2 solutions for Africa : 1. Stay in the western way, Import weapons from western countries and make wars to each other inside Africa, and stay statu quo as a colony situation as for the last centuries. 2.with Chinese way, let China in and help Africa to build infrastructures roads inside Africa between African countries and open the markets to China, let China doing business instead of fighting as in the past.
+Lex, Yeah, like when China moves into Nicauragua and throws thousands of indigenous people off their land and dig a huge canal that tears up rain forest. If Trump was doing that every green group in the world would be down there chaining themselves to trees. You see what you want to see.
Just as brother Malcolm X said: The world is filled with people of color and white represents only a tiny friction then how does the white man is able to control so many of us? As brother Malcolm says, through the divide and conquer tactic. White people have been dividing us for forever. Time to stop them from their evil ways.
CHINA IS MAKING PREDATORY LOANS AND FALSE-HELP USING CHINESE WORKERS TO POOR AFRICAN COUNTRIES THAT CANNOT REPAY LOANS, THEN FOR CHINA TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRIES AS PART OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
It does not trickle down? Yeah, Africans don't use Chinese built roads and railway. What has France done for Senegal? Young Senegalese are dying in the Mediterranean and this gentleman is echoing western prejudices for the remunerative gain of being called an expert by the West. China may use its labour but the Europeans, French, British and Portuguese have been in Africa for more than a century. In the colonial period Europe imported its language, educational and technical standards while inculcating Africans to its culture. The Chinese do not have these advantages, to converse to African technicians they have to speak non-native English, while their technical standards are not universally known. Their familiarity with the African environment (climatic and technical) is minimal and the scope for project failure and delay is high. This program is one in a vein of many continuing the biased argument about Chinese type infrastructure over western type loans. I offer Angola as a case study. In 2004 the China Exim bank offered Angola a $2 billion line of credit. Unlike other oil-backed loans, it cost less. Angola, a relatively high-risk country, was borrowing at a premium of up to 2.5 percent over LIBOR The Chinese loan was at LIBOR plus 1.5 percent with a grace period of five years, and payment over a further twelve years. This was far longer than European banks’ normal term of four or five years, without any grace period. The most unusual feature of Chinese line of credit is that it is used entirely for infrastructure projects, the same loan-for-infrastructure model Japan used in China three decades before. Within months of the Chinese loan, a group of Western banks, (Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland) - despite having earlier told the Angolans to seek IMF help, arranged an even larger oil-backed loan for $2.35 billion, at 2.5 percent over LIBOR, with repayment over five years. This was the largest oil backed transaction in the entire history of the structured trade finance market. The United States for its part provided tied credits of $800 million for Angola to buy Boeing aircraft. Transparency improved, even without the conditionality of the Western donors albeit with technical assistance from the IMF, and the Angolans finally began to publish a fairly complete account of their oil revenues and expenditures. Although many believe Chinese loans arrive in cash, they are wrong. A detailed look reveals that it is Western banks that give loans without requiring transparency, and it was Western companies exporting Angolan oil, that provided cash flows for the corrupt ruling party. The Western role in corrupting oil producers is not least evidenced by the confession of Jack Stanley, who led KBR (a subsidiary of Halliburton) as CEO between 1995 and 2004, that he paid $182 million in bribes to Nigerian government officials, to win $6 billion worth of contracts. The Chinese deal are not without risks, but it has been revolutionary for the country: for the first time, there is hope that some of Angola’s riches might actually be translated directly into development projects. There is still enormous corruption, but roads, clinics, and schools are being built.
What disastrous consequences? Before Chinese help Sri Lanka was stuck in a civil war hindered by India's duplicitous role with the combatants. Sri Lanka's post-war reconstruction has been financed by China. Do you think the US didn't insist on payments on its Marshall plan loans to reconstruct Europe after WW2? How do you think Marshall Plan aid was configured? It was mostly for the purchase of goods from the United States. When China insists on such similar terms through Chinese worker participation to build ports and roads, people like you scream China has settler ambitions. The US and Canada also loaned the UK $70 billion @ 2% during WW2, it took the UK to 2006 (> 50 years) to pay back. Even the US Lend lease program resulted in Reverse Lend lease where territory (Diego Garcia and the expulsion of its inhabitants by the British) was ceded to the US for military bases and British technologies including sonar, radar, jet engines etc. were given not licensed. And the US has the effrontery to talk about Hambantota! Germany ceded all its technological innovations and patents to the US and in return for a revolving loan system that by 1995 had made loans amounting to around $196 billion. 40% of the investment in the German coal industry came from these funds. To show US restrictions on Marshall Plan funds, when the Europeans wanted to build refineries using its funds they were denied because it went against the interest of US corporate oil interests. You can see that the main critic of China, does not criticise with 'clean hands' nor does India (aiding and abetting the Tamil Tigers) especially where Sri Lanka is concerned. On Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, China offers loans that countries would not get from western critics. It is up to individual governments to show fiscal and project responsibility. If you use Chinese money for a party i.e. white elephant projects, you deserve what you get when they ask for repayment, however if you use Chinese money to build your export and revenue base, then repayment would be easy. The Kyrgyz were granted $billion soft loans at 2% interest rate per annum and a maturity of 20 years. You can't get those terms in the West. Western banks offer, as in the case of Angola, commodity-backed (oil-backed) loan at 2.5% over LIBOR, with repayment over five years. If you borrowed a $million and used it buy a rolls royce and private jets, its your problem when that debt is called in, however if you used it to build export factories, when the lender comes calling he would extend you $10million. Thats what happened to Germany, they used their Marshall plan money to create export industries - the Mittelstand. France on the hand used it to fund fiscal deficits. Today the difference is clear without the EU's protectionism France would be bankrupt!
J A Very persuasive factual point made. good job done. European has the language advantage to spread their rumor. When most chinese can not defend their country in English in world media. that is why overwhelming, China is portraited as evail. And their project is interpreted as bad deal or debt trap. What is the truth, it all lies in the facts.
Code Tan There is no truth in this world except through global media control by US...so only US's 1 sided narrative is heard...China needs to control the media somehow...maybe hire some public relations firm
Thank you China for helping Africa and we know you want our survival and respect. Senegal is really looking up now. The United States of America has always put this down yet they steal from Africa and now they are more concerned with Africa becoming intertwined with China.
Africa has not seen much development until China interest in Africa. China is not being altruistic, it wants to mine for resources and farm its land in exchange for building infrastructure. It is not an investment but a transaction. Africa has no capacity or no market for these resources so they cannot derive any economic value on their own. Roads and train means economic access and synergy of otherwise unconnected industries. Both Africa and China wins in this process, China would gain more but Africa did not lose. When western companies mined those resource, they left nothing behind. They just paid the politicians and mined the resources, no infrastructure was built and nothing useful left behind after they are gone. So which is better?
dem. rep. of congo right now is one the most mismanaged countries that is just overflowing with potential. That massive country has ample amounts of timber, rare metal mining potential. Imagine if CAR could properly market those resources. China would definitely be the first to hurry over and talk deals. and CAR would be on it's way to become a regional power in Africa.
I think education and information is greatly needed in these Africa China transaction. It should actually taught in school in social studies. But the correct version not a version meant to coerce or control. There is just So much misinformation
I really like the idea of helping people build vs receiving aid and mass immigration to Western nations. This is a win for more nations than just China and Africa.
One disappointing aspect is that the West spends more money droning the African continent than on infrastructure. So, Africa-China relationship by contrast is way more civilised. Is it good for both? It can be - like all things it all depends on how it is used and on how much benefit you get from investing.
No countries are forced to accept loans from China let alone what to do with them. So when projects fail...why complain? No lender would intensionally want it's borrowers to fail.
They are just talking ,China involvement in Africa is the most significant step in history ..it is wine to wine business you people have to understand it well.
@@brayan7952 who loan and never want anything in return? China is not involving in any political affairs we Africans have a lot to work with China. You are not talking how France is or united or ICC is stealing our money in Africa most especially our lands we are a rich continent let them leave us alone to do any business with any body we want .afterwards those who are talking especially the west are in debts with China. They only want to continue interrupting us with their fake donations to stealing our minerals to pay their loans to China. This time no body will fools us we are doing it on our own with China,Russia or any other countries on wine wine not as colonial thieves demonic masters.
It’s true some of the Chinese companies bring their own labourer force to build but on the other hand African countries are investing heavily in Education and I have seen projects where the Chinese built a water dam and the second dam was built by newly qualified African workers. All respect to China for helping out but eventually African countries will be able to do for self. Europe and America are bitter as China is using its resources to help growing economies but eventually Chinese will be leaving Africa.
Nothing is free IMO, China will bring in its own labor force and ensure jobs for their own people. Also Africans lack the technical expertise in these large scale construction projects. After the infrastructure are completed, eventually African labor force will catch up with their technical knowledge and can then develop their own country.
Nothing is imposed on Africa. Africa can say no if they don't think it benefits them. The old saying, if you want to get rich build a road. China is taking a huge chance with these investments.
Your correct. But wrong on Huge chance. Huge chance is something that is worth 50billion or more. Like a steelmill/nuclear powerplant/ super modern ports or air ports etc.. roads bridges and light rail barely begin to break the bank. Especially chinas which is a trillion+ economy.
pat yeow if the risk reward ratio is so lucratic...why no other bank would lend them money...china is taking a huge chance...it is business deal but I think its a huge gamble...they ought to invest this money in their own country esp...seeing the criticism in the west and how knows how grateful or ungrateful the africans wil be if a business deal went sour...not all business deals r successful
there will always be a suspected bad motive and pre-crime from china even if they havent done anything u can be sure bad motives will be found by definition and thie evil beatty eyes....on the other hand america is so upright and honorable...even if they nuke and bomb other countries it is only out of the goodnesss of their heart...right Pat Yeow ?
sure africa benefits from this relation. china isnt building some shopping center oder fun parks there. what china builds are harbours, important roads and railroads, hospitals, schools and all other things, important for a countrys infrastructure and growth.
@@rejuvenatingsoul3498 they a helping us develop our infrastructure industries are being built , investment privately owned and public the West doesn't care for us ma except exploiting our reasources
@@domenicobartoccioni1610 in the future China will rule all African nations. I believe the Chinese people are investing for their own personal interest.
No one wants to really help you, Africans, and help yourselves. We are just doing business with you. There are no additional terms. You can choose not to do so.
wei yang shhh do u read any of theseAfrican Americans comments on all these vids .it's like ur God's .why chinese doesn't hire any Africans is no concern to them y'all build a muh fkin Bridge niqqa!
That is insulting. Africans are some of the smartest and well educated people. Most of them have been educated in the West if that means anything . ..... Why say such a thing?
But they do have knowledge and wisdom.What are you saying exactly. Are you saying that Africans don't know how to negotiate and barter. They have been doing this for thousands of years.
Politifeast Yes, all people have wisdom. But not all people have knowledge for the certain things. For example, does any country in Africa has the knowledge to build a space rocket or build a oil drilling platform ? The answer is no.
Personally I think it’s a good thing that China is trying to export development to Africa but it’s also a huge risk that they are taking with the endless cycle of problems in Africa. I hope Africa doesn’t muck up this opportunity because if it does, it will be a long time before it sees that kind of foreign investment goodwill into the region. If you want to lift people out of the cycle of poverty and raise living standards and level of economy, look to eastern Asians instead of values from the west. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Chinese, Japanese or Korean. Eastern Asians have a culture of excellence, efficiency and spirit of competitiveness that you can learn and benefit from.
China wants Africa to be poor so that they can enslave the Africans. Why would they want to make the African nations to be rich enough that they can be economically & politically independent? Its not in China's interest at all. China wants Africa nations to be dependent on China. Gullible people...
@@vinhbao9738 Where is your proof that China is enslaving the African people? It is in China's interest to make the African nations prosperous so they can pay the loans in the first place.
the CCP is the government that makes profits out of organ harvesting its own citizens and we expect them to be good to the Africans who have no ethnic ties to them whatsoever?
Just remember. US owes tons of money to China and to this day uses Chinese resources in trade. Africa can benefit from relations with China benefit better than the US.
14 African countries are still forced by France to pay colonial tax for the benefits of slavery and colonization. In fact Senegal is one of the countrues. l
'Does Africa benefit from its relations with China?' If you started by saying 'China has built countless roads, buildings', then you have answered the question as whether Africa benefit from its relations with China. We have the moral obligation to be grateful.
Around 5 months ago the US were dropping bombs on Somalia. If I had to choose between getting bombs dropped on me from the US or receiving roads and hospitals I know which one I’d choose…not exactly your hard. 🤷🏾♂️
Does Africa benefit from its relations with China? Yes. Does China benefit from its relations with Africa? Yes. It's a win-win relationship, which is the best.
Good luck, China and Africa, in your diplomatic relations with one another...This shows that China's just as influential as other (particularly Western) countries... It's a good influence in many ways... At least it's way more diplomatic... 😇😇😇🇨🇳🌍🇨🇳🌍🇨🇳🌍
Long that the Africans comes out on top.They have been enough manipulation by the Europeans.They treated the Africans really bad, especially the France and British.The young people must never forget what happened.
Not to give the impression of China as innocent, but would you prefer enslavement, military shenanigans, and out and out theft??? Holland, England, France, Belgium all 'beneficial' countries to Africa as history records.
of course it's load based, it's an investment. it's not a grand or a charity donation. it would be condescending to continue to see africa as needing "aid/donation". they have human capital, foreign investment will allow them to shine.
Brown Knight Bro, if you borrowed money and gambled , it is your fault , you cannot blame China , so do trade with China ,and be clever . Also don’t forget that no sympathy or compassion on businesses, just business is business, if you stupid other will make money money from you , you also got to be clever to balance and keep the business. Thank u
Western rule of Africa for centuries VS. last 20 years of Chinese construction in africa, you can see which has empowered and uplifted africa, surely chinese are not there for charity but to make money, in the process they have uplifted africa, that's the key difference, and continue to uplift africa from their war torn muddy huts and dusty roads. In the next 25 years, african-chinese partnership will take africa to a very healthy/developed state, something nobody cared to think of in the last 100 or so years of western rule.
Anton Fernando Absolutely mate , thank you for understanding the fact, if you borrowed money from China and gambled , you are the looser , unless invest wisely , basically for infrastructure for trading ,you are the winner , which must understand by the Aftican to over come centuries of humiliation
African countries must demand that the money be air marked for African companies. Companies that are run by native Africans! It is not acceptable that these loans be used to finance Chinese companies. Africa has to position itself where it can use its resources to generate revenue on a global level. The corruption in Africa must stop! Africa has an enormous amount of young people. These young people have to be trained to fulfill the needs of these emerging industries. Africa for Africans!
Just tell me what China built and what the West did! What was the cost of each of them! Then what resources both China and the West took from Africa. And how much each paid! Simple number comparison. Then tell me who ripped Africa off.
the chinese using their own companies and chinese workers to build roads and railways, you know that the chinese workers are cheaper, faster, more efficient and they don't slack or complain and time is money
Most of these development projects are loan based, that is right but you know Africa is not the only continent taking loans from China to finance their development projects, just prioritize high return projects.
Most of the commenters here are rather negative about China's presence in Africa, Assistance in the form of loans is better than pure aid, the recipients knowing that they have to payback are more likely to treat the assistance with some seriousness that they someday they need to pay back the loans. Furthermore, the African countries understood the current economic climate is really conducive towards obtaining large infrastructure loans because of the low interest rates worldwide. This is an opportunity NOW to build their countries. To be brutally honest if these African countries cannot manage the loans it is not the fault of China but those who took the loans. Also the responsibility of what loans they should take rest with the African countries ie not to take loans to fund projects which are not productive in future, for more info refer to Malaysian government who is currently renegotiating loans with China. I believe my arguments are more powerful than those experts with PhD degrees.
China and Africa need to be careful of western proxies trying to divide them.
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The comments are "negative" because many Black subjects Know Chinese and other Asians are full of specially Anti Black Racism. Asians, of whatever Nationality, have only Contempt for Black subjects. In North America, and the Caribbean, Asians have almost never demonstrated Good Faith in dealing with us. They have a long history of ECONOMICALLY EXPLOITING us with the license of the Dominant White community that sits back and lets them do it.
China loan Venezuela lots of money currently she has no way to repay these loans, there are no signs China is taking over the country infrastructures, not even the National oil company, Similarly for the country like Zimbabwe. The 99 years of Sri Lanka port is for commercial purposes there are no signs for military purposes. Your fear is exaggerated.
M worr it seems u have more anti-china racism in urself then vice versa...also u seem to talk on behalf of ur entire race in north america and the carribean....u might be overgeneralizing based on small sample of ur limited experience
African leaders are not stupid,they know who to trust. They know China will do what they say, and say what they do. Both African countries and China will benefits.
Don’t get it twisted, China is in desperate need of new ways to feed their massive population, they need arable land in addition to other resources from Africa. Corporations are racing to buy the little arable land left in Africa which might prove fatal for our country if leaders don’t move strategically!
I like the white and the Chinese woman, they speak smartly, but my brother is shouting even if he is pointing out the main problems, I know Chinese is not in Africa for only giving helping hands but first, their interest, that is normal, they are in front line, and we have to be wise, China need Africa more than Africa does, because of trade war with America and some europeans countries, nowadays china can't sell some goods to those countries, now china sees its economy shrinking, so, it is just an advantage for Africans countries at the same time a big risk because China is more advance than Africa. Chinese can't treat africans like whites did because we are not that weak like before, even whites changed their way to deal with Africans, we are racing because we are from different race. peace, love and wisdom. be wise my black leaders, Africa is for blacks and resources must serve and used for blacks more than any other race.
Nikiema Mahamadi my brother Africa has diverse race.. there are Black mostly in West,South,East and Central Africa but Black people of those areas are far from people of Ethiopia,Somalia,Eritrea,Sudan and don't forget the Arabs in north Africa... we also have different culture and traditional beliefs which makes it more diverse... Africa as a continent it has failed in many ways and of course China is better than western countries
Kungfu Panda you are kidding bro, Ougandais killed a Chinese because the Chinese kill a worker, Africans that Chinese mislead or mistreat in Africa are very poor Africans and most of time they don’t know their right, and we thought because of your dark past you will know your real place, but human remain human, a newly rich person will always want people to see him, and never behave like an old rich person, in Africa we are blaming too much white because they have stolen Africa resources and man power long time ago, since I live in China more than 7 years I will let my people know that Chinese are trying to infiltrate Africa and they are not better than white, they are also looking for our weakness to beat us, so spreading the news will make people who thought chinese are better will pay more attention and treat white and Chinese fairly instead of thinking Chinese are better than white. I had that thought before but now I do know Chinese more than my pockets bro. Africans should fight for Africans, Chinese for Chinese but it doesn’t mean we should cooperate, without cooperation we will all suffer, but we Africans get to know that Chinese are not our friend today and even the end of the time, I have Chinese friends and I like them that is different, I’m talking about countries, there is no real friendship among countries, only interest link countries.
In Guangzhou, China black men are not allowed to swim in gymnasium swimming pools, because the Chinese do not want black oil in the pool. I have seen this. You think China cares about the progress of the continent of Africa. Prepare to be re-colonized. Africa hasn't learnt the lesson yet
Africa needs investment, and China is a its biggest investor. China is willing to take the risks of investing and the rest of the world is talking it down in case China can make a success of it.
I think it is great China is investing in African countries but they should also promote the agenda of good governance, fight corruption and quality education that can help transform human capacity and institutions for sustainable development in the continent.
Push for good government is the job of the people, invest on education is the job of the government. Why do you think an external country, china, should be hold responsible of the well being and good governance of another country?
The chinese want to have a long -term business relationship with the African countries -they're building infrastructures - roads, bridges, power plants, agriculture, manufacturers and etc. So they can have a strong business exchange with African countries - importing and exporting goods between countries which win win for both countries.
it's the african nations to be smart & work hard to pay back loan that borrowed from china; china is not anyway to exploit the african nations rather to help the african nations to stand up on their feet...
You got to be realistic about using local workers. Some aspects of engineering has no tolerance for error, and you wouldn't trust unskilled local workers to do it. US "investment" is heavily into mining, of course you need plenty of unskilled workers to haul away the loot.😂
So, Tanzania is the smartest of them all, who would thought. Turkish company is building railways there for a HALF of the price of chinese offer. Makes you wonder why Chinese offer was so expensive ? Chinese economist mentioned that likely quite a few of these project will end up in defaults. To pay up for it, africans will have to give up their resources or land to Chinese like it has already happened in Sri Lanka.
rdokoye everyone knows it’s not about care, but business. These African countries under Chinese economical influence, were basically not important to western world, so Chinese fill the void. They did it out of economical and political needs, not because they have Some special feelings towards Africans (you should listen carefully to what Chinese economist was saying). For me, I wish these countries all the best, what interests me is geopolitics and economical aspects as a outside observer, I have no personal interest in this part of the world.
Bartosz Brozek Your so called uncensored western news never show the grassroots African talking their opinion. their favourable opinion to China, and their hate to westerner. Dare your media show a comparison what is the loan offer from China and western banker. Before your alarm of debt trap, just show a example of African fall into trap before China. I am sure it would be a west bank trap. Dare your madia talk about that with critic to the greedy western banker and show even that is better than China. And I hope you can put up such fact, so everyone say it is bad. it would be 1000 time better than a hollow word repeating China is bad, be careful, for what ?
Code Tan what African countries do and which money they borrow is entirely their business, I could not care less. They need to remember that Chinese investments are more politically minded than economically (Chinese economist also mentioned that straightforward). Good luck to Africa, they will need it. When it comes to media in the West, as biased they can be, they are way more credible then Chinese ccp propaganda.
Missing the point ! The issue is not the West or China, but Africa itself. Its up to African leaders and its peoples to uplift themselves. Nobody else can do it for them. I spent 45 yrs in Africa. I can say "The Chinese have a lot to learn". Its in all our interest to see Africa break out of its poverty trap and prosper. I fear the Chinese might learn a hard lesson.
The consequence of the dollar hegemony is a huge trade deficit, because the United States needs to flood the world with a large amount of dollars, and other countries must use inexpensive commodities in exchange for dollars. Therefore, the U.S. manufacturing industry must be unable to compete and transfer to other countries. These are the deformed economic models caused by the greedy capital of the United States! In order to transfer contradictions, American politicians say that they have been caused by other countries, thus blocking trade in other countries! If the American people are still not aware of this issue clearly, then the United States will not really be great again! In fact, there is no absolute democracy in this world. This is just a game made by the capital group that fled from Europe to the United States in World War II. Democracy requires funds to run for elections, and it is about the capital group behind the official US government. And unlike China, they will not allow any capital to control this country, which is why Western capital wants to get the Asian market and fear the socialist countries! The Belt and Road Initiative is actually bypassing the maritime trade channel controlled by the United States, and Americans are certainly afraid! Just like the oil China renminbi, China's global industrial division of labor competitiveness is gradually approaching the United States! Therefore, the United States began to comprehensively curb China’s development. US hegemony does not allow any country to compete with the United States! Look at the war launched by the United States. You will understand the reasons for all this! Although the United States is a highly democratized country, behind the democratic government are controlled by large interest groups, such as arms and oil finance. This will inevitably drive the United States to use war and other means to maintain its dominance. This is why U.S. spending has not been used to build the United States. After all, China has experienced a history of 5,000 years of civilization. Looking back at the history of China, the dynasty that used force to dominate was often dying, and the history of the world was also reviewed. Therefore, China will not take the old road of the United States. China's One Belt and One Road is to link the Eurasian African continent with railways, so that it can form the world's largest trade market. The advantage is that it can be separated from the US sea route control. Once the largest world trade market is formed, the United States will be marginalized. The United States will no longer be the central force of the world, and the center of the world will return to Europe, Asia and Africa! This is why the United States is so afraid of the Belt and Road. And China has begun to compete with the United States in high-end manufacturing, so the United States has to do everything to kill China! Including political diplomacy, financial warfare, media public opinion warfare, biological weapons warfare, arms competition, and finally military warfare. In fact, let us review the history of the world and have a very clear answer. China is a country with a history of civilization of 4000-5000 years. If a country can exist for such a long time, then it must know how to rule the land. Since the World War II and the industrial revolution, the West has begun to become the center of the world, but it has only been two hundred years. Because the short sight of political gaze cannot rule the country for a long time, look at the Mongolian Empire. Historically, Many outside nations have invaded Chinese territory, but they will not rule for more than one hundred years. Because they only use force and no wisdom. Maybe technological force can be a leader in the world for a while, but it won't last long. The reason behind this is the political system! In the future, the United States will be difficult to compete with China at many levels, such as market size and demand and consumption levels, industry chain, talent pool, political system and reform capabilities.
what is your point? based on your own speculation? Even it will happened in the future, is still based on the mutual benifit of both countries not by forces or arms. Look at US and EU, they deploy their troops and millitary forces all around the world by killing. DId they build any good thing to the local people?
They are deployed at the un request to fight terrorists in Mali and other places. You should be ashamed of making such statement. Canadian peacekeepers, for example, are requested frequently but the nation doesn't have the desire or manpower to deal with these conflicts within nations.
You idiot， US military bases around the world is UN peace keeping forces? UN Peace keeping has no military base, the peacekeeping forces are from countries all over the world such as China, India too
China is a developing nation and in this sense, its policies are designed to create mutually beneficial projects. Many projects as their own governance will continue to need adjustments. The arguments of some of these commentators in an effort to diminish the importance of the relationship and the improvement in the lives of Africans are unfortunate. There is no basis to deny the progress that is being made. These contracts are made by sober-minded adults who see great benefit for both China and the African nations. Colonial contracts only benefited the American and European masters. These are fellow victims of colonization who work hand in hand to improve the lives of people in their nations. Presently, there is only one global leader who is thinking and acting for the benefit of humanity. His name is XI JINPING!! The Chinese nation is ushering in a new phase of world governance and relationships based on the brotherhood of humanity. We have given the American century a chance to the detriment of humanity. Let us try giving peace and peaceful development a chance, through win-win cooperation!!.
They all are 👎 no good for 🌍 Africa. Africa got to unite and work together and trade together one Africa work together as one people. Is the answer period
Too bad we're not smart enough to build our own countries. Anyone who knows what is a quadratic equation is quickly shipped off the continent of Africa to help build western nations. SMH
During the 60s to the mid-90s, the Chinese government strictly controlled emigration, so that smart and talented people could not leave for the more affluent West. This may have been against the preference of these people at the time, but their talents stayed within the contry to build up China. I'm not sure how feasible this would be for African nations to have similar policies now, but if they could do so it would at least slow down the brain drain.
2000 Years ago, the Arabs enslaved and colonized Africans. From the year 1450 to 1960 the Europeans enslaved and colonized Africans. From the year 1960 to 2000 the invisible hand of the cold war enslaved and colonized Africans. From 2000 and ongoing the Chinese are enslaving, manipulating and colonizing Africans. Due to his lack of savvy, know how, his predisposition to exploitation, the Chinese have taken advantage of Africa and its rich resources, in fact based on available data both in terms of land acquisition and natural resources over $27 trillion has been unjustly taken through various deals- yet Africans have gotten a meager $280 billion out of those investments. Take the case of Senegal, where the Chinese have recently bought out right their international Airport located in Yioff Senegal, then loan the country $11 billion to build an new airport, nearly 10 times the cost of building an international Airport. In a country with a meager $31 billion PPP [GDP], repaying that loan will be nearly impossible. What the Chinese really want is the Yioff land in Senegal among others . Sadly Senegal will soon join the rank of countries deceived by China the likes of Sri Lanka were the government signed a 99-year lease with the Chinese government to operate their ports and airports. Case in point, the Chinese have and are currently building the biggest deep-seaport port in East Africa near Mombassa Kenya, coupled with biggest military based in Djibouti Africa, millions of miles of rails track throughout East Africa (Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania, Zambia etc… their core objective is both cleared and nefarious, in that the Chinese plant to eventually dump trillion of dollars worth the cheaply made Chinese goods throughout Africa in the Belt and Road Initiative using their tentacles rail network. Recently the Chinese bought out right four additional international airports in West Africa (in Burkina Faso, Togo, the Guinea Bissau, as well as Sierra Leone and Cameroon). In Senegal for instance to build the airport the Chinese loaned Senegal $11 billions1/3 of the country GDP and 11 times the cost of building. When I first visited Senegal in 1985, the country was a fine republic with great potential, recently however (2015), Senegal has become a dump of humanity, the poverty, the decay and years of corruption and incompetence due to the inaptitude of both current and former president Wade. We can most certainly predict, soon enough Senegal like many other Africans will be bounded in chains, this time around however by the Chinese.
China gives them big loans at high interest rates and when those poor countries can't pay China comes and takes over the ports,airports,highways etc. We saw what happened in Sri Lanka and most likely will happen to Pakistan as well.
HK Z You know what happens when you fail to service IMF bailout? They make you sell everything to the western corporations, not just a single port. Of course it is done in the name of privatization, so righteously titled.
South Korea and Indonesia took IMF loans and was just fine. The IMF helps clanse both countries of monopolies, cronisme and inefficient governmnet linked companies. China on the other wants to own countries that fail to pay its debts.
hijazzains S.K repaid the IMF loan by having their citizens sold everything of value in their household. And Indonesia sold all their national assets. Cleanse of monopoly? Ha, you mean establish monopoly by the western conglomerate?
USA and Europe have the resources, knowledge and skills but have clearly demonstrated their unwillingness to help Africa to industrialize. When China comes and starts to build infrastructural projects in Africa then it is accused of being a new colonizer and Africa is being seen as naive for accepting these loans to build what it needs. All countries in the world do make loans from other countries from time to time but if it is done by Africa it is wrong! What is Africa expected to do then?
Short answer No, long answer, its complicated. China's main goal is economic gain, not joint benefits. How African countries respond though, may make it beneficial for them too; unless the money is used to bribe official's instead of benefiting the populous , as is unfortunaly often the case.
Zsari Maxim Mm kinda ? Normally both sides will have reasonably equal gains from partnership, but in this case China stands to gain a lot more. It's not just in Africa, China is investing all over the world, at the benefit of China's superpower status, but not necessarily at a benefit of the countries they build in. Business investment are supposed to benifit both parties involved(ideally).
Nituraa All businesses are in it for their own gain. Whether any business partnership are beneficial to all parties and how much each party gains from any deal or corporation entirely depends on the bargaining power of each party involved. If you complain about your business partner not handing you enough gain, you shouldn't be entering into that deal in the first place. At the very least China is not going to instigate a regime change on you to make you play ball. If on the other hand you are expecting an hand out, then forget about it. The first thing in economics 101 is there is no such thing as free lunch. China too got to this stage not on largesse but sacrifice.
African culture is eastern like china,defensive not offensive like west,secondly during the cold war,when china was banned from international trade,Africa used to vote against more embargo,lots of African countries used to buy Chinese goods illegally,this kept china afloat and they never forgot!
Look at some of the things China does to religious and different groups in China. I fear this ends badly for s lot of African countries that can’t afford to repay loans but I hope I’m wrong but That communism thing doesn’t usually work out.
Look China wants the mineral and natural resources of Africa Africa wants development, progress, infrastructure trade China and Africa have interest interest interest There is no permanent friends or enemies in foreign relationship simple as that
What does the West want? It sends aid presumably to the poor to keep feeding them but never to build? To create a welfare state in African countries to assuage some past guilt/make them dependent? To get the resources without building anything like in Libya and to install some puppet governments they can control to steal legally.
Africa should always remember that only Africa will put Africa first and if Africa don't no one will.
Yes!!!! YES YES YES THANK YOU!!!
100% true
EXACTLY. stand up and stop with the handouts
China declares they are your friend, but friend is just friend, it is all up to the great Africa herself, an African Union !
@goff0103 hybrid rice? The fact plastic rice they have in Jamaica killing people
2 solutions for Africa : 1. Stay in the western way, Import weapons from western countries and make wars to each other inside Africa, and stay statu quo as a colony situation as for the last centuries. 2.with Chinese way, let China in and help Africa to build infrastructures roads inside Africa between African countries and open the markets to China, let China doing business instead of fighting as in the past.
rofl if you think China is some kind of saviour. If you think west was bad you will see what will happend when China owns you.
Americans are saying the Chinese are there to still resources, something the Americans been doing!
Steal* not still
Nik Ninja correct me where
lmao from the our president in tweet?
This news channel is owned by Qatar.
Colonialism is by Europe not US.
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We know because we’re the best at it. What do you think they are there for? Resources. Don’t let your hatred of America blind you.
Some nations achieve their goals by fear and force, others by cooperation and mutual aid.
Lex Reason Chinese weapons are popular in Africa because they're cheap.
Others give large unpayable loans then take and militarize infrastructure in lieu of debt.
they are bought up front with interest. The loan you'll get is shot in the face is teying to strong arm bush men.
robspunk still better than the west
+Lex, Yeah, like when China moves into Nicauragua and throws thousands of indigenous people off their land and dig a huge canal that tears up rain forest. If Trump was doing that every green group in the world would be down there chaining themselves to trees. You see what you want to see.
I will say: China and Africa need to be careful of western proxies trying to divide them.
Chinese bot!
Just as brother Malcolm X said: The world is filled with people of color and white represents only a tiny friction then how does the white man is able to control so many of us? As brother Malcolm says, through the divide and conquer tactic. White people have been dividing us for forever. Time to stop them from their evil ways.
4th of June Tianamen Massacre
And that's exactly what this hit piece is...
+Joseph Lee Pretty sure Brother Malcom changed his ways before dying and realized white is also a color.
African exports to Europe have increased thanks to Chinese built infrastructure in Africa. This is a win-win for China and Africa.
CHINA IS MAKING PREDATORY LOANS AND FALSE-HELP USING CHINESE WORKERS TO POOR AFRICAN COUNTRIES THAT CANNOT REPAY LOANS, THEN FOR CHINA TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRIES AS PART OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
Africans will be the new sources for China organ harvesting industry.
so that you could have my organs for free? No thanks
How does China benefit from African exports to europe? Charge for the use of the railway?
When Chinese say win-win situation actually means win-win only for them
America policy toward Africa: "bombed and divided."
Yep just like CIA operates in Africa to have an influence in its region. Very disgusting to hear Western Media discredit China helping other people.
It does not trickle down? Yeah, Africans don't use Chinese built roads and railway. What has France done for Senegal? Young Senegalese are dying in the Mediterranean and this gentleman is echoing western prejudices for the remunerative gain of being called an expert by the West.
China may use its labour but the Europeans, French, British and Portuguese have been in Africa for more than a century. In the colonial period Europe imported its language, educational and technical standards while inculcating Africans to its culture. The Chinese do not have these advantages, to converse to African technicians they have to speak non-native English, while their technical standards are not universally known.
Their familiarity with the African environment (climatic and technical) is minimal and the scope for project failure and delay is high.
This program is one in a vein of many continuing the biased argument about Chinese type infrastructure over western type loans.
I offer Angola as a case study. In 2004 the China Exim bank offered Angola a $2 billion line of credit. Unlike other oil-backed loans, it cost less. Angola, a relatively high-risk country, was borrowing at a premium of up to 2.5 percent over LIBOR
The Chinese loan was at LIBOR plus 1.5 percent with a grace period of five years, and payment over a further twelve years. This was far longer than European banks’ normal term of four or five years, without any grace period.
The most unusual feature of Chinese line of credit is that it is used entirely for infrastructure projects, the same loan-for-infrastructure model Japan used in China three decades before.
Within months of the Chinese loan, a group of Western banks, (Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland) - despite having earlier told the Angolans to seek IMF help, arranged an even larger oil-backed loan for $2.35 billion, at 2.5 percent over LIBOR, with repayment over five years. This was the largest oil backed transaction in the entire history of the structured trade finance market.
The United States for its part provided tied credits of $800 million for Angola to buy Boeing aircraft.
Transparency improved, even without the conditionality of the Western donors albeit with technical assistance from the IMF, and the Angolans finally began to publish a fairly complete account of their oil revenues and expenditures.
Although many believe Chinese loans arrive in cash, they are wrong. A detailed look reveals that it is Western banks that give loans without requiring transparency, and it was Western companies exporting Angolan oil, that provided cash flows for the corrupt ruling party. The Western role in corrupting oil producers is not least evidenced by the confession of Jack Stanley, who led KBR (a subsidiary of Halliburton) as CEO between 1995 and 2004, that he paid $182 million in bribes to Nigerian government officials, to win $6 billion worth of contracts.
The Chinese deal are not without risks, but it has been revolutionary for the country: for the first time, there is hope that some of Angola’s riches might actually be translated directly into development projects. There is still enormous corruption, but roads, clinics, and schools are being built.
What disastrous consequences? Before Chinese help Sri Lanka was stuck in a civil war hindered by India's duplicitous role with the combatants. Sri Lanka's post-war reconstruction has been financed by China.
Do you think the US didn't insist on payments on its Marshall plan loans to reconstruct Europe after WW2? How do you think Marshall Plan aid was configured? It was mostly for the purchase of goods from the United States. When China insists on such similar terms through Chinese worker participation to build ports and roads, people like you scream China has settler ambitions.
The US and Canada also loaned the UK $70 billion @ 2% during WW2, it took the UK to 2006 (> 50 years) to pay back. Even the US Lend lease program resulted in Reverse Lend lease where territory (Diego Garcia and the expulsion of its inhabitants by the British) was ceded to the US for military bases and British technologies including sonar, radar, jet engines etc. were given not licensed. And the US has the effrontery to talk about Hambantota!
Germany ceded all its technological innovations and patents to the US and in return for a revolving loan system that by 1995 had made loans amounting to around $196 billion. 40% of the investment in the German coal industry came from these funds.
To show US restrictions on Marshall Plan funds, when the Europeans wanted to build refineries using its funds they were denied because it went against the interest of US corporate oil interests.
You can see that the main critic of China, does not criticise with 'clean hands' nor does India (aiding and abetting the Tamil Tigers) especially where Sri Lanka is concerned.
On Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, China offers loans that countries would not get from western critics. It is up to individual governments to show fiscal and project responsibility. If you use Chinese money for a party i.e. white elephant projects, you deserve what you get when they ask for repayment, however if you use Chinese money to build your export and revenue base, then repayment would be easy.
The Kyrgyz were granted $billion soft loans at 2% interest rate per annum and a maturity of 20 years. You can't get those terms in the West. Western banks offer, as in the case of Angola, commodity-backed (oil-backed) loan at 2.5% over LIBOR, with repayment over five years.
If you borrowed a $million and used it buy a rolls royce and private jets, its your problem when that debt is called in, however if you used it to build export factories, when the lender comes calling he would extend you $10million.
Thats what happened to Germany, they used their Marshall plan money to create export industries - the Mittelstand. France on the hand used it to fund fiscal deficits. Today the difference is clear without the EU's protectionism France would be bankrupt!
+JA
Dropped that knowledge, mmmm
Goid point made. It is time for the European to stopp treat African as fool.
J A Very persuasive factual point made. good job done.
European has the language advantage to spread their rumor. When most chinese can not defend their country in English in world media. that is why overwhelming, China is portraited as evail. And their project is interpreted as bad deal or debt trap. What is the truth, it all lies in the facts.
Code Tan
There is no truth in this world except through global media control by US...so only US's 1 sided narrative is heard...China needs to control the media somehow...maybe hire some public relations firm
Thank you China for helping Africa and we know you want our survival and respect. Senegal is really looking up now. The United States of America has always put this down yet they steal from Africa and now they are more concerned with Africa becoming intertwined with China.
Africa has not seen much development until China interest in Africa. China is not being altruistic, it wants to mine for resources and farm its land in exchange for building infrastructure. It is not an investment but a transaction. Africa has no capacity or no market for these resources so they cannot derive any economic value on their own. Roads and train means economic access and synergy of otherwise unconnected industries. Both Africa and China wins in this process, China would gain more but Africa did not lose. When western companies mined those resource, they left nothing behind. They just paid the politicians and mined the resources, no infrastructure was built and nothing useful left behind after they are gone. So which is better?
dem. rep. of congo right now is one the most mismanaged countries that is just overflowing with potential. That massive country has ample amounts of timber, rare metal mining potential.
Imagine if CAR could properly market those resources. China would definitely be the first to hurry over and talk deals. and CAR would be on it's way to become a regional power in Africa.
kammeng chin. There is always a loser and in this case it is the environment and the wild life.
Even after paying for the commodities, the payment goes back into Western banks and so, in effect, nothing was paid to the Africans.
@Salm1848 obviously a python as there are no such thing as dragons unless it is a Komodo dragon.
I think education and information is greatly needed in these Africa China transaction. It should actually taught in school in social studies. But the correct version not a version meant to coerce or control. There is just So much misinformation
I really like the idea of helping people build vs receiving aid and mass immigration to Western nations. This is a win for more nations than just China and Africa.
These are goods fact, blacks have no friends
One disappointing aspect is that the West spends more money droning the African continent than on infrastructure. So, Africa-China relationship by contrast is way more civilised.
Is it good for both? It can be - like all things it all depends on how it is used and on how much benefit you get from investing.
I agree 100 per cent. You have the wisdom of Aristotle.
Beats having you or your family being droned .
You would never hear that from western corporate news..nor slavery and human trafficking..
No countries are forced to accept loans from China let alone what to do with them. So when projects fail...why complain?
No lender would intensionally want it's borrowers to fail.
Will Africa enter into a "debt trap" with China?
They are just talking ,China involvement in Africa is the most significant step in history ..it is wine to wine business you people have to understand it well.
@@brayan7952 who loan and never want anything in return? China is not involving in any political affairs we Africans have a lot to work with China. You are not talking how France is or united or ICC is stealing our money in Africa most especially our lands we are a rich continent let them leave us alone to do any business with any body we want .afterwards those who are talking especially the west are in debts with China. They only want to continue interrupting us with their fake donations to stealing our minerals to pay their loans to China. This time no body will fools us we are doing it on our own with China,Russia or any other countries on wine wine not as colonial thieves demonic masters.
It’s true some of the Chinese companies bring their own labourer force to build but on the other hand African countries are investing heavily in Education and I have seen projects where the Chinese built a water dam and the second dam was built by newly qualified African workers. All respect to China for helping out but eventually African countries will be able to do for self. Europe and America are bitter as China is using its resources to help growing economies but eventually Chinese will be leaving Africa.
In America we don't really build dams anymore because we realized it ruins natural resources
Thats the point. To build up Africans' own dependence and hence a rich african continent can also enforce China's economical might.
@@scottyee707 在美国，你们不需要为生存而奋斗。而在非洲很多人在死亡线上挣扎，活下来的人才有资格为更高的理想忧虑。
Nothing is free IMO, China will bring in its own labor force and ensure jobs for their own people. Also Africans lack the technical expertise in these large scale construction projects. After the infrastructure are completed, eventually African labor force will catch up with their technical knowledge and can then develop their own country.
@errol kong You must be either HK or Taiwanese....
Nothing is imposed on Africa. Africa can say no if they don't think it benefits them. The old saying, if you want to get rich build a road. China is taking a huge chance with these investments.
Your correct. But wrong on Huge chance. Huge chance is something that is worth 50billion or more. Like a steelmill/nuclear powerplant/ super modern ports or air ports etc.. roads bridges and light rail barely begin to break the bank. Especially chinas which is a trillion+ economy.
.....Hugh chance with no returns?Get real!
pat yeow
if the risk reward ratio is so lucratic...why no other bank would lend them money...china is taking a huge chance...it is business deal but I think its a huge gamble...they ought to invest this money in their own country esp...seeing the criticism in the west and how knows how grateful or ungrateful the africans wil be if a business deal went sour...not all business deals r successful
David .....sometimes the motive is not about money!
there will always be a suspected bad motive and pre-crime from china even if they havent done anything u can be sure bad motives will be found by definition and thie evil beatty eyes....on the other hand america is so upright and honorable...even if they nuke and bomb other countries it is only out of the goodnesss of their heart...right Pat Yeow
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sure africa benefits from this relation. china isnt building some shopping center oder fun parks there.
what china builds are harbours, important roads and railroads, hospitals, schools and all other things, important for a countrys infrastructure and growth.
𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚘𝚕𝚘𝚗𝚒𝚣𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙰𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚌𝚊... 𝙸𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚊'𝚜 𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚛𝚊𝚒𝚗 𝙰𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚌𝚊
@@tengteng4076 only if Africans were smart enough to understand this.
@@rejuvenatingsoul3498 they a helping us develop our infrastructure industries are being built , investment privately owned and public the West doesn't care for us ma except exploiting our reasources
@@tengteng4076 jealous hater
I think the views expressed have been slightly distorted.
If not China, who else will come to invest?
The U.S. we already give more aid than anyone else. Investing in the country would be a smart move.
No one, the west is quick to lay their red tapes & in the end do little.
@@Tarly45 Your aid did nothing on this continent. China is investing billions and all you're talking about is your peanut aid.
China is not investing/lending for fun... The fun will be when the loans must be paid back.
@@domenicobartoccioni1610 in the future China will rule all African nations. I believe the Chinese people are investing for their own personal interest.
Hey Europe colonizers we don’t want food. Copy China and help with infrastructure or go away. Thank you China 🇨🇳😊😊
Why doesn’t Africa just borrow the money. Why do they need to move China in w their military etc? Loans don’t usually work that way.
Ok starve then😊
Africa has developed the entire world and here we are at this moment in time talking about how the world can develop Africa. SMFH.
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Propaganda propaganda propaganda China is doing good business in Africa there helping us to build our infrastructure and that is good for us
Positive. Nothing better than China-Africa fraternity. God bless China 🇨🇳. God bless Africa 🌍.
No one wants to really help you, Africans, and help yourselves. We are just doing business with you. There are no additional terms. You can choose not to do so.
wei yang shhh do u read any of theseAfrican Americans comments on all these vids .it's like ur God's .why chinese doesn't hire any Africans is no concern to them y'all build a muh fkin Bridge niqqa!
Rip jealous Europe
Love China❤️. Not like the Americans or the Europeans who always like to see Africa behind.
Haha the west suddenly concerned about Land of Slaves' "well-being", they definitely done something right.
Mark E
Be careful, West is poisonous
why couldn't Africa develop their own resources and negotiate in a way that does not put them at risk?
Politifeast they don’t have the knowledge
That is insulting. Africans are some of the smartest and well educated people. Most of them have been educated in the West if that means anything . ..... Why say such a thing?
Not having the knowledge is not the same as not having wisdom.
But they do have knowledge and wisdom.What are you saying exactly. Are you saying that Africans don't know how to negotiate and barter. They have been doing this for thousands of years.
Politifeast Yes, all people have wisdom. But not all people have knowledge for the certain things. For example, does any country in Africa has the knowledge to build a space rocket or build a oil drilling platform ? The answer is no.
China Africa good relationships 👍👍👍👍👍
Personally I think it’s a good thing that China is trying to export development to Africa but it’s also a huge risk that they are taking with the endless cycle of problems in Africa. I hope Africa doesn’t muck up this opportunity because if it does, it will be a long time before it sees that kind of foreign investment goodwill into the region. If you want to lift people out of the cycle of poverty and raise living standards and level of economy, look to eastern Asians instead of values from the west. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Chinese, Japanese or Korean. Eastern Asians have a culture of excellence, efficiency and spirit of competitiveness that you can learn and benefit from.
China wants Africa to be poor so that they can enslave the Africans. Why would they want to make the African nations to be rich enough that they can be economically & politically independent? Its not in China's interest at all. China wants Africa nations to be dependent on China. Gullible people...
@@vinhbao9738 Where is your proof that China is enslaving the African people? It is in China's interest to make the African nations prosperous so they can pay the loans in the first place.
If a few greedy Westerner backed African leaders get in on the deal it could go sideways. Good thing the Chinese are doing the initial work.
Making money on all cost? - not bombing like US or europe
𝚈𝚎𝚜.. 𝙾𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚋𝚢 𝚎𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚖𝚒𝚌 𝚋𝚕𝚊𝚌𝚔𝚖𝚊𝚒𝚕 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚟𝚒𝚛𝚞𝚜 𝚎𝚡𝚙𝚘𝚛𝚝
The conclusion; the West is good and China is bad LOL
the CCP is the government that makes profits out of organ harvesting its own citizens and we expect them to be good to the Africans who have no ethnic ties to them whatsoever?
Vinh Bảo yeah, believe in what you want to believe
Just remember. US owes tons of money to China and to this day uses Chinese resources in trade. Africa can benefit from relations with China benefit better than the US.
14 African countries are still forced by France to pay colonial tax for the benefits of slavery and colonization. In fact Senegal is one of the countrues.
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'Does Africa benefit from its relations with China?'
If you started by saying 'China has built countless roads, buildings', then you have answered the question as whether Africa benefit from its relations with China. We have the moral obligation to be grateful.
Around 5 months ago the US were dropping bombs on Somalia. If I had to choose between getting bombs dropped on me from the US or receiving roads and hospitals I know which one I’d choose…not exactly your hard. 🤷🏾♂️
Does Africa benefit from its relations with China? Yes.
Does China benefit from its relations with Africa? Yes.
It's a win-win relationship, which is the best.
Good luck, China and Africa, in your diplomatic relations with one another...This shows that China's just as influential as other (particularly Western) countries...
It's a good influence in many ways... At least it's way more diplomatic... 😇😇😇🇨🇳🌍🇨🇳🌍🇨🇳🌍
Long that the Africans comes out on top.They have been enough manipulation by the Europeans.They treated the Africans really bad, especially the France and British.The young people must never forget what happened.
I hope Africa keep their eyes wide open and be careful of their foods, people will use gifts to deceive you
It's only a matter of time before the Africans get put on reservations with poor soil quality.
Honest Crystal Ball where did you get this idea? Perhaps native Americans reservations? < done by who?
black sheep Exactly.
Not to give the impression of China as innocent, but would you prefer enslavement, military shenanigans, and out and out theft??? Holland, England, France, Belgium all 'beneficial' countries to Africa as history records.
black sheep no they wont that never happened in history They just Took it
we have a saying; Nothing in this world is free.
Africa and China have every right to decide for themselves their international ties.
of course it's load based, it's an investment.
it's not a grand or a charity donation.
it would be condescending to continue to see africa as needing "aid/donation".
they have human capital, foreign investment will allow them to shine.
China option is better than no option.
Brown Knight
Bro, if you borrowed money and gambled , it is your fault , you cannot blame China , so do trade with China ,and be clever . Also don’t forget that no sympathy or compassion on businesses, just business is business, if you stupid other will make money money from you , you also got to be clever to balance and keep the business. Thank u
Western rule of Africa for centuries VS. last 20 years of Chinese construction in africa, you can see which has empowered and uplifted africa, surely chinese are not there for charity but to make money, in the process they have uplifted africa, that's the key difference, and continue to uplift africa from their war torn muddy huts and dusty roads. In the next 25 years, african-chinese partnership will take africa to a very healthy/developed state, something nobody cared to think of in the last 100 or so years of western rule.
Anton Fernando
Absolutely mate , thank you for understanding the fact, if you borrowed money from China and gambled , you are the looser , unless invest wisely , basically for infrastructure for trading ,you are the winner , which must understand by the Aftican to over come centuries of humiliation
African countries must demand that the money be air marked for African companies. Companies that are run by native Africans! It is not acceptable that these loans be used to finance Chinese companies. Africa has to position itself where it can use its resources to generate revenue on a global level. The corruption in Africa must stop! Africa has an enormous amount of young people. These young people have to be trained to fulfill the needs of these emerging industries.
Africa for Africans!
YEP
Africa will never be colonized twice
Just tell me what China built and what the West did!
What was the cost of each of them!
Then what resources both China and the West took from Africa. And how much each paid!
Simple number comparison. Then tell me who ripped Africa off.
the chinese using their own companies and chinese workers to build roads and railways, you know that the chinese workers are cheaper, faster, more efficient and they don't slack or complain and time is money
Is it a good thing to be "fast" and "cheap"?😕😐
Flygirl402 everything thing in USA says so lolz
Most of these development projects are loan based, that is right but you know Africa is not the only continent taking loans from China to finance their development projects, just prioritize high return projects.
Most of the commenters here are rather negative about China's presence in Africa, Assistance in the form of loans is better than pure aid, the recipients knowing that they have to payback are more likely to treat the assistance with some seriousness that they someday they need to pay back the loans. Furthermore, the African countries understood the current economic climate is really conducive towards obtaining large infrastructure loans because of the low interest rates worldwide. This is an opportunity NOW to build their countries. To be brutally honest if these African countries cannot manage the loans it is not the fault of China but those who took the loans. Also the responsibility of what loans they should take rest with the African countries ie not to take loans to fund projects which are not productive in future, for more info refer to Malaysian government who is currently renegotiating loans with China.
I believe my arguments are more powerful than those experts with PhD degrees.
China and Africa need to be careful of western proxies trying to divide them.
The comments are "negative" because many Black subjects Know Chinese and other Asians are full of specially Anti Black Racism. Asians, of whatever Nationality, have only Contempt for Black subjects. In North America, and the Caribbean, Asians have almost never demonstrated Good Faith in dealing with us. They have a long history of ECONOMICALLY EXPLOITING us with the license of the Dominant White community that sits back and lets them do it.
China loan Venezuela lots of money currently she has no way to repay these loans, there are no signs China is taking over the country infrastructures, not even the National oil company, Similarly for the country like Zimbabwe. The 99 years of Sri Lanka port is for commercial purposes there are no signs for military purposes. Your fear is exaggerated.
M worr
it seems u have more anti-china racism in urself then vice versa...also u seem to talk on behalf of ur entire race in north america and the carribean....u might be overgeneralizing based on small sample of ur limited experience
African leaders are not stupid,they know who to trust. They know China will do what they say, and say what they do. Both African countries and China will benefits.
They are gonna make wonderful babies ... That is for sure. My son is half chinese and he is stunning ! Good luck Africans .
Listen to this foolishness. No wonder why women are second class citizens all over the world. You lack common sense
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Is this woman saying that it is a fait accompli that Africa will default on the loans. This is crazy. why over-extend?
I doubt there is any way that chinese loans are any worse than imf or wb loans.
Don’t get it twisted, China is in desperate need of new ways to feed their massive population, they need arable land in addition to other resources from Africa. Corporations are racing to buy the little arable land left in Africa which might prove fatal for our country if leaders don’t move strategically!
I like the white and the Chinese woman, they speak smartly, but my brother is shouting even if he is pointing out the main problems, I know Chinese is not in Africa for only giving helping hands but first, their interest, that is normal, they are in front line, and we have to be wise, China need Africa more than Africa does, because of trade war with America and some europeans countries, nowadays china can't sell some goods to those countries, now china sees its economy shrinking, so, it is just an advantage for Africans countries at the same time a big risk because China is more advance than Africa. Chinese can't treat africans like whites did because we are not that weak like before, even whites changed their way to deal with Africans, we are racing because we are from different race. peace, love and wisdom. be wise my black leaders, Africa is for blacks and resources must serve and used for blacks more than any other race.
Nikiema Mahamadi my brother Africa has diverse race.. there are Black mostly in West,South,East and Central Africa but Black people of those areas are far from people of Ethiopia,Somalia,Eritrea,Sudan and don't forget the Arabs in north Africa... we also have different culture and traditional beliefs which makes it more diverse... Africa as a continent it has failed in many ways and of course China is better than western countries
Kungfu Panda you are kidding bro, Ougandais killed a Chinese because the Chinese kill a worker, Africans that Chinese mislead or mistreat in Africa are very poor Africans and most of time they don’t know their right, and we thought because of your dark past you will know your real place, but human remain human, a newly rich person will always want people to see him, and never behave like an old rich person,
in Africa we are blaming too much white because they have stolen Africa resources and man power long time ago, since I live in China more than 7 years I will let my people know that Chinese are trying to infiltrate Africa and they are not better than white, they are also looking for our weakness to beat us, so spreading the news will make people who thought chinese are better will pay more attention and treat white and Chinese fairly instead of thinking Chinese are better than white. I had that thought before but now I do know Chinese more than my pockets bro. Africans should fight for Africans, Chinese for Chinese but it doesn’t mean we should cooperate, without cooperation we will all suffer, but we Africans get to know that Chinese are not our friend today and even the end of the time, I have Chinese friends and I like them that is different, I’m talking about countries, there is no real friendship among countries, only interest link countries.
Nikiema Mahamadi
Very correct buddy , no one throw money for nothing,but doing business with good intention then we all will benefit
Helping of each other is not bad but good. God bless
african government dont think long term, to them its just how can i fill my pockets now so i can pay taxes on my foreign mansions
buzz lightyea what is your solution?
Exactly
In Guangzhou, China black men are not allowed to swim in gymnasium swimming pools, because the Chinese do not want black oil in the pool.
I have seen this.
You think China cares about the progress of the continent of Africa.
Prepare to be re-colonized.
Africa hasn't learnt the lesson yet
There are several countries in Asia that not allow Indians use the swimming pool, so what.
Beautiful black woman but Africa keep yo eyes open
Africa needs investment, and China is a its biggest investor. China is willing to take the risks of investing and the rest of the world is talking it down in case China can make a success of it.
I think it is great China is investing in African countries but they should also promote the agenda of good governance, fight corruption and quality education that can help transform human capacity and institutions for sustainable development in the continent.
Ebrima Tunkara first thing first.
Push for good government is the job of the people, invest on education is the job of the government. Why do you think an external country, china, should be hold responsible of the well being and good governance of another country?
Politic are internal affair. No other countries government should interfere or meddle.
China is best solution for country , American never help anything fr poor country. Respect fr China🙏🙏🙏
Of course it will befit Because China developing Srilanka not looting us systematically.
They took a port and militarized it
And yet they still prefer china.. us also has 2000 troops in Australia, did us militarise Australia and turn it into a vassal state?
The chinese want to have a long -term business relationship with the African countries -they're building infrastructures - roads, bridges, power plants, agriculture, manufacturers and etc. So they can have a strong business exchange with African countries - importing and exporting goods between countries which win win for both countries.
Of course the European disagrees with this development. They prefer giving "aid" with clauses.
Long live china and Africa relationship
I never knew AJ ZAREERA now became a puppet of BBC and CNN, good job!
While America is wasting taxpayers money fighting isis all over the middle East for what benefit?🤯😂
No... just a few greedy leaders
it's the african nations to be smart & work hard to pay back loan that borrowed from china; china is not anyway to exploit the african nations rather to help the african nations to stand up on their feet...
You got to be realistic about using local workers. Some aspects of engineering has no tolerance for error, and you wouldn't trust unskilled local workers to do it. US "investment" is heavily into mining, of course you need plenty of unskilled workers to haul away the loot.😂
Here we go again...Africa will never learn.
So, Tanzania is the smartest of them all, who would thought.
Turkish company is building railways there for a HALF of the price of chinese offer.
Makes you wonder why Chinese offer was so expensive ?
Chinese economist mentioned that likely quite a few of these project will end up in defaults.
To pay up for it, africans will have to give up their resources or land to Chinese like it has already happened in Sri Lanka.
Give you proof, or you are just liar.
Code Tan Read news (outside China ones, therefore not censored), used prohibited tools like google and you will get the idea. Welcome to free world !
rdokoye everyone knows it’s not about care, but business. These African countries under Chinese economical influence, were basically not important to western world, so Chinese fill the void. They did it out of economical and political needs, not because they have
Some special feelings towards Africans (you should listen carefully to what Chinese economist was saying). For me, I wish these countries all the best, what interests me is geopolitics and economical aspects as a outside observer, I have no personal interest in this part of the world.
Bartosz Brozek Your so called uncensored western news never show the grassroots African talking their opinion. their favourable opinion to China, and their hate to westerner. Dare your media show a comparison what is the loan offer from China and western banker. Before your alarm of debt trap, just show a example of African fall into trap before China. I am sure it would be a west bank trap. Dare your madia talk about that with critic to the greedy western banker and show even that is better than China. And I hope you can put up such fact, so everyone say it is bad. it would be 1000 time better than a hollow word repeating China is bad, be careful, for what ?
Code Tan what African countries do and which money they borrow is entirely their business, I could not care less. They need to remember that Chinese investments are more politically minded than economically (Chinese economist also mentioned that straightforward). Good luck to Africa, they will need it.
When it comes to media in the West, as biased they can be, they are way more credible then Chinese ccp propaganda.
Missing the point ! The issue is not the West or China, but Africa itself. Its up to African leaders and its peoples to uplift themselves. Nobody else can do it for them. I spent 45 yrs in Africa.
I can say "The Chinese have a lot to learn". Its in all our interest to see Africa break out of its poverty trap and prosper. I fear the Chinese might learn a hard lesson.
希望非洲兄弟成长的更快
Move to Mars not Africa and take yur rugrats with you as well
The consequence of the dollar hegemony is a huge trade deficit, because the United States needs to flood the world with a large amount of dollars, and other countries must use inexpensive commodities in exchange for dollars. Therefore, the U.S. manufacturing industry must be unable to compete and transfer to other countries. These are the deformed economic models caused by the greedy capital of the United States! In order to transfer contradictions, American politicians say that they have been caused by other countries, thus blocking trade in other countries! If the American people are still not aware of this issue clearly, then the United States will not really be great again!
In fact, there is no absolute democracy in this world. This is just a game made by the capital group that fled from Europe to the United States in World War II. Democracy requires funds to run for elections, and it is about the capital group behind the official US government. And unlike China, they will not allow any capital to control this country, which is why Western capital wants to get the Asian market and fear the socialist countries!
The Belt and Road Initiative is actually bypassing the maritime trade channel controlled by the United States, and Americans are certainly afraid! Just like the oil China renminbi, China's global industrial division of labor competitiveness is gradually approaching the United States! Therefore, the United States began to comprehensively curb China’s development. US hegemony does not allow any country to compete with the United States! Look at the war launched by the United States. You will understand the reasons for all this! Although the United States is a highly democratized country, behind the democratic government are controlled by large interest groups, such as arms and oil finance. This will inevitably drive the United States to use war and other means to maintain its dominance. This is why U.S. spending has not been used to build the United States. After all, China has experienced a history of 5,000 years of civilization. Looking back at the history of China, the dynasty that used force to dominate was often dying, and the history of the world was also reviewed. Therefore, China will not take the old road of the United States. China's One Belt and One Road is to link the Eurasian African continent with railways, so that it can form the world's largest trade market. The advantage is that it can be separated from the US sea route control. Once the largest world trade market is formed, the United States will be marginalized. The United States will no longer be the central force of the world, and the center of the world will return to Europe, Asia and Africa! This is why the United States is so afraid of the Belt and Road. And China has begun to compete with the United States in high-end manufacturing, so the United States has to do everything to kill China! Including political diplomacy, financial warfare, media public opinion warfare, biological weapons warfare, arms competition, and finally military warfare.
In fact, let us review the history of the world and have a very clear answer. China is a country with a history of civilization of 4000-5000 years. If a country can exist for such a long time, then it must know how to rule the land. Since the World War II and the industrial revolution, the West has begun to become the center of the world, but it has only been two hundred years. Because the short sight of political gaze cannot rule the country for a long time, look at the Mongolian Empire. Historically, Many outside nations have invaded Chinese territory, but they will not rule for more than one hundred years. Because they only use force and no wisdom. Maybe technological force can be a leader in the world for a while, but it won't last long. The reason behind this is the political system!
In the future, the United States will be difficult to compete with China at many levels, such as market size and demand and consumption levels, industry chain, talent pool, political system and reform capabilities.
The port in Sri Landca is an alternative of Singapore. It is not for millitary. No war ships have been deployed there
It will be deployed there eventually. There is no step 2 without step 1. Chinese troops are already there in secret. They only lack the facilities
what is your point? based on your own speculation? Even it will happened in the future, is still based on the mutual benifit of both countries not by forces or arms. Look at US and EU, they deploy their troops and millitary forces all around the world by killing. DId they build any good thing to the local people?
They are deployed at the un request to fight terrorists in Mali and other places. You should be ashamed of making such statement. Canadian peacekeepers, for example, are requested frequently but the nation doesn't have the desire or manpower to deal with these conflicts within nations.
You idiot， US military bases around the world is UN peace keeping forces? UN Peace keeping has no military base, the peacekeeping forces are from countries all over the world such as China, India too
Vinh Bảo. How do you know? Any credible source? Lol
China is a developing nation and in this sense, its policies are designed to create mutually beneficial projects. Many projects as their own governance will continue to need adjustments. The arguments of some of these commentators in an effort to diminish the importance of the relationship and the improvement in the lives of Africans are unfortunate. There is no basis to deny the progress that is being made. These contracts are made by sober-minded adults who see great benefit for both China and the African nations. Colonial contracts only benefited the American and European masters. These are fellow victims of colonization who work hand in hand to improve the lives of people in their nations. Presently, there is only one global leader who is thinking and acting for the benefit of humanity. His name is XI JINPING!! The Chinese nation is ushering in a new phase of world governance and relationships based on the brotherhood of humanity. We have given the American century a chance to the detriment of humanity. Let us try giving peace and peaceful development a chance, through win-win cooperation!!.
I LOVE THE SENEGAL GUY. AFRICA SHINE YOUR EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They all are 👎 no good for 🌍 Africa. Africa got to unite and work together and trade together one Africa work together as one people. Is the answer period
Wait a second, if it is a trap, they are free to reject the offers
Too bad we're not smart enough to build our own countries. Anyone who knows what is a quadratic equation is quickly shipped off the continent of Africa to help build western nations. SMH
During the 60s to the mid-90s, the Chinese government strictly controlled emigration, so that smart and talented people could not leave for the more affluent West. This may have been against the preference of these people at the time, but their talents stayed within the contry to build up China.
I'm not sure how feasible this would be for African nations to have similar policies now, but if they could do so it would at least slow down the brain drain.
2000 Years ago, the Arabs enslaved and colonized Africans. From the year 1450 to 1960 the Europeans enslaved and colonized Africans. From the year 1960 to 2000 the invisible hand of the cold war enslaved and colonized Africans. From 2000 and ongoing the Chinese are enslaving, manipulating and colonizing Africans. Due to his lack of savvy, know how, his predisposition to exploitation, the Chinese have taken advantage of Africa and its rich resources, in fact based on available data both in terms of land acquisition and natural resources over $27 trillion has been unjustly taken through various deals- yet Africans have gotten a meager $280 billion out of those investments. Take the case of Senegal, where the Chinese have recently bought out right their international Airport located in Yioff Senegal, then loan the country $11 billion to build an new airport, nearly 10 times the cost of building an international Airport. In a country with a meager $31 billion PPP [GDP], repaying that loan will be nearly impossible. What the Chinese really want is the Yioff land in Senegal among others . Sadly Senegal will soon join the rank of countries deceived by China the likes of Sri Lanka were the government signed a 99-year lease with the Chinese government to operate their ports and airports. Case in point, the Chinese have and are currently building the biggest deep-seaport port in East Africa near Mombassa Kenya, coupled with biggest military based in Djibouti Africa, millions of miles of rails track throughout East Africa (Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania, Zambia etc… their core objective is both cleared and nefarious, in that the Chinese plant to eventually dump trillion of dollars worth the cheaply made Chinese goods throughout Africa in the Belt and Road Initiative using their tentacles rail network. Recently the Chinese bought out right four additional international airports in West Africa (in Burkina Faso, Togo, the Guinea Bissau, as well as Sierra Leone and Cameroon). In Senegal for instance to build the airport the Chinese loaned Senegal $11 billions1/3 of the country GDP and 11 times the cost of building. When I first visited Senegal in 1985, the country was a fine republic with great potential, recently however (2015), Senegal has become a dump of humanity, the poverty, the decay and years of corruption and incompetence due to the inaptitude of both current and former president Wade. We can most certainly predict, soon enough Senegal like many other Africans will be bounded in chains, this time around however by the Chinese.
I expect our dear sister to stand up for Africa on like African leaders
Al Jazeera does such good quality reporting!
CLmssan The best
Yun Fu how is any of this is isis related??
Win, win!
China gives them big loans at high interest rates and when those poor countries can't pay China comes and takes over the ports,airports,highways etc. We saw what happened in Sri Lanka and most likely will happen to Pakistan as well.
HK Z You know what happens when you fail to service IMF bailout? They make you sell everything to the western corporations, not just a single port. Of course it is done in the name of privatization, so righteously titled.
Never claimed IMF were the nicer ones. China is far worse as they even build military bases.
HK Z Military is unnecessary when you have nothing left.
South Korea and Indonesia took IMF loans and was just fine. The IMF helps clanse both countries of monopolies, cronisme and inefficient governmnet linked companies. China on the other wants to own countries that fail to pay its debts.
hijazzains S.K repaid the IMF loan by having their citizens sold everything of value in their household. And Indonesia sold all their national assets. Cleanse of monopoly? Ha, you mean establish monopoly by the western conglomerate?
USA and Europe have the resources, knowledge and skills but have clearly demonstrated their unwillingness to help Africa to industrialize. When China comes and starts to build infrastructural projects in Africa then it is accused of being a new colonizer and Africa is being seen as naive for accepting these loans to build what it needs. All countries in the world do make loans from other countries from time to time but if it is done by Africa it is wrong! What is Africa expected to do then?
Short answer No, long answer, its complicated. China's main goal is economic gain, not joint benefits. How African countries respond though, may make it beneficial for them too; unless the money is used to bribe official's instead of benefiting the populous , as is unfortunaly often the case.
No, not economic gain. Land and military gain
Nituraa Isn't that the basis of any business?
robspunk Yeah and economic gain too, overland trade routes = economic gain for China. Exploiting natural resources = economic gain for China.
Zsari Maxim Mm kinda ? Normally both sides will have reasonably equal gains from partnership, but in this case China stands to gain a lot more. It's not just in Africa, China is investing all over the world, at the benefit of China's superpower status, but not necessarily at a benefit of the countries they build in. Business investment are supposed to benifit both parties involved(ideally).
Nituraa All businesses are in it for their own gain. Whether any business partnership are beneficial to all parties and how much each party gains from any deal or corporation entirely depends on the bargaining power of each party involved. If you complain about your business partner not handing you enough gain, you shouldn't be entering into that deal in the first place. At the very least China is not going to instigate a regime change on you to make you play ball. If on the other hand you are expecting an hand out, then forget about it. The first thing in economics 101 is there is no such thing as free lunch. China too got to this stage not on largesse but sacrifice.
Hi Mrs. Thibaux, the Senegalese journaliste name is Adama Gaye not Gueye.
THAKS AL JAZEERA 👍👍👍👍👍👍
African culture is eastern like china,defensive not offensive like west,secondly during the cold war,when china was banned from international trade,Africa used to vote against more embargo,lots of African countries used to buy Chinese goods illegally,this kept china afloat and they never forgot!
THE ANSWER IS NO!!!!
Are you a voting European? I would say that only Africans can answer the question.
J A yes I am voting African
E N Africans dont benefit from better infrastructure, hospitals and schools?
Yerisico are you from planet earth?
E N Why dont you answer my question first?
African we love china
china give, china take, total rubbish
Africa stay woke...
Nothing is free in life. Do you think China is rich enough to help build infrastructure in African countries for free?
they are doing business , of course they will take
so u want everything and give nothing in return? just go to beg europe and see what they can offer
I am not from Africa. I am agreeing with you. They just want people to give them free stuff.
Africa need to think balanced if they want to succeed just believe me and move smartly not emotionally...
Peace. In less than three minutes everything China, what did Africa export?
Did Africa benefited from its relationship with America/Britain/France/Germany?
NO!!! There is a STRINGS ATTACHED!
Look at some of the things China does to religious and different groups in China. I fear this ends badly for s lot of African countries that can’t afford to repay loans but I hope I’m wrong but That communism thing doesn’t usually work out.
看了这么多回复，感觉很难过。如果不是公平交易，为什么不拒绝。现在的中国还没有能力控制非洲，而你们为什么不拒绝。既然不拒绝，就不要“端起碗来吃饭，放下碗来砸锅”。既然认为中国有危险，何不只跟白人做生意，那样可能感觉更好。做任何事都有风险，非洲的自主权利还在非洲的手上，何惧之有？说到底，还是因非洲人民为被奴役久了，变得不自信。据我所知，从官方到民间，真的无意控制非洲。中国面临来自美国的企图演变中国的压力，中国需要一个松散的盟友。如果中国控制非洲，就像美国控制日本一样，那么，非洲在国际政治上，对中国就变得没有意义。在国际政治上，打个比方，一个省（日本）对所在国（美国）的支持，能有什么力度。所以，独立自主的非洲对中国才是有帮助的。
总体上还是两方意见都有的，你不可能期待一个大国在国外的互惠行为在国际上得到完全一致的好评，人类就不是这样的物种，不管你是帮他还是害他，总有人说好有人说坏，这都是正常的，尤其半岛电视台又一向是对中国比较不友好的媒体，吸引的观众也会有很多对中国有偏见或反感中共的人。
Look China wants the mineral and natural resources of Africa
Africa wants development, progress, infrastructure trade
China and Africa have interest interest interest
There is no permanent friends or enemies in foreign relationship simple as that
What does the West want? It sends aid presumably to the poor to keep feeding them but never to build? To create a welfare state in African countries to assuage some past guilt/make them dependent?
To get the resources without building anything like in Libya and to install some puppet governments they can control to steal legally.