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One thing to consider in this is not all the military people would be against the citizenry. Much of the military from buck privates to generals would side with the citizenry and take whatever tanks, artillery pieces, whatever is mobile with them and sabotage what is not. Also, if the military just bombed everyone into oblivion there'd be no one left to rule which would rather defeat the purpose of being a tyrant. There are at least 100 million Americans with 300 million guns and trillions of rounds of ammunition. Also, armies need food and their food comes from the private sector. If the military turned against the citizenry just how much food do you think would be making it to the military bases?
@@Anon54387 sadly history says PaP the god of Pension and Pay check rules over a lot of men and the ones the don't quit before and no longer are in the place to help
Two things. The revolutionary war and the civil war. American civilians will stand up to the govt if they push too many buttons. There are teasons we have militias in the US. There are also 3% groups all over the country. It is said that only 3% of Americans stood up to and fought the British.
I definitely wouldn't put another civil war to the side.
@@Anon54387 This is what no one understands about the citizens, the majority of servicemen and women take their oaths very seriously and would not turn on it's own family's. You hear people all the time saying that the troops would wipe out a civil war within days but they are only thinking that 100% of the troops would act against their oaths and that isn't true at all. In the end the citizens along with troops that will not act upon a tyrannical government's orders would win.
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It's a statue. It's based on a famous photo of the American flag being planted on the island of Iwo Jima and a Marine Corp memorial monument.
When JFK signed the Special Forces Act in the early 60's, he told the enlisted Green Berets and SEALs that if the government ever went tyrannical, their job would be to go AWOL out into the U.S. and teach people how to fight the government.
Training (foreign) militias is pretty much the Green Beret's bread and butter so that kinda makes sense.
@@robertsmith4681 An Airborne Ranger told me that in 1976, I tried to research it and got nowhere until the internet came along. In 2014 a former Intel vet (Iraq) said that was still passed down verbally among NCOICS.
I didn't know that. Nice.
JFK wanted to destroy the USA.
Truth
Millions of veterans in US. We know how the military plans and reacts. Uniforms must follow Geneva Convention, we don't.
You hit the nail on the head. Military has ROE... Insurgency does not.
The military could never overtake us! Thank you for your service. 😊
3% of Americans own half the guns in the country , and many of them are vets who were trained by Uncle Sam . I feel pity for any private that follow unlawful orders .
Geneva convention..never heard of her
only 3 percent of the people own guns? fucking false!
Problem. The veterans of those insurgent wars are now civilians. They know exactly what the military is going to do.
Half of the military would go to the civilian side almost immediately if there were events by the military against civilians.
and have more powerful weapons that are capable and trained for long range hits from concealed positions
@@rg20322 Idk, they did get many of the critical trinkets out with their Vaccine Mandates, and poor recruitment.
@@rg20322 Almost entirely from the combat forces too. The Infantry refuse to go against the Constitution.
In every State, the Veteran plate, FTA, is taken.
Says something about how pissed off our ex Grunts are... 😅
1.5 million military members. 16.5 US veterans. We've all sworn an oath to the Constitution. Not the Government.
I think that there are about 15 million hunting licenses sold every year in the United States. That is 15 million people who get up long before sunrise, go into the forest, and stay there in the freezing cold . . . for fun. The number of deer tags alone are more than the size of any army that ever existed in the world.
The hunters in 4 northern states alone, outnumber any military in the world!!! Add the other 46, and it's insane!!! But I do believe the military would split in the case of a civil war, depending on their beliefs, and values!
They don’t take into account that our military takes an oath to the constitution so a lot would stand down or go over to the citizens. Also there are millions of vets in this country who know how to fight.
There is an act that's been in place for a 150 some odd years that disallows the US military from carrying weapons or fighting within the country. State national guards can do so. THE Posse Comitatus Act.
@@cygnusx-3217 yep,,,military is run by the president commander in chief,,,did you miss that part??
@@bill45colthe's the commander and chief but besides the Marine Corps he can't do anything without the approval of Congress
@@JustMe-gn6yf i hope so
@@cygnusx-3217 i cant,,,,im not current on international affairs as you think i am,,,sorry,,,they dont consult me
Don't forget a couple things. One, most soldiers would let their own family stay alone, they'd leave the service to protect their own. And, two, consider how many of us "civilians" are trained military vets.
And are armed and know how to shoot and don't trust the government lol. That's a lot of people. Plus no government would destroy the entire population and land by carpet bombing the whole country or using nukes. It would be much more targeted with drones and checkpoints, sort of like Afghanistan. Last time I checked the US didn't win that one.
Right .
And three the US government has never won a guerilla war. They would lose the American public no doubt in my mind.
And we know how to use the equipment, where it is kept, and how to take it.
@@rentalguy1 and if your like me I have the civilian version of the weapons I use in the US Army 11B
We used to game this scenario when I was in the military, at the Pentagon. Short of full-scale deployment of tanks, artillery bombers etc.?... the US military stood zero chance against it's own people. There are currently over 100 Million civilians, most with some military training in the US, Others are hunters (fun fact: the hunting licenses sold every year? would make those people the largest 'military' in the world). There are currently about 300k actual combat focused troops at best. The majority of the Military is support. Research shows that, if order to go to combat wth it's own citizens?.. 95% attrition rate, leaving 15000 troops to fight a door to door counter-insurgency war against maybe 1/3 of the armed civilians, as 2/3 of the civilians would not engage... until the first picture of dead women and children were shown. Take also, into account that the 95% of the military that defected, most likely with their weapons back into society?... are now also engaged in the fight against the government. I think we can all see the spiraling mess here. Best case estimates?.. the military might take a month of fighting before they are defeated. Worst case (for the gov't) a weekend, as the soldiers defying the illegal orders and federal/state/local law enforcement would simply imprisoned the 5% that remained. After that there's a mess of military/civilian tribunals, public executions... more responses to that as violence died down, people protest the executions, violence re-escalates... civil war, insurgency skyrockets, pockets of resistance both pro/anti government... battles for power... the US would go somewhat mad-max with huge gangs/militias. Then.. let's not even start with another country trying to step in while we are fighting ourselves. That last part, oddly enough, is what would begin to "right the ship" as all these disparate militias/gangs could focus on fighting an external force. Then we could go off on different tangents as to whether the invaders used nukes, or wanted to preserve the infrastructure for themselves, etc. I think we turned in an over 1000 page report (which btw,.. would make an awesome series!). I could go off for another several paragraphs but my fingers are tired.
Curious, did the mil take into account the amount of competition shooters? While not a large segment of the population if even a few got together they could present a unique problem. (Especially if they are prior mil with CQB training/experience)
Biggest point you bring up that I concur with is force attrition. If anything were to kick off most troops would say f this and they would go home to their families. Kind of cracks me up when people bring up using national guard for any kind of unjust "gun grab" scenarios. While not totally out of the question people need to remember that most Guard troops don't want to go against their own communities. Who wants to go against their neighbor? "Sorry Jim, I'm going to need to confiscate your firearms". Nope, not happening. Why? Sooner or later you have to go home and live next door to Jim again. Take Jim's stuff and chances are he won't be very forgiving.
@@oif3vetk9I was going to ask the same, as my boyfriend is a competition shooter.
@@oif3vetk9 I've been convinced that thits scenario is why the military is going woke with stupid shit like drag shows on a Navy ship. They want less patriotic soldiers and more mindless sheep. I don't know a single person who has or is serving who wouldn't be tempted to shoot the general or any military bureaucrat for the treason of ordering an attack on civilians. I think we'd see a military coup before they'd attack their own people.
Assume no defections. Assume the fight is against our military and not just the government. Assume technical superiority is brought to bear. What you then have is a long, protracted guerrilla war.
@@Xochiyolotl Irrelevant assumptions. There is 0% chance we wouldn't see mass defections. A civil war/revolution is an actual possibility. A treasonous military as a whole is not.
As an 🏴Englishmen and an infantry vet of the British (1PWO/Yorkshire Regiment) and US Army my family household has 2 more guns then there is family members.
Definitely know why the 2A is important especially after what happend during the coof theatrics from 2020
Ensuring that the citizenry always has the upper hand against the state, is the entire reason for the second amendment ....
It’s not the reason for the second amendment, which includes the words “well regulated” and related to a state government run militia.
@@mikeg.4211 Not true that is a leftist rewrite. Here is what the founders said of who the militia are:
“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
Richard Henry Lee
So learn a bit of history before spewing nonsense.
“Regulated” meaning adequately armed and proficient with those arms. The second amendment does not require membership in any militia as a condition required to be met before you can keep and bear arms. The people being armed and proficient in those arms is a prerequisite to forming well regulated militias.
@@mikeg.4211 every able bodied man,,,is the militia,,,,read your history
@@brianphillips8228 Correct, every able bodied American is expected to be proficient with arms, in order to facilitate the raising of a militia should the need for one ever arise again. A militia is a different thing than a standing Army.
There is probably 70 times more military veterans in America than active duty which plays a huge factor
Not to mention.... Most of the deadliest weapons wouldn't be put to use. She says "just bomb them" but who are they gonna bomb? They aren't gonna just bomb themselves 😂
Not just veterans: OIF and OEF veterans. Vets who have spent two decades in a clinic on how to beat the US Military while using almost no resources.
See my above comment.
Also, not to mention that a ton of servicemen will not serve depending on who the President is.
@@JACpotatosNot to mention how bad it would look if the US military is blowing up innocent civilians that want nothing to do with this hypothetical conflict.
When I was active US Army (E-7 Retired) - I was taught - and in turn taught my soldiers - that our oath was to defend the nation AND the constitution - including against our own corrupt leaders and government if need be. The lessons of Lt Callie and My Lai were still fresh as a reminder of every soldier's duty to resist an illegal order. I hope I would have supported the side that I felt was morally right
This is why a constitutional monarchy that we have here I'm the u.k. is a good thing , the primeminiser is not top dog the King is and he is always mindful of the publics needs and wants . You have your president who is not answerable to anyone .
@Clare Gale not true, the president can be replaced by Congress and/or by his cabinet.
@Clare Gale I also think that Brits like to think that the king is boss, but that is just an illusion. We're always hearing. About The united kingdom having a referendum on whether or not to keep the monarchy. Yet you never hear one about keeping the position of prime minister. That tells you who is really in charge
A president that truly does not have the support of the majority of our elected officials would have very limited powers if push came to shove.@@claregale9011
As a Ranger of 8 years who served in Afghanistan and Iraq... look at how "untrained citizens" did against our military over the last 20 years. They are now in control of the region and we left with our tails between our legs
Myself and many that I have served and bled with would not go against our own people, families and friends. HOOAH!
The U.S. is unique in that it was founded through revolt rather than domination. As a nation, we value defense over offense. It's important to remember that if there ever is another civil conflict, we won't stand for an oppressive government, no matter what party they represent. The government tries to keep us divided because they know that united we stand, divided we fall. I hope we never have to face another civil conflict, but history has shown that we will stand up for what we believe in. Let's stay united and keep defending our values.
Amen.
As an American citizen and an American military veteran, I can tell you, beyond any shadow of doubt, the "military" would lose, in less than a week.
A big part of the reason is, the vast, vast majority of active military members would side with the American citizens.
That's why they got rid of patriots with the covid mandate, and are currently trying to recruit drag queens.
A defection of NCOs would complicate operations and those remaining in service would be potentially double agents in malicious compliance. E4 and above could cripple commands. That is not counting commissioned officers with conscience.
@@CaptainFrost32 Never get between the E4 Mafia and their dedication to avoid work.
I dont understand why people's brains can't comprehend this. They seem to really buy into the whole military brain washing thing when the reality is the exact opposite. It took me about 4 months in the service to realize you can't believe anything the government or the media says. It's all just propaganda
@dakarn 😂
The fact that people think the military would take our government side rather than the civilians seriously need to study the American military
Tim Taylor.
I would agree with you on this statement 10 years ago. Not so much anymore, I honestly don't know how that would play out. While I do hope they would choose to defend the constitution and the American citizens, with all the bullshit that's being taught and infiltration of progressive ideology I'm not so sure.
It would be split to say the least. A high probability is the military wouldn't take either side and would just deter foreign adversaries.
There is ZERO chance we could lose to the military. IF that were to happen , almost all the military would turn on the government. We are the military. Every man that signs up wants to serve the country. Not the government.
@@lauralee83 Well said, better than I did but that's exactly what I meant
@Tim Taylor Thanks Tim , great comment as well 😊
I Am a combat veteran. My biggest concern is the political tribalism taking over my country. When I was younger I didn’t think military leaders would ever allow the us military turned on the civilian population. With our enemies stoking the divide between red and blue; this seems more likely. Americans don’t back down from a fight so this conflict will be bloody if it ever comes.
If their was ever a war between the two, I'm pretty sure we all know which side would win almost instantly.... I don't identify with either, but there's a clear winner
The fight will come, unfortunately, and the nation won't survive. And the world will fall straight-way after.
@@JACpotatos I think in that fight the nation as a whole loses regardless of which side wins. I simply don't share you certainty on the outcome. One side is really good with firearms but is most overweight with many healthcare issues. The other side hates guns but runs marathons, hikes, bikes and eats like a rabbit. I trained soldiers for 22 years. I can teach a soldier to improve their marksmanship in a day up to a week. It takes at least six weeks to make distinguishing gain to their physical fitness (and that's when they are just below the military's minimum standards). Shooting a gun is only 1 of 1000 things a soldier must know to be effective.
@@mabutoo ...... You're just showing your bias, but alright... If we wanted to use actual stats, then one side would be mostly military, ex-military, farmers, etc. The other would be those from more urban areas typically, and unarmed for the most part.
Both sides would vary in physical health conditions, daily activities, etc.
But yes, it would be a net negative. For that reason, and those listed above, this "war" would never actually happen.
@mabutoo I don't think weight would be a problem for anyone 3 weeks after the supply chain shuts down. Even fit people are going to need calories and they will be robbing their neighbors for food if they are not prepared for supply chain disruptions.
I'm about 1 minute in, haven't watched the video yet, but already I'm gonna say, unless the government resorts to nuclear weapons they don't stand a chance.
There are many ways to destroy a tank, many veterans know these methods because they're trained to destroy tanks without tank support of their own. Many of those veterans with all that training are "civilians" now, and the vast majority of them hate the government more than your average American civilian AND they often train their friends and relatives for exactly this situation.
There are multiple "schools" (for lack of a better term) in the US that teach civilians how to fight in combat against more powerful enemies. And multiple countries have waged fairly successful wars against large organized militaries by employing guerilla and insurgent tactics.
Take into account also that a massive portion (I'd wager a hefty majority, but we'll stick with just a 50/50 split) of the military would turn against the government before they turned on their own families, and there's no way the government could win without resorting to nuclear bombings and then what have they won? A radioactive rock pile.
Even with nukes, it won't do much good. If it were, say, lefties rebelling they would work as lefties tend to be concentrated into the major cities. Indepenents and conservatives are spread out all over the place. It would take so many nuclear strikes to make enough of a dent to win the war that they'd kill off the rest of the country from the fallout. The opposite is true here. If one ballistic missile submarine defects, the military and government have to face the very real and credible threat that if they didn't make peace or surrender, their troop concentrations in the field, bases, or even cities (if it got that bad) could be nuked.
Lol I use 85 15 as my split. And I still think I'm being generous. Anyone whose been through basic training knows the government isn't your friend. It is nothing but a power hungry corporation
I literally just watched a video of Yemen rebels destroying an M1A1 that had been abandoned by the crew by lighting a fire in the open hatch and shoving a bunch of random wood inside. Basically for the cost of a lighter, they destroyed a multi million dollar piece of equipment.
@@hisdudeness8328 there's multiple ways, anything that damages the track links enough that one breaks has immobilized it, tanks are actually super vulnerable in modern combat (and especially urban combat) and the reigning doctrine is that infantry is to be accompanying at all times as protection for the tank. It's a symbiotic relationship, the tank is big and intimidating and is the more tempting target meaning the infantry is "theoretically" less likely to be targeted, and the tank can hopefully survive at least a couple hits and give the infantry long enough to kill the threat, and the infantry is there to kill the threat as quickly as possible because traversing the turret takes time and an attack almost never comes from where the cannon is pointing.
If the civilians have the initial advantage with the amount of military vets that would be involved all military equipment seized would be put into use giving the civilians an increasing amount of power backed by a unmatchable amount of man power. Registered hunters in our country out man the military 88 to 1.
As a former Navy Operation Specialist, I have looked at this scenario before, in fact, many studies have been done on exactly this subject and in all I looked at, the US citizens would win in just a few months, if not weeks. The reason the US Military would fail is because it is made up of citizens. In the studies I saw, the estimate was that at least half the military would AWOL and join their families and the resistance. Of those remaining loyal to the now hostile military force, how many of those are still loyal to the citizenship and only stay to provide intelligence on military movement and to conduct espionage operations. Keep in mind that as half the military revolts, we retain possession of roughly half the military facilities we occupy so we have access to the same equipment and resources as the rogue military elements. This scenario is repeated across the majority of the research I read which the government routinely requisitions from military think tanks. Somehow, they never seem happy with the results of the studies but they help me sleep at night. Just my thoughts. God bless America.
Has anyone done studies on what it would look like 20 years from now?
With kids in school being taught to hate our county, and the military spending more and more time and resources on going woke, how will that change things going forward?
@@jenm6836 Impossible to calculate
I don't think the rest of the world can fathom that we are not afraid to commit violence. we have a long fuse and a lot of patience, but when push comes to shove, we shove back hard, and usually, loss of life would happen.
This is the exact reason why in the US we have the 2nd amendment (the right to bear arms), so that if the govt turns against the citizens then the citizens can turn against the govt.
One factor to consider on this is, if the order to attack the civilians is given by a tyrannical or inept government, then its a pretty good bet that the military is going to tell the government to pound sand. And the military isn't going to blindly follow the orders of a government that is willing to sacrifice their own citizens to remain in power
i actually think quite a lot of people in the military would just follow orders. the entire purpose of our education system and military training is to make people into obedient cogs who don't resist. There's a reason some police departments wont allow some applicants because their IQ is too high. if you're too smart you're more likely not to simply trust but to first consider what you're being asked to do. i do however think many wouldn't just follow orders too. i dont think they're all order followers but if the covid years taught me anything its that tons of city cops are more than happy to just follow orders even if they violate the constitution they swore an oath to.
Today I wouldn't be so sure.
The Biden administration has been active in rooting out solders with ethics or integrity.
More guns than gun owners yes but a lot of people who don't own guns are friends of people that do😊
And when SHTF, it’ll be my neighbor saying ‘look under your seat… You get a gun and You get a gun and You get a gun…’
Plus, and this is kind of morbid but, there will be a lot of bodies. And unlike videogames the guns don't just disappear.
@@jamestickle3070 your neighbor is gun oprah? thats awesome
@@jamestickle3070 lol ok Oprah
@@jamestickle3070 lol ok Oprah
as a vet, I took an Oath to the Citizens not the Government
Before covid i think we had a good chance of the military being gutted and in turmoil. But during covid they removed a lot of the people that would be the defectors.
Also many national guard and reservists would joint the insurgents against a tyrannical government which would add ammo, ammunition, weapons, gear, vehicles, planes and tanks. They won’t use nukes and try to avoid destruction of infrastructure. And there would be turncoat active duty people as well.
its not joining civilians it is literally our duty to fight on behalf of the state and civilians of the state, we are to distribute near peer equipment and communications, access to artillery support, medevac, etc the Air Nat Guard is who enforces all No fly zone and restricted airspace over Continental US
@@aviator2252 your missing the point that’s great on paper but the people will decide if they follow order or not. Some states will order the guard to join with the federal government and some will say to fight the federal government. And even in the states that have the guard fight with the tyrannical government no guarantee the guard personnel will follow those orders.
Yamamto supposedly said he would never invade america cause there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Wheather he said it or not it is not an exageration.
Very true. I have multiple so I can attest to that... Supposedly... I guess someone brave enough would have to find out
He actually did say that, but that "there would be a WELL AIMED rifle behind every blade of grass." That is even more true today.
we ARE our military. WE man it. registered guns , maybe. theres a lot more that are unregistered. we are brothers and sisters. trained vets. we stand together.
Amen.
Gun registration is a thing only in some unfree states .
Yes we do, it doesn't matter what branch of the military, race or religion you are . We are Americans and we would die on our feet before we live on our knees !
Amen! And keep our oath until death.
Until recently I would have said there's no way our military would have taken up arms against their own countrymen (and women), but the more woke our military is becoming the less sure I am that they would either stand with us or stand down.
The Japanese knew not to invade our mainland… their command famously said “There is a gun behind every blade of grass!!”
Insurgents would also target fuel depots ammo production and supply lines making it hard for the military to resupply
Planes don’t fly without fuel
You’d also have to expect the military to also fracture as well!
the state of penn alone,,,,puts more deer hunters in to the woods every year than the total of allllll of the us military,,,,,read up on your facts,,,
Civilians who drive those trucks would just not show up for work ...
@@robertsmith4681 you’re assuming that all civilians will be on the same side. Not likely.
@@lovemesomeslippers Civilians turning on each other would make the military even less effective...
The military would split into three factions:
A] Personnel leaving their posts to honor their oath to the Constitution and fight the regime of tyrants.
B] Personnel who would fight the citizens of the country at the will of the latest administration in violation of the oath to the Constitution.
C] Personnel who would try to maintain the nation's defense against foreign threats while tapdancing through the political minefield.
It would NEVER be the US military vs the US citizens, it would be the US citizens vs the higher up in the military and the politicians that supported fighting against their own constituents, which would result in summary executions and a lot of vacant Senate seats as well as Executive branch seats.
You should look into the demographics that are starting to take over the military, I wouldn't be so sure of this
@@hardcase-69Yeah it's filled with pussies who couldn't fight out of a wet paper bag now. That just makes me more sure.
The insurgents would also have the home field advantage and they could include many military veterans. Plus how many of the military would side with the government? And how many troops would be left overseas?
6:50 What government would destroy their own infrastructure? America stand s up ... "Hold my beer"
Outside of Manassas, Virginia about 6 years ago, a private citizen sh0t a 50 caliber weapon, at a military helicopter and actually hit the pilot, the sh00ter was never found. I don't think it made national news, I live close and saw it on our local news, but you can Google it. There's alot of instances that already happening but they downplay it to avoid copycats. Don't underestimate the kind of weapons private citizens own,legal and illegal.
Laser pointer keychains versus pilots... just saying there had been a lot of news stories about airport investigations over the last 25 years. Never underestimate simple tools and ingenuity.
They are all legal according to our second amendment.
Ya gotta wonder how many of those "badass" Barret .50 cal. sniper rifles are : Out there".
@@texan2u Barrett is the least accurate "Sniper" rifle there is
@@OEF_OIFVET68 B.S. Prove it or s.t.f.u. ! K ?
One thing I am hoping for is that is a good amount of the military will defend the people rather than the gov which is what I would do if still in the military.
nope soldiers are drones with no morals, oaths, ethos mindless murder machines - every Hollywood movie in the past 50 yrs
@@Jg35.. We have the right, but unfortunately not the will or it would have already started, I hope I am wrong.
Never underestimate Rednecks and Veterans. Patriotism! Our government would be the 1st thing taken out.
Redneck here 🦅
Never underestimate Marines. When paired up with farmers, they created the Ontos and the gun trucks of Vietnam. They have a proud history of jury rigging whatever crap is lying around to work better than "military grade".
Every retired Marine I've met is just as sharp as he was when in service, including the 90 year old WW2 veteran.
I agree with many comments. A good portion of the citizenry here in the US are veterans. There's also the National Guard to take into account. Also, as previously mentioned, our Military personnel take an oath to protect the Constitution, not the Government. If something like this were ever to happen, I believe the Government would get a very big surprise in that they would find themselves and the Country, placed under Martial Law with both the Citizenry and Military personnel working together to restore order.
Only 1.9% of Americans during slavery owned all the slaves. That's why I get so mad when people say that America owes them reparations.
There are about 20 million veterans in the US. I n fact the overwhelming majority of those who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan are now veterans.
And those vets definitely know how this government works. 😅 Never bet against our vets.
And those same soldiers, including every other soldier is HIGHLY trained in Urban warfare & how to be successful in limiting and/or eliminating collateral damage. So I agree, don’t bet against our troops.
The latest numbers I've read: 100M+ gun owners; 300M+ guns; nearly 5T rounds of ammo.
If it ever comes to pass, the People wouldn't fight the planes and tanks, but planes and tanks go nowhere without fuel & maintenance. Asymmetrical warfare is how a "weaker" power can defeat a greater.
We know where the bases are too... I would say a coordinated force of about a hundred could take over our local air base within a day if necessary.
There isn't much about this video that is actually true..
1) home field would suggest that to know the area you need only be from the country...as if there aren't so many cultures within the US, there aren't greatly different regions, and that those who are from the area being fought over, wouldn't also most likely be the ones that leave the military to join their neighbors... there just wouldn't be a huge military if they were fighting US citizens.
2) All equipment at home is available to US citizens as well, with 20M Veterans most likely on the citizens' side, Veterans who know the system, locations, and functions of all that equipment.
3) Where the Veterans go the war would go, not just for their combat skills being most effective against the remaining military, but also their connection to the people who would be rising up against the Govt. If the cause is good enough for the Veteran, it would be followed by the greatest amount of Citizens...and those citizens would be the economic block for their side with no one being the economic block for the other side.
4) Citizens would have little to no rules in how they fight, whereas the Govt would still in large part need to follow the Geneva Convention rules. No one would know how to exploit this difference more than the Veterans who had to fight this fight before, being taught by the very best of the best of histories Asymmetric Warriors, and not just recent history either.
We in America, will never allow our Government to make us "Box Car Ready".
Don’t underestimate what people can do when they’re motivated.
Actually did thats exactly what happened in the Revolutionary War. Ordinary citizens banded together to fight the British who at the time was the military of the United States
James and Millie,
something to consider if the US government was to turn on it's citizens, military personel have family members in certain areas and wouldn't shoot members of their family. who's to say that foreign governments wouldn't ship weapons to insurgants without being stopped, they ship drugs across by the truckload.
When Obama was president Russia said they would air drop supplies if we ever revolted. Then you have to think about others. Look what's going on in Canada I just saw that a bunch of spots millions of people would become citizens if we give them Greenacres cause they can own land here but can't get a green card then you have Mexico to the south witch you k ow would want a better US government to work with to better their situation. Way more people would come to our aid then we would expect because we don't expect anyone to come help for this one if it did ever happen and with that said we are closer and closer to it now seeing the flag has been flown upside down at our Capital Building for a few days now...
I love how they say its never gonna happen as a fact. Given the wording of our second amendment it is our duty if the government gets out of controll.
As a veteran, I can assure you most military members would never take up arms against their families & neighbors. We took an oath to the Constitution, not the government.
I live in West Virginia. Citizens over 21 yrs of age do not have to register their guns or get permits. A few other states are or plan to do the same. There is no way to know how many handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. ir out there.
And that's just purchases since 1968. (When the whole needing a permit/register bs started) They don't think about firearms passed down in families that was purchased before 1968 or, in states that allow it, private sales. There's no way the govt knows exactly who has what. (And let's not forget war trophies grandpa brought back in his dufflebag from wherever he was putting bad guys down.)
In Florida we have no transfer laws for private sales. Unfortunately we do have to register if we buy from an FFL, but I've known people who trade off with friends or even mostly strangers. A little mutually beneficial purchase swap just to avoid the registration.
Estimates range from a low of 310 million to a high of 650 million. Firearms can last more than a century. Most Americans know how to use them. As Yamamoto said, "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". It is why we have the Second Amendment, it protects all the rest against GOVERNMENT.
@@kenkaufman9998 I'd disagree that "most Americans know how to use them". I consider knowing how to use them to be efficient with it, know how to clean it, etc. The gun community, sure we do. But a huge portion of America lives in big cities who are often left wing, anti-2A nutjobs. Gang bangers "know how to use them" in theory and they still use an entire magazine to hit everything and everyone except their intended target half the time.
Arkansas and Oklahoma you didn't have to register
The 3% statistic is off because it does not take into account the guns that are not registered. In the southern states, almost everyone owns a gun.
More than 40 states and the federal government have no registry at all
Anyone that claims registered firearms means anything is a moron like the original video
There is no registry in the US. There is no known number and anyone that claims there is is wrong.
There are hundreds of millions of guns from before any tracking that can be given or sold privately never on a list. There are unknown millions of guns people make that are never registered. There are tens of millions a year that never enter a federal check with federal law allowing bypassing NICS in 20 some states.
@@Jg35.. Good for your dad.
Please understand this would never happen. The US Military takes an oath to the US Constitution and obeys and follows lawfull orders from the Commander in Chief (President) Even in the case of Marshall Law being implemented by a President, the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids US military involvement in domestic law enforcement would come into affect. And without congressional approval, the militarry would never be sent to take up arms against its own people.
I know this is a Hypothetical issue, but even then, the US military would have more than 2/3rds its active duty personnel disobey the order, rather than take up arms against its own family or former brothers in arms.
@Jason Jahner I agree with almost everything you said, but you bring up Posse Comitatus, and don't mention Devolution or PEADS, that would and is taking place RIGHT NOW. Remember this reply.
Unfortunately I'm not even sure if Posse Comitatus is even taught or a thing anymore.
I do agree that a large portion of the military would take the side of the citizenry.
@@douchebaggins7 I agree, it is not taught anymore at least to civilians (on purpose), but the basic idea is there. And also agreed that some bad military is in USA (money hungry) but the vast majority of current military and veterans would protect the people if it came to it, and that is just plain leaving out the 2A that many think has faded away but actually has grown in the past decades, especially since Obummer. Battle tactics have changed cause nobody is dumb enough to try or is even capable of a land invasion that would win. That is why the enemy now is primarily within, but you can't call it a Civil War when these people hate the USA, kinda like the first Civil War, it was infiltration tactics, but we will win again no doubt and put this to bed finally!
@@cygnusx-3217 No they didn't in many cases (lets include Afghanistan and protecting the poppy fields), but if you have not been in the military, they take orders from top to bottom. There are good and bad, but they follow orders or get dishonorable discharge if not, not to mention they are on a "need to know basis". That does not excuse any of those wars/conflicts, but I would ask you a simple question? Who has controlled the world for almost all of written history? Any ideas.... when JFK was assassinated, something changed and yes it took a long time to turn around, even though things look bad and there are no excuses for those actions, they will NOT happen again without severe consequences for the right reasons this time. Ever heard of Space Force? Do you know what they do? What about Quantum . gov ? This is not meant to be mean or demeaning to you in any way, but if you can't see what is going on around you in the big picture, you will find out soon. Not making excuses at all, just FACTS!
I agree with what you stated but I think one other thing that is missing is the States themselves allowing the us military to start shooting their citizens as well as the politics crisis this would cause. National Guard units are under state control and one could even see situations of National Guard units being called up to defend the citizens of a state against its own military forces. In the end anything on a large scale would basically mean civil war. Also then how much of the civilian portion that works for the military would support such an action. No doubt Congress would be divided along with local governments. Not to mention police forces and other institutions. And I know of the Posse Comitatus Act so no doubt several in the Senate and Congress know about this. Congress knows this because they recently tried to amend the act in I think 2020.
There was a in depth study done here in the US several years ago about this very subject where they analyzed everything, and even the military experts admitted that in the end they would lose short of nuclear weapons.....
I was in the military and this came up everyone pretty much said if it came to it they'd go home to protect theyre porch and let's not forget veterans there's alot of highly trained veterans and these guys trained the guys in now so it's not the us military that would attack us it would be Un troops
Never say never..happened before when it was needed.
Ex US Navy here. One thing they didn't mention is as of now civilians have about 50 million combat aged veterans, it would be a shit show. Love your channel. Keep it up.
I am interested to see this video. As a former Soldier myself, married to a retired Soldier, I know there are many civilians in our nation who were in the military once. We know how the military operates because we were once those people. Let's see what the video says!
Or are children of military. All of whom would regiment the other civilians under militia doctrine.
@@stevendrake3155 except non-military people might not listen to you. We are a “your not the boss of me” nation.
@lovemesomeslippers very true. However, with that same resentment, we resist tyranny.
@@lovemesomeslippers Sadly, but you are one of the ones that would not make it through that kind of war. Stalin called them Useless Eaters & Hitler called them Willful Idiots.
It is our duty to stay armed, to scare off tyranny.
This is the reason why we have the 2nd amendment.
Yes civilians would definitely win . Our military was made to protect and serve us . There is too many civilian families in the military that the government wouldn't stand a chance . They would have but a few soldiers left to work with . Most would quit to protect their families ❤
If thus ever happened it would be a situation like during the pandemic where even the right was woke and trying to force "vacs" and unjust restrictions... even presenty the right in gov does absolutely nothing about migrants, the left indoctrination society to be racist, trans, and such; they do nothing about schools not having proper security or protection from woke indoctrination; the do nothing about the countless gov officials constantly breaking laws; they support corrupt ukr who we if anything should be bombing not helping... the right in gov is equally as guilty as the woke left and it is highly probable that they would side against the ppl...
Take a lesson from history , the Revolutionary War., a super military vs a rag tag revolutionary army
Not sure how "US citizens" morphed into "US insurgency".
Given the choice of supporting the "US citizens" versus supporting the US politicians and their bureaucracies, a large part of the military would side with the citizens and their families.
Its trying to point out that the civilian forces would be like an insurgent force. With no uniform, and rather unusual fighting style
US troops fighting Insurgents in Afghanistan did really well, didn't they?
Again, amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics. It's the American people who produce, the ammunition, food, fuel, replacement parts and funding. The U.S. Military would be attacking its own supply lines. Even if only 30% of the logistical support collapsed, the military would be reduced to rifle on rifle tactics in short order unless they got help from abroad. The more important aspect of the U.S. military is that it is the first military in the world that fights for freedom and each other. We don't fight for a King, a God, a fatherland or an ISM.
The Statue was more than like a reference to the famed Iwo Jima first installed on Parris Island Marine Corps base in South Carolina. There are now many of them around, the statue comes from a famous photograph of US Marine troops raising the flag atop Mt. Suribaiachi on Iwo Jima after, mostly, defeating the Japanese in the Pacific Theater during WWII.
I was going to say the same thing about the statue . It's definitely a cartoon recreation of the Iwo Jima flag raising
I was looking for this comment
Most real gun lovers have more than one weapon.
most own several,,,but can only shoot one at a time,,,,,,however,,,most civilians have thousands of rounds, more than the military. What it missed here is that the total of civilians killed will be much more than military,,,,,however,,,there are millions of more armed civilians than there are military....and in a personal confrontation, civilians are usually better at long range shooting, and have more powerful weapons than military, and many civilians are vets and have been in combat before,,not many military have ever seen combat,,,,
The is something like 4 for those who choose to own firearms ... A lot of that has to do with hunting that require different guns for different kinds of game.
Also take into consideration that many of the military would be fighting their own families, and would go AWOL to keep them safe.
I can only shoot one gun at a time. But I can arm several individuals with the other guns I own.
@@bill45colt you’re forgetting the military has something called the AC-130. Those guns don’t need to be aimed at a tip of a pin, just fire a 50cal in the area where the enemy is & job done. Enemy forces are dwindled without a shot ending a soldier’s life.
They can't calculate the illegally own weapons
No such thing. ALL gun laws are unconstitutional.
@AceUno11 Define Illegal to me, maybe I am stupid. Or perhaps you should read the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. Ready when you are, and don't come back with something stupid?
@@brianhums5056 criminals owning weapons,,,,is that easier for you to understand???
@@bill45colt That's not an illegal gun. That's a convicted felon not being allowed to own a firearm after due process removed it.
@@bill45colt Perhaps you should read the 2nd Amendment again and again, I agree in many ways that criminals should not own weapons but look again at 2A. I will help you a bit ....A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Read that last part closer and get back to me. If you think taking pews from law abiding citizens will solve anything (it won't) then that is why it shall not be infringed...anytime, any state. It don't matter cause criminals and especially government DO NOT care about and BS laws, get it? 2A was written when 1A is under threat or gone, which has been happening for years, so 2A matters more than ever. Name another country that the citizens could defend themselves from the GOV if needed, I will wait cause if you know any history...it has NEVER worked anywhere. So tired of replying to people who don't know history or even our founding documents. Learn about the 1871 "constitution" and see if that helps, or why do we have BAR exams for lawyers - British Accredited Registry. Those are some big nuggets of info you obviously don't know or have not mentioned anyways. Things are not as they seem!
If 10 percent ofbtbebus populace stood up against us military that would be approximately 32 million to 2 million
There are civilians that have access to same stuff that the military has. The military wouldn't take orders from our government.
You also have to remember that there are millions of former TRAINED veterans here. And since so many people own more than 1 firearm (average of 3 per) there are plenty to loan to others for this fight.
You're also forgetting that a lot of vets from Iraq and Afghanistan know how guerilla warfare works and experienced it. In addition some were further taught by their parents who learned it in Vietnam.
Those of us who survived have been trained by the best just by surviving.
The Government would lose to it's citizens.
The veterans would know every back door entrance onto any base in the US. Add to that, knowing people that are still in service to assist with helping the cause. Citizens would win fairly quickly.
The more uplifting, or frightening(?) fact to know is that US civilians own 40-45% of the civilian owned guns in the world…. So that 3% of US gun owners owns 20-22% of the guns owned by civilians worldwide.
Millie that is a real statue/monument represented in the video at the 12:07 timestamp. The real one is located outside of Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington Ridge Park in Virginia, depicting the US Marines hoisting the American flag on Iwo Jima having taken the island from the Japanese during World War II
That statue is an actual statue it is not exactly like that but it is based off a picture when American soldiers took Iwo Jima from the Japanese in WW2
There are only 3 million active duty military.
There are 16 MILLION hunting licenses in America. These are also called SNIPERS.
Only a small percentage of gun owners are hunters.
The U.S. military would lose extremely fast.
Like only a third are combat troops
@@fernandoperez8587 Less than that.
Not that this would ever happen, but the beauty of it is that not all guns are registered.
What can your little rifles do against missiles?tanks?nukes? You guys are role playing
@@jho7659 Wow - D'ya think "they'd" nuke us?
Biden scoffed at the idea of an American uprising, citing that “they don’t have F-16s.” Weeks later, he ran away from the Taliban, who didn’t have F-16s.
Many Americans like myself own multiple guns. In fact, I've lost count of how many I own. It's over 40 and probably closer to 50.
Heres the thing about the resupply issue... The people would be using the same ammo types as the military, and it would be easier to get more ammo from the defeated military after small engagements/raids.
Most people who have guns have built a nice stockpile of ammo as well just for this sort of thing.
That is a real statue, based on film and photographs of US Marines taking the top of Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima in 1945.
We come from ppl many times whom have had to fight on the home front.. even many immigrants here come from strong ppl .. it's our heritage that's passed on in us.
This is WHY we are so different from all other nations and ppl don't fully understand us.
We really aren't the same.
Does the US military miss and kill innocent bystanders? If so, would that create more “insurgents”?
I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.MAY GOD BLESS ALL❤
Then the D.oD. would need to figure in those units that would go to the side of the citizens, not to mention the number of veterans in the US with combat experience. So many factors would come into pay in this type of thought exercise, that the US Military routinely run them in downtown San Antonio. Nothing like real world training, right.
USA gun owner tend to own one, maybe two, or 8+. I own 10. Tend - don't @me saying you have 5. If you sent me 4 Patriots to arms, I could set them up nicely with long guns and sides arms for all 4, along with a full combat load of ammo and mags.
most of my shooting friends own over a hundred,,,and the serious collectors in the group have over 250,,,,plenty to go around and thousands of rounds of ammo for each. The trick shooters in the group are good enough to hit a medium size water melon at over 700 yards,, the size of a mans head,,,,and their rifles will penetrate an armored vest like it was a paper bag,,,,many are vets,,,,some are just good ole boys from down on the farm, hog, deer, crow, and ground hog hunters mostly,,,,
My Grandfather taught me that for every firearm that you own; that you should keep 5 to 10 thousand rounds. Just in case you need it.
Has anyone mentioned the Posse Comitatus Act preventing the military from being used in domestic affairs? This alone would put the US people against the military because they would be acting unlawfully. Keep in mind that 3% of the US population is 9,600,000.
The USA Army lost to a bunch of Untrained Guys Wearing Sandals. (Afghanistan).
With all the raw materials laying around the USA. With Tens of millions of Americans with basic knowledge of electric,chemical,welding, etc.
I think American Citizens would build quickly any weapons it would take to win.
Vietnam, Afghanistan, certain central / south American nations show that you just need guerilla warfare.
The that produced this video is wrong. If only 3% of the US population has firearms that would mean that each one of them would own (appox) 320,000 per person with the # given in this story. It's more like 78% of Americans are armed.
If it happens, it won’t be easy for either side. Many veterans & their families would be a force unto itself.
Secondly, each state has its own army & aircraft, known as the national guard. The national guard is integrated into the army system.
Third, where the individual soldiers come from would dictate some loyalty problems.
Surely there are contingency plans for a third civil war in some drawer somewhere in Washington DC.
100% the government that turns against American citizens wouldn’t last thru the weekend.
Hopefully this doesn’t come to fruition, Americans will be ready either way.
The video is quoting very out dated information.
There are over 165 million gun owners in the US (that will admit to it to surveys)
The average gun owner owns 3 firearms. 7%-9% of gun owners own more than 7 firearms.
There are between 450,000,000 and 650,000,000 firearms in the US and that number grows daily.
The Citizens of the US have enough ammunition (12.5 - 14.5 Trillion rounds) to carry out a WW2 level conflict for about 50 years without making another bullet.
Tens of millions of civilian weapons use the same ammunition as the military, so the idea of running out of ammunition in a gorilla war is highly unlikely.
The US military is not a monolith, and their oath is to the Constitution, not the military. So there would be US military on both sides of the conflict. There would also be high end military equipment on both sides of the conflict.
There are significantly more fighting age veterans than active duty military.
Those of us Americans who enjoy our freedoms will never join the United Nations…!
So you know, I know many people who own between 20 and 100 guns. I also know of a person ( co worker's relative ) who owns about 400 guns. Yes some people are really in to them. There's literally new one's coming out every month. Collect them all, lol.
Myself, I own 5 firearms, which is peanuts to alot of gun owners, So yes the number is astronomical.
Talking as a Marine from the United States. If war broke out I would be Duty Bound by oath to the constitution of these United States and its Republic. To defend the United States and it's people by all means necessary against a tyrannical government. And yes we the people will dominate. And yes this has played out once in our history already. And we the people of this Republic are still standing. We are a free people and will remain free until our last breath...SEMPER-FI 🤔🤯😏🙂
The 3% owning half is not that surprising because very few people that have guns only have 1.
I live in south eastern Kentucky, son I've got 10 weapons and over 3 thousand rounds of ammo. With my friends included, we can hold the line.
Don't forget we have a civilian controlled military, a one-hundred-percent civilian control defense contractor companies. My neighbor owns a tank and i have enough ammo alone to make Britain jealous. We'd win, we would jam the internet, GPS and frequencies
I don't own anything. Wink wink
God Bless Texas!! Or maybe Nevada?
Texan here just guessing as these are the only two states I know of where you can pay to shoot tanks.
I lost all my weapons in an unfortunate boating accident 😂
@@christianoliver3572 Michigan has more guns then Texas does bro
@@timtaylor7146 I didn't know that
First you don't understand the resolve of the american citizen that thinks his rights are being taken from them. We as a people would rather die on our feet than live on our knees. At 350 million people if only 25% stand up against the military your talking over 87 million combatants! Think about this the afghans fought the russians with AK 47's and horseback. This would be a guerilla war. We got our asses kick in vietnam. Our military won every battle, and lost the war there!!!!
The bigger issue would be the opportunity created for foreign adversaries to take advantage of the situation. If the US got into a hot civil war like this, the Chinese would probably take advantage of the chance to take over. Of course, then they would be facing a mobilized and armed US citizenry.