Your Logic is Circular - Viewers vs Christianity Debate
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"If Darth were to get backed into a corner what would he do?"
He would server mute the corner.
Destiny got server muted in this debate
This is the first time one of these memes have been true
Angel Flores did you miss the nobs debate? he called him an idiot that's an auto loss for destiny
who is nobs and why is he not an idiot?
He's a youtuber that attempts to address bs he sees in society, but he's an idiot, in his debates with Destiny the only 2 things he says are "THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID" when Destiny repeats what he says 2 seconds later and "GOD YOU'RE SO DUMB DUDE"
No bullshit is his name and channel if you want to see some quality logical content ( *heavy sarcasm* )
You disagree with my wrong worldview? MUTED.
Like a true christian.
Simply declaring it to be wrong is just a begging-the-question fallacy.
"Please don't straw-man me" *Muted* "Come back when you can converse like an *adult* "
that iz a ztrawman
Darth is the biggest joke of a human being I have ever seen. How can you sink that low?
give up your mind to a virus.
and let it control all of your thoughts and everything you'll ever say.
NoSteinNoGate Someone hasn't heard of Brett Keane
"Life`s a laugh and Death is the joke..." (Monty Python)
@@theveganwujeeta put these two in a room.
Darth really keeps doing the same thing doesn't he?
Can you [insert random goalpost]?
I'm waiting for an answer - can you [insert random goalpost]?
I'm waiting for an answer - can you [insert random goalpost]?
I'm waiting for an answer - can you [insert random goalpost]?
I'm waiting for an answer - can you [insert random goalpost]?
That's not a genuine answer, can you... Ok nvm you're not conversing like an adult (apparently) you're server muted bye.
OH AND LET'S NOT FORGET Darth's goalpost seems to be around proving the negative - how do we Atheists prove that God doesn't exist, which is just simply an untenable position to argue and isn't what Athiesm is about, it's a disagreement and dissatisfaction of the argument and proof of gods existen- [server muted]
Seriously Destiny where do you find circlejerk like this?
Debate skills = Master of flow chart reading... and that flow chart is a giant ass circle.
Sir, you're gonna learn real fast that if you keep disproving the servant of his lord then I will server mute you, bye.
"How do you perceive the world?"
"My senses."
"Your senses are axiomatic."
"How do you know god isn't axiomatic?"
"Divine revelation.
" "How did you perceive that divine revelation?"
"Bye bye, if we're not going to talk about this like adults, we're done here. Muted."
Wtf? Just cruising through some old Destiny debates and I find you here? Love your videos btw
@Kategari I'm really hoping, come 2 years since this wonderful comment, that you were able to find much more ...... *_quality circlejerk_*
If you are not going to converse in the way I want you to, I won't listen to you.
Can't lose the debate if there isn't one I guess
The Actual Centrist centrist DansGame
Darth Dawkins loves his SIRcular logic
Thank you for this! Lol
His asSIRtions are SIRtainly SIRcular in nature SIR! If you disSIRgree with him you will SIRley be SIRver banned SIR!
These guys are legit comic book characters
@Delta 38 yep, ‘my god Glork told me how everything works, so if you say ANYthing about how stuff works, you believe in Glork. Checkmate!’
wow Destiny failed to falsify the Christian God in this debate
It's almost as if it's a unfalsifiable proposition!
Mark Burgess, I detect a slightly sarcastic tone in ur comment. *SERVER MUTED*
Just wondering is the Christian God the same God of Judaism and Islam?
Thecornerstone 33 No the Christian god is a triune god (3 in 1) the others are different, or at least a false view of the same god (according to christians)
what again, he really needs a defeater.
Why do people debate this clown? This is clearly just a power trip for him, he obviously doesn't care about "finding the truth" to his questions.
And thing is, how does he keep not realizing how ridiculous and ironic his position is when people play the same game with him that he plays with them which is "How can you know what you claimed?"
He then goes babyrage mode says they're being childish.
He does it because he's clearly addicted to the feeling of having power over others, its why he constantly reminds people he will ban them/mute them, etc. His arguments are completely secondary for him.
TheGreatslyfer when you base your entire life on an irrationality, you will do anything to uphold your irrational perspective. Especially if you're like Darth the dumbass and you don't care about actually finding truth
Oh God that profile picture
They're just feeding his ego and giving him the attention he craves. I'm not sure why they put up with it.
"do you use your observations to interpret the bible" end the debate.
Yeah but the issue is he’ll say “god has ordained me to perceive things without question” there’s literally nothing to gain by talking to him
@@prototyrant369 You can answer " How do you know that?" They will fall into the same epistemic circularity as everyone else, sooner or later
so he says someone has to answer his question without him further explaining the meaning of his question and when the same happens to him he server mutes everybody? No wonder he thinks he wins all his debates when he always avoids questions he can't answer.
Sir, SIR CIRCULAR
The problem with Darth is that he has no interest in an honest debate. The best you can do is get him to admit that the only way he can justify his rational is to prove god exists, otherwise his logic is circular. He will refuse to answer because he can't willingly concede or his whole argument falls apart
KarneeKarnay I don't get this criticism. All epistemologies are circular and this Dark guy sure is a poor philosopher but the circularity shouldn't invalidate him.
@@autisticphaglosophy7128 have you heard him? It's not that he doesn't accept he employs circular logic, it's that he think his logic is justified because he believes in god. Which is dumb because believe by it's nature is unjustified, but he disputes this and the only way for him to maintain the position must be to prove god existence, but he will never let you get to this point. He will never engage in honest discourse.
KarneeKarnay It's an amateur form of transcendental argumentation. I wouldn't say his particular formulations or line of reasoning is good probably due to lack of philosophical training but it's valid in the way the originals proponents of the argument put it.
Autistic Phaglosophy using that argument he will ask the other if they can justify their basic presuppositions and they can't. No one can, but he will claim his is justified because of god. He will then refuse to accept that his belief in god is an unjustified presupposition and will refuse to engage in any sort of discourse beyond claiming that because you can't justify a presupposition you can't have any basis for logic or reason, therefore there is no point in talking to you.
the point is that nothing outside of God can be responsible for the universe and the order in it.
Terrible debate when the moderator is the one who’s also debating, walking on a thin line and if he’s triggered it’s an instant mute
Stop platforming Darth. He has a good voice so people will believe his crap but he's so intellectually dishonest and hypocritical. He doesn't want to argue or seek truth, he just wants to be right and grandstand.
A good voice? He sounds like an obese high school gym teacher.
You’re getting server muted, little boi. Bye-byeeeeee~!
but he's funny
This guy is so sad. He has the mannerism of a pompous elitist but the mental capacity of a raisin. He takes himself way too seriously. I can imagine him talking to his wife about not cooking a dinner in the proper way. "I'm waiting for an answer. Can you explain to me why you left it in for 22mins in stead of the previously stated 25 minutes found on the instruction booklet aforementioned" depr derp
Destiny got circled in this debate
Title memes.
You destroyed me in this debate
YOU DARE ASK ME TO VERIFY WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, YOU CHILD! REEEEEEEEEEEEE
You're gonna learn *REAL FAST*
This guy has an extremely bad god complex and feels the need to be the one with the power and control. Same goes for the religious dude he is debating B)
Destiny let's get some KFC and talk about circular logic before KFC man shows up.
I'm gonna sue you for using my voice
Rem the Bath Boi eggs dee
Rem the Bath Boi please dont
Rem, you get points for trying to convince Destiny to play CK2. It's the best.
Destiny, it's been so long, for the love of God PLEASE FALSIFY THE CHRISTIAN GOD, WHERE'S YOUR DEFEATER!?!?!?11?!?!?!
God is not real there done
"🅱️enis"
Smash-ter as soon as I read this comment the nigga pops in and says it
IM Wercs oof it really do be like that
I wonder why you would want to discuss anything with such a pompous fool as Darth. Regardless, in his lead question he asks, "What does everything ultimately depend on for its being?" and thereby commits a fallacy of many questions. He first needs to ask, "Is there some unique thing that everything ultimately depends on for its being?" Before that, he needs to clarify what he means by "ultimately depends on". Is it a causal thing, as in that which caused something is the ground of its being? Or perhaps he is asking about constitution, as in a table depends for its being on the wood from which it was made, which depends on the cells which compose the wood, which depend on molecules that make up the cells, and so on? Or is he (most likely) alluding to some unique metaphysical relationship which is neither causal not constitutive (and which therefore we have no empirical evidence that such a relationship can or does exist in any case)?
I suppose it's the same reason that rational people try to post something, anything on The_Donald right before they get permabanned.
One of my favorite bits is when he says "we have 61 people, and not one knuckle dragging amethyst can assert-" Me: "Yeah, they can't assert shit because you server mute them whenever you come across some shit that you don't have a pre-programmed answer for."
Destiny, please turn the gameplay volume down during discussions and debate!
Agreed, I could barely hear the interesting discussion over the game sounds at times (especially around the 1 hour mark when they were discussing why you should/shouldn't vote).
Nah, you are both server muted now byebye
This guy is so stubborn. If you make any valid argument he just mutes.
Who?
@@adriangomez2547 Darth. Sorry for the delay
Darth Dawkins actually sounds very much like an apologist named "Matt Slick" who not only sounds massively like him, voice-wise, but he also has a lot of the same arguments as Matt Slick, down to presuppositional apologetics and the laws of logic.
Lol I've talked to Matt, he's actually more insufferable than darth Dawkins
Can you lower the volume level of the games you're playing? Jesus.
Stratahoovius can you falsify the existence of this game volume?
SIR SIR, you haven't answered my question!
Aaaand you're muted. ;)
yes he can, it's in the options. what kind of question is this?
Can he lower the volume of the other guy instead?
The best comeback for "Your logic is circular." is *"Your mom is circular!!"*
You shouldn't even start debating the finer details of his position until he properly justifies choosing christianity over every other religion.
Not good enough. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. But I can see your point. Even this question might get morons like DD going on about his circular reasoning.
"Can you debate like an adult?"
"Okay server muted byeeee"
What a human being
This is a hot meme that I’m ready to take in tomorrow
Has anyone asked these characters how they would oppose the existence of a different god if their adherents argued for their existence in the same way?
Yes, many have and he just repeats what he usually days. It's nonsensical and there's no point in trying to have any kind of discourse with him. He's an illectual black hole and masterful troll.
Yeah, they will say that they share the same epistemic circular principle with those people as in that they both believe that all facts derive from God but they might disagree about theological points, like the trinity or whatever. But this argument is specificly applied to shut up the unbeliever.
GameSound WAY too loud.
Benny Z ikr?
I SERVER MUTED YOU, GOD TOLD ME TO
Believeing in God is pure faith and faith is believing without proof. There is no way anyone can prove the existence of God logically.
CAN YOU FALSIFY THE CHRISTIAN GOD?!
God ordained his own falsification
oh god who is he talking to, this guy is off the rails
I think this guy is my state representative.
Darth: (10:03)"He says he denies that any metaphysically intelligible statements can be made. Now is that statement intelligible?" Yes, and false. But it happens to be an epistemological claim, not a metaphysical claim.
(13:05) "The word 'meta' means above, and 'physical' of course means physical. It means that which is above nature, or that which ultimately accounts for, or is the foundation for that."
Darth's etymology is completely wrong, in addition to being contradictory ("that which is above" and also the foundation"?). They Stanford Dictionary of Philosophy says, "The word ‘metaphysics’ is derived from a collective title of the fourteen books by Aristotle that we currently think of as making up Aristotle's Metaphysics. Aristotle himself did not know the word. (He had four names for the branch of philosophy that is the subject-matter of Metaphysics: ‘first philosophy’, ‘first science’, ‘wisdom’, and ‘theology’.) At least one hundred years after Aristotle's death, an editor of his works (in all probability, Andronicus of Rhodes) titled those fourteen books “Ta meta ta phusika”-“the after the physicals” or “the ones after the physical ones”-the “physical ones” being the books contained in what we now call Aristotle's Physics. The title was probably meant to warn students of Aristotle's philosophy that they should attempt Metaphysics only after they had mastered “the physical ones”, the books about nature or the natural world-that is to say, about change, for change is the defining feature of the natural world." Thus "meta" in that context, means after, not above.
Destiny should argue from the position of a pagan and just argue for a nonchristian god and see if darth changes anything.
"If I get fucking zero'd I'm gonna fuckin' ki- hate all of you"
holy fk destiny needs to lower his gameplay volume....
Agree
Dark Lord Destiny Has Risen
Ok literally darth is wrong on pretty much anything.when i was 15 i sat down and chose my own faith. Christianity Islamic and Buddhism. And i chose Christianity cause on the outside it looks wholesome and my faith doesnt go farther than to have something to believe rather than nothing, and i accept that it may seem bad but i rather have faith in something than nothing i can’t prove god doesn’t exist but i can’t sit their and judge atheist because i can’t prove he real. Those debates should stop right then and there. Darth just needs to chill.
Edit: both sides are vacuous and literally two sides of the same coin can’t prove he’s real can’t prove he’s not.
Darth: "He said that no statement is metaphysically intelligible. The question is, is _that_ statement intelligible?"
Me: "Well - yeah. I mean, you just repeated his statement back to me, and I understood it. And so did you, independently of whether or not you agree with it, otherwise, how would you know to memorize and repeat it back to me in the first place?"
You do not know either. Bootstrapping
If truth doesn't exist, wouldnt that mean that the claim ''truth doesn't exist'' wouldn't exist lol?
The claim would exist but it wouldnt be true.
Almost 2 hrs and he probably server mutes him 75% of the time lol
Darth is right. You can laugh all you want but this isn't some trivial matter.
💀funny joke
13:55
Let me blast this shit game full volume so viewers can't hear the reason they are actually watching for
You guys think that Darth has a "script" but the reality is... it's simply not possible to defend any worldview other than the Christian worldview. And the reasons for this & the ways to showing this is the case will be similar against any worldview.
If he's using a script this would just mean it should be even EASIER for you guys to actually defeat him, since you'd already know what he's going to say. So why can't you defeat him? Why?
The criticism that the Christian worldview utilizes circularity is very ignorant. ALL worldviews use circular reasoning when appealing to their ultimate standard for truth, so that isn't a valid criticism against any of them. The fallacy is on YOUR end to argue as if only the Christian worldview does that. This is epistemology 101 material that all ultimate standards for truth require circularity, guys.
This was informative to listen to how Atheists talk when Darth isn't actually there to defend himself. The entire mood is completely different. You're all very confident about how dumb he is (for stupid reasons like "he uses circular reasoning to defend his worldview") but as soon as you're actually debating Darth and he can defend himself, the mood completely changes.
If he's "just mentally disturbed" then it should be a piece of cake to defeat his position. *why can't you?*
Do you leave comments on every Darth video? I swear you come into the comments and try to defend his honor in every video I’ve seen of him
Also, him having a script doesn’t make him easier to argue with. He doesn’t argue in good faith. If you don’t answer a question the way he likes he’ll keep on bombarding you with the same question until you submit, he’ll talk over you, deny any answer you give with “that’s not an answer,” and eventually he’ll just mute you. Better to not engage with a brain dead, knuckle-dragging moron like Darth to begin with. I’m glad you’re impressed by him though
The point is that just because you have AN explanation for the way things are doesn’t make it the way things are. The position of “I’m not exactly sure why we and the rest of the universe exists” is inherently different from “god is why the universe exists” and does not require proof in the same way.
The Christian worldview attempts to assert knowledge of things the secular worldview does not.
Listening to a religon debate while watching some sc2 , life is good.
This Darth guy is a big elaborate troll right? Lmao
Darth already entrapped Destiny. How can a Gnome converse like a big boi?
Destiny got circled in the geometry test.
Honest Darth lil
Gotta let this meme bake at 350F for a day before I look at it in the 'morrow.
The funniest things about Darth here are that he is arguing in bad faith. The schools of thought he is arguing with, have developed past the dogma that he is arguing is the end of that truth.
Not that dogma is inherently negative.
Of all the things that could've created the universe, why is it an entity, let alone an intentional master of ours? God is arbitrarily a creator of the universe, no more than a molecule of water.
If there is anything to be of utmost gratiousness toward, to attribute all mankind's greatness and innovation toward, it would be ability of abstraction. To create logical constructs that function in real world contexts.
Whatever part of the brain that permits these functions, is the direct extension of your identity and all of mans capability.
Dart: "I don't tolerate childishness" because I'm the only crybaby that can be here
is this a reupload?
honeyspoon I don't think so since he's playing StarCraft
no?
no?
I'm four minutes in and find this guy to be absurd? He muted someone for giving an answer he didn't like, muted someone for talking over someone (even though the guy said there was a delay), muted someone for giving too simplistic of an answer and muted someone for giving too complex of an answer
No blasphemy in my Christian minecraft Christian server! You're server muted!
The conversation after Darth Darwin is nice and fun
Who know discord would become the bastion for both philosophers and loli lovers?
11:36 "Who the hell keeps screaming 'Penis' in chat?" LMAO
Oh my god... it's Rem... is he... coming to the rescue? For once? I don't like this... questioning my presupposition that I hate Rem... but someone worse than Rem exists... I knew I hated epistemology. I really hope no one brings up Kant in this discussion.... 5 minutes in, fingers crossed.
How do you expect these videos to be watchable with sc2 noises constantly interrupting?
42:59 "I wrote a paper on this... I argued that... I argued that..." oh god...
Darth is touchy
“See this what happens when you debate a white belt atheist”
Darthy circular reasoning Dawkins
Destiny just ignores his friend to play a game that is so me when someone talks about vague philosophy
god damn i want this philosophy student sounding dude to recommend me books to read
Ugh is this one even worth watching? Is there any content here that isn't just ultimately frustrating due to Darth acting like a complete child and never letting anyone else speak?
pfthaahaahahhaahahahaaha, is this guy for real? I mean fucking seriously ???????? He has to be trolling!
wait a minute.....does it really take 2 hours to vote in America??
does darth ever talk about non-christian deities? what makes the christian god any more relevant that the muslim god or any other monotheistic religion?
Just assert that the ultimate metaphysical basis is bacon. Why, you ask? Because it has been ordained to me by pork.
great-debate-community.wikia.com/wiki/Darwins_Deity he's either insane or playing a character. it's kinda funny to listen to him but there's no real point in listening to this dude
Is this Rem the bathboi? I'm waiting for Batman
Tell him you want to talk about Jesus next time.
If he is a real christian he will chang the topic straight away
Anyone who mutes as much as this guy should realize that they aren’t good at debating.
Darth omg hail to Darth our savior repetitions talker
can someone explain to me what the fuck a "metaphysically viable statement" is?
I’ve talked personally to Dart Dawkins. I have been in the presence of greatness
NOOOOOOOOO DARTH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...... WAIT A MINUTE DARTH NOOOOOOOOO (Server muted)
I dont agree with either side you cant yell and mob tactic a debate it dosnt work and is immature.
In order to dislike stinky cheese you must first LIKE stinky cheese.
Funny and sad at the same time . Darth the Moran.lol
As a Catholic, Darth pisses me off with his bullshit to no end.
Darth Dawkins making arguments for Islam.
I'm a Christian but this guy us an embarrassment lol
immediately the guy has a script he's trying to push the other guy through. 3 seconds in, and I think the answer he WANTS is Kalaam. "Everything that begins to exist has a cause." I'm sorry, that's the revised version. the original was "Everything has a cause" which was defeated when opponents said, "okay, so what caused God?" "Shit" said the apologists, before revising it.
it's only circular if you don't break the circle with accepting any statement of TRUTH.
You keep rejecting the truth and therefore it seems "circular"
Run 🏃♀️ forest run. Lol