I recommend updating the title of the video to "Armored Core 6 - $1000 No-Ban Tournament" (or structured like this) for a better chance at the algorithm picking this up and recommending it to everyone who's liked AC6 videos before :)
I never knew that people were hosting a tournament like this if I had known I would have definitely practiced and supported it with all of my might. Please keep up the content, let us know when the next one is!
You guys actually provide really good commentary. Also, "Lightweights can be good if you substantially outplay your opponent" = lightweights are bad. Imo, if they don't want to add turn speed back in, they just need to narrow the defense/AP gap between heavy and light. As a lightweight player, I tried a heavyweight build on my fourth playthrough and it is unbelievable how much easier the game becomes.
If FromSoft just 1.5x the range of rifles, and increased the cost of Assault Boost or remove it entirely and replace it with Overboost (for heavies only), lightweights will now have more options than just missile ratting
Thing is, lightweight builds have a much higher ability to allow you to outplay the opponent. There are times where it does not matter what you do on a heavy, you will get hit and there is nothing you can do to avoid it. This is pretty much never the case on a lightweight, which has so much speed and energy recovery that they always have options available. The issue is with netcode, the fact that explosive damage is attacker side is a big issue because that's the type of damage you want to avoid most as a lightweight and being at the mercy of netcode to dodge it is a huge disadvantage. But even with that, an optimally played lightweight will ALWAYS beat an optimally played heavy because the lightweight physically cannot be hit if their skill is high enough. And that's why the argument of "as long as you outplay your opponent" holds water, because lightweights are the only build type that always has the ability to outplay the opponent at any time.
@@Ghorda9that is true but having a having high skill floor means that you should be rewarded more or the reward risk ratio should be higher than a low skill floor build.
18:43 I'm pretty sure chrightt's research showed that PA Interference is a fake stat, it's just a proportional relationship to how much the weapon's impact drains shields. You can derive a "PA Interference" value for any weapon if you knew the formula--in other words, it's not actually any EXTRA shield damage, it's just another way of presenting what the existing impact does. That's why you can delete a pulse armor instantly with double Morley, despite that weapon having no PA interference stat.
Basically the PA interference only applies to energy, or more specifically pulse weapons, which increases the stagger you take when you have a shield up.
The arrow works like a Dragon Ball beam clash - you push it towards your opponent until they're dead. And if you're winning, your side flashes with power.
I think making regular vids like weekly or byweekly videos explaining what the current meta builds are and why they are strong could be realy great ti help develop the counterplays
Hey Striker, great content! I’m watching the vod on twitch and I’m in the top 16. My only thought is that maybe you should allow the loser to swap expansions. Like you have to enter the match with the expansion you submit with your build but the loser can swap for game 2. Regardless I’m hyped for the next tournament you host!
Man, i really missed the podcast last week 😢 Edit: damn, that kicking tech with the wheelchair to fly with less energy consumption was really nice. I never liked it for other legs, but never tried it on the wheelchair before.
I'll be getting back to Armoredcast ASAP. Took a bit of a mental health break after this tournament. Was a ton of work to organize (did about 7 and a half hours of paperwork for the build lock alone). Expect Armoredcast to be back to its weekly schedule very soon! : )
This was a pretty fun event. It's just a shame that several people were holding up the event. Can't wait to play more tournaments and represent DXM in the future!
Lol, like it's any mystery why Fasan was meta in Japan-- the latency darlings. It's a consistent pattern throughout their metas-- weapons and tactics that benefit from bad connections to other regions are the most popular. This isn't meant as any kind of shot about Japanese people-- just pointing out it's no surprise the region that benefits from connection latency the most leans toward weapons that this favors.
I loved the tournament! I wish I could've played more games (and spread the Rat around) but I still had a ton of fun doing stats stuff with all the build submissions.
I always forget how devastating a laser slicer punish can be. And I thought Pile Bunker was dangerous 😂 a Pile Bunker can delete somebody from existence but takes more skill to land and favors a highly aggressive play style. I watched a Japanese streamer who was so insanely aggressive that the whole time I was watching his match, I kept yelling Jesus Christ Internally. I had never seen a pilot assault boost so much in my life of AC6. Any time he had energy, he was assault boosting. Dude ended every match with a perfectly placed Pile Bunker. Honestly dunno what’s scarier, a great pilot with an aggressive Pile Bunker play style or a laser slicer pilot with the same play style. I think the Bunker is less punishable.
Thanks for uploading, always nice to see what crazy builds good players are running and get some new ideas. I feel like if shields were to be nerfed, they should make them weaker to melee weapons (not kicks) by 1) not absorbing as much impact and 2) not preventing hitstun from melee weapons, or keep those two intact but make shields get disabled for a few seconds after eating a melee hit. Not sure if that's the best way to do it but it'd make them less universally strong.
I knew the plasma cannon was good from the moment I fought Maeterlinck. She's one of the only NPC pilots that has insta kill combo'd me and it's because of the power of that full charge coming out shield. Honestly surprised her build was so slept on in the NPC tournament because she has probably the best built AC in all the Vespers since it's a light-medium designed for flight with high dps energy weapons to make use of the high energy pec on her generator. Nothing clashes like with other Vespers although her head and arms could be a little more tanky imo.
@@BlueIron64 Same! She's part of my rotation with King and Michigan. I joke to my friends "Maeterlinck is smurfing arena" lol! I'll never get over the time she called snail for help and pulled the "but not for me!" meme and blasted me away with her plasma cannon cuz I wasn't at full hp. (I was a melee build getting a little over aggressive)
There is also a decent amount of movement tech that Bornemissza can do to catch LWs. Chrightt just didn't know of it. Which makes sense, they are a content creator and an author so they are most definitely busy lol
You know. I really wanna see people try dual bad cook with explosive throwers. Its gonna be interesting since people needs to rush into you and if they do just switch to the explosive thrower and push them away. Explosive thrower have that ACS burst which the bad cook doesn’t and combined with the abnormal status its gonna be really easy to stance break people.
Where's your poke damage though? Anything that can play beyond 200 is NEVER going to come into your range. Are you planning on chasing with extremely close range weapons?
The pulse shield is not a new thing. Meep has been using it in vids for a while. He runs an Alba based frame with dual 16s, shield and shield launcher. I personally have a fun build that uses dagger, slicer, weuger, and shield launcher. I use the launcher not only for defense while reseting but also offensively for stagger. Get the range right and it does great stagger, plus it does do damage. I do think the launcher is better on a kite build but it does have several uses and is slept on. Also, question...coral has no defense. The moonlight vs redshift, which actually does more damage? What stat reduces damage from melee? The moonlight has a higher charge damage but if coral has no defense to stop it does the moonlight actually do more damage?
This was pretty fun to watch, but as someone that I has never played the game or really know much about it a quick primer at the start on some of the terms would have been nice. Still have no idea what an expansion? is.
I do need to start doing that. I'll be honest I focus so much on commentary that I forget to do that. Will slap a sticky note to my monitor next time I run a tournament lol
@@strikerhutassa that's understandable, i just notice this same thing from all tournaments i watched so i was wondering Commentary here is one of the best I've seen so far, very engaging so keep it up!
>no one using fasan Oh you sweet summer child. Taka has been using fasans since, like, week 4. Fasan's just hard to justify on biped. On tanks? Shit's great. Jp meta has a lot more tonk. Here in the west, we have taka. That's it. There's a few guys on the ac discord that run the hiwami chair. But it's not our jam.
Also it would be awesome if you had someone spectate the other opponent and stream both screens side by side. And throw the commentators ontop of the screens on the bottom right. 😅
so often when i watch this kind of video, i think ''Maybe i should try armored core 6 pvp'' but then i realise everyone runs meta and only uses what works well, and as we all know, there is no place for fun or lower skill levels in the meta
I really like Chrightt, but the gameplay they showed off against the Aurora rat was very disappointing... it felt like a let-down that they won, which is a confusing feeling to have towards someone I think highly of.
I mean what was the alternative? Fly at the tank and just get stat checked? The tank has double his health, is more heavily armored, and is using weapons notoriously difficult to dodge. Why would he fight it toe-to-toe? It would have been idiocy. He won the only way a lightweight could have won that match up.
I do too. Though you can check the description of the video for links to both the Xbox and Playstation community discord servers! Go check them out. They host events themselves which is really cool
they're not legitimizing it they're running no bans tournaments to underline how broken some things are so the devs know what to adjust in future updates
agreed. The build i have had the most success with is this perfect rat build that never ever has to touch ground yet it's so not fun to win this way i've let some players win more than once (i discovered you can make a draw happen this way btw, if no players engage in the fight). I had to work on that build but beyond that it doesn't scratch that AC itch I think the issue runs deeper though, a build like chartreuse's umber ox only has to hover and shoot its guns one after the other to get a win and it's no fun either. There's almost no strategy in it, no hiding behind buildings or using the scan, etc
No one is legitimizing anything. Tournaments like these show what weapons and builds are broken. So that the devs know what needs to be balanced. That being said. Aren't dual majestics even more fkin boring?
This competition was incredible.
I hope the devs are paying attention,the hunger for mecha PvP is real!
ow we just need mecha pve co op
I recommend updating the title of the video to "Armored Core 6 - $1000 No-Ban Tournament" (or structured like this) for a better chance at the algorithm picking this up and recommending it to everyone who's liked AC6 videos before :)
Yoooo you got noticed
Well, that kinda worked lmao.
it worked i found it
It works! Tnks! ❤
it worked for me
I never knew that people were hosting a tournament like this if I had known I would have definitely practiced and supported it with all of my might. Please keep up the content, let us know when the next one is!
Tournaments will continue in January unless we get a patch this month! If that happens I will host an emergency patch tournament
This was such a pleasure to be a part of! Keep rocking on, Striker!
this tournament was so hype, absolutely amazing production!
I might not be a PvP person, but watching this is sooo good. Didn't know there's tournament for AC PvP.
I may not be able to hold a candle to him but Ramen Rook is the reason I'm still holding out as a lightweight main 💪
You guys actually provide really good commentary. Also, "Lightweights can be good if you substantially outplay your opponent" = lightweights are bad. Imo, if they don't want to add turn speed back in, they just need to narrow the defense/AP gap between heavy and light. As a lightweight player, I tried a heavyweight build on my fourth playthrough and it is unbelievable how much easier the game becomes.
having a higher skill floor doesn't mean it's worse and pve balance doesn't mean anything for pvp.
If FromSoft just 1.5x the range of rifles, and increased the cost of Assault Boost or remove it entirely and replace it with Overboost (for heavies only), lightweights will now have more options than just missile ratting
Thing is, lightweight builds have a much higher ability to allow you to outplay the opponent. There are times where it does not matter what you do on a heavy, you will get hit and there is nothing you can do to avoid it. This is pretty much never the case on a lightweight, which has so much speed and energy recovery that they always have options available. The issue is with netcode, the fact that explosive damage is attacker side is a big issue because that's the type of damage you want to avoid most as a lightweight and being at the mercy of netcode to dodge it is a huge disadvantage. But even with that, an optimally played lightweight will ALWAYS beat an optimally played heavy because the lightweight physically cannot be hit if their skill is high enough. And that's why the argument of "as long as you outplay your opponent" holds water, because lightweights are the only build type that always has the ability to outplay the opponent at any time.
@@Ghorda9that is true but having a having high skill floor means that you should be rewarded more or the reward risk ratio should be higher than a low skill floor build.
@@dudeiii2069 just read to comment just above you.
Ramen really was the protagonist of the tournament. Too bad he couldn't make it all the way.
I'll do better next time
Just like Rusty...
18:43 I'm pretty sure chrightt's research showed that PA Interference is a fake stat, it's just a proportional relationship to how much the weapon's impact drains shields. You can derive a "PA Interference" value for any weapon if you knew the formula--in other words, it's not actually any EXTRA shield damage, it's just another way of presenting what the existing impact does. That's why you can delete a pulse armor instantly with double Morley, despite that weapon having no PA interference stat.
Basically the PA interference only applies to energy, or more specifically pulse weapons, which increases the stagger you take when you have a shield up.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 I see you have skipped reading my entire comment
this entire tournament looked like so much fun, wish i could reach that skill level lol
the play at 34:35 was absolutely insane. never imagined multiplayer battles could be so cool
The arrow works like a Dragon Ball beam clash - you push it towards your opponent until they're dead.
And if you're winning, your side flashes with power.
I think making regular vids like weekly or byweekly videos explaining what the current meta builds are and why they are strong could be realy great ti help develop the counterplays
I actually do plan on doing this! I have a video in the works talking about Ramens lightweight build and why it's doing well in tournaments!
Happy to watch live and rewatch the highlights. Keep up the great work!
Awesome tournament man!!! Great matches!!!
awesome tournament :D it was a lot of fun. thanks so much for hosting, looking forward to future events!
Awesome tournament! Looking forward to the next one, maybe I'll have time to enter it.
Hey Striker, great content! I’m watching the vod on twitch and I’m in the top 16.
My only thought is that maybe you should allow the loser to swap expansions. Like you have to enter the match with the expansion you submit with your build but the loser can swap for game 2.
Regardless I’m hyped for the next tournament you host!
Man, i really missed the podcast last week 😢
Edit: damn, that kicking tech with the wheelchair to fly with less energy consumption was really nice. I never liked it for other legs, but never tried it on the wheelchair before.
I'll be getting back to Armoredcast ASAP. Took a bit of a mental health break after this tournament. Was a ton of work to organize (did about 7 and a half hours of paperwork for the build lock alone). Expect Armoredcast to be back to its weekly schedule very soon! : )
@@strikerhutassa then it was necessary, health goes first. Thanks for the content and the awesome tournaments!
This was a pretty fun event. It's just a shame that several people were holding up the event.
Can't wait to play more tournaments and represent DXM in the future!
Daemon X Machina 2 comes out next year right? Hmmm
@@strikerhutassa we're actually not sure. The most we know is that it's being worked on.
@strikerhutassa jw what's the script with console tourny wise
Lol, like it's any mystery why Fasan was meta in Japan-- the latency darlings. It's a consistent pattern throughout their metas-- weapons and tactics that benefit from bad connections to other regions are the most popular.
This isn't meant as any kind of shot about Japanese people-- just pointing out it's no surprise the region that benefits from connection latency the most leans toward weapons that this favors.
Lightweights may not be the most viable but man are they so fun to watch. Much better than watching bazooka tank vs rat knight
I loved the tournament! I wish I could've played more games (and spread the Rat around) but I still had a ton of fun doing stats stuff with all the build submissions.
"Held each other close while they whispered melees into each other's ear."
Killed me xD
I always forget how devastating a laser slicer punish can be. And I thought Pile Bunker was dangerous 😂 a Pile Bunker can delete somebody from existence but takes more skill to land and favors a highly aggressive play style. I watched a Japanese streamer who was so insanely aggressive that the whole time I was watching his match, I kept yelling Jesus Christ Internally. I had never seen a pilot assault boost so much in my life of AC6. Any time he had energy, he was assault boosting. Dude ended every match with a perfectly placed Pile Bunker. Honestly dunno what’s scarier, a great pilot with an aggressive Pile Bunker play style or a laser slicer pilot with the same play style. I think the Bunker is less punishable.
Thanks for uploading, always nice to see what crazy builds good players are running and get some new ideas.
I feel like if shields were to be nerfed, they should make them weaker to melee weapons (not kicks) by 1) not absorbing as much impact and 2) not preventing hitstun from melee weapons, or keep those two intact but make shields get disabled for a few seconds after eating a melee hit. Not sure if that's the best way to do it but it'd make them less universally strong.
Was a really fun event, I am pump for the next one, will make sure to bring another pink spider ^^
Hey I was wondering where I could get my fix of AC6 pvp and then found your channel, you're awesome dude keep it up!
Such a fun tournament to watch! :D
I knew the plasma cannon was good from the moment I fought Maeterlinck. She's one of the only NPC pilots that has insta kill combo'd me and it's because of the power of that full charge coming out shield. Honestly surprised her build was so slept on in the NPC tournament because she has probably the best built AC in all the Vespers since it's a light-medium designed for flight with high dps energy weapons to make use of the high energy pec on her generator. Nothing clashes like with other Vespers although her head and arms could be a little more tanky imo.
Facts 📠 I still test new builds against her because of how floaty and fast her movement is
@@BlueIron64 Same! She's part of my rotation with King and Michigan.
I joke to my friends "Maeterlinck is smurfing arena" lol!
I'll never get over the time she called snail for help and pulled the "but not for me!" meme and blasted me away with her plasma cannon cuz I wasn't at full hp. (I was a melee build getting a little over aggressive)
1:43:00 is the perfect example of why every heavy/tank should have something to reach out and harry an opponent. Probably plasma missiles.
There is also a decent amount of movement tech that Bornemissza can do to catch LWs. Chrightt just didn't know of it. Which makes sense, they are a content creator and an author so they are most definitely busy lol
Hey, fellow ac pilot here! Is this going to be a series of tournaments? Also is there any specific discords and or groups to join?? 0.o
Join the discord in the description of the video. I will be hosting tournaments every other week starting in January!
Been waiting for this re cap
I just got this game for Christmas and am loving it - almost finished my first ending but this is so cool. Gotta new sub in me buddy!
what kind of build is water strider? cant understand it still,just is a tetrapod
You want to be in hover 100% of the game and spec completely into quick boost. P04 booster helps a lot with this
Is there a place to see all of the builds people were using?
This is so fun to watch
You know. I really wanna see people try dual bad cook with explosive throwers. Its gonna be interesting since people needs to rush into you and if they do just switch to the explosive thrower and push them away. Explosive thrower have that ACS burst which the bad cook doesn’t and combined with the abnormal status its gonna be really easy to stance break people.
Where's your poke damage though? Anything that can play beyond 200 is NEVER going to come into your range. Are you planning on chasing with extremely close range weapons?
Awesome tournament!
when kinetic weapons and energy weapons tier lists?
Shields are up next! Expect the video soon
Fire intro 🔥🔥
You have not seen anything yet homie. New mod came out for the game and I have upped my intro game SUBSTANTIALLY
Super glad to see this
How do you build hte lightweight build? Apprantly it was so common its called like VBO or something?
Buff Explosive Thrower.
holy shit man i couldn't even keep up watching their movements, their EN feels like its infinite with how they're using it
The pulse shield is not a new thing. Meep has been using it in vids for a while. He runs an Alba based frame with dual 16s, shield and shield launcher. I personally have a fun build that uses dagger, slicer, weuger, and shield launcher. I use the launcher not only for defense while reseting but also offensively for stagger. Get the range right and it does great stagger, plus it does do damage. I do think the launcher is better on a kite build but it does have several uses and is slept on.
Also, question...coral has no defense. The moonlight vs redshift, which actually does more damage? What stat reduces damage from melee? The moonlight has a higher charge damage but if coral has no defense to stop it does the moonlight actually do more damage?
Striker be tryna say 1000 things in one sentence slow down buddy lol
I'm just really excited lol
I recognize that AC2 music
Hey now I have something to watch.
Been using fasan on Xbox since launch love that thang cooldown is not too horrible either with that 20b damage is ridiculous
This was pretty fun to watch, but as someone that I has never played the game or really know much about it a quick primer at the start on some of the terms would have been nice. Still have no idea what an expansion? is.
Do you have an unexpired link to the psn discord server?
I have so much to learn..... *headdesk*
Can someone explain the water strider build
Its a build designed to be extremely fast while in the tetrapod hover mode. Really cool build that I will be making a video on soon!
i have found my people
why do yall typically only view the match from one players perspective?
wouldn't rotating camera view after each round be a better representation?
I do need to start doing that. I'll be honest I focus so much on commentary that I forget to do that. Will slap a sticky note to my monitor next time I run a tournament lol
@@strikerhutassa that's understandable, i just notice this same thing from all tournaments i watched so i was wondering
Commentary here is one of the best I've seen so far, very engaging so keep it up!
Freakin wicked.
AC6 multiplayer needs a tournament bracket mode, 8 players could make a 3 round tournament
I may be wrong but id love to see a winner bracket and loser bracket for these competitions.
If its not in place
How do i get in contact with you? (Y)
Check the link in the description for my discord and shoot me a DM
Thermidor is pretty good, I play against them alot. When was this held?
Last weekend on November 18th!
Is this the guy running away the whole game?
3v1Boss Preset would be a fun game mode.
Is it normal to play on M&K?
Ya i need to keep playing this game.
>no one using fasan
Oh you sweet summer child. Taka has been using fasans since, like, week 4. Fasan's just hard to justify on biped. On tanks? Shit's great. Jp meta has a lot more tonk. Here in the west, we have taka. That's it. There's a few guys on the ac discord that run the hiwami chair. But it's not our jam.
Also it would be awesome if you had someone spectate the other opponent and stream both screens side by side. And throw the commentators ontop of the screens on the bottom right. 😅
Cant wait to enter the next
I was curious about trying armored core pvp, it looks fun but that rat tank play style looks singularly annoying to play against lmao. Poor bong water
does ramen have a yt?
Is this tournament on pc or console?
PC
@@strikerhutassa darn I got some guud builds I wanted to test out
so often when i watch this kind of video, i think ''Maybe i should try armored core 6 pvp'' but then i realise everyone runs meta and only uses what works well, and as we all know, there is no place for fun or lower skill levels in the meta
BUFF MAJESTIC
Could you add the doc with all the builds in the description?
All of the builds are in the discord server!
My match is literally the longest bruh 😂😂😂😭😭💀
How are you guys dealing with the lag?
We have minimum internet requirements for this tournament. Turned out pretty dang well.
@@strikerhutassa What is the required speed?
@@Babypunt101 It was:
Download: 4mb/s
Upload: 2mb/s
Maximum of 10ms Jitter
i tried the fasan but the truenos are my true love
Winners builds
Is very cool
Idea
armadillo!!!!!
What does the "no bans" mean? No mods?
This means that you can use any *meta* setup during the tournament
@@nachalnik5738 another one of ac6's lame attributes.
@@DRNT940 you have a permission to cry more, lol
@@nachalnik5738 never needed to begin with.
@nachalnik5738 and you really think everyone filtering down to use one set of weapons and frame make for a better game? That's rediculous.
.....no bugged oscillator gamers?
There was one. Thermidor was using it on a double melee build and got 23rd
Lightweights are insane on console
I really like Chrightt, but the gameplay they showed off against the Aurora rat was very disappointing... it felt like a let-down that they won, which is a confusing feeling to have towards someone I think highly of.
I mean what was the alternative? Fly at the tank and just get stat checked? The tank has double his health, is more heavily armored, and is using weapons notoriously difficult to dodge. Why would he fight it toe-to-toe? It would have been idiocy.
He won the only way a lightweight could have won that match up.
One of best players in Japan vs PROFESSORBONGWATER took me OUT😂
Man do I wish there was crossplay.
I do too. Though you can check the description of the video for links to both the Xbox and Playstation community discord servers! Go check them out. They host events themselves which is really cool
white glint? .... all those silly legends.... they die today.
Rat spanking ❤
Imagine if hard lock was banned. Jesus this looks bad.
Today I can confirm that ac builds are unbalanced af
All around cool tourney but that Blank/Chrightt set was so boring
Yeah it's unfortunate that Chrightt didn't know the counterplay to Blank's ratting. Kick with your tanks gamers!
And they say armored core6 pvp doesn’t take skill
rat play is boring stop trying to legitimate it
they're not legitimizing it they're running no bans tournaments to underline how broken some things are so the devs know what to adjust in future updates
agreed. The build i have had the most success with is this perfect rat build that never ever has to touch ground yet it's so not fun to win this way i've let some players win more than once (i discovered you can make a draw happen this way btw, if no players engage in the fight). I had to work on that build but beyond that it doesn't scratch that AC itch
I think the issue runs deeper though, a build like chartreuse's umber ox only has to hover and shoot its guns one after the other to get a win and it's no fun either. There's almost no strategy in it, no hiding behind buildings or using the scan, etc
Just don't be slow ez
No one is legitimizing anything. Tournaments like these show what weapons and builds are broken. So that the devs know what needs to be balanced. That being said. Aren't dual majestics even more fkin boring?
Can't catch a rat? Your build is bad.
Risa is a Men I Trust enjoyer I see.
Can confirm!
*points at maddiethebug*
THATS MY FUCKIN BESTIEEEEE