@@zigrakudo4092 but how would Nintendo act if ALL of them gang up on them. One no problem all of them at once... well that might (key word might) change things.
@@XacAnon I'd have to do some digging, but I remember PocketPair mentioning on their discord about a week or so before Palworld launched that Nintendo's Lawyers were invited over to survey the game for themselves and they gave the game the greenlight. Now if this is true, then this could cripple Nintendo's entire case, which is why I'm betting the amount is so low because Nintendo knows they could be in deep shit if that is brought up, even in a Japanese court. I believe this is true as both are Japanese companies and Japanese copyright laws are even more retarded than our own here in the US, so I'd believe PocketPair invited the lawyers over to cover all their bases.
@@megaman37456 I hope they also recorded footage of it. Imagine the expressions on Nintendo's lawyers faces when they realize they have physical video proof that they gave them permission to make the game, and told them they were in the clear from being sued! Probably the same one Disney's lawyers get on their faces when they're about to take a massive loss!
Nintendo has a vendetta against Sony due to something Sony was trying to do to Nintendo back when they were a smaller company. Sony struck a deal with Pocketpair and given the timing it's most likely just against Sony.
Could not have said it better myself. Honestly the only people at Nintendo I EVER feel bad for are the ones who actually program the games, imagine being such a great game designer bogged down by such an ass backwards thinking company.
@@megaman37456 Fr, I bet the designer goes to the boss like "I have this great new idea for a Pokemon game that I'm sure the children will love." and I would assume the boss would just outright turn them down and say "Not gonna happen. You will remake the same game concepts for the next 10 years or you're out the door."
@@Fireblaze40rblx "this game is for children and you can beat it with the starting pokemon without even evolving it" But sir don't people want a dark souls like pokemon game for a change at least once every 20 years? "No make the same game again for the 30th time"
Their legal department certainly is. But their developers are some of the few you can still trust to not screw over gamers or instill gambling addictions in kids.
The amount of the lawsuit is unimportant in this case. Nintendo is suing to create "Precedent", a legal "leg to stand on" for future lawsuits. If they win there will be a legal case they can point at for future lawsuits that involve those ridiculously vague terms and it would be a near instant win for them every time. I hope they lose immediately, they have become so corrupt its almost insane.
Not only lose, but lose BIG TIME! Like "So? You tried to abuse the patent system to take out your competition by submitting those patents AFTER they made their game? Yeah, prepare to be the ones paying THEM some money, only it's gonna be an amount that makes the $66,000 you were suing them for look like the loose change someone hoards in their car's cupholder!" big!
You missed a point of the lawsuit that is most important: not the sum they sue for, but the fact that nintendo wants them to stop selling the game AT ALL!
Which won't work outside of Japan. Nintendo doesn't have the power to shut the game down globally. And if pocketpair decides "Fuck you" they can move out of Japan to somewhere like say...Brazil where Nintendo has NO power and continue selling the game from there.
@@megaman37456 if i were them i would do that ... and then post that its nintendos fault japan cant have good things ... and if they get sued for defamation just lay the facts on the court room that what they said DID happen
@@megaman37456 As i Brazilian, i can confirm that it would be an effective place for Pocketpair(outside the huge taxes but that will be pocket money compared to the much money they would get). A proof its the sucess of Brazil Green Steam: The Hydra.
Also what Nintendo is trying to defend indirectly is the pokemon trademark they don't want people calling things that are not pokemon pokemon or nicknaming something that looks like Pikachu evil Pikachu if the names become generic they absolutely can loose their rights to theam theirs actually at least one company I know of that lost the rights to their company name that way
So you're telling me, Nintendo is suing Palworld......for something that 99% of rpg games do? Red Dead 2 has horses you can ride, will they get sued too? In Bully you can aim and throw items at enemies to trigger a combat state. No, I don't think it's about the patents either. I think Nintendo has an issue with someone doing a different take on Pokemon and are showing up Nintendo with their 30 year old game which only in the last decade went 3D, but still remains mostly unchanged. Can we just agree that Pokemon has been stale for the longest time and needed Palworld for competition?
From my understanding, palworld has a lot of similarities in terms on how pals and Pokémon are being caught. Example being in Pokémon legends Arceus you can throw and catch Pokémon without being in battle and even get back bonus such as increasing the chances of catching said Pokémon, palworld has that similar if not the same thing as well. And what they could possibly mean with riding something, it’s could be how it works. Example being when you use a certain flying type for Pokémon, you can glide throughout the map, and palworld has pals that can do the same but as different types. Idk about how the throwing patent could go, but no body likes patents. Red dead 2 they won’t sue mainly because it isn’t exactly Pokémon. Yes you can ride the horse but you aren’t going around to catching other people horses. Plus they are both completely different games. Don’t get it twisted as in I’m defending them, I’m just getting out a more better understanding of their lawsuit rather then just pointing out other games. I still think patents are the most dumbest things and ruins gaming but it’s there. It may result to seeing either them paying them the fine, shutting down their game in Japan, or the game altogether (if that becomes the worst case scenario).
Actually, I think Nintendo should've stuck with their old formula for Pokémon since they're clearly failing miserably at the whole open world thing. At least you could *checks notes * enter stores in which you buy items in previous games. If they can't commit to the new ideas and actually execute them well, they might as well do the stale old thing but do it well. Or, I don't know, stop restricting access and usability of their old, good games
@@Crispy_-_855ye but pokemon had it too good for too long jk but really the problem is they are doing this in the intent to get their way with anything and as they are incredibly vague it causes the sense it could spread to anything / if they somehow win the case it will be the worst thing ever cuz there won't be new games cuz people will copyright even walking /is the same problem when someone wanted to patent the sun ( or the moon or a planet dunno Wich one ) but is dumb
You missed the other part of what they are suing for. The money *is* pocket change to both companies, but they are also demanding *injunction*. Aka Palworld must seize using those patents or be taken down completely.
Oh, that's not the worst of it. All of the patents Pocketpair is being accused of violating were filed at least a month AFTER Palworld was released to the public. :3
Yeah, basically the Big patent was approved, but this "child" patents became the problems ones, the stupidest part is that nintendo actually didnt do anything before, when nintendo fanboys (because lets be real nintendo fan is a thing and the ones that did this is other breed) started to scream that nintendo defend your Game!! Nintendo palworld is using your models!!! And all of that nintendo didnt move a inch, and this on release with the mechanic that now are "problematic" still on, so nintendo wasted the moment of demand them, created this stupid stuff and now is trying to stop the sells of palword
bc ark dont allow to cryopod wild dinos, all 3 things need to be doable with the same "device" and you tame dinos with tranqs first then cryopod them (*misspells)(the 3 things are 1.capturing enemies, 2.realesing them as allays, 3.using them to fight or ride)
@redacted3742 What do you mean by cryo and tranks? The reason I am asking is because I legitimately don't know what you are talking about. As well as the fact you just said that ARK doesn't cryo but does allow you to cryo.
I saw in another video another wording for the "throw something" patent, Ark is safe because you dont throw the cryo. But they are not safe when its about mounts. But I dont think Nintendo have plans against them tho, they want to stop pocketpair for working with Sony (play station). Palworld was left alone until they did this. They created the patents this same year to sue palworld for them. Or thats what ive been seeing on videos recently. Not an expert on the topic by anymeans.
So in short: Nintendo STOLE ideas from Pocketpair's Craftopia 2020, claimed them as their own (patented) in 2021 (also put them in their Pokemon game of same year) and now suing Pocketpair for STEALING of patented ideas for Palworld 2024 which THEY THEMSELF STOLE from Pocketpair's game of 2020.
Yeah, it indeed is quite stupid, considering to add onto this, that "mount" patent that they're goin for, is somethin that games like World of Warcraft, Red Dead, Monnster Hunter, etc. have already done. There's also the very vauge "injunction against Palworld" Nintendo has in there too, along with "plus damages" ontop of the 60k.
But these are just..general game mechanics? I guess Nintendo can sue Ubisoft if/when the Black Flag remaster comes out because we throw harpoons at sea creatures.
Fun fact, we always knew it was a patent suit, not a copyright suit. Pocketpair specifically said it when the suit was filed, even if we never knew what patents it was. Second fun fact, all of the patents being sued for in palworld is ALSO in Pocketpair's other game, Craftopia. Edit: That came out several years prior to Palworld
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who still try to say Palworld is being sued for copyright infringement. Can you guess which horse they’re betting on?
You know what also infringes those three patents? From top of my head.. Red Dead Redemption. You can shoot a gun/throwing anything, Capture creatures in wild (alive is not specified) and ride creatures. Yeaaah, if this lawsuit is won by Nintendo, that means they got the legwork to sue pretty much any game if they want.
Japan has been in this situation for a long time. Blind Nintendo fans believe that big companies like Nintendo hold a lot of patents and keep the order. And Palworld is disrupting the order, so they want the hero Nintendo to defeat it. Some Japanese people realize that this is abnormal, but they are overwhelmingly few...
Just a little context, Palworld is heavily backed by SONY. And if you know anything about that, you know that Nintendo and Sony have a lot of beef. 0:25
It does make sense. Palworld sold 5x the lifetime of the prior pokemon game that has been out for years within ONE MONTH and thats not counting subscription player counts. Nintendo is acting like a Mafia. Satisfactory was released well before any of these patents and they include similar actions that would supersede the patent. Palworld has been publicly in development for 5 years, Nintendo should've sent a cease and desist a LONG time ago. The concept that you can patent something and RETROACTIVELY apply it is extremely dangerous and I hope it fails on merit, with prejudice so the norm is set that this won't be allowed again. This lawsuit has sweeping ramifications for the industry if they succeed.
You do realize Scarlet Violet sold 25 million and Palworld only sold 8 million the first month and 15 over lifetime. I’m not going to debate the other parts, but that first bit is wildly wrong
@@Drago-957 palworld sold 25 millions the first month Still true it's clearly not X5 scarlet and violet sales ... But it's sitll above scarlet and violet
As a graphic designer with a basic understanding of how copyright works for assets, Nintendo has pretty much no ground to stand on for claims that anything was stolen. All the designs are different enough to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Inspired yes, but stolen no. Nintendo’s only hope is to lock down a definition of their gameplay loop and claim that as intellectual property.
But the main gameplay loop of Pokemon is already present in many other creature taming games that have existed for almost a decade now, not even that is enough to stand
@ yeah I agree with you there. But if they make their definition specific enough they may have a small amount of ground to stand on in the eyes of the law. The main issue with that is if it is too specific it would be trivial to make adjustments to Palworld and make Gamefreak’s argument obsolete and if they are too broad (like its looking like now) then they don’t really have any ground to stand on as there are many examples that already use all those gameplay elements.
@@lego_minifigThe problem is that they literally just can't. They can't even define what a Pokemon is because most of them take inspiration from myth and lore, any not only from Japan's history but OTHER cultures. The whole company is a joke to patents.
@@defectiveparts8604 that is another issue entirely and I completely agree. You cant claim ownership of anything inspired by a real life animal or anything in the public domain (myth and historical lore included). When I mention defining I am more talking about the gameplay mechanics and how they interact with one another. As an example, I am a typographer. I cannot copyright any letters or glyphs I design as the idea of letterforms are in the public domain and owned by everyone. Any ownership of the concept of letters would stifle innovation so it is not permitted. I can however copyright the font (the code) as my decisions of how I spaced the letterforms and how all the glyphs interact with one another is a unique interpretation. This situation is similar to the Nintendo situation. Nintendo would need to argue that the way their mechanics interact with one another is unique to them. They cannot own the idea of tamable monsters on its own, but if they have enough interacting mechanics that are unique to them alone then they could try and claim ownership of that concept. I don’t believe that have enough ground to stand on in this regard, but they certainly will try.
Yeah but pokemon fans have a bias that refuses to let them see it any sort of similarities even something stupid like same animal is enough for them to claim rip off
I'm baffled at "riding creatures in an open world, and transitioning between those creatures" it's litterally describing a mount. This means any games where you can ride horses or any fantasy creatures would get sued.
Yup and craftopia came out in 2020 and palworld was meant to be released in 2021 but was postponed to move from unity to unreal engine for the game. They did game play and everything in 2020 and 2021 way before pokemon Arceus came out. This shows how pathetic and petty Nintendo is. They need to step down on this but sadly this is Japan law so they will do some illegal petty money under the table to find was to win this case or if not continue to harass pocketpair with more nonsense court case till they lose because it gets very expensive and Nintendo has a bank load to do it
@@outlawstar2090 Unfortunately Japanese patent law is "first to file", Nintendo doing this sets a very bad precedence going forward and will likely start a chain of other scummy developers filing mechanic patents on their competitors regardless of who was first. Unrelated side note, I love Outlaw Star.
@XxXCinereousXxX thanks and again because of how Japanese law is so broken there Nintendo will do everything they can to win it no matter what. They got the money and will pay under the table for the judge to do a blind eye on this case but if willing if the judge is not that way and it's being fair then this will give pocketpair a advantage on this lawsuit. We won't know till the court date hits.
The first of the three just made all shooters in violation of Nintendo's patent including arrows and the like because bullets and such are "items." Riding mechanics are in most games and now they are patenting that? These patents basically attack most games on the market. Someone in their legal department needs to get their head checked. From what I understand they connected these three things to patents they already have in order to be able to retroactively go after palworld.
on behalf of nintendo i will formally become a shareholder for them just to show their legal teams videos of games that include patent infringing contents (animals]
“Inspiration” is not stealing and they are different enough in appearance, for one thing. Nintendo needs to be taught a lesson, for everything they’ve done. Especially when it comes to emulators…
yea i tell that to everyone i see saying about "stealing characters" and it gets annoying, people like to say characters are stolen when they're just "animal but..." and some of the characters arent even the same species then with game mechanics it should just be wrong to patent an entire mechanic, that's why we cant have evolving, living enemies thanks to shadow of mordor
here is the kicker: these patents only fly in Japan. in the US it would be very hard to pursue them and win in a court of law. Hell, you would probably get laughed out of court for even attempting such a thing. Here's the other thing, a lawyer recently looked into all this. he came to the conclusion that Nintendo's feathers got ruffled by Pocketpair and SONY Music (yes SONY Music, not Playstation. they are different branches of the same company. and music even has (or used to have at least) it's own game development division.) making a business deal recently They are scared because it would shine a light on things and possibly sully Nintendo's image to be seen as similar to a game with more mature themes like Palworld. This terrifies them because it means they have to either adapt and make their games better or accept another company is beating them in the same market niche. They clearly have never had this kind of competition from another monster taming game before and they don't know how to handle it. so their goal is to eliminate the competition and set an example so no other companies ever try something like this again. Also, am I the only one who's noticed the pattern where after the CEO that replaced Iwata took over, Nintendo has been purusing litigation against developers and third party groups on a more regular basis now? This new guy seems to be the same style of old '"no fun allowed" tightwad fart Nintendo had in the 90's. Too out of touch with the times and wanting to hold onto things to keep them from changing. Since these patents only fly in Japan, Pocketpair COULD take the easy way out and move to the US, though the patent suit would still be active in Japan and, if they lose, they could lose the Japanese market but still be able to keep the rest of the markets theoretically. Though, I am not a japanese lawyer and there could be some problem with doing all I just said that I don't know about. Besides, with the way things are now in the states, it would be difficult, let alone a bad move, for a bunch of Japanese people to adjust to a new life here in America, (let alone all the other compicated things they would need to do to get US citizenship, housing, etc)
Nintendo broke so many honor codes and other law's yet Japan will let it slide as long they get money off from Nintendo which wouldn't surprise me for how corrupt they are even in daily life as well.
Language is also a huge barrier. In spite of English being a mandatory part of their education, hardly anyone actually speaks it on any level, let alone a functional level
@sevenember3332 tell that with LG company that came here to build factory and other companies with pure Koreans speaking their language and hire mostly people that can translate both English and Korean language. As long the companies got the money it's not that difficult to move to a different country to move their business. But as of right now pocketpair can't leave nor move their companies outside of Japan yet till the court is settled and even if they do move it will be bad for business doing that and the law will force them to come back till everything is settled.
Iirc patent lawsuits are frowned on in Japan, I believe Nintendo has even talked other companies out of them because its is seen as such a petty/stupid thing to do.
there are so many games that use a transition between a mount and anything. Also, the patents were updated after palworld came out. so they are trying to sue retroactively.
My favorite example of total bullshit Nintendo could do if they win is sue Rockstar because Red dead redemption has mountable horses, this technically applies two of the three patents.
I think this lawsuit was probably more or less Nintendo just doing it to say they sued them to shut up all the Pokemon fans that were complaining about Palworld, it was honestly a horrendous display by Fans on YT, Twitter and other platforms, But if they are doing it to be petty than i also agree they are more than likely Intimidated by Palworlds success because they haven't had any other competitors, making it much easier for them to release the exact same game again and again with literal changes that include story and nothing else, but they were making millions off it. What i think is weird is if those things are qualified as Suing material then why is Nintendo Ignoring "TemTem, Cassette Beasts, Tretramon Card Shop Sim (Directly challenges pokemon card collecting), Anterris (being developed still but relevantly similar to Arceus legends), those 4 games are all closer in relevance to being similar to Pokemon than Palword, but Palworld is making money, so they got targeted. . . The Current Bigwigs of Nintendo need to get off the couch and actually improve Pokemon instead of trying to **** block an entire genre because they want to earn money without doing the work.
2:40 they started using ridable pokemon in sun and moon i think with pokeride...but mounts existed for a long time in like 1000 games especially in MMOs or survival games in general
I don't think Pokemon should be the only ones dominating the world of monster taming games. Nintendo understands that to some extent, and they tolerate some Pokemon-like games, which coexist on the Switch. They should explain why they're suing only Palworld. Maybe it's because they made too much money, or they teamed up with Sony, or maybe it's because the designs are too similar to Pokemon. We'll never know. Whatever reason Nintendo has for suing its rivals, it's unreasonable for them not to share with the world the boundaries they're taking with their actions. It's terrible that people have to make games while fearing sanctions from countless patents.
@@Omid-v7d you said it, the reason they are suing is because Palworld is successful. And the fact they aren't suing for copyright or trademark infringement proves they can't because if they could they absolutely would.
Which is incredibly strange because Pokemon has had competition for DECADES, Shin MEgami Tensei, Persona, Digimon, Monster Hunter: Stories, I could go on
@@webpombo7765 Except Digimon had been actively sabotaged by Nintendo for over a decade. You think this fight started with Palworld? This is just Toei VS TPC part 2. Everyone knows Digimon is a better game, that's why we didn't get the latest release in English, it coincided with a Pokemon release.
I've been keeping a weather eye on this and it's honestly best described as 'corporate warfare.' The patents that are all being referenced were approved AFTER Palworld launched, so honestly there should be no legal leg to stand on in court seeing as if anything, Nintendo's trying to steal from Pocket Pair and not the other way around. The point that should be focused on is that Nintendo only started gearing up its lawyers AFTER Pocket Pair partnered with Sony and made the push to make Palworld a serious competitor franchise. Before that they seemed like they couldn't care less despite the heavy surge in popularity. The end goal is likely to set legal precedent so that they can keep hammering down on Pocket Pair and anyone else trying to compete with Pokemon in a serious sense, hence why the 'damages' being pursued is so laughably low. They can use it to try to force Pocket Pair to settle out of court since it would be much cheaper, then strong-arm them into other things from there since while settling wouldn't necessarily set precedence, it is in a way an admission of guilt regardless of whether Pocket Pair did anything wrong or not. Either way, this is disgusting and anti-competition. I can't really cheer for either side though, since thanks to the partnership it's really more Nintendo vs. Sony. Nintendo's been letting GameFreak be run into the ground for ages at this point, creating sub-par experiences and slowly nickel and diming fans, while Sony's profit first quality never mentality makes me deeply nervous about the prospect of THEM getting a serious competitor to go against Pokemon with even if they're going to be hands off about it. I just don't see either outcome as being wholly good for us, I'm just hoping Palworld doesn't get crushed in the process.
soooo in summary: Nintendo is trying to copyright the Concept of 1)Throwing 2)Capturing/BeingNiceToFeralCreatures 3)HorsebackRiding... these 3 things are do'able IRL & imo have no grounds for copyright'ing
Oh no, they already HAVE the copyright on those things. Nintendo filed for those copyrights AFTER Palworld came out and got them pushed through the approvel process in record time just so they could sue an indie company that made a better monster catcher game than what Nintendo managed in decades.
@@xientau9028 That's nothing to do with this lawsuit, visuals and sounds don't matter Nintendo is suing over game mechanics that all games that exist have. These patents allow them to sue everyone and end Indie game development in Japan. Everyone going forward will have to pay Nintendo to make games, and it won't be a small amount of money.
Nintendo NEEDED this competition with Pokemon. They've been so damn unoriginal lately, the stuff gets boring. And the best thing they ever came out with.....Colosseum and XD they refuse to ever replicate and improve on for some odd reason. I'm hoping they'll start offering better looking Pokemon than the crap they been offering, be able to play occasional adult characters instead of children, be able to create our characters instead of being forced into a certain mold, better clothing options (those school clothes were the worst!). Being able to ride or fly on a Pokemon would be cool! There's just so much they can do, they been dropping the ball on, just to stay with the same ol' same ol' and just relying on dumb gimmicks. Palworld proved they could do so much more. Maybe it'll shake those cobwebs away and actually do something more creative for a change.
i took a look myself, the capture mechanic isn't included in the lawsuits the first one is targeting reticle and firing a projectile at the target, the next is NPC pathfinding and the final one is game physics
@@durakeno5575 They are basically suing for game mechanics featured in every game that exists. No idea how and why Japan allowed them to get these patents this year AFTER pal world came out. But Nintendo thinks they can own stuff like Fall Damage in games.
Nintendo hates INDIE games, they allow them into their platforms because they have no choice. But this show how they'd use their patents to destroy anyone who dares to cast the tiniest shadown into their IP in competition. Hope INDIE devs start not publishong on their platforms anymore if Nintendo wins this
@@LuigiMaster4 Remember they had to change their INDIE policies on Switch because they totall F up on Wii U. They know they need them but actually don't like it if an indie is popular enough on other platforms to overshadow their franchises.
@@NL-XEven tho he has no unique moveset because he's just a skin, it is crazy that Sans is in Smash at all. It still sounds fake, even tho it's been years.
@@NL-X Remember! Undertale was PC exclusive and went into Switch after Playstation due to demand. Same with Stardew Valley. Nintendo don't care and thats why now the NSO store is a total shovelware mess.
wow with these vague patents Pokémon can sue Fortnite for all three. 1. Shoot another player in the vast feilds that make up the map; 2. Fishing; 3. There was a season where you could ride wolves and boars. What are these patents???
Nintendo also filed patents for these things after palworlds release and they are trying to sue them and have them shut down on patent infringement grounds, this is a open and shut case in the west for palworlds team but not sure in Japan, plus Nintendo are scummy as hell these past few years.
Oh shoot, you might not have seen it because I said it in a reply Broboimation, but the three patents that Palworld were being sued over have vanished from Google's International patent archive and 3/4 of Nintendo's unrelated patents have regressed to "Pending". I'm not entirely sure what this means but it really looks to me that Palworld might have won and Nintendo's patents got revoked and the other patents they filed this year are getting rechecked.
There is no copyrighted material, that’s why they aren’t suing for copyright. PalWorld stole nothing. Nintendo is being petty and greasy because they got caught with their pants down and embarrassed by PocketPair, and because PocketPair presents a franchise that has the potential to go toe to toe with Pokemon.
With powerful companies like Nintendo holding countless patents on game, indie game creators are constantly being held by the neck in Japan. Although they are generally not sued, it would not be surprising if they are targeted at any time. The trigger for the lawsuit is also unknown. All we know is that we must never anger Nintendo. This environment is extraordinary.
Digimon world 2 (ps1), while in your digibeetle, you can press square on the map to shoot a gift at a digimon before engaging it to have a chance to "capture" it And im trying to remember a game that allowed you to "ride" your creatures and my mind wants to say either monster rancher 4 or evo (ps2 games) but I'm not sure and I know there are others I have played... my brain just can't remember them
Its funny cuz if those 3 points are what they sue palworld for then Red dead redemption 2 has those same features, you aim an object (lasso) at a creature(wild horse) in the field and can capture it then able to ride that around
It isn't about the money, part of the lawsuit is to force the game to shutdown as well. They put in patents on those three points they're suing over... well after Palworld came out. Those three points? Yes, some of them weren't apparently used by Pokemon until the Arceus game... however Craftopia was made by the same devs as Palworld and has largely the same mechanics, and Craftopia came out I believe two YEARS before Arceus. Nintendo is using lawfare to try to crush competition, and in such a stupidly blunt manner that is actually breaking multiple patent laws from what I've heard.
I don't think Nintendo is actually going after Palworld specifically to target Palworld. I think they're looking beyond this. Palworld has already rocketed through with their game and rode its wave of popularity to the finish line. The game isn't done for, but it's no longer a threat to Pokemon. However, this has opened the gates to other monster tamer style games to start cropping up and I think Nintendo wants to set the ground work to prevent another Pokemon from ever rising up again. I think Nintendo is planning on weaponizing their patents against any rivals as they pop up before they have a chance to make enough profit to establish themselves as another Pokemon-esque franchise and become an ACTUAL threat and ruin the Pokemon monopoly that Nintendo has.
The problem is that they are only doing this because pal world is popular but not big Nintendo just wants to settle this out of cort its just to make it easier to do this in the future they are not afraid of pallworld they just see a way to increase there influence in the industry because if they win this or settle they can project a lot presher on competers
my concern is that if Nintendo wins this lawsuit then that means that game companies could sue other game developers for putting a feature from one of the company's games into the new game developer's game. many games copy features from other games. take a look at the whole battle royals thing. fortnite, cod, apex legends. the lawsuits would be ridiculous. it would destroy the gaming community.
my theory is they are suing for a ridiculously low amount in order to potentially get the judge to side with them due to it being almost nothing....but this sets precedent and they could potentially abuse that.
I honestly think this is a ploy to try to get Pocketpear to settle since that would still set a precedent over them being able to go after others for a lot more. At least that's how it works in the US maybe it's different in Japan, I know in some parts of Europe they don't care about past trials each one is a blank slate with precedent not being a thing.
this lawsuit isnt about the money, its about setting a precedent so they can own all these game mechanics and have no competition while they produce low quality games that use them
@@creater20225 The older pokemon games are actually decent. Anything past Sun and Moon has been actual shit tier quality, with Legends Arceus only being somewhat okay.
While the "riding creatures in the open world" part wasn't veeeery accurate until Arceus, you COULD ride some pokemon in XY, and then you could ride most of them freely in SM and USUM. The only issue is that those games aren't necessarily "open world".
No, that's the sad part, this IS the older generation, they've become so set in their ways, so set in being on top, they've forgotten how to compete and now can only attack competition in the dirtiest ways possible.
Just to be clear you forget to mention, Nintendo sue the pocket pair cause of these shits BUT pocket pair can say they got this patent things from there previous game Craftopia so technically they using there own asset's as a long term strategy and not other's.
So let me get this straight instead of going after the perfectly reasonable Artstyle/Character theft (which is a debated topic anyway) they. They just want to sue everyone? Are they okay? Do they need to sit down?
Here's some critical information related to the "art style theft" (That is not even a legal concept, so people really need to shove that up their ass) first; there was no "theft" at all, the person who claimed Palworld stole assets later admitted he made it up and deliberately altered Pokémon models to make the accusation look more believable. second; Palworld contacted Nintendo for legal guidance through years of development to not infringe on their designs, meaning every single pal in the game was officially signed off on by Nentendo before the game launched. Nintendo was fully aware of the game as much as three to four years before it launched, they knew everything about it, what it was, what it was doing, and everything in it. And now that you know that, this lawsuit probably makes even less sense... I can only work with what I have, so this is a guess; Nentendo gets contacted for legal guidance by a local (Japanese) developer wanting to make a game with monster capturing. Nintendo likely saw a chance to build some good PR by helping a game in a very tight space with them figuring from the size and caliber of the studio, anything they make is likely to only sell a few hundred or thousand units and not really go anywhere; they get some good RP and maybe poach the talent when the studio folds. win win. Huge backfire, the game is an overnight success selling over 20 million units, getting the studio partnership and help from Sony and Microsoft; Normally Nintendo could have made some bs legal claim of copyright, but they already stuck their balls in the vice by signing off on every design... so they went and did the most petty shit imaginable to sue them anyway rather than just accepting the self-inflicted L.
Okay how did Pokemon get those pattens if all of this is in Far Cry Primal. You can throw a variety of objects at things. You can use several creatures as mounts. You can capture/tame most creatures outside of battle. So how the fuck is Pokemon special? FCP came out in the early 2010's if not late 2000's (IDR off the top of my head).
@@gatokawaii3996 that's still completely irrelevant amount of money. And it's on purpose - to make it tempting offer for developers to cease Palworld development. Because on top of that insignificant amount of money (comparing to what Pocketpair earned) they demand to stop Palworld sales. So this case is like "okay we'll let you keep all the monies you got so far under condition that you stop doing what you're doing". And if you think about it for a while and consider how much they already made on Palworld - that's pretty tempting offer to accapt. Nintendo did that on purpose bc they knew Pocketpair would never accept this offer if they demanded idk 160 mln usd or sth. But here they literally gave them choice between "simply" ceasing Palworld and everyone happily walks away in one piece or continuing Palworld and entering lawsuit warfare with tech giant where they may loose LOTS of monies in court expenses. Pretty tough choice ngl and for indie dev who may not be sure if Palworld IP 'sticks' long-term it may seem like good idea to accept Nintendo terms. They're already rich after all, why risk loosing it all now? It's very manipulative offer from Nintendo.
They kinda Stpd. they given a chance to buy the game before but they declined it. And now when palworld become popular they try to lawsuit their *ss when the players are down to 5 digits they sure know when to hit. if they could just make better games than the small studio who made palworld. then this woudnt happen. and there is a whole world out there of games to explore than the crappy pixelated unpolished game of theirs. no offence. this is just my take.
Thing is about patents, the company that holds them doesn't actually have to have fully utilized what the patent is for to still hold the rights to them. In many cases patents aren't even fully used by the original owners but are essentially rented out to other entities for a small royalty. Basically other companies exchange a small fee to not have to do all the extra work the original patent owner did to make the patent and in many cases patents are used as a supplemental funding source (RCA was a very good example of a company that, while they did make electronics probably made more from the royalties of the patents they made). So if Nintendo is sueing do to patents there is a pretty good chance that the coding that runs the commands is copied or there was an agreement that they would pay royalties and are now backing out of it. Because unlike copyright, patents have a very distinct set of stipulations that define them. If they had figured out a way to code those command promts on their own way (why these features are in other games that don't use the patents or possiblyare and just don't disclose that they pay the royalties for use of those features) then the lawsuit would have been thrown out immediately. The fact that it is a patent lawsuit does kind of give a bit more weight then them just saying "they stole models"... It would be interesting to see the specific patents that are being disputed because that is where the details would be.
What's even more ridiculous is if you take a look a japan and you see the japanese SIMPING HARD FOR NINTENDO. But wait, we can go even more ridiculous ! You could understood nintendo is a nationnal fierty of japana than they love nintendo games blablabla...but no, they way they defend nintendo is as insane as nintendo itself! I think I have a very simple illustration : Nintendo the Yakuza try to sucker punch Palworld, and the passerbys call palworld A BELLIGERANT INSOLANT for daring trying to block the incoming punch with their arms. And if you think i'm exagerating, i'm not (when i've said "belligerant" I litteraly quoted some fans own words), they're really treating nintendo like a god-king who should be bowed down if they declare someone had wronged them.
nintendo are such ass, I almost wanna shut down their entire servers if they ever decide to shutdown palworld for their fricken petiness selfish endless ego madness
@@gatokawaii3996 The thing that a lot of people are overlooking is that this lawsuit ONLY affects Japanese game devs, so Nintendo can't go after someone like Ark or Minecraft, or Halo, or any other western series with these bullshit patents. The ONLY reason Nintendo were able to go after Pal World to begin with is because they, Nintendo, are abusing Japanese patent laws to attempt to remove a competitor from the industry, however I am a firm believe that even if Nintendo wins this suit it only works in their favor as long as pocketpair remains in Japan. Let's say PocketPair moved to somewhere where Nintendo has no power like say, Brazil. Nintendo can't do shit to stop them at that point. The ONLY reason PocketPair is put in the crosshairs is because it's a Japanese company just like Nintendo.
That's rich coming from Nintendo considering the whole way of transporting Pokemon was done earlier by Tsubaraya productions. Namely in the Ultraman series, in Ultraseven the titular Seven has these things called Capsule Monsters. Kaiju that help him out (to varied degrees) once he opens up the capsules they are contained inside. Originally Pokemon were supposed to be called Capsule Monsters but Tsubaraya beat them to it by decades. So by their logic, Tsubaraya could technically sue everyone with Nintendo included.
ARK run before they notice you have all of thar and stole pokeballs. (Fun fact the cryo pods were made because a devs kid said "dad it would be cool if this game had pokeballs")
See, this is exactly what PalWorld did (I know PoketPair had another game before this one) it was just inspired by Pokemon. All they wanted was to be recognized by the ones who inspired them, but this is not a dream 😢
Palworld is not a competitor to Pokemon, the game doesn't even really copy pokemon. This the creatures in this game are a parody of Pokemon. This doesn't "Steal" from Pokemon any more than Spaceballs stole from Star Wars. Is our culture so copyrighted obsessed we don't even think Parody is ok anymore?
Copyright shouldn't be so strict, should it? I think palworld's expressions are tasteless, but they should be protected by law. Many Japanese people are particularly obsessed with Pokemon. I think it's because there has been no competition for so long, but cute monsters are Pokemon, and anything else is considered fake. I think this is the result of Pokemon's excellent business practices. At the same time, it seems like people are half-brainwashed...
Sure but if they get the "win" they can then use it to hammer Palworld if they keep infringing on the same items as well as use the lawsuit and the win against all the other games you listed.
I have a question. I found information in Japan that says "Nintendo has also applied for this patent in the US and has already received it." Is this true? I don't know how to read US patents, so I don't know if their patent application has been approved or rejected. All I know is that the application has been submitted. Can someone check and let me know?
The fact that this lawsuit is even possible is terrifying. Legal actions always have a chilling effect on activity and creativity within a certain space as people start focusing more on avoiding legal action. Aside from that, the fact that a decision with consequences as big as this essentially goes down to how one easily corruptible judge feels is insane.
Yeah this drained any worry I had that this lawsuit would actually succeed, even if pocketpair somehow can manage to lose the case they can easily afford it
No, Pocketpair can't afford it. What people talking about this lawsuit keep ignoring is the fact Nintendo is looking to get an injunction against Palworld. In Japan an injunction is a court order to stop selling a product. So if Nintendo wins then no more Palworld.
I am crossing my fingers for nintendo to loose this lawsuit; to me it seems they are doing this trying to set some legal BS so they can use it as reference in future lawsuits. what is worse about the lawsuit is that they are suing retroactively and the patents they are using to sue were granted to nintendo months after palworld launch, so that makes me think that nintendo is the one doing something wrong; the ones with a bad behavior are them and makes me think they somehow stole something from palworld; ¿how come the patents are for game content that existed in palworld before the patents were granted?. this all makes me think nintendo somehow is one despicable company.
This is exactly what they are doing. If Nintendo wins. Every major gaming company will start drawing patents for gaming concepts, and the lawsuit wars will begin. The fact that Nintendo made those patents within the last 6 months shows that if they work games, they could go back and start lawsuits with games from the start of time for very open gaming concepts. On top of this gaming company's will basicly have to start paying for the use of these concepts and that will basicly choke out indie game development due to lack of funding and bring game creation and development to a stand still. I hope they don't win.
Has Nintendo sued Temtem yet, just curious. Not that the mechanics aren't in MANY other games but I would consider them also in similar danger. Palworld was hailed as "Pokemon with guns" and Temtem was similarly nicknamed (though making less noise than Palworld) as "Pokemon as an MMO".
I'm not sure if the second patent's description applies, I found rather that it concerns the circumstances of the battle than being able to capture creatures in a wild. I want to make it clear that I think patents for game mechanics should not be granted to anyone at all and it's a horrible tactic made by companies to discourage other people from drawing inspiration from the companies' games in order for them to get rid of possible competition. That said, since the patents do exist, I do not think based on their descriptions that the reasonings given are actually nonsensical, as the patents are very specific: The item that the player uses to throw and affect the wild creature is also described to be an item which causes the creature to disappear from the field and become owned by the player upon contact, as well as allowing the player to use the same item to release the creature back into the environment and then use the creature to battle other creatures encountered. The item allowing for the creature acquisition mechanic is actually the central part of this argument, as its functions are very specific. Same goes for creature transportation. I haven't looked into it enough to determine whether or not them bringing extra arguments into the lawsuit was a good move since riding creatures depending on their habitat is not original, but rather the fact that these are creatures specifically captured and owned by the player in such a way is what matters. I am honestly not sure about that. But either way, Palworld's case is not the same as some other games', because the mechanic functions practically identically, except for everything happening in real-time whereas Pokemon is turn-based. This is not the same as saying a game like Witcher is copying Pokemon because you can ride horses, or Horizon Zero Dawn because you can throw rocks at the machines and it is also not the same as the countless monster collector/battler games having monster collection mechanics if their ways of creature acquisition is different from this. Once again, it's a horrible practice, but this is what we're working with and I figured I'd share my thoughts based on what I found because I see many people simplifying the argument down to something so indistinguishable from common game mechanics that it sounds utterly ridiculous and unreal what Nintendo is saying with this.
Oh no it gets worse, this is a Patent lawsuit, These 3 things are Patents they are being sued for. Worst thing? These patents were filed *AFTER PALWORLD CAME OUT*.
No they weren't. That's the US filing date. The original Japanese patents were filed back in 2021. There are plenty of legitimate reasons this lawsuit is stupid, so please don't muddy the waters with misinformation.
@@Abion47 except it lists both Japanese and united states filing dates. It specifically lists those three as Japanese filing dates too, because in the united states this sourt of patent would get you laughed out of the office. So, no, this isn't miss-information. I do, however, agree there are plenty of other reasons why the lawsuit is stupid, like the fact that it should just straight up not be possible to file game mechanics as patents of any type, anywhere, ever, for any reason.
@@thatguydownthestreat They are Japanese patents and this is a Japanese lawsuit that will play out in Japanese courts. The date of the American filing of those patents are entirely irrelevant to the actual legal facts of the case. And yes, those Japanese patents were filed before Palworld came out, so saying otherwise is in fact misinformation.
@@thatguydownthestreat And while I agree patenting game mechanics shouldn't be legal, an actual legally relevant reason the patent is bullshit is that even if the patents were filed before Palworld was released, it was after Craftopia was released which was PocketPair's last game that had the exact same mechanics.
@@Abion47 Do you have a source? Because I'm talking about the Japanese patent's filing dates for patents JP-7545191 (JAPANESE patent application filed: 7/30/2024), JP-7493117 (JAPANESE Patent application filed: 02/26/2024), and JP-7528390 (JAPANESE patent application filed 03/05/2024), when Palworld was released 01/19/2024. The patents that Palworld has stated they are being sued for infringing upon.
If they win this case, it sets a very dangerous precedent on the entire industry, you could just patent a very broad game mechanic just sue everyone that somewhat looks like they’re using it
the way the "patent" is described, nintendo could technically sue skyrim for riding a horse, or any other game that you could ride a creature, or drive a car, fly a plane, etc..
The reason for this lawsuit, from what I heard...was because Sony has taken Pocketpair in. This apparently isn't a lawsuit about Pokemon and Palworld. This is apparently a law battle between Sony and Nintendo
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If Nintendo can actually win a Lawsuit like this.
It is opening them up to being sued themselves by other Studios for patenting their original work.
Exactly it will be: I won but at what cost...
I actually hope these other studios do that when Nintendo and the pokemon company is doing this. Might make then reconsider what they are doing.
unless those studios are big as well, they aint winnin, coz nintendo can just smack their faces with their pocket change. lmao.
@@zigrakudo4092 but how would Nintendo act if ALL of them gang up on them. One no problem all of them at once... well that might (key word might) change things.
this is not how japanese law works, the concept of precedents does not exist
Fun fact: PocketPair actually had Nintendo's Lawyers check out Pal World before launch, and were given the green light.
Not coming after you for this, but could you provide a source for this? I really wanna see this 🤣🤣
@@XacAnon I'd have to do some digging, but I remember PocketPair mentioning on their discord about a week or so before
Palworld launched that Nintendo's Lawyers were invited over to survey the game for themselves and they gave the game the greenlight.
Now if this is true, then this could cripple Nintendo's entire case, which is why I'm betting the amount is so low because Nintendo knows they could be in deep shit if that is brought up, even in a Japanese court.
I believe this is true as both are Japanese companies and Japanese copyright laws are even more retarded than our own here in the US, so I'd believe PocketPair invited the lawyers over to cover all their bases.
@@megaman37456 I hope they also recorded footage of it. Imagine the expressions on Nintendo's lawyers faces when they realize they have physical video proof that they gave them permission to make the game, and told them they were in the clear from being sued! Probably the same one Disney's lawyers get on their faces when they're about to take a massive loss!
@@19TheFallen If we could get video footage of the faces of Nintendo's lawyers in that situation, I would play it every night before bed.
Nintendo has a vendetta against Sony due to something Sony was trying to do to Nintendo back when they were a smaller company. Sony struck a deal with Pocketpair and given the timing it's most likely just against Sony.
it does not make nintendo look evil and petty. nintendo is evil and petty
Could not have said it better myself. Honestly the only people at Nintendo I EVER feel bad for are the ones who actually program the games, imagine being such a great game designer bogged down by such an ass backwards thinking company.
@@megaman37456 Fr, I bet the designer goes to the boss like "I have this great new idea for a Pokemon game that I'm sure the children will love." and I would assume the boss would just outright turn them down and say "Not gonna happen. You will remake the same game concepts for the next 10 years or you're out the door."
@@Fireblaze40rblx "this game is for children and you can beat it with the starting pokemon without even evolving it"
But sir don't people want a dark souls like pokemon game for a change at least once every 20 years?
"No make the same game again for the 30th time"
Their legal department certainly is. But their developers are some of the few you can still trust to not screw over gamers or instill gambling addictions in kids.
To be fair, their legal actions are petty and evil. I believe their developer teams couldn’t care less
The amount of the lawsuit is unimportant in this case. Nintendo is suing to create "Precedent", a legal "leg to stand on" for future lawsuits. If they win there will be a legal case they can point at for future lawsuits that involve those ridiculously vague terms and it would be a near instant win for them every time. I hope they lose immediately, they have become so corrupt its almost insane.
I was just about to write this myself. You worded it better than I was going to.
Not only lose, but lose BIG TIME! Like "So? You tried to abuse the patent system to take out your competition by submitting those patents AFTER they made their game? Yeah, prepare to be the ones paying THEM some money, only it's gonna be an amount that makes the $66,000 you were suing them for look like the loose change someone hoards in their car's cupholder!" big!
Only in Japan will it be as no other country would give these clowns the time of day for such a stupid lawsuit.
Was just thinking about the same thing. This lawsuit is only the start
@@davidpowers9178 little do you know that the game is rigged
You missed a point of the lawsuit that is most important: not the sum they sue for, but the fact that nintendo wants them to stop selling the game AT ALL!
Which won't work outside of Japan. Nintendo doesn't have the power to shut the game down globally. And if pocketpair decides "Fuck you" they can move out of Japan to somewhere like say...Brazil where Nintendo has NO power and continue selling the game from there.
@@megaman37456 if i were them i would do that ... and then post that its nintendos fault japan cant have good things ... and if they get sued for defamation just lay the facts on the court room that what they said DID happen
@@megaman37456 As i Brazilian, i can confirm that it would be an effective place for Pocketpair(outside the huge taxes but that will be pocket money compared to the much money they would get). A proof its the sucess of Brazil Green Steam: The Hydra.
Their basically owned by Sony not a chance in hell their going to move out of the reach of Japanese law
Also what Nintendo is trying to defend indirectly is the pokemon trademark they don't want people calling things that are not pokemon pokemon or nicknaming something that looks like Pikachu evil Pikachu if the names become generic they absolutely can loose their rights to theam theirs actually at least one company I know of that lost the rights to their company name that way
So you're telling me, Nintendo is suing Palworld......for something that 99% of rpg games do? Red Dead 2 has horses you can ride, will they get sued too? In Bully you can aim and throw items at enemies to trigger a combat state. No, I don't think it's about the patents either. I think Nintendo has an issue with someone doing a different take on Pokemon and are showing up Nintendo with their 30 year old game which only in the last decade went 3D, but still remains mostly unchanged. Can we just agree that Pokemon has been stale for the longest time and needed Palworld for competition?
From my understanding, palworld has a lot of similarities in terms on how pals and Pokémon are being caught. Example being in Pokémon legends Arceus you can throw and catch Pokémon without being in battle and even get back bonus such as increasing the chances of catching said Pokémon, palworld has that similar if not the same thing as well. And what they could possibly mean with riding something, it’s could be how it works. Example being when you use a certain flying type for Pokémon, you can glide throughout the map, and palworld has pals that can do the same but as different types. Idk about how the throwing patent could go, but no body likes patents. Red dead 2 they won’t sue mainly because it isn’t exactly Pokémon. Yes you can ride the horse but you aren’t going around to catching other people horses. Plus they are both completely different games. Don’t get it twisted as in I’m defending them, I’m just getting out a more better understanding of their lawsuit rather then just pointing out other games. I still think patents are the most dumbest things and ruins gaming but it’s there. It may result to seeing either them paying them the fine, shutting down their game in Japan, or the game altogether (if that becomes the worst case scenario).
Actually, I think Nintendo should've stuck with their old formula for Pokémon since they're clearly failing miserably at the whole open world thing. At least you could *checks notes * enter stores in which you buy items in previous games. If they can't commit to the new ideas and actually execute them well, they might as well do the stale old thing but do it well. Or, I don't know, stop restricting access and usability of their old, good games
@@Crispy_-_855ye but pokemon had it too good for too long jk but really the problem is they are doing this in the intent to get their way with anything and as they are incredibly vague it causes the sense it could spread to anything / if they somehow win the case it will be the worst thing ever cuz there won't be new games cuz people will copyright even walking /is the same problem when someone wanted to patent the sun ( or the moon or a planet dunno Wich one ) but is dumb
Read what the patent actually is, not what the BS channel is claiming. Nearly everything in this video of incorrect.
@@n1nj4l1nk people have to do more research on patent laws. I’m still having an understanding of them.
You missed the other part of what they are suing for. The money *is* pocket change to both companies, but they are also demanding *injunction*. Aka Palworld must seize using those patents or be taken down completely.
Yeah, that injunction won't fly.
They want Palworld out of Japan.
Which makes perfect sense. Change the infringing aspects and you're free to go
So either take away core aspect gameplay or not have a game at all?
@@anna-flora999 There ARE NO INFRINGING ASPECTS! The lawsuit is bullshit. It's literally just Nintendo acting like the petulant children they are.
Oh, that's not the worst of it. All of the patents Pocketpair is being accused of violating were filed at least a month AFTER Palworld was released to the public. :3
Well if it isn’t the Japanophobe coward.
I rhink it's actually an older patent that is then split into subpatents which uses the filing date of the parent patent.
@@Boss949 If that's true, that's also scummy. It's like they're trying to triple the charges to be vindictive. X(
@@Unknown_User174 Wtf are you guys even blabbering about anymore???????
Yeah, basically the Big patent was approved, but this "child" patents became the problems ones, the stupidest part is that nintendo actually didnt do anything before, when nintendo fanboys (because lets be real nintendo fan is a thing and the ones that did this is other breed) started to scream that nintendo defend your Game!! Nintendo palworld is using your models!!! And all of that nintendo didnt move a inch, and this on release with the mechanic that now are "problematic" still on, so nintendo wasted the moment of demand them, created this stupid stuff and now is trying to stop the sells of palword
meaning that palworld can ask why ark is not being sued
bc ark dont allow to cryopod wild dinos, all 3 things need to be doable with the same "device" and you tame dinos with tranqs first then cryopod them
(*misspells)(the 3 things are 1.capturing enemies, 2.realesing them as allays, 3.using them to fight or ride)
@@redacted3742 dont even need tranqus. just blunt force trauma works as well
@@redacted3742 you're both dumb, and a bootlicker.
go home shill
@redacted3742
What do you mean by cryo and tranks? The reason I am asking is because I legitimately don't know what you are talking about. As well as the fact you just said that ARK doesn't cryo but does allow you to cryo.
I saw in another video another wording for the "throw something" patent, Ark is safe because you dont throw the cryo. But they are not safe when its about mounts. But I dont think Nintendo have plans against them tho, they want to stop pocketpair for working with Sony (play station). Palworld was left alone until they did this. They created the patents this same year to sue palworld for them. Or thats what ive been seeing on videos recently. Not an expert on the topic by anymeans.
Funny thing is, the game pocket pair made before palworld used those mechanics and was released BEFORE pokemon legends of arceus
I was looking for this comment. Yes! This makes everything even wlder and more disgusting and petty from nintendos side!
Pocket pair should counter sue for ip infringement
So in short: Nintendo STOLE ideas from Pocketpair's Craftopia 2020, claimed them as their own (patented) in 2021 (also put them in their Pokemon game of same year) and now suing Pocketpair for STEALING of patented ideas for Palworld 2024 which THEY THEMSELF STOLE from Pocketpair's game of 2020.
Palworld is just Craftopia with more Mock-émon sprinkled in it to draw attention.
Craftopia? Funny how they ignore the precursor of palworld but chose to attack palworld instead and within months of it existing
Yeah, it indeed is quite stupid, considering to add onto this, that "mount" patent that they're goin for, is somethin that games like World of Warcraft, Red Dead, Monnster Hunter, etc. have already done. There's also the very vauge "injunction against Palworld" Nintendo has in there too, along with "plus damages" ontop of the 60k.
yeah it’s whack
But these are just..general game mechanics? I guess Nintendo can sue Ubisoft if/when the Black Flag remaster comes out because we throw harpoons at sea creatures.
Or what about gunsmoke 1985?, it does all of the above.
Resident evil 4 through harpoons at sea monsters before black flag does mean capcom sue Ubisoft by Nintendo logic
Fun fact, we always knew it was a patent suit, not a copyright suit. Pocketpair specifically said it when the suit was filed, even if we never knew what patents it was.
Second fun fact, all of the patents being sued for in palworld is ALSO in Pocketpair's other game, Craftopia. Edit: That came out several years prior to Palworld
Third fun fact, all the patents they are suing for were approved after the release of Palworld
It's still scummy and gameplay mechanics shouldn't ever patented
@tobyzilla Absolutely. There is zero reason this should be happening right now.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who still try to say Palworld is being sued for copyright infringement. Can you guess which horse they’re betting on?
and dont forget these patents weren't filed until AFTER nintendo sued palworld.
You know what also infringes those three patents?
From top of my head..
Red Dead Redemption. You can shoot a gun/throwing anything, Capture creatures in wild (alive is not specified) and ride creatures.
Yeaaah, if this lawsuit is won by Nintendo, that means they got the legwork to sue pretty much any game if they want.
Japan has been in this situation for a long time. Blind Nintendo fans believe that big companies like Nintendo hold a lot of patents and keep the order. And Palworld is disrupting the order, so they want the hero Nintendo to defeat it.
Some Japanese people realize that this is abnormal, but they are overwhelmingly few...
Just a little context, Palworld is heavily backed by SONY. And if you know anything about that, you know that Nintendo and Sony have a lot of beef. 0:25
It does make sense. Palworld sold 5x the lifetime of the prior pokemon game that has been out for years within ONE MONTH and thats not counting subscription player counts. Nintendo is acting like a Mafia. Satisfactory was released well before any of these patents and they include similar actions that would supersede the patent. Palworld has been publicly in development for 5 years, Nintendo should've sent a cease and desist a LONG time ago. The concept that you can patent something and RETROACTIVELY apply it is extremely dangerous and I hope it fails on merit, with prejudice so the norm is set that this won't be allowed again.
This lawsuit has sweeping ramifications for the industry if they succeed.
"Nintendo is acting like a Mafia." Fitting, given their Yakuza ties......
You do realize Scarlet Violet sold 25 million and Palworld only sold 8 million the first month and 15 over lifetime. I’m not going to debate the other parts, but that first bit is wildly wrong
@@Drago-957 palworld sold 25 millions the first month
Still true it's clearly not X5 scarlet and violet sales
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But it's sitll above scarlet and violet
@@ballom29 ah my bad, I only saw the steam numbers and forgot it was on other platforms as well
As a graphic designer with a basic understanding of how copyright works for assets, Nintendo has pretty much no ground to stand on for claims that anything was stolen. All the designs are different enough to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Inspired yes, but stolen no. Nintendo’s only hope is to lock down a definition of their gameplay loop and claim that as intellectual property.
But the main gameplay loop of Pokemon is already present in many other creature taming games that have existed for almost a decade now, not even that is enough to stand
@ yeah I agree with you there. But if they make their definition specific enough they may have a small amount of ground to stand on in the eyes of the law. The main issue with that is if it is too specific it would be trivial to make adjustments to Palworld and make Gamefreak’s argument obsolete and if they are too broad (like its looking like now) then they don’t really have any ground to stand on as there are many examples that already use all those gameplay elements.
@@lego_minifigThe problem is that they literally just can't. They can't even define what a Pokemon is because most of them take inspiration from myth and lore, any not only from Japan's history but OTHER cultures. The whole company is a joke to patents.
@@defectiveparts8604 that is another issue entirely and I completely agree. You cant claim ownership of anything inspired by a real life animal or anything in the public domain (myth and historical lore included). When I mention defining I am more talking about the gameplay mechanics and how they interact with one another.
As an example, I am a typographer. I cannot copyright any letters or glyphs I design as the idea of letterforms are in the public domain and owned by everyone. Any ownership of the concept of letters would stifle innovation so it is not permitted. I can however copyright the font (the code) as my decisions of how I spaced the letterforms and how all the glyphs interact with one another is a unique interpretation.
This situation is similar to the Nintendo situation. Nintendo would need to argue that the way their mechanics interact with one another is unique to them. They cannot own the idea of tamable monsters on its own, but if they have enough interacting mechanics that are unique to them alone then they could try and claim ownership of that concept. I don’t believe that have enough ground to stand on in this regard, but they certainly will try.
They are not suing for theft because there was no theft.
Yeah but pokemon fans have a bias that refuses to let them see it any sort of similarities even something stupid like same animal is enough for them to claim rip off
No legally viable theft
Yep somebody actually admitted they made false evidence that they stole assets because "hurting animals bad"
@@SergioLeRoux The evidence of model theft is real. Anyone can compare the models by themselves. Stop lying.
They did and it was proven it wasn't so stop fabricating bs lies.
I'm baffled at "riding creatures in an open world, and transitioning between those creatures" it's litterally describing a mount. This means any games where you can ride horses or any fantasy creatures would get sued.
Ubisoft should sue for climbing towers to unlock maps.
...i think i've heard that one before ... i think they actually did that with Horizon zero dawn
@@Schproemftell And Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, and Shadow of War
Makes even less sense when you realize that Pocket Pair had already did this before Palword with Craftopia I think it's called!
Yup and craftopia came out in 2020 and palworld was meant to be released in 2021 but was postponed to move from unity to unreal engine for the game. They did game play and everything in 2020 and 2021 way before pokemon Arceus came out. This shows how pathetic and petty Nintendo is. They need to step down on this but sadly this is Japan law so they will do some illegal petty money under the table to find was to win this case or if not continue to harass pocketpair with more nonsense court case till they lose because it gets very expensive and Nintendo has a bank load to do it
@@outlawstar2090 Unfortunately Japanese patent law is "first to file", Nintendo doing this sets a very bad precedence going forward and will likely start a chain of other scummy developers filing mechanic patents on their competitors regardless of who was first. Unrelated side note, I love Outlaw Star.
@XxXCinereousXxX thanks and again because of how Japanese law is so broken there Nintendo will do everything they can to win it no matter what. They got the money and will pay under the table for the judge to do a blind eye on this case but if willing if the judge is not that way and it's being fair then this will give pocketpair a advantage on this lawsuit. We won't know till the court date hits.
The first of the three just made all shooters in violation of Nintendo's patent including arrows and the like because bullets and such are "items." Riding mechanics are in most games and now they are patenting that? These patents basically attack most games on the market. Someone in their legal department needs to get their head checked. From what I understand they connected these three things to patents they already have in order to be able to retroactively go after palworld.
Whoever granted these patent applications also need to get fired and barred from working in the field ever again.
on behalf of nintendo
i will formally become a shareholder for them just to show their legal teams videos of games that include patent infringing contents (animals]
Even the original super mario brothers game violates said patent about throwing/releasing an item towards an actor in a field... it's nuts.
“Inspiration” is not stealing and they are different enough in appearance, for one thing. Nintendo needs to be taught a lesson, for everything they’ve done. Especially when it comes to emulators…
Ironically enough, the Pokemons devs admitted that Pokemon was ACTUALLY inspired by other previous monster RPG games lmfao
@@moisesezequielgutierrez Yeah, like Shin Megami Tensei
yea i tell that to everyone i see saying about "stealing characters" and it gets annoying, people like to say characters are stolen when they're just "animal but..." and some of the characters arent even the same species
then with game mechanics it should just be wrong to patent an entire mechanic, that's why we cant have evolving, living enemies thanks to shadow of mordor
Especially when it comes to the monster tamer genre, tired of them abusing the competition.
here is the kicker: these patents only fly in Japan. in the US it would be very hard to pursue them and win in a court of law. Hell, you would probably get laughed out of court for even attempting such a thing. Here's the other thing, a lawyer recently looked into all this. he came to the conclusion that Nintendo's feathers got ruffled by Pocketpair and SONY Music (yes SONY Music, not Playstation. they are different branches of the same company. and music even has (or used to have at least) it's own game development division.) making a business deal recently They are scared because it would shine a light on things and possibly sully Nintendo's image to be seen as similar to a game with more mature themes like Palworld. This terrifies them because it means they have to either adapt and make their games better or accept another company is beating them in the same market niche. They clearly have never had this kind of competition from another monster taming game before and they don't know how to handle it. so their goal is to eliminate the competition and set an example so no other companies ever try something like this again.
Also, am I the only one who's noticed the pattern where after the CEO that replaced Iwata took over, Nintendo has been purusing litigation against developers and third party groups on a more regular basis now? This new guy seems to be the same style of old '"no fun allowed" tightwad fart Nintendo had in the 90's. Too out of touch with the times and wanting to hold onto things to keep them from changing.
Since these patents only fly in Japan, Pocketpair COULD take the easy way out and move to the US, though the patent suit would still be active in Japan and, if they lose, they could lose the Japanese market but still be able to keep the rest of the markets theoretically. Though, I am not a japanese lawyer and there could be some problem with doing all I just said that I don't know about. Besides, with the way things are now in the states, it would be difficult, let alone a bad move, for a bunch of Japanese people to adjust to a new life here in America, (let alone all the other compicated things they would need to do to get US citizenship, housing, etc)
Nintendo broke so many honor codes and other law's yet Japan will let it slide as long they get money off from Nintendo which wouldn't surprise me for how corrupt they are even in daily life as well.
Language is also a huge barrier. In spite of English being a mandatory part of their education, hardly anyone actually speaks it on any level, let alone a functional level
@sevenember3332 tell that with LG company that came here to build factory and other companies with pure Koreans speaking their language and hire mostly people that can translate both English and Korean language. As long the companies got the money it's not that difficult to move to a different country to move their business. But as of right now pocketpair can't leave nor move their companies outside of Japan yet till the court is settled and even if they do move it will be bad for business doing that and the law will force them to come back till everything is settled.
Iirc patent lawsuits are frowned on in Japan, I believe Nintendo has even talked other companies out of them because its is seen as such a petty/stupid thing to do.
It made sense when another comp tried to patent the touch screen, while the ds was in its early days. But this coming from Nintendo is BS.
well isn't that ironic & hypocritical af
there are so many games that use a transition between a mount and anything. Also, the patents were updated after palworld came out. so they are trying to sue retroactively.
My favorite example of total bullshit Nintendo could do if they win is sue Rockstar because Red dead redemption has mountable horses, this technically applies two of the three patents.
I think this lawsuit was probably more or less Nintendo just doing it to say they sued them to shut up all the Pokemon fans that were complaining about Palworld, it was honestly a horrendous display by Fans on YT, Twitter and other platforms, But if they are doing it to be petty than i also agree they are more than likely Intimidated by Palworlds success because they haven't had any other competitors, making it much easier for them to release the exact same game again and again with literal changes that include story and nothing else, but they were making millions off it. What i think is weird is if those things are qualified as Suing material then why is Nintendo Ignoring "TemTem, Cassette Beasts, Tretramon Card Shop Sim (Directly challenges pokemon card collecting), Anterris (being developed still but relevantly similar to Arceus legends), those 4 games are all closer in relevance to being similar to Pokemon than Palword, but Palworld is making money, so they got targeted. . . The Current Bigwigs of Nintendo need to get off the couch and actually improve Pokemon instead of trying to **** block an entire genre because they want to earn money without doing the work.
2:40 they started using ridable pokemon in sun and moon i think with pokeride...but mounts existed for a long time in like 1000 games especially in MMOs or survival games in general
and even before that spinoff game pokemon ranger guardian signs
@ is rangers older? But still mounts aren’t unique in anyway so wtf Nintendo
You can also, you know, ride horses in real life.
Bro based off these 99% of games just became illegal
they just can't stand that pokemon has competition
I don't think Pokemon should be the only ones dominating the world of monster taming games.
Nintendo understands that to some extent, and they tolerate some Pokemon-like games, which coexist on the Switch.
They should explain why they're suing only Palworld.
Maybe it's because they made too much money, or they teamed up with Sony, or maybe it's because the designs are too similar to Pokemon.
We'll never know.
Whatever reason Nintendo has for suing its rivals, it's unreasonable for them not to share with the world the boundaries they're taking with their actions.
It's terrible that people have to make games while fearing sanctions from countless patents.
@@Omid-v7d you said it, the reason they are suing is because Palworld is successful. And the fact they aren't suing for copyright or trademark infringement proves they can't because if they could they absolutely would.
Which is incredibly strange because Pokemon has had competition for DECADES, Shin MEgami Tensei, Persona, Digimon, Monster Hunter: Stories, I could go on
@@webpombo7765 but none of them saw the level of success Palworld is now enjoying
@@webpombo7765 Except Digimon had been actively sabotaged by Nintendo for over a decade. You think this fight started with Palworld? This is just Toei VS TPC part 2. Everyone knows Digimon is a better game, that's why we didn't get the latest release in English, it coincided with a Pokemon release.
I've been keeping a weather eye on this and it's honestly best described as 'corporate warfare.' The patents that are all being referenced were approved AFTER Palworld launched, so honestly there should be no legal leg to stand on in court seeing as if anything, Nintendo's trying to steal from Pocket Pair and not the other way around.
The point that should be focused on is that Nintendo only started gearing up its lawyers AFTER Pocket Pair partnered with Sony and made the push to make Palworld a serious competitor franchise. Before that they seemed like they couldn't care less despite the heavy surge in popularity.
The end goal is likely to set legal precedent so that they can keep hammering down on Pocket Pair and anyone else trying to compete with Pokemon in a serious sense, hence why the 'damages' being pursued is so laughably low. They can use it to try to force Pocket Pair to settle out of court since it would be much cheaper, then strong-arm them into other things from there since while settling wouldn't necessarily set precedence, it is in a way an admission of guilt regardless of whether Pocket Pair did anything wrong or not.
Either way, this is disgusting and anti-competition. I can't really cheer for either side though, since thanks to the partnership it's really more Nintendo vs. Sony. Nintendo's been letting GameFreak be run into the ground for ages at this point, creating sub-par experiences and slowly nickel and diming fans, while Sony's profit first quality never mentality makes me deeply nervous about the prospect of THEM getting a serious competitor to go against Pokemon with even if they're going to be hands off about it.
I just don't see either outcome as being wholly good for us, I'm just hoping Palworld doesn't get crushed in the process.
soooo in summary:
Nintendo is trying to copyright the Concept of 1)Throwing 2)Capturing/BeingNiceToFeralCreatures 3)HorsebackRiding... these 3 things are do'able IRL & imo have no grounds for copyright'ing
Oh no, they already HAVE the copyright on those things. Nintendo filed for those copyrights AFTER Palworld came out and got them pushed through the approvel process in record time just so they could sue an indie company that made a better monster catcher game than what Nintendo managed in decades.
@@vojtechstepanek7145 Not copyright, patents, two VERY different things.
@@megaman37456 Ohshituright.
Did nintendo sue ark too? You can "capture" characters on the field and mount them in it
Highly unlikely.
Unlike Palworld's... "Pals", Ark's monsters look too realistic to be mistaken for Pokémon.
@@xientau9028 The lawsuits has absolutely nothing to do with visuals of the pals its all about the game mechanics.
@@quantumfang2185 Yeah, but without the similarities, the court case wouldn't attract any attention from the crowd, so we'd never hear about it.
@@xientau9028 That's nothing to do with this lawsuit, visuals and sounds don't matter
Nintendo is suing over game mechanics that all games that exist have. These patents allow them to sue everyone and end Indie game development in Japan.
Everyone going forward will have to pay Nintendo to make games, and it won't be a small amount of money.
@@xientau9028 Thats irrelevant.
Nintendo NEEDED this competition with Pokemon. They've been so damn unoriginal lately, the stuff gets boring. And the best thing they ever came out with.....Colosseum and XD they refuse to ever replicate and improve on for some odd reason. I'm hoping they'll start offering better looking Pokemon than the crap they been offering, be able to play occasional adult characters instead of children, be able to create our characters instead of being forced into a certain mold, better clothing options (those school clothes were the worst!). Being able to ride or fly on a Pokemon would be cool! There's just so much they can do, they been dropping the ball on, just to stay with the same ol' same ol' and just relying on dumb gimmicks. Palworld proved they could do so much more. Maybe it'll shake those cobwebs away and actually do something more creative for a change.
i took a look myself, the capture mechanic isn't included in the lawsuits the first one is targeting reticle and firing a projectile at the target, the next is NPC pathfinding and the final one is game physics
Basically:
1: every game ever made.
2: every game ever made.
3: every game ever made.
Wait wtf, they’re not even using the only lawsuit that they may actually stand a chance on?
@@durakeno5575 They are basically suing for game mechanics featured in every game that exists.
No idea how and why Japan allowed them to get these patents this year AFTER pal world came out. But Nintendo thinks they can own stuff like Fall Damage in games.
@@Goremize nintendo wants to monopolize game creation entirely?
@@JNJNRobin1337 Yep. and if they win, the entire industry is fucked.
Nintendo hates INDIE games, they allow them into their platforms because they have no choice.
But this show how they'd use their patents to destroy anyone who dares to cast the tiniest shadown into their IP in competition.
Hope INDIE devs start not publishong on their platforms anymore if Nintendo wins this
They don’t hate indie devs that’s a load of BS. If they hated them they wouldn’t have these indie showcases stop spreading misinformation.
Yeah that's why Toby Fox participated both in Smash and Pokemon lol
@@LuigiMaster4 Remember they had to change their INDIE policies on Switch because they totall F up on Wii U.
They know they need them but actually don't like it if an indie is popular enough on other platforms to overshadow their franchises.
@@NL-XEven tho he has no unique moveset because he's just a skin, it is crazy that Sans is in Smash at all. It still sounds fake, even tho it's been years.
@@NL-X Remember! Undertale was PC exclusive and went into Switch after Playstation due to demand.
Same with Stardew Valley. Nintendo don't care and thats why now the NSO store is a total shovelware mess.
wow with these vague patents Pokémon can sue Fortnite for all three. 1. Shoot another player in the vast feilds that make up the map; 2. Fishing; 3. There was a season where you could ride wolves and boars. What are these patents???
Nintendo also filed patents for these things after palworlds release and they are trying to sue them and have them shut down on patent infringement grounds, this is a open and shut case in the west for palworlds team but not sure in Japan, plus Nintendo are scummy as hell these past few years.
Ah yes, only Nintendo could try and patent the CONCEPT OF GRENADES
Oh shoot, you might not have seen it because I said it in a reply Broboimation, but the three patents that Palworld were being sued over have vanished from Google's International patent archive and 3/4 of Nintendo's unrelated patents have regressed to "Pending". I'm not entirely sure what this means but it really looks to me that Palworld might have won and Nintendo's patents got revoked and the other patents they filed this year are getting rechecked.
There is no copyrighted material, that’s why they aren’t suing for copyright. PalWorld stole nothing. Nintendo is being petty and greasy because they got caught with their pants down and embarrassed by PocketPair, and because PocketPair presents a franchise that has the potential to go toe to toe with Pokemon.
Nintendo just knows how bad their developers(GameFreak) are and are scared that Palworld might become bigger than their games. Pathetic.
This is why I don’t even bother to become a content creator even if I really want to 😢
With powerful companies like Nintendo holding countless patents on game, indie game creators are constantly being held by the neck in Japan.
Although they are generally not sued, it would not be surprising if they are targeted at any time.
The trigger for the lawsuit is also unknown.
All we know is that we must never anger Nintendo.
This environment is extraordinary.
Nintendo casually keeping palworld relevant is the icing on the cake
Shame it's near impossible to boycott Nintendo
Digimon world 2 (ps1), while in your digibeetle, you can press square on the map to shoot a gift at a digimon before engaging it to have a chance to "capture" it
And im trying to remember a game that allowed you to "ride" your creatures and my mind wants to say either monster rancher 4 or evo (ps2 games) but I'm not sure and I know there are others I have played... my brain just can't remember them
Its funny cuz if those 3 points are what they sue palworld for then Red dead redemption 2 has those same features, you aim an object (lasso) at a creature(wild horse) in the field and can capture it then able to ride that around
Nintendo suing Rockstar would be an interesting sight to see
It isn't about the money, part of the lawsuit is to force the game to shutdown as well.
They put in patents on those three points they're suing over... well after Palworld came out.
Those three points? Yes, some of them weren't apparently used by Pokemon until the Arceus game... however Craftopia was made by the same devs as Palworld and has largely the same mechanics, and Craftopia came out I believe two YEARS before Arceus.
Nintendo is using lawfare to try to crush competition, and in such a stupidly blunt manner that is actually breaking multiple patent laws from what I've heard.
I don't think Nintendo is actually going after Palworld specifically to target Palworld. I think they're looking beyond this. Palworld has already rocketed through with their game and rode its wave of popularity to the finish line. The game isn't done for, but it's no longer a threat to Pokemon. However, this has opened the gates to other monster tamer style games to start cropping up and I think Nintendo wants to set the ground work to prevent another Pokemon from ever rising up again. I think Nintendo is planning on weaponizing their patents against any rivals as they pop up before they have a chance to make enough profit to establish themselves as another Pokemon-esque franchise and become an ACTUAL threat and ruin the Pokemon monopoly that Nintendo has.
The problem is that they are only doing this because pal world is popular but not big
Nintendo just wants to settle this out of cort its just to make it easier to do this in the future they are not afraid of pallworld they just see a way to increase there influence in the industry because if they win this or settle they can project a lot presher on competers
my concern is that if Nintendo wins this lawsuit then that means that game companies could sue other game developers for putting a feature from one of the company's games into the new game developer's game. many games copy features from other games. take a look at the whole battle royals thing. fortnite, cod, apex legends. the lawsuits would be ridiculous. it would destroy the gaming community.
my theory is they are suing for a ridiculously low amount in order to potentially get the judge to side with them due to it being almost nothing....but this sets precedent and they could potentially abuse that.
I honestly think this is a ploy to try to get Pocketpear to settle since that would still set a precedent over them being able to go after others for a lot more. At least that's how it works in the US maybe it's different in Japan, I know in some parts of Europe they don't care about past trials each one is a blank slate with precedent not being a thing.
this lawsuit isnt about the money, its about setting a precedent so they can own all these game mechanics and have no competition while they produce low quality games that use them
you mean no quality? fucking hell the E.T game for atari so far has been better then most pokemon games that came out so far.
@@creater20225 The older pokemon games are actually decent. Anything past Sun and Moon has been actual shit tier quality, with Legends Arceus only being somewhat okay.
Quality?????? what quality????
Games went to shit after black and white 2.
the thing is the patent were filed months after palworld launch
While the "riding creatures in the open world" part wasn't veeeery accurate until Arceus, you COULD ride some pokemon in XY, and then you could ride most of them freely in SM and USUM.
The only issue is that those games aren't necessarily "open world".
Nintendo foaming at the mouth after seeing a game where you throw something to start a fight
Actually when you throw golden apple at villager zombie in Minecraft you will tame it XD also that 66k usd is pocket change for pocket pair too XD
Stopped using my switch altogether. No longer buying any nintendo games or products in the future.
If they set a precedent that you can own a game mechanic then video games are basically going to die
Nintendo got taken over by a new generation, the ones just milking the hard work their predecessors did until the company dies
No, that's the sad part, this IS the older generation, they've become so set in their ways, so set in being on top, they've forgotten how to compete and now can only attack competition in the dirtiest ways possible.
@@megaman37456Everyone forgets they're all corrupt Yakuza.
Just to be clear you forget to mention, Nintendo sue the pocket pair cause of these shits BUT pocket pair can say they got this patent things from there previous game Craftopia so technically they using there own asset's as a long term strategy and not other's.
So let me get this straight instead of going after the perfectly reasonable Artstyle/Character theft (which is a debated topic anyway) they. They just want to sue everyone? Are they okay? Do they need to sit down?
Here's some critical information related to the "art style theft" (That is not even a legal concept, so people really need to shove that up their ass)
first; there was no "theft" at all, the person who claimed Palworld stole assets later admitted he made it up and deliberately altered Pokémon models to make the accusation look more believable.
second; Palworld contacted Nintendo for legal guidance through years of development to not infringe on their designs, meaning every single pal in the game was officially signed off on by Nentendo before the game launched.
Nintendo was fully aware of the game as much as three to four years before it launched, they knew everything about it, what it was, what it was doing, and everything in it. And now that you know that, this lawsuit probably makes even less sense...
I can only work with what I have, so this is a guess; Nentendo gets contacted for legal guidance by a local (Japanese) developer wanting to make a game with monster capturing. Nintendo likely saw a chance to build some good PR by helping a game in a very tight space with them figuring from the size and caliber of the studio, anything they make is likely to only sell a few hundred or thousand units and not really go anywhere; they get some good RP and maybe poach the talent when the studio folds. win win.
Huge backfire, the game is an overnight success selling over 20 million units, getting the studio partnership and help from Sony and Microsoft; Normally Nintendo could have made some bs legal claim of copyright, but they already stuck their balls in the vice by signing off on every design... so they went and did the most petty shit imaginable to sue them anyway rather than just accepting the self-inflicted L.
This is like Nintendo suing sonic because its a platformer like Mario
(which is suppose to be ironic because sonic and Mario games are nothing alike)
Okay how did Pokemon get those pattens if all of this is in Far Cry Primal.
You can throw a variety of objects at things. You can use several creatures as mounts. You can capture/tame most creatures outside of battle.
So how the fuck is Pokemon special? FCP came out in the early 2010's if not late 2000's (IDR off the top of my head).
If the other franchises don't patent their mechanics, the patent is up for grabs. This is also the reason why insulin isn't free btw
@@edgargaebolg9307 it's not the insulin that's patented but the production methods.
Monster Hunter World getting sued frfr? 🤑 Capturing monsters in a battle setting in the wild
Wait, when did the price double? I hope Pocket Pair fights them for the future of gaming.
it's 33k for Nintendo and 33k for Pokemon company something like that
@@Lapsiothey also want more because of all the resources they use to keep the case going, if I remember it was about another 20k more 😢
@@gatokawaii3996 that's still completely irrelevant amount of money. And it's on purpose - to make it tempting offer for developers to cease Palworld development. Because on top of that insignificant amount of money (comparing to what Pocketpair earned) they demand to stop Palworld sales. So this case is like "okay we'll let you keep all the monies you got so far under condition that you stop doing what you're doing". And if you think about it for a while and consider how much they already made on Palworld - that's pretty tempting offer to accapt. Nintendo did that on purpose bc they knew Pocketpair would never accept this offer if they demanded idk 160 mln usd or sth. But here they literally gave them choice between "simply" ceasing Palworld and everyone happily walks away in one piece or continuing Palworld and entering lawsuit warfare with tech giant where they may loose LOTS of monies in court expenses. Pretty tough choice ngl and for indie dev who may not be sure if Palworld IP 'sticks' long-term it may seem like good idea to accept Nintendo terms. They're already rich after all, why risk loosing it all now? It's very manipulative offer from Nintendo.
They kinda Stpd. they given a chance to buy the game before but they declined it.
And now when palworld become popular they try to lawsuit their *ss when the players are down to 5 digits they sure know when to hit. if they could just make better games than the small studio who made palworld. then this woudnt happen. and there is a whole world out there of games to explore than the crappy pixelated unpolished game of theirs. no offence. this is just my take.
Thing is about patents, the company that holds them doesn't actually have to have fully utilized what the patent is for to still hold the rights to them. In many cases patents aren't even fully used by the original owners but are essentially rented out to other entities for a small royalty. Basically other companies exchange a small fee to not have to do all the extra work the original patent owner did to make the patent and in many cases patents are used as a supplemental funding source (RCA was a very good example of a company that, while they did make electronics probably made more from the royalties of the patents they made). So if Nintendo is sueing do to patents there is a pretty good chance that the coding that runs the commands is copied or there was an agreement that they would pay royalties and are now backing out of it. Because unlike copyright, patents have a very distinct set of stipulations that define them. If they had figured out a way to code those command promts on their own way (why these features are in other games that don't use the patents or possiblyare and just don't disclose that they pay the royalties for use of those features) then the lawsuit would have been thrown out immediately. The fact that it is a patent lawsuit does kind of give a bit more weight then them just saying "they stole models"... It would be interesting to see the specific patents that are being disputed because that is where the details would be.
What's even more ridiculous is if you take a look a japan and you see the japanese SIMPING HARD FOR NINTENDO.
But wait, we can go even more ridiculous ! You could understood nintendo is a nationnal fierty of japana than they love nintendo games blablabla...but no, they way they defend nintendo is as insane as nintendo itself!
I think I have a very simple illustration : Nintendo the Yakuza try to sucker punch Palworld, and the passerbys call palworld A BELLIGERANT INSOLANT for daring trying to block the incoming punch with their arms.
And if you think i'm exagerating, i'm not (when i've said "belligerant" I litteraly quoted some fans own words), they're really treating nintendo like a god-king who should be bowed down if they declare someone had wronged them.
Boycott Nintendo, this has to stop
They're being bullies, plain and simple. Very disappointed
nintendo are such ass, I almost wanna shut down their entire servers if they ever decide to shutdown palworld for their fricken petiness selfish endless ego madness
wait, wouldnt that mean that pokemon could sue ark?
yes pokemon could sue ark, minecraft, Red Dead 2, Monster Hunter World and all shooters with these pattens if they win.
@@killansoulslayer591 Yeah, let pokemon sue minecraft, Microsoft would bankrupt Nintendo in a week.
@@megaman37456 also the fact that Microsoft have a share of Ark games as well 🎉
@@gatokawaii3996 The thing that a lot of people are overlooking is that this lawsuit ONLY affects Japanese game devs, so Nintendo can't go after someone like Ark or Minecraft, or Halo, or any other western series with these bullshit patents.
The ONLY reason Nintendo were able to go after Pal World to begin with is because they, Nintendo, are abusing Japanese patent laws to attempt to remove a competitor from the industry, however I am a firm believe that even if Nintendo wins this suit it only works in their favor as long as pocketpair remains in Japan.
Let's say PocketPair moved to somewhere where Nintendo has no power like say, Brazil. Nintendo can't do shit to stop them at that point. The ONLY reason PocketPair is put in the crosshairs is because it's a Japanese company just like Nintendo.
Also monster hunter stores.
Well pocket pair released a game before pokemon did that used this style of play .....
That's rich coming from Nintendo considering the whole way of transporting Pokemon was done earlier by Tsubaraya productions.
Namely in the Ultraman series, in Ultraseven the titular Seven has these things called Capsule Monsters. Kaiju that help him out (to varied degrees) once he opens up the capsules they are contained inside. Originally Pokemon were supposed to be called Capsule Monsters but Tsubaraya beat them to it by decades.
So by their logic, Tsubaraya could technically sue everyone with Nintendo included.
ARK run before they notice you have all of thar and stole pokeballs. (Fun fact the cryo pods were made because a devs kid said "dad it would be cool if this game had pokeballs")
See, this is exactly what PalWorld did (I know PoketPair had another game before this one) it was just inspired by Pokemon.
All they wanted was to be recognized by the ones who inspired them, but this is not a dream 😢
Palworld is not a competitor to Pokemon, the game doesn't even really copy pokemon.
This the creatures in this game are a parody of Pokemon.
This doesn't "Steal" from Pokemon any more than Spaceballs stole from Star Wars.
Is our culture so copyrighted obsessed we don't even think Parody is ok anymore?
Copyright shouldn't be so strict, should it?
I think palworld's expressions are tasteless, but they should be protected by law.
Many Japanese people are particularly obsessed with Pokemon.
I think it's because there has been no competition for so long, but cute monsters are Pokemon, and anything else is considered fake.
I think this is the result of Pokemon's excellent business practices.
At the same time, it seems like people are half-brainwashed...
And remember, the anime of Dragon Quest, MADE BY AKIRA TORIYAMA, did the thing to "capture monsters with a thing" WAAAAAY BEFORE POKEMON!
You mean game, not anime.
@solarboyaaron4652 even so. Look how generic and vague is the Nintendo's allegations.
Sure but if they get the "win" they can then use it to hammer Palworld if they keep infringing on the same items as well as use the lawsuit and the win against all the other games you listed.
I have a question.
I found information in Japan that says "Nintendo has also applied for this patent in the US and has already received it."
Is this true?
I don't know how to read US patents, so I don't know if their patent application has been approved or rejected.
All I know is that the application has been submitted.
Can someone check and let me know?
They might try to sue you or copyright strike u for showing that video of gameplay, they already did it to a few people so id change that probably.
It's fair use and transformative; they cannot successfully sue for that.
I mean, they might sue, but they'd likely lose.
@@thorild69 That's the point
Nintendo would lose every youtuber strike they have done
But no one fights them, because they can't afford to.
The fact that this lawsuit is even possible is terrifying. Legal actions always have a chilling effect on activity and creativity within a certain space as people start focusing more on avoiding legal action. Aside from that, the fact that a decision with consequences as big as this essentially goes down to how one easily corruptible judge feels is insane.
Yeah this drained any worry I had that this lawsuit would actually succeed, even if pocketpair somehow can manage to lose the case they can easily afford it
No, Pocketpair can't afford it. What people talking about this lawsuit keep ignoring is the fact Nintendo is looking to get an injunction against Palworld. In Japan an injunction is a court order to stop selling a product. So if Nintendo wins then no more Palworld.
@@lwine397 well idk why that wasn't mentioned in this video
I am crossing my fingers for nintendo to loose this lawsuit; to me it seems they are doing this trying to set some legal BS so they can use it as reference in future lawsuits.
what is worse about the lawsuit is that they are suing retroactively and the patents they are using to sue were granted to nintendo months after palworld launch, so that makes me think that nintendo is the one doing something wrong; the ones with a bad behavior are them and makes me think they somehow stole something from palworld; ¿how come the patents are for game content that existed in palworld before the patents were granted?.
this all makes me think nintendo somehow is one despicable company.
This is exactly what they are doing. If Nintendo wins. Every major gaming company will start drawing patents for gaming concepts, and the lawsuit wars will begin. The fact that Nintendo made those patents within the last 6 months shows that if they work games, they could go back and start lawsuits with games from the start of time for very open gaming concepts. On top of this gaming company's will basicly have to start paying for the use of these concepts and that will basicly choke out indie game development due to lack of funding and bring game creation and development to a stand still. I hope they don't win.
Has Nintendo sued Temtem yet, just curious. Not that the mechanics aren't in MANY other games but I would consider them also in similar danger. Palworld was hailed as "Pokemon with guns" and Temtem was similarly nicknamed (though making less noise than Palworld) as "Pokemon as an MMO".
Oh my God you develop games?!? Wait.. Nintendo does that too.. Nintendo get em, steal this mans liver ō-ō
Nintendo use "Patent" (Nintendo defense increase)
(*Indie Game* is now confused)
I really hope that Nintendo loses because I feel like if they win others will think they can get away with it
I'm not sure if the second patent's description applies, I found rather that it concerns the circumstances of the battle than being able to capture creatures in a wild.
I want to make it clear that I think patents for game mechanics should not be granted to anyone at all and it's a horrible tactic made by companies to discourage other people from drawing inspiration from the companies' games in order for them to get rid of possible competition. That said, since the patents do exist, I do not think based on their descriptions that the reasonings given are actually nonsensical, as the patents are very specific:
The item that the player uses to throw and affect the wild creature is also described to be an item which causes the creature to disappear from the field and become owned by the player upon contact, as well as allowing the player to use the same item to release the creature back into the environment and then use the creature to battle other creatures encountered. The item allowing for the creature acquisition mechanic is actually the central part of this argument, as its functions are very specific. Same goes for creature transportation. I haven't looked into it enough to determine whether or not them bringing extra arguments into the lawsuit was a good move since riding creatures depending on their habitat is not original, but rather the fact that these are creatures specifically captured and owned by the player in such a way is what matters. I am honestly not sure about that.
But either way, Palworld's case is not the same as some other games', because the mechanic functions practically identically, except for everything happening in real-time whereas Pokemon is turn-based. This is not the same as saying a game like Witcher is copying Pokemon because you can ride horses, or Horizon Zero Dawn because you can throw rocks at the machines and it is also not the same as the countless monster collector/battler games having monster collection mechanics if their ways of creature acquisition is different from this.
Once again, it's a horrible practice, but this is what we're working with and I figured I'd share my thoughts based on what I found because I see many people simplifying the argument down to something so indistinguishable from common game mechanics that it sounds utterly ridiculous and unreal what Nintendo is saying with this.
Oh no it gets worse, this is a Patent lawsuit, These 3 things are Patents they are being sued for. Worst thing? These patents were filed *AFTER PALWORLD CAME OUT*.
No they weren't. That's the US filing date. The original Japanese patents were filed back in 2021. There are plenty of legitimate reasons this lawsuit is stupid, so please don't muddy the waters with misinformation.
@@Abion47 except it lists both Japanese and united states filing dates. It specifically lists those three as Japanese filing dates too, because in the united states this sourt of patent would get you laughed out of the office. So, no, this isn't miss-information.
I do, however, agree there are plenty of other reasons why the lawsuit is stupid, like the fact that it should just straight up not be possible to file game mechanics as patents of any type, anywhere, ever, for any reason.
@@thatguydownthestreat They are Japanese patents and this is a Japanese lawsuit that will play out in Japanese courts. The date of the American filing of those patents are entirely irrelevant to the actual legal facts of the case.
And yes, those Japanese patents were filed before Palworld came out, so saying otherwise is in fact misinformation.
@@thatguydownthestreat And while I agree patenting game mechanics shouldn't be legal, an actual legally relevant reason the patent is bullshit is that even if the patents were filed before Palworld was released, it was after Craftopia was released which was PocketPair's last game that had the exact same mechanics.
@@Abion47 Do you have a source? Because I'm talking about the Japanese patent's filing dates for patents JP-7545191 (JAPANESE patent application filed: 7/30/2024), JP-7493117 (JAPANESE Patent application filed: 02/26/2024), and JP-7528390 (JAPANESE patent application filed 03/05/2024), when Palworld was released 01/19/2024. The patents that Palworld has stated they are being sued for infringing upon.
Ban Pokémon. I hate them now.
Nintendo's Game Developers: 😇
Nintendo's Lawyers: 👿
If they win this case, it sets a very dangerous precedent on the entire industry, you could just patent a very broad game mechanic just sue everyone that somewhat looks like they’re using it
Riding a horse in real life gets you copyright struck by Nintendo
the way the "patent" is described, nintendo could technically sue skyrim for riding a horse, or any other game that you could ride a creature, or drive a car, fly a plane, etc..
i love how palworld is still being mentioned but people never think about the mobile games that have been copying pokemon and minecraft over the years
Clearly Nintendo doesn't know what bullets or tranquilizers are.
The reason for this lawsuit, from what I heard...was because Sony has taken Pocketpair in. This apparently isn't a lawsuit about Pokemon and Palworld. This is apparently a law battle between Sony and Nintendo
Pal World should counter-sue for slander, monopolizing, having their time wasted, and psychological damage.
Unfortunately i doubt that would be a fruitful endeavor in the kangaroo courts of Japan
It's Nintendo VS Sony with Palworld as the battlefield.