Nice. Instead of the stool though, I'd do 8 cinder blocks stacked up (2 blocks together, 2-4-6-8) - gives you that waist area height. I like the heel of the palm strike too, I do palm, back-hand, knife chop, and "finger flick" - like a tiger claw strike, hitting the bag and conditioning the tips of the fingers a bit. I'd use dit da jow or some type of soak, but nice. It's cool that people still do this. The only critque I'd have is making sure you're warmed up first/wrist stretches, and dont drop your chin/head on the down strikes. If you're going to sink, as you have to with the chop anyway, keep your back straight/chin up and sink. Thanks for the video.
Hi Ron, any bag will suffice. I recommend checking out Amazon, EBay or AliExpress. However, if you have someone who could make one for you, that would be my #1 choice.
Nice video, love the step by step detailed explanations :-) 2 questions - what do you use to fill the bag? And how many reps per session, how many sessions per week would you advise? Thanks!
Hi Suresh, I like to keep things simple and just fill the bags with rice. I recommend you strike the bag for about 10 minutes (both hands) taking short breaks as needed 2-3 times per week. Also, make sure you hit it hard enough to feel the workout but not too hard to get injured. I hope this helps with your query.
Thanks a lot :-) I already have 15+ years of Karate experience, so I'm used to regular makiwara training. Still, your advice about building up my iron palm practice gradually makes a lot of sense. Also, rice vs. mung beans to fill the bags - do you have any thoughts / opinions based on your personal experience?
Gracias Henry, Podras hacer algunos vídeos en español? Gracias. Gao desde argentina, Soy instructor de Yip Man Foshan Ving Tsun ( Linea Familiar GM Lun Kai)
Brian Peace Hi Brian, No, not at all. Don’t let that stop you from learning this wonderful art, there’s still so much you can do without a WC dummy. If you haven’t already, I suggest you subscribe to my channel because I’ll be upload lots of training tips, strategies and resources you can benefit from. All the best!
I do it 5 to 10 minutes to start for the first week or so, and work up to half an hour. You get a mung-bean bag off amazon, the one with the little symbol in the corner/white color. You setup 8 cinder blocks, 2-4-6-8, alternating stacking, and that gives you a height around your waist area, unless you're 7ft tall. The preparation is the longest part, the warm up. You do arm circles both ways - lock arm, in a high bow stance, and whip your arm in a circular motion at the shoulder joint for 10-20 times, both ways (looks like a sideways-helicopter blade motion). Then wrist stretches, pull back/grab the thumb and stretch the wrist down/twist the wrist one way/twist the wrist the other way/roll wrists one way, then the other... Next is high horse stance double back hand: think monks with hands pressed in prayer, but reversed. Back of hands touching eachother/fingers pointed down at the ground - and "flick out" with a double backhand to either side (like if 2 guys were standing at each shoulder next to you, a "double back-hand" to their faces. You do 100 double backhands, flipping your back-hands out to either side, focusing on "loose-ness"/being fluid/no power. By the time you get to 100 you'll be sufficiently tired/warmed up. Next is to get dit da jow/commonly used in wooden man/wing chun training, and you massage it into your hands/wrist quick. Next is "clap and hold" for 25x. In a high horse stance, clap your hands together and hold your a second/half second, - do 25x. Next is "finger slaps" for 50x, go easy, it's kind of like a "dusting off" motion that you see in movies when someone is finished a good job. Hands loose one hand comes up, as the other comes down, and vice versa - up/down/up-down/up-down - slapping your fingers against eachother. Next is squeeze the pressure point at the base of the thumb and pointer finger, squeeze that meat of your hand until you feel the pressure point, hold for 5-10 seconds. Next is the pressure point of the center of the palm, press directly in the center of your palm with your locked thumb, and find that pressure point. "Rake, roll, and pull" - using dit da jow, or perhaps water - this will feel weird at first, but you'll enjoy it afterward. Using your pointer finger and middle finger like scissors (rock,paper,scissor -shoot) - pinch the finger of your other hand at it's base (pinch in between middle/pointer finger), roll/twist - and slide off quick. This will feel good on the sides of finger, but will take time to feel good on the top/bottom, pinching and sliding off the top/bottom feels weird, especially with no lubrication, but will feel great after your iron palm training, = "wringing out the rust". Last is the Soak for prep. Iron palm herbs are best, but plain hot water works fine if you have dit da jow for afterwards. Before this you meditate for 3 minutes in high horse stance, hold the ball of energy/back straight, fingers pointed at each other. Then soak in warm water, a bucket or pot for 5 minutes.... and now you're ready to hit the bag. Start with 50x, or 20x if you've practiced tai chi/have sensitivity, with palm face down raise up....let drop down to bag, look down, don't drop chin/head. Raise other hand, look at hand, drop hand (like a dummy weight), look down at hand, don't drop your chin. - With this first 50x/20x, you're trying to do it just dropping, no muscle behind it, to "get energy flow" etc. Next 50x or 20x - is raise your hand palm facing up, look at hand.....drop hand loosely, turning over to strike palm down (but you're not striking yet, you're just letting it drop/dead weight). Now you're ready for striking, 5-10 minutes. After starting with just letting it drop, now you put power behind it. You want it to sting a bit, to a point you can maintain for 5 minutes without doing damage. You can experiment how to do it, in a high/stationary horse stance, or sinking with every strike (you have to sink for knife-hand anyway). But it's: look up, strike palm down/look down/don't drop chin (back straight). Raise palm up/look up, strike down backhand/look down/dont drop chin....raise hand up, strike down knife hand, a whipping motion where the wrist snaps at the last moment/look down/dont drop chin. For the last one I differ from here and do "finger-flick" to strengthen the tips of the fingers. Like a "tiger claw", more gently (at first) strike down and have the tips of all 5 fingers strike the bag, strengthening the tips. Alternate back and forth, palm-backhand-knife hand-finger flick, and do for 5 minutes. Your backhands will sting at first more. For knife-hand, if your not conscious of keeping your fingers together - you'll feel your finger knuckles slap eachother on the sides etc., and then finger flick you have to be easy on. It takes about a week or so before you feel the "glove of chi" - similar to being numb but not quite, you'll get into a groove after a while, whether stationary horse or sinking horse stance (not dropping chin) and you get into a grove of palm/back-hand/chop/finger flick. You want stinging - and stinging for 5 minutes, working up to half and hour. Beginner mung bean bag is 3-6 months, then you move to a gravel bag over the cinder blocks, then a steel ball bag over the cinder blocks.... and as you advance bags - you still warm up with the previous bags. It's warmup - soak - let drop - then strike with power....then jump to the gravel bag etc....then jump to the steel bag. After training/hitting bag - do not soak in warm water, even though it'd feel good. Use dit da jow and apply generously, hit both the pressure points and hold, massage into all knuckles in circular motions (both ways) up and down your hands, and do the "scissor" pinch and pull, and "wring the fingers out". If you see bad bruising you went too far, got "rust" in your iron palm. If it's pretty dark, wait one day, then start the next day again and just go lighter for your 5 minutes. You can take one day breaks every now and then, but it pretty mouch has to be a daily thing, and'll take 2 weeks to start "getting it". If you have the money, "iron palm herbs" on amazon - whatever they have for the pre soak will be good, but at the very least get the dit da jow, and you can make do with a plain hot water soak. The process/warm up takes longer than the hitting, at least in the beginning when you want to do 5 minute stinging segments over your 8 stacked cinder blocks (2 together, stacked 4 groups high like a Ginga-board).
@@michaelwesten1764 Hello, Mr. Westen. If you have the time, I was hoping you could help me with my iron hand training. I have not received any formal instruction, I am self-taught except for books and videos. I am having trouble understanding how to drop my hand on the bag. I often see it described as "dropping", but when watching videos it usually appears that there is indeed force/energy behind the motion, but not like a strike. My guess is that it is almost like having your hand be the end of the kinetic and chi chain. Hand relaxed, forearm relaxed, shoulder loose and not raised, but still causing the swinging motion. Also, I notice that the back of my hand has a numb feeling after conditioning. I can still feel sensations, but they feel muted. It does, however, fade after an hour or so. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Nice. Instead of the stool though, I'd do 8 cinder blocks stacked up (2 blocks together, 2-4-6-8) - gives you that waist area height. I like the heel of the palm strike too, I do palm, back-hand, knife chop, and "finger flick" - like a tiger claw strike, hitting the bag and conditioning the tips of the fingers a bit.
I'd use dit da jow or some type of soak, but nice. It's cool that people still do this.
The only critque I'd have is making sure you're warmed up first/wrist stretches, and dont drop your chin/head on the down strikes. If you're going to sink, as you have to with the chop anyway, keep your back straight/chin up and sink.
Thanks for the video.
Yooooouu may be the Wing Chun guy I’ve been LOOKING FOR!!!
Great stuff.
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Amazing job
Thanks Sifu, Any suggestions (links) to bag ? Or do you suggest just knocking one up ?
Hi Ron, any bag will suffice. I recommend checking out Amazon, EBay or AliExpress. However, if you have someone who could make one for you, that would be my #1 choice.
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Thank you for the great content! What do you fill the bag with?
Thanks for your message!
I personally like to keep it simple and just use rice to fill up my bags.
Nice video, love the step by step detailed explanations :-)
2 questions - what do you use to fill the bag? And how many reps per session, how many sessions per week would you advise?
Thanks!
Hi Suresh, I like to keep things simple and just fill the bags with rice.
I recommend you strike the bag for about 10 minutes (both hands) taking short breaks as needed 2-3 times per week. Also, make sure you hit it hard enough to feel the workout but not too hard to get injured.
I hope this helps with your query.
Thanks a lot :-)
I already have 15+ years of Karate experience, so I'm used to regular makiwara training. Still, your advice about building up my iron palm practice gradually makes a lot of sense.
Also, rice vs. mung beans to fill the bags - do you have any thoughts / opinions based on your personal experience?
@@sureshnair8865 we have always used rice to fill up the bags. This is enough to desensitise the hands with the repetitive strikes.
Got it. Thank you Sifu :-)
Gracias Henry, Podras hacer algunos vídeos en español? Gracias. Gao desde argentina, Soy instructor de Yip Man Foshan Ving Tsun ( Linea Familiar GM Lun Kai)
is it ok to use iron pellets for the iron bag?
Thanks for the video! Do you use any dit da jow or similar for your hands?
Actually I don't use any dit da jow.
All the best!
I was talking not to hit so hard because Is the progress of passage
Hi Sifu,
Do you need a wing chun dummy to learn wing chun?
I don’t have the money or the know how to make one 😩
Thanks,
Brian Peace
Brian Peace Hi Brian,
No, not at all. Don’t let that stop you from learning this wonderful art, there’s still so much you can do without a WC dummy.
If you haven’t already, I suggest you subscribe to my channel because I’ll be upload lots of training tips, strategies and resources you can benefit from.
All the best!
Thanks, how often and how long should one perform this training? Few days a week to start? How many reps?
A good starting point is 3 times a week, 15-20 minutes each time. If you’re consistent, you’ll see great results!
I do it 5 to 10 minutes to start for the first week or so, and work up to half an hour. You get a mung-bean bag off amazon, the one with the little symbol in the corner/white color.
You setup 8 cinder blocks, 2-4-6-8, alternating stacking, and that gives you a height around your waist area, unless you're 7ft tall.
The preparation is the longest part, the warm up.
You do arm circles both ways - lock arm, in a high bow stance, and whip your arm in a circular motion at the shoulder joint for 10-20 times, both ways (looks like a sideways-helicopter blade motion).
Then wrist stretches, pull back/grab the thumb and stretch the wrist down/twist the wrist one way/twist the wrist the other way/roll wrists one way, then the other...
Next is high horse stance double back hand: think monks with hands pressed in prayer, but reversed. Back of hands touching eachother/fingers pointed down at the ground - and "flick out" with a double backhand to either side (like if 2 guys were standing at each shoulder next to you, a "double back-hand" to their faces.
You do 100 double backhands, flipping your back-hands out to either side, focusing on "loose-ness"/being fluid/no power.
By the time you get to 100 you'll be sufficiently tired/warmed up.
Next is to get dit da jow/commonly used in wooden man/wing chun training, and you massage it into your hands/wrist quick.
Next is "clap and hold" for 25x. In a high horse stance, clap your hands together and hold your a second/half second, - do 25x.
Next is "finger slaps" for 50x, go easy, it's kind of like a "dusting off" motion that you see in movies when someone is finished a good job. Hands loose one hand comes up, as the other comes down, and vice versa - up/down/up-down/up-down - slapping your fingers against eachother.
Next is squeeze the pressure point at the base of the thumb and pointer finger, squeeze that meat of your hand until you feel the pressure point, hold for 5-10 seconds.
Next is the pressure point of the center of the palm, press directly in the center of your palm with your locked thumb, and find that pressure point.
"Rake, roll, and pull" - using dit da jow, or perhaps water - this will feel weird at first, but you'll enjoy it afterward.
Using your pointer finger and middle finger like scissors (rock,paper,scissor -shoot) - pinch the finger of your other hand at it's base (pinch in between middle/pointer finger), roll/twist - and slide off quick.
This will feel good on the sides of finger, but will take time to feel good on the top/bottom, pinching and sliding off the top/bottom feels weird, especially with no lubrication, but will feel great after your iron palm training, = "wringing out the rust".
Last is the Soak for prep. Iron palm herbs are best, but plain hot water works fine if you have dit da jow for afterwards. Before this you meditate for 3 minutes in high horse stance, hold the ball of energy/back straight, fingers pointed at each other.
Then soak in warm water, a bucket or pot for 5 minutes.... and now you're ready to hit the bag.
Start with 50x, or 20x if you've practiced tai chi/have sensitivity, with palm face down raise up....let drop down to bag, look down, don't drop chin/head.
Raise other hand, look at hand, drop hand (like a dummy weight), look down at hand, don't drop your chin.
- With this first 50x/20x, you're trying to do it just dropping, no muscle behind it, to "get energy flow" etc.
Next 50x or 20x - is raise your hand palm facing up, look at hand.....drop hand loosely, turning over to strike palm down (but you're not striking yet, you're just letting it drop/dead weight).
Now you're ready for striking, 5-10 minutes. After starting with just letting it drop, now you put power behind it.
You want it to sting a bit, to a point you can maintain for 5 minutes without doing damage.
You can experiment how to do it, in a high/stationary horse stance, or sinking with every strike (you have to sink for knife-hand anyway).
But it's: look up, strike palm down/look down/don't drop chin (back straight). Raise palm up/look up, strike down backhand/look down/dont drop chin....raise hand up, strike down knife hand, a whipping motion where the wrist snaps at the last moment/look down/dont drop chin.
For the last one I differ from here and do "finger-flick" to strengthen the tips of the fingers. Like a "tiger claw", more gently (at first) strike down and have the tips of all 5 fingers strike the bag, strengthening the tips.
Alternate back and forth, palm-backhand-knife hand-finger flick, and do for 5 minutes. Your backhands will sting at first more. For knife-hand, if your not conscious of keeping your fingers together - you'll feel your finger knuckles slap eachother on the sides etc., and then finger flick you have to be easy on.
It takes about a week or so before you feel the "glove of chi" - similar to being numb but not quite, you'll get into a groove after a while, whether stationary horse or sinking horse stance (not dropping chin) and you get into a grove of palm/back-hand/chop/finger flick. You want stinging - and stinging for 5 minutes, working up to half and hour.
Beginner mung bean bag is 3-6 months, then you move to a gravel bag over the cinder blocks, then a steel ball bag over the cinder blocks.... and as you advance bags - you still warm up with the previous bags.
It's warmup - soak - let drop - then strike with power....then jump to the gravel bag etc....then jump to the steel bag.
After training/hitting bag - do not soak in warm water, even though it'd feel good. Use dit da jow and apply generously, hit both the pressure points and hold, massage into all knuckles in circular motions (both ways) up and down your hands, and do the "scissor" pinch and pull, and "wring the fingers out".
If you see bad bruising you went too far, got "rust" in your iron palm. If it's pretty dark, wait one day, then start the next day again and just go lighter for your 5 minutes. You can take one day breaks every now and then, but it pretty mouch has to be a daily thing, and'll take 2 weeks to start "getting it".
If you have the money, "iron palm herbs" on amazon - whatever they have for the pre soak will be good, but at the very least get the dit da jow, and you can make do with a plain hot water soak.
The process/warm up takes longer than the hitting, at least in the beginning when you want to do 5 minute stinging segments over your 8 stacked cinder blocks (2 together, stacked 4 groups high like a Ginga-board).
@@michaelwesten1764 you should put up a video brother.
@@michaelwesten1764 Hello, Mr. Westen. If you have the time, I was hoping you could help me with my iron hand training. I have not received any formal instruction, I am self-taught except for books and videos. I am having trouble understanding how to drop my hand on the bag. I often see it described as "dropping", but when watching videos it usually appears that there is indeed force/energy behind the motion, but not like a strike. My guess is that it is almost like having your hand be the end of the kinetic and chi chain. Hand relaxed, forearm relaxed, shoulder loose and not raised, but still causing the swinging motion. Also, I notice that the back of my hand has a numb feeling after conditioning. I can still feel sensations, but they feel muted. It does, however, fade after an hour or so. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
I was taught not to hit so hard.Was I taught wrong question mark
Bongo players have iron palms🤔
is it ok to use iron pellets for the iron bag?