Haven't seen them in a while, but 7 year old me really liked the third movie. I guess not knowing what's going on in the plot and just seeing movement and effects was good enough for little kid me.
I love this video. This is such a well-spoken and constructive response, and I appreciate you acknowledged that most of my video was just for funsies. Maaaaybe I'll reconsider how I feel about Aunt May having heard your side. But MJ is still the worst.
But yeah, MJ is relatively bad, in my personal opinion. Her arc is entirely dependent on Peter. She isn't her own character enough. Her damsel in distress role is frustrating for everyone watching, but that's already been said. But her whole arc was about her getting together with Peter. It was built erratically. Even her acting performances end up being used as a plot device to get Mary Jane mad at Peter, rather than being, well, something else. Aside from that, though, I enjoyed the movie.
Both videos seems to have missed the point about Aunt May kicking the banker. She mentions that she’s been giving piano lessons again to try and get the loan, she clearly hasn’t hence Peter’s surprised response - “you have?!” The joke is that she’s supposed to kick Peter, so he’d be quiet and not give the game away but she accidentally kicks the banker.
Not really, he never murdered senselessly. He killed Quest employees and the general for cutting his funding, the board members for letting him go, and then he tries to kill peter cuz peter tries stopping him at the unity day festival. Other than that it’s not like he just kills for the fun of it.
i don't know, these captain douchbag is kinda passive aggresive with the cosmonautic dude even though he can't defend these shitty movies, because they are undefendable
Exactly ! One minute later after the introduction Peter says to Norman "I read all your research on nanotech" and you can see he admire him. Harry knows this. Plus, their relationship wasn't exaclty perfect. They aren't close. Harry sees him much more as this industrialist idol than his own father.
The scene where Sandman is created in Spider-Man 3 and tries to grab the locket with the picture of his daughter is enough to make that movie worth it.
Her arc, especially in the first movie, is actually REALLY good. The whole movie is her latching onto guys that treat her poorly in different ways: first Flash just sees her as an object, Harry sees her as a way to make his father proud, and Spider-Man... is some guy she doesn't really know but finds exciting. Then there's Peter supporting her all the while, slowly realizing that she's more than the girl next door. He's the only person in the movie that tells her her dreams are valid- this clearly shocks MJ after a lifetime of demeaning- and he's invested in her career. Finally, at the end of the film, when she's about to die on the bridge, she realizes it's not Harry or even Spider-Man that matters most to her but Peter Parker... and Peter is finally mature enough to deny himself a relationship with her for her protection. And all this perfectly sets up great arcs in the sequel. I mean, come on. That's brilliant drama.
@@josharntt Apart from all those films he was in...where he played people that weren't him. And no, this isn't a Wooooooosh moment. You're wrong in both contexts.
I like each morals Uncle Ben - "with great power comes great responsibility" Aunt May - "I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most." Sandman - "I'm not asking you to forgive me. I just want you to understand" Peter's forgiveness to Sandman. Mr Osborn's faithful butler - "The night your father died... I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body... came from his glider. I know you're trying to defend your father's honour... but there's no question that he died by his own hand. I loved your father... as I have love you, Harry. As your friends love you." Doc Ock - "Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift, to be used for the good of mankind."
TheLatiosnlatias02 and then Raimi forgets Ock's line from the beginning of the film, and has him say at the end (in response to "you once said intelligence was a gift" from Peter) *Doc nods* "A privilege." I was like... *What?!* he changed his mind already? 😂😂
Aunt May walking away in that scene was so powerful. It was a “I can’t handle the amount of emotion you put on me. I need to be alone to process.” It made perfect psychological sense.
Why? Because there's a lot think to process for her, dude. Different people have different way to handle the sad news. And for me, the action of walking away is one of the action that shows that Aunt May is human like us, some of us did walk away when we hear some sad news and 'need to be alone' moment.
@@timy9197he’s mostly joking around, if you see any of the videos where he mentions Spiderman 2 he says that its a great movie and he’s just nitpicking
Am I the only one who shed some tears in Spider-Man 2 when Aunt May insisted on Peter keeping that $20 on his birthday? The music kicks in while Aunt May vents on about Uncle Ben and that he deserves that money. Peter starts to shed a tear while having that blank face look like he is staring into abyss, this scene alone is so powerful. The whole Uncle Ben story.. the fact Peter is so selfless despite being behind on rent, losing his job, failing school, and the burdens of making his loved ones around him happy. Harry, because he takes pics of Spidey and then MJ because he preaches how much he wants to be there for her but he never can be.. Tobey makes me feel for him like no other Spider-Man has before. I am 21 now, he was my childhood Spidey growing up and I can not wait to eventually show my future kids this Spider-Man. Thank you Tobey Maguire..
Exactly. People complained that he wasn't enough like the "Peter Parker/Spider-Man" of the comics but what I think the films did amazingly well was create a Peter Parker/Spider-Man that was three dimensional and highly relatable; he felt like a real person, unlike many other comic book movies. His strained relationships with those around him and his life struggles make his heroism all the more impressive since he's still heroic even when his life is in shambles. That's something sorely missing from Spider-Man: Homecoming, where Peter doesn't feel as fleshed out, Peter makes many poor choices but very few negative consequences arise because of those choices - which is completely antithetical to the theme of "with great power comes great responsibility", it doesn't feel like characters could actually die or are in danger, and Peter is rather immature.
I mainly cried at harrys death, despite the mouth jitters in the crying. thats mostly how most teenagers acts. and that last word "harry..." By peter was legendary
Run Scrubs call me a wuss, but I rewatched the trilogy a few weeks ago and kept nostalgia out of it. I enjoyed it, but I cried hard at uncle bens death. As much hate tobey gets for his crying, he made that scene so much more powerful. From uncle Ben saying “peter” with tears in his eyes to tobey saying “I’m here uncle Ben” you could tell that they regret everything they said to each other in the car
My Opinion on the trilogy. Spider-Man: An awesome film, and it's reputation was helped by the fact there was a brand new CGI movie based off everyone's favourite web slinger. Spider-Man 2: Great emotion, arcs, an amazing film. The best of the 3. Spider-Man 3: Boring in some parts, but I liked the tone it gave off, it got darker, like a person growing up discovers darker things. Some weak scenes, but great never the less.
Lucas Adams My favorite scene in the movie. Too bad Sandman's character was somewhat underutilized in the movie because it does feel that Raimi has a strong liking for him.
Spider-Man 3 didn't really kill the franchise, in fact it was the most successful of the trilogy in terms of earnings (which is really the only thing that matters to getting a sequel). Raimi just couldn't agree with the studio for Spider-Man 4 ideas, and was tired of Spider-Man since he had basically been doing it for 7 years at that point. So he ended up leaving.
What you said about not wanting to watch movies with perfect characters who always do the right thing. Yep, that pretty much sums up the problem with every movie I've seen lately. That's why I love the Spiderman trilogy.
Spider-Man 1 is amazing, Spider-Man 2 is a masterpiece, and Spider-Man 3 is at least a lot of fun and highly entertaining. I think the trilogy is rather solid. They're a lot better than Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 for sure. Edit: I just finished rewatching both Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, and I've gotta reiterate: Spider-Man 2 is phenomenal. Everything about it is so good. All of the internal and external conflict just keeps building and building, and it finally climaxes with the train sequence. Mmmmm... It's so good. The theme of "trying your best, but to no avail" is captured so perfectly and it's painfully accurate. The stakes are much higher than before and the few action scenes present are a sight to behold. Spider-Man is still amazing, though I have noticed a few glaring problems upon rewatching it. A lot of it has to do with the pacing. It creates huge time gaps waaaayyyyy too often. Like, one scene, they graduate from high school, and the next, Peter's already fired from a job we didn't even know he had and he's in college. It's so weird. The other thing that stuck out to me as problematic are how some shots are lazily layered over each other, most notably when Peter is looking through the newspaper and a huge opeque jpeg of a car comes zooming towards the screen. I couldn't help but laugh at how bad it was. Other than that, I still love it. The CGI, while noticable, is impressive for 2002, it's full of great one liners, it embraces the campiness, and I relate to Peter's awkwardness on a spiritual level. Tobey is such a good Peter Parker. So yeah, I still stand by my previous statement, and somehow Spider-Man 2 was even better than I remembered it being.
Spiderman 1, 2 are good, but not amazing and spiderman 3 is shit. Homecoming has the best spiderman, but i agree that the amazing spiderman series is trash
@@Riskofrain527 I feel like Spider-Man 3 gets enough bashing. Rightfully so, but it's far from horrible. I think it does more things right than it does wrong. As for Spider-Man 1 and 2, they're really good. 2 is almost flawless in pacing and storytelling and Doc Ock remains as one of the best antagonists of all time. Spider-Man 1 is starting to show its age and the acting in it isn't as good as the others, but it's still got a great message, and the characters are well realized.
@@bctalicorn809 spiderman 3 is horrible. Spiderman 2 is no where near flawless so get rid of your nostalgia and face the fact that the original spiderman trilogy is not as good as people think
@@Riskofrain527 I didn't say Spider-Man 2 was flawless, just that it had nearly flawless pacing and storytelling. Don't put words in my mouth. And no, Spider-Man 3 isn't horrible, it's just a mess. A fun mess, but a mess nonetheless.
@@bctalicorn809 i didn't put words in your mouth. All i said was that spiderman 2 is no where near flawless as in it's not even near flawless also spiderman 3 is terrible. Avengers age of ultron was a mess, but still fun to watch. Spiderman 3 is just shit.
FORTCRAFT no it doesn’t. It just has a different point of view. There’s no discussion in here, it’s an experience thing at this point. And there’s no point in a debate around that.
He has, as I've counted, one good argument: that Cosmonaut ignores side character characterization in service of a stronger/funnier argument. The Raimi sensibility thing is purely subjective though.
Bro telling someone that you’re responsible for their husbands death and having them leave mid conversation is the MOST reasonable and compassionate response you could have to that. She could’ve broke down, exploded at Peter, or done any number of things, but because she loves him she went to be alone so she could process the information without taking anything out on him. Later once she comes to terms with it and is ready to have a healthy conversation is when she finally speaks to him again
The whole issue I have with this argument is that Peter is not responsible for Ben dying. May should know the criminal would be armed with a gun, presumably In hand, so why would she expect Peter to jump in and stop him? I can understand why Peter would feel responsible, but he really isn’t
@@JD-jz5gu Peter literally held the elevator open for him while the cops were chasing, which led him to go outside and shoot his uncle. Like he’s pretty directly responsible lol
Wow, a real and genuine response video. So many "response video's" are done by extremely narcissistic, down talking, and generally not very likable people with the point of servicing the ego's of those offended by the original video, without actually addressing the original person like a human being. Thank you for being an exception.
I'm almost 16, and I saw these films for the first time about a year ago, and I think they are masterpieces. That's proof that you don't need nostalgia to love these films.
@@gamerboy0499 That Cosmonaut guy video in a nutshell "This is bad cause I said so, that is also bad cause I said so, yup that is bad too and Did I happened to mention that bad thing?". Nothing of substance, no rational opinions are provided in his video, everything is predetermined like he's trying too hard to hate. In his attempt of coming across as an contrarion, he did an piss-poor job at it. Also he lost all credibility when he said Spiderman: Homecoming is the best Spiderman movie he has ever seen, then it came upon me that the only reason he is hating so hard on the Raimi's trilogy is just because he is an MCU's Spiderman fanboy.
True. I saw the trilogy on tv, but it was dubbed into my native language and is heavily cut mainly targeted for kids(it was a long time ago though). But I rewatched the trilogy and man ,it was so touching.
If Homecoming didn't exist or if Tom was never in Civil War, this unnecessary war between who's the best would have never happened. It all comes down to the ones who are always ass kissing the MCU and completely ignoring the flaws all the movies have, it was great back on 2008 with Iron Man 1 and Hulk, then everything else just became crappy comedy movies with some action slapped on them. Infinity War was the only one that really impressed me, thanks to the Russos, but besides that, it's all just unfunny comedy and lackluster action with Spidey always getting his ass kicked (Homecoming), how could you praise that huge unfunny mess and say it's "accurate to the comics"? That's literally the only argument they have.
I'm subscribed to both of you guys and I'm a fan of both of your respective channels. It's fun to see how much of an impact Marcus' video has had, and I appreciate how your response is very reasoned and respectful. I personally don't have a strong opinion about Marcus' video, I just enjoy it for comedic affect. Love both of you guys, keep doing your thing!
Tom Holland takes the geekiness of Toby Maguire and the realism of a modern teenager, creating a Peter Parker who Stan Lee himself called the perfect representation of Spiderman
@Haise Sasaki What do you mean, hearing your nephew tell you that he could've stopped his uncles death and has been lying to her all this time. It's such a perfect and realistic response. Hopefully this isin't a troll comment cause i wasted like 10 seconds typing this.
Raimi's trilogy had heart and weight to it. Consequences were involved. There's another great video made by HiTop Films about homecoming and Raimis trilogy. To me, Raimi's trilogy will always be timeless. They had excellent drama, the characters were so believable and let's not forget the action scenes (doc ock bank and train fight, goblin and spideys fist fights). Thank you for making this video :)
No it didn’t, there was no weight or real emotion. If you got emotional at Spider-Man being crushed,that’s because you cared about him from a different source. If you only ever watched Homecoming you wouldn’t care half as much. The scene was the only one with any real heart and it’s faulty at that.
@@gooseofwar5711 not really. The reason the film has heart is because Peter Parker/Spider-Man seems like a believable high school kid who struggles to balance out his everyday life stuff while also being the ''friendly neighborhood'' Spider-Man. The film establishes the relationship with Tony Stark, wanting to impress his school crush and the conflict with the Vulture, particularly the scene where the twist happens and the conversation in the car happens. The reason the scene works is not only because Spider-Man lifts all of that rumble, but also because he seems like a kid who is genuinely afraid and cries out for help but when he hears echoes of what Tony Stark told to him, he understands how with great power comes great responsibility and lifts all of that rumble. He messes up a lot of the time throughout the film, particularly in the boat scene where he nearly messed it up and in the end he does make up for those shortcomings by doing at last one thing right by stopping Vulture. While Sam Raimi's Spider Man films are brilliant, but i feel that Homecoming deserves credit for where it's due. Not sure how Homecoming does ''not have heart''.
The TMG Specialist I still think the train scene is one of the best scenes in the superhero genre as a whole, but I don't think I'd call it my favorite. I do think I'd say it's my favorite ever if you asked me a few years ago though, I still love watching Spider-Man 2
Adubis I did, The point I was making is that 2 gets the most defense because it's objectively the best one. It holds up the best overall and is the easiest to defend. Even with the point brought up about 1 in this video I still think it doesn't stand the test of time, while 2 does.
they’re great, but i wouldn’t say they were ahead of their time. lord of the rings came out the same year as spiderman one and the effects hold up waaay more, that was ahead of its time.
I find it funny that he nitpicks thing that i've never thought i care about. People might think he's full of shit or "film illiterate" but i see his channel as another way to dig deep into what we love and adore over the year. And yeah his comedic timing/style is not everyone cup of tea, but then we should not take the critics seriously anyway. Maybe im not much of a movie lover to get frustrated at his nitpicking lol
Whenever i watch any of Sam Raimi's Spiderman, it feels like a hyperrealistic theatre play. The story and everything around it just makes you feel as if you actually witnessed it
Even if you don't like MJ, you can't say that she didn't have character depth, everything involved with her in the first film led to a later scene with her characters development and played a role in her getting to like Peter more or think she fancies Spider-Man. Up until the end when she confesses her newfound love for Peter
It seemed like Raimi wrote her as a complex character, but forgot to make her likable. Which personally, I don't mind. There's WAY too much emphasis on making sure all protagonists are likable in films nowadays. That's asking for one-dimensional interactions that won't interest anybody. If everyone is likable, how the hell are you going to create drama? Seems like the only remaining option is to forge misunderstandings that really only serve to frustrate the viewer. Bad writing
jack mayor well said. Even if I want MJ and Peter to be together in the first two films I understand why they aren't throughout watching, so when they finally get together it is ever more satisfying
I think even with all of it’s flaws Spider-man 3 is a pretty decent film too. Overall one of the best superhero movies ever with Spider-Man 2 still being my favourite superhero movie of all time.
At the time of its release it was a joke. But compared to today's films and not just superhero films but films in general it still holds up as a solid movie. I'll take Spider-man 3 with its actually pretty well developed villains (Sandman, Harry) and its goofiness over just bland films like Justice League and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and Amazing Spider-man 2.
Spider-Man 3 is better than Amazing Spider-Man 2 Justice league Thor Dark World Man of steel Batman v Superman Iron man 3 And probably a few others I prefer Spider-Man 3 over like I would definitely watch Spider-Man 3 again quicker than TASM 1 or even avengers 2 or Thor 1 or iron man 2 or even guardians 2 maybe but some are better movies than Spider-Man not all tho
Oh yeah yeah I agree with all of those but Iron Man 3. That's another movie I think people have shafted way too quickly without much thought, cuz it's actually a really really good movie.
FearingVirus My main issue with Iron Man 3 is how weak all the suits suddenly are. Any punch or crash breaks them apart just to fit the plot. I couldn’t get over that. It annoyed me the whole movie. I didn’t even care about the Mandarin situation or the fact that the movie is mostly about Stark’s trauma instead of Iron Man himself, that I can understand. The suits being super weak is what pisses me off.
Personally I wish they made a 4th but I think it ended right with Harry Osborn's death. It felt like an arc for his character over 3 movies. Harry's loss, Harry Vengeance and Harry's Redemption.
Spider-Man 3 would have been fixed by making him Venom instead of "New Goblin." I always wonder how the series would turn out if they'd gone in that direction.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour I think the new goblin was better because of the parental relationship as well as the relationship between Norman and Peter. I think the best would have been them not forcing Rami to have Venom and all the extra stuff to begin with
@@Dark6997 eh but it never made sense for him to take after his father anyway. There's no logical connection between where he's at by the end of Spider-Man 2 and where we find him at the start of Spider-Man 3. One of the reasons to make him Venom is that the third film could explore how he forgives Peter at first but Peter's own selfish actions (partially driven by the symbiote) culminate in turning his friend against him for the climax. The symbiote is actually a perfect way to tie the Harry arc together.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour The reason he takes up his father's mantle is because it's his deepest desire. He wants his father's approval and love but can't get so he takes his father's mantle to try and be like him while destroying not only the man his father fought but the one whom he loved more than him. It also makes Peter remember his failure in not being able to do anything but watch Norman die. I see your point but I just feel the whole point is not just his relationship with his Peter or even just his relationship to his father but all three of their relationships. together. Also I have a huge soft spot for Eddie Brock and really there is no Venom without him. There's also the fact that Sam by his own account didn't understand Venom or like him
What I've always loved about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is that you can tell they are clearly Sam Raimi movies. His style is all over them. Let me explain: Raimi got his start as a director in horror with The Evil Dead movies. The general audience may not know this, so Raimi intentionally snuck in a sequence or two in each movie that has a bit of a horror vibe to it. The first one had the lab scene with Norman Osborn and his lab assistant. The second one has the infamous hospital scene where Doc Ock kills the doctors and nurses. And the third one had a bunch of them, but 2 in particular. One where Peter is trying to remove the symbiote on the church tower and the other one where Venom stalks Peter in the construction site. Raimi used his background in horror to help him make these movies great. Even the premise of a boy being bitten by radioactive spider and getting the powers of one is very terrifying in a realistic setting. He used some horror with a silly comic book tone and he made it work. He even did this in his most recent movie, Oz the Great and Powerful, with the sequence where Theodora becomes The Wicked Witch of the West.
Tbh these movie are my guilty pleasure Like they are so dumb and Chessy and i love them so much all of them are 7/10 films excpt Spider man 3 that movie is 8/10 for its the one give me The most ironic enjoyment and i can"t live without it
I think the scene where Peter confessed to Aunt May was very powerful. She was hurt and she felt betrayed, not just by any regular guy but by her own family. She needed time to process all that pain. But in the next scene where they see each other again, Aunt May had time to recover and have a better look at things from a higher perspective, that's why she didn't want Parker to feel any shame or negative emotions when she referred to the incident, she simply brushed it aside and trying to give the impression that Peter's actions were irrelevant to Ben's death. Aunt May was my hero in this scene, she took all the pain for Peter.
Yes, Aunt May's reaction to Peter's confession made sense because she had blamed herself all those years for the death of her own husband. When Peter confessed about his lie, & how he could've stopped the man who killed her husband, she was in utter shock & speechless. That whole scene always hit me right in the feels. & when she sees Peter again it's a heartwarming moment how she showed him grace & unconditional love by forgiving him. You can see how her character was now at peace, & able to move on with her life...even by letting go of her own home & ready to move ahead. She even acknowledged Peter's courage for telling her the truth & being honest with her. ❤ It's a beautiful moment. Aunt May is such a strong gracious woman.
Plus there's something a little symbolic about her letting the bank take her house that is full of memories of Ben and Peter yet is now empty without either of them and moving into a smaller, more manageable apartment where she can leave all that pain behind her.
Aunt May was trying to kick Peter's leg to shut him up when he questioned her fib about teaching piano again. Take the whole scene into account people! 😂
One thing I would like to point out is that most of the "goofy" scenes are when peter is engaged in a full on superhero battle. You know...when the movie becomes most like a superhero comic book? Otherwise when we get scenes like peter confessing his role in uncle ben's death to aunt may it's all treated very seriously and played with genuine emotion. Raimi knows that the most ridiculous and unbelievable aspects of the Spider-Man mythos are when he is fighting super villains in a red and blue body stocking. He doesnt try to shy away from the last inherent ridiculousness. Instead he makes it his mission to develop the characters and make their personal struggles feel authentic and relatable so that it is easier to buy it when the crazy fantasy battles happen.
The train scene in the second movie is still my favorite superhero movie moment of all time. Whenever my love for Spidey is rekindled for whatever reason, I go back to find that clip on TH-cam and watch it. Idk, where's something so powerful about that scene...
It's probably my favorite film climax. Sam Raimi understands heroism. Heroism is choosing to put everything you love on the line to do what you know is right and the way the entire story builds to that moment and then shows you why it's ultimately WORTH IT is beautiful.
As much as I love the MCU Spider-Man, Raimi's first two films are near-perfect. They could stand to be a little more light-hearted at points, but they capture the tone of the comics, and more importantly the characters, almost perfectly. Thanks for standing up for them Captain!
I never cared about the CGI in spider-man 1, I just enjoyed the movie and liked seeing where it all began. I also never thought of spider-man 3 to be a good or great movie, but I ENJOYED watching it, it was visually interesting. A lot of people liked spider-man 3 because it felt like there was always something going on, no 'boring' scenes, just straight up action. So in my opinion all of the spider-man movies were good, except 'the amazing spiderman' trilogy
when raimi SM1 first released they mentioned prioritizing their vfx budget on getting the weird "comic book" styled web swinging to look right, as their initial attempts were too realistic like a real guy playing tarzan in NYC and they had no desire to make a movie that could be mistaken as taking queues from xmen. as part of the stylistic decision they changed both the proportions and motions of spiderman during swing scenes and while it did end up looking "more fake" it also looked "so much better" than what they experienced when using anatomically accurate swinging spidey CGI. The fact that people use this as a way to call the CGI "dated even for it's time" just shows you how stupid the average person is. This "style over photo-realism" aesthetic is also consistent with the other "comic book" styled effects in the movies, like the many scene wipes that are basically raimi-styled homage to comic book panels (goblin scene wipe to graduation scene using caps as the wipe mechanism is a good example) or the obviously wobbly goblin glider against an obvious green screen background which is also a raimi-styled homage to comic book wiggle lines. And when people complain that the spiderman/goblin/balloon scene is basically a giant cartoon I have to just shake my head because that is quite literally the first time we had a GOOD (joel shumacher batman movies aren't good) colorful daytime superhero fight that properly mixed cinematic motion with comic book color and style. that specific scene from the very first long-distance shot of the approaching glider all the way to spidey leaving MJ safely in a park is the precursor to every great MCU movie we have so it seems oddly insane to criticize it for not being photo-realistic enough.
Frank Rabbit nobody knows that for sure. Plenty of successful Batman movies had been made so the superhero genre was still alive and well for Marvel to start their cinematic universe.
Actually rewatching the Trilogy recently I think it stands back as one of the best superhero franchises.It so consisted with its themes and characters that I simply love it. Spider-Man (2002) aged really awkwardly but it still delivers a great origin story and introduces the characters perfectly.The sequel SP2 (2004) will remain the best Spider-Man movie and I was geniunly suprised of how flawless it was.And oh boy , I think that Spider-Man 3 is the most unnessecarily hated film in earth.It has many corny moments , but it ends every single motive and ark of the characters since the first film and has some of the best scenes in the entire trilogy.I just love this Trilogy , thank you Raimi
I'll always contend that Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight are the two best comic book movies that land on the opposite ends of the spectrum. One shows how great a comic book movie can be when it embraces the fantastical blockbuster aspect (SM2) and the other shows how a great it can be when the artist behind it takes a darker realistic approach.
Rewatched the Raimi Spider-Man movies recently and I have to say - the first two really hold up - I don't think Homecoming is that much better, like people make it out to be, sure, it does a lot of things very very well but the Raimi Versions still have the best romantic scene (upside-down-kiss), the best action-scene (Doc and Spidey metro chase), the most memorable quotes. They just had so much character.
@@mmhoss that's literally what it's supposed to be. Clear as day. Peter questions her for taking piano lessons as he clearly hasn't bought her lie and she tries to kick him but instead kicks the banker. It's just a comedic scene. Nothing more. Nothing less.
She did mean to kick peter, he said something dumb that could’ve ruined everything so she tried to keep him quiet. You can even see that she makes a face as if she didn’t mean to kick the banker.
One little detail I love about Infinity War is how Spidey takes his attention away from Thanos immediately so he can save all the Guardians from the falling debris. His joke about not remembering their names and the way he prioritized keeping them safe really reminded me of what I loved about the Raimi films. While these movies are definitely different, I think Raimi Spider-Man and MCU Spider-Man both do a great job of embodying who the character is and what he stands for, and I appreciate both of them very much despite their differences.
I hate the MCU Spider-Man movies which I think completely misunderstand the character (to the point of being borderline disrespectful)... BUT the way he's written in the Russo films is really good. He's great in Civil War and Avengers.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour So, what makes you think they misunderstood the character, I've seen multiple video essays on the topic and I never really understood what they did wrong, always seemed like the were simply comparing the MCU ones to Raimi even though the MCU ones were exploring a complety different side of the character, they both seemed like "correct" versions of the character to me, just different sides of him.
@@dkfinitely arguably, the MCU version only focused on superficial aspects of the character, sidelining the core themes that his stories have always been built on. That said, the third film pretty much addressed many of my criticisms from a few months/years ago.
The reason why I love the Raimi trilogy is because those movies convey Peter as a person more than a hero and it makes him more relatable. I just really like how Peter is constantly given reasons NOT to fight for humanity but he just won't allow himself to be corrupted even in his weakest moments. He's also a self made hero (he doesn't make gadgets or anything but he learns more about himself throughout the films that in turn make him a stronger person). I don't like MCU Peter since he lacks what I mentioned above. Stark provides all his gadgets and the movie had a "disney channel" tone to it that I don't appreciate that much. But hey, I'm not saying it's bad or anything. I just don't prefer it.
Yes, it feels as though peter becomes a product of iron man which I really don’t like. The mcu movies are great as their own thing and I remember dreaming he’d be in the mcu but not like this. It feels as if Spider-Man now relies on iron man to be a complete character and if you say he not there in far from home that’s not what I mean, in far from home he’s still very much “there” and peter even makes his suit with iron mans technology listening to AC/DC. I don’t mind the tie in it just feels excessive and overbearing sometimes and I can’t see homecoming or far from home working without iron man.
Bull shit Peter gets his powers from a spider on a lab... thats not self made... he did not even made his web shooters, mcu spidey kinda did more with his intelligence, he created his web shooters and his own web formula, Peter on the Raimi movies is not really smart all, he never build anything, he doesn't even k ows how to fix a bike! (I always laugh at that scene 😂)
@@vicentegeonix yea but thats more realistic because if ur getting every power of a spider why not get one of the main things witch is the web they can make and if ur able stick to a wall why not. The mcu peter parker is spoiled asf he has iron man that provided him with suits and different types of webs like 500 other versions it even misses out on the main thing that makes peter parker spider man witch is uncle ben what r u talking about and he has no struggles like the real peter parker. he gets everything he wants like the first movie he wanted liz and without any struggle he gets her and in this movie he wants mj he gets her at the end of the movie.But in the rami movies he acc knows what can happen if he dated her. u sound asf when u say "he doesnt know how to fix a bike" it makes the scene funnier. i can go on and on and on about this but this is not the real peter parker. I like him but hes not the real peter
Dude, yes! I'm surprised when people say they dislike the Raimi trilogy. I always point out that they laid the groundwork for the tone and humor of modern Marvel movies. And most importantly, modern Marvel movies are so cookie-cutter and slightly cynical. I do love the modern Marvel movies, but they don't really believe in the drama of their own stories. They have sweet/meaningful moments, but then they immediately undercut those moments with comedy as if they want to wink at people who don't like sweet/dramatic/tender moments. They never just linger on those moments. I will never forget that line from May in Spider-Man 2 where she talks about how heroes give up the things they want the most, even their dreams, and that is what gives the rest of us our dignity to live and our courage to die when our time comes. Like... Jesus... that was such a good line and I know they'd never put something like that in a modern Marvel movie. Spider-Man 2 is the best super-hero movie ever made and (at this rate where directors have less control) probably will ever be made.
She cheats on Harry, John, and Peter and leaves John at the altar and in the third she seems to only care about herself and gets jealous of Peter getting attention and instead of talking or Peter she goes to Harry and makes out with him. I like the character Mary Jane in the comics and MJ in the MCU. And even Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man movies. I love these movies to death I’ve grown up with them and Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time but the only problem I have with these movies (besides venom) is MJ, and the dancing scene but at least that is hilarious
Why is everyone saying the "Did your husband make that for you?" joke is dated? How? The joke had nothing to do with Spider-Man making fun of gays. Bonesaw was supposed to be a Alpha-male Macho Man Muscle-monster and Spider-Man was basically saying he was a woman/emasculating him by saying he seemed like a housewife in his eyes. If the problem was a "same-sex marriage" thing, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that. If the problem is being called a woman is supposed to be offensive, that isn't demoralizing TO women. He's demoralizing someone who is CLEARLY NOT A WOMAN which is the joke. Like calling someone a scaredy cat, you don't have to hate cats to call someone that. -.- I fail to see how that's dated. THAT is a nitpick that bugs the crap outta me, because I still think it's funny. Not hilarious, but it puts a smile on my face.
I think you missed the mark. It was not meant to make him seem like a woman. Because in real life, the saying usually goes "Aw, did your mom/wife make that for you." Peter added another layer on this by making him seem gay. And this isn't really a nitpick, because I picked up on that line on a re-watch a year or two ago and thought "Damn that doesn't belong in this year." I still think it's funny, but in a 2000's lens.
@@GuruR97 I think it's the other way around, but it isn't really your fault. It's the 2018 lens that's distorting the joke because there is nothing wrong with the joke. This a time where people actively seek anything that is even the tiniest bit offensive. Even if said thing has to be taken out of context or mistaken to be considered offensive (i.e. PC Culture). That's just our natural mindset for the past several years now, "Seek and Destory". So that is why I explained in detail why that isn't the case. Yes, he could have said "Did mommy get that for you", you could have inserted several different versions of that joke. Sam/The writers went with that one because, until 2014 it was nothing more than a mere playground jest not a homophobic or sexist hate statement like we claim it is now. The only 2000s lens, in this case, is the implification that men marry women (which is still nothing to get offended over, nothing wrong with heterosexual marriage). Therefore, Spider-Man implies he is the woman [in the relationship] which circles back to my original comment on why even THAT isn't offensive.
YES. lol at it not being funny anymore. like you said he is simply invalidating his identity as some tough alpha dude. it has nothing to do with putting down gays
james franco's performance in the awarding scene was great in my opinion. you can see the defeat in his body language and the sorrow in his face. that guy feels his dad dosn't care for him because he's not a scientist, and his loser best friend gets all the attention that's supposed to be for him in the day he becomes a "man" its way more deeper than you may think
I still think the final battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin in the first film is the best superhero fight. Because it's so simple it's there's no crazy acrobatics or insane superhuman style of stuff it's just them using some type of martial arts against each other beating the s*** out of each other throwing them into brick and glass and throwing grenades. It's a short fight but it just shows nothing has to be over elaborate in a final fight between the Big Baddy and your hero it can be simply in a small area.
Mary Jane is absolutely a terrible person in these films and the worst part is definitely in 2 where she leaves her husband on the altar on their wedding day without a word and just runs to some other guy. The only reason this is seen as a good thing is because Peter acts as a surrogate for the audience. John Jameson is never even portrayed as being a bad guy.
RIGHT?! Like, what the hell, Raimi?! Ditching your fiance at the altar is NOT cool! It's kind of a terrible thing to do. It makes MJ look like an asshole, in a moment in which we're clearly supposed to root for her. It's probably the biggest problem in that film - it almost ruins what could otherwise be a beautiful epilogue..
Why should she marry someone she doesnt love? Good or bad, we dont really care about the other guy, we barely even know anything about him. And she now knows Peter is Spiderman and that's the reason he's been secretive. It's a Sam Raimi Spiderman movie, dont take it too seriously.
Spider-man 1 & 2 is perfect, Willem Dafoe slayed the roll as Norman Osborn and Alfred Molina slayed the roll as Doctor octopus, same as James Franco he was the PERFECT Harry Osborn, and Tobey was the perfect Peter Parker and Spider-man. The TASM movies and homecoming won’t even come near them in my opinion
Well obviously we cant call him wrong. These are all his opinions. I grew up on the Raimi trilogy too, and really liked Toby as spiderman at the time. But I gotta say in comparison I think Tom Holland is the definitive Peter Parker AND Spiderman. Willem Dafriend was a good Norman but it was a little over acted (which might be on the director), Alfred IS Doc Ock and I cant really picture someone else taking that from him, Franco was kind of just an ok Harry, Kirsten Dunst is a good fit for MJ but she's a terribly written plot device, there has possibly never been a worse casting than Topher Grace as Venom. That one old dude is still MY Uncle Ben and not to mention BONESAW IS REEEAAADDYYY!!!! But I absolutely love Homecoming and I think it is the best Spiderman film made so far. But all those are my opinions. You can try to tell me I'm wrong but it wouldn't make sense lol. Cuz we are not speaking in fact. So you would just be disagreeing with me. Which is totally fine. I still have the Raimi trilogy on DVD and like to pop it in every once in a while (and yes I watch all 3 when I do, and I don't skip past P-Emo Parker). So I can understand why people like it, why people like it more, and why people don't like it. Cuz its subjective.
Your intro and outro is simply phenomenal. I really appreciate your input and answers to some of Marcus’ stupider comments about the movies. I also think Raimi’s trilogy is among the best Spider-Man movies ever created.
The original Spider-Man Trilogy are my favourite movies of all time. The first two are just perfect in my opinion, I love everything about them. The third one has some problems, but it's by far not as bad as some people describe it.
WWE 4 life I'm not going to argue those points however I will say that the action is epic af and the score is really damn good and there is funny comedy. It's not a great film but it's entertaining
Nothing will change my mind about spider man 2 that movie actually made me feel sad and made me laugh and it was a fun movie the mcu spider-man is just jokes :/
@@anirudhgupta2570 Basically they somehow think a Peter Parker that loses his powers for half the movie because of love is good 😂 Then Doc Ock forgetting about his dead wife and building a sun to harness its power?!?? To then need help from Spider-Man to take on a wall?!?? This movie is horrible.
@@trevordavis6830 Doesn't really matter to me if it's obvious, it's a great scene and acting done very well. Spiderman 1 kinda aged well but there are some things in it that you can see like the mouths not moving(at certain times) under Peter's and Goblin's mask, a mannequin replacing Spiderman when MJ is holding onto him while swinging. But Spiderman 2 holds up very well along with Spiderman 3. It's a very solid trilogy that I need to buy and watch again.
Finally, someone who actually acknowledges the many positives of the Raimi trilogy. It sucks how quickly everyone has turned against the trilogy now that we're in the "Post-Homecoming" era. Too many people now focuses on the negatives of Spider-Man 3 and uses that to justify how terrible the series was as a whole.
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What do you think of Raimi's Spider-Man films?
captainmidnight I love 1 and 2. I don't like 3.
captainmidnight I'm gonna save the day in about a week from today.
this was great. I enjoy cosmonaut variety hour and captain midnight
Haven't seen them in a while, but 7 year old me really liked the third movie. I guess not knowing what's going on in the plot and just seeing movement and effects was good enough for little kid me.
I also had a lot of toys and a spiderman pajama from spiderman 2, so I guess it's safe to say they were my favorite movies as a kid.
I love this video. This is such a well-spoken and constructive response, and I appreciate you acknowledged that most of my video was just for funsies. Maaaaybe I'll reconsider how I feel about Aunt May having heard your side.
But MJ is still the worst.
I’ll take it! Glad you liked the video, I enjoy yours too.
This exchange gives me the fuzzies
But yeah, MJ is relatively bad, in my personal opinion. Her arc is entirely dependent on Peter. She isn't her own character enough. Her damsel in distress role is frustrating for everyone watching, but that's already been said. But her whole arc was about her getting together with Peter. It was built erratically. Even her acting performances end up being used as a plot device to get Mary Jane mad at Peter, rather than being, well, something else. Aside from that, though, I enjoyed the movie.
two of my favourite youtubers having a discussion, what a great day
captainmidnight why can't the rest of the internet act like this???
Both videos seems to have missed the point about Aunt May kicking the banker. She mentions that she’s been giving piano lessons again to try and get the loan, she clearly hasn’t hence Peter’s surprised response - “you have?!” The joke is that she’s supposed to kick Peter, so he’d be quiet and not give the game away but she accidentally kicks the banker.
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT GETS IT, THANKS.
I was starting to write a huge rant about that, but then i saw your comment xD.
Yeah I didn't get that when I was younger (I'm 20 now) but I see older people still can't see it.
THANK YOU!
Both these 'critics' don't know basic humor.
Michael Zervos But unfortunately, the Cosmo Boi was too dumb to get that.
The retro clips between sections are some of the funniest things on YT, never change Cap
I actually liked the green goblin in that movie. Green Goblin is a murderous maniac; it's only fitting that he sounds like one.
Not really, he never murdered senselessly. He killed Quest employees and the general for cutting his funding, the board members for letting him go, and then he tries to kill peter cuz peter tries stopping him at the unity day festival. Other than that it’s not like he just kills for the fun of it.
I think he'll make a great joker
@@danielmcdermott6098 that's why he's a good Green goblin he's insane
Daniel McDermott remember when the bridge scene my giy
Same he’s amazing
Oh look, a healthy discussion of differing opinions of a film without antagonizing each other...
Such a rarity
If only politics could be like this
i don't know, these captain douchbag is kinda passive aggresive with the cosmonautic dude even though he can't defend these shitty movies, because they are undefendable
Nahueltastico dang it I really thought we all could have different opinions and get along
*Just don't let HiTop ruin it with his drama.*
Norman Osborn is famous, that's why. It's like saying "This is my dad, Bill Gates"
We also know they aren't exactly close. Harry looks up to his father but there isn't really a mutual respect.
It me
Exactly ! One minute later after the introduction Peter says to Norman "I read all your research on nanotech" and you can see he admire him. Harry knows this. Plus, their relationship wasn't exaclty perfect. They aren't close. Harry sees him much more as this industrialist idol than his own father.
And extremely rich.
You don't say something like that, unless you want to brag about it., wich Harry obviously doesn't want to.
The scene where Sandman is created in Spider-Man 3 and tries to grab the locket with the picture of his daughter is enough to make that movie worth it.
Ninja-Turtle Man I agree! And I'm one of the actual defenders of "Spider-Man 3" out there.
@@V_For_Vigilante wow you're so EdGy
Ninja-Turtle Man Made me very emotional dawg
And the scene where Peter shakes his dick around New York was enough to reverse it
@@T3rminata what? Did you even understand the movie? That was the culmination of his fall from grace, it's the main arc of the movie
People sometimes forget that MJ in the Sam Raimi's Spiderman is a woman with abusive father.
YES! Thank you for pointing this out
Yes but she gets on my nerves SO MUCH
She still sucks
@@erikgain1294 up
Her arc, especially in the first movie, is actually REALLY good. The whole movie is her latching onto guys that treat her poorly in different ways: first Flash just sees her as an object, Harry sees her as a way to make his father proud, and Spider-Man... is some guy she doesn't really know but finds exciting.
Then there's Peter supporting her all the while, slowly realizing that she's more than the girl next door. He's the only person in the movie that tells her her dreams are valid- this clearly shocks MJ after a lifetime of demeaning- and he's invested in her career.
Finally, at the end of the film, when she's about to die on the bridge, she realizes it's not Harry or even Spider-Man that matters most to her but Peter Parker... and Peter is finally mature enough to deny himself a relationship with her for her protection. And all this perfectly sets up great arcs in the sequel.
I mean, come on. That's brilliant drama.
Your Channel is extremely underrated
I think its adequately rated
Ikr
Ya! Seriously more people have to watch this channel who love movies/art
I think we get it now, this comment is in every one of his videos.
150k is quite a bit
if tobey maguire doesnt have a cameo in a later spiderman film im gonna be upset
tomatoanus he doesn’t act anymore
@@shantaehalf-geniehero4318 He never did
@@josharntt lol thats mean
What does he do now?
@@josharntt Apart from all those films he was in...where he played people that weren't him.
And no, this isn't a Wooooooosh moment. You're wrong in both contexts.
Spider-Man: Amazing Film
Spider-Man 2: Masterpiece
Spider-Man 3: Not as good as the first two but I still like it.
Editor's Cut is a better version of Spider-Man 3
ericdxfan511 yeah but I still think is not better than the first two films specially Spider-Man 2.
Homecoming: masterpiece
Spiderman: good
Spiderman 2: great
Spiderman 3: gave us memes.
Homecoming is average
@@Riskofrain527 homecoming forgetable
I like each morals
Uncle Ben - "with great power comes great responsibility"
Aunt May - "I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most."
Sandman - "I'm not asking you to forgive me. I just want you to understand"
Peter's forgiveness to Sandman.
Mr Osborn's faithful butler - "The night your father died... I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body... came from his glider. I know you're trying to defend your father's honour... but there's no question that he died by his own hand. I loved your father... as I have love you, Harry. As your friends love you."
Doc Ock - "Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift, to be used for the good of mankind."
One of the best morals every fine sir 10/10
TheLatiosnlatias02 and then Raimi forgets Ock's line from the beginning of the film, and has him say at the end (in response to "you once said intelligence was a gift" from Peter) *Doc nods* "A privilege."
I was like... *What?!* he changed his mind already? 😂😂
@@MissRedfield because his mind was fused with the tentacles´s AI, and they were made with only one purpose..
Captain America - "That is America' ass"
Mcu Spider-Man does not come close to that
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Aunt May walking away in that scene was so powerful. It was a “I can’t handle the amount of emotion you put on me. I need to be alone to process.” It made perfect psychological sense.
Why would she just leave peter after he’s blaming himself for uncle bens death, instead of caring and forgiving him
Because it was a lot to take in and she was old and frail
Why? Because there's a lot think to process for her, dude. Different people have different way to handle the sad news. And for me, the action of walking away is one of the action that shows that Aunt May is human like us, some of us did walk away when we hear some sad news and 'need to be alone' moment.
bruh
Honestly, the aunt May criticism makes me question if he even watched the film. He’s clearly wrong on that front.
Album Allen
He just always hide behind that when his clickbaity videos get criticized.
Album Allen Doesn’t matter if it’s still factually incorrect.
@@timy9197he’s mostly joking around, if you see any of the videos where he mentions Spiderman 2 he says that its a great movie and he’s just nitpicking
Am I the only one who shed some tears in Spider-Man 2 when Aunt May insisted on Peter keeping that $20 on his birthday? The music kicks in while Aunt May vents on about Uncle Ben and that he deserves that money. Peter starts to shed a tear while having that blank face look like he is staring into abyss, this scene alone is so powerful. The whole Uncle Ben story.. the fact Peter is so selfless despite being behind on rent, losing his job, failing school, and the burdens of making his loved ones around him happy. Harry, because he takes pics of Spidey and then MJ because he preaches how much he wants to be there for her but he never can be.. Tobey makes me feel for him like no other Spider-Man has before. I am 21 now, he was my childhood Spidey growing up and I can not wait to eventually show my future kids this Spider-Man. Thank you Tobey Maguire..
Exactly. People complained that he wasn't enough like the "Peter Parker/Spider-Man" of the comics but what I think the films did amazingly well was create a Peter Parker/Spider-Man that was three dimensional and highly relatable; he felt like a real person, unlike many other comic book movies. His strained relationships with those around him and his life struggles make his heroism all the more impressive since he's still heroic even when his life is in shambles.
That's something sorely missing from Spider-Man: Homecoming, where Peter doesn't feel as fleshed out, Peter makes many poor choices but very few negative consequences arise because of those choices - which is completely antithetical to the theme of "with great power comes great responsibility", it doesn't feel like characters could actually die or are in danger, and Peter is rather immature.
I mainly cried at harrys death, despite the mouth jitters in the crying. thats mostly how most teenagers acts. and that last word "harry..." By peter was legendary
Run Scrubs and then the 20 was given to mr ditkovic
Run Scrubs it’s enough to make a grown man cry
Run Scrubs call me a wuss, but I rewatched the trilogy a few weeks ago and kept nostalgia out of it. I enjoyed it, but I cried hard at uncle bens death. As much hate tobey gets for his crying, he made that scene so much more powerful. From uncle Ben saying “peter” with tears in his eyes to tobey saying “I’m here uncle Ben” you could tell that they regret everything they said to each other in the car
My Opinion on the trilogy.
Spider-Man: An awesome film, and it's reputation was helped by the fact there was a brand new CGI movie based off everyone's favourite web slinger.
Spider-Man 2: Great emotion, arcs, an amazing film. The best of the 3.
Spider-Man 3: Boring in some parts, but I liked the tone it gave off, it got darker, like a person growing up discovers darker things. Some weak scenes, but great never the less.
I loved the birth of Sandman scene.
@@Dacho_Shaki that scene is a work of art
Lucas Adams My favorite scene in the movie. Too bad Sandman's character was somewhat underutilized in the movie because it does feel that Raimi has a strong liking for him.
Spider-Man 3 didn't really kill the franchise, in fact it was the most successful of the trilogy in terms of earnings (which is really the only thing that matters to getting a sequel). Raimi just couldn't agree with the studio for Spider-Man 4 ideas, and was tired of Spider-Man since he had basically been doing it for 7 years at that point. So he ended up leaving.
SciVoid Didn't Raimi just stop because he already knew Sony was already making the reboot?
It feels great to see a better than you remember video rather than a worse than you remember.
Yeah, I'd rather watch videos pointing out hidden gems than nitpicks honestly.
I'd recommend watching the Really that Good series from moviebob
And guess which is gonna get the most views. (The clickbaity one.)
Nah, I get pissed at people with rose colored glasses, specially when they misremember the things they're being nostalgic about.
@@JaldaboathIrghen Which is exactly what isn't happening here.
What you said about not wanting to watch movies with perfect characters who always do the right thing. Yep, that pretty much sums up the problem with every movie I've seen lately. That's why I love the Spiderman trilogy.
Great comment. This is exactly why I love the Netflix Daredevil show and why Matt Murdock is one of my favorite heroes
Exactly!!
This is the most civilized TH-cam response I have ever watched.
Spider-Man 1 is amazing, Spider-Man 2 is a masterpiece, and Spider-Man 3 is at least a lot of fun and highly entertaining. I think the trilogy is rather solid. They're a lot better than Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 for sure.
Edit: I just finished rewatching both Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, and I've gotta reiterate: Spider-Man 2 is phenomenal. Everything about it is so good. All of the internal and external conflict just keeps building and building, and it finally climaxes with the train sequence. Mmmmm... It's so good. The theme of "trying your best, but to no avail" is captured so perfectly and it's painfully accurate. The stakes are much higher than before and the few action scenes present are a sight to behold.
Spider-Man is still amazing, though I have noticed a few glaring problems upon rewatching it. A lot of it has to do with the pacing. It creates huge time gaps waaaayyyyy too often. Like, one scene, they graduate from high school, and the next, Peter's already fired from a job we didn't even know he had and he's in college. It's so weird. The other thing that stuck out to me as problematic are how some shots are lazily layered over each other, most notably when Peter is looking through the newspaper and a huge opeque jpeg of a car comes zooming towards the screen. I couldn't help but laugh at how bad it was.
Other than that, I still love it. The CGI, while noticable, is impressive for 2002, it's full of great one liners, it embraces the campiness, and I relate to Peter's awkwardness on a spiritual level. Tobey is such a good Peter Parker.
So yeah, I still stand by my previous statement, and somehow Spider-Man 2 was even better than I remembered it being.
Spiderman 1, 2 are good, but not amazing and spiderman 3 is shit. Homecoming has the best spiderman, but i agree that the amazing spiderman series is trash
@@Riskofrain527 I feel like Spider-Man 3 gets enough bashing. Rightfully so, but it's far from horrible. I think it does more things right than it does wrong.
As for Spider-Man 1 and 2, they're really good. 2 is almost flawless in pacing and storytelling and Doc Ock remains as one of the best antagonists of all time. Spider-Man 1 is starting to show its age and the acting in it isn't as good as the others, but it's still got a great message, and the characters are well realized.
@@bctalicorn809 spiderman 3 is horrible. Spiderman 2 is no where near flawless so get rid of your nostalgia and face the fact that the original spiderman trilogy is not as good as people think
@@Riskofrain527 I didn't say Spider-Man 2 was flawless, just that it had nearly flawless pacing and storytelling.
Don't put words in my mouth.
And no, Spider-Man 3 isn't horrible, it's just a mess. A fun mess, but a mess nonetheless.
@@bctalicorn809 i didn't put words in your mouth. All i said was that spiderman 2 is no where near flawless as in it's not even near flawless also spiderman 3 is terrible. Avengers age of ultron was a mess, but still fun to watch. Spiderman 3 is just shit.
I hope he makes a response to this because this has REALLY good arguments
FORTCRAFT no it doesn’t. It just has a different point of view. There’s no discussion in here, it’s an experience thing at this point. And there’s no point in a debate around that.
@Cynical Joker he obviously doesn't
Cynical Joker condescending people are obnoxious... you don’t need to act superior in a comment section on youtube
He has, as I've counted, one good argument: that Cosmonaut ignores side character characterization in service of a stronger/funnier argument.
The Raimi sensibility thing is purely subjective though.
Agreed
Bro telling someone that you’re responsible for their husbands death and having them leave mid conversation is the MOST reasonable and compassionate response you could have to that. She could’ve broke down, exploded at Peter, or done any number of things, but because she loves him she went to be alone so she could process the information without taking anything out on him. Later once she comes to terms with it and is ready to have a healthy conversation is when she finally speaks to him again
The whole issue I have with this argument is that Peter is not responsible for Ben dying.
May should know the criminal would be armed with a gun, presumably In hand, so why would she expect Peter to jump in and stop him?
I can understand why Peter would feel responsible, but he really isn’t
@@JD-jz5gu Peter literally held the elevator open for him while the cops were chasing, which led him to go outside and shoot his uncle. Like he’s pretty directly responsible lol
Bonesaw is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaddyyyyy
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I like the same Raimi spider man trilogy here’s my list
1. Spider Man 3
2. Spider man 1
3. Spider man 2
@@eskii6565 *Ding*
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Vinny Prada that’s a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you!?
Abdulla Alhashimi my list as well!
I love Spider-Man 3 I don’t care what anybody says
Same. For me he's better than 2, but i like 2.
Same
Same thing i it is the 2nd best spider man movie because of the black suit and the villain venom
Me too. Spider-Man 2 was my favorite but I thought Spider-Man 3 was good. I actually love all 3 movies.
Now dig on this
Wow, a real and genuine response video. So many "response video's" are done by extremely narcissistic, down talking, and generally not very likable people with the point of servicing the ego's of those offended by the original video, without actually addressing the original person like a human being. Thank you for being an exception.
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I'm almost 16, and I saw these films for the first time about a year ago, and I think they are masterpieces. That's proof that you don't need nostalgia to love these films.
Thank you
i mean what was the other person thinking he nit-picks every single thing
Same I literally watched spider-man 1 a month ago and Tobey is literally my favourite spider-man version ever
@@gamerboy0499 That Cosmonaut guy video in a nutshell "This is bad cause I said so, that is also bad cause I said so, yup that is bad too and Did I happened to mention that bad thing?". Nothing of substance, no rational opinions are provided in his video, everything is predetermined like he's trying too hard to hate. In his attempt of coming across as an contrarion, he did an piss-poor job at it. Also he lost all credibility when he said Spiderman: Homecoming is the best Spiderman movie he has ever seen, then it came upon me that the only reason he is hating so hard on the Raimi's trilogy is just because he is an MCU's Spiderman fanboy.
True. I saw the trilogy on tv, but it was dubbed into my native language and is heavily cut mainly targeted for kids(it was a long time ago though). But I rewatched the trilogy and man ,it was so touching.
Wait people think raimi trilogy is bad???? Since when?
This is the trend every time a new spiderman movie comes out. It died out temporarily after asm2 but came back after homecoming.
Ti My It mostly happens every time a new Super Hero movie comes out.
MCU fangirls
Have you not actually watched the video?
If Homecoming didn't exist or if Tom was never in Civil War, this unnecessary war between who's the best would have never happened.
It all comes down to the ones who are always ass kissing the MCU and completely ignoring the flaws all the movies have, it was great back on 2008 with Iron Man 1 and Hulk, then everything else just became crappy comedy movies with some action slapped on them.
Infinity War was the only one that really impressed me, thanks to the Russos, but besides that, it's all just unfunny comedy and lackluster action with Spidey always getting his ass kicked (Homecoming), how could you praise that huge unfunny mess and say it's "accurate to the comics"? That's literally the only argument they have.
I'm subscribed to both of you guys and I'm a fan of both of your respective channels. It's fun to see how much of an impact Marcus' video has had, and I appreciate how your response is very reasoned and respectful. I personally don't have a strong opinion about Marcus' video, I just enjoy it for comedic affect. Love both of you guys, keep doing your thing!
I don't know weed is better
The only way to settle this is for you and Marcus to box on stream
incentz Captain Midnight V. Cosmonaut Marcus:Dawn Of Pizza Time
It's a draw
The Raimi movies are the best Spiderman movies
Can’t change my mind.
I ain't gonna try
Its impossible to change that FACT
Khermos it’s not a fact lmao it’s an opinion no movie can be better then another movie by fact it’s all opinion based.
Tom Holland takes the geekiness of Toby Maguire and the realism of a modern teenager, creating a Peter Parker who Stan Lee himself called the perfect representation of Spiderman
No need too, I totally agree
I felt that his criticism of aunt May wasn’t fair
He amited that he didn't think of it that way
It wasn’t even accurate. It was actually untrue.
I agree with you
Marksism Wrong
@Haise Sasaki What do you mean, hearing your nephew tell you that he could've stopped his uncles death and has been lying to her all this time. It's such a perfect and realistic response. Hopefully this isin't a troll comment cause i wasted like 10 seconds typing this.
Raimi's trilogy had heart and weight to it. Consequences were involved. There's another great video made by HiTop Films about homecoming and Raimis trilogy.
To me, Raimi's trilogy will always be timeless. They had excellent drama, the characters were so believable and let's not forget the action scenes (doc ock bank and train fight, goblin and spideys fist fights). Thank you for making this video :)
Homecoming has heart.
No it didn’t, there was no weight or real emotion. If you got emotional at Spider-Man being crushed,that’s because you cared about him from a different source. If you only ever watched Homecoming you wouldn’t care half as much. The scene was the only one with any real heart and it’s faulty at that.
Also legendary spider-man vs venom fight🔥
CVH, Captain Midnight and Hi Top Films are my three favorite youtubers and all of a sudden, all I want is a collaboration
@@gooseofwar5711 not really.
The reason the film has heart is because Peter Parker/Spider-Man seems like a believable high school kid who struggles to balance out his everyday life stuff while also being the ''friendly neighborhood'' Spider-Man. The film establishes the relationship with Tony Stark, wanting to impress his school crush and the conflict with the Vulture, particularly the scene where the twist happens and the conversation in the car happens.
The reason the scene works is not only because Spider-Man lifts all of that rumble, but also because he seems like a kid who is genuinely afraid and cries out for help but when he hears echoes of what Tony Stark told to him, he understands how with great power comes great responsibility and lifts all of that rumble.
He messes up a lot of the time throughout the film, particularly in the boat scene where he nearly messed it up and in the end he does make up for those shortcomings by doing at last one thing right by stopping Vulture.
While Sam Raimi's Spider Man films are brilliant, but i feel that Homecoming deserves credit for where it's due.
Not sure how Homecoming does ''not have heart''.
"Why Spider-Man 2 Is Better Than You Remember"
Samuel Vaca Lmao. Basically.
Samuel Vaca imo it’s the greatest marvel film to date buts that’s just my opinion I guess
The TMG Specialist I still think the train scene is one of the best scenes in the superhero genre as a whole, but I don't think I'd call it my favorite. I do think I'd say it's my favorite ever if you asked me a few years ago though, I still love watching Spider-Man 2
Samuel Vaca Did you watch the video? He clearly covers both 1 and 2.
Adubis I did, The point I was making is that 2 gets the most defense because it's objectively the best one. It holds up the best overall and is the easiest to defend. Even with the point brought up about 1 in this video I still think it doesn't stand the test of time, while 2 does.
Sam raimi's Spiderman movie was years ahead of it's time, it was amazing.
More Amazing than the amazing series.
they’re great, but i wouldn’t say they were ahead of their time. lord of the rings came out the same year as spiderman one and the effects hold up waaay more, that was ahead of its time.
I wouldn’t say they are ahead of there time the affects are bad even for the time and some the jokes didn’t age very well
Except for that one line Peter says:
“That’s a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?”
Because, you know, cancel culture. 🙄
Spectacular
I personally love the cheesiness of these movies, it feels like a comic from the sixties!
Thats what Raimi was going for as he was a fan of the original Steve Dikto and Stan Lee comics from the 60's.
Yea, and honestly, when it needs to be serious it can be very serious. It's perfectly balanced.
As all things should be.
He said that's part of the charm
Alan Killer of wonder Cheesiness is exactly why the movie Batman & Robin was a failure.
Cosmonaut does this with almost EVERY movie he talks about. I more see him as a comedy channel than an honest criticism
that cosmonaut guy is a bad joke.
I see him that too. There's some moments where I'll always laugh nonstop. THIS ISN'T STAR WARS! THIS ISN'T STAR WARS!!!
I find it funny that he nitpicks thing that i've never thought i care about. People might think he's full of shit or "film illiterate" but i see his channel as another way to dig deep into what we love and adore over the year. And yeah his comedic timing/style is not everyone cup of tea, but then we should not take the critics seriously anyway. Maybe im not much of a movie lover to get frustrated at his nitpicking lol
He makes funny videos with a splash of criticism
The Joker Dark Knight reference haha
It’s weird because I watch both of you
Same I love Marcus but his stuff is more nitpicky and comedic than midnight’s more critical style.
Same. At first I thought it was a cosmonaut follow up on his own video.
Grizzlegoist same. Lol.
TweekPark damn your profile is Silver, he was a great rival.
Delta Emerald thank you for actually knowing who it is. Everyone just assumes it’s a anime character and calls me a weeb
Whenever i watch any of Sam Raimi's Spiderman, it feels like a hyperrealistic theatre play. The story and everything around it just makes you feel as if you actually witnessed it
Yes. Just Yes.
I knew the captain would defend us fanboys honor.
Fanboys like you have no honor
@@laserz8397 no
They
Don't
seto kaiba Depends on the fandom.
@@Riskofrain527
Yes
They
*DO*
That's sad. Tobey is awful as A Web-Warrior. But a good peter
I love Marcus’s videos and I loved his video for comedic reasons, but you pointed out some of my criticisms of his vid.
I love Tom Holland spiderman but I still agree that Tobey Maguire is the best spiderman ever
I like the Spetacular Spider-Man the most but yeah Movie version definitely the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man
I honestly believe ps4 version is the best representation of Spider-Man
I don't have anything else to say I just wanted to put this out there
@@miguelcastillo3723 same
best on movie: bully maguire
best on tv: spectacular spidey
No it’s not. That’s nostalgia talking
Even if you don't like MJ, you can't say that she didn't have character depth, everything involved with her in the first film led to a later scene with her characters development and played a role in her getting to like Peter more or think she fancies Spider-Man. Up until the end when she confesses her newfound love for Peter
It seemed like Raimi wrote her as a complex character, but forgot to make her likable.
Which personally, I don't mind. There's WAY too much emphasis on making sure all protagonists are likable in films nowadays. That's asking for one-dimensional interactions that won't interest anybody.
If everyone is likable, how the hell are you going to create drama? Seems like the only remaining option is to forge misunderstandings that really only serve to frustrate the viewer. Bad writing
jack mayor
well said. Even if I want MJ and Peter to be together in the first two films I understand why they aren't throughout watching, so when they finally get together it is ever more satisfying
I prefer this character than half of Homecoming’s cast. Especially Michelle.
The problem I had with MJ is that she gets kidnapped in every single movie. I don't see how thats character growth.
@@lizardwizard4664 she wasn’t supposed to be kidnapped in 3.
You kind of sound like Tobey Maguire
Hehehe
My god.
No he doesn’t.
Yes, he does
Holy crap he kinda does if I imagine Toby’s face speaking with Captain Midnight’s voice
Plpt twists
I think even with all of it’s flaws Spider-man 3 is a pretty decent film too. Overall one of the best superhero movies ever with Spider-Man 2 still being my favourite superhero movie of all time.
At the time of its release it was a joke. But compared to today's films and not just superhero films but films in general it still holds up as a solid movie. I'll take Spider-man 3 with its actually pretty well developed villains (Sandman, Harry) and its goofiness over just bland films like Justice League and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and Amazing Spider-man 2.
Spider-Man 3 is better than
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Justice league
Thor Dark World
Man of steel
Batman v Superman
Iron man 3
And probably a few others I prefer Spider-Man 3 over like I would definitely watch Spider-Man 3 again quicker than TASM 1 or even avengers 2 or Thor 1 or iron man 2 or even guardians 2 maybe but some are better movies than Spider-Man not all tho
NFStyles exactly , maybe it'd because I watched it when I was a kid and it has the nostalgia
Oh yeah yeah I agree with all of those but Iron Man 3. That's another movie I think people have shafted way too quickly without much thought, cuz it's actually a really really good movie.
FearingVirus My main issue with Iron Man 3 is how weak all the suits suddenly are. Any punch or crash breaks them apart just to fit the plot. I couldn’t get over that. It annoyed me the whole movie. I didn’t even care about the Mandarin situation or the fact that the movie is mostly about Stark’s trauma instead of Iron Man himself, that I can understand. The suits being super weak is what pisses me off.
thank you for your response, the sam raimi movies are masterpieces and I noticed the subtle acting of Harry in the graduation scene right away
You want a medal?
7:43
Dude, I forgot how gorgeous Kirsten Dunst was in the first Spider-Man.
She looks so healthy and pretty and youthful
dont let this distract you from the fact that Tony Stark has never talked to Black panther even once in the MCU
Wait are you serious?
Matt I. Yea. Rewatch Civil War and see.
K now I have to watch Civil War again. They both fight Winter Soldier in a lobby if I remember correctly....they MUST have spoken... 🤔
He most likely did off screen
@@RockoEstalon how is that?- HE TALKS TO NICK FURY! How is not talking to a black person a nod?
Personally I wish they made a 4th but I think it ended right with Harry Osborn's death. It felt like an arc for his character over 3 movies.
Harry's loss, Harry Vengeance and Harry's Redemption.
Perfect arc right!
Spider-Man 3 would have been fixed by making him Venom instead of "New Goblin." I always wonder how the series would turn out if they'd gone in that direction.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour I think the new goblin was better because of the parental relationship as well as the relationship between Norman and Peter. I think the best would have been them not forcing Rami to have Venom and all the extra stuff to begin with
@@Dark6997 eh but it never made sense for him to take after his father anyway. There's no logical connection between where he's at by the end of Spider-Man 2 and where we find him at the start of Spider-Man 3. One of the reasons to make him Venom is that the third film could explore how he forgives Peter at first but Peter's own selfish actions (partially driven by the symbiote) culminate in turning his friend against him for the climax. The symbiote is actually a perfect way to tie the Harry arc together.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour The reason he takes up his father's mantle is because it's his deepest desire. He wants his father's approval and love but can't get so he takes his father's mantle to try and be like him while destroying not only the man his father fought but the one whom he loved more than him. It also makes Peter remember his failure in not being able to do anything but watch Norman die.
I see your point but I just feel the whole point is not just his relationship with his Peter or even just his relationship to his father but all three of their relationships. together.
Also I have a huge soft spot for Eddie Brock and really there is no Venom without him. There's also the fact that Sam by his own account didn't understand Venom or like him
The original Spider-Man trilogy will always have a special place in my heart
What I've always loved about Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is that you can tell they are clearly Sam Raimi movies. His style is all over them. Let me explain: Raimi got his start as a director in horror with The Evil Dead movies. The general audience may not know this, so Raimi intentionally snuck in a sequence or two in each movie that has a bit of a horror vibe to it. The first one had the lab scene with Norman Osborn and his lab assistant. The second one has the infamous hospital scene where Doc Ock kills the doctors and nurses. And the third one had a bunch of them, but 2 in particular. One where Peter is trying to remove the symbiote on the church tower and the other one where Venom stalks Peter in the construction site. Raimi used his background in horror to help him make these movies great. Even the premise of a boy being bitten by radioactive spider and getting the powers of one is very terrifying in a realistic setting. He used some horror with a silly comic book tone and he made it work. He even did this in his most recent movie, Oz the Great and Powerful, with the sequence where Theodora becomes The Wicked Witch of the West.
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Don't forget the green goblin in the burning house
Tbh these movie are my guilty pleasure Like they are so dumb and Chessy and i love them so much all of them are 7/10 films excpt Spider man 3 that movie is 8/10 for its the one give me The most ironic enjoyment and i can"t live without it
@@solidhutyr1815 What about the unspeakable horror known to humanity as Joel Schumacher’s Batman & Robin?
I think the scene where Peter confessed to Aunt May was very powerful. She was hurt and she felt betrayed, not just by any regular guy but by her own family. She needed time to process all that pain. But in the next scene where they see each other again, Aunt May had time to recover and have a better look at things from a higher perspective, that's why she didn't want Parker to feel any shame or negative emotions when she referred to the incident, she simply brushed it aside and trying to give the impression that Peter's actions were irrelevant to Ben's death. Aunt May was my hero in this scene, she took all the pain for Peter.
Yes, Aunt May's reaction to Peter's confession made sense because she had blamed herself all those years for the death of her own husband. When Peter confessed about his lie, & how he could've stopped the man who killed her husband, she was in utter shock & speechless. That whole scene always hit me right in the feels.
& when she sees Peter again it's a heartwarming moment how she showed him grace & unconditional love by forgiving him. You can see how her character was now at peace, & able to move on with her life...even by letting go of her own home & ready to move ahead. She even acknowledged Peter's courage for telling her the truth & being honest with her. ❤ It's a beautiful moment. Aunt May is such a strong gracious woman.
Plus there's something a little symbolic about her letting the bank take her house that is full of memories of Ben and Peter yet is now empty without either of them and moving into a smaller, more manageable apartment where she can leave all that pain behind her.
Aunt May was trying to kick Peter's leg to shut him up when he questioned her fib about teaching piano again. Take the whole scene into account people! 😂
Finally, two TH-camrs coming to peace instead of having a staged boxing match.
I grow up with this trilogy and even today is my favorite still .
Best spider-man ever
One thing I would like to point out is that most of the "goofy" scenes are when peter is engaged in a full on superhero battle. You know...when the movie becomes most like a superhero comic book? Otherwise when we get scenes like peter confessing his role in uncle ben's death to aunt may it's all treated very seriously and played with genuine emotion. Raimi knows that the most ridiculous and unbelievable aspects of the Spider-Man mythos are when he is fighting super villains in a red and blue body stocking. He doesnt try to shy away from the last inherent ridiculousness. Instead he makes it his mission to develop the characters and make their personal struggles feel authentic and relatable so that it is easier to buy it when the crazy fantasy battles happen.
The ‘dinner table scene’ is heartbreaking and perfect.
The train scene in the second movie is still my favorite superhero movie moment of all time. Whenever my love for Spidey is rekindled for whatever reason, I go back to find that clip on TH-cam and watch it. Idk, where's something so powerful about that scene...
It's because he's giving it his all to save people that haven't yet given anything to Peter or Spider-Man.
It's probably my favorite film climax. Sam Raimi understands heroism. Heroism is choosing to put everything you love on the line to do what you know is right and the way the entire story builds to that moment and then shows you why it's ultimately WORTH IT is beautiful.
As much as I love the MCU Spider-Man, Raimi's first two films are near-perfect. They could stand to be a little more light-hearted at points, but they capture the tone of the comics, and more importantly the characters, almost perfectly. Thanks for standing up for them Captain!
All Light So does the MJ in homecoming (Not Really Mary Jane) but still awful IMO.
I like MCU Spider-Man too(not anymore than Tobey though), but I absolutely hated the movie. Should have been called Spider-Man & Iron-Man.
Cyberdemon Mike Umm MJ isn't a damsel in the Comics lol
I never cared about the CGI in spider-man 1, I just enjoyed the movie and liked seeing where it all began. I also never thought of spider-man 3 to be a good or great movie, but I ENJOYED watching it, it was visually interesting. A lot of people liked spider-man 3 because it felt like there was always something going on, no 'boring' scenes, just straight up action. So in my opinion all of the spider-man movies were good, except 'the amazing spiderman' trilogy
666 subs with no videos?
Amaizing spiderman is not even a trilogy
when raimi SM1 first released they mentioned prioritizing their vfx budget on getting the weird "comic book" styled web swinging to look right, as their initial attempts were too realistic like a real guy playing tarzan in NYC and they had no desire to make a movie that could be mistaken as taking queues from xmen. as part of the stylistic decision they changed both the proportions and motions of spiderman during swing scenes and while it did end up looking "more fake" it also looked "so much better" than what they experienced when using anatomically accurate swinging spidey CGI. The fact that people use this as a way to call the CGI "dated even for it's time" just shows you how stupid the average person is.
This "style over photo-realism" aesthetic is also consistent with the other "comic book" styled effects in the movies, like the many scene wipes that are basically raimi-styled homage to comic book panels (goblin scene wipe to graduation scene using caps as the wipe mechanism is a good example) or the obviously wobbly goblin glider against an obvious green screen background which is also a raimi-styled homage to comic book wiggle lines. And when people complain that the spiderman/goblin/balloon scene is basically a giant cartoon I have to just shake my head because that is quite literally the first time we had a GOOD (joel shumacher batman movies aren't good) colorful daytime superhero fight that properly mixed cinematic motion with comic book color and style. that specific scene from the very first long-distance shot of the approaching glider all the way to spidey leaving MJ safely in a park is the precursor to every great MCU movie we have so it seems oddly insane to criticize it for not being photo-realistic enough.
Without Raimi's trilogy, we wouldn't have the MCU.
Frank Rabbit uhhhhh, but Ironman is what started the MCU?
Yeah, but is Spider-Man wasn't successful then Iron Man would never have even been greenlit
Frank Rabbit nobody knows that for sure. Plenty of successful Batman movies had been made so the superhero genre was still alive and well for Marvel to start their cinematic universe.
If you want to go back Really far without Superman 1978 we wouldn’t have any superhero movies at all
@@StottOnTheDot Batman was dead in the 90s and early 2000s.
Can't wait to see Sam Raimi's take on Doctor Strange. For sure it will be awesom just like his Spidey films.
As least you're having a healthy discussion about his video, and not calling him a hater like some people have.
Really enjoy your vids.
Actually rewatching the Trilogy recently I think it stands back as one of the best superhero franchises.It so consisted with its themes and characters that I simply love it. Spider-Man (2002) aged really awkwardly but it still delivers a great origin story and introduces the characters perfectly.The sequel SP2 (2004) will remain the best Spider-Man movie and I was geniunly suprised of how flawless it was.And oh boy , I think that Spider-Man 3 is the most unnessecarily hated film in earth.It has many corny moments , but it ends every single motive and ark of the characters since the first film and has some of the best scenes in the entire trilogy.I just love this Trilogy , thank you Raimi
Its one of the best it really set the standard of super hero movies. I put it next to unbreakable and the dark knight
I'll always contend that Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight are the two best comic book movies that land on the opposite ends of the spectrum. One shows how great a comic book movie can be when it embraces the fantastical blockbuster aspect (SM2) and the other shows how a great it can be when the artist behind it takes a darker realistic approach.
Wow,you are smart one
Thanks!
Rewatched the Raimi Spider-Man movies recently and I have to say - the first two really hold up - I don't think Homecoming is that much better, like people make it out to be, sure, it does a lot of things very very well but the Raimi Versions still have the best romantic scene (upside-down-kiss), the best action-scene (Doc and Spidey metro chase), the most memorable quotes. They just had so much character.
Right 🤦🏾♂️
The best character development and themes as well.
@Abraham I'll say one nice thing: homecoming is like really pleasant frosting on a terrible cake
Homecoming is a garbage ass movie
2:40 Wait, did Spidey just kill that weird dog? Damn, that must be what Karen refers to as "Instant Kill" mode.
When Aunt May kicks the banker it's because shes trying to kick Peter's leg. She was trying to shut him up but kept missing. Hilarious.
I'm pretty sure that Aunt May intended to kick Peter's leg in the bank scene for almost ruining her lie, but she kicked the banker by mistake?
That's what I always thought.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. She would kick across thinking she'd hit Peter when they're sitting next to each other eh?
@@mmhoss Maybe May's Actor Accidentally Kicked The Bank Guy Instead Of Tobey And The Producers Kept It In?
@@mmhoss that's literally what it's supposed to be. Clear as day. Peter questions her for taking piano lessons as he clearly hasn't bought her lie and she tries to kick him but instead kicks the banker. It's just a comedic scene. Nothing more. Nothing less.
She did mean to kick peter, he said something dumb that could’ve ruined everything so she tried to keep him quiet. You can even see that she makes a face as if she didn’t mean to kick the banker.
One little detail I love about Infinity War is how Spidey takes his attention away from Thanos immediately so he can save all the Guardians from the falling debris. His joke about not remembering their names and the way he prioritized keeping them safe really reminded me of what I loved about the Raimi films. While these movies are definitely different, I think Raimi Spider-Man and MCU Spider-Man both do a great job of embodying who the character is and what he stands for, and I appreciate both of them very much despite their differences.
I hate the MCU Spider-Man movies which I think completely misunderstand the character (to the point of being borderline disrespectful)... BUT the way he's written in the Russo films is really good. He's great in Civil War and Avengers.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour Agree to disagree on the first part of your statement, but I agree that he shines exceptionally well in the Russo films.
@@SalsaPie fair enough lol
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour So, what makes you think they misunderstood the character, I've seen multiple video essays on the topic and I never really understood what they did wrong, always seemed like the were simply comparing the MCU ones to Raimi even though the MCU ones were exploring a complety different side of the character, they both seemed like "correct" versions of the character to me, just different sides of him.
@@dkfinitely arguably, the MCU version only focused on superficial aspects of the character, sidelining the core themes that his stories have always been built on. That said, the third film pretty much addressed many of my criticisms from a few months/years ago.
This channel RULES!
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Raimi's humour is unironically better than most jokes in Homecoming.
MCU humour gets really samey after the 100th film to rely purely on snarky dialogue in a row.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that, but I would say that MCU humor is only funny the first time while Raimi’s humor holds up on repeated watches
haha no
@@qui-gonjim6440 mcu humour is still leagues above raimi's cheesy 2002 humour
@@anirudhgupta2570 🤡🤡
The reason why I love the Raimi trilogy is because those movies convey Peter as a person more than a hero and it makes him more relatable. I just really like how Peter is constantly given reasons NOT to fight for humanity but he just won't allow himself to be corrupted even in his weakest moments. He's also a self made hero (he doesn't make gadgets or anything but he learns more about himself throughout the films that in turn make him a stronger person).
I don't like MCU Peter since he lacks what I mentioned above. Stark provides all his gadgets and the movie had a "disney channel" tone to it that I don't appreciate that much. But hey, I'm not saying it's bad or anything. I just don't prefer it.
Yes, it feels as though peter becomes a product of iron man which I really don’t like. The mcu movies are great as their own thing and I remember dreaming he’d be in the mcu but not like this. It feels as if Spider-Man now relies on iron man to be a complete character and if you say he not there in far from home that’s not what I mean, in far from home he’s still very much “there” and peter even makes his suit with iron mans technology listening to AC/DC. I don’t mind the tie in it just feels excessive and overbearing sometimes and I can’t see homecoming or far from home working without iron man.
Bull shit Peter gets his powers from a spider on a lab... thats not self made... he did not even made his web shooters, mcu spidey kinda did more with his intelligence, he created his web shooters and his own web formula, Peter on the Raimi movies is not really smart all, he never build anything, he doesn't even k ows how to fix a bike! (I always laugh at that scene 😂)
@@vicentegeonix yea but thats more realistic because if ur getting every power of a spider why not get one of the main things witch is the web they can make and if ur able stick to a wall why not. The mcu peter parker is spoiled asf he has iron man that provided him with suits and different types of webs like 500 other versions it even misses out on the main thing that makes peter parker spider man witch is uncle ben what r u talking about and he has no struggles like the real peter parker. he gets everything he wants like the first movie he wanted liz and without any struggle he gets her and in this movie he wants mj he gets her at the end of the movie.But in the rami movies he acc knows what can happen if he dated her. u sound asf when u say "he doesnt know how to fix a bike" it makes the scene funnier. i can go on and on and on about this but this is not the real peter parker. I like him but hes not the real peter
@@marveleeditsmarveledits3379 tldr
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Holy Canada finally a Rami fan who is reasonable... but that is impossible.
Dude, yes! I'm surprised when people say they dislike the Raimi trilogy. I always point out that they laid the groundwork for the tone and humor of modern Marvel movies. And most importantly, modern Marvel movies are so cookie-cutter and slightly cynical. I do love the modern Marvel movies, but they don't really believe in the drama of their own stories. They have sweet/meaningful moments, but then they immediately undercut those moments with comedy as if they want to wink at people who don't like sweet/dramatic/tender moments. They never just linger on those moments.
I will never forget that line from May in Spider-Man 2 where she talks about how heroes give up the things they want the most, even their dreams, and that is what gives the rest of us our dignity to live and our courage to die when our time comes. Like... Jesus... that was such a good line and I know they'd never put something like that in a modern Marvel movie.
Spider-Man 2 is the best super-hero movie ever made and (at this rate where directors have less control) probably will ever be made.
I watch both of you every time that you and cosmonaut put out videos and I'm just happy you guys recognize each other. Made my day
why do people hate mj so much? She acts pretty human considerating her background.
MJ is a good person. I love her, I do not hate her.
El necrofilo she’s actually a pretty good character.
She cheats on Harry, John, and Peter and leaves John at the altar and in the third she seems to only care about herself and gets jealous of Peter getting attention and instead of talking or Peter she goes to Harry and makes out with him. I like the character Mary Jane in the comics and MJ in the MCU. And even Gwen Stacy in the Amazing Spider-Man movies. I love these movies to death I’ve grown up with them and Spider-Man 2 is my favorite movie of all time but the only problem I have with these movies (besides venom) is MJ, and the dancing scene but at least that is hilarious
Considerating huh
NolanWins1027 huuh MJ isn’t in the MCU.. that’s Michelle Jones
Every single Raimi fan is speaking through this video right now.
"I DONT WANT YOUR OPINION, I WANT MORE PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN"
Why is everyone saying the "Did your husband make that for you?" joke is dated?
How? The joke had nothing to do with Spider-Man making fun of gays. Bonesaw was supposed to be a Alpha-male Macho Man Muscle-monster and Spider-Man was basically saying he was a woman/emasculating him by saying he seemed like a housewife in his eyes. If the problem was a "same-sex marriage" thing, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that. If the problem is being called a woman is supposed to be offensive, that isn't demoralizing TO women. He's demoralizing someone who is CLEARLY NOT A WOMAN which is the joke. Like calling someone a scaredy cat, you don't have to hate cats to call someone that. -.-
I fail to see how that's dated. THAT is a nitpick that bugs the crap outta me, because I still think it's funny. Not hilarious, but it puts a smile on my face.
I think you missed the mark. It was not meant to make him seem like a woman. Because in real life, the saying usually goes "Aw, did your mom/wife make that for you." Peter added another layer on this by making him seem gay. And this isn't really a nitpick, because I picked up on that line on a re-watch a year or two ago and thought "Damn that doesn't belong in this year." I still think it's funny, but in a 2000's lens.
@@GuruR97 I think it's the other way around, but it isn't really your fault. It's the 2018 lens that's distorting the joke because there is nothing wrong with the joke. This a time where people actively seek anything that is even the tiniest bit offensive. Even if said thing has to be taken out of context or mistaken to be considered offensive (i.e. PC Culture). That's just our natural mindset for the past several years now, "Seek and Destory".
So that is why I explained in detail why that isn't the case. Yes, he could have said "Did mommy get that for you", you could have inserted several different versions of that joke. Sam/The writers went with that one because, until 2014 it was nothing more than a mere playground jest not a homophobic or sexist hate statement like we claim it is now. The only 2000s lens, in this case, is the implification that men marry women (which is still nothing to get offended over, nothing wrong with heterosexual marriage). Therefore, Spider-Man implies he is the woman [in the relationship] which circles back to my original comment on why even THAT isn't offensive.
YES. lol at it not being funny anymore. like you said he is simply invalidating his identity as some tough alpha dude. it has nothing to do with putting down gays
it's just a joke, spiderman is full of bad jokes (now it came the ps4 game and it's full of bad jokes on purpose and no one says anything)
@@neonsamus how does it invalidate his macho identity if he were gay?
Congrats for digging out the nuances of what makes the Sam Raimi movies so on-the-mark. He really gets Spidey!
james franco's performance in the awarding scene was great in my opinion. you can see the defeat in his body language and the sorrow in his face. that guy feels his dad dosn't care for him because he's not a scientist, and his loser best friend gets all the attention that's supposed to be for him in the day he becomes a "man"
its way more deeper than you may think
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy is just iconic. xD
I still think the final battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin in the first film is the best superhero fight.
Because it's so simple it's there's no crazy acrobatics or insane superhuman style of stuff it's just them using some type of martial arts against each other beating the s*** out of each other throwing them into brick and glass and throwing grenades.
It's a short fight but it just shows nothing has to be over elaborate in a final fight between the Big Baddy and your hero it can be simply in a small area.
Mary Jane is absolutely a terrible person in these films and the worst part is definitely in 2 where she leaves her husband on the altar on their wedding day without a word and just runs to some other guy. The only reason this is seen as a good thing is because Peter acts as a surrogate for the audience. John Jameson is never even portrayed as being a bad guy.
I don't think he was supposed to be a bad guy. Peter is just supposed to connect with her better, although it doesn't seem like he does.
"Call Debra."
"The- the caterer?"
"...tell her not to open the caviar."
*long sigh*
RIGHT?! Like, what the hell, Raimi?! Ditching your fiance at the altar is NOT cool! It's kind of a terrible thing to do. It makes MJ look like an asshole, in a moment in which we're clearly supposed to root for her. It's probably the biggest problem in that film - it almost ruins what could otherwise be a beautiful epilogue..
Why should she marry someone she doesnt love? Good or bad, we dont really care about the other guy, we barely even know anything about him. And she now knows Peter is Spiderman and that's the reason he's been secretive.
It's a Sam Raimi Spiderman movie, dont take it too seriously.
The note felt really impersonal.
Spider-man 1 & 2 is perfect, Willem Dafoe slayed the roll as Norman Osborn and Alfred Molina slayed the roll as Doctor octopus, same as James Franco he was the PERFECT Harry Osborn, and Tobey was the perfect Peter Parker and Spider-man. The TASM movies and homecoming won’t even come near them in my opinion
Frida Gallon 😂😂😂
Ian VLNVA what’s funny? You can’t really call him wrong
Well obviously we cant call him wrong. These are all his opinions. I grew up on the Raimi trilogy too, and really liked Toby as spiderman at the time. But I gotta say in comparison I think Tom Holland is the definitive Peter Parker AND Spiderman. Willem Dafriend was a good Norman but it was a little over acted (which might be on the director), Alfred IS Doc Ock and I cant really picture someone else taking that from him, Franco was kind of just an ok Harry, Kirsten Dunst is a good fit for MJ but she's a terribly written plot device, there has possibly never been a worse casting than Topher Grace as Venom. That one old dude is still MY Uncle Ben and not to mention BONESAW IS REEEAAADDYYY!!!! But I absolutely love Homecoming and I think it is the best Spiderman film made so far. But all those are my opinions. You can try to tell me I'm wrong but it wouldn't make sense lol. Cuz we are not speaking in fact. So you would just be disagreeing with me. Which is totally fine. I still have the Raimi trilogy on DVD and like to pop it in every once in a while (and yes I watch all 3 when I do, and I don't skip past P-Emo Parker). So I can understand why people like it, why people like it more, and why people don't like it. Cuz its subjective.
Tom Hoelland is a shit Spider man.
Spiderman TAS was actually a good show, it ended bad but good at the same time.
@@user-sm8zw4bj8q that's like, your opinion, man. Also they meant the Amazing Spiderman movies, not the show. The movies sucked.
I take nothing away from Tom. He was amazing. But Tobey Maguire will always be my favourite spiderman.
Facts Exactly
The first one came out when I was 16. It was AWESOME. Remember, these movies used to be made for teenagers.
Your intro and outro is simply phenomenal. I really appreciate your input and answers to some of Marcus’ stupider comments about the movies. I also think Raimi’s trilogy is among the best Spider-Man movies ever created.
The original Spider-Man Trilogy are my favourite movies of all time.
The first two are just perfect in my opinion, I love everything about them. The third one has some problems, but it's by far not as bad as some people describe it.
WWE 4 life third movie isn’t terrible it’s very watchable just not as good as 2
WWE 4 life
I'm not going to argue those points however I will say that the action is epic af and the score is really damn good and there is funny comedy. It's not a great film but it's entertaining
It's 2020 and many people think that S2 is the best comic book movie ever.
So i think the 80% of us still love the raimi trilogy
Nothing will change my mind about spider man 2 that movie actually made me feel sad and made me laugh and it was a fun movie the mcu spider-man is just jokes :/
@@standardperson3189 is my 2nd favourite spdierman movie but is still great
no only raimitards love it cause of nostalgia
@@anirudhgupta2570 get knowledge of movies
@@anirudhgupta2570 Basically they somehow think a Peter Parker that loses his powers for half the movie because of love is good 😂 Then Doc Ock forgetting about his dead wife and building a sun to harness its power?!?? To then need help from Spider-Man to take on a wall?!?? This movie is horrible.
I watch him for jokes and comedy. I watch Captain Midnight for depth and varies reasons. Solid video Captain Midnight.
Capppppptttttaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnnnnn Midddddddnnnnniiiggghhhhhhtttttt am I the only one who says it with the intro
Me also
No. I do it also and honestly look forward to the next video so I can hear it again.
Me too bro.
It's more like Captainnnnnnnnnnnnnn midnight
Yeaj
These movies are classics that will never be forgotten, hopefully.
This sounds like Tobey Maguire? Anyone else? Just me?
YOOOOO IKR
Holly shizzz I thought the same thing !!!
Emanuel II
He doesn’t say: “I’m captainmidnight and I have a job to do”😅
I feel like the first Spider-Man movie didn't age well for me, but Spider-Man 2 still holds up pretty well.
I still really enjoy Spider-man 1, but Spider-man 2 is definitely the one the better of the two.
Spiderman 2 holds up amazing imo, the choreography was some of the best in any super hero movie
I don't know. I rewatched the train scene recently and it really didn't age well. The acting was bad and symbolism was really obnoxious and obvious.
@@trevordavis6830 Doesn't really matter to me if it's obvious, it's a great scene and acting done very well. Spiderman 1 kinda aged well but there are some things in it that you can see like the mouths not moving(at certain times) under Peter's and Goblin's mask, a mannequin replacing Spiderman when MJ is holding onto him while swinging. But Spiderman 2 holds up very well along with Spiderman 3. It's a very solid trilogy that I need to buy and watch again.
Emperor Palpy Spider-Man 1 and 2 are still leagues better than Homecoming
Semi-popular opinion: Tobey Maguire is still the best Spider-Man.
Meh I prefer tom holland
Unpopular opinion: Ben Afflecks batsuit looked like a toilet paper mesh
seto kaiba nah. I like Tobey more because he actually did stuff on his own rather than relying on a special suit.
Sauci Cam Agreed so much to you
nah. toby was the best peter parker, not the best spider man
Finally, someone who actually acknowledges the many positives of the Raimi trilogy. It sucks how quickly everyone has turned against the trilogy now that we're in the "Post-Homecoming" era. Too many people now focuses on the negatives of Spider-Man 3 and uses that to justify how terrible the series was as a whole.
I love and respect all 3 all THREE movies