All you need is a static npc/item location. Get the X,Y,Z of said npc or item, and then set the bot script to randomize the click action within that box. It's not hard. Lol.
Am i the only one that thinks it’s weird that botters are constantly giving pugger bots and interviews? Why are they so friendly with someone who goes out of his way to expose them and destroy their income?
@@joshgiannini1804 you may see bots as nature of the RuneScape, as the game does not have NPCs doind the work for some resources then it might be fine to have some flow out there. 2nd is that Venezuelan RuneScape mafia network dislikes it, as if they lose the current to trade with other criminals, like some prisons have RuneScape as their rwt moneybag or for some other reason as valuable asset to Venezuelan or just any common rwtraders. I mean it's cutting off dimensions and space from them to move as smooth as they did,and if this trimming goes on it only requires more workforce to be deployed for even the simplest things. For a old game to last in the focus for being rwt platform asks it to be somewhat easy to grind or exploit, but for it to last through those two is that people are even interested in it.
I only play OSRS casually (mostly RS3 here) but I love watching channels like this. It's really intriguing to see the ingenuity of these bot developers and also the ingenuity of Jagex and people who mess with the bots. It's amazing how an MMO genuinely brings out the creativity in people like this!
I know that you must receive a lot of comments like this one, but I absolutely love your bot busting content. I recently came back to OSRS because I found one of your video in my suggestions and I got to say that your content is amazing.
as someone that plays this game everyday and am nearly maxed ... most of this crap he makes is all made up story telling he has been exposed to this already
@@tylers92 You can just google it and find a reddit post about him faking caught bots. He reused one of his accounts to "expose" a bot in the game which naturally turned out to be a fraud.
SirPugger, you should check out some dodgy accounts farming cave horrors - accounts with 40m+ in all combat stats with no other levels. Found a few accounts in the dungeon near the ladder that goes to the mahogony trees
I honestly have no idea why I'm watching this or how I got here, I've only ever played runescape for like, 10 minutes at most. Pretty interesting though ngl, think I'll stick around
@@user-lq1dk6gr3p Basically, yeah. Don't even remember why I stopped playing. Think I got distracted by something and then just didn't touch the game again for like, 2 or 3 years now.
I was on the Pyramid Plunder world tonight (493) around 9pm MDT, and there was a non stop barrage of bot accounts running in, looting the centre chest in the first room, and then running out, repeat. Not sure if you’ve covered this or know about it but I thought I’d share. Cheers!
This is so weird and coincidental to see this video today. Apparently, I have an account on osrs and the email for it only consists out of numbers only (it's one of my junk e-mails). In the last 3 months I've received 4 different mails from jagex with a password reset request, this morning I got another one and decided to actually change the password. Now where this gets even more interesting is I don't remember ever creating an account on that e-mail. So when I logged in to the account today, after actually resetting the password because I had no idea what it could be, the account was still at the tutorial island spawn. It seems as if someone created an osrs account on one of my random e-mails but never logged in on it. Super weird and coincidental with this video because it indeed seems as if they are creating accounts on e-mails they don't own and sometimes on e-mails that are actually owned by other people.
@sirpugger there is literally a youtube channel called "Honest Lowlife" they have a youtube series called "Botting to max with AHK" to bot their account to max and has videos tutorials showing other people how to use AHK to bot. Their account isnt banned and they have 5,000 youtube subscribers.
This happened about a month ago. My friend was quite new to Runescape, and after several days of playing, he quit. A few days later, maybe around 4 days he logged in. I texted him and of course, he didnt answer. The account kept being logged in for around 10-15 minutes per world, then log into another world. I managed to track him down at the Edgeville Furnace where it was easy to see it was a bot making cannonballs. When I finally managed to speak to him in Teamspeak, he told me he had quit Runescape and haven't played it for a while. When he tried to log into his account, there was an authenticator and therefore couldn't get in. He wrote to Jagex support and got his account back. It had like 4 days of membership left (I think the account got 7 days free membership somehow). I don't see why and how he should be botting in Runescape, so if it isn't a lie, this could probably happen to many other accounts.
I'm sure there's is some way that botters get low lvl accs from people that don't play anymore, my account got hacked 2 times in different years and botted till ban with 20m exp in fishing
I had an account that I was training up as a raids / bossing alt and then got bored of and didn't play it for several months. I recently went to log into it to continue using it for the same purpose only to find that the password and the contact email for the account had been changed as well as the authenticator. I changed my email password, recovered the account and had a peek inside - it was used as a barrows bot (despite not having mory hard done, but having the stats to do zulrah) was botted up to 8500 barrows kc, (rank 47 btw) and not banned.
happend to one of my friends, he quit playing at low level and then when he returned a couple weeks ago he recovered his account with his email and then logged in to see his account has base 70s and was botting green dragons
@@MidnightAhri exactly that, the more non real world applications just make it a hassle to new players wanting into the game. same thing with phone number required. there are workarounds for bots no matter what, all it does is make the really basic scripts upgrade and scare away a player that doesnt want to give out their phone number to a game they just started playing. i mean i have a buddy who plays that was deathly afraid of runelite. and if I were to download a mobile game for the first time and asked for my phone number id immediately dip out.
they already have engines that solve the capchas. its easy to do. phone numbers is also no issue because they can spoof new numbers on demand and get the codes.
They should require mandatory dna analysis for all new osrs accounts, with a full 2000 word proposed timeline detailing the plans you have for the account. If your gameplay drifts even slightly from your submitted timeline it's punished with an instant perma ban via their state of the art detection AI engine that never fails.
Some hotkey / macro programs can be setup to not teleport the mouse, but instead simulate an actual movement with multiple movements, and they let you select an area to click, rather than it being the same pixel everytime. So you can select the area of the inventory slot, and every time it clicks it'll be a different spot within the inventory tile, the same with clicking on a bank, withdrawing items etc. Which if they are detecting scripts via just the same precise inputs being repeated this does subvert that a decent amount
I use AHK when I play OSRS on Windows. I play in a unique way, where I have left-click bound to my keyboard, and the best way I’ve found to do this is by using AHK. I bind left click to both F4 and F5. I’ve not been banned in 3+ years of playing, despite numerous warnings from Jagex stating they can “detect” when AHK is running.
Tbf, new players get the feeling of populated worlds, while Jagex makes money from P2P Bonds, and botters continue because they make money. Its a win win.
@@SirPugger we are doing it, btw they are comming from rimmington. This farm has combination of numbers in nickname, they mine at rimm, water on the way to shop and then sell soft clay to shop
@@crismeister4105 Yea came across a shop full of the bots, like 7 of them.. all seemed busy having their trade window open for the shop. After awhile they all hopped worlds. Managed to get around 100 soft clays 1gp each lol, weren't much but its practically free 20k
I think that ahk might have become harder to ban since mobile, the cursor teleporting across the screen was suspicious, but now you can play on mobile that's exactly what happens
Question for anyone but why do bots do emots? The most common place is castle wars right infront of the bank chest but ive also seen them in the church near the Incando dwarf (knight's sword quest). They log in, dance, then log out.
Actually AHK bots are undetectable and it's due to the addition of the mobile clients. You used to have the ability to determine pretty easily if a player was using a (simple) AHK bot because the cursor would be teleporting around all over the place but now it's indistinguishable from a touch event. The reason the bot you mentioned got banned was almost certainly due to the hours it was being played.
regarding the AHK scripts, most do not click the same pixel the whole time. you can write the script to click within a box of pixels in a certain area, which is what a lot of these bots do, to make it more humanlike. also, a lot of the scripts don't "teleport" the mouse. you can add mouse curves, or even make the mouse reach certain "gravitational points" where you want the cursor to travel to before reaching the target pixel box. and it's not really that hard to create your own script to do this.
You mentioned AHK and how typically those style bot scripts go to the same pixel for the same action each time, but you can actually program it to click within a certain area of pixels. I’m not a programmer, but I did learn a little bit about AHK scripting many years ago when Diablo 3 came out. I wasn’t actually using any scripts to bot, I was using them to automate stuff like quick gear and skill changes, though that is still against Blizzard’s ToS I believe. Similar to RS, the inventory has square tile-like slots, so I would write the scripts to click within a certain area at random, and the area would basically be just a smaller square I designated in each inventory slot. So say if the slot is actually 200x200 pixels, I would tell it to click anywhere with 100x100. It’s been a long time since I’ve written any scripts for anything and I’ve basically forgotten all I learned. I honestly wish I still remembered how to write some simple scripts because they’re incredibly handy for tons of different games, even when you aren’t using them to gain any advantage. For example, I would write simple scripts to repeat certain key inputs at 5 times per second so that I didn’t have to spam a key on my keyboard and wear out my keys, I could just hold the key down and it would repeat the input. You can actually do this in windows settings but you can’t make it do it for specific keys, it just does it for any key press. I would make all sorts of handy little shit like that. Now that I’m really thinking about it, I kinda want to start reading up on the language again so I can make some stuff for other games I’m playing. Quality of life stuff though, not cheating type stuff lol. Great video though!
A clarification on your AHK script segment: only the dumbest people create bots that click on the exact same pixels. It's rudimentary to create an area to click in. You can select random points within that area. Lower ban rates if you use Gaussian. Jagex does not ban based off of mouse movement, only click patterns. They can detect mouse movement and can detect whether or not clicks are hardware or virtual clicks, but this seems to have very little effect. Color-bots that follow the above rules are banned considerably less frequently than reflection and injection bots. Reflection ban rates are most likely lower now that 3rd party clients are the norm and you can reflect off Runelite without raising any flags. Mobile bots are the lowest ban rate and if you write your own scripts you're almost guaranteed not to get banned. You can even violate the clicking exact pixel rule from my testing since being on a mobile device seems to be enough to deter auto detection since Jagex was probably worried about getting false positives and deterring new mobile players.
Can't recall ever seeing any proof of the idea that the Gaussian pattern reduces ban rates but I know its been used for well over a decade. Jagex probably has a visual heatmap of clicks or something, so I could imagine its true in practice and not just theory.
Pretty sure in AHK you can make it so your clicks aren't always at the same pixel, you can have quite a bit of variance. Hard to detect besides accounts that are running for longer periods of time without breaks.
I dont know if they are bots but i seen several lvl 29s log in at the ore store in jatizso while i was doing fremink isles buy the coal and then world hop, the ore is 69 gp in the store and sells on ge for 159gp and restocks pretty fast. i have not seen another real player while doing this quest so its safe to say these bots are probably not getting reported considering they are only in the world for about 10 seconds to buy the ore and then hop. Update: i have seen about 5 of them within 10 minutes and they all have similar names so its safe to say they are probably bots haha.
I make my own AHK scripts and keep them for personal use. Things like fletching and cooking mostly, but I have a consistent blackjacking script that I run in between pouch openings and manual healing. I’ve run cooking and fletching scripts overnight for a full 6-hour log and nothing ever happens. I’ve had no problems with the mouse movements being identical but you can use an optional “time to move mouse” input to make the mouse drag rather than teleport, as well as some clever random integer functions to make it move to a slightly different spot every time within a certain radius to make the movements look more natural. I think the reason that the tele-mouse shit doesn’t get flagged is because 1:1 keybinds which automatically move the mouse are allowed by jagex explicitly for use in things like a multi-button gaming mouse. It’s probably not coded as something that’ll trip the botwatch for this reason.
Best 2 methods for emails for botting. One, buy your own domain and have all emails go there. Two, make one gmail account, then add +1 and keep going up by one for each created account. All emails go to the original email without a +#
Hey Pugger I think I found some Bot activity. I was cooking potatoes at the Nardah bank, when I would occasionally see some level 13 - 15 players loging in and trading with a level 3. The 13-15s had amulets of glory and air staffs so I think they are air orb bots trading their orbs or gp to the level 3 mule. If you want to find them I always play on world 320 and it was around 4:30 when I saw most of them.
Theres always bots in the Hosidius Kitchen filling up jugs of water right next to the bank chest. Always find several level 3s on different worlds that stand there for hours doing it
My guess: On members worlds flesh crawlers have a 1/20 chance to drop 10 noted iron. Magic can probably be trained rapidly so they can run bots to get magic and then set them down there. Nobody does flesh crawlers so it's something they can set up to train magic to sell later while also getting noted iron that stacks that they can sell on the ge.
AHK is actually very easy to use, I actually use it on minecraft servers to farm items, since its really that easy. I don't use it for Runescape since I don't play it often at all, but just know that it would not be hard for any person to make an AHK script to farm for them.
there is a bot farm north of lumbridge just next to the hops patch training thieving on farmers. all of them have variarions of the same name as well as similar outfits
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AHK scripts can be made to have random integers around the area of clicking, so it doesn't click the same pixel every time. It's a powerful programming tool, and if you can think of the math behind something, you can do it with AHK. I've used it to avoid logging out in other MMOs that had anticheat by making the script click on different parts of the screen every 1-14 minutes. Since it was so random when the button would be pressed, their anticheat would never catch me unless I left it running for too many days.
AHK does not need to teleport the mouse btw. You can totally allow the mouse to move from point to point just as if you move the mouse with your hand without teleporting. You can also randomize clicks in within area with randomized sleeps within a range. I highly doubt the scripts that he makes are simply move from here to here and click with no deviation at all.
Every break I take from rs I end up being hacked, maybe some type of bot? My bro seen my account log in last time, I was 45 mins to late. They bought a bond and drained me. I had pin and all so theyd priorly disabled everything weeks before.
Jager cannot detect which pixel a person clicks on. In order to identify every single pixel the player clicks, i imagine it would take a lot of processing strength to catalogue every single one
You can get pretty crafty with ahk. You can script it to move the mouse in an arc to vaguely mimic a more human mouse movement. You can also vary/randomize where the mouse clicks each time so it’s less obvious
SirPugger, check out the bots pickpocketing the master farmer in draynor village nonstop. They all have the same base skin or have a few levels and the same outfit. It's crazy on every single world that I've checked (around 20)
i've used ghost mouse for all of my bank standing skills and no ban here. might be because i did a 15-20 minutes recording so it looks random enough for their bot system, even used it for 99 smithing at the blast furnace
The less actions per tick required to do the action makes it harder to detect boting. I have a large amount of experience using auto clicker to play RS3 and I've auto clicked over 5 99s using various afk methods in game (Harps, Swarm Fishing, Mining post-rework) as well as event methods (summoning 99-xmas event, dungeon/herb/agility 99-Summer Skill-off) all without being banned. I have however gotten softbans while doing things like fletching arrows and teleport spamming. This is in Rs3 at that, which has better bot detection then OSRS (Jagex has confirmed this).
This makes me think that I'm in danger of being hacked not only by the bots themselves but hacked by people who think I'm a bot as well if I'm skilling a lot.
Ahk is a language, just like any other Scripting language it can do almost anything. It isn't just limited to color or pixel searching, it can do anything. Most of the Bots or Scripts used in Botting clients are made with similar languages, if not AHK itself.
I use a system like HK but its in C++. Mouse doesnt teleport around and moves like if a real person is moving the mouse, it takes breaks for "bathroom" and can read the screen into raw data. While very basic it can detect inventory items, mines, trees from the pixels. I never do same activity for long and i change the code daily. My favotire one is for HA 😅
Yeah he obliviously was only seeing the very basic AHK scripts. They are practically impossible to detect if someone knows what they are doin. You can set cursor speed, timing, and randomize it all. There is even an youtuber that shows you how to do it.
@@aggressivelyaveragesinging9632 funily enough I tried to do a script for rs3, so it could make maple into sticks. I tested with 25k logs and the day after, I was not banned. Threw the loot away. I know that it is bad to do this, but I tried it to see how difficult it was. It is NOT DIFFICULT. if you do not move the camera, you just need to randomize 2 values, height and width between a certain value and tell the mouse to move to those coords. It's insane how their system does not detect someone almost perfect timing scripting for like 12 hours..
@@squealoffortune8537 there are so many things that can be flagged. I doubt anyone has the patience to be 12 hours focused on the game, not missing a single click or no intervals.
Dunno if anyone else has noticed bots north of the fairy ring south of Tai Bwo Wanna but it's usually just a bunch of bots standing around with Dramen Staff. They all have 70+ fishing
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There has been a massive jump in bots that I think are designed for luring? They're high levels, low levels and anything in between. They hang out at GE and all claim the same thing: Buying with xxxB, Buying x for x, "Hellllooooooo? Buying claws" You'll trade, and it'll get instantly accepted. When you add the item requested, it'll instantly be canceled and it'll spit you a line about "Meet my main at Camelot. That's where the money is." I never made it to Camelot. At first I thought these were players, until I noticed: They all have the same scripts, and the trade/cancel happens immediately after you click. I've noticed them on world's 330 and 305. I can't help but wonder, because they're all different levels and all wearing different things, were these legitimate accounts that got phished? Or just alts turned bots? Is it a whole network tied to a group? Or just one person? I'm about as subtle as a RPG blast in the desert at midnight, so I'd never be able to investigate this. :( Just sending the tip off.
Go to the temple of zamorak near the goblin village, On the top floor you will see tons of people, but this guy has been in there for almost a month 24/7. If you want to know this guy he's in W397, the name is FaceFace.
If they have an email address they don't own and *you* own that email address, then how could it be hacking? You didn't hack the email address. You didn't steal their email address. It's your email address. You can't point to a single thing you did wrong by requesting a password reset. Technically you own the RS account because you own the email address.
So I have experience making bots, and one thing that most beginning selfscripted botters know these days is that a teleporting cursor can be detected but cant be used against bots because some people are handicapped and play the game using programms to make their cursor teleport using hotkeys for example, or using eye controlls. Jagex as one of few supports the use of this for the handicapped people out there. So teleporting cursors are not used in detecting bots anymore.
So I came across a new bot far I've never seen before. It's not very tricky or difficult but the amount of bots and multiple worlds they're in. Im sure they are massing a fortune and damaging the GE prices for real players. W319. W320. W329 After 2:00am pst. Lumbridge Castle. Running from too floor bank to 2nd floor spinner wheel. There is 20 to 30 bots in each world. I hoped 5 worlds and found them in ever single one. They have random names, outfits, and 98% are all level 3 with no armor or clothing
So apparently you know already. I just had to wait 15 minutes into the video. It's easy 4 or 500 bots between servers. For water jug filling bots I've been seeing just a few at hosidious kitchen
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careful logging into accounts that arent yours is kinda a felony
Tons of Skeletal Wyvern bots, level 100s with over 50M xp some of them.
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@@0mirix now make video about falsely banned players
I haven’t played osrs in 12 days
Imagine thinking the only threat to your bots is a ban, then getting mass hacked by some dude who memed the system.
@@uuamenator I think he means made a joke out of the system.
uuamenator yeah I don’t think that’s a proper use of that word.
fearofchicken no it’s a “proper” usage of the word. Meme can be verb now.
All you need is a static npc/item location. Get the X,Y,Z of said npc or item, and then set the bot script to randomize the click action within that box. It's not hard. Lol.
Well the idiot who named his bots the same as his email should be ashamed of himself
I love how 'Spooky' is always playing, favorite song I guess?
I've come to associate it with pugger
It just fits the theme of his videos so damn well.
More like runescapes conspiracy music
It's conspiracy song
The chord progression sounds very inquisitive. Like it's asking a question.
It took me a long time to realise this was a spoken poetry channel.
Am i the only one that thinks it’s weird that botters are constantly giving pugger bots and interviews? Why are they so friendly with someone who goes out of his way to expose them and destroy their income?
@@Pvtpob either to give their bots more exposure or because someone fucked them over/they're stopping with botting for a different reason
@@Pvtpob am I the only one that thinks it's weird that some people seem to really dislike Pugger finding bots?
@@joshgiannini1804 you may see bots as nature of the RuneScape, as the game does not have NPCs doind the work for some resources then it might be fine to have some flow out there.
2nd is that Venezuelan RuneScape mafia network dislikes it, as if they lose the current to trade with other criminals, like some prisons have RuneScape as their rwt moneybag or for some other reason as valuable asset to Venezuelan or just any common rwtraders.
I mean it's cutting off dimensions and space from them to move as smooth as they did,and if this trimming goes on it only requires more workforce to be deployed for even the simplest things.
For a old game to last in the focus for being rwt platform asks it to be somewhat easy to grind or exploit, but for it to last through those two is that people are even interested in it.
What do you even mean by that
I only play OSRS casually (mostly RS3 here) but I love watching channels like this. It's really intriguing to see the ingenuity of these bot developers and also the ingenuity of Jagex and people who mess with the bots. It's amazing how an MMO genuinely brings out the creativity in people like this!
lmao @ "12 years ago that would have been bank loot"
I know that you must receive a lot of comments like this one, but I absolutely love your bot busting content. I recently came back to OSRS because I found one of your video in my suggestions and I got to say that your content is amazing.
As someone who doesn't even play the game I strongly agree with this sentiment.
as someone that plays this game everyday and am nearly maxed ... most of this crap he makes is all made up story telling he has been exposed to this already
Relapse where’s the proof? he’s literally showing video of the bot farms
I unsubbed cause he hearts comments but doesnt respond he just wants money f this guy
@@tylers92 You can just google it and find a reddit post about him faking caught bots. He reused one of his accounts to "expose" a bot in the game which naturally turned out to be a fraud.
I'm a very casual viewer who rarely plays osrs but I love your manner of speaking and content you produce, keep up the great work!
@Drew I uh......think you replied to the wrong comment bud ;+;
Cringe
SirPugger, you should check out some dodgy accounts farming cave horrors - accounts with 40m+ in all combat stats with no other levels. Found a few accounts in the dungeon near the ladder that goes to the mahogony trees
There are also a bunch of bots at pyramid plunder, though I don't know why.
@@stefangrobbink7760 cause sceptre is bonk.
don't forget a lot of these accounts may just be Venezuelans earning cash by playing the game and selling the gold.
@@jessicagrant3980 nice try. We are gonna find your bot farm and get you banned eventually.
@@jessicagrant3980 they ran under me and logged when i said the word bot
I honestly have no idea why I'm watching this or how I got here, I've only ever played runescape for like, 10 minutes at most. Pretty interesting though ngl, think I'll stick around
Bad Ideas so you did tut island then got off?
@Davey what is there something im missing?
@@user-lq1dk6gr3p Basically, yeah. Don't even remember why I stopped playing. Think I got distracted by something and then just didn't touch the game again for like, 2 or 3 years now.
I was on the Pyramid Plunder world tonight (493) around 9pm MDT, and there was a non stop barrage of bot accounts running in, looting the centre chest in the first room, and then running out, repeat. Not sure if you’ve covered this or know about it but I thought I’d share. Cheers!
This is so weird and coincidental to see this video today. Apparently, I have an account on osrs and the email for it only consists out of numbers only (it's one of my junk e-mails). In the last 3 months I've received 4 different mails from jagex with a password reset request, this morning I got another one and decided to actually change the password. Now where this gets even more interesting is I don't remember ever creating an account on that e-mail. So when I logged in to the account today, after actually resetting the password because I had no idea what it could be, the account was still at the tutorial island spawn. It seems as if someone created an osrs account on one of my random e-mails but never logged in on it. Super weird and coincidental with this video because it indeed seems as if they are creating accounts on e-mails they don't own and sometimes on e-mails that are actually owned by other people.
@sirpugger there is literally a youtube channel called "Honest Lowlife" they have a youtube series called "Botting to max with AHK" to bot their account to max and has videos tutorials showing other people how to use AHK to bot. Their account isnt banned and they have 5,000 youtube subscribers.
What about it
honestly a good series tho
Time to spam report
This happened about a month ago. My friend was quite new to Runescape, and after several days of playing, he quit. A few days later, maybe around 4 days he logged in. I texted him and of course, he didnt answer. The account kept being logged in for around 10-15 minutes per world, then log into another world. I managed to track him down at the Edgeville Furnace where it was easy to see it was a bot making cannonballs. When I finally managed to speak to him in Teamspeak, he told me he had quit Runescape and haven't played it for a while. When he tried to log into his account, there was an authenticator and therefore couldn't get in. He wrote to Jagex support and got his account back. It had like 4 days of membership left (I think the account got 7 days free membership somehow). I don't see why and how he should be botting in Runescape, so if it isn't a lie, this could probably happen to many other accounts.
I'm sure there's is some way that botters get low lvl accs from people that don't play anymore, my account got hacked 2 times in different years and botted till ban with 20m exp in fishing
@@alezganem they probably just bruteforce leaked email addresses.
I had an account that I was training up as a raids / bossing alt and then got bored of and didn't play it for several months. I recently went to log into it to continue using it for the same purpose only to find that the password and the contact email for the account had been changed as well as the authenticator. I changed my email password, recovered the account and had a peek inside - it was used as a barrows bot (despite not having mory hard done, but having the stats to do zulrah) was botted up to 8500 barrows kc, (rank 47 btw) and not banned.
happend to one of my friends, he quit playing at low level and then when he returned a couple weeks ago he recovered his account with his email and then logged in to see his account has base 70s and was botting green dragons
@@anitagofradump5195 Mine got stolen, all the items were transferred off, and it got turned into a rev bot :(
Jagex should just make it mandatory to verify email with captcha after a trail period.
doesnt solve much, can just setup own mail server and have a script auto confirm them
Then they create bots to counter this issue aswell, nothing too major to create...
@@MidnightAhri exactly that, the more non real world applications just make it a hassle to new players wanting into the game. same thing with phone number required. there are workarounds for bots no matter what, all it does is make the really basic scripts upgrade and scare away a player that doesnt want to give out their phone number to a game they just started playing. i mean i have a buddy who plays that was deathly afraid of runelite. and if I were to download a mobile game for the first time and asked for my phone number id immediately dip out.
they already have engines that solve the capchas. its easy to do. phone numbers is also no issue because they can spoof new numbers on demand and get the codes.
They should require mandatory dna analysis for all new osrs accounts, with a full 2000 word proposed timeline detailing the plans you have for the account.
If your gameplay drifts even slightly from your submitted timeline it's punished with an instant perma ban via their state of the art detection AI engine that never fails.
I remembering AHK being heavy advertised on streams YEARS ago
mostly from IRON Aloha on twitch
in the hospital for the next 2 months but I got my laptop, and free wifi, gonna be a good grind :)
Get better :D
Damn bruh, you got corona?
Hope you get better Brodie! Stay hydrated 🤘
corona?
Get well soon. ^_^
Some hotkey / macro programs can be setup to not teleport the mouse, but instead simulate an actual movement with multiple movements, and they let you select an area to click, rather than it being the same pixel everytime. So you can select the area of the inventory slot, and every time it clicks it'll be a different spot within the inventory tile, the same with clicking on a bank, withdrawing items etc. Which if they are detecting scripts via just the same precise inputs being repeated this does subvert that a decent amount
2 and half years later and there are still tons of bots on every world making bow string in lumby. it's kinda depressing.
I would love to see a video on RS3 bots. the detection systems are a lot more advanced but f2p is still riddled.
agreed
If it doesn’t have the spooky music in the back I don’t want it
yup yup yup
I haven't even played RuneScape and I don't like MMOs but I love these videos. Keep up the great work man.
Would love a Pug vlog w your normal spooky background music
"He figured out how to hack into bot accounts" big kek moment
Love the content dude. Did you see UIM Verf's latest vid of the 10m chaos runes in the Tz-Har cave store? Might be worth a peek!
Ironmen sell chaos runes there for tokkul (for the onyx)
Why isn't Jagex implementing email confirmation to stop most of the bots from being created?
Lmao, there's something called temp mail to counter that
@@wealthofmind145 it doesn't counter it. You have to go into an email to activate the account. That can not be automated yet
shit he found my bronze axe mugger farm
they might have removed the "mouse cursor teleporting" detection when mobile was released
Can’t they tell if you’re on desktop or mobile
@@APB111 There are ways to run the mobile version on a desktop.
No lol it never existed to begin with. They use different methods to detect if you're a bot
I use AHK when I play OSRS on Windows. I play in a unique way, where I have left-click bound to my keyboard, and the best way I’ve found to do this is by using AHK. I bind left click to both F4 and F5. I’ve not been banned in 3+ years of playing, despite numerous warnings from Jagex stating they can “detect” when AHK is running.
I love how these botters always dress their bots up in little matching outfits
This felt like a news story/weather forecast. It's comical to see this never ending battle which probably does net Jagex a decent profit,
Tbf, new players get the feeling of populated worlds, while Jagex makes money from P2P Bonds, and botters continue because they make money. Its a win win.
Is it possible Jagex doesn't enforce anything because each account is a paying member? It's $11 per account. That adds up.
now its soft clay in fala shop, just checked ahahahah
BUY IT ALL
@@SirPugger we are doing it, btw they are comming from rimmington. This farm has combination of numbers in nickname, they mine at rimm, water on the way to shop and then sell soft clay to shop
@@crismeister4105 Yea came across a shop full of the bots, like 7 of them.. all seemed busy having their trade window open for the shop. After awhile they all hopped worlds. Managed to get around 100 soft clays 1gp each lol, weren't much but its practically free 20k
would have been bank loot 20 years ago
@@XtremeDrake Wait, why didn't the bot owner buy those clays at the same rate?
Times sure have changed... From yew tree bots to jugs of water to training at muggers
A Friend said that the succesfull ahk scripts use recorded 20 minute sessions of actual play as the base to the script.
I think that ahk might have become harder to ban since mobile, the cursor teleporting across the screen was suspicious, but now you can play on mobile that's exactly what happens
Jagex:no bots!!
Us: I hacked a bot so you could ban it.
Jagex: your not suppose to do that....
Question for anyone but why do bots do emots?
The most common place is castle wars right infront of the bank chest but ive also seen them in the church near the Incando dwarf (knight's sword quest).
They log in, dance, then log out.
Suspicious activity in Runescape. *Shows* *his* *youtube* *channel.*
I'm starting to genuinely believe that you have bot farms at this point.
He probably does. A lot less suspicious to be the guy “bot busting”
@@Monahandsom3 I know right.
@@SkilledGamingAus lol you really hate this guy dont you. I can tell from your past comments on his videos. But yeah I really think he has a bot farm.
I will have too, I'm a programmer and it's not really that difficult, macros, hotkeys and color recognition. On my way party hat!
Actually AHK bots are undetectable and it's due to the addition of the mobile clients. You used to have the ability to determine pretty easily if a player was using a (simple) AHK bot because the cursor would be teleporting around all over the place but now it's indistinguishable from a touch event. The reason the bot you mentioned got banned was almost certainly due to the hours it was being played.
As if Jagex can't see if you're logged onto the mobile client or not... Lol
@@RobainOSRS I'm sure they can. It's not a far stretch from "download AHK" to "use any third party client that spoofs the client indicator"
regarding the AHK scripts, most do not click the same pixel the whole time. you can write the script to click within a box of pixels in a certain area, which is what a lot of these bots do, to make it more humanlike. also, a lot of the scripts don't "teleport" the mouse. you can add mouse curves, or even make the mouse reach certain "gravitational points" where you want the cursor to travel to before reaching the target pixel box. and it's not really that hard to create your own script to do this.
Just program a PID controller and tune it to be underdamped and viola you have organic mouse movements
If he stops playin the song on this type of video, I stop watching. Period. Gives me the chills I need. This is my drama tv. 😂😂😂
theres an odd amount of lvl 3's going back and forth between lumbridge and the wizards tower at draynor
You mentioned AHK and how typically those style bot scripts go to the same pixel for the same action each time, but you can actually program it to click within a certain area of pixels. I’m not a programmer, but I did learn a little bit about AHK scripting many years ago when Diablo 3 came out. I wasn’t actually using any scripts to bot, I was using them to automate stuff like quick gear and skill changes, though that is still against Blizzard’s ToS I believe. Similar to RS, the inventory has square tile-like slots, so I would write the scripts to click within a certain area at random, and the area would basically be just a smaller square I designated in each inventory slot. So say if the slot is actually 200x200 pixels, I would tell it to click anywhere with 100x100.
It’s been a long time since I’ve written any scripts for anything and I’ve basically forgotten all I learned. I honestly wish I still remembered how to write some simple scripts because they’re incredibly handy for tons of different games, even when you aren’t using them to gain any advantage. For example, I would write simple scripts to repeat certain key inputs at 5 times per second so that I didn’t have to spam a key on my keyboard and wear out my keys, I could just hold the key down and it would repeat the input. You can actually do this in windows settings but you can’t make it do it for specific keys, it just does it for any key press. I would make all sorts of handy little shit like that. Now that I’m really thinking about it, I kinda want to start reading up on the language again so I can make some stuff for other games I’m playing. Quality of life stuff though, not cheating type stuff lol. Great video though!
A clarification on your AHK script segment: only the dumbest people create bots that click on the exact same pixels. It's rudimentary to create an area to click in. You can select random points within that area. Lower ban rates if you use Gaussian. Jagex does not ban based off of mouse movement, only click patterns. They can detect mouse movement and can detect whether or not clicks are hardware or virtual clicks, but this seems to have very little effect. Color-bots that follow the above rules are banned considerably less frequently than reflection and injection bots. Reflection ban rates are most likely lower now that 3rd party clients are the norm and you can reflect off Runelite without raising any flags. Mobile bots are the lowest ban rate and if you write your own scripts you're almost guaranteed not to get banned. You can even violate the clicking exact pixel rule from my testing since being on a mobile device seems to be enough to deter auto detection since Jagex was probably worried about getting false positives and deterring new mobile players.
Can't recall ever seeing any proof of the idea that the Gaussian pattern reduces ban rates but I know its been used for well over a decade. Jagex probably has a visual heatmap of clicks or something, so I could imagine its true in practice and not just theory.
Pretty sure in AHK you can make it so your clicks aren't always at the same pixel, you can have quite a bit of variance. Hard to detect besides accounts that are running for longer periods of time without breaks.
Thanks, you just taught me how to mule gold from my trade restricted bots.
I dont know if they are bots but i seen several lvl 29s log in at the ore store in jatizso while i was doing fremink isles buy the coal and then world hop, the ore is 69 gp in the store and sells on ge for 159gp and restocks pretty fast. i have not seen another real player while doing this quest so its safe to say these bots are probably not getting reported considering they are only in the world for about 10 seconds to buy the ore and then hop.
Update: i have seen about 5 of them within 10 minutes and they all have similar names so its safe to say they are probably bots haha.
I make my own AHK scripts and keep them for personal use. Things like fletching and cooking mostly, but I have a consistent blackjacking script that I run in between pouch openings and manual healing. I’ve run cooking and fletching scripts overnight for a full 6-hour log and nothing ever happens. I’ve had no problems with the mouse movements being identical but you can use an optional “time to move mouse” input to make the mouse drag rather than teleport, as well as some clever random integer functions to make it move to a slightly different spot every time within a certain radius to make the movements look more natural. I think the reason that the tele-mouse shit doesn’t get flagged is because 1:1 keybinds which automatically move the mouse are allowed by jagex explicitly for use in things like a multi-button gaming mouse. It’s probably not coded as something that’ll trip the botwatch for this reason.
flesh crawler bots probably just collect a crapton of herbs while training magic
Jagex: Yeah it may be against the rules, *_but not if you're hacking bot accounts_*
Best 2 methods for emails for botting. One, buy your own domain and have all emails go there. Two, make one gmail account, then add +1 and keep going up by one for each created account. All emails go to the original email without a +#
Hey Pugger I think I found some Bot activity. I was cooking potatoes at the Nardah bank, when I would occasionally see some level 13 - 15 players loging in and trading with a level 3. The 13-15s had amulets of glory and air staffs so I think they are air orb bots trading their orbs or gp to the level 3 mule. If you want to find them I always play on world 320 and it was around 4:30 when I saw most of them.
Theres always bots in the Hosidius Kitchen filling up jugs of water right next to the bank chest. Always find several level 3s on different worlds that stand there for hours doing it
4:04-4:06, theres a really quiet beep in the background. This is in a lot of your vids, is it a smoke detector?
No its a rape alarm
It’s me calling him
How tf did u notice that u sociopath
Do you even know what sociopath means? 😂
Sounds like pokemon pc
My guess:
On members worlds flesh crawlers have a 1/20 chance to drop 10 noted iron. Magic can probably be trained rapidly so they can run bots to get magic and then set them down there. Nobody does flesh crawlers so it's something they can set up to train magic to sell later while also getting noted iron that stacks that they can sell on the ge.
AHK is actually very easy to use, I actually use it on minecraft servers to farm items, since its really that easy. I don't use it for Runescape since I don't play it often at all, but just know that it would not be hard for any person to make an AHK script to farm for them.
Keep it up hoss. I dont play any more, but you singlehandedly recaptured my interest in Osrs.
there is a bot farm north of lumbridge just next to the hops patch training thieving on farmers. all of them have variarions of the same name as well as similar outfits
I was given a "grinderscape" ad twice in this video.
The point of ahk scripts are that they are so simple to randomize the clicks in that finding them is difficult
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AHK scripts can be made to have random integers around the area of clicking, so it doesn't click the same pixel every time. It's a powerful programming tool, and if you can think of the math behind something, you can do it with AHK. I've used it to avoid logging out in other MMOs that had anticheat by making the script click on different parts of the screen every 1-14 minutes. Since it was so random when the button would be pressed, their anticheat would never catch me unless I left it running for too many days.
AHK does not need to teleport the mouse btw. You can totally allow the mouse to move from point to point just as if you move the mouse with your hand without teleporting. You can also randomize clicks in within area with randomized sleeps within a range. I highly doubt the scripts that he makes are simply move from here to here and click with no deviation at all.
Pretty sure I ran into bots at the Hosidius Kitchen filling jugs of water
Same! The chest is directly opposite the sink, so they just keep turning, filling, and banking.
Every break I take from rs I end up being hacked, maybe some type of bot? My bro seen my account log in last time, I was 45 mins to late. They bought a bond and drained me. I had pin and all so theyd priorly disabled everything weeks before.
Jager cannot detect which pixel a person clicks on. In order to identify every single pixel the player clicks, i imagine it would take a lot of processing strength to catalogue every single one
There's a ton of zalcano bots with stats just high enough to complete song of the elves and some of them have thousands of zalcano kc
Well, technically, he didn't hack into the accounts. He was just reclaiming the RS account that belongs to his new email address...
I'd argue it's hacking. Not your run-of-the-mill Matrix-screen hacking, but in some way social hacking.
its called social engineering hacking... so yes it is hacking.
@@mannisingh4950 lol "social engineering hacking" that's not a thing. The "hacking" part is 100% unnecessary
@@mcdonkey500 I've got a university degree in I.T Com Tech and dedicated a whole semester to social engineering hacking, try again kid.
Idk how well known this one is, but maybe check out the mage training arena (especially graveyard)! Awesome vid again!
You can get pretty crafty with ahk. You can script it to move the mouse in an arc to vaguely mimic a more human mouse movement. You can also vary/randomize where the mouse clicks each time so it’s less obvious
You know how to set them up?
@@jakehager1041 its easy
the only problem with judging bots based on mouse teleporting across screen are touch screens and mobile apps where that is the only type of input.
Is it truly hacking into a account if they chose to use your email?
SirPugger, check out the bots pickpocketing the master farmer in draynor village nonstop. They all have the same base skin or have a few levels and the same outfit. It's crazy on every single world that I've checked (around 20)
i've used ghost mouse for all of my bank standing skills and no ban here. might be because i did a 15-20 minutes recording so it looks random enough for their bot system, even used it for 99 smithing at the blast furnace
You're the kind of person that complains about "jagex's flawed detection system" when they finally catch you
The less actions per tick required to do the action makes it harder to detect boting. I have a large amount of experience using auto clicker to play RS3 and I've auto clicked over 5 99s using various afk methods in game (Harps, Swarm Fishing, Mining post-rework) as well as event methods (summoning 99-xmas event, dungeon/herb/agility 99-Summer Skill-off) all without being banned. I have however gotten softbans while doing things like fletching arrows and teleport spamming. This is in Rs3 at that, which has better bot detection then OSRS (Jagex has confirmed this).
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i experienced the trick with the wine too. but it was with soft clay, i have never bought so much soft clay
He must’ve signed up for hundreds of email addresses lol
This makes me think that I'm in danger of being hacked not only by the bots themselves but hacked by people who think I'm a bot as well if I'm skilling a lot.
Ahk is a language, just like any other Scripting language it can do almost anything. It isn't just limited to color or pixel searching, it can do anything. Most of the Bots or Scripts used in Botting clients are made with similar languages, if not AHK itself.
bro you don't look like a "sir pugger"
definitely a compliment
Pugger sounds like Chills if Chills spoke normally
I use a system like HK but its in C++.
Mouse doesnt teleport around and moves like if a real person is moving the mouse, it takes breaks for "bathroom" and can read the screen into raw data.
While very basic it can detect inventory items, mines, trees from the pixels.
I never do same activity for long and i change the code daily.
My favotire one is for HA 😅
fleshcrawler bots definitely arent new. I remember them being there when osrs first came out.
Those were afkers
3:45 You can apparently program AHK to move the cursor with a realistic speed and pattern.
Yeah he obliviously was only seeing the very basic AHK scripts. They are practically impossible to detect if someone knows what they are doin. You can set cursor speed, timing, and randomize it all. There is even an youtuber that shows you how to do it.
@@aggressivelyaveragesinging9632 funily enough I tried to do a script for rs3, so it could make maple into sticks. I tested with 25k logs and the day after, I was not banned. Threw the loot away. I know that it is bad to do this, but I tried it to see how difficult it was. It is NOT DIFFICULT. if you do not move the camera, you just need to randomize 2 values, height and width between a certain value and tell the mouse to move to those coords. It's insane how their system does not detect someone almost perfect timing scripting for like 12 hours..
@@bazooka712 They don't check accounts that aren't manually reported
Squeal Of Fortune not true at all
@@squealoffortune8537 there are so many things that can be flagged. I doubt anyone has the patience to be 12 hours focused on the game, not missing a single click or no intervals.
Dunno if anyone else has noticed bots north of the fairy ring south of Tai Bwo Wanna but it's usually just a bunch of bots standing around with Dramen Staff. They all have 70+ fishing
The flesh crawler bot isn’t new, i saw that right when osrs came out
i carry too much bills to warrant a minimalized wallet and i typically dont carry it in my pocket unless im going into a store otherwise i keep in my backpack along with my car jump starter and tools
There has been a massive jump in bots that I think are designed for luring? They're high levels, low levels and anything in between. They hang out at GE and all claim the same thing: Buying with xxxB, Buying x for x, "Hellllooooooo? Buying claws"
You'll trade, and it'll get instantly accepted. When you add the item requested, it'll instantly be canceled and it'll spit you a line about "Meet my main at Camelot. That's where the money is."
I never made it to Camelot.
At first I thought these were players, until I noticed: They all have the same scripts, and the trade/cancel happens immediately after you click.
I've noticed them on world's 330 and 305.
I can't help but wonder, because they're all different levels and all wearing different things, were these legitimate accounts that got phished? Or just alts turned bots? Is it a whole network tied to a group? Or just one person? I'm about as subtle as a RPG blast in the desert at midnight, so I'd never be able to investigate this. :( Just sending the tip off.
This is legit an advertisement for the bots lol “just don’t not 18 hours a day”
So Is there no way to spot/break bots as they complete tutorial island? Surely this would slow down bigger farms?
Go to the temple of zamorak near the goblin village,
On the top floor you will see tons of people, but this guy has been in there for almost a month 24/7. If you want to know this guy he's in W397, the name is FaceFace.
I was doing The Knight's sword and bumped on those mugger killers. As a returning player it is sad to see more bots than players in the free worlds.
I quit this game like 6 years but I still love ur vids!
There is new thieving bots in lummby beside the hops patch and there is agility bots in Pollnivneach rooftops
If they have an email address they don't own and *you* own that email address, then how could it be hacking? You didn't hack the email address. You didn't steal their email address. It's your email address. You can't point to a single thing you did wrong by requesting a password reset. Technically you own the RS account because you own the email address.
So I have experience making bots, and one thing that most beginning selfscripted botters know these days is that a teleporting cursor can be detected but cant be used against bots because some people are handicapped and play the game using programms to make their cursor teleport using hotkeys for example, or using eye controlls. Jagex as one of few supports the use of this for the handicapped people out there. So teleporting cursors are not used in detecting bots anymore.
shut up.
So I came across a new bot far I've never seen before. It's not very tricky or difficult but the amount of bots and multiple worlds they're in. Im sure they are massing a fortune and damaging the GE prices for real players. W319. W320. W329 After 2:00am pst.
Lumbridge Castle. Running from too floor bank to 2nd floor spinner wheel. There is 20 to 30 bots in each world. I hoped 5 worlds and found them in ever single one. They have random names, outfits, and 98% are all level 3 with no armor or clothing
So apparently you know already. I just had to wait 15 minutes into the video. It's easy 4 or 500 bots between servers.
For water jug filling bots I've been seeing just a few at hosidious kitchen
It's good to finally put SirPugger's voice to a face