Not all of the older PWCs have been taken well cared of as this one. A new one will have all the bells and whistles, the old one will give you problems that you will need to be mechanically inclined to handle. If you want pure fun and a blast.... go for a new one..... if you want to gamble on an older model..... go for an older model. It cost a lot of money to be towed if you break down.
Looks like the acceleration was a dead heat, newer ski just had more top end. I'd say go used all the way. The smaller skis are a lot more fun to throw around any way.
I think the acceleration was due in part by the 2 stroke as well as the weight. The difference is the 4 stroke won't be as much to maintain and be easier on the fuel. If it's worth the cost difference is another question. I would be curious about a 10 year difference more though since you are looking at something that may be mechanically more similar for not much more than the '97 purchase cost wise.
@@grady.stu.8300 when talking about 20yr old you will have more maintenance and a higher chance for breakdowns. I think if you can get a good ski that hasn't just rotted for years used is the good middle ground. I bought a '10 with 650hr on it because in order to have that many hours the maintenance had to be phenomenal. The engine looks better than skis I've seen that are much newer and I won't be upset if something happens to it
It's heavy, longer, bulky, etc. You're not going to ever find something new that's in production that's nimble and light like the 2 stroke hulls were. But they're less durable/take more upkeep.
@@JC021963 I have a 97 gp760, so same hull as the 1200. Sorry, but the spark especially the spark trixx is definitely more nimble. The spark is only 425 pounds which is incredibly light. My gp760 is 470, and the 1200 was 200 pounds more than that.
Haha that 1200 would destroy the spark. Sparks are turds with a old ass style trim system that freestyle stand ups and waveblasters have been using for years. They have as much horse power as a stock 2 stroke gp760. For the price of a spark you could have a older ski that's faster and handles better
@@akgearhead I have a 93 waveblaster with a built gp760 engine in it. The 760 and the spark are both 90hp. I promise you I can walk off amd leave a spark and my ski is only 320lbs and is way more nimble amd handles a hell of alot better then the Tupperware ski lol. You take ur ski and put the handling components and drive train components on it then tell me what's more fun to ride. Sparks are only popular because there less the 10k for most models. They are really just plastic turds. Being a painter/bodyman by trade fiberglass is a hell of alot easier to fix and stronger to repair.
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Some of us are tired of modern big block barges. Smaller hulls are more fun in my opinion unless you are going river camping. That old 1200 is plenty stable. They will rock but it won’t actually flip without a lot of effort. If you want to cut just lower the sponson adjusters and drop the nose a little with the trim. Late 90s skis are great. Unfortunately the market fell victim to the buyers wanting more tech goodies and slowly the desire to never get wet. Tech costs money, and so does extra material to make a 2 seat sports barge. So now we have expensive boring barges. It’s no different than the boat culture moving from skiing behind 19ft pleasure crafts to sitting around getting drunk on a 24ft pontoon with 300hp to pull billy on a tube. We need cheaper boats so we can focus on fun. When was the last time you saw someone out cutting around on a scrap plywood disk? If it isn’t a $500 board kids won’t touch it.
I remember taking the painted plywood disc out. Every time you fell you had to look out because that thing would submerge and then fly up. Go whapped in the head a few times. Grew up on a Malibu sunsetter and that thing was an amazing inboard for the price of a then new Ford Taurus. You can’t get an inboard for under 60k new now and that’s if you’re lucky.
I agree but sadly a saturated market and a customer base that is more casual and trying to accessible to a wider market overall gimmicks and new tech is the only thing that keeps people interested anymore, sad but true, I like the newer hull designs for their stability in the annoying chop of Florida intercostal waters, your take on boats is spot on I am sadly too young to have seen the era where families were fine with a nice 115 powered 19ft skiff to tow their tube I always just stare at people with trips and quads pulling a tube while they also have a skiff with the ability to do the exact same and not destroy the coastal shore lines in some of our sensitive estuaries where these bigger center consoles are just washing the shore away, everything is an opportunity to flex I guess nowadays but I’d also be lying if I’d say I wouldn’t love a Kawasaki Ultra 310lx and a Cape Horn with trip Yamahas to run in the keys and Gulf of Mexico overkill of course but some damn good fun, hope you are well sending well wishes from soflo
I started on the early 90's pwc's (polaris SL and SLT's and seadoo XP). what i loved about them is the ability to jump, spin and slide around - like an ATV on dirt. Getting splashed and trying to hold on in a tight spin or turn was the goal lol. IMO, the newer ski's, while they have higher top end speed, are not as high on the "fun factor" for my riding style and what I enjoy - mainly on inland freshwater lakes, usually not more than 24" wakes or waves. The pwc purchase and rebuild/maintenance cost on a simple 2-stroke engine seals the deal for me. Be safe and have fun - just get out and play - whichever route you go.
I had a Polaris slx 780 that was the funnest ski I ever owned. It just got too expensive to keep it running. I babied that ski for 20 years. Way more fun than the sparks I have now.
@@davidbolander6186 Friend of mine is a polaris nut with a full stockpile of parts to maintain them. He has 6 or 7 polaris ski's currently. 2 or 3 have completely rebuilt zero hour engines ready to go :)
My old 98 GP1200 still smokes most the newer high dollar jetskis. Runs 62 on smooth lake and handles great .Paid $900 for it 13 years ago . Best jetski ever made for the balance of price, performance, and durability The older Kawasaki zxi 1100 are great too . Short and will easily fall over if u have 2nd rider on it, but run like scalded ape and performs like a standup ski as a sor down
You want to know what's great about Kawasaki? They still make jetskis with 150 horsepower engines in them. That GP1800R is supposed to be Yamahas high performance jestski and it only has 120. Thats why new Kawasakis smoke new Yamahas. That 30 horsepower makes a difference. I've done 76 on a STX-15F.
bought my self a 1996 polaris slx 780 and that thing is a riot to take out on the water. my trailer bearing exploded coming back from the UP of michigan and while i was in a gsa station parking lot changing it out, there was an older gentleman that had nothing but praise for these older 90's ski's. he had the same one back in the day and he swore that the old ones were way more fun to ride vs the brand new ones. save a dime and keep the oldies alive
I love your video’s because you address what all us REAL customers/riders want to know! Virtually every TH-camr/reviewer out there only touches on the SALES points and what the manufacturers want them to highlight. My favorite part is you showing the stability while not moving. NO one does that, I am a big guy, This is the type of stuff *I* want to know. Can I ask a favor? Can you shoot a video getting on one of these GP1800R/VX from deep water? Also, if it’s not too personal post rider weight. So we can compare how the unit(s) may react to our own weight. I’d also love to see one of these newer GP1800/VX models and the FX model, with near full weight capacity, how stable is it still? Can 2 full grown adults reboard in deep water? These are the REAL questions!
He had the GP1800R in learning mode, probably unknowingly. Had the 1800R been not in low mode, this video would have been comical. The 1800R would have been bus lengths ahead in the drag race and has a top speed of over 20mph faster.
I have a 94 Yamaha waveraider 700 I love that machine.the smaller machines are just way more fun.cost me $1700 as well so it’s a great bang for my buck
My nephew has a 94 waveraider 701. Its almost as fast as my gp1200. But it dont handle like the gp. He usually gets me on choppy water because of the way my gp jumps out of the water in chop.
Dave C. - I totally agree. My 99 GP1200 handles great but is so light that it doesn’t want to stay in the water. The Waveraider just slices thru choppy water like a torpedo.
Honestly THIS is the best part of his reviews. That he’s a big beautiful guy! We all know skinny noodles can ride any PWC, but us bigger guys it’s not soo easy, especially deep water reboarding and 2-up riding near full craft capacity! That is why video’s from HIS prospective is SOO important!
You hit the nail on the head. Americans have gotten bigger and fatter. The manufactures have noticed. With that said.....;. Older PWC only make sense to the mechanically inclined. If don't know the business end of a screw driver, you have no business owning any older marine machine.
@@FlightLogProductions its so true, while not as big as him im no lightweight and when i see 150lb on a jet ski i have almost no frame of reference. this is especially true for stand ups which is my jam. unfortunately i dont know of any big guys that ride stand ups, even on youtube.
I agree he went with a 1800R and said 20 years why not a 2000 gp1200r or 2003 1300r... You can get a 1200r for like 2500 with trailer and hang all day with most new jet skis.
@@neljetski1073 I just blew my engine in my 92 waverunner looks like it’s $800 for the new engine still cheaper than a new ski so I guess I’m going to fix it
i have a 1999 xl760 and 2002 gp1200r, fixed em up and got everythign good plus double trailer for around 5 grand. for TWO skis. new skis are just too fking expensive
I was shopping in 2008 for an upgrade on my 92 Yamaha 650LX. I took a 2006 Honda FX12 turbo on a test drive. When I left the dock, naturally, I squeezed the throttle, ya know, all the way. The ski shot right off my ass and left me behind. As I floated in the river, I collected my self, looking at the owner who was laughing hysterical, I said I'LL TAKE IT!. After 12 years now, still having wonderful adventures! No mechanical failure outside of the gas tank recall. Still can't believe how far PWCS have come, but the prices are insane! A few dollars more will get you into an entry level boat! But there's always the teamwork factor. That's why I'm a PWC guy all the way.
I just bought a 95 HX myself. Grew up riding a superjet and wave blaster, so I knew I was getting something old from the get go. Anything modern just pales in comparison. Now I just wish I could get the issues the HX is having ironed out. The thing keeps struggling to start (starter was really worn, and I replaced it) and it's failing to crank over with the plugs in when warm. No issues cold, it fires right up. Get it warm though, and suddenly it can't start anymore. Sometimes even acts like it's seized up. Honestly at a bit of a loss as to what the problem is.
@@SaabAholic - I'd thought the same thing. Heard all about how modern fuel ruins these things, so I pulled a fuel line and even opened up the carbs to check. No grey gunk or debris whatsoever. The guy I bought it from told me he never used ethanol fuel, so it seems the fuel system is still pretty pristine.
All I've ever ridden is my 1983 Kawasaki 550 so these all seem like boats to me stability speaking. That said, the shear speed these things are dishing out and the fun of riding with my wife is something I'd consider. I fear boredom but maybe tandem it'd be ok.
Some sponsors, an.intake grate and new bars sound like solid investments for an old ski. Recently adopted a freebie 800 in need of some love myself, nice vid!
I just purchased an 03 yammy three banger with about 10 hours on a complete rebuild, almost 60 mph top however what a blast 👌, it came with a complete Doner bad engine on a two up trailer for 3g , been out many times!!
I used to ride a Yamaha 760 back in the day. It was not the fastest because of power and weight, but sure was a lot of fun! I would totally a couple older ones rather than newer. Sadly, where I live now there is nowhere to ride these.
Hey I appreciate the attempt at comparing the two boats, But you can't take a twenty-year-old two-stroke motor that hasn't been cleaned up and compare it to brand new 4 stroke If that 2-stroke engine was halfway cleaned up it should have pulled multiple boat lengths at the start.
Agreed, 4 stroke needs more than 600cc in extra displacement to even come close to producing the torque that 2 stroke makes. Pumps are a big factor too. Who knows how chewed up that impeller is on the 1200 much less the wear ring. Ill bet that 1200, is performing at no more that 85% of its true stock ability. Wont even start on questioning last top-end rebuild.
I recently bought a 95 Sea-Doo HX. Grew up on a 91 Superjet and 93 Wave Blaster. They just don't make them like they used to. Today's PWC's are far too big, far too heavy, and don't handle remotely the same. Edit: Lmao. Talking about a lack of stability as he stands nearly entirely on one side of the ski. The ski's I'm used to are so unstable most people can't even get on them. They're actually more difficult to ride the slower you go, and remounting one in deep water is infamously difficult. I'm a highly experienced rider who grew up riding these sorts of skis, and even then I struggle to remain in the seat of the new HX. Really wish they still made skis like these. Nothing else really compares.
I was honestly pretty shocked by the drag race. Obviously the new ones are bigger and heavier but, I really thought it would pull away much sooner. I was expecting the '97 to win out for only a second or 2. Great review!
I love that old yamaha owner. I had a little issue here, I Frankenstein a fuel pump, is wonderful. the clock was draining the battery, I put a killed switch, it works beautifully. 😂
Had jet skis for 30 years tried them all. The older skis you learn to respect more cos they can bite. They keep you on your toes and you don't get bored. Turn sharper and you just can't hold on if you over do it
I have a 2003 Seadoo GTX supercharged with upgraded supercharger internals and it cost $3500 total. Had 92 hours on it when we bought it and it runs like a champ. Put almost 30 hours on it this summer and it hasn't had a single issue. Used is the way to go unless you have a ridiculous amount of extra cash to throw at a new ski.
Also have a 2003 Seadoo GTX supercharged. Limited model, such a beast with 117 hours on her now. Hoping to get 250 hours out of it before I replace it.
As an relatively experienced rider, I can say that both the new and used pwc's have their uses. My 1995 Yamaha Waveraider 1100 has been an absolute blast since I bought it 18 years ago. It was a steep learning curve because of it's lack of stability but it's so much more nimble. I have ridden newer pwc's like my cousin's supercharged Yamaha and it was far more stable but on a hot day, no matter how you set the trim, you cannot get any water to spray over you or dive it under the surface to cool off. I've got a scoop intake, custom ride plate and an extended racing nozzle on mine, with those mods, I can spin it in circles at idle, get the pwc so far up on plane that I can jump a moderate sized wake and I can trim it down enough at low speed to submerge the entire pwc up past the handlebars. Once submerged like that, it shoots up like a cork and is just a fun experience. The newer pwc's are far far far more stable which is great for more casual riding, for family fun and better for cruising without having to worry about flipping your pwc over. When I was a new rider, I certainly questioned my purchase as I often flipped the pwc or at least launched myself when I would hit a wake at a bad angle at high speed. However the more I rode my pwc, the more comfortable I became with what it was capable of. I bought mine used in 2004 with just the custom ride plate and a single place trailer for less than $4k. The first day that I took it out to a small local lake, we kept getting tipped over in the 3ft waves due to my inability to balance the ski with 2 of us riding it and ended up flooding the entire pwc with water all the way up to the handle bars, I used my emergency flag and got a big bass boat to tow us back to the dock. I winched it up on the trailer and pulled off the seat and had a massive amount of water pour out. I then pulled the drain plugs out and drained most of the rest of the water. That night I used a shop vac to suck out the rest of the water, pulled the spark plugs and used the starter to blow fountains of water out of the engine. We had the pwc out on the water again the next morning and rode all day on calmer water. So to me both pwc types have their own pluses and minuses. It really just depends on how you want to ride and how much you're willing to learn vs wanting to just go out and ride without having to learn nearly as much.
I have a 97 gp760 and bought in 2020 and used it that summer, didn't use in 21 and just last week late summer of 22 tries to start it and it's locked up. Seems to be that's normal if not used. I was debating buying new but the pricing is crazy. I can afford it but bought the 97 for $3000 with trailer. Was quoted around $600 to free it up. I think in Spring of 23 I'll just fix the old. No need to spend 17k
@@Landscaper333 In order to prevent any PWC from locking up during periods of non-use it's critical to follow a proper winterization procedure. In particular the use of fogging oil is absolutely critical. In my experience, with my 2 cycle engines, it's a simple process of running the pwc until out of fuel, then removing each of the spark plugs individually and momentarily spraying fogging oil into each cylinder while pressing the starter button for just a moment several times. In addition, I typically fill the oil injection tank to the very top.
i personally think the old skis are better fior the fact that they are so light and want to throw you off. I race my 1996 seadoo xp800 and once you get some time with the ski and you will feel really comfortable. Its a lot of fun to do twists and turns when your just playing around.
For me, its definitely gonna be used. If l had the new expensive one ld be too afraid of scratching it. Whereas the older one, ld drive over small things and up on the shore cuz its for fun. Good job with the comparison.
Ya, I just got a Seadoo HX. You need great balance and no waves to stay upright on it. But if you want to sit on the water and drink your beer, that’s what a boat is for. 😎
Nice vid! I've got an old wave venture and a sea doo GTI. I love having two VERY different machines. It's fun to ride one then go get on the other for a very different feel on the water. If I ever bought a pair of new ones, I think I'd get two totally different machines just for that reason.
I dig the little yelp at the end an the rapid direction change 😂. My used GP1200 was great for a little while, busy rebuilding and boring it out a bit. Previous owner behaviour plays a big role, mine wasn't flushed nicely after salt water use, repeatedly. I'd definitely request a water test or take a mate who knows more about PWC to check it out. And check hull and engine bay thoroughly. I'd love to buy a new one for my wife and ride the old one myself
This is why I bought a spark just to chuck around and its awesome for wave jumping I've had it in 4m swells once won't be doing that again because I was on my own
Back in 2011, I bought a used '97 Yamaha Waverunner 700 for $800. I did a carb job and eventually had to buy another used $300 trailer, but it ran great and clocked a top speed of 44 MPH. It was tippy. Sold it in 2017 for $2500, but wish I kept it!
Both have pros. My biggest thing where I am at since I don't live on a lake is reliability. If I can't rely on my Ski to perform all day without issues it isn't fun. Having to get towed back to the boat ramp really ruins the day. Having a reliable ski is more important than anything else, the newer machine may win at this. Maintained skis will last a long time. Flush after salt water rides. Oil and plug changes every 40-50 hours. The new GP1800 will need the supercharger clutch replaced eventually. Mine went at 224 hours.
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I've been working on all brands of PWC for 20+ years. The earlier Yamahas (500-700) basically if the engine was under the handle bars, they were good machines. If you got an engine under the seat, it's not so good. They run so lean that you have no room for error in the fuel to air ratio. The Yamaha 4-strokes are good as well as other 4-strokes. I hardly ever work on those.
Well done review, I would of touched on the 2 stroke aspect a bit more. Having to add and buy oil seperatly and compared fuel consumption. Besides that though, great review.
I have a 2000 gp 800 and also a 2017 hp 1800R ......honest opinion.....I love them both! The newer ski is definately faster and more of an adrenaline rush when hitting the throttle, more storage, looks cooler, more stable with 3 riders, and it has the R.I.D.E which makes docking and staying in one place better. I paid 11,800 for it. The older one I paid 2,500 for, but I love how I can throw it around the waves. I love how you can get some air when wave jumping and its definately safer for kids and new riders to be on. the newer ski is more dangerous because of its size and acceleration, especially if the lake is busy. I also noticed that when riding side by side we seem to always match gas consumption, no matter what speed we are riding at....so I dont see much difference from 2 stroke to a 4 stroke as far as saving gas. I do have to always check oil in the older, but it's not that hard to add when filling up. Older ski does 55 tops, while new one does close to 70.....BUT when you learn to stay off the throttle of a supercharger, you learn to ride at slower speeds, so theres not much difference there. I say it like this.....the older ones are more snappy like a dirt bike on the water, while the newer one is more like a crotch rocket.....so I'm happy owning both and use each ski different according to the conditions of the water. New ski for cruising....older ski for getting crazy and wave jumping......hope this helps comment readers....
I bought a 96 Yamaha 5 yrs ago, been very reliable and fun. A primer button would definitely be beneficial,as it takes a little bit to get it started initially. I've rode newer runners and to me the seem more like driving a boat, the Yamaha can turn sharper, you can submarine it and throw it around like a dirt bike.
The 1996 Seadoo XP is probably a perfect PWC. All around good power and excellent handling. Currently have a 1996 Waveblaster 2. Its aiight, but its a gas hooooogggg
Fuel economy is a big deal too. I’ve owned a GP1300R 2 stroke and it would burn through $100 worth of fuel in no time. I’m sure the newer 4 stroke is much more efficient.
Not necessarily. Remember, these moderns skis can weight upwards of three times what their older counterparts weigh. It wasn't unusual for older racing skis to be in the low 300 range, while modern skis can break a half ton.
@@eno2870 yeah but weight makes no difference when the engine itself is larger in displacement and more fuel efficient in the newer and heavier skis, not to mention the research put into the hull design etc. He is correct, old 2 strokes especially over 1000cc drink fuel like its the only thing they were designed for lol
@@brennensk8s - More modern skis are definitely more fuel efficient, but weight (and engine horsepower) certainly matters. For example, a 70 horsepower 1993 XP that weighs 370 pounds burns around 7 gallons of gas an hour at top speed. A 90 HP 2021 Spark that weighs 410 pounds burns 2.5 gallons of gas an hour. That's a great improvement! However, look at a 130 horse 2021 sea-doo GTISE that weighs 739 pounds. Fuel consumption on that thing is around 11 gallons an hour. Those numbers only go higher as horsepower increases, and horsepower generally has to increase as weight does. I can't find numbers for fuel consumption, but a GTX starts off at 170 horsepower and 776 pounds - it'll burn even more fuel than the GTI. At the extreme end, an RXP-X-300 will burn upwards of 22 gallons an hour, though that has both high weight and very high horsepower. A yamaha FX HO, at a whopping 840 pounds and 180 HP (comparable to the GTX, but heavier) burns nearly 14 gallons and hour.
@@eno2870 yeah I was mainly thinking about the sparks, didn't realize the big boys still burn through fuel like that. My only experience is with late 90's and early 00's 2 strokes, I know my 01 XP is like the least fuel efficient thing on the planet lmao but entirely too fun to care
I have a 1994 wave runner it’s reliable fun,crazy fuel efficient tops out at around 70km/h paid $1500 Aud is it stable at a stand still? I’ve rolled it waiting for the trailer. Bottom line is you really can’t beat second hand. You’ll get problems with just about any ski I’ve seen a brand new one with 7 hours on it have to be towed in because it blew a fuse.
I still have a 97 Gp1200 and a 2k 1200R. I used to have a 99 GP1200. Hands down the 97 is my favorite. I do tricks on this thing a day long. Quick as hell too. The 1200r is bigger so that helps, it's faster with the Riva parts installed, but they're 2 different skis. The 97 is still one of the most sought after too.
Kawasaki ultra 180! Such a great classic! 180hp back in like 06 was so fun! They don't build them that awesome anymore power to weight ratio it so important on the holeshot
New skis have turned into small boats. The small skis are so much fun! I got a Seadoo Spark to try to have a modern small ski. Loads of fun. But being a Seadoo, came with loads of problems. Only 60hrs and needed a crankshaft, impeller shaft and bearings shot, crappy plastic wear rings, temp sensor, plastic hull screws are a joke. etc. So sold that heap. Waiting on Yamaha to make a small ski again.. The EX is still too big.
I started with one 97 GS last summer. I now have 3! Also nice that when one does have issues (as all things new or old do...) we have spares for towing as well as continued fun at the lake. End of the day, I likely do have a few more things to fix but all in, I have 3 toys for the price of 1. *Results may vary ;-)
I just bought a 2010 VX this year. It still needs some love but for the price it was a great way to get my family on the water while we look for a boat. For half the price of a new one we put almost 40hrs on the machine including lots of towing. The funny thing is I always thought owning a jetski would be a dumb purchase since you can't bring along as many people and a boat really fits my needs better. My purchase though has fit the bill perfectly.
Jet skis are more fun imo. It’s less of a social thing and more exhilarating. Boats are cool if you can get drunk on them though, and not get in trouble.
Great video, the comparison stats towards the beginning of the video was a nice touch, I'd prefer the old two stroke, F four strokes, money pits, harder to work on and high maintenance, the main reason a lot of Jet Ski Manufactures moved towards the 4 strokes isn't because of EPA but they know they can make more money off people who aren't mechanically minded and charge insane labor price to do basic repairs and services
The old 2 strokes might be easier to maintain but they still need constant maintenance and vigilance. I do a pre ride check and post ride check and check again and again at home and every time I go out something needs work. Had a ring catch a port and lose compression on 1 of my 2 cylinders without any warning or sound difference and left me stranded. I add extra oil to the premix, new plugs, carbs tuned right, still don't know what happened. Now I don't want to shut down unless I'm back at the launch and constantly worry. Old machines need A LOT of love and even then it's not enough.
@@makegaminggreatagain3907 dude, you'll need 3 or 4 sets of rings at the very least on a 2 stroke before you even touch valves or a cam on a 4 stroke in that time. Don't be stupid here.
I had a 1997 Waveventure with the oil delete kit installed on it. It was my first ski, thing was definitely peppy! I upgraded to a 2015 VX Cruiser. Gotta say I definitely don't mind needing to mix the oil and fuel anymore with the 4 stroke. And the 4 strokes are definitely more like a boat than the old 2 strokes.
Should compare the 2000/2001 GP1200R, not the 1997. The 2000 has more horsepower is quicker. Is a totally different renovated jet sky with much greater handling.
I brought a Seadoo XP 1993 few months ago, doing it up, new lines, new paint, new seat cover. Cant wait till its finished, its nearly there, its my first ever jet ski, picked up for £500 with a trailer, and 2 engines, which is about $667 dollars
Thanks to your video for the price ill be keeping my 1200 and fix it when it breaks. Way more expensive about 20k after tax and a trailer for a new one. I choose maximum FUN.
That drag race surprised me. I have an ultra 150 and an ultra 310r so basically Kawasaki's equivalents to these two yams and the 310 would murder the 150 in a drag race. But the older skis are definitely more fun!
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Appreciate a reviewer that actually looks at the value equation and economic comparison here. Good work.
Money matters
Not all of the older PWCs have been taken well cared of as this one. A new one will have all the bells and whistles, the old one will give you problems that you will need to be mechanically inclined to handle. If you want pure fun and a blast.... go for a new one..... if you want to gamble on an older model..... go for an older model. It cost a lot of money to be towed if you break down.
@@Sm0kingp0wer9 not $13000 for a tow
@@electricj5 Are you buying one from Canada? You should be spending $12,000 on one for an entry level 230
@@Sm0kingp0wer9 mariners law, tows are free, just wave someone down
Looks like the acceleration was a dead heat, newer ski just had more top end.
I'd say go used all the way. The smaller skis are a lot more fun to throw around any way.
I think the acceleration was due in part by the 2 stroke as well as the weight. The difference is the 4 stroke won't be as much to maintain and be easier on the fuel. If it's worth the cost difference is another question. I would be curious about a 10 year difference more though since you are looking at something that may be mechanically more similar for not much more than the '97 purchase cost wise.
Ikr. Why $17,500? The only difference is looks and feel. The power and acceleration was almost the same. That price is crazy.
@@grady.stu.8300 when talking about 20yr old you will have more maintenance and a higher chance for breakdowns. I think if you can get a good ski that hasn't just rotted for years used is the good middle ground. I bought a '10 with 650hr on it because in order to have that many hours the maintenance had to be phenomenal. The engine looks better than skis I've seen that are much newer and I won't be upset if something happens to it
@@ethanmoore3360 little to no maintenance on a 2-stroke.
Naw. It just gets to the point where it’s one thing after another (repairs). Used is fine if you don’t have the dough, but new is new …
That was a great comparison. Just goes to show you a older machine can still hold their own
True that, we bought 2nd hand just service regular, and it’s been faithful for the past 7years..
Without a 250 lb dude the GP would have walked the 1800
@@dmag1234messed up 🤣
Since size, price, and "fun factor" are the biggest differences, I think it would be interesting to compare the old Yamaha to a new Spark.
It's heavy, longer, bulky, etc. You're not going to ever find something new that's in production that's nimble and light like the 2 stroke hulls were. But they're less durable/take more upkeep.
@@JC021963 I have a 97 gp760, so same hull as the 1200. Sorry, but the spark especially the spark trixx is definitely more nimble. The spark is only 425 pounds which is incredibly light. My gp760 is 470, and the 1200 was 200 pounds more than that.
Haha that 1200 would destroy the spark. Sparks are turds with a old ass style trim system that freestyle stand ups and waveblasters have been using for years. They have as much horse power as a stock 2 stroke gp760. For the price of a spark you could have a older ski that's faster and handles better
@@akgearhead I have a 93 waveblaster with a built gp760 engine in it. The 760 and the spark are both 90hp. I promise you I can walk off amd leave a spark and my ski is only 320lbs and is way more nimble amd handles a hell of alot better then the Tupperware ski lol. You take ur ski and put the handling components and drive train components on it then tell me what's more fun to ride. Sparks are only popular because there less the 10k for most models. They are really just plastic turds. Being a painter/bodyman by trade fiberglass is a hell of alot easier to fix and stronger to repair.
Those are weird looking trucks.
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Some of us are tired of modern big block barges. Smaller hulls are more fun in my opinion unless you are going river camping. That old 1200 is plenty stable. They will rock but it won’t actually flip without a lot of effort. If you want to cut just lower the sponson adjusters and drop the nose a little with the trim. Late 90s skis are great. Unfortunately the market fell victim to the buyers wanting more tech goodies and slowly the desire to never get wet. Tech costs money, and so does extra material to make a 2 seat sports barge. So now we have expensive boring barges. It’s no different than the boat culture moving from skiing behind 19ft pleasure crafts to sitting around getting drunk on a 24ft pontoon with 300hp to pull billy on a tube. We need cheaper boats so we can focus on fun. When was the last time you saw someone out cutting around on a scrap plywood disk? If it isn’t a $500 board kids won’t touch it.
you forgot the 1,000 +watt stereo to draw the lake cops attention .
bloated is better. for the sales staff.
I remember taking the painted plywood disc out. Every time you fell you had to look out because that thing would submerge and then fly up. Go whapped in the head a few times. Grew up on a Malibu sunsetter and that thing was an amazing inboard for the price of a then new Ford Taurus. You can’t get an inboard for under 60k new now and that’s if you’re lucky.
We have options now. Demand speaks.
I agree but sadly a saturated market and a customer base that is more casual and trying to accessible to a wider market overall gimmicks and new tech is the only thing that keeps people interested anymore, sad but true, I like the newer hull designs for their stability in the annoying chop of Florida intercostal waters, your take on boats is spot on I am sadly too young to have seen the era where families were fine with a nice 115 powered 19ft skiff to tow their tube I always just stare at people with trips and quads pulling a tube while they also have a skiff with the ability to do the exact same and not destroy the coastal shore lines in some of our sensitive estuaries where these bigger center consoles are just washing the shore away, everything is an opportunity to flex I guess nowadays but I’d also be lying if I’d say I wouldn’t love a Kawasaki Ultra 310lx and a Cape Horn with trip Yamahas to run in the keys and Gulf of Mexico overkill of course but some damn good fun, hope you are well sending well wishes from soflo
Damn Skippy Amen, yeah so hard to find great options in boats in the 14-16 foot range! even 17 foot is very limited.
Nice review! These homest reviews are hard to come by nowdays, most review just praise the hell out of whatever they are reviewing
I started on the early 90's pwc's (polaris SL and SLT's and seadoo XP). what i loved about them is the ability to jump, spin and slide around - like an ATV on dirt. Getting splashed and trying to hold on in a tight spin or turn was the goal lol. IMO, the newer ski's, while they have higher top end speed, are not as high on the "fun factor" for my riding style and what I enjoy - mainly on inland freshwater lakes, usually not more than 24" wakes or waves. The pwc purchase and rebuild/maintenance cost on a simple 2-stroke engine seals the deal for me. Be safe and have fun - just get out and play - whichever route you go.
I had a Polaris slx 780 that was the funnest ski I ever owned. It just got too expensive to keep it running. I babied that ski for 20 years. Way more fun than the sparks I have now.
@@davidbolander6186 Friend of mine is a polaris nut with a full stockpile of parts to maintain them. He has 6 or 7 polaris ski's currently. 2 or 3 have completely rebuilt zero hour engines ready to go :)
My old 98 GP1200 still smokes most the newer high dollar jetskis. Runs 62 on smooth lake and handles great .Paid $900 for it 13 years ago . Best jetski ever made for the balance of price,
performance, and durability
The older Kawasaki zxi 1100 are great too . Short and will easily fall over if u have 2nd rider on it, but run like scalded ape and performs like a standup ski as a sor down
You want to know what's great about Kawasaki? They still make jetskis with 150 horsepower engines in them. That GP1800R is supposed to be Yamahas high performance jestski and it only has 120. Thats why new Kawasakis smoke new Yamahas. That 30 horsepower makes a difference. I've done 76 on a STX-15F.
holy shit. Only $900...?
bought my self a 1996 polaris slx 780 and that thing is a riot to take out on the water. my trailer bearing exploded coming back from the UP of michigan and while i was in a gsa station parking lot changing it out, there was an older gentleman that had nothing but praise for these older 90's ski's. he had the same one back in the day and he swore that the old ones were way more fun to ride vs the brand new ones. save a dime and keep the oldies alive
When you have to pay over 10k for the new one that’s what takes the fun out of it for me. I’ll take one from the 90’s.
Perhaps the 1200 needs some Sponsons adjustments and the Intake Grate ..
I love your video’s because you address what all us REAL customers/riders want to know! Virtually every TH-camr/reviewer out there only touches on the SALES points and what the manufacturers want them to highlight.
My favorite part is you showing the stability while not moving. NO one does that, I am a big guy, This is the type of stuff *I* want to know.
Can I ask a favor? Can you shoot a video getting on one of these GP1800R/VX from deep water?
Also, if it’s not too personal post rider weight. So we can compare how the unit(s) may react to our own weight.
I’d also love to see one of these newer GP1800/VX models and the FX model, with near full weight capacity, how stable is it still? Can 2 full grown adults reboard in deep water?
These are the REAL questions!
He had the GP1800R in learning mode, probably unknowingly. Had the 1800R been not in low mode, this video would have been comical. The 1800R would have been bus lengths ahead in the drag race and has a top speed of over 20mph faster.
I have a 94 Yamaha waveraider 700 I love that machine.the smaller machines are just way more fun.cost me $1700 as well so it’s a great bang for my buck
My nephew has a 94 waveraider 701. Its almost as fast as my gp1200. But it dont handle like the gp. He usually gets me on choppy water because of the way my gp jumps out of the water in chop.
Dave C. - I totally agree. My 99 GP1200 handles great but is so light that it doesn’t want to stay in the water. The Waveraider just slices thru choppy water like a torpedo.
Love my 96 raider and my 95 spx nothing is more fun then throwing around one of these skis
I had a 98 Yamaha GP1200 and I absolutely loved it. It was an amazing Ski.
A racing intake grate would fix that traction issue on the older ski. I put one on my sea Doo I had and it made a huge difference.
Being a big guy you have a different in opinion on which unit is fun as well. A smaller guy will enjoy the gp1200 better cause it fits them better
Honestly THIS is the best part of his reviews. That he’s a big beautiful guy! We all know skinny noodles can ride any PWC, but us bigger guys it’s not soo easy, especially deep water reboarding and 2-up riding near full craft capacity! That is why video’s from HIS prospective is SOO important!
You hit the nail on the head. Americans have gotten bigger and fatter. The manufactures have noticed.
With that said.....;. Older PWC only make sense to the mechanically inclined. If don't know the business end of a screw driver, you have no business owning any older marine machine.
@@FlightLogProductions its so true, while not as big as him im no lightweight and when i see 150lb on a jet ski i have almost no frame of reference. this is especially true for stand ups which is my jam. unfortunately i dont know of any big guys that ride stand ups, even on youtube.
The real comparison is the 1300r vs 1800r regular 1200 are too slow
Not really that slow there sort of fast
But also this is the 1800r ho not svho
I agree he went with a 1800R and said 20 years why not a 2000 gp1200r or 2003 1300r...
You can get a 1200r for like 2500 with trailer and hang all day with most new jet skis.
I love the old ones because you can whip it around and I love that feeling
if you want a new one like that i’ve heard that the new small sea doos are like that
@@neljetski1073 I just blew my engine in my 92 waverunner looks like it’s $800 for the new engine still cheaper than a new ski so I guess I’m going to fix it
I had a 91 waveblaster. I wish I never sold it. So nimble and fun
525 lb's and feels nimble....definitely not with him on board fatso
i have a 1999 xl760 and 2002 gp1200r, fixed em up and got everythign good plus double trailer for around 5 grand. for TWO skis. new skis are just too fking expensive
I was shopping in 2008 for an upgrade on my 92 Yamaha 650LX. I took a 2006 Honda FX12 turbo on a test drive. When I left the dock, naturally, I squeezed the throttle, ya know, all the way. The ski shot right off my ass and left me behind. As I floated in the river, I collected my self, looking at the owner who was laughing hysterical, I said I'LL TAKE IT!. After 12 years now, still having wonderful adventures! No mechanical failure outside of the gas tank recall. Still can't believe how far PWCS have come, but the prices are insane! A few dollars more will get you into an entry level boat! But there's always the teamwork factor. That's why I'm a PWC guy all the way.
Great video. Close call at the end swerving to left to miss that boat last second 😱
I just bought a 1996 Seadoo HX and I LOVE it! It’s more like a stand up jet ski, but it’s a blast to ride. Just like a motorcycle on water!
I just bought a 95 HX myself. Grew up riding a superjet and wave blaster, so I knew I was getting something old from the get go. Anything modern just pales in comparison.
Now I just wish I could get the issues the HX is having ironed out. The thing keeps struggling to start (starter was really worn, and I replaced it) and it's failing to crank over with the plugs in when warm. No issues cold, it fires right up. Get it warm though, and suddenly it can't start anymore. Sometimes even acts like it's seized up. Honestly at a bit of a loss as to what the problem is.
@@eno2870 I put in new plugs and it starts easier when warm. Maybe your carbs need a good cleaning??
@@SaabAholic - I'd thought the same thing. Heard all about how modern fuel ruins these things, so I pulled a fuel line and even opened up the carbs to check. No grey gunk or debris whatsoever. The guy I bought it from told me he never used ethanol fuel, so it seems the fuel system is still pretty pristine.
@@eno2870 still might not be a bad idea to clean out the choke and carbs.
Good info. I just bought two 95 waverunners one 1200 & one 700 for $3900 they only have 80 hrs on them and run great very pleased with them.
Try riding a stand up and let’s talk about stability, and getting beat up by the waves lol
There fat they like the couches. Stand ups are just better tho.
Loved my Kawasaki 750sxi stand up. Most fun on the water.
my modified 1994 - 1100 wb1 is 10x better than any 2021 pwc
All I've ever ridden is my 1983 Kawasaki 550 so these all seem like boats to me stability speaking. That said, the shear speed these things are dishing out and the fun of riding with my wife is something I'd consider. I fear boredom but maybe tandem it'd be ok.
@@Bchilds888 not everybody can handle that triple power baby :D B1 squaaaaaaaaaaaaad
Some sponsors, an.intake grate and new bars sound like solid investments for an old ski. Recently adopted a freebie 800 in need of some love myself, nice vid!
I just purchased an 03 yammy three banger with about 10 hours on a complete rebuild, almost 60 mph top however what a blast 👌, it came with a complete Doner bad engine on a two up trailer for 3g , been out many times!!
I used to ride a Yamaha 760 back in the day. It was not the fastest because of power and weight, but sure was a lot of fun! I would totally a couple older ones rather than newer. Sadly, where I live now there is nowhere to ride these.
Hey I appreciate the attempt at comparing the two boats, But you can't take a twenty-year-old two-stroke motor that hasn't been cleaned up and compare it to brand new 4 stroke
If that 2-stroke engine was halfway cleaned up it should have pulled multiple boat lengths at the start.
Agreed, 4 stroke needs more than 600cc in extra displacement to even come close to producing the torque that 2 stroke makes. Pumps are a big factor too. Who knows how chewed up that impeller is on the 1200 much less the wear ring. Ill bet that 1200, is performing at no more that 85% of its true stock ability. Wont even start on questioning last top-end rebuild.
I recently bought a 95 Sea-Doo HX. Grew up on a 91 Superjet and 93 Wave Blaster. They just don't make them like they used to. Today's PWC's are far too big, far too heavy, and don't handle remotely the same.
Edit: Lmao. Talking about a lack of stability as he stands nearly entirely on one side of the ski. The ski's I'm used to are so unstable most people can't even get on them. They're actually more difficult to ride the slower you go, and remounting one in deep water is infamously difficult. I'm a highly experienced rider who grew up riding these sorts of skis, and even then I struggle to remain in the seat of the new HX.
Really wish they still made skis like these. Nothing else really compares.
I was honestly pretty shocked by the drag race. Obviously the new ones are bigger and heavier but, I really thought it would pull away much sooner. I was expecting the '97 to win out for only a second or 2. Great review!
Wow.. what an awesome comparison.. thats pretty amazing ..loved it
Great insight into the 1997 Wave Runner vs latest model. Thanks for sharing - very inspiring!
Nice job almost hitting that dock at the end 😂😂😂😂
he just showing off
I'm in my fifties and I love my old one cuz it gets nice and squirrely
I love that old yamaha owner. I had a little issue here, I Frankenstein a fuel pump, is wonderful. the clock was draining the battery, I put a killed switch, it works beautifully. 😂
Had jet skis for 30 years tried them all. The older skis you learn to respect more cos they can bite. They keep you on your toes and you don't get bored. Turn sharper and you just can't hold on if you over do it
I have a 2003 Seadoo GTX supercharged with upgraded supercharger internals and it cost $3500 total. Had 92 hours on it when we bought it and it runs like a champ. Put almost 30 hours on it this summer and it hasn't had a single issue. Used is the way to go unless you have a ridiculous amount of extra cash to throw at a new ski.
Seadoo...when they go wrong🤔. I had same Gtx, first baby, so I guess plenty to be learnt. Replaced with a waverunner
@@cooljayah yamahas are just so ugly tho. Seadoos do well if they are maintained, no issues with my RXP.
I bought the Supercharged in 2003. Sea Doo thankfully warranties out the crappy composite pump for a metal one’
@@c.andrewits2774 i think the Kawasaki’s are the ugliest because of that big front end. They also got the most dry storage though, so it’s a toss up.
Also have a 2003 Seadoo GTX supercharged. Limited model, such a beast with 117 hours on her now. Hoping to get 250 hours out of it before I replace it.
I got a used Yamaha 1100 Wave Venture for $400. Cost me $13 to fix it, and I love it.
As an relatively experienced rider, I can say that both the new and used pwc's have their uses. My 1995 Yamaha Waveraider 1100 has been an absolute blast since I bought it 18 years ago. It was a steep learning curve because of it's lack of stability but it's so much more nimble. I have ridden newer pwc's like my cousin's supercharged Yamaha and it was far more stable but on a hot day, no matter how you set the trim, you cannot get any water to spray over you or dive it under the surface to cool off. I've got a scoop intake, custom ride plate and an extended racing nozzle on mine, with those mods, I can spin it in circles at idle, get the pwc so far up on plane that I can jump a moderate sized wake and I can trim it down enough at low speed to submerge the entire pwc up past the handlebars. Once submerged like that, it shoots up like a cork and is just a fun experience. The newer pwc's are far far far more stable which is great for more casual riding, for family fun and better for cruising without having to worry about flipping your pwc over. When I was a new rider, I certainly questioned my purchase as I often flipped the pwc or at least launched myself when I would hit a wake at a bad angle at high speed. However the more I rode my pwc, the more comfortable I became with what it was capable of. I bought mine used in 2004 with just the custom ride plate and a single place trailer for less than $4k. The first day that I took it out to a small local lake, we kept getting tipped over in the 3ft waves due to my inability to balance the ski with 2 of us riding it and ended up flooding the entire pwc with water all the way up to the handle bars, I used my emergency flag and got a big bass boat to tow us back to the dock. I winched it up on the trailer and pulled off the seat and had a massive amount of water pour out. I then pulled the drain plugs out and drained most of the rest of the water. That night I used a shop vac to suck out the rest of the water, pulled the spark plugs and used the starter to blow fountains of water out of the engine. We had the pwc out on the water again the next morning and rode all day on calmer water. So to me both pwc types have their own pluses and minuses. It really just depends on how you want to ride and how much you're willing to learn vs wanting to just go out and ride without having to learn nearly as much.
I have a 97 gp760 and bought in 2020 and used it that summer, didn't use in 21 and just last week late summer of 22 tries to start it and it's locked up. Seems to be that's normal if not used. I was debating buying new but the pricing is crazy. I can afford it but bought the 97 for $3000 with trailer. Was quoted around $600 to free it up. I think in Spring of 23 I'll just fix the old. No need to spend 17k
@@Landscaper333 In order to prevent any PWC from locking up during periods of non-use it's critical to follow a proper winterization procedure. In particular the use of fogging oil is absolutely critical. In my experience, with my 2 cycle engines, it's a simple process of running the pwc until out of fuel, then removing each of the spark plugs individually and momentarily spraying fogging oil into each cylinder while pressing the starter button for just a moment several times. In addition, I typically fill the oil injection tank to the very top.
Yamaha Waveraider 1100. I've still got mine and will never sell it
@Landscaper333 The Wave Raider 700 I got was sitting for 12yrs, and the motor was anything but stuck. I would get that checked out haha.
I’m so surprised how close that race was 😳😳
Yeah me too
Is not an apples to apples race! Come race my 97 GP 12 and see if you can catch me!!!😎😎😎
2 stroke vs 4 stroke...
Is the non supercharged version. Go supercharged and will be much difference.
Jordi Grau yeah but still. You would think the new jetski would be much faster. I just got a 19 VXR so I’m surprised
i personally think the old skis are better fior the fact that they are so light and want to throw you off. I race my 1996 seadoo xp800 and once you get some time with the ski and you will feel really comfortable. Its a lot of fun to do twists and turns when your just playing around.
For me, its definitely gonna be used. If l had the new expensive one ld be too afraid of scratching it. Whereas the older one, ld drive over small things and up on the shore cuz its for fun. Good job with the comparison.
@@2cautious And you’re rich?
Nice Vid! But if you think that 1200 is unstable, try riding a waveblaster!!!
Ya, I just got a Seadoo HX. You need great balance and no waves to stay upright on it. But if you want to sit on the water and drink your beer, that’s what a boat is for. 😎
The Gp1200 was a flying machine
Nice vid! I've got an old wave venture and a sea doo GTI. I love having two VERY different machines. It's fun to ride one then go get on the other for a very different feel on the water. If I ever bought a pair of new ones, I think I'd get two totally different machines just for that reason.
I dig the little yelp at the end an the rapid direction change 😂. My used GP1200 was great for a little while, busy rebuilding and boring it out a bit. Previous owner behaviour plays a big role, mine wasn't flushed nicely after salt water use, repeatedly. I'd definitely request a water test or take a mate who knows more about PWC to check it out. And check hull and engine bay thoroughly. I'd love to buy a new one for my wife and ride the old one myself
See ya! Boom almost hit the dock.
lol, yea. but it was the best example of stability in the turns in the entire video :)
I noticed that too
I have a 97 gp1200 and 96 wave venture 1100 they are both are a blast love them!!
This is why I bought a spark just to chuck around and its awesome for wave jumping I've had it in 4m swells once won't be doing that again because I was on my own
The older skis last if taken care of, we had some older Kawasaki’s and they were a blast
Back in 2011, I bought a used '97 Yamaha Waverunner 700 for $800. I did a carb job and eventually had to buy another used $300 trailer, but it ran great and clocked a top speed of 44 MPH. It was tippy. Sold it in 2017 for $2500, but wish I kept it!
Mine is still going, needs a lot work though but it's still here.
Used is the way to go if you know what your looking at.
Gotta have a 96 Seadoo XP..an X4 gen hull.
right! This guy thinks that 1200 isn't stable. He has no idea lol
Lol, I love my xp
Both have pros. My biggest thing where I am at since I don't live on a lake is reliability. If I can't rely on my Ski to perform all day without issues it isn't fun. Having to get towed back to the boat ramp really ruins the day. Having a reliable ski is more important than anything else, the newer machine may win at this.
Maintained skis will last a long time. Flush after salt water rides. Oil and plug changes every 40-50 hours. The new GP1800 will need the supercharger clutch replaced eventually. Mine went at 224 hours.
I really appreciate your reviews!!! I need a friend, not a salesman when I am parting with, for me, a hell of a lot of money! The COVID thing is weird. I want the Yamaha ex-sport and the dealership has none!!! Talk about a frustrated sales person!!! Thank you for being that friend! What you do helps so many! I would like to think of myself like you! Helping just feels good!!! Thank you!
Glad to help!
I've been working on all brands of PWC for 20+ years. The earlier Yamahas (500-700) basically if the engine was under the handle bars, they were good machines. If you got an engine under the seat, it's not so good. They run so lean that you have no room for error in the fuel to air ratio. The Yamaha 4-strokes are good as well as other 4-strokes. I hardly ever work on those.
Well done review, I would of touched on the 2 stroke aspect a bit more. Having to add and buy oil seperatly and compared fuel consumption. Besides that though, great review.
i vote for both, I own a 99 gp 12and a 2016 FZS love each one
I have a 2000 gp 800 and also a 2017 hp 1800R ......honest opinion.....I love them both! The newer ski is definately faster and more of an adrenaline rush when hitting the throttle, more storage, looks cooler, more stable with 3 riders, and it has the R.I.D.E which makes docking and staying in one place better. I paid 11,800 for it. The older one I paid 2,500 for, but I love how I can throw it around the waves. I love how you can get some air when wave jumping and its definately safer for kids and new riders to be on. the newer ski is more dangerous because of its size and acceleration, especially if the lake is busy. I also noticed that when riding side by side we seem to always match gas consumption, no matter what speed we are riding at....so I dont see much difference from 2 stroke to a 4 stroke as far as saving gas. I do have to always check oil in the older, but it's not that hard to add when filling up. Older ski does 55 tops, while new one does close to 70.....BUT when you learn to stay off the throttle of a supercharger, you learn to ride at slower speeds, so theres not much difference there. I say it like this.....the older ones are more snappy like a dirt bike on the water, while the newer one is more like a crotch rocket.....so I'm happy owning both and use each ski different according to the conditions of the water. New ski for cruising....older ski for getting crazy and wave jumping......hope this helps comment readers....
I bought a 96 Yamaha 5 yrs ago, been very reliable and fun. A primer button would definitely be beneficial,as it takes a little bit to get it started initially. I've rode newer runners and to me the seem more like driving a boat, the Yamaha can turn sharper, you can submarine it and throw it around like a dirt bike.
If only Yamaha could do a another production run of the GP1200. It was a awesome jetski & not too heavy ...
Had my 97 GP1200 for 20 years. Only use it in the sea. Bullet proof. What a Machine.
100K!!!! Congrats
Thanks for your take Truck King. Used is looking good.
No problem 👍
I have a 96 spi with a few goodies I love the look on peoples faces at wot when I start pulling away from their new toy!
The 1996 Seadoo XP is probably a perfect PWC. All around good power and excellent handling. Currently have a 1996 Waveblaster 2. Its aiight, but its a gas hooooogggg
Fuel economy is a big deal too. I’ve owned a GP1300R 2 stroke and it would burn through $100 worth of fuel in no time. I’m sure the newer 4 stroke is much more efficient.
Not necessarily. Remember, these moderns skis can weight upwards of three times what their older counterparts weigh. It wasn't unusual for older racing skis to be in the low 300 range, while modern skis can break a half ton.
@@eno2870 yeah but weight makes no difference when the engine itself is larger in displacement and more fuel efficient in the newer and heavier skis, not to mention the research put into the hull design etc. He is correct, old 2 strokes especially over 1000cc drink fuel like its the only thing they were designed for lol
@@brennensk8s - More modern skis are definitely more fuel efficient, but weight (and engine horsepower) certainly matters. For example, a 70 horsepower 1993 XP that weighs 370 pounds burns around 7 gallons of gas an hour at top speed. A 90 HP 2021 Spark that weighs 410 pounds burns 2.5 gallons of gas an hour. That's a great improvement!
However, look at a 130 horse 2021 sea-doo GTISE that weighs 739 pounds. Fuel consumption on that thing is around 11 gallons an hour. Those numbers only go higher as horsepower increases, and horsepower generally has to increase as weight does. I can't find numbers for fuel consumption, but a GTX starts off at 170 horsepower and 776 pounds - it'll burn even more fuel than the GTI. At the extreme end, an RXP-X-300 will burn upwards of 22 gallons an hour, though that has both high weight and very high horsepower.
A yamaha FX HO, at a whopping 840 pounds and 180 HP (comparable to the GTX, but heavier) burns nearly 14 gallons and hour.
@@eno2870 yeah I was mainly thinking about the sparks, didn't realize the big boys still burn through fuel like that. My only experience is with late 90's and early 00's 2 strokes, I know my 01 XP is like the least fuel efficient thing on the planet lmao but entirely too fun to care
This is a very good video thanks for letting me see the difference .
Glad it was helpful!
I've been waiting for this i had a 97 she was fast out the hole never been on a 1800
I have a 1994 wave runner it’s reliable fun,crazy fuel efficient tops out at around 70km/h paid $1500 Aud is it stable at a stand still? I’ve rolled it waiting for the trailer. Bottom line is you really can’t beat second hand. You’ll get problems with just about any ski I’ve seen a brand new one with 7 hours on it have to be towed in because it blew a fuse.
Especially if you tune it when we had a stock one we never had any problems but as soon as we tuned it we always had problems
I still have a 97 Gp1200 and a 2k 1200R. I used to have a 99 GP1200. Hands down the 97 is my favorite. I do tricks on this thing a day long. Quick as hell too. The 1200r is bigger so that helps, it's faster with the Riva parts installed, but they're 2 different skis. The 97 is still one of the most sought after too.
Kawasaki ultra 180! Such a great classic! 180hp back in like 06 was so fun! They don't build them that awesome anymore power to weight ratio it so important on the holeshot
Those massive new 4 strokes aren’t as fun. Like riding around on a giant, heavy, fast couch. All the excitement is smoothed out of them.
Can they even legally make the old school ones now?
The SUV's of jet skis.
New skis have turned into small boats. The small skis are so much fun! I got a Seadoo Spark to try to have a modern small ski. Loads of fun. But being a Seadoo, came with loads of problems. Only 60hrs and needed a crankshaft, impeller shaft and bearings shot, crappy plastic wear rings, temp sensor, plastic hull screws are a joke. etc. So sold that heap. Waiting on Yamaha to make a small ski again.. The EX is still too big.
The Yammy EX is just a hair bigger than the Spark and more reliable...Found a 19' EX Sport for $4500 jumped on it right away..
I bought a 97 GP1200 when they first came out. Sold it in 2008. Was pretty nasty. About 175hp when I was done with it. What a great boat.
I started with one 97 GS last summer. I now have 3! Also nice that when one does have issues (as all things new or old do...) we have spares for towing as well as continued fun at the lake. End of the day, I likely do have a few more things to fix but all in, I have 3 toys for the price of 1. *Results may vary ;-)
shoulda done a fuel burn comparison
Get a paddle boat liberal boy
@@justinpennington7682 I am not a lib. I was wondering about 2stroke vs 4 stroke. Idiot boy!!
@@cliffh8486 I am sorry, I thought you were going green .
@@SeanPennII I know . Especially with the cost of fuel now
I just bought a 2010 VX this year. It still needs some love but for the price it was a great way to get my family on the water while we look for a boat. For half the price of a new one we put almost 40hrs on the machine including lots of towing. The funny thing is I always thought owning a jetski would be a dumb purchase since you can't bring along as many people and a boat really fits my needs better. My purchase though has fit the bill perfectly.
Jet skis are more fun imo. It’s less of a social thing and more exhilarating. Boats are cool if you can get drunk on them though, and not get in trouble.
Great video, the comparison stats towards the beginning of the video was a nice touch, I'd prefer the old two stroke, F four strokes, money pits, harder to work on and high maintenance, the main reason a lot of Jet Ski Manufactures moved towards the 4 strokes isn't because of EPA but they know they can make more money off people who aren't mechanically minded and charge insane labor price to do basic repairs and services
The old 2 strokes might be easier to maintain but they still need constant maintenance and vigilance. I do a pre ride check and post ride check and check again and again at home and every time I go out something needs work. Had a ring catch a port and lose compression on 1 of my 2 cylinders without any warning or sound difference and left me stranded. I add extra oil to the premix, new plugs, carbs tuned right, still don't know what happened. Now I don't want to shut down unless I'm back at the launch and constantly worry. Old machines need A LOT of love and even then it's not enough.
@@s0nnyburnett Agreed, a four stroke motor is by definition lower maintenance. Burns a lot less gas too.
Did you just say a 4 stroke is more maintenance than a 2 stroke?? Please explain.
@@gp1800svho Cam shafts and valves.
@@makegaminggreatagain3907 dude, you'll need 3 or 4 sets of rings at the very least on a 2 stroke before you even touch valves or a cam on a 4 stroke in that time. Don't be stupid here.
I had a 1997 Waveventure with the oil delete kit installed on it. It was my first ski, thing was definitely peppy! I upgraded to a 2015 VX Cruiser. Gotta say I definitely don't mind needing to mix the oil and fuel anymore with the 4 stroke. And the 4 strokes are definitely more like a boat than the old 2 strokes.
Respect the durability of Yamaha wave runner 👏👏
Finding parts may be a problem on the older units. Something to keep in mind.
Some but mostly not you can nearly find everything for a 25 year old seadoo
Yamaha have great parts supply for older machines.
I prefer the smaller ones vs the modern water pig couches. A wave blaster is my dream ski but I do realize they are unstable as hell at low speed.
Should compare the 2000/2001 GP1200R, not the 1997. The 2000 has more horsepower is quicker.
Is a totally different renovated jet sky with much greater handling.
Great video, love the truck videos but this was a nice change up. Good job.👍🏻
More to come!
I brought a Seadoo XP 1993 few months ago, doing it up, new lines, new paint, new seat cover. Cant wait till its finished, its nearly there, its my first ever jet ski, picked up for £500 with a trailer, and 2 engines, which is about $667 dollars
Those late 90's skis are great. Not many left around.
Snagged a xl1200 Yamaha for $2000 last summer, completely satisfied despite it being used
99 Ultra 150. Had one back in 06. It was a complete beast. Currently have a 2020 gp1800r SVHO. Ultra is still my favorite.
Now imagine that with the 155hp 1200r engine.
I have a 300 pound jetski, it almost (almost people) feels like a standup lol
Great comparison.
you almost drove that truck into that dock at the end!
I will go with the new one because it looks and performs great. The only bad thing is the price it’s too damn expensive. 😅 I’m broke 😢
Thanks to your video for the price ill be keeping my 1200 and fix it when it breaks. Way more expensive about 20k after tax and a trailer for a new one. I choose maximum FUN.
but will the 1800 be as reliable and last just as long ?? And for a few bucks i can make the 97 blow the 1800 out the water.
I preferred the old jet
They're way more fun
Right now I have a 1998 Kawasaki 1000
The new ones don't jump waves, they are just small boats that are just too expensive to justify...Thank the EPA for this...
More like crawl away. Pretty close race considering the cc difference.
That drag race surprised me. I have an ultra 150 and an ultra 310r so basically Kawasaki's equivalents to these two yams and the 310 would murder the 150 in a drag race. But the older skis are definitely more fun!
You're comparing 150hp and 310hp to 130hp and 180 hp, see the difference?
@@raynman6466 Yeah I thought it was an SVHO at the time.