I really enjoyed this discussion of a place & piece I know so well - I've had the entire citadel & museum to myself & 2 friends one rainy afternoon in February,it was wonderful.
So much unexpected beauty in this video: the Minoan column, the Lion Hunt Dagger, etc. I also enjoyed hearing all the conjectures - maybe we'll know more someday.
Interesting fact: The weight of the lintel stone is 11 metric tons /11000 kg / 24250 lbs. Also my modern Rorschach interpretation of the "altars" is two metal I beams one next to the other
There are contemporary and earlier Mycenean signet rings with similar heraldic positions, so it is probably a heraldic pose of 2 lions (or griffins, or sphinxes). If the altars they are stepping on are actually inspired from Minoan libation / offerings tables, and each one does have the shape of a labrys on its side, it could represent the conquest of Minoan lands by the Myceneans, which might have happened in the 15th c. BCE. Knossos was occupied by Myceneans after that in any case, with other Minoan palatial sites being burned and abandoned. Evans thought that the pillar had religious connotations, although it seems hard to discern if it is an object which carries some cultural symbolism or if it is an aesthetically pleasing architectural element.
if lions/big cats represented nobility and power in Mycenaean Greece as they do today then putting them on your city gate could be something similar to a showing of strength
Mycenae was the home of the house Atreides, whose one member at some point was Agamemnon. Yes, it did shown power at the time, and the power of Mycenae was big for a long time
The Mycenae lion gate is very reminiscent of the lion gate at Hattusa. In my opinion, It seems as the Mycenaeans may have also been influenced by Hittite symbolism and architectural forms.
I'm playing assassin's Creed odiyssi and I'm taking the tour and I'm standing at the gate so I thought to search in TH-cam to c if it was still standing and wow it is this game historical tour is AMAZING everyone should try it I think it's free on Xbox and ps5
Nice video. Anyone have any theories of why block at the top of the pillar with the four circular relief objects is placed somewhat to the right of centre? Could the heads of the lions have been not symmetrical, with the one on the right twisted to the front and the one on the left pointing to the right? The space for the head of the left lion is much bigger than the space for that on the right. The level of accurate detail of the lions' bodies suggests the offset positioning of the block was deliberate.
anyone else notice when he says "we are completely unprotected... it would be easy to rain arrows, spears, anything," and then she replies, "yes, I would have felt very safe"
Also used as one of several pieces of archeological evidence to substantiate the claim that the works of Homer were based on an historical "core" of truth. See: Heinrich Schliemann
...to use the metaphor of St. Augustine, the generation of knowledge requires another cause: "Whatever object we know is a co-factor in the generation of the knowledge of it. For knowledge is begotten both by the knowing subject and the known object" (De Trinitate, IX, xii). from Dubray, Charles. "Knowledge." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 2 Nov. 2017 . retrived 2nd Nov 2017. See Also. Unknown. A funeral stele found on Grave Circle A, Mycenae, 16th century BC. Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 retrived Nov. 2017 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_Circle_A,_Mycenae#/media/File:Stele_of_Grave_Circle_A_Mycenae.jpg from Grave Circle A, Mycenae. Wikipedia Encyclopedia. internet site
😒🦁 But the Big Cats won't be back for a while, and the Ecological Non-profit organization like the Mykinaïkó Ieró Liontarión is starting to Come soon and the Lions will come back soon in 2025.
Once again the narration is so moving, so vivid that it's TOO GOOD. I'm like, 'I bet the Minoan/Mycaneans who left this legacy to be deciphered by these two narrators are vindicated in time and space, heralded by these narraters.' Oh yeah, you're like, that's good, but meanwhile, I've lost my place in the content entirely, and now I'm back to my fifteenth view, I'll be equally as enthralled, edge of my seat, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, agreeing with everything your saying, wow the tempo, wow the knowledge, oh, wait, what were they talking about? lolololololol. Rewind!
Very informative video, I loved the chemistry of the two narrators, their back-and-forth really engaged me!
Yeah, I'm normally not a fun of this unedited podcast type format, but they clearly understand and admire what they're talking about.
I really enjoyed this discussion of a place & piece I know so well - I've had the entire citadel & museum to myself & 2 friends one rainy afternoon in February,it was wonderful.
I have been there and actually touched the walls underneath The Lion Gate.
as a Student studying Architectural, I found this very helpful and to the point.
Thanks!
I adore these guys and this channel. Superb. Fantastic. Unique.
So much unexpected beauty in this video: the Minoan column, the Lion Hunt Dagger, etc. I also enjoyed hearing all the conjectures - maybe we'll know more someday.
Interesting fact: The weight of the lintel stone is 11 metric tons /11000 kg / 24250 lbs. Also my modern Rorschach interpretation of the "altars" is two metal I beams one next to the other
What an impressive and beautiful place. I bet it was even more impressive in its hey-day.
Went there on my first trip abroad in 1986 - still one of my favourite places.
Our tutors actually showed us this video in our lectures and it's very informative
Was here many years ago. I want to see it again!
I want to go there too! Lets go!
*Eris Discord +*
Probably the two lions of the gate symbolize the two royal Houses - Thiestes and Atreus- who ruled Mycenae alternately.
Fascinating and beautiful!
Perfectly illustrated!
I was there yesterday....its really interesting.
You're so lucky God loves you
There are contemporary and earlier Mycenean signet rings with similar heraldic positions, so it is probably a heraldic pose of 2 lions (or griffins, or sphinxes).
If the altars they are stepping on are actually inspired from Minoan libation / offerings tables, and each one does have the shape of a labrys on its side, it could represent the conquest of Minoan lands by the Myceneans, which might have happened in the 15th c. BCE. Knossos was occupied by Myceneans after that in any case, with other Minoan palatial sites being burned and abandoned.
Evans thought that the pillar had religious connotations, although it seems hard to discern if it is an object which carries some cultural symbolism or if it is an aesthetically pleasing architectural element.
Man it would be a dream come true to have money to travel and see these places man
So much I didn’t know. Thanks
Been there, was very ill but it was my hope. Dragged myself to the gate, touched the walls and went back. Returning soon.
Hope you are feeling better.
@@smarthistory-art-history heading back to Greece.
if lions/big cats represented nobility and power in Mycenaean Greece as they do today then putting them on your city gate could be something similar to a showing of strength
Mycenae was the home of the house Atreides, whose one member at some point was Agamemnon. Yes, it did shown power at the time, and the power of Mycenae was big for a long time
The Mycenae lion gate is very reminiscent of the lion gate at Hattusa. In my opinion, It seems as the Mycenaeans may have also been influenced by Hittite symbolism and architectural forms.
I'm playing assassin's Creed odiyssi and I'm taking the tour and I'm standing at the gate so I thought to search in TH-cam to c if it was still standing and wow it is this game historical tour is AMAZING everyone should try it I think it's free on Xbox and ps5
I always wonder if they brought the stone back from Crete.
Interesting how the lion stone appears to be cut near the base.Wonder how they did that :-)
Nice video. Anyone have any theories of why block at the top of the pillar with the four circular relief objects is placed somewhat to the right of centre? Could the heads of the lions have been not symmetrical, with the one on the right twisted to the front and the one on the left pointing to the right? The space for the head of the left lion is much bigger than the space for that on the right. The level of accurate detail of the lions' bodies suggests the offset positioning of the block was deliberate.
Have you ever heard about the mummy of Agamemnon?
Thank you 😊
It's interesting to see the similar earthquake resistant building style that the Inca used a couple of thousand years later.
anyone else notice when he says "we are completely unprotected... it would be easy to rain arrows, spears, anything," and then she replies, "yes, I would have felt very safe"
i want to recreate this gate in front of my humble cottage
Also used as one of several pieces of archeological evidence to substantiate the claim that the works of Homer were based on an historical "core" of truth.
See: Heinrich Schliemann
...to use the metaphor of St. Augustine, the generation of knowledge requires another cause: "Whatever object we know is a co-factor in the generation of the knowledge of it. For knowledge is begotten both by the knowing subject and the known object" (De Trinitate, IX, xii). from Dubray, Charles. "Knowledge." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 8. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 2 Nov. 2017 . retrived 2nd Nov 2017. See Also. Unknown. A funeral stele found on Grave Circle A, Mycenae, 16th century BC. Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0 retrived Nov. 2017 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_Circle_A,_Mycenae#/media/File:Stele_of_Grave_Circle_A_Mycenae.jpg from Grave Circle A, Mycenae. Wikipedia Encyclopedia. internet site
What happened to the lion heads?
A lot of things can happen in 3,300 years.
Should this be called Greek?
Yes. Myceneans spoke Greek. its confirmed since we can read Linear B now.
Of course. Mycenaean greek is the oldest attestation of the language.
If the romans can ve called Italians surely they can
Some speculate that at the time Ichor was still powerfully in those people so you could say they were Elohim
😒🦁 But the Big Cats won't be back for a while, and the Ecological Non-profit organization like the Mykinaïkó Ieró Liontarión is starting to Come soon and the Lions will come back soon in 2025.
3:30 third is in doric style.
GATOR ANTHROPOLOGY!
Once again the narration is so moving, so vivid that it's TOO GOOD. I'm like, 'I bet the Minoan/Mycaneans who left this legacy to be deciphered by these two narrators are vindicated in time and space, heralded by these narraters.' Oh yeah, you're like, that's good, but meanwhile, I've lost my place in the content entirely, and now I'm back to my fifteenth view, I'll be equally as enthralled, edge of my seat, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, agreeing with everything your saying, wow the tempo, wow the knowledge, oh, wait, what were they talking about?
lolololololol.
Rewind!