Does Heeramandi Get Everything Wrong Or Is There Any Saving Grace? | Spoiler Alert
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Im sorry malika jaan was the most memorable part of the series idk what u all are on about manishas performance was brilliant
Agreed
I disagree. I think Manisha Koirala was amazing as Mallikajaan. Hers was the strongest performance, and she literally carried the show. Other characters fell flat somehow.
SLB is not known for realistic anything..... Devdas' set looks nothing like a village in Bengal, Gangubai sets are grand and look nothing like the actual Kamathipura, Bajirao Mastani's set looks nothing like the actual Shanivarwada (according to historians Bajirao Peshwa made it a point to keep it modest) I don't think Heeramandi was ever intended to look like the real Heeramandi. I agree, they should have worked on the character development but I have had this complaint with almost all SLB projects post Black.
Yes very rightly pointed out
He’s very grandeur loving director nothing real
I haven't seen the series, but it didn't look that grand to me? More of a drab, grayish touch. Like a dead Lahore, though it is and was anything but.
you have put it all exactly as I would.
Complaint?! When he told you or promised he would make a documentary on heera mandi?!
But they are delicious to watch! I watch them as a guilty pleasure taking off my critic hat!😸!
It was not independent india flag.please read history. There was charkha not chakra in the middle., in 1931, a seven-member flag committee was established in Karachi to modify the flag and they had given a new design.
Then what about mentioning 15th August? And there was no mention of Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah or Iqbal ir Pakistan. Are you telling me that a few years before independence no one would’ve mentioned Pakistan in Lahore?
Please stop trying to cover it its just embarrassing. This show very CLEARLY and very INTENTLY disregarded the Pakistan movement. The creators were biased and chose to rewrite history just to make a point that Pakistan is irrelevant to the subcontinent, when the story itself is based in Pakistan smh. Poor.
You guys are very concerned about getting right actors who can speak the urdu or punjabi language . However, you both defended Mahira khan like anything in Maula Jatt, where she completely did a disservice to this punjabi character and language
How come you both have completely overlooked Richa Chadha as Lajjo? She was the only character who you felt sorry for.
Because this review is not very logical and reasonable. Generally these two are quite reasonable but since bansali used the word lahore , most of the pakistani artist and these critics have a huge problem with this. They forgot to enjoy the series !!
@@amibatth no, the review is logical. The storytelling of the show sucks.
Storytelling is vert weak, but Richa’s acting was fantastic. Her dance performance was mind blowing
I'm surprised you didn't mention 'Ustaadji' played by Indaresh Malik. He delivered a great performance.
I agree with you.. The performance was very impactful.
What idiocy!! Heeramandi is not a documentary..........uffffffffff people who have not made even a pen are poking fingers at others.......ufffffffffffffff
So true 😂.
It's a review. Hence their opinion.
100% Realistc review….Pakistan is way ahead of in writing, directing, acting for TV series…. You are pissed because all you have is BIG BUDGET nothing else. Bollywood movies are full of crap.
@@lootnlootohhh really???
Why Pakistanis are obsessed with Indian movies ,Indian songs,Indian actors
Pakistani industry should make one movie like this then you Pakistani dare to come and say shit ...
You all have grown up watching Indian movies only ..you will watch and then criticize waah
So true
You don't have any movie who you can show proudly to the world yet dare to come and shit about Indian movies and talent
You guys copies India in your dramas ,awards even shows pattern..
I beg to disagree. I really found the series great and it gave a beautiful message of how women want liberation like the citizens want liberation from the British. Also the last scene was beautiful and even the song
They failed to understand that is a story about liberation from oppression in the broader sense of the word. Focusing on any religion, culture, city or state in the review is the wrong take in my opinion.
@@AdilAzharKhanexactly..
Alamzeb was so disappointing ohmygod the actor who did Tajdar was sooo good the expressions everything he spoke with his eyes but this Sharmin sehgal ohmygod such a disaster like a piece of wood how did slb not say anything like nepotism at its peak
lahore was important base for Indian freedom struggle and Jinnah was not the face of freedom movement, the first Indian flag was raised in Lahore during freedom movement by Nehru and a lahori would not take his name???secondly do you even know about Bhagat Sing and how many unites of freedom fighters was secretly operating in Lahore
Too much to expect from them.And yes they don't know about Bhagat Singh,as they have read their own pirated version.
I agree. Just like people who came from India to Pakistan, were campaigning for Pakistan right?! Just like that people living in Lahore would have been campaigning for India? Whats wrong with that? Completely justified
@@MariamLary its much more than that,nobody leave thier land to become a refugee unless they are forced to or unless you are well to do,but very few percentage of people would have the luxery to move to different land and built new home,these entire "campaigning" were for political workers and people with vested interest, no common lay person would want their land ,thier home vanished
So u guys r disappointed with their urdu,panjabi😂.the same thing happend with me while i watched jo bichar gaye .what a horrible bengali was spoken by wahaj ali.not even 1 word i was able to understand.they should hv simply go for their own language instead of speak in bengali.i was so pissed of his language that i had to stop watching
Massive respect to you for saying this out loud! Bengali language is such a meethi bhasha but was absolutely butchered in Jo Bichar Gaye and I dont know how some bengalis didnt have a problem with it.
Agreed but here there are many other issues related to the depiction of streets, shops and many other things
Omg yesss finally someone said this! Throughout this review the only thing I kept on thinking was how Jo Bichar Gaye, which is apparently a critically acclaimed series had such bad bengali lol. Im a huge admirer of pak dramas but honestly here I would even give Alia’s broken one two words in Bangla in Rocky Rani more credit than team Jo Bichar Gayes lazy attempt of trying to show a bengali character. I dont
Know who didnt have a problem with it but nearly everyone around me who mind you are heavy consumers of pak drama and even are wahaj ali fans, could not sit through even one episode of JBG sadly. Rumi being a bengali boy, fighting for freedom, couldnt even say ‘Joy Bangla’ correctly 😂
@@nasihanadeem6894 yea here only this much pblm they made a big issues.i know wahaj as a actor he did good but the history of Bangladesh also missleaded& Bangladesh is the only country who fought for their language bangla .so it was so disappointment for me .but the same critics was so happy with jo bichar gaye they praised for his good try which is 100% failed.i would just suggest the other cast spoke in urdu in jo bichar gaye then why he need to speak in bengali where he 100% failed he could hv just simply go for urdu just like other cast even if u r fan of him i dont think any Bangali can watch it except his blind fan
Even though Wahaj was coached by bengalis for the drama according to the reels I’ve seen where he mentioned this and shows gratitude to his Bengali fans too who also assisted him in this regard!
Respectfully disagreeing with your rather harsh review . High points ( for me as a viewer ) The sets were stunning and so what if SLB has done superb sets before …let’s appreciate the nuanced and exquisite details of This set . The actors and their Urdu pronunciation is for Indian non Urdu speaking audiences ( we couldn’t really tell if it was wanting and we could Comprehend it ) …I believe there were dialogue coaches and the actors tried hard to get it right acc to the interviews they gave . Urdu wasn’t t their first or second language let’s not forget . In an 8 part series every actor cant give brilliant performances…Sonakshi and Aditi , Taha and even Richa Chaddha were fab imo . The music and songs were beautiful….in a web series you will never find A memorable song ….the formula is simply different . The music blended with the aesthetic of the movie v nicely …
The best part for me was the portrayal of strong women ..every one of the female characters …so even if the reviewers feel the story , setting, historical authenticity etc etc aren’t up to the mark….cant deny that the makers of this series have given the audiences so many compelling female characters
Overall it was a fantastic watch …the audience doesn’t pick apart every nuance or fault of any production..it’s all about what you feel when you’re watching and after you have watched it . For me…felt entertained thoroughly and a tad proud that we in India have directors , d o p s , actors , set designers, costume designers , script writers etc etc etc who can deliver an aesthetic and scale of production as this . Well done team Heeramandi 😊
Right 😊
What would you say about Maula jatt? Which Punjab did it show? Love your content but sorry to say that this is sheer hypocrisy.
Maula jatt was fiction, not attributed to a real place or people
@@aamirafatima4225 exactly! I don’t know why Indians get so butthurt claiming everything as theirs as if India existed back then.
@@aamirafatima4225it was written that this also friction but they can make a little change atleast it look like I am watching sufi and weird urdu performance in all 8 episode. They should speak punjabi.
@@user-sn5yj1zr2q why would they speak Punjabi?
@@AdilAzharKhanBecause it's Lahore which is in Punjab I suppose
so guys...yours is probably the only pak. show on content that I watch...appreciated it! you guys are spot on and pick on significant topics discursively. Now, for the first time, after watching this review of yours for Heeramandi, I have comments / suggestion / feedback for you :
1) yes, it was good you reviewed the full series together! Would not have made sense to review episodes separately.
2) yes, your views are noted, and agreed to a great extent...
3) now the BUT -- your voice and tone may have been a little less critical had you not been in a position where you watch such a series in one go...within 24 hours...and then sat down to review it as well, in that span of time...sorry guys, thora injustice ho gaya hai...
4) series was intense for a full-on 8-episodes' watch in one go. I saw it in 2-parts...and at the end, was moved to go back to check on epi. 2 for story consistency...and felt it quite attractive. Story-telling and characters were strong!
5) why judge the entire cast to be the B-graders in terms of actors...that was very harsh!
6) Amna mentioned this was fantasy-fiction...that is what your overall review missed upon. Along with the name Heeramandi, the sub-title was The Diamond Bazaar...which brings forth the sense of sparkle - chamak - sparkle! It was an exaggerated, out of the world show of dazzle, grandeur in fantasy fiction, OTT platform. Nothing to do with depicting Lahore...and its past...and nothing to do with Pak. dramas...I get it...I get the correlation and comparison to the process of Jackson Heights, but to me, that was unnecessary guys....
7) you ruin it by comparing it with SLB movies...format was different and kudos to him for that!
probably the longest comment I've ever written online...I'll stop here :)
Keep it up!
Well thought out response. Absolutely agree!
the diamond bazaar is actually the literal translation of heeramandi
I disagree with Amna. Manisha’s performance was outstanding
But imagine, if Madhuri or Rekha would be as Malikajaan.. How perfect they are in their craft.. We all expect some extra ordinary from SLB..
Sorry to say completely disagree with Hassan .whats wrong with creative liberty ? And this is pre partition India so Hassan has no right to say they have any claim to Lahore etc
Hira mandi pre partition ma bhi itni hi Thi jitni abhi ha 4 5 gunnah bari karna ki Kya zarorat Thi 😂
Firstly all slb’s work is hyper stylised. Series is set in 1920s-40 Lahore. There was no Pakistan. They fought for the freedom of india. Bhagat Singh was also from Lahore btw
Jinnah was popular in the Aligarh belt. Lahore ending up in Pakistan and Amritsar ending up in India was the result of a coin toss by the British. No one in those two places had any say so in the matter. Their admiration or lack thereof for Gandhi, Nehru or Jinnah had nothing to do with who they now supposed to revere.
There was no India as well.
They don't know about Bhagat Singh. They call him terrorist.So, what are you trying to teach them? It's a waste of time.
@@luzvez have you ever read or ever heard about a book .. called A Passage to India written by E.M Forster in 1924....the present Indian subcontinent was called India Always ...Ever heard about Colombus .? He wanted to find India ...but reached North America instead.. you cannot change history .. Indian subcontinent was always called India!!
@@neenachandra7968 it was called Indian SUBCONTINENT, not India. Now go argue with a wall.
I agree with Aamna's Pov but hasan on other hand was doing a little gatekeeping he forgot it's fictional series...yes it was ok ...one time watch type but around half video Hasan complained as if it was documentary which it wasn't it is a pure fictional story like any other series .
Yeah hasan was taking it personally as if somebody tarnished the image of heeramandi in lahore !!! Nobody knew what heeramandi is outside pakistan. Hasan is like ' how dare you 😂😂
Hi Hasan & Aamna- just a small correction. You mentioned multiple times during your review that the story is set in 40s but it was actually in the 20s. That’s why it was the Indian flag and no talk about Pakistan. In 20s the main focus was independence and not creation of 2 countries.
Nope ..Quit India movement was mentioned and it was 1942..From Manisha youth to Alam it spans from 1920-45
It wasn't India. It was called the Subcontinent.
Series opens in 1920s when Manisha’s character gives birth to her son. By the time Manisha becomes Huzoor over 20 years have easily passed; we even see her son getting married who looks he’s in his mid 20s
- Hassan
@@luzvez pre 15th Aug 1947 current day India Pakistan and Bangladesh was one country called India not “subcontinent”. Subcontinent word is now used to to de mark a geographical area that is very similar culturally, geographically etc.
@@var.sri1710 still not India. there was no india or Pakistan or bangladesh. It was called Subcontinent.
So according to your logic, India didn't exist as well. It's the story from Subcontinent Mughal era & Pakistan has deep roots to the history, language & culture of that era!
Lol not Hassan saying "I don't mean to be disrespectful....", and "with all due respect.." and proceeding to trash it all! 😂 Love it!
It was not indian flag...before partition congress flag was d same ...in the centre there was a spinning wheel called charkha .
pre independence Congress ke baare me inko padhaya gya hota tab to kuch pta chlta inko 😂
I think SLB took inspiration from Pakeezah for the setting. Even in Pakeezah they show a smaller kotha in relatively narrow street in the beginning of the film. It's only when the ladies move out and get their own place, that they show the grandeur of a castle.
Poory review main urdu ki ghalatiyan nikaal kar end main Sanjeeda ka naam ghalat bol diya 😭😭 Typical pyaaray Hassan.
Hi Hassan and Aamna, really was looking forward to your review on heeramandi, really nice review but utterly disappointed by the lack of understanding in comments section..
First and foremost, urdu WAS the language of majority of muslim population in sub-continent at that time, it was the language of nawabs. If they wanted to show a muslim majority area, the attention should have been given to it regardless of the era it depicts.
Secondly, alot of indians saying that because it was pre independance, why mention Jinnah? Just wanted to ask….was Jinnah born after independance and had no role in the politics at that time? If you were to show Lahore and freedom fighters, then either skip all names or take all names? Why did they mention gandhi and nehru ay first place? Just avoid it… or if you were to take names then take Jinnah’s name too.
Lastly, maula jatt is set in an imaginary place in punjab, heeramandi was/is not an imaginary place…
Agree. Specially being a big banner with mulit cast they could have sent people abroad or invite them to give feed back. Some director send crews or the actors to get the actual feeling of the place and culture. There can't be another Umrao Jaan than Rekha
@@anuvaid6457 yes and i think the disappointment is more because it is SLB who is known for his attention to detail. If it was made by someone else i dont think people would have reacted this way!
The reason nehru was mentioned in context of Tajdar who came from vilaayat, just like Nehru. SLB was definitely thinking about this from an artistic angle, not from a political one.
Same reason for the Indian flag. There was no reason to mention Pakistan or Pakistani flag.
Nonetheless, it was a one time good watch
@@kkirti2 FYI Jinnah also came from vilaayat, and was a barrister just like Tajdar who was a lawyer, and Tajdar is shown to be a muslim so it would make way more sense to take Jinnah’s name instead of Nehru, but if SLB was truly thinking of artistic angle, all names could have been avoided and it could strictly remain artistic!
Secondly, you are showing indian flag on 15th Aug in Lahore who became a part of Pakistan a day before on 14th Aug, does this make sense to you for real?!!!
@zeniakhan1095 agree with jinnah point. I didn't know his background. Seems like an oversight or probably wasn't mentioned as jinnah is not looked upon as a freedom fighter in India - SLB knows best what he was thinking.
I don't think the flag was shown in the light of 15 Aug. The timeline was 1920s to 1940s but didn't not reach the point of independence in 1947.
Hey H&A! I watch your show regularly and really look forward to your reviews! But I have a few points on this one - while I agree 1000% with the points about diction and performances - but I feel like wrt the historic POV I feel like you guys reviewed it with a very myopic POV - instead of finding so many faults related to historic facts, you would have enjoyed more if you would kept that aside. SLB sets and production is grand and is barely realistic … it’s just about enjoying the performance and grandiose 😊
Exactly. I don't think anyone expected an authentic Bengali experience when they watched ‘Jo Bichar Gaye’, so why expect Lahori culture to be on full display here?
You people have been to Heeramandi in Lahore and that's why you didn't find it to authentic and thought it to be his weakest project..
But the thing SLB has never been authentic , the movies of him that you gave example of in Bajirao Mastani so many Marathi lapses were there + shanivarvada was nothing like original shanivarvada same with Gangubai Kathiawadi , the Kamathipura set was way more grand and bigger than what actually kamathipura is..
Nor the village in Devdas looked like a Bengali village..
So SLB did what he does in his other projects also it's just that this time it was Lahore so you people noticed it..
SLB has never been authentic to history , atmosphere etc. Just like Jodha Akbar he has been making firey love stories / Love triangles in grand sets..
That's it.
Exactly,,, they r pointing it out bcoz it's set in Lahore,, Moreover SLB never said that he is making a documentary... He made it for entertainment purpose and the story is set in Lahore pre partition era
It’s coming smell of jealousy… movies is always fiction why you people take seriously on heart .. it’s 1920 story that time no Pakistan…
I agree. They are behaving as if they owned heera mandi in those times. No they didn't!! It was part of hindustan. Hasan's review is political
But this was in fiction. It was a story told about a real place in Lahore.
Lol why would they jealous? You’re just so pressed Pakistanis didn’t like somehting made in India. So don’t watch Pakistani reviews then? Go find some Indian reviews to watch. There’s a thing called free speech and they are entitled to their own opinion.
In maula jatt what rabbish punjabi spoken by mahira even she don’t speak Urdu properly …Manisha done superb job in it… actually Pakistani can’t tolerate heeramandi made by Indian great SLB … bcoz Lahore is part of Pakistan now … they people specially lollywood spreading negative propaganda of heeramandi …it’s a Pre planned
I follow all Indian reviews anmol jamwal quint lallantop film companion .even not a single Indian publication has praised this work of Sanjay Leela bhansali .I m big fan of devdas.abve all the series lack a good story ...
Secondly.. I have watched this Heeramandi series and all actors have acted exceptionally, especially Manisha Koirala with her Mallikajan role. So, pls don't reveal your hatred here because we take Pakistanis and their intellect for granted and rightly so..
So don’t watch Pakistani reviews then? Go find some Indian reviews to watch. There’s a thing called free speech and they are entitled to their own opinion.
Guys if you both think this serial is so wanting please get one your directors to produce your own version and then let’s truly compare
This is a Netflix serial not a film which is for the big frame
I don’t think both of you are completely unbiased I am sorry respectfully
Ohhh bhai there were no phajjay k paye in pre-partition lahore 🙏
May be ... May be not Because as of my knowledge they are toooo purany
Hasan, this was before 1947. Minar Pakistan construction started in late 1950s.
Ok yes I stand corrected
- Hassan
Hi hassan Sanjey leela bhansali only wants to sell his series in the name of HEERMANDI !! Thats why he cannot make it as any fictional area ...
Hi hassan Sanjey leela bhansali only wants to sell his series in the name of HEERMANDI !! Thats why he cannot make it as any fictional area ...
#Heeramandi 2. No mention of historic places in Lahore such as Shahi mosque or Ravi river. Hera Mandi is next to Shahi mosque
Completely agree with Hassan and Aamna, this was sadly a lost opportunity to make something more relevant and memorable other than just grand sets sadly, and they look like cold sets, the muhalla vibe is completely absent
I don't know if Aamina n Hasan @somethinghaute know but Aditi Rao hydari comes from a Royal family... hence that elegance and poise comes naturally.. but yeah agree the lack of expressions make everything fall flat!!!
heeramandi was far better than the dogshit we see on everyday tv. Hassan you should understand that HM is a fictitious and itni creative liberty banti hai. HM if not story but I feel it was performance driven, yes Alamzeb falls short but the rest from Sonakshi to Manisha to Sanjeeda i think they did a fantastic job. You guys were too hard in the review. Flaws hain but itnay nahi k the whole series was bad.
They were hard on for all the right reasons. It's a Sanjay Leela Bansali movie for god sake! you don't expect such mistakes from him. A better research would have made this a great series, beyond the grand sets and a heavy starcast.
Agreed 👍
This! They give seemingly glowing reviews to mediocre Geo and HUM series and nitpick one of the best productions from the subcontinent. I would even challenge HUM, Geo and others to step up and tell the story of Heera Mandi 'authentically' Lahori. We should applaud SLB for shining a light on a the story of the tawaifs and putting Heera Mandi on the mind of a global audience.
Ture but the point is HM isn’t fictitious at all but based on a place that existed. So to chalk it up as oh he did a good job but not meeting the background behind seems lazy l. Especially for a Director who put millions of dollars in the project and comparing it to small time dramas on TV is ridiculous. I actually thought the same things mentioned in this review having just visited lahore the whole set of the series was ridiculous. It seems like a Mahal more then a street
Yesss!!!! So correct
Reviewing it like a documentary speaks volumes about the calibre of these reviewers...
Since this is Lahore, it immediately triggered your senses that this isn’t anything close to real. But SLB does this all the time, as someone from Mumbai, Gangubai was awful experience for me it was so outlandish, hadd hoti h yar! I get your points but this was expected from SLB
But hassan i think if nawabs were visiting heeramandi , then i think those places would have been grand not to the extent what is shown in series but it would have been grand . And i do agree plot was ridiculous . What they did in the last was stupid . But i think hassan it was pre independence there was no pakistan , this partition thing started happening in the last years of independence .
Hi Amna and Hassan . I have always enjoyed your reviews and understanding of certain topics however this by far has been the most dissappointing review I have seen since you two started and I am commenting for the first time because I am so let down.
If you were to watch a show with the thought in mind what the director had earlier said about casting before watching the show then you should have not watched it but if you did plan to watch it - you gotta go in neutral. You can't expect all characters to be portrayed like what they have been portrayed in the past like Umrao-jaan etc. I wonder you guys complain all the time of how there is nothing new , they keep repeating same thing yet when they do try something new - even then it is criticized. Even all courtesans/tawaifs didn't have the same attitude, personalities etc.
Now if you have watched the show : it is mainly made on the concept : Heera Mandi (now- red light district) which was once the famed Shahi Mohalla that was dazzling with culture, courtship and the music and dance, this is where the courtesans lived. Women with financial and social autonomy, who were adept at and respected for classical music, dance, literature, politics etc - They were powerful as hell . Later when British came - it became more of a sex worker type of thing.
I am surprised you think a GIGANTIC DIRECTOR like SLB would be so careless esp if he has been preparing for 20 years.Yes there are flaws and it did get slow in between . There could be improvements for sure but overall it was absolute paisa wasool. A good show is that does not leave you for sometime once you are done with it, leaves an impact and this show definitely does that to you.
Acting wise : please don't bring comparisons. Manisha koraila owned it : her performance was fabulous. Sonakshi since also did her part 100%. Could not imagine anyone else doing her role. Aditi, sangheeta, Tajdar , satto, bhatto, Lajjo, saima , iqbal, ustad ji , Cartwright - they were all amazing in their roles. About Alamzeb : I am not sure - I did see the innocence/stupidity in her eyes and purity though her act , but yeah maybe more emotions and all could have helped. A man (SLB)who has access to any actor in the world maybe could have done better. But please if anyone says that they could have used a prettier Alamzeb than that is horrible. I see all commenting about body, color shaming etc etc but when it comes to this - people forget.
totally agree with what you said
A genuine review
I don't blame them for having a negative opinion, because it's their opinion and they have the right to say what they want. But I'm just really disappointed in their explanation, their general attitude towards SLB and the cast, but also having contradictory opinions that make little sense.
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@@MysticSage-hg3jh this is not true at all and quite frankly pretty insulting. Please don’t politicise this discussion. This has nothing to do with ethnicity, nationality, religion etc.
I agree about this criticism on heeramandi. As a Sikh from India Punjab with roots in Lahore, it was a massive let down and disappointment.
You were obviously born in Lahore ? Chill man
Guys, save your time and do watch the movie called 'Manjummel boyz'. It's mind blowing and is an emotional rollercoaster
Hi Hasan sir and Aamna ma'am , your reviews are really great, its difficult these days to find critics who is actually critically evaluating a show based on fact and not with the aim of pleasing people in power in the industry. Keep going 😊. I don't know the reasons, but the fact of matter is Bollywood is not making movies and shows based on reality. I feel South Indian industry is performing much better.
Watching the video, haven’t finished. Did anyone notice the Urdu newspaper Fareedan was holding with broken up Urdu letters not actual Urdu
It's for indian audience by india director on pre partition india.We dont claim anything
So it shouldn't be on netflix.
So it shouldnot be about our area with Muslim majority even back then
@@hinasiddiqui6011 that was india and people that time were indiam
@@hinasiddiqui6011it was not only your area. There was no seperation before. Anyone traveling from Lahore to Amritsar wouldn't have felt like they're traveling to some other country.
Thank you Aamna, for saying everything you said about the Tallafuz because I was really irritated because of the pronunciation of Kh and some Urdu words. Also, you're absolutely right about the Badshahi Masjid part.
Same way we also felt irritated with mahira khans tallafuz in raees.. Sajals in mom.. fawad khan in khoobsurat.. they came to India and still didn’t learn Indian lehza.. heeramandi was never meant to cater Pakistani audiences.. nor was it Pakistani film.. India’s lehza is very different. And they did fine with it.
@@JustJuveeee it's set in lahore so they should have worked on it. Both urdu and punjabi was weak
@@mxhsvn_b7866 even if it's set in lahore it wasn't made for lahore it was made for Indian audience specifically... Same way fawad Khan khoobsurat was made for Indian audie and story was based of Rajasthan.. did he work on marwadi dialect.. come to India and hear out how madwadi speak.. fawad Khan's lehza was nothing but pakistani.. Same with Mahira Khan's raees.. story was based on ahemdabad region..did she learn gujrati dialect.. as a Gujarati Muslim myself her acting was worth of puking.... Before giving Vishesh tipni on Bollywood actors first take a look at lollywood actors.
Pls consider the fact that it was set in pre independence era there was no pakistan at that time so how come there will be a pakistani flag
Pakistan came in existence after independence which is 1947
Rewatch what I said
- Hassan
Lekin qarardad 1940 ko manzoor ho gye thi..agar flags nhe the lekin pakistan ka nam to mojud tha to km az km pakistan ka nam le skte the..k pata chalta k azadi ki tehreek chal rhi thi
We no that but even before Lahore was not like this
Still the series is trending at No. 1 in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Saudi Arabia, Oman and at No. 5 in the UK. There is something about the series which the audience wants to watch. Understand your frustrations but this is not a history class.
This is a Regressive Channel
They think they become progressive by keeping a French Name for their Channel 😂
@@MysticSage-hg3jh how are they regressive by pointing out factual errors😂😂😂😂
Hasan is just feeling possessive about Lahore forgetting that it was a part of pre partition India and many present day Indians have Lahori ancestry, hence have claim!! Bad taste review!
He and Amanda are 100% correct in their comments and critic. The producer need to see these Pakistani reviews and think fifty million times before he show any HISTRY movie….
VERY REALISTIC REVIEW…
You missed out on Ustadji. Played by Indresh Malik, he was brilliant
Guys you have been unnecessarily harsh, it was never supposed to be the actual depiction of Lahore ki Heeramandi. It was just an idea based on fantasy and fiction. For your kind information SLB doesnt make documentaries 😂. I think all the cast did a fairly good job except for Sharmeem Saigol and I never noticed any pronunciation mistakes may be they werent that bad to get my attention 🤔. It is a SLB production so dont think it will be close to reality. The only thing is that they shouldnt have brought the revolution thing in the story. It would have been better if they have continued the rivalry and revenge aspect and ended on it instead. Taha Shah as Tajdar was good too as you failed to mention him. Definitely a star in the making. At least this was better than the stupid Ishq Murshid which has no connection what so ever between the scenes and has ended on a stupid note 😂
💯 agree ishq murshid was a total mess don't even know how people watch that crap till last and these people loved that slow illogical boring show like the team has paid them 😂🤷🏻♂️
Pakistan flag was designed on 11th August 1947 so just 3 days before, so doesn’t make sense to show Pakistan flag tbh.
Further Indian flag was always known to represent the muslim by green colour so I think its fine if they didn’t use Pakistan flag in pre-independence considering film was about early 40s.
do you forget the 1940 famous jalsa of lahore manto park where muslims passed a resolution for a seperate homeland and the park was not far from heeramandi , just 3 streets away .
@@user-qb2yl2wb7k how is that relevant to the flag?
Because there the flag have been seen with chaand taara madam in 1940 jaalsa
Contrary to popular opinion, I found Heeramandi to be a rather good watch!
Among the performances, my favorites were by Sanjeeda Sheikh, followed by Manisha and Sonakshi, and then Aditi and Ustaad G (don't know the actor's name). However, the portrayal of Alamzeb by Sharmeen was the weakest and most disappointing. Considering the significance of the character, the subpar performance was a big letdown. Maybe if they had cast someone else, the show would've been much better.
I sense a ton of jealousy. FYI there was no Pakistan in existence at that time. This is pre independence India. Indian directors are very capable of producing something so grand and exquisite at such a opulent scale. The actresses were gorgeous did a great job their Urdu was just fine. Please digest this
nah urdu war pretty bad
*was
I strongly agree with hassan that theory is what I had thought about the depiction of story telling and the actual history of heeramandi in Lahore
Two SLB projects Hum Dil de chuke and Devdas are forever. Stories scenes and acting wow!! Last scene of Devdas will make any body cry when Paro runs to the gate and the wedding song. Every word of the song depicted how much they loved each other❤️
Guys it doesn’t matter who makes it, what matters is who makes it GREAT.
Sad to see soo much hate sanjay leela bhansali is getting for making heeramandi based in lahore. Hasan is so bitter like many other pakistanis. Nobody knew about heera mandi befire this movie outside pakistan!!!
SLB shouldnt have made this series!! Amnaa was little reasonable in her criticism but hasan is outrightly biased and bitter!! how dare sanjay made this seroes on lahore type of disliking from hasan !! Bichar gaye had a bad depiction of begali laguage. But that was okay with you guys !! I understand it is not one of the best series but you guys are behaving as if it was criminal to make this series. Ushna shah have a problem too.!! Very sad
Seriously
I agree, I am born and raised in walled city, Lahore and personally lived in old colonial era Haveli; this series is amazing and as I said in my separate comment, Hasan needs ' sensitivity training'. There is something called being sensitive in your criticism- you are making a livelihood by ridiculing a piece of art! I call you out Hasan on your insensitive criticism and you should apologize. Thanks.
@talhariaz240 you are spot on. He is criticizing this series as if it was a documentary !! Hasan is very bitter
+1... I am shocked with his comments!... especially his comment - "they made it political" ... as if all SLB does is to think what shld my next move be to piss of politicians and Hassan!
lol😂😂😂
In 2003,Geo tv aired a drama Umrao jan ada,screen play by Zehra nigah,directed by Raana sheikh,it should be aired again or uploaded on youtube by its producer.
It was the most authentic dramatisation of the novel.
Aamna is absolutely right had you reviewed only three or four episodes I wouldn’t have even watched it couldn’t care less either do it all or don’t do at all there’s no point in doing half assedly anything either go all in or don’t go at all
I think it was good to be not shown as divided India, that would have caused additional controversies and was not needed to show one more side of rift other than the British. The movie purposes was not that. It was one india and hiramandi together in the end. I really loved hw revolutionary were both hindu muslim together. So though i like most of ur reviews, i hav a different pov here
Worst thing is the Daadi telling her pota to go to Heera Mandi!! That’s a very ma’ayub and miyaar se giri hoi baat. None of the respectable families did that. The idea that Mughal princes went to courtesans to learn aadaab is something different. Those were different women and only for Prince and the women of the house won’t talk about them so openly and didn’t encourage their own sons to go there. It was a dhaka chupa fact. Shareef women did not talk like that and wanted their sons to go for nath utarwai
Ya sb pata hona k liya insaan ka nawab hona jruri h ...
You do not know history. Heeramandi used to be a cultural centre. It's like saying go to Hollywood to learn acting.
May I ask both hosts of this show that how qualifiIed are you both to be in a position to review HEERAMANDI? Do you understand classic Urdu and Urdu Tehzeeb. Sanjay Leela Bansali has done a great job in coming up with such a series with granduer. Can Pakistan produce such a grand series . It is so easy to sit in a a beaten down small room and pick other's faults. Stop the cheap gossip and appreciate good work.
Im always confused with reviews cux we give dramas like isha murdhid liberty oh its romance when its dogshit fantasy while heeramandi is being torn apart by critics is still what i would consider art rather than a production for milking money its still love letter to those women and artistry of filmmaking no offence
I really want a review for "Queen of Tears" on something haute...
Yesssssssss
Loved your interview. I have no taste for the over the top, glitzy SLB films. After your review, even that smidgen of an interest in watching it has totally evaporated. So thank you 🙏😊
Urdu's entire Grammar is based on Sanskrit/Hindi 😊
Urdu is not a Language in Itself. Its a Combination of Other Languages or a Hybrid Language 😊
85 % of Urdu is Hindi/Sanskrit 😊
15 % of it is Turkish, Farsi and Arabic 😊
I am from Pakistan and you are right bro ... But we also have some original Urdu words.
But mostly it is just hindi language as you said. and some Turkic and Arabic and farsi words ...
Hmm i agree
so? The actors still couldn't pronounce the words properly😂😂😂
If that is so then you are definitely a pro in reading and understanding pure Urdu as it is based on Hindi per you and Ameer Khusro, Ghalib, Meer, Akbar Allah Badi, and other poet's work should be really understandable for you. Urdu is mainly derived from Farsi and Arabic which is why Urdu uses Perso-Arabic script and it makes reading the Quran really easy JFYI. then it borrowed about 25% of words from Turkish, English, Sanskrit, Hindi, and some other languages. Hindi is derived from Sanskrit. Pure Urdu and Pure Hindi are damn different even in listening and hard to understand. However, Easy Urdu (Salees Urdu) does exist and that's what Bollywood uses in Devanagari scripts and promoting URDU in Hindi packaging. For example let's take these common words like Mohabbat, Ulfat, Ishq, and Pyar. Mohabbat is a Persian word, Ulfat and Ishq are Arabic words where as Pyar is a only Hindi word. Mohabbat, Ulfat, and Ishq are not Hindi at all but are included in Urdu. But since it is a STUPID Aim to politically confuse Urdu as Hindi it may be right for many people to recognize them as Hindi but actually, its Urdu that they are listening and learning and damaging real Hindi somehow. Hope it may help you in correcting your percentage.
@@khittaykachoudhary2360 if Bollywood uses Urdu in Devanagari scripts, it does not make it Hindi at all. Urdu does not have SOME Arabic and Farsi words but it is derived mainly from those two languages and blends other languages like Turkish, English, Hindi, Sanskrit, and others. If it has this many Hindi words then you should not be able to read the Quran easily or recognize Arabic words. Khotay khana sa first milay tu yeh patta hoga na!
Pakistanis your past history is related with India which was your mother country, yours is a peculiar situation since if you go back in history, you have to deal with India which you do not like. So, understand why the Pakistanis who are nothing but converted Hindus or born to Mughal/Hindus are feeling so much insecure over their history. Have you ever acknowledged the freedom fighters of India who worked hard for its freedom because of which Jinnah got his own country.
we don't feel bad at all😂😂 we're just pointing out factual errors. When will Indians obsession with pakistan end
@@mxhsvn_b7866ohhh lol
Big joke of a century
Whole world knows who is obsessed with whom 😂😂😂
Hey! I didn’t mind the grand depiction of heeramandi since it was set in the 1920’s. The story on the other hand was next to nothing. It was a terrible watch hated it
I totally agree with your review. I was not able to complete the series. It seemed like a caricature and it really didn’t help that the acting performances were under par. Especially the Alam character uff.
I loved watching it personally. I think the sets and the whole setup looks similar to what we have seen about the tawaifs in those days. I don’t know anything about Heeramandi unfortunately I’ve never been to Lahore. We didn’t hear a lot of punjabi though …
#6. Fun fact about #Heeramandi. Role of Servant “Saima” is based on famous Pakistani singer Noorjehan who goes to Calcutta and becomes a famous singer.
Was NJ also a servant at a Heeramandi kotha prior to her singing career?
Ohh
@@suneetalva2997Noor Jehan lived in Heera Mandi for few years before moving to Calcutta where she started her singing and acting career. Most of Pakistani film actresses until 2000, were from Heera Mandi.
Also there's a scene where Manisha koiralas character says, her nawab ham Lahore ki tawaifon ko salam thokta hay... Salam thokna is a very Bombay type language. Considered ghair mohazib and ghair shaista in urdu speakers
Hi Hasan, Minar e Pakistan was built in 1960s
I agree with amna its good ur reviewing 8 eps together
Animal was not realistic either ...both heera mandi and animal are from their director's perspective.
animal is not real. Heeramandi is a real place
For color pallette why it was gray n misty dark bcuz it depicts the saddens darkness n grimness associated with heeramandi it has nothinv to do with Lahore n its weather .. Hassan zayda critical hogaye hain .. like amna said it was a good watch but not a great watch n its fine .. they tried its okay Story humari thee hum tou bana nhi sakhte ik mean censor board wont pass it but i am sure Qasim Ali mureed n Samrat khusat can tell a story like this but thats another debate .. accent obviously was a problem with most of the actors n punjabi shouldnt be there in the narrative bcuz people use to go to these ladies A bcuz of Urdu speaking n writing especially .. Lucknowi Urdu should be delivered by the cast members not even the workers
Started watching it with too much anticipation, but it kept falling short on everything. I binged watched it and felt let down especially the storyline. Despite, the short comings enjoyed Sonakshi Sinha & Aditi Rao Hyderi & the legend FARIDA JALAL.
Sanjay Leela Bhansali seems to have made this in a hurry. He's a meastro. I still remember the carving & design on the columns in Devdas, the dances, the music, the acting was great. So when as a viewer we talk about the shortcomings it's not as we have anything against the maker but just that you expect higher quality of execution.
Very accurate interview, not biased at all, SLB cinematography was very dark, star cast obviously not the best
Could have been A level. Loved your review.
For me i enjoyed the series sanjay exaggerated the spectacle kind of like how pre partitioned Heeramandi is spoken off like a folk it was not his best work but some elements hit really strong but the other elements were bore i like the fact that he paid a tribute to the twaif culture and women didnt care much about such small details
Hi Amna and Hassan I was watching your video you said that there should be written warnings about killings and violence in dramas I agree with you but sadly most of our dramas are ignoring it , I saw in one episode of drama Fana in very small writing in English “domestic violence is forbidden “ it was a good move but it should be in Urdu to make it understandable for everyone please could you discuss it in your next video thank you .
why have you guys stopped doing the side by side video? You started it for a while months ago but now you dont do it. I want to see both your reactions at the same time
I completely agree with you both they could have consultant and workshops for actors for the right pronounciation and of course better research team. Also I stopped watching Bhansali’s films long back as he now only focuses on sets, costumes , music etc. which overpowers the storytelling and direction in most of his recent projects. He should focus on storytelling and better research which he used to do in his initial projects.
No doubt the series was relief to your eyes with each and every single frame and i had completely loved the series...🇮🇳❤
the buildings are grand . the havelis are . there are sheesh mahals and frescos in common havelis too
Guys it was so beautifully done n visual treat n not to forget Richa chaddha ,loved everything about it
The part where she sat in the bride's seat was heartbreaking.
The FOOD point is so true! I mean that point hit home! Even Lucknow boasts of a very alive food scence even today even though the tawaif culture is no more!! Hey guys please recommend some similar tv shows and also where we could watch them!!
Mujhe to Cartwright achcha laga 😃 English man hone ke baad bhi uska talaffuz to sahi tha
😂 shabashe
Well I loved it. Brilliant acting sets story music. An absolute must watch especially as an ode to Pakeezah and Mughal e Azam. Some of the finest actresses portraying some of the most complex characters on TV. Well done team for this tour de force. Magnificent!
People complain that we don't get classical and historical stories from Bollywood and when we do, we complain endlessly about it. I hope you enjoy even more patriotic nonsense like Fighter, because that's what we'll get if we don't support content like Heermandi.
@AdilAzharKhan yes absolutely agree with you
Hi guys,
First of all, thanks a lot for your enlightening discussion/ critique of the Hiramandi series . You are absolutely right when say that the depiction of Hiramandi fell far short of expectations. Not enough research was done about a place that has both oral and written history, paintings and other artifacts of history still available to people. The film, unfortunately, is
ahistorical, no respect was shown to objectivity about a place that has rich tradition in a place which is truly Pakistan's cultural capital . For that matter, I think no bollywood film has ever shown objectivity in so far as the period pieces are concerned. For true historical, we need to watch master film maker Satyajit Ray's Satranj ki Khilari. Please watch it if you have not already. Thanks again for your your great discussion.
I feel that SLB's productions, and especially Heermandi, are graded on a curve where every single aspect is over-analysed to an excruciating level of detail. But perhaps that suits a man known for his attention to detail. I wonder if you'll ever see a Pakistani production of this story because it would most likely be a much watered down version considering the constraints that will be in place like budget and format. it would most likely never be approved for release by the censor board if it had the same subject matter and approach.
29:57 the urdu is fine it’s not supposed to be a lesson in linguistics. This narrative that non Pakistanis can’t make Urdu content is outright false and I don’t like the gatekeeping that is going on here. It’s not befitting of the channel in my opinion.
43:09 are you saying that Netflix had creative notes for “SLB”?
Amna & Hassan plz plz start reviewing 'Akbari Asghari' in Haute Classic.. You guys will love it
23:22 A section of bollywood has always played bias with Punjab and Punjabi artists... and it's sad
Question. Aren't Punjabis, like almost all other ethnicities in the subcontinent, an ethno-linguistic group? If the characters aren't going to speak Punjabi, what added value would there be in them being Punjabi?
Atleast there should be more songs in the series. At the end music is major part of these women' s life.
I am agree with all review,and main ne beach main chor dee,I can't bear it
Dear Amna and Hassan, I completely agree with your review of the series.In my opinion,they didn’t pronounce Urdu words correctly because it is not their language and they did not care.Probably did it on purpose Secondly,if I may say, Urdu pronunciation of many Pakistani actors in dramas is not less bad than what we heard in Indian series. Please remind our young actors,female actresses in particular to pronounce Urdu words correctly and stop saying galti instead of ghalti, qhab instead of khwab and so on.Thankyou ❤
Make your own Heeramandi guys, stop complaining. Even your actors like Neelum Muneer has no expression. Heeramandi casts were phenomenal
no need to do us vs them! also even though a lot of pakistani actors really do a terrible job 😂i really would not say the casting of heeramandi was good at all. two separate things
Wish you spoke about Richa Chadha’s portrayal of Lajjo, she was the most memorable for me from the series, despite her extremely short screen time. That last dance and her expressions just reminded me of the legendary Meena Kumari from Pakeezah
No it was her horrible acting.. Richa was looking so weird.. Not suitable
Lahore is Heeramandi 😊
And Heeramandi is Lahore 😊