuit over three patents.
Fall damage
Mounts/flying mounts
And the capture mechanic
@@Goremize fall damage is part of the mounts patent.
The relatively tiny amount Nintendo is suing Pocket Pair for is intentional. They want to make it more appealing to Pocket Pair in the hopes they settle.
Because if they do settle, it can be seen as admission of guilt, which would set a precedent that allows them to continue doing this in the future for any potential competitors with the courts siding with them by default.
This is likely to backfire for Nintendo.
Bandai has been watching them for decades now.
Even if PocketPair settles, Bandai will pounce on Nintendo for the decades of Stolen IPs and Mechanics.
It just seems like Nintendo got tired of people not hating them enough
So they are trying to cripple game development instead to see if people can hate them more then they do already.
@@Victor-056 Sorry don't see that happening seeing as Bandai and Nintendo are very good business partners. (they developed, Super Smash Bros. 4, Smash Bros Ultimate, New Pokemon Snap, Pokken Tournament)
@@Ninjastoned "Very good business Partners" translates in corporate terms to "waiting for the opportunity to stick a knife in the other person's back".
And don't say otherwise. Nintendo is currently using Corporate skullduggery and Court-riding to try and trap Pocket Pair into an unwinnable situation.
Considering how old Nintendo and Bandai are, it will not surprise me if their idea of "Good Business partners" just means "Teeth Clenched teamwork", and they are waiting for one or the other to make a mistake.
@@Goremize If Ninty commits seppuku or hara kiri, I think only the Nintoddlers'll cry. The rest of us'll instead say the company killed itself because its members were stupid and weak.
The pokemon company is butt hurt because the pokemon games are getting lamer and lamer. Me and my friends who watched and played since the start are getting tired of the stupid pokemons, the plots , and the cartoon good god who the heck is doing the art work, it looks like a art school drop out was doing it
Yeah, it's this reason why I couldn't watch the anime and movies like I used to with Gens 1 and 2. It's been the same SFW 3+ type of franchise for 20+ years now, forgetting about their mature audience in favor of families and children (even Michael Eisner felt the same way towards the Walt Disney Company back in the mid 1980s).
You forgot to mention that older patent to which they linked the new patent is old enough to use against palworld but their other game craftopia was using the same mechanics before nintendo applied for that older patent.
It isnt even legal to patent well known and widely used things in japan but they did it anyway.
This patent shouldn't even exist.
Patents must go or they're going to ruin game development in every country they have them. Crushing any would be developer under lawfare to the point only one thing could free their creativity again.
any competent judge will see that nintendo's lawsuit is bs....unless they buy the judge
In US they gonna most likely lose. Japan is problematic.
Palworld can fight back by showing 2 other older game patters that exist before pokemon made … they should not win.
Two of the patents they're trying to sue for were filed two years after the same mechanics appeared in Craftopia, another game Pocket Pair made. They should never have been possible in the first place, and that's why this lawsuit is being looked at like a bunk scaretactic with a very low settlement. They want them to just accept the settlement and all of their conditions out of fear.
Oh and the other one has existed so long before nintendo did it that it's baffling that they could actually get a patent through with it.
Palworld could just argue that they're not copying Pokemon, they're copying Nexomon.
Yet the facts are too obvious like stated in the video.
They knew what they did and are now paying the price.
worst part is if after 20 year if you dont trademark or patent something it become free for the market. so nintendo isnt even aloud to patent anything because its bin over 20 years since the concepts have bin used(making them fair use anyways)
@Draconic_Incenerator they arent gonna pay any price
There's a reason they're doing patents instead of copyright because they have no real case
And these are super SUPER generic patents that they made after palworld
Nintendo is scummy man and don't even try to shift it on palworld coz no they shouldn't need to pay a price since if Nintendo wins this industry is doomed
@@selc978 Is this for american law or japanese?
I mean Nintendo is a Japanese company after all.
@@selc978 patents expire after 20 years, your window to patent something expires 1 year after you publish the "invention".
but that's not relevant here because the patents contain a specific implementation, not a vague concept.
concepts can't be patented, you have to detail a specific implementation of a concept and get only protection for that specific implementation.
Digimon Rearise 2018 and Pokemon, Terastilization 202? Crystal Onix doesn't count it's in the anime not game and it's basically a regional variant.
Some simple investigation shows the parent patents are from 2021, Craftopia (PocketPair) released in 2020. Japanese patent law states prior art must be considered prior to allowing the patent. Whoever allowed the patent did not do enough for due-diligence, or knew and didn't care. This suit will fall flat on it's face, Nintendo knows this, they are hoping these patents get nuked into public domain so they cannot be counter sued. I think this, as all future Pokémon games will have this 3d ball tossing mechanic, all prior Pokémon games you use the ball from your inventory and the game animates the action, no tossing mechanic used.
If Pokemon wins I will never buy another Nintendo game.
Just stop buying now, regardless of their win or loss, you need to make a stand now, or they'll never understand
Pokemon WILL win
You WONT follow through
Simple as.
@@daniel8181 nah, when they win i'll just go pawn off my last nintendo products and get a steam deck lol
...ok
Cool? Ima play legends ZA
So what you’re telling me is Nintendo is going to sue Fossil Fighters next for the first two patents that are the basis for many great games? This is just petty bullshit by Nintendo. Also Omni and the other Twitter people speaking mad facts fr. I’m not on Nintendo’s side for this. I was a huge pokemon fan before they stopped putting effort into their games in general not just pokemon. If Palworld loses this I’m never buying another Nintendo game. The competition between Palworld and Pokemon is a good thing to wake these bitches up. I also really don’t believe Nintendo has a ground to stand on. Many of the pals while probably originally based on some Pokemon aren’t remotely close to the originals they were originally based off of. I am really disappointed and disgusted with Pokemon, Nintendo, etc.
Nintendo can't sue Fossil Figthers, beacause they developed and published that game along side other studios
66k is more of a "hey might as well settle so we can justify destroying competition".
They probably do not want this to go to court.
They want to force a threat to make Palworld (and Sony behind them) to shut up.
Which it doesnt take a genis to realise what a bad precedent that is.
At this point, I'm never buying another Nintendo console or game.
In addition to shutting the game down, I imagine the cheap asking price is twofold:
1 They're saying "Take the money and run!" I think Nintendo is trying to goad PocketPair into trying to just run with the money. A sort of appeal to greed, if you will. I don't think it's a mercy because...
2 They want Pocket Pair to basically officiate their BS patents and set a precedent that PocketPair "stole" from them.
Put those together and they can go "we found some OTHER nonsense-we-just-made-up that PocketPair, the GREEDY, THIEVING developer, stole from us in this game, now we want 500 million!" In addition to shutting everyone ELSE out of the creature collector genre because their patents are now "legitimized."
I was interested in checking out ZA, trying Brothership, and maybe Echos of Wisdom and the like a go, but this has sold me on just not buying from Nintendo any time soon.
Yeah, I actually don't think that makes too much sense. They could have gone for much easier targets to "legitimize their patents" and if they get Palworld searched, then I doubt they could get them on anything that is not actually legit(Just like how this patent case is technically legit by the way japan operates, as far as anyone knows). They can't just say "look, they ripped us off!" and point towards something that has no relationship to what they own.
Welcome to the club. ^^ I haven't bought anything from nintendo since post-gamecube era. There's still games I would have _liked_ to play but honestly they don't deserve the money. They've been acting scummy forever.
@@Martial_Autist Then still play those games through "alternative methods". Over 80% of games since then already run at least decently.
@@lpfan4491 The "legitimization" of the patents happens when PocketPair loses or concedes. The low fine is a carrot on a stick. I wouldn't put it past any company trying to make an example of competition to lure them in with small fines and then wallop them with the newly set precedent. I think Nintendo either didn't or doesn't expect PocketPair to actually take it to court.
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As far as Japan operates, rich + old = "you must respect by default." Nintendo is also basically considered a (if not THE) crown jewel of Japan. The culture basically says "If Nintendo accuses, they're to be considered right until proven absolutely otherwise." If that sounds crazy, it's because it is. That's Japan, though.
As a result, they CAN say "look they ripped us off!" The patents they're suing over are child patents that were filed AFTER Palworld released. Child patents are an insane concept that lets you redefine an older patent. The ONLY upside is that the child patents expire with the parent patent (TWENTY YEARS after it was filed). The MASSIVE, EASILY ABUSE-ABLE DOWNSIDE is the retroactive suing Nintendo is doing. They said, as Fleekaziod put it, "Uh, actually, what I meant by that previous patent was THAT RIGHT THERE; MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!"
The question I'm asking isn't "Can PocketPair win the suit?" My question is "Is there a limit in Japanese courts on the 'You must blindly respect and bow to the old & rich.' mentality?" If then answer is "yes," THEN my question becomes "By how much?" If the courts are fair, PocketPair have more than a good shot, if not they're screwed. This is also ignoring the BS "bleed their bank accounts dry until they can't fight the lawsuit anymore" tactic. Nintendo wants a monopoly on creature collectors, if it gets expensive it's still worth it for them.
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I'll admit that I'm not the most well-versed in Japan's culture or patent law, but the above is basically what I've been hearing from people who at least claim to be. HOWEVER, even in the best case scenario, where Nintendo is in the right across the board, Nintendo doing this is a direct threat to gaming as a whole. If this is allowed, ANY company can make such claims against potential competition, legitimate or otherwise. Personally, I don't think it's even close to that scenario. I think my original assertion is on point.
@@TwistedChaos4428 Why does it have to be Pocketpair specifically? That is the implied question you fail to respond to.
It can't even be about Sony(though they were most likely a strong motivator to go through with it in the end), because they most likely already readied this suit before Sony even got involved.
This kind of lawsuit could spread to other games and things!!!! I remembered Final Fantasy even had the Trainer job!!!
Normies: Japan is a peaceful nation full of nice poeple and companies...
NINTENDO: hold my rice wine... RIOT or ActiBlizz will be blushing muhahaaa!!!
Bro they spending all that money for sue palworld wtf
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS MOSTLY BS....
Literally, "oh, you can't use that color, i patented it"
Excuse me wft?
In case you didn't get to the part of the video which exemplified this: 3:40
Look at that, do you think thee are normal?
Why don't they patent-making games in general? As a concept
So no one except the lazy big company wanting to do the least for the most now has no competition?
Literally monopoly rights man...
Im gonna say if I can’t play palword anymore on PlayStation after waiting for years to get this game and having the best time of my life playing this game, I will not play another Pokémon game in my life and I hope you people will do the same. I will not buy another Pokémon game or Pokémon cards ever. fuck Nintendo if they do that shit.
I don't have kids but a lot of my friends do, and I made sure they all know what's up.
Palworld for thee win Nintendo need to grow some balls and create a new game topping palworld to show palworld they can step up and be competitive
They were on the right track with Legends Arceus.... then Scarlet & Violet happened (not counting BSDP even tho it's crap, it was made by ILCA)
@@erecto_patronumthey can't. They have so many legacy staff that only knows how to make turn based battles, and you can't force retire senior members in Japanese law.
Game freak will need to be restructured if they want to compete. But since they have no competition, they can just churn out crappy titles and make passive income, a dream job considering Japan has pretty bad work culture.
@@erecto_patronum You should count BDSP. They basically forced Ilca's hand.
They crushing a new titian before it rise
"Sir, a new faction is growing. They will threaten our power in the future. We could legally get rid of them now. Should we?"
Anyone with a logical working brain would say *YES*. I can't hate Nintendo for this move. All the haters would do the same thing. YOU BETTER.
@@QuantumNova You're thinking like a battle, but this is more poisoning the well.
@@jwn0be No not at all. People are assuming Nintendo will target other companies. Capturing monsters with balls is their thing. That belongs to Nintendo.
Palworld could do like the cartoon 'Chaotic' and scan the monsters with a phone, then become the monster.
I saw a guy do a video on it. Digimon is not big. Heck even PalWorld is not a threat to Nintendo, but when PalWorld teamed up with Sony, now they got a problem. Sony has the resources to make PalWorld big. I've seen the booths at cons. They own Aniplex and can make animes and toys for PalWorld.
Nintendo sees that as a threat and is trying to kill Sony's golden child before it grows.
I may have seen that same video, but I can't find it anymore or recall the name of that video or channel.
But yeah, Sony's involvement is the real reason why all of this is happening.
if palworld stole from pokemon then pokemon stole from dragonquest
oh yeah. afaik, 3 was released like a decade before pokemon.
they dindt steal from dragon quest pocketpair stole from nintedo
Wrong, @@gamerbeast3616. Pocket Pair was actually approached by Nintendo to look at Palworld and their designs.
They found _ZERO_ connections to Pokemon, and Okay'd the game for launch.
When Shills like YOU screeched like Monkes about it, Nintendo, in _FEBUARY_ of 2024, flat out told you to "Knock it off", because they found no copyright violations.
That means everything you say, is a complete Farce.
gamerbeast3616 Look at the monster designs in the old dragon quest games, Nintendo “stole” most of them for pokemon, and that’s not the only thing they took from other devs, but that’s fine, new iterations of existing concepts and mechanics is how the gaming industry has evolved… which is why it’s crazy how Nintendo is now patenting everything they can (including very basic gameplay mechanis already used in hundreds of games) and using that as a weapon to squash potential threats, no gamer should want Nintendo to win this.
@@gamerbeast3616 3 had the "catching monsters and have them fight for you" mechanic a decade before pokemon. What are you on lmao
Palworld should then abandon throwing object to catch pals and focus on another catching mechanics that exist in paleorld. Launching. When youre further in the game you unlock a palsphere launcher, which is basically a missile launcher that shoots pal spheres at greater speed and length. Make this a primary carching mechanic and Nintendo would not be able to touch pocket pair anymore because launching and throwing are two different things and therefore sont infringe on there patent copyright
i think launchers are still covered in the patent due to them being effectively an aid in throwing.
but using melee attacks(think aloy's hacking spear in horizon zero dawn), or traps that are deployed nearby a pal(think ghostbusters) would likely bypass the patent.
3:40 By that logic, they'd be suing Nexomon.
Bruh what Nintendo are you okay
Nintendo is overprotective, I understand.
Very good coverage of the news surrounding this. (Maybe check your audio. It sounds like you used an automatic audio equalizer and it’s making your voice very quiet during transitions) keep up the good vids 👍🏻
Yea we noticed the issue with transitions on this one.. not sure what's causing it but looking into it 👍 thanks for the suggestion
If I recall correctly, Japan is on the side of Nintendo in this lawsuit over PalWorld.
Good.
@@eegernadesWhat do you mean, good?!
@@mitchellhancock7920 A copy cat primarily with designs, let's be honest, palworld took heavy, heavy design influence from pokemon.
Nintendo should rightfully rake them over the coals.
@@eegernades Hey. This is a PATENT lawsuit not a COPYRIGHT lawsuit. Get off Nintendo
@@eegernadesand how many designs and some gimmicks did Nintendo hmmm borrow for pokemon designs
As much as I despise the big N these days (I haven't bought a Nintendo console since my GameCubes... plural. Thanks, optical media), there's no denying that Palworld was little more than a cash grab catering to the lowest common denominator of dissatisfied Pokémon fans. AI generated or not, most of the hype around Palworld seems to be from the controversy; at least that's all the conversation I've heard about it. If it was actually a fun game, don't you think people would actually talk about the gameplay, instead of the game only in the context of how it relates to Pokémon?
To me, Palworld was nothing more than, "Oh, you like Pokémon? Well how about this?", in much the same way Nintendo was like, "Oh, you like Minecraft? How about BotW and TotK?" I don't believe Nintendo is in the legal right (that doesn't mean I think they'll lose), but these kinds of controversies tend to dominate the conversation, and aren't helping the gaming community.
I'm gonna be real for just a quick second
if Nintendo wins
that means Digimon, Ark, Palworld, ETC
their all just dead and we lost 3 HUGE icons that made quite a big deal in the gaming world
not to mention NINTENDO, DIGIMON STILL EXSIST!!! WHY TARGET PALWORLD WHEN DIGIMON ALSO HAS SOME OF THOSE SAME MECHANICS?!?
also, their reasoning for attacking is for game functionality, BRUH that's just a weak punch my guy
because if you do win with that, then nobody is ever going to trust you
I saw a guy do a video on it. Digimon is not big. Heck even PalWorld is not a threat to Nintendo, but when PalWorld teamed up with Sony, now they got a problem. Sony has the resources to make PalWorld big. I've seen the booths at cons. They own Aniplex and can make animes and toys for PalWorld.
Nintendo sees that as a threat and is trying to kill Sony's golden child before it grows.
@TrainerAQ ooof I see
Well like one guy I watch as well
If they win this, it's a threat against any indie gaming group/company
They are also sueing over the patent for fall damage
its much more then just games with capture mechanics. Think of all the games with mounts and fall damage, lol.
Nintendo the frick
Ark will very likely not be taken down. It's different from pokemon, which is the IP they're trying to protect. If it is taken down, there will be even more outrage than for palword since the game is hardly similar.
I agree with this! Even if other monster franchises are on Nintendo consoles, Pokèmon would still bully them in existence. No monster franchise will be safe if Pokèmon wins the lawsuit.
They knew Game Freak couldn't make a game as good, so rather than lose money on their cash cow, they tried to scare them with the court case, since that worked for other studios. They did not expect them to call their bluff and fight them in court.
Now Nintendo has to see this through.
As i said in a different video Nintendo has a patent monopoly. Pretty much every game that exists Nintendo can sue.
Palworld showed the world the actual numbers that Pokemon should have. New Pokemon games are not selling well at all, but the raw sales numbers don't show that. They have at least tripled the amount of fans they had in the 90s but the sales don't reflect that. It gets eviden't when games like Pokemon GO and Palworld released.
If this happens I will never buy or support any Nintendo products ever again. I encourage everyone to do the same.
And I would wholeheartedly love Pocketpair to move their headquarters to America.
@@SuperFlashDriver agreed
But I want ZA
If Pokèmon wins the lawsuit, we would never see Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Palworld, Yo-Kai Watch, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, Monsuno, Nexomon, Chaotic, Monster Crown, Cassette Beasts, Monster Sanctuary, TemTem, Moshi Monsters or other monster franchises again because our only option would be Pokèmon.
@cliffordkun2844 half of those games don't even have capture balls?
How about Shin Megami Tensei sue pokemon for catching monsters?
pokemon are just bullies enough said lol
Truth is, Nintendo & Gamefreak are actually scared, is all. Any big IP Owner will protect their own IP Products/Branding/Whatever if it even means killing the opposing product/company as well.
I'm really sad to see what Pokèmon have become.
Nintendo be like: Suing every guy in the world named 'Mario' or 'Luigi'.
Pokémon company needs to be better and do better. This is the end of gaming as we know it. Not just for Nintendo but all gaming companies.
I am on palworld's side, they don't deserve any of this crap, they didn't copy anything from Pokémon, they used their own, original creatures and own, original spheres. I mean sure, ones could say it has similar mechanics to legends arceus, but I mean there's no proof that it was straight copied, because they could've been working on that game far before legends arceus dropped. I believe Nintendo is just being the greedy ahh company that they are, wanting to sue just to get extra money that they don't really need, being jealous that another company is just more successful than they are. I think this is all a dick move by Nintendo, they better not win because if they do I'm not buying any more Pokémon games.
For the patents, as info:
The patents were registered 2 months after Palworld got introduced officially.
So unofficially Palworld was earlier introduced, and I think Nintendo noticed this too.
It's still scummy of Nintendo.
The small amount of fine meant that they want Pocketpair to pay the fine and loose the case.
The game stop. Pocketpair already got the money from selling the game. Nintendo got rid of a competitor, win win.
As pocket pair released a game in 2020 way before arceus about catching monsters in a open world.
The Pokémon franchise has implemented gameplay elements like land, air, and water mounts, and monster capture mechanics, which are also found in other series such as *Final Fantasy*, *Kingdom Hearts*, *Dragon Quest Monsters*, and *Monster Rancher*. These features are not unique to Pokémon, yet criticism of newer games like *Palworld* suggests selective targeting. *Palworld* poses a genuine competitive threat, challenging industry norms by emphasizing quality over incomplete releases. This disrupts the publisher's complacency, rooted in legacy pride, and underscores the consumer demand for higher standards and innovation in gaming.
Has Nintendo tried targeting Pokemon towards a demographic other than literal babies?
Shin Megami Tensei exists.
@@Rakadramon they're talk about Nintendo bro
People also need to address that technically if they win this; they aren't going to quit. They will try to take on any future game created with aspects of their IPs which mind you have also a ton of mechanics borrowed from other games out there. Pokemon is oddly similar to Dragon Quest, not just in mechanics but also in designs. And what next are they going to see religious iconography too. Because a ton of these creatures exist in folklore all over the world.
I haven't seen a good pokemon game since the OG Ruby/Sapphire games. Just sayin'.
Unova 😢...
Even Emerald getting bonked on the head here, lmao.
That settles it. I'm buying a copy of the game tonight. The devs don't deserve this kind of treatment, whatever beef Nintendo has with Sony.
Nintendo will set a dark precedent if they win this lawsuit. Want to catch creatures as part of your game? Nope, cant do it. God forbid if Monster Hunter gets sued next because you can capture Monsters in some games.
No they won’t, the rest of the industry will be completely find as long as they don’t partner with Sony for A merch deal, and have creates that are Frankenstein version of Pokémon
@@Lunapink93The _REAL_ reason Nintendo set up this lawsuit had _nothing_ to do with Sony.
They set up their original bogus patent in _Dcember_ of 2021.
Palworld had initially released in _JUNE_ of 2021, and was only taken down because Pocket Pair wanted to change the Game Engine to Unreal Engine 5.
This means that according to the arbitary Laws Nintendo only follows when they _Want_ to bully people and smaller companies, they cannot hit Pocket Pair because Pocket Pair made it first.
They likely won't do this.
あたしは自分が裁判官だと想像するのが好きです。任天堂とPalworldの両方の議論を聞いて、どちらが正しいと思うか判断したいと思います。そして、自分の判断が実際の判断にどれだけ近いかを確認したいと思います。
現在の情報に基づいて、お金と特許についてはまだ判断できません。もっと多くの情報とPalworldの弁明を聞く必要があります。
しかし、「Palworld」の販売を中止するという要求については。あたしが裁判官だったら、この要求を拒否します。販売中止を正当化するのに十分な説得力のある議論をまだ見たことがありません。
Yeah nah
This is a Utter Dick move against Palworld not only is it just basically Nintendo and The Pokemon Comp fucking over a small indie company and their Game For *checks Notes*
"Giving Pokemon healthy Competition"
And apparently Sharing similar Elements
Which not only is that utter BS
But to effectively force Palworld to die off hell no!
This is pure just Boderline Disgusting to pull
While I'll probably still use switch
Online just to enjoy gaming
Yeah I'm like that one Twitter user and never touching Pokemon as long as I live if they think they can pull this shit
And genuinely hope Palworld wins this
If it dies, it only dies in Japan. No way Nintendo has the power it does in Japan to win internationally.
Honestly if you really want to send a message, stop using switch online entirely. Let your current subscription run out, don't resubscribe and if you REALLY want to make a statement, do not support the Switch successor, at all. Make it flop harder than the Wii U.
Small Indie Company? Supported by Sony and you still call them a small indie company?
Also, healthy competition?
You know what I'll return to my original thought on this case, I hope Palworld wins so that what they did will become the norm and in 5 years we'll have nothing but mixes of different popular games with random survival elements
Can't wait for The Legend of BattleRoyale, Call Of Dark Souls and LeagueOfTerraria
Also please, stop supporting Nintendo like the other dude said under this comment. Nintendo is the ONLY big bad company right? The only company that is consistently bad with game releases and that fucks with their consumers right?
@@kingt1954 I mean Pocket Pair IS a small indie company, they partnered with Sony SOLELY to sell merchandise that's it. They are still a small indie company.
Better stick to your guns then, better not see you buy or participate in anything pokemon related. Side note: its the biggest IP ever(by a massive margin too - the closest next is mickey and friends). I'm sure they'll miss the small amount of defectors from the franchise.
Nintendo used LAWYERS!
It's super effective!
The funniest part of this patent lawsuit is that most of the patents made by Pokémon were only made AFTER palworld was released and are NOT unique in any sense of the way. Riding mounts is an issue in multiple games and throwing a ball to engage combat or any action would be an issue in dragon quest and MANY another games. So overall in the technicality of this lawsuit, if pocket pair collects the proper evidence this lawsuit can be completely nullified through providing evidence that their patents are completely bogus “unique features” to only their games.
you missed the part of the video explaining that the patents have a 2021 parent patent.
they updated some non-binding expanations and comentary, this gave the patents a new number but retained the start and end dated from the original patent.
@ my friend, games like dragon quest came out before Pokémon, they had the patented mechanic in their games before Pokémon became a thing.
@@dundde3982 try reading the patents.
the actual patents, not a 2 word description.
Meanwhile, Palworld on Playstation 5 in japan was number 1 in October.
4:58 the problem with the parent patent thing is the parent was for Legends of Arceus which was in 2021. The mechanics used in Palworld were brought over from their earlier game Craftopia which released in 2020. A year before the parent patent which should, by patent law, mean that it is unable to be patented. I really hope Palworld does not settle and wins. This would set a precedence what would destroy indie games and severely limit what games could ever be made in the future, Oh you have a cool game idea, well mechanics for shadows is patented so you can't have that, cars are patented so no to that. oh you want it to be similar to minecraft... patented. Uses a gun? patented.. You will get nothing new, just same regurgitated crap from the same studios.
Also Nintendo's patents in this particular instance are vague and stupid. They are basically claiming that they own the rights to 3rd person adventure RPGs in general regardless of whether they are creature catchers or not. If Microsoft or Blizzard wanted to, they could literally tell Nintendo to get rid of those patents and they'd have to capitulate.
I’m with Palworld
Nintendo: Oh, it's perfectly FINE if we blatantly rip off other people's ideas and work, but if anyone tries to do the same thing to us? NAH!
I really missed watching you guys everytime I ate breakfast I would watch you before going to my classes so glad to so you back