The wildfire is from the hidden stashes in the city left over from her fathers reign, the said in season 3 that not all of the wildfire caches were ever found
It’s symbolic. The wildfire that blew up was small compared to Dany’s fire, but her Father was killed by Jamie and called the Mad King for thinking about blowing that all up when he said “burn them all”. Danys fire was much worse so she has Super Mad Queen status now
@@RTTV2011 yeah the wildfire going off beneath the city wasn't put there, or made at Cersei's instruction. They were still hidden throughout the city from the Mad King's reign, and Drogon's flame ignited them all. In the books Cersei does grow to have an obsession with Wildfire in A Feast for Crows though. It's an important issue in the books because wildfire is so volatile and only needs the slightest disturbance to go up in flames. Therefore it needs to be stored extremely carefully, so the older it is, and longer it's been there, the easier it is to set off, so from time to time Kingslanding would uncover a cache of the mad kings wildfire, and they will need to evacuate the people from that area before trying to safely remove it.
Ꭰan bruh wtf are you even talking about?? Why would the episode taking place in daytime not be lit?? They shot and edited these episodes months ago. You dumb if you think they’d do reshoots in 2 weeks to address fans issues in the episodes. Lmao
The green flames that went off have been there since the Mad King, he didn’t get to use them cause Jaime killed him so they’ve just been hidden under Kings Landing since - Dany’s flames triggered them to go off
Maybe the Mad King couldn' t accomplish his wish, but the Mad Queen did it!!!😬 "Burn them all!!!Burn them all! Burn them all Danny!!!" " Ok dad!! Got it!!!" Drogon "dracarys" them all!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The Mad Queen descent was rushed, but I've seen a lot of people all over the Internet make fun of the bells and at Daenerys' mind breaking at the point of surrender but it made sense and was set up earlier in the episode. Season 1 to 7 showed up a Daenerys that rose from the very lowest of lows to the height of power. In Season 1 and 2, we see Daenerys realize that without power, no one will respect her or take her claim seriously. She’s told repeatedly that she’s nothing without an army, and she’s nothing without ships. She gains those. We cheer for her. When Daenerys leaves Essos, she thinks she can rule through compassion and be loved by the people once she gets rid of Cersei. She had her armies. She had dragons. She had powerful allies in Westeros. She had the strongest claim to the throne and finally had the chance to take King’s Landing. Season 7 and Season 8 was about losing that power. First, her powerful allies are stripped away one by one. Olenna, Elliria, Yara. Tyrion mismanages them as Hand of the Queen and makes horrible tactical mistakes. In S08E01, Daenerys realizes she doesn’t have the love of the people. In Essos, she broke their chains and earned their devotion. In the North, Sansa and Jon had already broken their chains. They defeated Ramsay. Sansa and Jon, as Starks, have earned their loyalty for a lifetime. Daenerys is faced with a smallfolk - her subjects - that don’t love her. In S08E02, she loses her claim. Jon tells her his true identity, and suddenly she’s not the only Targaryen in the world. Even moreso, Jon’s claim is stronger. He’s a natural leader. She’s immediately threatened by his confession, and is shaken by it. In S08E03, she loses Jorah. He was there for her since the beginning. He was devoted to her not because of her power, not because of her dragons, but because he loved her. He never would’ve betrayed her and she trusted him fully. He’s essentially been her rock through all her hardship. And then he dies protecting her. In S08E04, she loses her second child and Missandei, her best friend. One by one, everyone she held close that was devoted to her and her alone was taken from her. Her dragons were a symbol of her power; with only one left, she was beginning to get desperate. Her only advisor from Essos was Grey Worm, and he was a soldier. In S08E05, she loses Varys, Tyrion, and Jon. Through betrayal, no less. Jon betrays her by telling Sansa and the rumor spreads. Varys openly conspires against her and (presumably) tries to poison her and turn Jon against her. She kills him without a trial, without asking for his last words, and without a second thought. Jon goes to her, and she seeks one last bit of comfort from him. She tells him that people love him, and that’s something she’ll never have. ”Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.” He counters by saying that he loves her, and that she’ll always be his queen. But when they kiss, Daenerys realizes that he’ll never truly love her again. And so, she says: "Alright then. Let it be fear" When the bells ring, Daenerys realizes that while the city has surrendered she’ll never be secure as queen as long as the people don’t truly, irrevocably fear her. She will never be loved by them. She has lost everything she has gained and every friend she’s made, and she’s completely alone. Word about Jon having a stronger natural claim to the throne is probably out as well at this point. So King’s Landing becomes a symbol of everything she’s ever been through - her brother selling her like a brood mare, Drogo's death, being ridiculed and laughed at from Pentos to Slaver's Bay to Mereen, being threatened at every turn, losing her dragons, losing her loved ones. She’s on her dragon, she’s alone, she feels powerless, and she’s angry. So what does she do when feels powerless? She reminds them all that she is still powerful. The people will never love her, so they will fear her. (credit to u/smallasianchick on reddit) that being said, I couldn´t have put it any better
I disagree. She was always a little of. But being mad and being evil is not the same. Dany was never the type to hurt innocent people just because. And she doesn't like ruling through fear. She wants people to love her. This was not only rushed it wasn't even done in a logical way.
@@rai2423 I agree, but I don't think it was rushed. Her advisors were often the only thing holding her back from being a complete tyrant once she gained a bit of power, even all the way back in season 3. With all of them gone (she doesn't trust or respect Tyrion anymore), and realizing no one loves her (Jon doesn't love her in the way she wants him to), she feels she has no choice but to resort to fear. All of season 8 has been her losing the people she loves (either through death or perceived betrayal), the same people keeping her more impulsive and violent tendencies in check. Her snapping didn't come out of nowhere and didn't feel rushed, at least to me.
Thatburgerpatty How about I kill your 2 best friends and 2 of your children in front of your face, then have the love of your life reject you and take your career away from you and see how quick you break down. One of these events is usually enough to instantly destroy a persons stable mind, so what Daenerys had to go through it was amazing she lasted so long before going mad. I don't understand how you can say it's rushed, it's like you have no life experience and have never had anything bad happen in your life that just came out of nowhere and knocked the wind out of you.
The guy in dreads is right. The problem is that the show writers expect us to take those as reasons for her going mad. However, her descent into madness is too rushed. So all these things that happened at such a short time are not enough reasons for her going from 'breaker of chains' to 'genocidal mad queen'. It's just bad forced story writing.
Funny, if butcher every man woman and child if my wife or mother was beheaded in front of my eyes. Dany has lost much more and gone through much worse. Try ringing some annoying bells at the end while letting her watch smug cercei just a few meters away in a tower. Yea fuck that. The writers indeed rushed it but ain’t no delusions about what dany did. Shit I’d do it too given the same circumstance.
Personally I think you guys saying it's rushed weren't looking at her entire history that we've seen you're only looking at S8 plots: Jon being a threat, her not having love there, Missandei death as her reasons into descent but those are just a few things. Lets look at everything from season 2 on also she just said to Jon how since the people won't love her they'll fear her, but season 2 she didn't get ships from the merchant and JUST because he refused to kiss her ass and just give away his livelihood for her campaign she threatened to come back and burn the entire city down when the city did nothing to her. She burned all the masters when she stole the unsullied we overlook it because the word masters instantly makes them bad guys and deserving to us, but it doesn't mean they all deserved to be murdered. Same in mereen she had the city won and everything and crucified all those masters on impulse and like her husband said they weren't all villains his father spoke against slavery. No one ever criticizes her for murdering all the Khals in Vas Dothrak *spelling* they did nothing to her and it wasn't a liberating thing and again her fans just cheered her on. Season 7 she wanted so badly to come and burn the shut down from jump she has had a massive blood lust ever since the dragons were born but every single time it got to mad queen level she was told by Tyrion, Jorah, Ser Beristan don't that's your father's thinking and she'd undo or not do said action. Her burning the city was not something she hadn't said she'd do plenty of times the difference is now she doesn't have who? Jorah, Selmy, Tyrion is on the thinnest of ice she has zero love in the country her best friend is headless and her current best friend is a eunich who's woman is the headless friend and wants blood as much as her. The bells didn't make her just flip a switch into mad queen it had her thinking of her entire life of thinking she was born for this throne and the people would love her and cheer for her return and the long stuggle filled road it took to get here and find it's the total opposite the people won't love her rule so they'll have to fear it. And now no one can successfully counteract her inhibitions.
AlexanderThe Great Thank you, that was a beautiful way of putting it. Too many people think that this came out of no where just because they were unhappy with it but if you paid attention you could tell early on in the story that Dany would eventually be willing to do anything for power, and that same desire for power would mold her into the mad queen.
@@cannongerber3257 Yup after about season 5 I was thinking its taking her forever and S6 after her speech to the Dothraki I thought wow this is like her 3rd speech to Dothraki alon, and her millionth speech overall literally she has a speech a season about how she's the chosen one and such, usually in TV and movies when someone has a singular goal for that long they don't achieve it lol. Seriously I'm a huge film/tv I can see most of everything coming a mile away as most shows/movies follow history which was the thing people loved about GOT it wasn't as predictable(well to none book readers) most characters when they have a goal if it lasts a season or 2 they do achieve it, but most times if it lasts longer than that they don't say they want to kill someone and the 1st season or 2 they do actually try and will but by another season something happens to when the opportunity comes something changes "I've grown, I'm not like you, live with your shame" something like that happens. I was like Dany is going in circles not that I didn't enjoy watching I'm just talking about sitting back and analyzing it with non hopeful eyes. She goes round and round she's down with something she needs but doesn't have in her possession something happens where she finesses said thing into her possession and makes a speech. No army or dragons makes speech gets dragons, dying in desert no money steals guys gold and shit, no unsullied she dragons her way into unsullied and makes a speech "liberating", no 2nd sons she beauty's her way into them while liberating and "Myshas" instead of speech that time, goes to meereen and makes a speech down on attacks everytime dragons gets her out every time while getting ships into her possession, makes another speech to Khalesar. Then the Jon reveal made it that even if it wasn't him made it more concrete to ME she would never be queen over there. I even was surprised D&D held back that long of her burning down KL for a fanbase who takes every single line spoken and every little look as symbols and meaning something big they totally forgot about in Brans vision Drogon over kings landing that was way back in S4. And the episode fulfilled that vision with the same exact shot Drogon shadow over KL notice they didn't show it in the S7 finale. It was setup well before this season at least since season 3 her bloodlust and potential.
AlexanderThe Great Dany had to win the throne thats the main problem of the season. Is that they ruined the perfect ending for trying to shock the audience. And also all the theories failed. So is so false that daenerys was mad. Cause all the theories were wrong. Jamie killing Cersei etc...
It's because a) they wanted to pack as much action into like 2 episodes that would drain the whole budget not allowing for more than six episodes and b) they were ready to move on from the show and wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible.
lollypop2414 1) the budget was never the problem. 2) they could’ve resigned and let other more passionate writers finish if they wanted to rush to a shitty Star Wars project
HBO would never opt to give them 10 episodes if a budget were a problem.. You really think a show of this level can’t afford 4 more episodes.. it was all character regression instead of character development
@@kyloren1014 that's the thing, they supposedly wrote season 8 back in 2017. That's plenty of time to write a 10 episode season. And if there even was a delay, I'm sure Disney woulda waited on them. Kinda like how they're waiting on Ryan Coogler to finish his new movie so he can do Black Panther 2.
@@SirKolass You're right, it wasn't great. It was perfection. The music is the best thing about the last season. The cinematography is brilliant too. Don't let your hatred for the script blind you entirely.
@@Predestinated1 you love this episode? This is legit one of the worst endings to a show I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of endings. 4 years ago you must have had the worst taste, I hope you still don't think this
@@metallol5337 plot points are fine, even Bran the broken. It's just Dumb and Dumber's arrogant asses didn't want to hand off the show, so HBO could make more episodes to flesh all this stuff out. Hopefully the Jon Snow sequel will fix some of this shit. Excited for HOTD tho
Hate to say but Joffrey was right about worrying about Daenerys in season 3 and Tywin was wrong not to. "Tell me about the Targaryen girl in the east and her dragons" Where did you hear about this? "Is it true?" Apparently so. "Don't you think we ought to do something about it?" When I was Hand of the King under your father's predecessor, the skulls of all the Targaryen dragons were kept in this room. The skull of the last of them was right here. It was the size of an apple. "And the biggest was the size of a carriage" Yes, and the creature to whom it belonged died 300 years ago. Curiosities on the far side of the world are no threat to us. "But how do we know these dragons are just curiosities and not the beasts that brought the whole world to heel?"
tywin did take it into consideration which is why he wanted oberyn and dorne on their side considering the dornish were able to prevent aegon from conquering their land when he came.
Tywin wasn't wrong. He wanted to keep Joffrey in the dark so he wouldn't cause havoc to the public. Tywin was planning to ally with the Dornish, in case you forgot.
Daenerys: When my dragons are grown we will take back what was stolen from me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground. Y'all: yaaas Daenerys: I will take what is mine through fire and blood. Y'all: yaaas Daenerys: does just that y'all: Why? Why?
The decent into madness was too fast. And it seemed like for no reason. Fire and blood doesnt mean Danny pulling a complete 180 instantly and killing civilians explicitly. Take note of Star wars and luke skywalker. THATS how you portray someones decent into evil.
Like the old saying goes, If you have to explain a joke then it's not funny. Same thing here, if half the fanbase is completely confused about how/why Dany "snapped" then, it wasn't executed properly. There is no room for ambiguity with 2 episodes left. We all watched the character build up and/or read the books so, it's deeply disappointing to see it portrayed in this way. The Mad Queen story could've been dope AF but, it just fell flat and felt rushed like Pat said. On a brighter note, Emilia Clarke is still fine and is doing a helluva job.
I do find it weird that so many people were surprised when it seemed so obvious to others. They definitely rushed it a bit but it was foreshadowed for a long time, I feel like a lot of the audience were falling for her rhetoric along with the characters in the show. She was progressively becoming more and more of a tyrant for the last 3 seasons, and the death of her 2nd dragon during the battle sent her over the edge. She even said it to John in this episode "Fear it is then". That was the moment she chose to abandon her image as the breaker of chains. She was desperate for vengeance and it was snatched away from her by the surrender, so she snapped and just went on a massacre regardless.
You are so right...The Bells (name of the episode). I forgot about the story told to her about how the people of Kingslanding celebrated and rang the bells for days after Jamie killed her father. Remember what she looked like when Tyrion came into the war room. She looked like death...dark circles, not eating, a deep depression. The Bells triggered all the feelings of heavy loss, betrayal, and Jon not being able to commit to her as her lover, and how the people of Kingslanding cheered for days about her fathers death. The Bells were the trigger!
Throughout the seasons, her advisors made her make more diplomatic decisions. She’s always been more prone to violence but she trusted her advisors and their decisions. Now she doesn’t trust anyone. All her friends died. She’s isolated. She’s gonna act on all of her violent thoughts.
problem is she's never reacted towards violence towards innocent people before, she even chained her dragons up when one killed a child. Killing soldiers and killing innocents is a huge difference.
And later on in the seasons they made it so whenever she listened to an advisor, someone she loves dies, and whenever she doesn't, she'll look more and more mad.
BIG FACTS. PEOPLE ALWAYS WANNA RESORT TO DIPLOMACY, which is the DOWN FALL OF ALL MEN AND WOMEN IN THE WORLD. PEOPLE GET TIRED OF BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. BURN THE BUSH.
But all she did was replace the wheel with her own. She planned on subjugating the entire world. Worse than the Lannisters and her own father at that point.
Dany saying she won't be queen of the ashes was her quoting Tyrion. But her proclaiming she'll burn cities to the ground was all her way back in season 2.
Rob is right, when you push ppl to your level of madness, this is what you get in return, you woke the Dragon 😂😂😂😂😂 and she came and turned everything to ash. It was wrong, it was fucked up, but this is what happens man.
@@PandainAtlanta its a damn shame, this shoulda been one of the best seasons in tv history but them having to cram everything in to 6 episodes has ruined it
I don't necessarily love it. But she didn't flip because of the bells lmfao... She calculated that she's only going to rule through fear, because the people of Westeros love figures more like Jon.
What she doesn’t understand is love is earned overtime. If she conquered Westeros civilly, was fair in her rule, and people told tales of how the great Daenerys’ dragons helped defeat the Night King, saving the entire realm(!), then she would’ve eventually received those glances herself.
Westerosi culture views Targaryans and foreigners as monsters and savages. She realized her people, friends, and dragons died for people that give no fucks about them. She said if ya'll won't appreciate us for what we wanted to do for you then fuck you, the people after you will. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Also listening to what people tell her to do has lost her a lot, she snapped, maybe paranoid the bells were a trap or something idk, but this twist definitely isn't out of nowhere
I agree with Jerry!! They have literally been saying since season 1 that the Targaryens are crazy. Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin. The pacing was horrible but it isn’t completely out of nowhere in my opinion. Dany started showing major signs of paranoia during season 7. For example, when Tyrion was asking about her successor, she said something to the point of, “so you’re thinking of my death already” or something like that. Plus her finding out about Jon’s birthright, no one liking her in the north, having two of her dragons killed, Missandei killed, Jon telling his sisters after she “ask” him not to, finding out her closest advisors are speaking secretly about Jon taking the throne, Jon NOT reciprocating the same affection for her anymore, and saying this episode, after Jon backs away, “Let it be fear”. ALL of this happening to her so damn fast and the fact that her family is known for being mad, and not being able to trust any of her own advisors, it was bound to happen. I take that scene of her staring at the red keep when the bells are ringing as her TRYING NOT to go mad but she sees her “birthright” and she looses her mind and does what she said she would. Take what is her’s with fire and blood
Why are people surprised she is acting like this? She's hinted towards it since season 1. She's ruthless and always has been. Her advisers have been the only people able to keep her worst intentions in check....until now.
will she locked her dragons up because they burnt a little child. And then she wins the war but kills all those innocent people and children how does that make sense.
This is pretty much why she set kingslanding on fire according to the creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff in the "Behind the Episode," once Dany saw the Red Keep, which apparently the Targaryens built during the time of their rule but which had been taken away from them, the unfairness of that huge familial loss washed over her. Presumably, the decades-long grudge for her whole family and herself took over. She took back the city by fire as if she were trying to avenge her Targaryen ancestors-and channeling their craziness, in the process. If you'll remember, Dany had a vision in season 2 of herself walking towards the Iron Throne, but it was all burnt and ruined. That vision came true tonight: Dany has made the decision that she's going to be Queen of the Ashes, and she's ok with it.
Pretty funny when people are shocked Dany went Mad Queen. After all, she's been threatening blood and fire for years, not to mention she crucified 160+ people on mile marker posts. On Cersei, really a perfect death: Dirty, powerless, afraid, and forgotten. No epic death for her.
Every body dany ever killed was her enemy and they deserved it. Not once did she kill innocent people. Just admit it. This season's storyline has been rushed from the start. Lol
@@BlackLynx4607a two wrongs dont make a right. They were monsters for doing that, Dant proved she was capable of being just as monsterous. Would Jon crucify people and make a spectacle of their corpses, leave them to rot in the sun? No. That's the difference. I knew Dany was dangerous once she started threatening people the moment she got a little power. I was no longer on her side based on her actions and missteps in Mereen. She was just a little girl with too much power. "Do as i say or dragons" is no basis for a system of government.
I think you need to look at it through Dany's perspective: She came to Westeros with 3 dragons, her full army, Missandei( her best friend), the hope that Jorah will come back to her, Tyrion( a hand of the queen that she came to trust) and the hope that she can easily win the fight against Cersei. After episode 4 of season 8, Daenerys had went through: losing 2 of her 3 children, losing Jorah, losing Missandei, distrusting the hand of the queen due to him being a Lannister and constantly failing her, her army depleted and decimated for fighting in a war no one is grateful for, finding out the love of her life is the last male heir to her family with even better claim than her, and even one of her advisors turning against her and trying to poison her. To add to all of that, she always had tyrant tendencies. At the point she is now, I fully expected her to burn down King's Landing. Future generations will learn to obey her through fear, which is the only way she sees it possible with Jon around.
@@James-kd2qm Dany is her father's daughter. She was cray cray from the jump. Sansa has been around madness long enough to recognize it and was absolutely right to try to get away from it. Dany's tutor was her insane brother. It's called genes and genetics. She would have been cray cray no matter what. Jorah and Barristan Selmy had a hard time keeping her in check. *_Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin and the world holds its breath_*
Moon Moon Sinha I finally understand why she did it. She knows she wouldnt be able to rule with only love and etc. because of Jon. So the only way she could, was by fear. So that no one would even dare to try getting Jon, or anyone else on the throne. And also make everyone else in Westeros fear her. «Alright then, let it be fear»
th-cam.com/video/PZwSmZRQ1vU/w-d-xo.html I dont know why you blame her... this, the useless jon snow, all traitors.. sadly, she wasnt strong enough to destroy the evil inside due all things people she trusted did.. its not right, but I dont blame her.. this is what they were looking for. you get what you give. I agree with your final thoughts.. that was the reason :( stupid cersei.. she finally died
Is it just me or the Hound had the best arc of all?At least he completed his mission in the end and died valliantly by winning his brother and his fear of fire by diving into it!!!I think it was the most heroic scene in that episode!I already miss you Santor!!!You had a great character development!!!!💖
Michael Pascua The lord of light is this show’s way of making plot armor logical. But it’s kinda confusing that he would interfere with simple man vs man fights. It made sense that he would stop man kind’s extinction. Maybe denarys is so corrupt that he helped Arya out so she could kill the mad queen.
Hdjdhdj Hdhdhd both. I’m saying that game of Thrones had plot armor for certain characters and their excuse is that the lord of light wants them to stay alive for a reason.
To that guy that keeps saying "I don't know why Dany did all that'....You were given hints and signs for seasons... FOR SEASONS... you were just not paying attention or chose to look the other way.
No, Sansa and Varys had two very DIFFERENT reasons. Sansa disliked Dany cuz A. She didn't want to kneel to any more rulers, wanted the North to be independent B. She didn't trust an outsider like Dany Varys started to turn on Dany cuz he saw that Jon was a suitable heir, and would be better for the realm instead of Dany
@@ariqrashid4034 you're right, they both had different reasons. However, Varys was looking at Dany sideways even before he knew about Jon. He started to see the signs since the feast after the battle of Winterfell. Remember, he had experience serving her father. He knew they're madness first hand.
Sansa was right! Thank you very much. She peeped that Mad Queen shit from the jump. My girl has been around too many tyrants not to see it. She said it to Tyrion "You fear her". STOP UNDERESTIMATING HER READ ON PEOPLE. Also, I believe the build-up to Dany becoming the mad queen was AWFUL. I saw the little hints here and there but the writers never fully committed to her true madness in the previous seasons so to me this episode flopped.
As bad as their writing has been, D&D flat out stated in one of the vids that Sansa only made things worse with her actions - she pushed Dany even further down the path. I think they're right.
@@rosesongoku6980 Mannn fuck D&D, their excuses for everything is "oh that character forgot" so nah I don't gaf about their little vids. Apparently, Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet five seconds after she was told by Varys where they were located which in turn caused the death of Rhaegal, please.... they really trashed this season. Also blaming Sansa for something that was inevitable is a copout. Murdering innocent people was a choice made by Dany alone & all she did was prove Sansa right.
Okay there have been Little steps throughout the past three seasons that brought her closer and closer to her edge. It was obvious to see that. And these past three episodes push her over that edge. It really wasn't that hard to see it coming
@@brookcty without Sansa actions i can't see what happened to KL happening. it just proved to Danny that she would never be loved and fear was her only weapon
It's not like arya would care about king landing, that was where they executed her dad and everyone went to watch and didn't do anything to save her family...
Arya needs to die, her thicc ass plot armor is one of the biggest problems in season 8. Like seriously I don't understand when she became the main protagonist.
Respect. She did what she said she would do so many times before, burm their cities to the ground by fire and blood. People acting like she was the good guy when it was so obvious ehat her intentions actually were.
You're really basing this off of an empty threat in season 2 when her people were dying lmfao. For every time she said she would "burn cities to the ground" she said she wouldn't be the queen of ashes, or not the blood of the innocents, or not the children. Most people saying she was always mad only say that because they wanted her to be the bad guy because they dislike her character. Like we get it you don't like her but don't make a fool of yourself trying to justify it with your subjective analysis.
She lost 2 children, a man that was dedicated to her more than everyone else, her best friend, her love interest and her claim to the iron throne and all for nothing. She just snapped.
Exactly! Everything has pointed to this since the beginning. The only thing that I hated is how Cersei died. They simply couldn't finish everything smoothly in 6 episodes. Blame it all on the budget I guess
I’m one of the few people who actually liked the episode. I feel so empty after watching it, I’ve been so lost the whole day, thinking about what I’ll do once the series is done. I admit, I don’t have social life lol. It’s just.. i spent last 6 years of my life expecting new episodes every year and that kinda kept me going( along with Avengers) . I guess I’ll watch it over and over again. Now I’m left with my actual problems and have to deal with them, this sucks:)))) Btw Okay, I’m such a shallow person, but the thing that made me the saddest in this episode was how Jaime’s character turned out to be. All these seasons he’d shown us such a great character development, and he died with Cersei at the very end, just like that, with her in his arms.. I feel so empty knowing he actually didn’t love Brienne and left her like that. I remember laughing at the fans who believed he left B to go back to Cersei( I thought it was well known he left to kill her). Well, I was a fool i guess 😑 and his last words bug me sooo much “ nothing else matters. Only us” wow, poor brienne... at the end, Jaime is as toxic as Cersei, and they deserve each other. It leaves a bittersweet taste in my mouth, Cersei still had a firm hold of Jaime and his actions until his last breath. But it was symbolic I guess, them dying in each other’s hands just like how they spent their lives I read one comment “they were brought from the same womb and ended in the same tomb” and it made me laugh so hard
Are you korean? // jamie killing cersei is far-fetched though. she has his child and as tyrion said "she never fooled you. you always knew exactly what she was, but you loved her anyway" ... and, sad to say, with Brienne, that was not really an act of love. He never even said that he does...
They have been foreshadowing Dany turning for years but really ramped it up last season. I can't believe so many people were caught by surprise at her actions
The books have. Not the show. And even in the books, she wouldn't do any of this, even though she's clearly insane. It was honestly too rushed and non-sensical. The plot made zero sense for this season.
@@rai2423 I never read the books. I have literally seen this coming for years. She got more and more ruthless as the seasons go bye but last season confirmed it when she started demanding that you either bend the knee or burn.
@@jasonryals7230 True. But what always defined her character was that she did not like harming the weak and poor, that's always been her thing. She's evil and ruthless to her enemies but kind and caring to the weak. That's why it didn't make sense for her to burn King's Landing, especially when she knew they had surrendered. Her going mad make sense but not this.
I’m not saying she killed innocents before I’m just stating that she’s always had a brutal streak. Even when she killed the old slave masters, she never bothered to discern who was actually guilty of hanging those children. My point was that her streak of insanity has been going on for years but we mainly chose to ignore it because she was going up against people who we would consider evil.
@@brandonself6287 Being brutal and being insane is not the same thing tho... Most rulers in this show have done the same or worse to their enemies were they insane? No! Was Jon insane when he killed Janis for disobeying his orders and insulting him? Was Robert Baratheon insane for letting the Lannister army stack King's Landing and kill and rape the civilians? No.
@@rai2423 difference being that dany has always been disconnected from everyone whose tried to have power. Cause SHE was the only one ALLOWED to have the power. Now she only knows power through fear. Easy to flip and decide to kill everyone when you're so far above everyone else, both physically and mentally.
Daenerys going full "mad" queen wasn't just "madness" and grief and anger. It was also the practical realization that she doesn't have the love of the people, and only fear will make them submit to her rule.
varys is right about dany. Sorry not sorry. He's one of the only characters who truly cares for the commoners. Dany going presumably mad has been foreshadowed since the beginning. I always liked her character but i never idealized her. I actually always thought, since i read a book, that her story was the slow development of one of the main antagonists of the ending. And many others book readers think the same. The show is not messing her, that is her arc. And well, as I said before, I agree with varys. He's sure gonna die, but he is right
I'm surprised that people don't see the build up of the mad queen. It was always there. However, the problem with the show is, how rushed it felt in the final season and that the bell ringing part was a weak trigger to set her off. A much better final trigger would've been if after the surrender, Cersei ordered to shot a few hidden scorpions from the Red Keep, and one of them injured Drogon.
Dany was watching Jon Snow and the soldiers standoff, and they surrendered to Jon, not her and her dragon. When the bells rang, it confirmed what she knew in her head already, the people would never love her like they love Jon, and would never truly obey. So she decided it is better to be feared than loved.
What the hell are you talking about??? They surrendered because Dany wreked them. Took out the iron fleet, all the scorpions AND the gold company! Jon had shyt to do with them surrendering. They were overwhelmed and begged for the bells to be rung.
@@alexiaskaggs1855 She didn't even probably see them. She very cleary was intent on burning the city before anyone ever surrendered. Stop trying to make this mess make sense, cus it doesn't.
@@alexiaskaggs1855 nah I'm sorry that's a big stretch.... She knew damn well they surrendered because of her. It's just wack.. They turned Dany into some insecure queen who really wasn't ready to play the game of thrones.
Sansa was one character who actually lived among kings and other people in power, was forced to stay in relationships with truly evil people and saw first hand how much the realm suffered under tyrants. She's seen the most conniving of the most conniving at work and she's been paying attention. There is no way she didnt pick up on Dany's tyrannical tendencies no matter how sweet and polite she acted toward Sansa. Dany has a huge ego and she's not good at hiding it. I feel like Sansa can almost sense a bad ruler a mile away.
I knew that Dany was going to turn. Could tell when she became so uppity when she saw Jon being loved by his people. Knew when she told Jon that the only way to be harmonious was to do as he was told. Hated her then, now justified in my hatred.
Foreshadowing is not the same thing as actually developing a character arc. You can say her ‘madness’ was foreshadowed as much as you want but the truth of the matter is, it still doesn’t make sense. They never really showed Dany do anything that would make us(me especially) she is actually going mad. You can’t just have a couple of characters worry about it, have her save millions of lives and then just magically make her go mad. There is no progression. There is her being a hero and then in a span of an episode she is mad. Hinting that Daenerys will go mad isn’t the same thing as actually writing her decent to madness, i dont care if you foreshadowed it. It still doesn’t make sense. You know what else was foreshadowed? -Dany getting pregnant -Jon killing the Night King -the Night King destroying the world Foreshadowing doesn’t mean shit without adequate narrative development which GOT hasn’t delivered.
Daenerys had a heart but there have been seeds, all the way back to S1, when she behaved like a cruel conquerer. Where she SOMETIMES didn't use the allotted time to look for other ways (to make an example of a bad person(s)). Where vengeance & pain was her FIRST weapon of choice. That she either used ... or was talked down from using. Daenerys’s tactics have been deeply rooted in dominance moreso then free-will. Actions that pivoted around the idea of revenge (after her family was exiled & hunted). At times, she has been vain and completely convinced of her own brilliance. Agreeing to save the world from the white-walkers was Daenerys indeed at her best. Plus it can be easily argued that you have to be a cruel conqueror to deal with cruel conquerors or villains. Behave like one on the wheel until u can destroy the wheel. She had reason to feel entitled to the throne. Because of the dragons she magically returned to existence etc. But not always has Daenerys looked remorseful during or immediately after killing someone(s)... or later spoke regret. Meanwhile leaders like Ned, Tyrion, or Jon have to a greater degree. She lost the people who gave her genuine love &/or balance. She likely snapped while pondering a past filled with multiple betrayal & loss too. I feel bad for Daenerys fans. But her winning the throne is ultimately & tragically not the reward she was destined for. I hope we see loving Daenerys in her final shot ... reminding us to miss her.
The episode was disappointing for me. I feel like Cersei deserved a worse death. Idk, the episode felt unsatisfying. But I'm with Rob on this one. I BEEN over Dany.
Cersei just standing there in the Red Keep was the last straw that triggered her. She was one move ahead of Danerys from season 7 so she did what I do when I keep losing a game. She "flipped the whole table over"😂 Fire and blood.
Saying Dany was never like this isn't true. In the very beginning she swore she'd burn cities down when her dragons were grown. She may be lovely and put on a pretty face and may have good intentions, but she always had this authoritarian mentality. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all it takes is one bad day.
Luckily the books won't happen like that. People keep talking about how GRRM told them all about everything, but that's not true. He gave them the existence of certain major "beats," but not what would outright happen. D&D chose to do it this way.
@Iam NoOne Yikes. Imagine being so obsessed with a TV show that you think you can mock others...and yet you end up being so, so wrong. That must be a hard life.
She was always going to be the Mad Queen. From season 1. She's always been a Khal. A conqueror. She's not a benevolent ruler. They've made us love and hate characters throughout the series. The problem is that they went too fast with it in the end. They need probably two more seasons. But, the end result was destined to be the same.
I realize people have an emotional attachment to Dany, we've grown and seen her story from the start. But if you really watch through the episodes and put your fan-feelings aside for her--all the ques were there of her going full on Tyrant. Her friends and advisors did a good job keeping her in check, but now that they are all dead or not trusted (Tyrion) the floodgates are open. She has no love for the Westeros people, since she came from across the narrow sea--they see her as an outsider, and make demands of her. In her mind she is The Savior, she about had all of Essos bend the knee to her. So why should she care about burning cities in a land who doesn't love or want to follow her (her mindset). I do agree though that the season was rushed, we really need atleast a few more episodes in between.
i think arya's gonna kill grey worm use his face to kill dany in front of jon who's gonna give the throne to sansa and his gonna stay in winterfell and bran is gonna go rebuild the wall and stay at castle black
People acting like the entire series hasn't been building to Dany losing it must not have been watching the show I've been watching because I can completely understand her perspective and how boxed in, paranoid and abandoned/betrayed by everyone around her she feels? Vary's, Tyrion and Jon betrayed her on top of Missandei's death. But Jon had a chance to bring her back from the edge, but he rejected her love and at that point she had nothing left but pain, grief and lonliness. Also props to Emilia. She legitimately looked unhinged and emotionally wrecked when the bells were ringing.
I feel that the Mad Queen was foreshadowed all the way back to Season 2 when she wanted to take revenge, lay waste to armies, and burn cities to the ground. I think that is her natural self. This is her character! Now I also believe that she had people around her that kept her at bay (Jorah, Missandei, Tyrion, and Jon) from living out these impulses. But now she has lost all of them to either death or lack of trust. I love Dany but I saw this coming long ago. But I do wish that Cersei had a better death then what she got in this episode!
I dont understand why ppl are shocked at Danny's behavior. She showed little signs of this since Astapore. She's suffered loss, gone through traumatic events, gone paranoid with the ppl she surrounded herself with. Losing that battle and the death of her bestfriend along with feeling betrayed and denied by Jon was the icing on the cake. She went mad
She’s been the mad queen since drago killed her brother she had no emotion when he did and she been getting progressively madder throughout the whole show.
"She had no emotion"? Thats bs and u know it. Bruh she chained her dragon after it burned an innocent child. Along with other good deeds. I dont ve a problem with her becoming mad, i'm just pissed at the way they went abt it..no doubt she's been ruthless to her enemies. However it felt like becoming the mad king came out of no where
She had to burn the whole city to the ground. No matter what she did, The people would never accept her and always see her as an "outsider". So its better to wipe out the bad and start a new empire. Also you shouldn't overlook Cercei's decision to put her own people as bait which is far worse than what Danny did. As the saying goes "Nothing is fair in love and war". I felt bad in the beginning but understood the logic behind her decision. Of course some effects etc. could have been improved on but the idea overall is perfect!
On the next episode of Sansa Was Right.... Also, that wildfire wasn't Cersei's. It was the remains of the wildfire that the Mad King stored all over the city and intended to set off before Jaime killed him. It's showing how Dany is just like her dad, burning King's Landing down. The Wildfire is exploding all over the way he would have wanted, but the crazy thing is, she's causing far more destruction than it looked like he ever would have.
Cersei and Dany are like mirrors of each other... 1. Both had 3 “children”...they both lost their children (except Drogo) 2. Both feel betrayed and abandoned by their lover 3. Both are willing to destroy the masses. Cersei with the Sept and Dany with KL...and Dany has threatened to destroy multiple cities but didn’t with the advice of her advisors. I think the the writers did some of the characters a major disservice (Dany, Jamie and even Cersei). They completely assassinated their characters arcs. But with more time I think it would have been better. I’m really disappointed and don’t expect to be satisfied with the series finale.
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The wildfire is from the hidden stashes in the city left over from her fathers reign, the said in season 3 that not all of the wildfire caches were ever found
Cuyler Hair oh yeahhhh
It’s symbolic. The wildfire that blew up was small compared to Dany’s fire, but her Father was killed by Jamie and called the Mad King for thinking about blowing that all up when he said “burn them all”. Danys fire was much worse so she has Super Mad Queen status now
@@SickandTide her father had a lot kore wildfire but it was used bu cersei and tyrion
@@SickandTide yep. It's a full circle thing too. The Mad King's daughter fulfilled his last wish.
@@RTTV2011 yeah the wildfire going off beneath the city wasn't put there, or made at Cersei's instruction. They were still hidden throughout the city from the Mad King's reign, and Drogon's flame ignited them all. In the books Cersei does grow to have an obsession with Wildfire in A Feast for Crows though.
It's an important issue in the books because wildfire is so volatile and only needs the slightest disturbance to go up in flames. Therefore it needs to be stored extremely carefully, so the older it is, and longer it's been there, the easier it is to set off, so from time to time Kingslanding would uncover a cache of the mad kings wildfire, and they will need to evacuate the people from that area before trying to safely remove it.
The viewers complained in ep 3 about the lighting
So the producers made sure that ep 5 was pretty lit
Ꭰan bruh wtf are you even talking about?? Why would the episode taking place in daytime not be lit??
They shot and edited these episodes months ago. You dumb if you think they’d do reshoots in 2 weeks to address fans issues in the episodes. Lmao
@@dkg6826 ...Im pretty sure he was joking lol 😂
@@dkg6826 sis she's talking about dany lighting king's landing up lmao
justblaze2006 Fair point if it was, but I’ve seen people online talk about game of thrones show runners trying to ‘fix’ things here and there. Lol
stan loona stan talent okay but my point still stands re reshoots. Lol
The green flames that went off have been there since the Mad King, he didn’t get to use them cause Jaime killed him so they’ve just been hidden under Kings Landing since - Dany’s flames triggered them to go off
I didn't even realize!
facts
No shit
Maybe the Mad King couldn' t accomplish his wish, but the Mad Queen did it!!!😬
"Burn them all!!!Burn them all! Burn them all Danny!!!"
" Ok dad!! Got it!!!"
Drogon "dracarys" them all!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Those lil poofs of green were teased since 2012. I’m disappointed 😔
The Mad Queen descent was rushed, but I've seen a lot of people all over the Internet make fun of the bells and at Daenerys' mind breaking at the point of surrender but it made sense and was set up earlier in the episode.
Season 1 to 7 showed up a Daenerys that rose from the very lowest of lows to the height of power. In Season 1 and 2, we see Daenerys realize that without power, no one will respect her or take her claim seriously. She’s told repeatedly that she’s nothing without an army, and she’s nothing without ships. She gains those. We cheer for her.
When Daenerys leaves Essos, she thinks she can rule through compassion and be loved by the people once she gets rid of Cersei. She had her armies. She had dragons. She had powerful allies in Westeros. She had the strongest claim to the throne and finally had the chance to take King’s Landing.
Season 7 and Season 8 was about losing that power. First, her powerful allies are stripped away one by one. Olenna, Elliria, Yara. Tyrion mismanages them as Hand of the Queen and makes horrible tactical mistakes.
In S08E01, Daenerys realizes she doesn’t have the love of the people. In Essos, she broke their chains and earned their devotion. In the North, Sansa and Jon had already broken their chains. They defeated Ramsay. Sansa and Jon, as Starks, have earned their loyalty for a lifetime. Daenerys is faced with a smallfolk - her subjects - that don’t love her.
In S08E02, she loses her claim. Jon tells her his true identity, and suddenly she’s not the only Targaryen in the world. Even moreso, Jon’s claim is stronger. He’s a natural leader. She’s immediately threatened by his confession, and is shaken by it.
In S08E03, she loses Jorah. He was there for her since the beginning. He was devoted to her not because of her power, not because of her dragons, but because he loved her. He never would’ve betrayed her and she trusted him fully. He’s essentially been her rock through all her hardship. And then he dies protecting her.
In S08E04, she loses her second child and Missandei, her best friend. One by one, everyone she held close that was devoted to her and her alone was taken from her. Her dragons were a symbol of her power; with only one left, she was beginning to get desperate. Her only advisor from Essos was Grey Worm, and he was a soldier.
In S08E05, she loses Varys, Tyrion, and Jon. Through betrayal, no less. Jon betrays her by telling Sansa and the rumor spreads. Varys openly conspires against her and (presumably) tries to poison her and turn Jon against her. She kills him without a trial, without asking for his last words, and without a second thought.
Jon goes to her, and she seeks one last bit of comfort from him. She tells him that people love him, and that’s something she’ll never have.
”Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
He counters by saying that he loves her, and that she’ll always be his queen. But when they kiss, Daenerys realizes that he’ll never truly love her again. And so, she says: "Alright then. Let it be fear"
When the bells ring, Daenerys realizes that while the city has surrendered she’ll never be secure as queen as long as the people don’t truly, irrevocably fear her. She will never be loved by them. She has lost everything she has gained and every friend she’s made, and she’s completely alone. Word about Jon having a stronger natural claim to the throne is probably out as well at this point. So King’s Landing becomes a symbol of everything she’s ever been through - her brother selling her like a brood mare, Drogo's death, being ridiculed and laughed at from Pentos to Slaver's Bay to Mereen, being threatened at every turn, losing her dragons, losing her loved ones. She’s on her dragon, she’s alone, she feels powerless, and she’s angry.
So what does she do when feels powerless? She reminds them all that she is still powerful. The people will never love her, so they will fear her.
(credit to u/smallasianchick on reddit) that being said, I couldn´t have put it any better
Daamn, very nicely said
I disagree. She was always a little of. But being mad and being evil is not the same. Dany was never the type to hurt innocent people just because. And she doesn't like ruling through fear. She wants people to love her. This was not only rushed it wasn't even done in a logical way.
@@rai2423 she literally told Jon this episode "ok, fear it is..." this was after Jon refused to love her like she loves him.
@@rai2423 I agree, but I don't think it was rushed. Her advisors were often the only thing holding her back from being a complete tyrant once she gained a bit of power, even all the way back in season 3. With all of them gone (she doesn't trust or respect Tyrion anymore), and realizing no one loves her (Jon doesn't love her in the way she wants him to), she feels she has no choice but to resort to fear. All of season 8 has been her losing the people she loves (either through death or perceived betrayal), the same people keeping her more impulsive and violent tendencies in check. Her snapping didn't come out of nowhere and didn't feel rushed, at least to me.
Thatburgerpatty How about I kill your 2 best friends and 2 of your children in front of your face, then have the love of your life reject you and take your career away from you and see how quick you break down.
One of these events is usually enough to instantly destroy a persons stable mind, so what Daenerys had to go through it was amazing she lasted so long before going mad.
I don't understand how you can say it's rushed, it's like you have no life experience and have never had anything bad happen in your life that just came out of nowhere and knocked the wind out of you.
The guy in dreads is right. The problem is that the show writers expect us to take those as reasons for her going mad. However, her descent into madness is too rushed. So all these things that happened at such a short time are not enough reasons for her going from 'breaker of chains' to 'genocidal mad queen'.
It's just bad forced story writing.
Funny, if butcher every man woman and child if my wife or mother was beheaded in front of my eyes. Dany has lost much more and gone through much worse. Try ringing some annoying bells at the end while letting her watch smug cercei just a few meters away in a tower. Yea fuck that. The writers indeed rushed it but ain’t no delusions about what dany did. Shit I’d do it too given the same circumstance.
Personally I think you guys saying it's rushed weren't looking at her entire history that we've seen you're only looking at S8 plots: Jon being a threat, her not having love there, Missandei death as her reasons into descent but those are just a few things. Lets look at everything from season 2 on also she just said to Jon how since the people won't love her they'll fear her, but season 2 she didn't get ships from the merchant and JUST because he refused to kiss her ass and just give away his livelihood for her campaign she threatened to come back and burn the entire city down when the city did nothing to her. She burned all the masters when she stole the unsullied we overlook it because the word masters instantly makes them bad guys and deserving to us, but it doesn't mean they all deserved to be murdered. Same in mereen she had the city won and everything and crucified all those masters on impulse and like her husband said they weren't all villains his father spoke against slavery. No one ever criticizes her for murdering all the Khals in Vas Dothrak *spelling* they did nothing to her and it wasn't a liberating thing and again her fans just cheered her on. Season 7 she wanted so badly to come and burn the shut down from jump she has had a massive blood lust ever since the dragons were born but every single time it got to mad queen level she was told by Tyrion, Jorah, Ser Beristan don't that's your father's thinking and she'd undo or not do said action. Her burning the city was not something she hadn't said she'd do plenty of times the difference is now she doesn't have who? Jorah, Selmy, Tyrion is on the thinnest of ice she has zero love in the country her best friend is headless and her current best friend is a eunich who's woman is the headless friend and wants blood as much as her. The bells didn't make her just flip a switch into mad queen it had her thinking of her entire life of thinking she was born for this throne and the people would love her and cheer for her return and the long stuggle filled road it took to get here and find it's the total opposite the people won't love her rule so they'll have to fear it. And now no one can successfully counteract her inhibitions.
AlexanderThe Great Thank you, that was a beautiful way of putting it. Too many people think that this came out of no where just because they were unhappy with it but if you paid attention you could tell early on in the story that Dany would eventually be willing to do anything for power, and that same desire for power would mold her into the mad queen.
@@cannongerber3257 Yup after about season 5 I was thinking its taking her forever and S6 after her speech to the Dothraki I thought wow this is like her 3rd speech to Dothraki alon, and her millionth speech overall literally she has a speech a season about how she's the chosen one and such, usually in TV and movies when someone has a singular goal for that long they don't achieve it lol. Seriously I'm a huge film/tv I can see most of everything coming a mile away as most shows/movies follow history which was the thing people loved about GOT it wasn't as predictable(well to none book readers) most characters when they have a goal if it lasts a season or 2 they do achieve it, but most times if it lasts longer than that they don't say they want to kill someone and the 1st season or 2 they do actually try and will but by another season something happens to when the opportunity comes something changes "I've grown, I'm not like you, live with your shame" something like that happens. I was like Dany is going in circles not that I didn't enjoy watching I'm just talking about sitting back and analyzing it with non hopeful eyes. She goes round and round she's down with something she needs but doesn't have in her possession something happens where she finesses said thing into her possession and makes a speech. No army or dragons makes speech gets dragons, dying in desert no money steals guys gold and shit, no unsullied she dragons her way into unsullied and makes a speech "liberating", no 2nd sons she beauty's her way into them while liberating and "Myshas" instead of speech that time, goes to meereen and makes a speech down on attacks everytime dragons gets her out every time while getting ships into her possession, makes another speech to Khalesar. Then the Jon reveal made it that even if it wasn't him made it more concrete to ME she would never be queen over there. I even was surprised D&D held back that long of her burning down KL for a fanbase who takes every single line spoken and every little look as symbols and meaning something big they totally forgot about in Brans vision Drogon over kings landing that was way back in S4. And the episode fulfilled that vision with the same exact shot Drogon shadow over KL notice they didn't show it in the S7 finale. It was setup well before this season at least since season 3 her bloodlust and potential.
AlexanderThe Great Dany had to win the throne thats the main problem of the season. Is that they ruined the perfect ending for trying to shock the audience. And also all the theories failed. So is so false that daenerys was mad. Cause all the theories were wrong. Jamie killing Cersei etc...
Can't believe D&D refused to do 10 episodes even though HBO and GRRM insisted on 10
It's because a) they wanted to pack as much action into like 2 episodes that would drain the whole budget not allowing for more than six episodes and b) they were ready to move on from the show and wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible.
lollypop2414 true, but could also be that they were offered the next Star Wars trilogy from Disney, they ready to move on 🤷♀️
lollypop2414 1) the budget was never the problem. 2) they could’ve resigned and let other more passionate writers finish if they wanted to rush to a shitty Star Wars project
HBO would never opt to give them 10 episodes if a budget were a problem.. You really think a show of this level can’t afford 4 more episodes.. it was all character regression instead of character development
@@kyloren1014 that's the thing, they supposedly wrote season 8 back in 2017. That's plenty of time to write a 10 episode season.
And if there even was a delay, I'm sure Disney woulda waited on them. Kinda like how they're waiting on Ryan Coogler to finish his new movie so he can do Black Panther 2.
Actors : fantastic~
CG : unbelievable~
Special effects : awesome~
Music : great~
Writers : Dracarys
i loved this episode
Great? The music was about as good as the CGI dood... It's so much more than great.
@@SirKolass You're right, it wasn't great. It was perfection. The music is the best thing about the last season. The cinematography is brilliant too. Don't let your hatred for the script blind you entirely.
@@Predestinated1 you love this episode? This is legit one of the worst endings to a show I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of endings. 4 years ago you must have had the worst taste, I hope you still don't think this
@@metallol5337 plot points are fine, even Bran the broken. It's just Dumb and Dumber's arrogant asses didn't want to hand off the show, so HBO could make more episodes to flesh all this stuff out.
Hopefully the Jon Snow sequel will fix some of this shit. Excited for HOTD tho
Hate to say but Joffrey was right about worrying about Daenerys in season 3 and Tywin was wrong not to.
"Tell me about the Targaryen girl in the east and her dragons"
Where did you hear about this?
"Is it true?"
Apparently so.
"Don't you think we ought to do something about it?"
When I was Hand of the King under your father's predecessor, the skulls of all the Targaryen dragons were kept in this room. The skull of the last of them was right here. It was the size of an apple.
"And the biggest was the size of a carriage"
Yes, and the creature to whom it belonged died 300 years ago. Curiosities on the far side of the world are no threat to us.
"But how do we know these dragons are just curiosities and not the beasts that brought the whole world to heel?"
Robert was also right about the threat
3 3 Robert Baratheon was right as well.
@@smarie2842 Problem is, if they killed Dany back then the night King would still be around.
tywin did take it into consideration which is why he wanted oberyn and dorne on their side considering the dornish were able to prevent aegon from conquering their land when he came.
Tywin wasn't wrong. He wanted to keep Joffrey in the dark so he wouldn't cause havoc to the public. Tywin was planning to ally with the Dornish, in case you forgot.
“he looks like varys” lmao 💀
This part had me dyin
Burned
My mom, friend and I said the same thing lol.
I said the exact same thing.
I thought it was Darth Vader...
I wonder how many ppl are regretting naming their kid “Khaleesi” or “Daenerys.” 🤣
SolidSnake8295 lmaooo
I literally JUST said that lol. They should've just went with Arya lol.
This episode killed my hopes for a good series finale
Even if Dany didn't end up like this, anyone who'd name their kid after a TV character is a fuckin' idiot.
😂😂😂
The Scorpions got nerfed in patch 8x05
LOL
Thats what irritated me the most. Ep 4 they hit the other dragon 3 times with pinpoint accuracy but couldn't even scratch Drogon. I don't get it
Underrated comment 🤣🤣🤣.
But on the serious note. They got caught by surprise the first time. This time they were prepared.
Buff HOTPIE
LMFAO chill bro
Cersei: '' I choose violence. ''
Daenerys: '' OK THEN LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ''
🤣🤣🤣🤣
And that's why I love GOT.
Not gonna lie, that shit is satisfying. Danny literally destroyed the fucking city because Cersei couldn't quit being a bitch
Daenerys: When my dragons are grown we will take back what was stolen from me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.
Y'all: yaaas
Daenerys: I will take what is mine through fire and blood.
Y'all: yaaas
Daenerys: does just that
y'all: Why? Why?
Copypasted comments. Sad.
Don't be dishonest, her victory was anounced loud and clear before she decided to kill every single civillian in the city.
The decent into madness was too fast. And it seemed like for no reason. Fire and blood doesnt mean Danny pulling a complete 180 instantly and killing civilians explicitly. Take note of Star wars and luke skywalker. THATS how you portray someones decent into evil.
EXACTLY LMMFAO
@@crazytwitchfan8049 dont work hard... work smart
Rob killed it with his take on Dany and the white walkers. My boy been getting better.
Rob was actually the best when they just started. He figured Joffrey was incest baby in first few episodes.he just lost it mid way
@@metallol5337 he talking abt the reactor Rob not the character 🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂
@@GhostTetr4 shit you right, I must have glanced over the comment and went to the replies
Like the old saying goes, If you have to explain a joke then it's not funny. Same thing here, if half the fanbase is completely confused about how/why Dany "snapped" then, it wasn't executed properly. There is no room for ambiguity with 2 episodes left. We all watched the character build up and/or read the books so, it's deeply disappointing to see it portrayed in this way. The Mad Queen story could've been dope AF but, it just fell flat and felt rushed like Pat said. On a brighter note, Emilia Clarke is still fine and is doing a helluva job.
I do find it weird that so many people were surprised when it seemed so obvious to others. They definitely rushed it a bit but it was foreshadowed for a long time, I feel like a lot of the audience were falling for her rhetoric along with the characters in the show. She was progressively becoming more and more of a tyrant for the last 3 seasons, and the death of her 2nd dragon during the battle sent her over the edge. She even said it to John in this episode "Fear it is then". That was the moment she chose to abandon her image as the breaker of chains. She was desperate for vengeance and it was snatched away from her by the surrender, so she snapped and just went on a massacre regardless.
Thank youuu!!! I’m surprised people haven’t realized that yet, since the beginning they been showing her slowly turn mad
@@homedogoli It wasn't a surprise that she turned mad, the surprise came from the poor execution and writing lol.
They were all gonna laugh at her, so she went full on prom scene from "Carrie"
Snailbarf good one ! Lol
And I loved it all.
Cersei: I don't want to die, not like this.
Me: Neither did Missandei.
Neither did Myrcella.
@@joshuagross3151 neither did Oberyn
@@elevate07 Technically he did.
Neither did Rickon
Neither did Margaery
You are so right...The Bells (name of the episode). I forgot about the story told to her about how the people of Kingslanding celebrated and rang the bells for days after Jamie killed her father.
Remember what she looked like when Tyrion came into the war room. She looked like death...dark circles, not eating, a deep depression. The Bells triggered all the feelings of heavy loss, betrayal, and Jon not being able to commit to her as her lover, and how the people of Kingslanding cheered for days about her fathers death. The Bells were the trigger!
Because Varys had the kid trying to poison her.
That could of been a good story they just didn’t tell it
“Behold, a pale horse, and upon it rode death”
Rode or sat, one of the two
Or a tiny girl that will probably be responsible for Daenerys' death seeing how much plot armor she has been given.
Could you explain this to me? Was this something in the book? Or a quote i forgot in the show?
@@hvpice on bible i guess
Jesus Carrillo wowwww
Throughout the seasons, her advisors made her make more diplomatic decisions. She’s always been more prone to violence but she trusted her advisors and their decisions. Now she doesn’t trust anyone. All her friends died. She’s isolated. She’s gonna act on all of her violent thoughts.
Exactly, she always had this in her, she was just talked out of it numerous times by those around her.
Sansa forced her hand. She’s sacrificing Kings Landing to scare the 7 kingdoms into ignoring her illegitimacy. It’s Game of Thrones.
No one supported her so she was like a cornered animal. She acted on instinct like a reflex, burn or be burned.
problem is she's never reacted towards violence towards innocent people before, she even chained her dragons up when one killed a child. Killing soldiers and killing innocents is a huge difference.
And later on in the seasons they made it so whenever she listened to an advisor, someone she loves dies, and whenever she doesn't, she'll look more and more mad.
She broke the wheel.
Cersei and Tyrion were still playing 'The Game of Thrones', while Daenerys wasn't playing any games...not anymore.
The war was already won. She could've just destroyed the Red Keep if she wanted to send an even more clear message.
BIG FACTS. PEOPLE ALWAYS WANNA RESORT TO DIPLOMACY, which is the DOWN FALL OF ALL MEN AND WOMEN IN THE WORLD. PEOPLE GET TIRED OF BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. BURN THE BUSH.
@@Web497 And all the civilians and plan to subjugate the world. She didn’t burn the wheel, she just replaced it with her own.
But all she did was replace the wheel with her own. She planned on subjugating the entire world. Worse than the Lannisters and her own father at that point.
Dany in S7: I’m not here to be queen of the ashes.
Dany in S8: hold my Starbucks cup.
Also Dany in S2: I WILL BURN YOUR CITY TO THE GROUND
dany was always crazy
Dany saying she won't be queen of the ashes was her quoting Tyrion. But her proclaiming she'll burn cities to the ground was all her way back in season 2.
She constantly said she didn’t want to be queen of the ashes. If they actually went that way it would’ve been boring
@@RichardStrong86 Right!
Rob is right, when you push ppl to your level of madness, this is what you get in return, you woke the Dragon 😂😂😂😂😂 and she came and turned everything to ash. It was wrong, it was fucked up, but this is what happens man.
He said that before she killed children
@@marcusnartatez She killed actual newborn infants too. She's a monster.
Hey, its war. It be like that sometimes.🤷🏾♂️
she was even judge before she went mad
@@reyanwilliams504 yeah I know but ppl seem to forget that lol even it was just last week lol
nothing happened in the first two episodes, now they have to rush to finish everything. shoulda just made this a full 10 episode season
trev_utd HBO offered but the writers refused smfh.
@@PandainAtlanta its a damn shame, this shoulda been one of the best seasons in tv history but them having to cram everything in to 6 episodes has ruined it
I don't necessarily love it. But she didn't flip because of the bells lmfao... She calculated that she's only going to rule through fear, because the people of Westeros love figures more like Jon.
What she doesn’t understand is love is earned overtime. If she conquered Westeros civilly, was fair in her rule, and people told tales of how the great Daenerys’ dragons helped defeat the Night King, saving the entire realm(!), then she would’ve eventually received those glances herself.
Westerosi culture views Targaryans and foreigners as monsters and savages. She realized her people, friends, and dragons died for people that give no fucks about them. She said if ya'll won't appreciate us for what we wanted to do for you then fuck you, the people after you will. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Also listening to what people tell her to do has lost her a lot, she snapped, maybe paranoid the bells were a trap or something idk, but this twist definitely isn't out of nowhere
@@ElTigreDelNorte_ Thats exactly how it fuckin is man, por fin alguien entiende alvvv
or probably she thinks it was too easy to win like this after everything she have lost
I agree with Jerry!! They have literally been saying since season 1 that the Targaryens are crazy. Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin. The pacing was horrible but it isn’t completely out of nowhere in my opinion. Dany started showing major signs of paranoia during season 7. For example, when Tyrion was asking about her successor, she said something to the point of, “so you’re thinking of my death already” or something like that. Plus her finding out about Jon’s birthright, no one liking her in the north, having two of her dragons killed, Missandei killed, Jon telling his sisters after she “ask” him not to, finding out her closest advisors are speaking secretly about Jon taking the throne, Jon NOT reciprocating the same affection for her anymore, and saying this episode, after Jon backs away, “Let it be fear”. ALL of this happening to her so damn fast and the fact that her family is known for being mad, and not being able to trust any of her own advisors, it was bound to happen. I take that scene of her staring at the red keep when the bells are ringing as her TRYING NOT to go mad but she sees her “birthright” and she looses her mind and does what she said she would. Take what is her’s with fire and blood
Why are people surprised she is acting like this? She's hinted towards it since season 1. She's ruthless and always has been. Her advisers have been the only people able to keep her worst intentions in check....until now.
will she’s ruthless but not mad well until this episode
@@TheLassbonny It's been hinted at since season one, also book one.
@@JAY11793 Yet you'll still be watching next Sunday
@@JAY11793 I wouldn't say the books hint at her being mad. She struggles with either being a "True Targaryen" conqueror or being savior
will she locked her dragons up because they burnt a little child. And then she wins the war but kills all those innocent people and children how does that make sense.
This is pretty much why she set kingslanding on fire
according to the creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioff in the "Behind the Episode," once Dany saw the Red Keep, which apparently the Targaryens built during the time of their rule but which had been taken away from them, the unfairness of that huge familial loss washed over her. Presumably, the decades-long grudge for her whole family and herself took over. She took back the city by fire as if she were trying to avenge her Targaryen ancestors-and channeling their craziness, in the process.
If you'll remember, Dany had a vision in season 2 of herself walking towards the Iron Throne, but it was all burnt and ruined. That vision came true tonight: Dany has made the decision that she's going to be Queen of the Ashes, and she's ok with it.
That doesn't really make sense
Bob Evans it was ashes because in the end of season 8 EP 5 it was not snow faling it was all the dead people ashes
@Bob Evans I think that means Jon will take the throne from her. Or someone in the north
Cool but they didn’t tell that story and if u have to explain as a writer why ur character burned 500,000 children alive…. You failed as a writer
IM ALSO OKAY WITH IT, IVE NEVER LIKED KINGS LANDING THE PEOPLE THEIR, POOR OR RICH ARE ALL POMPOUS Lil Mfks.
Nope, the old wildfire caches were from Dany's dad, the mad King. Daddy and daughter finally destroyed the city.
Cersei wanted to finish what Dany's father started basically.
@@gingerlemon865 It isnt Cersei's wildfire but the Mad Kings. Dany burning everything with Drogons flame set it off.
@@gingerlemon865 He just said that wasn't her wildfire and Cersei wasn't planning on murdering everybody the way Dany did
Pretty funny when people are shocked Dany went Mad Queen. After all, she's been threatening blood and fire for years, not to mention she crucified 160+ people on mile marker posts. On Cersei, really a perfect death: Dirty, powerless, afraid, and forgotten. No epic death for her.
Every body dany ever killed was her enemy and they deserved it. Not once did she kill innocent people. Just admit it. This season's storyline has been rushed from the start. Lol
She crucified 160 slave masters, who just before sacrificed 160 slave children to prove a point.
@@BlackLynx4607a Hizdahr's dad didn't crucify anybody
@@BlackLynx4607a two wrongs dont make a right. They were monsters for doing that, Dant proved she was capable of being just as monsterous. Would Jon crucify people and make a spectacle of their corpses, leave them to rot in the sun? No. That's the difference. I knew Dany was dangerous once she started threatening people the moment she got a little power. I was no longer on her side based on her actions and missteps in Mereen. She was just a little girl with too much power. "Do as i say or dragons" is no basis for a system of government.
bbbfst when you put it like that Cersei’s death makes sense. But I still didn’t like it
Trying to figure out why there is even a throne left to fight for when there’s only like 10 people left alive 🤭
?? That was just one city. Theres still plenty to rule over
Darth Raider it was a joke 🤦🏻♀️
Um Kings landing isn’t the only city Westeros bitch
FL4 X woaaah calm down crouching tiger it ain’t that serious.
@@lynxyt_194 lmao @ using bitch out of nowhere. so much built up angst being trapped in your room alone.
Everyone: Dany shouldn't be queen. She's scary. She's just like her father. Jon should be king.
Dany: AIGHT BET
*sets the city ablaze*
Jon would be like Aenys l Targaryen, a complete softie who has everyone turn against him.
Dany: (says crazy shit)
Fans: SLAY QUEEN
Dany: (actually does it)
Fans: (shocked Pikachu)
I believe in Daenarys's mind, "Its not fair!" When the bells rang
I think you need to look at it through Dany's perspective:
She came to Westeros with 3 dragons, her full army, Missandei( her best friend), the hope that Jorah will come back to her, Tyrion( a hand of the queen that she came to trust) and the hope that she can easily win the fight against Cersei.
After episode 4 of season 8, Daenerys had went through: losing 2 of her 3 children, losing Jorah, losing Missandei, distrusting the hand of the queen due to him being a Lannister and constantly failing her, her army depleted and decimated for fighting in a war no one is grateful for, finding out the love of her life is the last male heir to her family with even better claim than her, and even one of her advisors turning against her and trying to poison her.
To add to all of that, she always had tyrant tendencies. At the point she is now, I fully expected her to burn down King's Landing. Future generations will learn to obey her through fear, which is the only way she sees it possible with Jon around.
How a king's grand nephew has a better claim than the king's daughter ?
@@a.m.studios6126 cause he's male
If you agree with her burning up innocent people your weird ass fuck bruh
It's almost as if Sansa had past experience of living with loose cannon psychopaths and could sense that in Dany too.
Lmao, I feel bad for laughing after all Sansa's been through, but you've got a point.
She’s just as responsible for kings landing as Cersei is if she hadn’t been scheming things would be fine right about now
@@James-kd2qm Forreal. Sansa would have been so good for Dany but she wanted to play games with someone who wasn't with it.
Sansa is actually just jealous confirmed by producers.
@@James-kd2qm Dany is her father's daughter. She was cray cray from the jump. Sansa has been around madness long enough to recognize it and was absolutely right to try to get away from it. Dany's tutor was her insane brother. It's called genes and genetics. She would have been cray cray no matter what. Jorah and Barristan Selmy had a hard time keeping her in check.
*_Every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin and the world holds its breath_*
Dany fans: Yaaaaas QUEEEEEN SLAY, BIIIIIIIITCH 💅🏼
Dany: actually slays the entire population
Dany fans: shocked Pikachu face
I'm still YAAASSS Queen. Burn them all!!
Because it is so out of character. If she burned her enemies as a punishment that's even ok but killing innocents??
Moon Moon Sinha I finally understand why she did it. She knows she wouldnt be able to rule with only love and etc. because of Jon. So the only way she could, was by fear. So that no one would even dare to try getting Jon, or anyone else on the throne. And also make everyone else in Westeros fear her.
«Alright then, let it be fear»
@@munmunsinha93 thats not out of character at all.
th-cam.com/video/PZwSmZRQ1vU/w-d-xo.html I dont know why you blame her... this, the useless jon snow, all traitors.. sadly, she wasnt strong enough to destroy the evil inside due all things people she trusted did.. its not right, but I dont blame her.. this is what they were looking for. you get what you give. I agree with your final thoughts.. that was the reason :( stupid cersei.. she finally died
We acting like Cersei didn’t have plans to burn down Kings Landing too!
"but muh cerseeeeiiiii"
Exactly.
Ok and😂😂😂 but she didn’t get the chance too, it was Danny😂
Is it just me or the Hound had the best arc of all?At least he completed his mission in the end and died valliantly by winning his brother and his fear of fire by diving into it!!!I think it was the most heroic scene in that episode!I already miss you Santor!!!You had a great character development!!!!💖
Agreed, I'm glad Sandor got a good end. I would of preferred his arv to end differently but I am happy with what I got.
The plot armor is strong with Arya.
Michael Pascua STRONG
Michael Pascua The lord of light is this show’s way of making plot armor logical. But it’s kinda confusing that he would interfere with simple man vs man fights. It made sense that he would stop man kind’s extinction. Maybe denarys is so corrupt that he helped Arya out so she could kill the mad queen.
@@thedarkwolf6967 idk if you joking or serious
Hdjdhdj Hdhdhd both. I’m saying that game of Thrones had plot armor for certain characters and their excuse is that the lord of light wants them to stay alive for a reason.
@@thedarkwolf6967 no game of thrones just had plot armor,and bullshit plot holes.
To that guy that keeps saying "I don't know why Dany did all that'....You were given hints and signs for seasons... FOR SEASONS... you were just not paying attention or chose to look the other way.
I think Danny destroyed KL because she seen her goal but knew she'd never have it.
"If I can't have it, no one will."
well said sir...
Yo that’s true as hell
No
No. Just no. You're explanation is full of plotholes and fan service. Not well said at all.
nah,she burned them because the writers are stupid cunts who don't know how to write shit.
If they don't love me them they must fear me.
Because like Varys, I think Sansa saw what Dany was capable of.
No, Sansa and Varys had two very DIFFERENT reasons. Sansa disliked Dany cuz
A. She didn't want to kneel to any more rulers, wanted the North to be independent
B. She didn't trust an outsider like Dany
Varys started to turn on Dany cuz he saw that Jon was a suitable heir, and would be better for the realm instead of Dany
It's almost as if Sansa had past experience of living with loose cannon psychopaths and could sense that in Dany too.
Yup. She was just using Jon as well. When she saw he wouldn’t be with her. She said, “it’s fear then”. Since she can’t marry him and ensure the north.
@@ariqrashid4034 you're right, they both had different reasons. However, Varys was looking at Dany sideways even before he knew about Jon. He started to see the signs since the feast after the battle of Winterfell. Remember, he had experience serving her father. He knew they're madness first hand.
@@reactions5783 Nope, nice headcanon but that is definitely not the reason for her instantaneous dislike of Dany.
Sansa was right! Thank you very much. She peeped that Mad Queen shit from the jump. My girl has been around too many tyrants not to see it. She said it to Tyrion "You fear her". STOP UNDERESTIMATING HER READ ON PEOPLE. Also, I believe the build-up to Dany becoming the mad queen was AWFUL. I saw the little hints here and there but the writers never fully committed to her true madness in the previous seasons so to me this episode flopped.
brookcty EXACtly !
As bad as their writing has been, D&D flat out stated in one of the vids that Sansa only made things worse with her actions - she pushed Dany even further down the path. I think they're right.
@@rosesongoku6980 Mannn fuck D&D, their excuses for everything is "oh that character forgot" so nah I don't gaf about their little vids. Apparently, Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet five seconds after she was told by Varys where they were located which in turn caused the death of Rhaegal, please.... they really trashed this season. Also blaming Sansa for something that was inevitable is a copout. Murdering innocent people was a choice made by Dany alone & all she did was prove Sansa right.
Okay there have been Little steps throughout the past three seasons that brought her closer and closer to her edge. It was obvious to see that. And these past three episodes push her over that edge. It really wasn't that hard to see it coming
@@brookcty without Sansa actions i can't see what happened to KL happening. it just proved to Danny that she would never be loved and fear was her only weapon
"Dany did this to my daughter, Dany needs to die" SAME. you dont make Arya cry.
TY TRACK boohoo 😂😂😂
SforSwiftie ikr. like stfu
@@vvsparis lol calm down dude it's not that deep 😬
It's not like arya would care about king landing, that was where they executed her dad and everyone went to watch and didn't do anything to save her family...
Arya needs to die, her thicc ass plot armor is one of the biggest problems in season 8. Like seriously I don't understand when she became the main protagonist.
Respect. She did what she said she would do so many times before, burm their cities to the ground by fire and blood. People acting like she was the good guy when it was so obvious ehat her intentions actually were.
100% she's always been like this.
What were her intentions?
You're really basing this off of an empty threat in season 2 when her people were dying lmfao. For every time she said she would "burn cities to the ground" she said she wouldn't be the queen of ashes, or not the blood of the innocents, or not the children. Most people saying she was always mad only say that because they wanted her to be the bad guy because they dislike her character. Like we get it you don't like her but don't make a fool of yourself trying to justify it with your subjective analysis.
She lost 2 children, a man that was dedicated to her more than everyone else, her best friend, her love interest and her claim to the iron throne and all for nothing. She just snapped.
^^^This
Yep, and then became worse than her father and planned to subjugate the world.
This is why women shouldn't rule. So emotional, illogical, and quick to snap or give up.
My analysis as well. Plus genetics.
Insanely Disappointed! Thought the episode was wack as well. There was no motivation to burn innocents.
Daenerys has been the planned villain ever since the very beginning. It's just everything was super rushed.
Exactly! Everything has pointed to this since the beginning. The only thing that I hated is how Cersei died. They simply couldn't finish everything smoothly in 6 episodes. Blame it all on the budget I guess
Ray White not the budget. HBO offered the two dumbass writers more episodes, they denied
VVS Paris did they really?
she was crazy since season 1 episode 1. The look in her eye, she was setting niggas on fire bruh
Not even that it was rushed, they've had 8 seasons to build up to it. The pacing was just absolute shit
she lost her BFF and a dragon john wont return her love so fk everything
"That's my daughter man! Not like Dany, she (Ayra) saves people!" *Cuts to the people that Arya dragged out getting roasted LMAoOO*
Arya was trying to help. She didn't do it intentionally.
@@maariyahramdin3552 Lol, I'm not implying that she wasn't trynna help, was just a funny edit that's all.
@@he_knows4962 and it was funny how hid mouth stayed opened after that.
I’m one of the few people who actually liked the episode. I feel so empty after watching it, I’ve been so lost the whole day, thinking about what I’ll do once the series is done. I admit, I don’t have social life lol. It’s just.. i spent last 6 years of my life expecting new episodes every year and that kinda kept me going( along with Avengers) . I guess I’ll watch it over and over again. Now I’m left with my actual problems and have to deal with them, this sucks:))))
Btw
Okay, I’m such a shallow person, but the thing that made me the saddest in this episode was how Jaime’s character turned out to be. All these seasons he’d shown us such a great character development, and he died with Cersei at the very end, just like that, with her in his arms.. I feel so empty knowing he actually didn’t love Brienne and left her like that. I remember laughing at the fans who believed he left B to go back to Cersei( I thought it was well known he left to kill her). Well, I was a fool i guess 😑 and his last words bug me sooo much “ nothing else matters. Only us” wow, poor brienne... at the end, Jaime is as toxic as Cersei, and they deserve each other. It leaves a bittersweet taste in my mouth, Cersei still had a firm hold of Jaime and his actions until his last breath.
But it was symbolic I guess, them dying in each other’s hands just like how they spent their lives
I read one comment “they were brought from the same womb and ended in the same tomb” and it made me laugh so hard
make some friends, find a boyfriend, and visit China. oh and get a dog; preferably a golden retriever.
This was the only good episode this season
Are you korean?
// jamie killing cersei is far-fetched though. she has his child and as tyrion said "she never fooled you. you always knew exactly what she was, but you loved her anyway" ... and, sad to say, with Brienne, that was not really an act of love. He never even said that he does...
Tom Smith I hope in near future 😄
troy charles i liked every episode tho
They have been foreshadowing Dany turning for years but really ramped it up last season. I can't believe so many people were caught by surprise at her actions
Darth Raider literally
She was executing people by fire without trial, if that wasn't a sign then idk what.
The books have. Not the show. And even in the books, she wouldn't do any of this, even though she's clearly insane. It was honestly too rushed and non-sensical. The plot made zero sense for this season.
@@rai2423 I never read the books. I have literally seen this coming for years. She got more and more ruthless as the seasons go bye but last season confirmed it when she started demanding that you either bend the knee or burn.
@@jasonryals7230 True. But what always defined her character was that she did not like harming the weak and poor, that's always been her thing. She's evil and ruthless to her enemies but kind and caring to the weak. That's why it didn't make sense for her to burn King's Landing, especially when she knew they had surrendered. Her going mad make sense but not this.
We’ve been seen her be crazy though. Most people just ignored it though because she was fighting people who were worse than her.
But when have we seen her kill innocents civilians?? Just because with no reason, no purpose? She's only ever been brutal to her enemies.
I’m not saying she killed innocents before I’m just stating that she’s always had a brutal streak. Even when she killed the old slave masters, she never bothered to discern who was actually guilty of hanging those children. My point was that her streak of insanity has been going on for years but we mainly chose to ignore it because she was going up against people who we would consider evil.
@@brandonself6287 Being brutal and being insane is not the same thing tho... Most rulers in this show have done the same or worse to their enemies were they insane? No! Was Jon insane when he killed Janis for disobeying his orders and insulting him? Was Robert Baratheon insane for letting the Lannister army stack King's Landing and kill and rape the civilians? No.
@@rai2423 difference being that dany has always been disconnected from everyone whose tried to have power. Cause SHE was the only one ALLOWED to have the power. Now she only knows power through fear. Easy to flip and decide to kill everyone when you're so far above everyone else, both physically and mentally.
@@brandonself6287 Brutality isn't insanity, those are not the same.
Daenerys going full "mad" queen wasn't just "madness" and grief and anger. It was also the practical realization that she doesn't have the love of the people, and only fear will make them submit to her rule.
varys is right about dany. Sorry not sorry. He's one of the only characters who truly cares for the commoners.
Dany going presumably mad has been foreshadowed since the beginning. I always liked her character but i never idealized her. I actually always thought, since i read a book, that her story was the slow development of one of the main antagonists of the ending. And many others book readers think the same. The show is not messing her, that is her arc. And well, as I said before, I agree with varys. He's sure gonna die, but he is right
I'm surprised that people don't see the build up of the mad queen. It was always there. However, the problem with the show is, how rushed it felt in the final season and that the bell ringing part was a weak trigger to set her off. A much better final trigger would've been if after the surrender, Cersei ordered to shot a few hidden scorpions from the Red Keep, and one of them injured Drogon.
"jaime a bitch from the beginning and he died a bitch." 👏
"No reason" There is no reason behind madness. No one can understand someone who has gone crazy except the person that has gone crazy.
Betrayal
@@Yared-ou7wy She was crazy before any imagined betrayal.
@@joshuagross3151 when would you say that was?
@@Yared-ou7wy Pre season 1. Surely you know of the Targaryan curse...?
@@joshuagross3151 no explain
Dany was watching Jon Snow and the soldiers standoff, and they surrendered to Jon, not her and her dragon. When the bells rang, it confirmed what she knew in her head already, the people would never love her like they love Jon, and would never truly obey. So she decided it is better to be feared than loved.
She will turn on jon next or try to take out the starks next. She will take out the competition and anyone who knows about jons claim.
What the hell are you talking about??? They surrendered because Dany wreked them. Took out the iron fleet, all the scorpions AND the gold company! Jon had shyt to do with them surrendering. They were overwhelmed and begged for the bells to be rung.
But she didn't see it that way, she saw it as them surrendering to him, and with her already fragile mental state. It pushed her over the edge.
@@alexiaskaggs1855 She didn't even probably see them. She very cleary was intent on burning the city before anyone ever surrendered. Stop trying to make this mess make sense, cus it doesn't.
@@alexiaskaggs1855 nah I'm sorry that's a big stretch.... She knew damn well they surrendered because of her. It's just wack.. They turned Dany into some insecure queen who really wasn't ready to play the game of thrones.
She doesn't believe anyone will love her, so they will fear her. That's an arc right there, folks...
@RT TV if you look back to season 2 the mad queen had a vision of king's landing in ash and ruins,and the throne was covered in snow.
Not snow but ash
@@Showup581 the throne is covered in snow
Sansa was one character who actually lived among kings and other people in power, was forced to stay in relationships with truly evil people and saw first hand how much the realm suffered under tyrants. She's seen the most conniving of the most conniving at work and she's been paying attention. There is no way she didnt pick up on Dany's tyrannical tendencies no matter how sweet and polite she acted toward Sansa. Dany has a huge ego and she's not good at hiding it. I feel like Sansa can almost sense a bad ruler a mile away.
I knew that Dany was going to turn. Could tell when she became so uppity when she saw Jon being loved by his people.
Knew when she told Jon that the only way to be harmonious was to do as he was told.
Hated her then, now justified in my hatred.
Same
"Let it be fear" - Dany
"I will take whats mine. With fire and blood" - Dany
Foreshadowing is not the same thing as actually developing a character arc. You can say her ‘madness’ was foreshadowed as much as you want but the truth of the matter is, it still doesn’t make sense. They never really showed Dany do anything that would make us(me especially) she is actually going mad. You can’t just have a couple of characters worry about it, have her save millions of lives and then just magically make her go mad. There is no progression. There is her being a hero and then in a span of an episode she is mad. Hinting that Daenerys will go mad isn’t the same thing as actually writing her decent to madness, i dont care if you foreshadowed it. It still doesn’t make sense.
You know what else was foreshadowed?
-Dany getting pregnant
-Jon killing the Night King
-the Night King destroying the world
Foreshadowing doesn’t mean shit without adequate narrative development which GOT hasn’t delivered.
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I was never a fan of dany and I saw it coming so go cry some more 🤷🏻♂️ u still gonna watch the last episode.
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Suria salleh I'm sure u will be watching tomorrow... can't wait for ur review. Lmao 😂🤣😂
Daenerys had a heart but there have been seeds, all the way back to S1, when she behaved like a cruel conquerer. Where she SOMETIMES didn't use the allotted time to look for other ways (to make an example of a bad person(s)). Where vengeance & pain was her FIRST weapon of choice. That she either used ... or was talked down from using.
Daenerys’s tactics have been deeply rooted in dominance moreso then free-will. Actions that pivoted around the idea of revenge (after her family was exiled & hunted). At times, she has been vain and completely convinced of her own brilliance.
Agreeing to save the world from the white-walkers was Daenerys indeed at her best. Plus it can be easily argued that you have to be a cruel conqueror to deal with cruel conquerors or villains. Behave like one on the wheel until u can destroy the wheel. She had reason to feel entitled to the throne. Because of the dragons she magically returned to existence etc.
But not always has Daenerys looked remorseful during or immediately after killing someone(s)... or later spoke regret. Meanwhile leaders like Ned, Tyrion, or Jon have to a greater degree.
She lost the people who gave her genuine love &/or balance. She likely snapped while pondering a past filled with multiple betrayal & loss too. I feel bad for Daenerys fans. But her winning the throne is ultimately & tragically not the reward she was destined for. I hope we see loving Daenerys in her final shot ... reminding us to miss her.
Rob and Pat speaking FACTS!
Facts!! Rob really had the right perspective on this one
lol no
The episode was disappointing for me. I feel like Cersei deserved a worse death. Idk, the episode felt unsatisfying.
But I'm with Rob on this one. I BEEN over Dany.
dany best char she cant help it the writers fucked up on her
Cersei just standing there in the Red Keep was the last straw that triggered her. She was one move ahead of Danerys from season 7 so she did what I do when I keep losing a game. She "flipped the whole table over"😂 Fire and blood.
Why play the game when she is the only one with a WMD😂😂. Olenna said it best "Your a Dragon. Be a Dragon."
Dunno why everyone is thinking that Arya is going to kill everyone. Clearly Jon is the only person to kill Dany now.
We thought that of the night king too. But I hope you're right because jon got already robbed of his azor ahai arc
@@GalaktischerHirnsauger He hasn't technically been robbed of it. It could just have a slightly different meaning (in the show at least).
Nope Dany will get one shotted by Arya unfortunately. Another disappointing kill
@@UcHiHa2ImmorTaLs That would be the final nail in the coffin.
Saying Dany was never like this isn't true. In the very beginning she swore she'd burn cities down when her dragons were grown. She may be lovely and put on a pretty face and may have good intentions, but she always had this authoritarian mentality. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all it takes is one bad day.
The wildfire was triggered by the heat of the dragon fire.
the right dude cant shut up for 2 secs
I was hoping that dany wouldn't end up becoming like her father but I was wrong.
Luckily the books won't happen like that. People keep talking about how GRRM told them all about everything, but that's not true. He gave them the existence of certain major "beats," but not what would outright happen. D&D chose to do it this way.
@Iam NoOne Yikes. Imagine being so obsessed with a TV show that you think you can mock others...and yet you end up being so, so wrong. That must be a hard life.
@Iam NoOne The irony.
What part of "If the people of King's Landing don't rise up against Cersei they're my enemy" don't you get?
Kevin Rouse they surrendered tho? And im a big Dany fan
@@YEEH.And she said they'd know who to blame when the sky comes falling down on them, when Cersei doesn't surrender.
@@IchigoKurosaki011 The bells rang, still doesn't make sense.
@@aligaines8476 The bells were Tyrion's idea. A plan she never agreed to, she never told him she'd stand down if the bells were rung.
@@IchigoKurosaki011 Right!
Remember what Harvey Dent said about heroes .
She was always going to be the Mad Queen. From season 1. She's always been a Khal. A conqueror. She's not a benevolent ruler. They've made us love and hate characters throughout the series. The problem is that they went too fast with it in the end. They need probably two more seasons. But, the end result was destined to be the same.
Lol, the non Dany fans saw this coming years ago, the series writers says they started planting seeds for this in season 1
The white horse at the end was Bran wogging it up!! I think we saw that horse fall at the beginning of the battle.
OMG. I never even thought of that. That would make sense.
reeseslightning11 I’m not an avid watcher of the show, can Bran turn into animals or something?
@@memenow2345 yep he can warg animals, he did it before with his wolf summer
*Warging *warg. Wog lmao
@@mdm6920 Y'all are too much
Rob with the FACTS.
I realize people have an emotional attachment to Dany, we've grown and seen her story from the start. But if you really watch through the episodes and put your fan-feelings aside for her--all the ques were there of her going full on Tyrant. Her friends and advisors did a good job keeping her in check, but now that they are all dead or not trusted (Tyrion) the floodgates are open.
She has no love for the Westeros people, since she came from across the narrow sea--they see her as an outsider, and make demands of her. In her mind she is The Savior, she about had all of Essos bend the knee to her. So why should she care about burning cities in a land who doesn't love or want to follow her (her mindset). I do agree though that the season was rushed, we really need atleast a few more episodes in between.
i think arya's gonna kill grey worm use his face to kill dany in front of jon who's gonna give the throne to sansa and his gonna stay in winterfell and bran is gonna go rebuild the wall and stay at castle black
Why would he rebuild the wall? The white walkers are dead.
People acting like the entire series hasn't been building to Dany losing it must not have been watching the show I've been watching because I can completely understand her perspective and how boxed in, paranoid and abandoned/betrayed by everyone around her she feels? Vary's, Tyrion and Jon betrayed her on top of Missandei's death. But Jon had a chance to bring her back from the edge, but he rejected her love and at that point she had nothing left but pain, grief and lonliness. Also props to Emilia. She legitimately looked unhinged and emotionally wrecked when the bells were ringing.
Cersei: “I don’t want to die”
“Why you bein a dumb bitch” LMAOOO
I feel that the Mad Queen was foreshadowed all the way back to Season 2 when she wanted to take revenge, lay waste to armies, and burn cities to the ground. I think that is her natural self. This is her character! Now I also believe that she had people around her that kept her at bay (Jorah, Missandei, Tyrion, and Jon) from living out these impulses. But now she has lost all of them to either death or lack of trust. I love Dany but I saw this coming long ago. But I do wish that Cersei had a better death then what she got in this episode!
I dont understand why ppl are shocked at Danny's behavior. She showed little signs of this since Astapore. She's suffered loss, gone through traumatic events, gone paranoid with the ppl she surrounded herself with. Losing that battle and the death of her bestfriend along with feeling betrayed and denied by Jon was the icing on the cake. She went mad
The whole time her obsession was "my throne, my right, my destiny" mine mine mine mine.
She’s been crazy since season 1. I been telling people. Knew this would happen since back then. People just forgot.
Nobody forgot it's one of the main plot-threads of the whole story. It was just handled extremely poorly
Every time a Targaryen is born a coin is flipped. She is crazy
She’s been the mad queen since drago killed her brother she had no emotion when he did and she been getting progressively madder throughout the whole show.
"She had no emotion"? Thats bs and u know it. Bruh she chained her dragon after it burned an innocent child. Along with other good deeds. I dont ve a problem with her becoming mad, i'm just pissed at the way they went abt it..no doubt she's been ruthless to her enemies. However it felt like becoming the mad king came out of no where
@@koobeng Actually, she only chained the *little* dragons. She didn't dare try to control Drogon, the one she's currently destroying the city with.
@@joshuagross3151 She chained Rhaegal and Viserion because they were the only ones about, Drogon had fucked off to God knows where for weeks.
Are you talking about Drogo?
Because Drogon definitely did not kill her brother lol
When the guy with the loc’s got scared when big dude threw the cup!!! LMAO!!!
She had to burn the whole city to the ground. No matter what she did, The people would never accept her and always see her as an "outsider". So its better to wipe out the bad and start a new empire. Also you shouldn't overlook Cercei's decision to put her own people as bait which is far worse than what Danny did. As the saying goes "Nothing is fair in love and war". I felt bad in the beginning but understood the logic behind her decision. Of course some effects etc. could have been improved on but the idea overall is perfect!
these guys when cersei killed missandei: burn them all
also these guys when daenerys burns them all: what are you doing dany
Best episode. Amazing
Dude in the Sun's jersey is dialed-in and on edge - love it!
Lady Olenna said she was a dragon. She became one.
Dany: I will burn cities to the ground! They can live in my new world, or die in their old one.
Reactors: What is she doing?
On the next episode of Sansa Was Right....
Also, that wildfire wasn't Cersei's. It was the remains of the wildfire that the Mad King stored all over the city and intended to set off before Jaime killed him.
It's showing how Dany is just like her dad, burning King's Landing down. The Wildfire is exploding all over the way he would have wanted, but the crazy thing is, she's causing far more destruction than it looked like he ever would have.
I mean guys it’s Game of Thrones, in the words of Ramsay Bolton “if you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”
Cersei and Dany are like mirrors of each other...
1. Both had 3 “children”...they both lost their children (except Drogo)
2. Both feel betrayed and abandoned by their lover
3. Both are willing to destroy the masses.
Cersei with the Sept and Dany with KL...and Dany has threatened to destroy multiple cities but didn’t with the advice of her advisors.
I think the the writers did some of the characters a major disservice (Dany, Jamie and even Cersei). They completely assassinated their characters arcs. But with more time I think it would have been better. I’m really disappointed and don’t expect to be satisfied with the series finale.
lmao he tought it was jon snow the kid with the burned toy