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It’s not character assasination, the journey is her rise and fall as a person, at the end of season 6 she had everything and everyone. And by this point she’s lost everything her character arc. Is not shear craziness it’s the pure hurt that made her make a decision in an instant based off her emotions. It’s in her character she’s always been emotional
She’s always been one to rush to things based off emotion and up until this point characters like Tyrion and baristas Selmy and Jorah have been able to keep her in check. But she has lost too much
I kinda disagree with Melanie. I think Dany going mad is totally happening in the books, the difference is that it’s gonna have deeper and stronger build up to it.
Yes but it still is an issue... I feel as if the writers know where they want their characters to end up but have no idea how to get them there. They should’ve taken the 10 episode deal
I kinda expect Dany to die and Jon to become mad... He phases out at times and goes berserk on others. He reminds me of Viserys when he kept telling Dany 'don't wake the dragon'. That could also explain why he would go back to the Wall to resume his position there once he snaps out of it. So far the Others were always pushed back but never destroyed, I expect this round to go the same. I might be wrong of course lol. I just want tWoW in my hands so we can get hints where this is going. George will do a build up not like D&D.
I like the story beats, just not how we got to them. It's all too rushed. It's like Dany's madness was built up to 25% during the entire show, then suddenly jumped to 50% in one episode and 100% in the next.
Exactly. If you would write down all the story beats as a tick list (which is probably what they got from George) I would expect a great finale for the show. But they had to build it up much better with at least 2 more FULL seasons or something like that.
I love Dany, and I dont dislike the idea of her going mad, but i expect that if it happens in the books, it will make much more sense and feel more natural
I dunno she’s always done things her own way and had no problems burning whoever was in her way. Her advisors were usually the ones to chill her out so I think it’s pretty reasonable and understandable to see her end up here now that all the shit is going down
They've been setting it up since s1 the only thing stopping her from doing this years ago were her advisor all of whom are now dead or have in her mind betrayed her it's not unnatural or out of character
I think it has to do with the lack of progression in her becoming mad. What we got was a switch in her head to go 180 on her character. I think the show would have benefited from an extra episode in between 4 and 5 that slowly shows her descend into madness.
Yes. That should be the mindset of dany fans. Its just because that the season was kinda rushed that it felt unnatural. Dany going mad is pretty obvious given the history of their family and her past actions. Idg why some dany fans just go "why?" "They killed the character".
Don’t forget the iron fleet... supposedly one ship can snipe rheagal a mile away 3 times back tk back but next week drogon can take out the whole fleet and golden company solo 😂😂😂😂
@@viggy1890 well they did all the Iron Born a disservice. Every time euron greyjoy opened his mouth he pissed me off. This season just proved the difference in class between the show writers and G.R.R.M
“I want to feel the characters, I don’t want to feel the writing.” I agree with Calvin so much on this. I feel like more and more I am super conscious of why lines were written a certain way to make me feel a certain emotion. At other times it feels like they wrote the dialogue for the sole purpose of getting to the plot points they know needed to happen. In the earlier seasons, the actions and dialogue stemmed organically from what seemed like strong underlying characterization. Now it feels like the writing is just a tool to tell you as quickly as possible what the characterization/plot will be. Though the writing still shines through in some scenes of course, it wasn’t all bad.
Pookz It's started when they ran out of book as the source material. Martin has the time and space to devote the story. He doesn't have to worry about actors aging. The fact is the TV writers had the plot points, but not the talent to execute it.
Totally agree. Like the Tyrion/Jamie-scene. I became partially emotional, I mean how could you not? This is a huge moment for two characters we've followed for years. However, how ridiculous was Jamie's turnaround in that scene? In earlier seasons, we would have speculated he was acting too naive in front of Tyrion just to get out of the chains, but now itwas just him being too naive. We were many who speculated on Jamie lying to Brianne to kill Cersei, but he just changed his mind. Poor.
dauntlessroos Seasons 5 and 6, at least, had on of the greatest episodes and moments, you know. Writers at least tried harder, but now it’s a total waste.
Yes this. For example grey worm & missandei talking about after, I knew then she would die & it was obviously to explain his behaviour. Then the hound and Sansa's awful scene, written just so she can tell him she killed Ramsey by hounds. But then Tyrion & Jaime's farewell was so emotional.
Exactly that, I feel this season, especially that most characters feel like a mouthpiece for the writers to add plot points too. As Eric said Sansa is right because the writers allocated her that character not because it was what that character would actually do.
Lena Headey was given one scene in the whole season to actually do something and she crushed it. She is one of the most heinous villains of all time and despite that her pain and despair and fear as she pleads with Jaime to live gets me every single time. Mad props to Lena and all the actors really, shame they were tasked with trying to make garbage into art.
I have to agree. The one scene she really had actually choked me up a bit despite hating her Cersei. Just seeing someone so scared knowing they’re gonna die and begging for a way out is sad regardless
I feel like thats why the put in the words 'I don't want my baby to die' before 'don't let me die'. We feel for her as a mother and feel terrible for her, even though we see her for 8 seasons being a bitch and not caring about anyone but herself and her children (even though that love is also power to her), and wanting power. I never liked it because it diminishes a tyrants death, pretty much robbing me of the relief that her story is finally finished, she got what she deserved. Obviously I agree that Lena Headey's acting of it was ace, it's the writing itself that bothers me
@@ruchirbakshi5393 Fire and Blood is her house words. It's like if you extrapolated the Starks were going to kill everyone because they say "winter is coming" a lot. Dany has, at more times, said she was going to rule justly, protect the innocents and liberate the people from tyranny. Random character dialogue doesn't equal character development or plot points. That's like if they made Arya, in anger at the Lannisters for what they did to her family, go to the Westerlands and poison the water supply committing genocide against innocent people. I could say "well she has said how she's going to avenge her family" and point to all the times she's been cold, detached, unfeeling and ruthless (there's plenty) to make sense of it. It's still not a logical conclusion of her character as it's been set up thus far.
For BLIND WAVE to say they dislike things that are happening in the show with the characters is saying a lot. They usually are mostly on the positive side with their reactions. The GoT writers are definitely messing some things up.
Yeah, I absolutely love Eric, and it really takes A LOT for his opinion to sour on something - especially something he’s a fan of. They done fucked it up
@Schwanzus Longus Concentration on positive things doesn't mean ignore or refuse to see the bad things. Unfortunately thats what Blind Wave do when it comes to Disney Star Wars
The ones complaining are the ones that read the books, I had no idea about the holes before all that people crying told me. It was just a normal season. I enjoy watching it, and that's it, if you don't like the writing, shut up and fucking watch the direction.
I don't actually have a problem with the fact that Daenerys turned into the Mad Queen. My only problem is with the execution. I think if GRRM does this in the books it could work very well. I also don't mind Jaime dying with Cersei. It just could have been done better.
maybe because he writes books and can make it into 400 pages if he pleases? of course it will happen, and of course he will do this thing. (?) not sure about stating the obvious
@@disco.lemonade season 8 is trash. People are in denial. I dont think its "the obvious". Why are you even so triggered by him stating the obvious? Are you in denial?
@@SETHthegodofchaos good luck is not the best, but is not trash. you just a nit picking hater. i actually feel sorry for people like you, bragging to have high standards but not brain enough to see the season for what it is. good luck
@@disco.lemonade "you just a nit picking hater" Of course :D "to see the season for what it is" hmmm the irony Its not like I or others cant enjoy the show. Its just that it definitely could have been executed far better and more satisfying with less cheap Hollywood tricks and more time to develop story and characters. I dont think there is anything wrong with asking for higher standards and calling out low standards. Or did I miss something? I guess its not "in" since "hating" on stuff aint cool. Everybody is a snowflake nowadays and calling anything out for not being enjoyable is ungrateful and thus tabu. Reduces the happyness in the world. We should all be in harmony and just enjoy. Turn your brains off and consume the shit for some bland entertainment. I got it. See it like this: If we call out bad stuff, the chances that the bad stuff is viewed as the prime example, then repeated and copied, is reduced. Thus more higher quality stuff might be created. Espacially when you can bring up alternate ideas which would work better to show how it could be done better. Can you agree on that?
Jaime S3: "Tell me, if your precious Renly commanded you to kill your father and stand by while thousands of men, women and child burned alive, would you have done it? Would you have kept your oath?" Jaime S8E5: "To be honest, I never really cared much for them. Innocent or otherwise." Oooof. Out of all the character assassinations this season, that one may hurt the most.
@@BhBc8f8 he was willing to just sit there and let Dany burn kings landing to the ground instead of even trying to end the war without all of that bloodshed. The old Jaime didn't need a fucking pep talk to know what to do. He never neede to be talked into doing dishonourable or down right despicable acts to save the innocent or Cersei before. He nearly killed himself to save Briene in season 3 and they didn't even like each other at that point. Even if that comment wasn't really true his actions, or lack there of, were out of character.
@@jmgollde843 that wasn't the choice. I could see him choosing the Cersei over the masses but by not acting he was choosing to let Dany kill the masses and Cersei.
@@snrbroz6214Eventhough that might be true it does not take from the legend - Euron killed a dragon, was a king and fucked the queen. And his last action was killing a former formidable opponent. So dying with a smile was well deserved.
I agree with Eric's initial reaction. I had the same feeling. Really am not enjoying this season very much from a story standpoint. The production quality is making it all bearable, but man I dont like the story.
I would have liked for him to see the fire beforehand and have a moment where he overcomes his fear, and then takes the mountain down into it. Would have been a bit more impactful. But it was pretty cool, anyway...
@Pro Jey96 She died knowing her baby would never live. I'm pretty sure she was mentally destroyed. There's no worse pain than knowing your own child is going to die and there's nothing you can do about it.
One thing to consider with Dany is that, in Essos, the "innocent" always loved her. She showed up, they viewed her as a savior, and she treated them well because they were on board with having her as queen. It has almost always been the case that anyone that didn't go along with her goals was disposed of. Once she got to Westeros, her disdain for the common people became more and more apparent, until she finally treats everyone against her the way she has always handled those against her.
See I genuinely don't think book Dany will go mad. She's got a lot more of a tactful and calm mind if at timea still naive (for a girl her age). I just think she'll be dead against the Others before she ever makes it to KL
@@woodsie8965 @ True, but i belive it was said, that they knew about the major plot points for the main cast. Also some things like Kings Landing being burned can be connected to hints found in the books as well (e.g. Danys Vision in the House of the undying and seeing the Iron Throne covered in ash)
GRRM definitely ment for Daenerys to be a complex character, not the good hero but also not the "black and white" villain. She's supposed to be something else, something difficult to understand, something to make us conflicted about right and wrong. She was always ruthless with her enemies which made us question her decisions, but going on a killing spree of inocent civilians ignoring her main enemy which was Cersei, is just not fitting on the character. She didn't even go after Cersei... The main source of her anger and thirst for revenge. The one that killed Missandei. She just started killing people randomly for no reason. Complex human characters is GRRM's "thing". D&D decided the easy way out, cause they wanted to get this over with. The result is a poorly executed twist. Such a shame.
"Don't be me, Girl" "I poisoned every male heir of House Frey" "Huh?" "I literally butchered Black Walder and Lame Lothar, baked them into a pie, and served it to Walder Frey before killing him" "What? Pie?" "Get on my level, Clegane"
@Schwanzus Longus yeah, I think he meant more like living for revenge and choosing it over your own life. She said she wasn't going to come back, like she was going to die and he just wanted her to live
"Look, you have to learn a Very Important Lesson about revenge being bad, go and nearly get killed by Dany a lot so you can see that exploding a city with a giant stupid lizard is revenge and therefore bad."
37:00 He's referring to Jaime's conversation with Edmure. Season six. When he would kill every man, woman, and child at Riverrun to get back to Cersei.
Gumbythehorse2 right Jaime didn’t say all of that to Edmure because he really was intending on doing all that carnage to Edmure and the people of Riverrun. He even says in the book, “ are you really going to make me say all of this?” Or something like that. He promised to take the castle without bloodshed and he did that but he had to play the role of his dickish former self that people hated and feared. He was trying to be like Tywin and Tyrion. The strategy of Tywin with the underlying compassion of Tyrion. He said what he had to say to take the castle without bloodshed. He was not going to catapult a baby. He did not do it to get back to Cersei. These moronic writers have no clue who Jaime is now or just don’t care
You guys confused what Shane was talking about at 37:00. Jamie said he would kill every man, woman and child to get back to Cersei when he had the Blackfish holed up. Edmund was tied up to the pole. The part you guys were thinking of was when Jamie was tied up by Catelyn and stuck with his cousin. I got your back Shane! You ain't wrong man.
@@San4311 They were offered to do 10 episodes for this season atleast yet they refused ( they have their eyes on Star Wars so they can reap bigger checks)
Best part was Cersei excusing herself down the stairs. “Excuse me fine sir, pardon me.” Lol obviously she said nothing but it felt like that’s what was said!
the writers had 6 episodes only to wrap this big epic story that's been going on for 7yrs up.... Maybe they sled up the pacing faster then people are used to bbcuz we usually get 10 episodes a season but that's not been afforded this season. And the writers were pretty much told the ending by grrm so u can expect in the books this will be the similar ending that Danny will eventually go mad and take Kingslanding by force. The writers and grrm have been setting this up for the 7yrs.. She watched her brother die and didn't care, she killed the 10 khals to take the dothraki army, she killed the yunkai masters even the ones who didn't keep slaves... She killed the tarlys just bcuz they wouldn't bend the knee, all u have to ask urself is would Jon of done any of that? Hell No. Danny has always been setup to be the mad queen. Her baby died (2nd dragon died,) her best friend missendei dies and last but not least her lover doesn't live her bcuz he knows now he's the true heir and that he's related to her so isn't Interested sexually to her. All this made her go mad
@@MoejiiOsmanTV They didnt "had only 6 episodes to wrap everything up". HBO would have given them all the money to make two more full seasons. But D&D didnt want more years of Game of Thrones, they got some jobs at Disney for Star Wars in sight. GoT Season 8 seems to be their job interview. Fits right in there. Disney will be happy. And just because they were told the ending doesnt mean they have to do it 1:1 like they have been told. Even if it is the case, the execution in the show was still horrible and I expect a million times more from the book to make more sense. Nobody has a problem that Dany went mad. People expected that. Its the _HOW_ that pisses people off. And just because she didnt care about her tyrannical brother dying doesnt mean she suddenly is fine with genocide of a million innocents. Stop making sense of this shit... it required more time to develop. Instead they rushed the last few seasons and hoped that Hollywood Cinema would do the trick to sell it. PS: Not sure why you even commented on this thread, because it was completely unrelated...
@@slimshazy2819Jon being Aegon Targaryen meaning absolutely nothing. Bran becoming the king despite him saying he can never be lord of anything and Tyrion who is a prisoner making that decision. Daenerys burning the innocents of King’s Landing which is extremely out of character. Jamie’s famous terrible line “To be honest I’ve never really cared much for the innocent”. The list goes on. This season is full of bad writing.
Jorah was friendzoned for all eight seasons and died fighting for his love. Dany was friendzoned for two episodes and razed a whole kingdom. Edit: Call me Qyburn cuz I've created a monster. It was a joke, not a gender-based remark. Chill out internet :|
This is going to sound misogynistic, but women like to pretend the friend zone doesnt exist and then flip the fuck out when it happens to them. Had it happen to me with one person. She friendzoned me for years and then when she showed interest, I wasn't into it anymore and she got pissed and said I was friendzoning her.
@@loonar7960 oh yeah, it happened to you with one woman that means all women are the same lol. women KNOW they can be friendzoned, it happens all the time.
Completely agree with all of Erics assessments. Characters are not behaving how we could reasonably believe them to behave. And sadly it all feels forced to drive a plot. Rather then the characters acting in a way that tells their own story believably. It just feels disappointing to see and made me disconnect with an episode that was visually spectacular and should have been amazing to see. It's just a shame.
@@acdragonrider It's not just Dany going mad, which was at least slightly foreshadowed even though it wasn't satisfying because it didn't have a build up, (talk to any writer/horror director and they will tell you that the payoff isn't what people enjoy, it's the anticipation of what's going to happen and sometimes the anxiety that comes with it) it's just how all the characters have acted in the last 2 seasons that is almost entirely different than their personalities that were built over several seasons/books, and because it feels so unnatural (imagine in Harry Potter if at the last second, Harry beats Voldemort to his knees and goes "You know what, you may have done evil things, but I'm just going to let you walk away as long as you promise not to be evil anymore.") it feels like they 're not trying, they just want characters into certain spots/positions to be given a choice to make the plot move forward. It's just bad writing from people who probably didn't watch the show or read the books and just thought "You know what would be cool?? The dragon burning up all of King's Landing! Who cares if it makes any sense for it to happen, just do it!"
@@acdragonrider when you can go back and find the occasional fleeting moment but there's a reason why a fan base that thought the red wedding was brilliant recognizes that the bells is one of the most disappointing episodes in the history of television.
I liked how she was literally brought low. Throughout the series, she's been so consumed with arrogance, thinking she was so much smarter than everyone around her. In the course of this episode, we see her move from being above everyone to being below, and her death wasn't beheld by anyone who wanted her dead. In the context of events, her death was insignificant, which I feel is indeed the proper death.
Unfortunate that the entire fight was utterly meaningless. Well, I guess it was meaningful in the sense that if The Hound hadn't fought the Mountain, the Mountain would still be dead and the Hound would be alive.
Something I seen on twitter perfectly sums up Jaime: Jaime pushing Bran out the window in season one foreshadowed season eight where D&D also did the same to Jaimes character development.
Another reason why I love this channel so much is they rationalize their disappointment(or at least try to) rather than just yelling about it like so many others. These guys and screen junkies(or fandom ent. now)are the only GoT panels that I watch.
Really true. The show emphasized multiple times the fact that she is/feels alone... she is suspicious of everyone and now that Jon became a threatening element in her life and that she lost her support and Missandei and the second dragon ...she's all crazy vengeance, doesn't think about what will come after that since she lost the reason she was fighting for
I completely agree with Eric. It’s not what happened that bothered me completely, it’s just how it was executed. They just shat on a lot of the characters. With the leaks being true, this season may be one of the worst endings to any show ever. Great reaction as always though!
I mean, it's not the ending in itself that is bad, it's how we got there. I expect the ending in the books to be very similar but more elaborate. I personally liked this episode way better than ep4, and what really rubs me wrong is how rushed season 7 and season 8 had been. People teleport from A to B and developments happen in what feels like overnight, because of the time that passes between scenes.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like if they would have saved the Missandei death scene for this episode before the battle it would have made me understand why she had the sudden decision to go all in. It could have been she was thinking back to rule by force over love (since she didn't have that and everything else up to this point), but I feel like it would have painted a better picture and the whole Tyrion attempt with Cersei felt so repetitive imo.
@xXThe Alpha MakerXx I'm not defending anyone, just stating my opinion and who the fuck are you to tell me I'm wrong. Stop picking a side and see the positives and negatives on both before the salt consumes you.
@@Skinenz But doesn't that kinda go against "madness?" If someone is nutso then it's not really something that has to be understood or accepted by other people.
I feel the same. Making Dany the final antagonist is pretty cool turn. But they squeezed into such little time in comparison to the rest of her development thru the most of the series.
things got writers forgot: a cup of coffee jaime having a golden hand gendry’s bastard surname valonquar yara greyjoy jaime’s entire character how did ghost get there? also jon would’ve 100% cuddled him most of the dothraki and their HORSES died in the battle with the walkers but suddenly they’re all here dany wanted to be a just but kind ruler who cared about people and did everything to avoid being like her father cersei would do anything to protect her child everything grrm wrote everything they wrote ???????????
A lot of people were happy to see Qyburn bite the dust. Honestly i can't remember him ever doing anything wrong to a protagonist. He was just on the wrong team.
wrong team? it's not like he was a part of the army. he did sick twisted things on that team. that was his choice. he made little children kill someone. he couldn've went to another team easily, he had a choice in the last episode. he just does not care.
It is based off medieval times, executing an entire city was customary. We watched it like she didn't just go through loss, and wanted to make everyone fear her.
@@acdragonrider Killing slavers who crucified 163 children innocent slave children as justice, is not the same as killing 250,000 with fire after they've surrendered. I don't think her actual turn is until S7/S8. I'm for the ending, and the way I've justified it, is that the show only shows that she's 'capable' of it, and ruthless/power hungry, but she isn't strictly cruel until that very moment.
they had been building her character for this since season 1. Did you even watch the show? Danny was getting power hungry, and ruthless by every season. this is the person she’s always been, everywhere she goes innocent people die, people just for some reason finally notice when she does it in Westeros. Also, in the show one of the main reasons the Mad King was seen as such was that he burned alive a father and son who were his prisoners, two people who acknowledged him as their king. Weren’t Sams father and brother also prisoners who were burned alive? But by a foreign invader and not by their lawful sovereign? The signs were everywhere, Danys goal since season 2 was to murder people with dragons. She even tells her dragon that she is gonna burn her enemies and burn their citites to the ground in season 2
@@whiteknight8734 Don't pretend you're not using hindsight bias to connect those dots. If we could predict season 8 bells from S1-S4, everyone would have made that prediction and no one did even after the hints in S7 and S8 episodes before it. They wouldn't have thrown 880 lines of shit at her if she basically would have flew in S6 to burned king's landing to a crisp before losing what she did and becoming broken.
It just goes to show how pure Eric and his relationship with GoT is, he seems to be the main one to always point out how robbed he felt by the characters despite the directing of the episode being visually and musically incredible. Not saying the rest of the crew don’t like they show as much but they hardly criticize certain aspects that have every right to be criticized.
I can totally buy Dany going insane given what's happened. If you notice, every time a loved one/close friend has died/betrayed her, she gets a little more like her dad. When Drogo dies, she tries to commit suicide, when Doreah and Xaro Xoan Daxos betray her, she locks them in a vault to starve, when Jorah betrays her, she completely ignores the fact he hasn't spied on her for years, and exiles him on the spot, threatens him with death if he ever returns. Barristan dies and she kills Mossador for a major, but completely understandable, response. Then look at what's happened in this season, in the span of what is probably two weeks, Jorah dies, Tyrion screws up so many times she can't help but believe he's betraying her, Jon does the one thing she specifically asked him not to do, the only thing she's begged of him since swearing his loyalty, and Missandei, her closest friend is beheaded in front of her, with her last words basically asking Dany to burn Kings Landing. Of course, she's going to go mad.
SHANE WAS RIGHT!!!!! he referenced jamie talking to edmure tully in season six saying he "would kill every man, woman and child in riverun to get back to cersei"
i disagree with Melanie . This is something that i am sure will happen in the books. This feels like a George thing . But the books will do it a whole lot better . There will be justification. And since its a pov character we will actually know what she is thinking . We dont have to assume
He literally could do the process to madness in one book and it will still feel "earned" since there were hints before and also you can wirtte a lot in a book... however that's not an excuse for the shitty "just because she has to go mad at the last second" script we got
The books will always do something like this better than a series limited by episode duration. George has hundreds of pages, thousands of words to describe it. The showmakers only got 6 episodes and no ninth season..
I heard GRRM told D&D the basic parts of what is going to happen in the end (Dany going mad, who's going to end up on the throne) but D&D got to bring it around how they wanted. GRRM will most likely do it better
Cleganebowl gave me some Dark Souls vibes with the setting it had; burning city below, dust and smoke in the air, boss(Gregor) takes absurd amounts of damage to down, and of course crumbling city!
HOLY SHIT HOW'D I NEVER REALIZE THIS! I was wondering that the setting felt super similar to something but didn't know what. But dark souls is definitely what I was feeling
A simple way to make this episode good. Step 1. Don't kill Rhaegal for no reason other then shock value. Step 2.Have an actual battle for King's Landing. Step 3.Just as the battle is about to end, and they ring the bells Rhaegal catches a jav to the throat and dies. Step 4.Dany flips a coin. Oh look at the time, its crazy o'clock... DRACARYS! Step 5.Same result... Just better. But i guess its too much to ask for from the guys that brought us X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
I heard another person saying that at the moment of surrender, she should have just gone to the Red Keep to kill Cersei and then the armies see her continuing to fight so they start fighting again and she just starts burning the soldiers and allow some civilian casualties along the way.
I'm sure they thought of that option but they want her to be really really mad. No nuance, so that the viewers accept she must be killed. Damn character development, they just dropped the madness and they thought viewers will simply eat up the surprise!!! Maybe it worked in past seasons, but not in the last episodes of the show ... they're idiots
Well said Eric 👏🏽 and I agree too with Calvin in regards to Dany. Her story arc is so rushed and doesn’t make sense for the character they built her up to be. There’s a lot of little points missing before we ge to her stages.
An important element to remember is how many times Dany has wanted to crush/execute/burn those who betray her and stopped by either Barristan, Jorah, or Missandei. Without their calming influence her destructive/self-destructive tendencies take hold. Also, with her attacking after the bell toll, remember all the times she has accepted a surrender instead of finishing them off only to have those foes come back (Astapor, the Wise Masters, Sons of the Harpy, Cersei before the Knight King) and attack her again. If you notice, Cersei never really got afraid until Dany started burning after the surrender. Someone was finally willing to out ruthless Cersei. Cersei has repeatedly beaten people who have her down and failed to finish her off.
Yeah ''foes'', ''those who betrayed her''. She freed slaves, lock her on son's because drogon burned one single child, crucified a buch of slavers, executed the Tarlyns like any other king would do. If they want to go Mad Quen, they should had her talking to grass by season 5 as intended in the books.
"rush"? you know GRRM told them how it would end? this is his story.. and it all makes sense, its not rushed, they told us this would happen in like season 3 I think, in the vision dany had.. It was always going to end like this.. if you personally don't like it, that's ok, but its not bad writing, it's a masterpiece.. Main thing is, no one could or can guess what happens, yet when it happens it all makes sense that it happened. And people complaining about night king dying so fast? fast in the season maybe, but of like 70 episodes he died at the end, and he got almost a movie length battle just about him.. it's just a trend now to shit on the biggest show ever. People who hasn't seen it before are almost pressured to watch it now because it's so big and everyone is talking about it and they're the one's complaining the most.. Some of videos on youtube shitting on GoT is just comical, and they don't even know the characters names, they have no idea what they're talking about.. Like "what happened to the night king and I thought it was going to be a story about we have to put our differences aside and fight together etc.." yeah, that's what the show has been about, and it's over now.. it's ending, realize it..
Disappointing is the least that we can say about this episode. Bran being king is ridiculous!!!! They just picked the only character that no one would guess of being the king....that's the only possible explanation...
@@mayaraxxx8577 plus jon going back to castle black? Why the hell would he go back there when there is nothing to guard it from. Wildlings and the dead is not a threat. Wtf
well dani lost her sundae so she needed to kill everyone in KL, she just kinda forgot she doesnt kill the innocent, just like how most characters just kinda forgot their key motivations, or major injuries (cough Jamie)
Most of the issues have NOTHING to do with the choices the show is doing in any particular episode its just the whole season is being shoehorned in....these choices are fine but you can't do this in 6 episodes and have it feel genuine. This season is essentially a summary of everything that should have spanned 2 seasons.
You guys' reaction videos are always great, and I appreciate the attempts to be fair. Pointing out how visually amazing the episode was before diving into the many flaws with the story was class towards the entire cast and crew of the show. That being said... yeah Daenerys' turn felt rushed to the point of laziness. Like "She's crazy. Can't rationalize crazy, that's why it's crazy. So yeah, the Dany you knew is just absolutely gone now."
Yes Melanie, something like this will happen in the books. GRRM has said flat out that the ending will be similar with the path to get there being different. So count on the Anakin Skywalker tragic villain arc Daenerys is on in the books to continue.
Shane is right - with regards saying Jamie would kill every man, woman and child to get back to Cersei, Shane is referring to Edmure Tully and the siege of Riverrun. A considerable time after his bath moment with Brienne. Personally I hate what they did with Jaime; I really feel the impact Brienne had on him overcame his negative views and actions. However, Jaime has always loved Cersei and has grown up with the statement “The Lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheep.” His conversation in the bath with Brienne did offer an explanation of his actions against King Aerys but I seriously think family came first. He said “If your precious Renly commanded you to bring him your father’s head and kill millions of innocent people, would you keep your oath...” - his father came first in that question. Had Jaime been in King’s Landing when Cersei wanted to and then used wildfire he would have supported it because Tommen would have been safe and Cersei would have escaped the trial. He accepted it when he returned to Riverrun. He has always forgiven Cersei for her actions - he is a victim of an abusive relationship. Although, I thought sending Bronn to kill him would eventually have made him see reason. That is why it is sad and unsatisfying for me - I thought he had broken free from her and could have had some happiness. I know it is GoT but at the end of episode 4 it made absolutely no sense for him to leave Winterfell. He must have known Cersei was going to die so even given his love for her, there was no point in his death.
I don’t think Dany is supposed to just turn “crazy” based on GRRM’s comments, but unfortunately D&D seemed to endorse that route with the whole “flip a coin” explanation. They should’ve taken more time to show that transition with her character. Most of the pieces are there in the show - she lost all of her friends and loved ones - Jorah, Missandei, two of her dragons. She’s lost the love and trust of Jon. Her advisors have betrayed her and lost faith in her. The people of Westeros don’t see her as a leader and don’t trust her. She’s always tended towards violence and is cold upon executing those who oppose her. Most of her “good deeds” have been taken with the primary intention of gaining more power. All of this along with her hatred of Cersei and seeing her family’s home that was taken from her bringing back those painful stories she’s been told all her life, echoing in her head as she hears the bells ringing. All of this culminates in her deciding to instill fear and to rule by that instead of continuing to try to be seen as the compassionate leader her advisors have tried to make her in to. She finally gives in to her worst impulses that have been tamed for so long. Daenerys is so blinded by her fear of losing her power as it’s the only thing she has left, and she believes that she simply cannot convince the people of Westeros to take her side and chooses to rule by force instead. I think it makes sense from a big picture perspective but there just needed to be more time and input into Daenerys’ thoughts throughout all of this for it to work for the audience, even with Emilia’s great performances. While the actors and actresses have been amazing and the show has looked incredible this season, I wish D&D had given us 10 episodes to give better justice to these characters - not just Daenerys, but also the Night King, Jamie, etc.. I have still enjoyed this season a great deal and I think people have been too harsh ripping it apart at times, but I do anxiously look forward to reading the rest of the series from GRRM as I have faith that he will do these characters justice and their actions will make better sense given more details.
Yes, this comment is everything. A scene everyone looks at when Dany was being good is the season finale when the slaves lifted her up. To me that scene freaked me out, because when someone gets comfortable with a high pedestal, they are bound to fall.
I feel like Dany is going to struggle against that. But In the books she has Quaithe. she has double the advisors than in the show. She likely will go to Ashai beneath the shadow before going to westeros and learn more about dragons and magic.
Blind Wave always keeps it real. I can always come here for real honest reactions. Other TH-cam react channel thrive on negative reviews( Basically the "Eurons" of TH-cam. Blind Wave is my compass for honest reviews.
Blind wave is far from honest when it comes to reviews. Honest reviews usually involves critique. They are way too uncritical of anything. They pretend everything they watch is great. I just watch their reviews for fun not to get honest reviews.
I don’t think you guys really hit on the fact that Jon realized in that moment, as soon as she started raining fire & vengeance & they killed unarmed soldiers that he had let down his family & fallen in love with a woman who is crazy & I think he knew in that moment what would have to happen in the future with her death 😢💔
I get why she did it. But it would have made a lot more sense for them to show the civilians cheering or celebrating Misandei's death. That would've probably been better motivation for her to burn them. They could've just even echoed Misandei's last word, "Dracarys" in Dany's ears over and over again, causing her to go insane.
I don't think it was just missandei tho. A big part of her revenge yes, but when talking to Jon she mentioned how if she couldn't rule with love, it would be fear. She definitely made sure all of Westeros fears her now..
@@glamp3212 I know in this show there's a very thin line between justice and going too far.. from season 2 dany has been talking about burning cities to the ground tho. She made questionable decisions many times but got talked out of it by advisors. She always wanted to do this.. Also, from her point of view, she has no one by her side in westeros. Which led to her decision of ruling with fear cause no body there loved her, not even Jon.
@@glamp3212 I was saying that revenge wasn't all of it. She had a lot more reasons, also when she locked away her 2 dragons was before she could ride and control them
@@glamp3212 she did that when the people was cheering her as queen, but this time she knew that jon would eventually get the throne, this was her only way
Glamp 321 she was always insane, the throne was her only goal all along. She wanted to help the slaves because it would help her reach her goal. When the bell rang she knew that Jon would get the throne. This was the only way in her mind. Game of thrones.
If you think about it, they had decided this ending long ago and had slight hinds like the Melissandra-Arya think and also Danny's vision in the house of the undying of her walking to the throne room while ash was falling. We all thought at that point that it was snow but they were hinding at her burning the city. The story is good but the execution of it isn't satisfying because of how little time it has to progress I think.
Jamie never really cared about the people. Everything he did was to protect/save his family. The mad king ordered Jamie’s father killed, so he killed the king. Jamie went north to protect Cersi and even Tyrion. He was always destined to die next to Cersi. Cersi was going to die either by Jamie’s hand (no pun intended) or together.
Well... Messandi's last words were "Dracarys".... Dany followed through with it. Ever since she got to Westeros she has been losing. She was losing ground in the war against Cersei time and time again. She lost Jorah. Two of her dragons. Her closest friend and advisor. Had an advisor planning to overthrow her before she took the throne. And to top it all off: she lost stake to the throne because the man she fell for is an heir to the throne, and that threatens her claim to it. Dany's journey through all of GoT has been from the beginning to get the throne no matter what. She has desired power. Sure she freed the slaves, but she did it to get the Unsullied. She then crucified all the Masters after everyone told her not to. She took the rich leaders of Maureen after learning one of them is against her, picked one at random and burned him alive, not even knowing if he had betrayed her. Because it made them fear her. She had always ruled by fear. You have every right to disagree with how we got to this point. An extra amount of time to show it all would have helped get us their smoother. But this stuff has been in the cards for long time. I for one loved it and loved the show for going with it knowing the attachment people have for Dany.... but she is no hero. She just claimed she was.
It has been said in the video also, it's fine when a character goes from point A to point B, it's getting there the problem. Many feel like daenerys 's development felt rushed not wrong per se
@@lucimilan777 I believe Eric said "character assassination" at least twice. It's completely within Dany's character to lose her shit and burn King's Landing down.
@@Blastadonn Literally last episode when talking with her advisors, with Tyrion warning against burning the Red Keep. Dany "Cersei thinks that mercy is our weakness, she is wrong, our mercy is our strength" 5 minutes later......... "We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker, burn." Like, I don't think anyone disagrees that Dany would do that, again, it's how it got to that point. She just murders everyone. If they had destroyed the red keep and killed Cersei in a public execution by dragon, then had the crowd turn on her and boo her, sending her ape shit crazy, burning them all, that would have been more fitting. But just randomly burning civilians first, despite the fact they'd won....it was forced as shit.
@@donewiththis-2012 LOL. EXACTLY. Anybody who says they have been building into this is only saying that because thats what the writers want you to believe now by using past statements like the coin thing. Fact is, Dany NEVER killed innocent people. ESPECIALLY women and children. She even locked up her dragons because a child was burned. The writers rushed it to make her the main bad guy and create drama for the last episode. So now Dany will die and most likely by Jon because that will shock every one. (i have no doubt this will happen in the books as well but be way better).
@@donewiththis-2012Actually, you didn't finish the quote. She said, "Cersei thinks that mercy is our weakness. She is wrong, our mercy is our strength, our mercy for future generations who will never be held hostage by tyrants." Meaning that the people she burned in this episode weren't as important to her as those that come after.
I've gotta say, you guys are without a doubt the best reactors and reviewers on TH-cam. You always try to make sense of things even if you don't like it, and you are always as positive as possible. You never mindlessly hate the show.
I think they could have kept most of what happened in this episode if they made a few small changes: Have Tyrion free Jaime. Show that Jaime has a vial. Have the first stage of the attack play out as is, but instead of the bells ringing, there's nothing. Jaime reaches Cersei, who is refusing to surrender. He tells her it's over, but they can go out together, on their terms. He shows her the vial, just like the one she was going to give Tommen back in season two. He tells her they'll leave the world the way they came in, together. They both drink, and die. Dany flies up to the tower to find their dead bodies. Feeling robbed of her revenge, betrayed by Tyrion whom she now knows freed Jaime, she snaps. She starts to burn everything. I think that would have worked better than what they gave us. Even still Dany's going nuts would feel rushed, but I think it would have played better. EDIT: This occurred to me later, a bit of setup. You could even play a shell game with the vial leading up to this episode. Introduce it in episode 3. Varys has it in the crypt. He removes it from his cloak, comments on how he carried it to spare himself a painful death at another's hand. But when he dies tonight, he'll just come back as one of them. He reaches out and hands it to Sansa. Sansa asks, "Why are you giving this to me?" "Because something tells me that if any one of us survives this night to need it tomorrow, it will be you." Sansa tucks it away. The next episode a scene in Brienne's quarters where Sansa sets it on a table, giving it to Brienne. Brienne asks why. "Because I've survived far too much to think about ending myself on purpose. I'm not asking you to keep it for yourself. But maybe you'll meet someone someday who needs it." Brienne has it when she and Jaime are together. He wakes in the middle of the night, rises for something to drink, and sees it sitting out on the table where Sansa left it. He recognizes it for what it is. An idea is hatched. He now knows what he needs to do. The next time you see it is right after Tyrion frees him and he checks to make sure he still has it. This also adds a touch of irony. Jaime's known for being the Kingslayer, and now he's also a Queenslayer. Not only that, but this act leads directly to setting off the Mad King's daughter and causing the very destruction Jaime had killed the King to stop.
ShadowCat yess!!! I would’ve totally accepted that waaaay more than what they chose to give us! Dany and John have always been my favorites and even loving dany I could’ve taken her turning all Anakin Skywalker on us if there was an actual reason for her too. I would’ve been ok if she even chose to charge Cersei and they have a face to face and then burns her and the red keep to the ground killing Arya, the hound and the mountain and having collateral damage in the process of it crumbling. But no, instead they chose to have her just snap and burn innocent people while hearing the bells of their surrender? But I digress.
theres a million ways to write this that woulda been better. Starting with have jon betray varys not tyrion. Tyrion betraying varys makes literally no sense especially when he betrays her 5 minutes later freeing jaime.
Everybody needs to read The Knight of the Seven kingdoms prequel to realize tht the Targaryen house was not a bunch of crazy mad people. Prince Baelor “breakspear” targaryen was portrayed as just and noble just like Jon. And the Mad king Aerys Targ didnt descend into madness until he had been captive for over 6 months “ defiance of duskendale “of house darklyn. It made him question and trust no one and he descended into the madness.
Also Rhaeghar was a pretty chill dude. Also not all the "mad" Targaryens were psychopathic murderers right? half of them were just goofy and delirious.
I dont think that is entirely accurate. He was well behaved early, but descended into extremely eccentric and borderline violent behavior before his capture and rape (?). What manifested after his capture was his crippling paranoia and the full bloom of his violent behavior, as well as much of his hygiene issues.
Sarcasm Intensifies Maybe the mad king was bad choice to illustrate tht not all of the targaryen line was a bunch of mad bastards. Aerys did exhibit some tendencies of irrational thinking before his capture and maybe he would have descended into madness without his capture. But after his capture all of his tendencies were amplified x100.
Does anybody remember when GRRM confirmed Dany’s descent as a tragic character is somebody’s blog post back in 2013? I’m sorry to say this but it’s been confirmed a long time ago that Dany was a tragic character. Dany is a complex evil character, she isn’t one-sided. she loves the people who meant a lot to her, but also has a sense of justice. She makes justice her goal, and continue to free slaves from their masters. Since the first book, Dany was tormented by innocent lives that were lost when she unleashed violence and war. Now apparently she has resolved to stop letting this all bother her. Her new “fire and blood” approach completely changed that. In the chapter DANY X, Dany seems to be prepared to write them off, as a sad but necessary collateral damage of her embracing her true ‘dragon’ self and ‘who she’s made to be’. Now she wants to go Westeros, and that’s very interesting because so far in the series and books, Dany’s violent methods and ignoble tactics have often been palatable for the audience because they were used against for brutal and murderous slavers, for seemingly noble ends. But there are no slaves to free in Westeros. GRRM started off giving Dany a seeming moral justification for her violence, that he always planned to undercut. Now Dany is in it for herself- for the throne, for her own power, and for becoming who she’s made to be, and woe to anybody who gets in her way. This is the tradegy of Dany. She achieved peace- but now thinks that war is better suited for her. Dany could’ve chosen that peaceful life in mereen, to grow plants and just be free. In this line “Dragons don’t plant trees, remember who you are, what you made to be. Remember your words. Fire and blood” she rejected mereen. She rejected peace. She wants to embrace who she ‘needs to be’ - in her own words ‘fire and blood’. Reference; (DANY X). So really, it was there on the show.
langella balili This was beautifully written and makes a lot of sense. Dany’s turn was not out of nowhere or done just to subvert expectations. It was long planned and well executed by GRRM and the show.
In Daenerys X, to be fair, she is also hallucinating from dehydration from dysentery and probably also eating bad berries. Daenerys in book probably has a tragic arc, but her madness will also be more “earned”, and we’ll have her inner monologue to show it. I can already foresee that f’Aegon will be welcomed in Westeros, but even with him as an imposter she is not going be lauded or loved for taking him down (“the cloth mummer’s dragon swaying on poles before a cheering crowd”). The “regime change” will not be needed, as American administrations in the past have often determined are required of countries to suit their interests. Jon Connington will be the one triggered by the bells who’ll lay waste to the place before she can win. She won’t gain respect or love from the North, or the people in general, for doing the right thing with her sacrifice in taking down an existential threat in the White Walkers. She is like Stannis in choosing to win the realm by saving the realm, but perhaps like Stannis, she may be brittle in how she feels she is received afterwards. And what happens to things that are brittle when they have to bend? Dany said it herself. Jon will betray her, and she will have been dismissed, disrespected, and rejected as an outsider, when all she wanted was to go and find HOME. She is not loved or wanted in the place she thinks needs her power and protection...the place she thinks is home. The place her ancestors landed and created in Kings Landing... And after everything she has endured and sacrificed, she snaps. It will be a slow burn, with a lot of loss and heartbreak before it happens. We’ll understand how anyone with too much power, even with the best of intentions, can lay waste to a place and become everything they think that they reviled. The message is getting lost in the translation, with people joking about Daenerys “just needing the D”. (Another whole story is the way some folks are looking at Dany in a gendered way that they do not look at the men in the story.) It won’t be like *this*.
yea well said however i don't think the reason why she did this was because she choose to embrace who she was i think the writer intent was that she just snap and went mad. your version acrtraully sounds a lot better
Everything you wrote is correct, but her change to 100% mad this episode was too quickly. I would totally understand her burning the whole city if they didn't surrender or burning the Red Keep only (even if there's innocent people in there too) after the surrender, but just burn innocent civillians after the city surrendered is something else. I have nothing against the fact she goes mad, but the signs for this level of crazy were not there for me. But appart from that I liked the episode very much, actually.
From what I've been watching, Daenerys has been heading toward this for quite a while. Her 'justice' has always kind of been 'kill everyone' unless someone talks her out of it and she can't stand anyone questioning her rule.
You should also include a reaction to the "Inside the Episode" they made for each episode. The writers basically explain their thought process behind most of the scenes.
The Hound's eyes were not gouged out, or at least one of them wasn't.. Right before he gets up for his last attack you can see his right eye is still there.. Great Reaction from you guys as always!!
37:30 I think Shane was thinking of the siege for the Riverlands in season 6 where Edmure was held captive and Jamie threatens him, in order to take the castle back as fast as possible.
Yeah, he said he would kill every man woman and child in Riverrun. He also told Edmure that he would take his infant son and catapult him over the wall of the keep. And that was well after his supposed upward arc had begun.
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It’s not character assasination, the journey is her rise and fall as a person, at the end of season 6 she had everything and everyone. And by this point she’s lost everything her character arc. Is not shear craziness it’s the pure hurt that made her make a decision in an instant based off her emotions. It’s in her character she’s always been emotional
She’s always been one to rush to things based off emotion and up until this point characters like Tyrion and baristas Selmy and Jorah have been able to keep her in check. But she has lost too much
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Blind Wave I can’t believe nobody realized Bran brought that horse to Arya
Everytime a popular TV show concludes, the gods flip a coin...
Not the wire, or breaking bad, they ended perfectly
@@McKurdi well, sometimes a coin can fall on the right side
@@McKurdi Hence the "flipping the coin"
@@McKurdi its just down to opinion some people hated breaking bad ending as a fan of Cersei and not Danny I loved this episode
Ty4755 yeah like 500 people will agree with you
I kinda disagree with Melanie. I think Dany going mad is totally happening in the books, the difference is that it’s gonna have deeper and stronger build up to it.
Exactly. Her going mad is her destiny. People have been talking about this for years because the signs are there.
Yes but I have a feeling the book will never be finished after this show
So we assume, anyway
Yes but it still is an issue... I feel as if the writers know where they want their characters to end up but have no idea how to get them there. They should’ve taken the 10 episode deal
I kinda expect Dany to die and Jon to become mad... He phases out at times and goes berserk on others. He reminds me of Viserys when he kept telling Dany 'don't wake the dragon'. That could also explain why he would go back to the Wall to resume his position there once he snaps out of it. So far the Others were always pushed back but never destroyed, I expect this round to go the same. I might be wrong of course lol. I just want tWoW in my hands so we can get hints where this is going. George will do a build up not like D&D.
I like the story beats, just not how we got to them. It's all too rushed. It's like Dany's madness was built up to 25% during the entire show, then suddenly jumped to 50% in one episode and 100% in the next.
Exactly how I feel about it.
Exactly. If you would write down all the story beats as a tick list (which is probably what they got from George) I would expect a great finale for the show. But they had to build it up much better with at least 2 more FULL seasons or something like that.
Exactly!!
Damn that's so accurate
yeah if they'd built it up properly it would have been absolutely devastating in the most epic way.
I love Dany, and I dont dislike the idea of her going mad, but i expect that if it happens in the books, it will make much more sense and feel more natural
I dunno she’s always done things her own way and had no problems burning whoever was in her way. Her advisors were usually the ones to chill her out so I think it’s pretty reasonable and understandable to see her end up here now that all the shit is going down
They've been setting it up since s1 the only thing stopping her from doing this years ago were her advisor all of whom are now dead or have in her mind betrayed her it's not unnatural or out of character
I think it has to do with the lack of progression in her becoming mad. What we got was a switch in her head to go 180 on her character. I think the show would have benefited from an extra episode in between 4 and 5 that slowly shows her descend into madness.
It was very calculated of her. She planed that she will kill and destroy whole KL. She will rule with fear. Jut like Aegon. I like it.
Yes. That should be the mindset of dany fans. Its just because that the season was kinda rushed that it felt unnatural. Dany going mad is pretty obvious given the history of their family and her past actions. Idg why some dany fans just go "why?" "They killed the character".
Emilia Clarke according to reports went on a 3 hour walk after reading her script.
“Well that was a fucking lie”
Her character's Arc was rushed imo but she ended up where most expected.
I would to if I read this shit
@RS 09 Yeah, i never thought she could act like that, she improved a lot.
Bc she hated the ending. As does Kit. Watch the interviews.
If you ever feel useless just remember..
*the golden company*
What a fucking waste.
Dragons are a bitch man. You'd shit your pants too
Don’t forget the iron fleet... supposedly one ship can snipe rheagal a mile away 3 times back tk back but next week drogon can take out the whole fleet and golden company solo 😂😂😂😂
20 000 Insta Died, k sure
@@viggy1890 well they did all the Iron Born a disservice. Every time euron greyjoy opened his mouth he pissed me off. This season just proved the difference in class between the show writers and G.R.R.M
“I want to feel the characters, I don’t want to feel the writing.” I agree with Calvin so much on this. I feel like more and more I am super conscious of why lines were written a certain way to make me feel a certain emotion. At other times it feels like they wrote the dialogue for the sole purpose of getting to the plot points they know needed to happen. In the earlier seasons, the actions and dialogue stemmed organically from what seemed like strong underlying characterization. Now it feels like the writing is just a tool to tell you as quickly as possible what the characterization/plot will be. Though the writing still shines through in some scenes of course, it wasn’t all bad.
Pookz It's started when they ran out of book as the source material. Martin has the time and space to devote the story. He doesn't have to worry about actors aging. The fact is the TV writers had the plot points, but not the talent to execute it.
Totally agree. Like the Tyrion/Jamie-scene. I became partially emotional, I mean how could you not? This is a huge moment for two characters we've followed for years. However, how ridiculous was Jamie's turnaround in that scene? In earlier seasons, we would have speculated he was acting too naive in front of Tyrion just to get out of the chains, but now itwas just him being too naive. We were many who speculated on Jamie lying to Brianne to kill Cersei, but he just changed his mind. Poor.
dauntlessroos
Seasons 5 and 6, at least, had on of the greatest episodes and moments, you know.
Writers at least tried harder, but now it’s a total waste.
Yes this. For example grey worm & missandei talking about after, I knew then she would die & it was obviously to explain his behaviour. Then the hound and Sansa's awful scene, written just so she can tell him she killed Ramsey by hounds. But then Tyrion & Jaime's farewell was so emotional.
Exactly that, I feel this season, especially that most characters feel like a mouthpiece for the writers to add plot points too. As Eric said Sansa is right because the writers allocated her that character not because it was what that character would actually do.
The entirety of Jon's dialogue the past few episodes:
My Queen
I don't want it
Retreat
He said something to that almost-raped woman too.
@@San4311 Yeah he told her to run and hide...they turned "TPTWP" into an extra lol...
fucking Bastard:D Dany saved and cleaned the world for traitors,liers,haters
fucking Bastard:D Dany saved and cleaned the world for traitors,liers,haters
fucking Bastard:D Dany saved and cleaned the world for traitors,liers,haters
Lena Headey was given one scene in the whole season to actually do something and she crushed it. She is one of the most heinous villains of all time and despite that her pain and despair and fear as she pleads with Jaime to live gets me every single time. Mad props to Lena and all the actors really, shame they were tasked with trying to make garbage into art.
I have to agree. The one scene she really had actually choked me up a bit despite hating her Cersei. Just seeing someone so scared knowing they’re gonna die and begging for a way out is sad regardless
I feel like thats why the put in the words 'I don't want my baby to die' before 'don't let me die'. We feel for her as a mother and feel terrible for her, even though we see her for 8 seasons being a bitch and not caring about anyone but herself and her children (even though that love is also power to her), and wanting power. I never liked it because it diminishes a tyrants death, pretty much robbing me of the relief that her story is finally finished, she got what she deserved. Obviously I agree that Lena Headey's acting of it was ace, it's the writing itself that bothers me
Didn’t like Daenerys character in this episode but her performance by Emilia when she decides to burn the city was amazing.
They kill the character in 15 seconds. Fucking no sense.
And to think, she did that with just green screens around her. Amazing.
@@mikehoot3978 That's what she had always planned to do. "I will take what is mine, by fire and blood" it's been said by her character a lot.
@@ruchirbakshi5393 Fire and Blood is her house words. It's like if you extrapolated the Starks were going to kill everyone because they say "winter is coming" a lot. Dany has, at more times, said she was going to rule justly, protect the innocents and liberate the people from tyranny. Random character dialogue doesn't equal character development or plot points. That's like if they made Arya, in anger at the Lannisters for what they did to her family, go to the Westerlands and poison the water supply committing genocide against innocent people. I could say "well she has said how she's going to avenge her family" and point to all the times she's been cold, detached, unfeeling and ruthless (there's plenty) to make sense of it. It's still not a logical conclusion of her character as it's been set up thus far.
You are dumb if you blame the character, its the writing thats dumb
When the Lannister soldiers surrendered, I remembered that one guard from Iron Man 3 who said "Honestly, I hate working here. They are so weird."
😂
Break it and you bought it!
he should have been at tony's funeral lool
@@juwannlowe4608 Spoiled the movie for thousands for such a lame joke... Sad.
For BLIND WAVE to say they dislike things that are happening in the show with the characters is saying a lot. They usually are mostly on the positive side with their reactions. The GoT writers are definitely messing some things up.
Yeah, I absolutely love Eric, and it really takes A LOT for his opinion to sour on something - especially something he’s a fan of. They done fucked it up
Yeah usually they are blindly uncritical of movies and shows, so I'm surprised they actually see the bad writing here.
You know when the people that blindly love garbage like TLJ start having problems...... You fucked up big time
@Schwanzus Longus Concentration on positive things doesn't mean ignore or refuse to see the bad things. Unfortunately thats what Blind Wave do when it comes to Disney Star Wars
The ones complaining are the ones that read the books, I had no idea about the holes before all that people crying told me. It was just a normal season.
I enjoy watching it, and that's it, if you don't like the writing, shut up and fucking watch the direction.
I don't actually have a problem with the fact that Daenerys turned into the Mad Queen. My only problem is with the execution. I think if GRRM does this in the books it could work very well. I also don't mind Jaime dying with Cersei. It just could have been done better.
maybe because he writes books and can make it into 400 pages if he pleases? of course it will happen, and of course he will do this thing. (?) not sure about stating the obvious
@@disco.lemonade season 8 is trash. People are in denial. I dont think its "the obvious".
Why are you even so triggered by him stating the obvious? Are you in denial?
@@SETHthegodofchaos good luck is not the best, but is not trash. you just a nit picking hater. i actually feel sorry for people like you, bragging to have high standards but not brain enough to see the season for what it is. good luck
@@disco.lemonade "you just a nit picking hater"
Of course :D
"to see the season for what it is"
hmmm the irony
Its not like I or others cant enjoy the show. Its just that it definitely could have been executed far better and more satisfying with less cheap Hollywood tricks and more time to develop story and characters. I dont think there is anything wrong with asking for higher standards and calling out low standards. Or did I miss something? I guess its not "in" since "hating" on stuff aint cool. Everybody is a snowflake nowadays and calling anything out for not being enjoyable is ungrateful and thus tabu. Reduces the happyness in the world. We should all be in harmony and just enjoy. Turn your brains off and consume the shit for some bland entertainment. I got it.
See it like this: If we call out bad stuff, the chances that the bad stuff is viewed as the prime example, then repeated and copied, is reduced. Thus more higher quality stuff might be created. Espacially when you can bring up alternate ideas which would work better to show how it could be done better. Can you agree on that?
john smith What is the point of your comment? He’s just saying it’ll be done better in the books.
SEE JON at least arya knows when to tell her dog hes been a good boi.
Agreed.
@StoicallySuperior No, he just doesn't care about a CGI dog
@StoicallySuperior howbis not saying goodbye to a dog lazy writing, smh. People nitpick at everything
@@lonely_adolescent2715 Whats the point in getting into a fictional story then after all? Your argument just states that you are ignorant af
Jaime and Cersei came into the world sharing a womb....and now they share a tomb.
LOL
A womb tomb
did you steal this? hmmm...
@@exe4780 does it matter?
Womb to tomb, birth to earth.
Jaime S3: "Tell me, if your precious Renly commanded you to kill your father and stand by while thousands of men, women and child burned alive, would you have done it? Would you have kept your oath?"
Jaime S8E5: "To be honest, I never really cared much for them. Innocent or otherwise."
Oooof. Out of all the character assassinations this season, that one may hurt the most.
I think he was just being sarcastic with his brother
Would he choose the masses over Cersei? Nope.
I took that line as sarcasm, if you look at his face and hear the delivery it doesnt sound serious
@@BhBc8f8 he was willing to just sit there and let Dany burn kings landing to the ground instead of even trying to end the war without all of that bloodshed. The old Jaime didn't need a fucking pep talk to know what to do. He never neede to be talked into doing dishonourable or down right despicable acts to save the innocent or Cersei before. He nearly killed himself to save Briene in season 3 and they didn't even like each other at that point. Even if that comment wasn't really true his actions, or lack there of, were out of character.
@@jmgollde843 that wasn't the choice. I could see him choosing the Cersei over the masses but by not acting he was choosing to let Dany kill the masses and Cersei.
euron: i'm the guy who killed jaime lannister :D
the red keep: hold my brick
But he was right - he struck the fatal blow - which makes him the killer of on of the best swordsmen.
Bernhard Stil Well without his right hand he was not even close to the best swordsman
@@snrbroz6214Eventhough that might be true it does not take from the legend - Euron killed a dragon, was a king and fucked the queen. And his last action was killing a former formidable opponent. So dying with a smile was well deserved.
@@bernhardstil6128 True. King of the Iron Islands. His last "accomplishment" was actually dying. He loved new shit.
Heard this bad joke about 200 times. Delete your Account
I agree with Eric's initial reaction. I had the same feeling. Really am not enjoying this season very much from a story standpoint. The production quality is making it all bearable, but man I dont like the story.
Sandor Clegane finally overcomes his two biggest personal demons. The Hound levels The Mountain by tackling him into hell itself.
Alan Guillermo Exactly and dies with honor
He never got his chicken ☹️
Good old gravity.
I would have liked for him to see the fire beforehand and have a moment where he overcomes his fear, and then takes the mountain down into it. Would have been a bit more impactful. But it was pretty cool, anyway...
Phoenixdark1 he was in a burning city with a dragon breathing fire in the castle he was in.
Cersei: "I don't want to die"
Me in angry mom mode: "Well you should have thought of that before."
Rhyan Shelby My exact thoughts: “None of the people you had killed wanted to die either. Bye girl” 😑
Pro Jey96 bruh it’s a fucking show
@Pro Jey96 She died knowing her baby would never live. I'm pretty sure she was mentally destroyed.
There's no worse pain than knowing your own child is going to die and there's nothing you can do about it.
@Pro Jey96 She said it twice, perhaps you should clean your ears. 17:53
@@thadwill1506 I was crying for 2 days
One thing to consider with Dany is that, in Essos, the "innocent" always loved her. She showed up, they viewed her as a savior, and she treated them well because they were on board with having her as queen. It has almost always been the case that anyone that didn't go along with her goals was disposed of. Once she got to Westeros, her disdain for the common people became more and more apparent, until she finally treats everyone against her the way she has always handled those against her.
Book Daenerys will definitely do this, George has given the bullet points. However D&D have come up short connecting the dots.
D&d cant write dialogue to save there life I have no problem with Dany becoming mad queen just shit writing plot
See I genuinely don't think book Dany will go mad. She's got a lot more of a tactful and calm mind if at timea still naive (for a girl her age). I just think she'll be dead against the Others before she ever makes it to KL
@@woodsie8965 @ True, but i belive it was said, that they knew about the major plot points for the main cast. Also some things like Kings Landing being burned can be connected to hints found in the books as well (e.g. Danys Vision in the House of the undying and seeing the Iron Throne covered in ash)
GRRM definitely ment for Daenerys to be a complex character, not the good hero but also not the "black and white" villain. She's supposed to be something else, something difficult to understand, something to make us conflicted about right and wrong. She was always ruthless with her enemies which made us question her decisions, but going on a killing spree of inocent civilians ignoring her main enemy which was Cersei, is just not fitting on the character. She didn't even go after Cersei... The main source of her anger and thirst for revenge. The one that killed Missandei. She just started killing people randomly for no reason.
Complex human characters is GRRM's "thing". D&D decided the easy way out, cause they wanted to get this over with. The result is a poorly executed twist. Such a shame.
Tatiana Lemos The civilians were her target. She needs to fear to rule the seven kingdom.
Sandor's laugh when he is choked by the Mountain is hilarious :D
Dénes Ocsovszki I like how mountain smiles when he laughs
He knew that bastard wasnt going down
They both knew they were going to die there lol
"Don't be me, Girl"
"I poisoned every male heir of House Frey"
"Huh?"
"I literally butchered Black Walder and Lame Lothar, baked them into a pie, and served it to Walder Frey before killing him"
"What? Pie?"
"Get on my level, Clegane"
@Schwanzus Longus True. I think what she did is nothing in comparaison.
@Schwanzus Longus yeah, I think he meant more like living for revenge and choosing it over your own life. She said she wasn't going to come back, like she was going to die and he just wanted her to live
Lol at the joke but yeah the hound killed more but Arya... thats some finess...
"Look, you have to learn a Very Important Lesson about revenge being bad, go and nearly get killed by Dany a lot so you can see that exploding a city with a giant stupid lizard is revenge and therefore bad."
And people say Dany was always a mad queen for killing evil men.
37:00 He's referring to Jaime's conversation with Edmure. Season six. When he would kill every man, woman, and child at Riverrun to get back to Cersei.
Zeppo the Zeppo fuck that scene makes me mad as a book reader
Gumbythehorse2 right Jaime didn’t say all of that to Edmure because he really was intending on doing all that carnage to Edmure and the people of Riverrun. He even says in the book, “ are you really going to make me say all of this?” Or something like that. He promised to take the castle without bloodshed and he did that but he had to play the role of his dickish former self that people hated and feared. He was trying to be like Tywin and Tyrion. The strategy of Tywin with the underlying compassion of Tyrion. He said what he had to say to take the castle without bloodshed. He was not going to catapult a baby. He did not do it to get back to Cersei. These moronic writers have no clue who Jaime is now or just don’t care
You guys confused what Shane was talking about at 37:00. Jamie said he would kill every man, woman and child to get back to Cersei when he had the Blackfish holed up. Edmund was tied up to the pole. The part you guys were thinking of was when Jamie was tied up by Catelyn and stuck with his cousin. I got your back Shane! You ain't wrong man.
Edmure Tully.
_meanwhile in the afterlife:_
_Olenna sips wine_
😂😂😂Olenna be like
'Did yall here something?'
This entire season just feels super rushed, damn foolish decision to go with 6 instead of a full season.
They wanted a 9th season, which got denied. In the end it's HBO who denied them that. (or GRRM, idk)
@@San4311 They were offered to do 10 episodes for this season atleast yet they refused ( they have their eyes on Star Wars so they can reap bigger checks)
HBO approved funding for 10 episodes, DB and Dave declined. Even GRRM said they have enough material to go another 5 seasons. They ruined this series.
Season 7 should've been made into 2 seasons just about the war against Cersei. Final season should be all about the Night King.
The episodes are longer though. Geez you are never happy with anything, are you?
Best part was Cersei excusing herself down the stairs. “Excuse me fine sir, pardon me.” Lol obviously she said nothing but it felt like that’s what was said!
"It was lovely seeing you again Sandor but I really must be going..seven blessings.."
"i see you two have history, I will just awkwardly leave you to it..." xD
the writers had 6 episodes only to wrap this big epic story that's been going on for 7yrs up.... Maybe they sled up the pacing faster then people are used to bbcuz we usually get 10 episodes a season but that's not been afforded this season. And the writers were pretty much told the ending by grrm so u can expect in the books this will be the similar ending that Danny will eventually go mad and take Kingslanding by force. The writers and grrm have been setting this up for the 7yrs.. She watched her brother die and didn't care, she killed the 10 khals to take the dothraki army, she killed the yunkai masters even the ones who didn't keep slaves... She killed the tarlys just bcuz they wouldn't bend the knee, all u have to ask urself is would Jon of done any of that? Hell No. Danny has always been setup to be the mad queen. Her baby died (2nd dragon died,) her best friend missendei dies and last but not least her lover doesn't live her bcuz he knows now he's the true heir and that he's related to her so isn't Interested sexually to her. All this made her go mad
@@MoejiiOsmanTV They didnt "had only 6 episodes to wrap everything up". HBO would have given them all the money to make two more full seasons. But D&D didnt want more years of Game of Thrones, they got some jobs at Disney for Star Wars in sight. GoT Season 8 seems to be their job interview. Fits right in there. Disney will be happy.
And just because they were told the ending doesnt mean they have to do it 1:1 like they have been told. Even if it is the case, the execution in the show was still horrible and I expect a million times more from the book to make more sense. Nobody has a problem that Dany went mad. People expected that. Its the _HOW_ that pisses people off.
And just because she didnt care about her tyrannical brother dying doesnt mean she suddenly is fine with genocide of a million innocents.
Stop making sense of this shit... it required more time to develop. Instead they rushed the last few seasons and hoped that Hollywood Cinema would do the trick to sell it.
PS: Not sure why you even commented on this thread, because it was completely unrelated...
I love the fact that Eric started the discussion by giving props to the production and music because they deserve it, despite the bad writing!
Dany was always crazy bro
What bad writing? (Not disagreeing, just asking what you believe is bad writing)
@@slimshazy2819Jon being Aegon Targaryen meaning absolutely nothing. Bran becoming the king despite him saying he can never be lord of anything and Tyrion who is a prisoner making that decision. Daenerys burning the innocents of King’s Landing which is extremely out of character. Jamie’s famous terrible line “To be honest I’ve never really cared much for the innocent”. The list goes on. This season is full of bad writing.
Jorah was friendzoned for all eight seasons and died fighting for his love.
Dany was friendzoned for two episodes and razed a whole kingdom.
Edit: Call me Qyburn cuz I've created a monster. It was a joke, not a gender-based remark. Chill out internet :|
This is going to sound misogynistic, but women like to pretend the friend zone doesnt exist and then flip the fuck out when it happens to them. Had it happen to me with one person. She friendzoned me for years and then when she showed interest, I wasn't into it anymore and she got pissed and said I was friendzoning her.
@@loonar7960 oh yeah, it happened to you with one woman that means all women are the same lol. women KNOW they can be friendzoned, it happens all the time.
She actually friendzoned Jon
She is insane so...
Fr he should have sacked up and boned his aunt like a man and saved KL.
At 37:13 Shane is right. It was S6E8, he meant Edmure Tully was tied to the post.
Exactly, he wasn't referring to the scene in Season 2 where Jaime strangles his own cousin, rather when he was talking to Edmure about Cersei
With Brynden Tully too, that was after Brianne and he was still willing to kill innocents for Cersei
yepp, and Bronn was with him at that point
They totally jipped Shane on his point hahaha
If they don't mention he was right next finale episode we riot in the comment section (half joking)
Completely agree with all of Erics assessments. Characters are not behaving how we could reasonably believe them to behave. And sadly it all feels forced to drive a plot. Rather then the characters acting in a way that tells their own story believably. It just feels disappointing to see and made me disconnect with an episode that was visually spectacular and should have been amazing to see. It's just a shame.
I saw dany heading down her path seasons ahead
@@acdragonrider It's not just Dany going mad, which was at least slightly foreshadowed even though it wasn't satisfying because it didn't have a build up, (talk to any writer/horror director and they will tell you that the payoff isn't what people enjoy, it's the anticipation of what's going to happen and sometimes the anxiety that comes with it) it's just how all the characters have acted in the last 2 seasons that is almost entirely different than their personalities that were built over several seasons/books, and because it feels so unnatural (imagine in Harry Potter if at the last second, Harry beats Voldemort to his knees and goes "You know what, you may have done evil things, but I'm just going to let you walk away as long as you promise not to be evil anymore.") it feels like they 're not trying, they just want characters into certain spots/positions to be given a choice to make the plot move forward. It's just bad writing from people who probably didn't watch the show or read the books and just thought "You know what would be cool?? The dragon burning up all of King's Landing! Who cares if it makes any sense for it to happen, just do it!"
@@blindfire3167 besides Varys, Arya and the Hound I agree. Jon is completely unlikeable this season and he has complete blind faith for some reason.
@@acdragonrider when you can go back and find the occasional fleeting moment but there's a reason why a fan base that thought the red wedding was brilliant recognizes that the bells is one of the most disappointing episodes in the history of television.
Who else hated the way Cercei died? With Jaimie comforting her? Too good for her.
In the end, Cersei and Daenerys were as bad as each other.
I hate how they humanized Cersei at the end.
I agree should of been much worse.
I liked how she was literally brought low. Throughout the series, she's been so consumed with arrogance, thinking she was so much smarter than everyone around her. In the course of this episode, we see her move from being above everyone to being below, and her death wasn't beheld by anyone who wanted her dead. In the context of events, her death was insignificant, which I feel is indeed the proper death.
It was poetic, their empire and the consequences of their decisions raining down upon them.
Cersei was a piece of shit, but she would deff had been a better ruler than Dani. Which isn't saying much.
Oh man I've been holding onto my butt all day waiting for this. Clegane bowl!
Lmao
What is hype may NEVER die
@D Leo After waiting so long, I enjoyed it.
Veno you’re part of the problem
Unfortunate that the entire fight was utterly meaningless. Well, I guess it was meaningful in the sense that if The Hound hadn't fought the Mountain, the Mountain would still be dead and the Hound would be alive.
Something I seen on twitter perfectly sums up Jaime: Jaime pushing Bran out the window in season one foreshadowed season eight where D&D also did the same to Jaimes character development.
As always, Blind Wave with the most reasonable conversation. Love it.
watch nerd soup review its great too
Blind Wave said about Last Jedi that they loved it. I respect their opinion, but at the same time, it’s hard to take them seriously after that.
Roger Federer lol, fair point friend. They are fanboys at heart regardless of how endearing they are.
Another reason why I love this channel so much is they rationalize their disappointment(or at least try to) rather than just yelling about it like so many others. These guys and screen junkies(or fandom ent. now)are the only GoT panels that I watch.
Fuck no
Eric is a book reader, Eric knows the prophecies, Eric spoils nothing. Eric explains and guides. Eric appreciates the good and the bad. Be like Eric.
Well,they all do. It's just that Eric is the most open about it.
“A Targaryen alone in this world, is a terrible thing.”
Really true.
The show emphasized multiple times the fact that she is/feels alone... she is suspicious of everyone and now that Jon became a threatening element in her life and that she lost her support and Missandei and the second dragon ...she's all crazy vengeance, doesn't think about what will come after that since she lost the reason she was fighting for
I completely agree with Eric. It’s not what happened that bothered me completely, it’s just how it was executed. They just shat on a lot of the characters.
With the leaks being true, this season may be one of the worst endings to any show ever.
Great reaction as always though!
I mean, it's not the ending in itself that is bad, it's how we got there. I expect the ending in the books to be very similar but more elaborate. I personally liked this episode way better than ep4, and what really rubs me wrong is how rushed season 7 and season 8 had been. People teleport from A to B and developments happen in what feels like overnight, because of the time that passes between scenes.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like if they would have saved the Missandei death scene for this episode before the battle it would have made me understand why she had the sudden decision to go all in. It could have been she was thinking back to rule by force over love (since she didn't have that and everything else up to this point), but I feel like it would have painted a better picture and the whole Tyrion attempt with Cersei felt so repetitive imo.
@xXThe Alpha MakerXx I'm not defending anyone, just stating my opinion and who the fuck are you to tell me I'm wrong. Stop picking a side and see the positives and negatives on both before the salt consumes you.
@@Skinenz But doesn't that kinda go against "madness?" If someone is nutso then it's not really something that has to be understood or accepted by other people.
I feel the same. Making Dany the final antagonist is pretty cool turn. But they squeezed into such little time in comparison to the rest of her development thru the most of the series.
1x1 to 8x5
Where tf did Jaimie’s character development go
Out of the window
Like Bran
they said "fuck it no time bro"
It makes sense if you think of how people in toxic relationships can't grow out of it.
Him pushing bran out the window and saying sorry to him was nothing basiclly.
They actually managed to give him negative character developed. How do you do that!
things got writers forgot:
a cup of coffee
jaime having a golden hand
gendry’s bastard surname
valonquar
yara greyjoy
jaime’s entire character
how did ghost get there?
also jon would’ve 100% cuddled him
most of the dothraki and their HORSES died in the battle with the walkers but suddenly they’re all here
dany wanted to be a just but kind ruler who cared about people and did everything to avoid being like her father
cersei would do anything to protect her child
everything grrm wrote
everything they wrote
???????????
A lot of people were happy to see Qyburn bite the dust. Honestly i can't remember him ever doing anything wrong to a protagonist. He was just on the wrong team.
People are happy with his death because bit was stupidly funny
People are happy because he tried to stop the hype, death to those who stop Cleganebowl
@@sammydray5919 oh I understand the comedy and irony, people i have spoken to legit wanted the character to die.
@@therealmfbtl Funny or not, I loved that it was reminiscent of Frankenstein's monster that killed Dr. Frankenstein, his own creation.
wrong team? it's not like he was a part of the army. he did sick twisted things on that team. that was his choice. he made little children kill someone. he couldn've went to another team easily, he had a choice in the last episode. he just does not care.
Dany: Rain Fire
Jon: But my Queen we'll kill innocent civilians
Dany: Just do it
Daenerys: I am inevitable.
Jon: I am... Jon Snow!
Her going crazy that fast is so unrealistic, even the Mad King had 12 of excellent rule before he started to go crazy
It is based off medieval times, executing an entire city was customary. We watched it like she didn't just go through loss, and wanted to make everyone fear her.
I felt it was natural. I’ve been calling her bloody butcher since she was executing slavers in Meereen and all those other places
@@acdragonrider Killing slavers who crucified 163 children innocent slave children as justice, is not the same as killing 250,000 with fire after they've surrendered. I don't think her actual turn is until S7/S8. I'm for the ending, and the way I've justified it, is that the show only shows that she's 'capable' of it, and ruthless/power hungry, but she isn't strictly cruel until that very moment.
they had been building her character for this since season 1. Did you even watch the show? Danny was getting power hungry, and ruthless by every season. this is the person she’s always been, everywhere she goes innocent people die, people just for some reason finally notice when she does it in Westeros. Also, in the show one of the main reasons the Mad King was seen as such was that he burned alive a father and son who were his prisoners, two people who acknowledged him as their king. Weren’t Sams father and brother also prisoners who were burned alive? But by a foreign invader and not by their lawful sovereign? The signs were everywhere, Danys goal since season 2 was to murder people with dragons. She even tells her dragon that she is gonna burn her enemies and burn their citites to the ground in season 2
@@whiteknight8734 Don't pretend you're not using hindsight bias to connect those dots. If we could predict season 8 bells from S1-S4, everyone would have made that prediction and no one did even after the hints in S7 and S8 episodes before it. They wouldn't have thrown 880 lines of shit at her if she basically would have flew in S6 to burned king's landing to a crisp before losing what she did and becoming broken.
The ruins of Kings Landing reminded me of Pompeii….except in this case it's a mad queen on a dragon rather then a volcano.
The same exact for me! I even sang a bit of Bastille's song Pompeii ''But if you close your eyes''
Fun Fact: kit Harrington ( Jon snow) is also in that movie
Especially at the end where there was ashes everywhere which killed the people
Oh yeah i thought the same when we saw the burnt Corpses of the mother and Child.
It just goes to show how pure Eric and his relationship with GoT is, he seems to be the main one to always point out how robbed he felt by the characters despite the directing of the episode being visually and musically incredible. Not saying the rest of the crew don’t like they show as much but they hardly criticize certain aspects that have every right to be criticized.
I can totally buy Dany going insane given what's happened. If you notice, every time a loved one/close friend has died/betrayed her, she gets a little more like her dad. When Drogo dies, she tries to commit suicide, when Doreah and Xaro Xoan Daxos betray her, she locks them in a vault to starve, when Jorah betrays her, she completely ignores the fact he hasn't spied on her for years, and exiles him on the spot, threatens him with death if he ever returns. Barristan dies and she kills Mossador for a major, but completely understandable, response. Then look at what's happened in this season, in the span of what is probably two weeks, Jorah dies, Tyrion screws up so many times she can't help but believe he's betraying her, Jon does the one thing she specifically asked him not to do, the only thing she's begged of him since swearing his loyalty, and Missandei, her closest friend is beheaded in front of her, with her last words basically asking Dany to burn Kings Landing. Of course, she's going to go mad.
SHANE WAS RIGHT!!!!! he referenced jamie talking to edmure tully in season six saying he "would kill every man, woman and child in riverun to get back to cersei"
i disagree with Melanie . This is something that i am sure will happen in the books. This feels like a George thing . But the books will do it a whole lot better . There will be justification. And since its a pov character we will actually know what she is thinking . We dont have to assume
He literally could do the process to madness in one book and it will still feel "earned" since there were hints before and also you can wirtte a lot in a book... however that's not an excuse for the shitty "just because she has to go mad at the last second" script we got
The books will always do something like this better than a series limited by episode duration. George has hundreds of pages, thousands of words to describe it. The showmakers only got 6 episodes and no ninth season..
@@San4311 but i thought "a picture's worth a thousand words" ;)
I heard GRRM told D&D the basic parts of what is going to happen in the end (Dany going mad, who's going to end up on the throne) but D&D got to bring it around how they wanted. GRRM will most likely do it better
he killed rheagal
Fans: There’s no way The Final Season of Game of Thrones will be bad
Game of Thrones Season 8: HOLD MY BEER
All her visions from the house of the undying are coming true (that was all the way back in season 2)
Putting all the negativity aside, Emilia Clarke deserves an Emmy nod for this season, she has been phenomenal.
And let's not forget Ramin Djawadi. If he doesn't get an Emmy this season..
She’s done brilliantly
All 4 Emilia, Lena, Nikolaj and rory deserve one, at least for me
Her facial expressions gave Dany a lot more depth this season than the poor writing did.
09:24 "Look at the way he's running" He's just been in an explosion, his horse collapsed presumably crushing his leg. He's not going anywhere fast
so unrealistic in a storie with dragons an fucking ice zombies
Cleganebowl gave me some Dark Souls vibes with the setting it had; burning city below, dust and smoke in the air, boss(Gregor) takes absurd amounts of damage to down, and of course crumbling city!
HOLY SHIT HOW'D I NEVER REALIZE THIS! I was wondering that the setting felt super similar to something but didn't know what. But dark souls is definitely what I was feeling
A simple way to make this episode good.
Step 1. Don't kill Rhaegal for no reason other then shock value.
Step 2.Have an actual battle for King's Landing.
Step 3.Just as the battle is about to end, and they ring the bells Rhaegal catches a jav to the throat and dies.
Step 4.Dany flips a coin. Oh look at the time, its crazy o'clock... DRACARYS!
Step 5.Same result... Just better.
But i guess its too much to ask for from the guys that brought us X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
I heard another person saying that at the moment of surrender, she should have just gone to the Red Keep to kill Cersei and then the armies see her continuing to fight so they start fighting again and she just starts burning the soldiers and allow some civilian casualties along the way.
I'm sure they thought of that option but they want her to be really really mad. No nuance, so that the viewers accept she must be killed. Damn character development, they just dropped the madness and they thought viewers will simply eat up the surprise!!! Maybe it worked in past seasons, but not in the last episodes of the show ... they're idiots
I strongly disagree with Step 2. The fact that this WASN'T a battle completely redeems the White Walker plot.
Well said Eric 👏🏽 and I agree too with Calvin in regards to Dany. Her story arc is so rushed and doesn’t make sense for the character they built her up to be. There’s a lot of little points missing before we ge to her stages.
An important element to remember is how many times Dany has wanted to crush/execute/burn those who betray her and stopped by either Barristan, Jorah, or Missandei. Without their calming influence her destructive/self-destructive tendencies take hold.
Also, with her attacking after the bell toll, remember all the times she has accepted a surrender instead of finishing them off only to have those foes come back (Astapor, the Wise Masters, Sons of the Harpy, Cersei before the Knight King) and attack her again. If you notice, Cersei never really got afraid until Dany started burning after the surrender. Someone was finally willing to out ruthless Cersei. Cersei has repeatedly beaten people who have her down and failed to finish her off.
Very good point
People are often blinded by rose-tinted glasses. They love a character so much that they overlook or justify the character's flaws.
Yeah ''foes'', ''those who betrayed her''. She freed slaves, lock her on son's because drogon burned one single child, crucified a buch of slavers, executed the Tarlyns like any other king would do.
If they want to go Mad Quen, they should had her talking to grass by season 5 as intended in the books.
I love how the cleganebowl fingers just slowly started to creep into frame
“That’d be a helluva thing up there doing that though...” *no response*
Shane has like a really scary sadistic side lol
I think we're all low-key aware that Shane is a sociopath
The book sales for ASOIAF will be up so much after the rushjob the writers did this season.
Paul H then the fandom can bring all that angst to George’s doorstep.
@@JokermanUno the fandom is already doing it. Thats why Winds of Winter isnt out yet
"rush"? you know GRRM told them how it would end? this is his story.. and it all makes sense, its not rushed, they told us this would happen in like season 3 I think, in the vision dany had.. It was always going to end like this.. if you personally don't like it, that's ok, but its not bad writing, it's a masterpiece.. Main thing is, no one could or can guess what happens, yet when it happens it all makes sense that it happened. And people complaining about night king dying so fast? fast in the season maybe, but of like 70 episodes he died at the end, and he got almost a movie length battle just about him.. it's just a trend now to shit on the biggest show ever. People who hasn't seen it before are almost pressured to watch it now because it's so big and everyone is talking about it and they're the one's complaining the most.. Some of videos on youtube shitting on GoT is just comical, and they don't even know the characters names, they have no idea what they're talking about.. Like "what happened to the night king and I thought it was going to be a story about we have to put our differences aside and fight together etc.." yeah, that's what the show has been about, and it's over now.. it's ending, realize it..
YES...people will be I have to see this Done Properly!!! what a shitty rush Job.
@@CliffJumpingProd the vision didn't say shit about whats going on in the show... kings landing in snow/ash isnt exactly "telling us this will happen"
“Isn’t Drogon getting out of breath yet?”
“He’s having a great time.”
I don't think I'll ever forgive what they did to Jaime's character...
"the things we do for love"
Or Danys, she was never close to being my favourite but come on? this was trash writing for her
Dante GRRM has also wrote a scene where Jaime chooses to not save cersi and help Brienne
They didn't do anything to his character. This is his character and it always was.
Dante “it was trash execution, not trash writing.” Isn’t execution part of writing?
If this is dissapointing i cant wait for next week for the ultimate dissapointment. (And yes i believe that the leaks will be true)
Could you please tell me what are the leaks?
I don't want to waste an hour or so in that episode.
Jaime Pineda Fine . Jon kills Dany . Bran becomes king
@@alejomonte1 Ok, thank you.
Disappointing is the least that we can say about this episode. Bran being king is ridiculous!!!! They just picked the only character that no one would guess of being the king....that's the only possible explanation...
@@mayaraxxx8577 plus jon going back to castle black? Why the hell would he go back there when there is nothing to guard it from. Wildlings and the dead is not a threat. Wtf
well dani lost her sundae so she needed to kill everyone in KL, she just kinda forgot she doesnt kill the innocent, just like how most characters just kinda forgot their key motivations, or major injuries (cough Jamie)
I can watch Eric alone talk about Thrones
Most of the issues have NOTHING to do with the choices the show is doing in any particular episode its just the whole season is being shoehorned in....these choices are fine but you can't do this in 6 episodes and have it feel genuine. This season is essentially a summary of everything that should have spanned 2 seasons.
Un-Break-Able Better to end this shit sooner than drag it down further into the ground. Or get new show runners
@@Blazecap At this point I agree, wouldn't want this quality to be dragged out
And they wanted to do it over 2 seasons, but the ninth season request was denied.
eldim1313 The books aren’t even finished there is absolutely nothing to your claim
Absolutely
Lets please not forget the fact that Cersie spent the whole season pretty much watching through a balcony.
You guys' reaction videos are always great, and I appreciate the attempts to be fair. Pointing out how visually amazing the episode was before diving into the many flaws with the story was class towards the entire cast and crew of the show. That being said... yeah Daenerys' turn felt rushed to the point of laziness. Like "She's crazy. Can't rationalize crazy, that's why it's crazy. So yeah, the Dany you knew is just absolutely gone now."
I agree with every word Eric said
It felt like he was my spirit animal this entire video!
Yes Melanie, something like this will happen in the books. GRRM has said flat out that the ending will be similar with the path to get there being different. So count on the Anakin Skywalker tragic villain arc Daenerys is on in the books to continue.
I can't believe people can't accept this fact
I’ve been waiting for this video ALL day 😂🙌🏻
Shane is right - with regards saying Jamie would kill every man, woman and child to get back to Cersei, Shane is referring to Edmure Tully and the siege of Riverrun. A considerable time after his bath moment with Brienne.
Personally I hate what they did with Jaime; I really feel the impact Brienne had on him overcame his negative views and actions. However, Jaime has always loved Cersei and has grown up with the statement “The Lion does not concern himself with the opinion of sheep.” His conversation in the bath with Brienne did offer an explanation of his actions against King Aerys but I seriously think family came first. He said “If your precious Renly commanded you to bring him your father’s head and kill millions of innocent people, would you keep your oath...” - his father came first in that question. Had Jaime been in King’s Landing when Cersei wanted to and then used wildfire he would have supported it because Tommen would have been safe and Cersei would have escaped the trial. He accepted it when he returned to Riverrun. He has always forgiven Cersei for her actions - he is a victim of an abusive relationship. Although, I thought sending Bronn to kill him would eventually have made him see reason. That is why it is sad and unsatisfying for me - I thought he had broken free from her and could have had some happiness. I know it is GoT but at the end of episode 4 it made absolutely no sense for him to leave Winterfell. He must have known Cersei was going to die so even given his love for her, there was no point in his death.
"She lost 2 of her children"
Calvin addressing Viserion and Rhaegal as Dany's children, not just dragons. RESPECT, MAD RESPECT.
I don’t think Dany is supposed to just turn “crazy” based on GRRM’s comments, but unfortunately D&D seemed to endorse that route with the whole “flip a coin” explanation. They should’ve taken more time to show that transition with her character. Most of the pieces are there in the show - she lost all of her friends and loved ones - Jorah, Missandei, two of her dragons. She’s lost the love and trust of Jon. Her advisors have betrayed her and lost faith in her. The people of Westeros don’t see her as a leader and don’t trust her. She’s always tended towards violence and is cold upon executing those who oppose her. Most of her “good deeds” have been taken with the primary intention of gaining more power. All of this along with her hatred of Cersei and seeing her family’s home that was taken from her bringing back those painful stories she’s been told all her life, echoing in her head as she hears the bells ringing. All of this culminates in her deciding to instill fear and to rule by that instead of continuing to try to be seen as the compassionate leader her advisors have tried to make her in to. She finally gives in to her worst impulses that have been tamed for so long. Daenerys is so blinded by her fear of losing her power as it’s the only thing she has left, and she believes that she simply cannot convince the people of Westeros to take her side and chooses to rule by force instead. I think it makes sense from a big picture perspective but there just needed to be more time and input into Daenerys’ thoughts throughout all of this for it to work for the audience, even with Emilia’s great performances. While the actors and actresses have been amazing and the show has looked incredible this season, I wish D&D had given us 10 episodes to give better justice to these characters - not just Daenerys, but also the Night King, Jamie, etc.. I have still enjoyed this season a great deal and I think people have been too harsh ripping it apart at times, but I do anxiously look forward to reading the rest of the series from GRRM as I have faith that he will do these characters justice and their actions will make better sense given more details.
Yes, this comment is everything. A scene everyone looks at when Dany was being good is the season finale when the slaves lifted her up. To me that scene freaked me out, because when someone gets comfortable with a high pedestal, they are bound to fall.
I feel like Dany is going to struggle against that. But In the books she has Quaithe. she has double the advisors than in the show. She likely will go to Ashai beneath the shadow before going to westeros and learn more about dragons and magic.
Blind Wave always keeps it real. I can always come here for real honest reactions. Other TH-cam react channel thrive on negative reviews( Basically the "Eurons" of TH-cam. Blind Wave is my compass for honest reviews.
Well even here *blind wave* talked about the problems on the show, that kinda really says how much the writing screwed up
Blind wave is far from honest when it comes to reviews. Honest reviews usually involves critique. They are way too uncritical of anything. They pretend everything they watch is great. I just watch their reviews for fun not to get honest reviews.
I don’t think you guys really hit on the fact that Jon realized in that moment, as soon as she started raining fire & vengeance & they killed unarmed soldiers that he had let down his family & fallen in love with a woman who is crazy & I think he knew in that moment what would have to happen in the future with her death 😢💔
I almost couldn't watch this reaction because the episode made me so upset lol
Life of Simran why?
same lol, this is the only reaction i'll watch cause i'm still disappointed
Hah. I know the sense of betrayal you feel once Benioff and Weiss go for character assasination. Been hating on them since Stannis in Season 5.
Same, I was so angry watching this episode lol
I felt like that after episode 4.
Funny things is it ended exactly like Cercei was telling for the last 3 seasons.
I'm just speechless. Dany has turned into her father.... I agree with you guys on the special effects. Amazing, just amazing.
The Red Keep has never fallen
-_Cersei Lannister, the day the red keep fell_
Which isn't even true.
Yeah... She really believed she was untouchable there. So cute.
It's not even true. Both Rhaenyra Targaryen and Tywin himself have taken the Red Keep by force.
I get why she did it. But it would have made a lot more sense for them to show the civilians cheering or celebrating Misandei's death. That would've probably been better motivation for her to burn them. They could've just even echoed Misandei's last word, "Dracarys" in Dany's ears over and over again, causing her to go insane.
I don't think it was just missandei tho. A big part of her revenge yes, but when talking to Jon she mentioned how if she couldn't rule with love, it would be fear. She definitely made sure all of Westeros fears her now..
@@glamp3212 I know in this show there's a very thin line between justice and going too far.. from season 2 dany has been talking about burning cities to the ground tho. She made questionable decisions many times but got talked out of it by advisors. She always wanted to do this.. Also, from her point of view, she has no one by her side in westeros. Which led to her decision of ruling with fear cause no body there loved her, not even Jon.
@@glamp3212 I was saying that revenge wasn't all of it. She had a lot more reasons, also when she locked away her 2 dragons was before she could ride and control them
@@glamp3212 she did that when the people was cheering her as queen, but this time she knew that jon would eventually get the throne, this was her only way
Glamp 321 she was always insane, the throne was her only goal all along. She wanted to help the slaves because it would help her reach her goal. When the bell rang she knew that Jon would get the throne. This was the only way in her mind. Game of thrones.
If you think about it,
they had decided this ending long ago and had slight hinds like the Melissandra-Arya think and also Danny's vision in the house of the undying
of her walking to the throne room while ash was falling.
We all thought at that point that it was snow but they were hinding at her burning the city.
The story is good but the execution of it isn't satisfying because of how little time it has to progress I think.
Jamie never really cared about the people. Everything he did was to protect/save his family. The mad king ordered Jamie’s father killed, so he killed the king. Jamie went north to protect Cersi and even Tyrion. He was always destined to die next to Cersi. Cersi was going to die either by Jamie’s hand (no pun intended) or together.
Alfonso Huerta Jaime killing Cersei made more sense in consequence to his character and prophecy.
Well... Messandi's last words were "Dracarys".... Dany followed through with it. Ever since she got to Westeros she has been losing. She was losing ground in the war against Cersei time and time again. She lost Jorah. Two of her dragons. Her closest friend and advisor. Had an advisor planning to overthrow her before she took the throne. And to top it all off: she lost stake to the throne because the man she fell for is an heir to the throne, and that threatens her claim to it.
Dany's journey through all of GoT has been from the beginning to get the throne no matter what. She has desired power. Sure she freed the slaves, but she did it to get the Unsullied. She then crucified all the Masters after everyone told her not to. She took the rich leaders of Maureen after learning one of them is against her, picked one at random and burned him alive, not even knowing if he had betrayed her. Because it made them fear her. She had always ruled by fear.
You have every right to disagree with how we got to this point. An extra amount of time to show it all would have helped get us their smoother. But this stuff has been in the cards for long time. I for one loved it and loved the show for going with it knowing the attachment people have for Dany.... but she is no hero. She just claimed she was.
It has been said in the video also, it's fine when a character goes from point A to point B, it's getting there the problem. Many feel like daenerys 's development felt rushed not wrong per se
@@lucimilan777 I believe Eric said "character assassination" at least twice. It's completely within Dany's character to lose her shit and burn King's Landing down.
@@Blastadonn Literally last episode when talking with her advisors, with Tyrion warning against burning the Red Keep.
Dany "Cersei thinks that mercy is our weakness, she is wrong, our mercy is our strength"
5 minutes later.........
"We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker, burn."
Like, I don't think anyone disagrees that Dany would do that, again, it's how it got to that point. She just murders everyone. If they had destroyed the red keep and killed Cersei in a public execution by dragon, then had the crowd turn on her and boo her, sending her ape shit crazy, burning them all, that would have been more fitting. But just randomly burning civilians first, despite the fact they'd won....it was forced as shit.
@@donewiththis-2012 LOL. EXACTLY. Anybody who says they have been building into this is only saying that because thats what the writers want you to believe now by using past statements like the coin thing. Fact is, Dany NEVER killed innocent people. ESPECIALLY women and children. She even locked up her dragons because a child was burned. The writers rushed it to make her the main bad guy and create drama for the last episode. So now Dany will die and most likely by Jon because that will shock every one. (i have no doubt this will happen in the books as well but be way better).
@@donewiththis-2012Actually, you didn't finish the quote. She said, "Cersei thinks that mercy is our weakness. She is wrong, our mercy is our strength, our mercy for future generations who will never be held hostage by tyrants." Meaning that the people she burned in this episode weren't as important to her as those that come after.
I've gotta say, you guys are without a doubt the best reactors and reviewers on TH-cam. You always try to make sense of things even if you don't like it, and you are always as positive as possible. You never mindlessly hate the show.
I think they could have kept most of what happened in this episode if they made a few small changes:
Have Tyrion free Jaime. Show that Jaime has a vial.
Have the first stage of the attack play out as is, but instead of the bells ringing, there's nothing.
Jaime reaches Cersei, who is refusing to surrender. He tells her it's over, but they can go out together, on their terms. He shows her the vial, just like the one she was going to give Tommen back in season two. He tells her they'll leave the world the way they came in, together. They both drink, and die.
Dany flies up to the tower to find their dead bodies. Feeling robbed of her revenge, betrayed by Tyrion whom she now knows freed Jaime, she snaps. She starts to burn everything.
I think that would have worked better than what they gave us. Even still Dany's going nuts would feel rushed, but I think it would have played better.
EDIT: This occurred to me later, a bit of setup.
You could even play a shell game with the vial leading up to this episode.
Introduce it in episode 3. Varys has it in the crypt. He removes it from his cloak, comments on how he carried it to spare himself a painful death at another's hand. But when he dies tonight, he'll just come back as one of them. He reaches out and hands it to Sansa.
Sansa asks, "Why are you giving this to me?"
"Because something tells me that if any one of us survives this night to need it tomorrow, it will be you."
Sansa tucks it away. The next episode a scene in Brienne's quarters where Sansa sets it on a table, giving it to Brienne. Brienne asks why. "Because I've survived far too much to think about ending myself on purpose. I'm not asking you to keep it for yourself. But maybe you'll meet someone someday who needs it."
Brienne has it when she and Jaime are together. He wakes in the middle of the night, rises for something to drink, and sees it sitting out on the table where Sansa left it. He recognizes it for what it is. An idea is hatched. He now knows what he needs to do.
The next time you see it is right after Tyrion frees him and he checks to make sure he still has it.
This also adds a touch of irony. Jaime's known for being the Kingslayer, and now he's also a Queenslayer. Not only that, but this act leads directly to setting off the Mad King's daughter and causing the very destruction Jaime had killed the King to stop.
ShadowCat yess!!! I would’ve totally accepted that waaaay more than what they chose to give us! Dany and John have always been my favorites and even loving dany I could’ve taken her turning all Anakin Skywalker on us if there was an actual reason for her too. I would’ve been ok if she even chose to charge Cersei and they have a face to face and then burns her and the red keep to the ground killing Arya, the hound and the mountain and having collateral damage in the process of it crumbling. But no, instead they chose to have her just snap and burn innocent people while hearing the bells of their surrender? But I digress.
Damn I wish u wrote s8
Thats some lazy writing.
I would accept that too...
theres a million ways to write this that woulda been better. Starting with have jon betray varys not tyrion. Tyrion betraying varys makes literally no sense especially when he betrays her 5 minutes later freeing jaime.
Man even if the writing is bad everyone on that team did amazing
An intellectual to the acting was fucking awesome, but the story was so “meh”.
So many talents wasted by hacks.
Euron :i Fucked the Queen
Me: Everybody Has Fucked The Queen!
I've been watching a number of reactions this last 24 hrs and EVERYONE has touched their head when Gregor started pushing his thumbs in Sandors eyes
I did exactly that and didn’t cry up until he started pushing the eyes ..I also made a strange yelp noise like a wounded animal 😩
Everybody needs to read The Knight of the Seven kingdoms prequel to realize tht the Targaryen house was not a bunch of crazy mad people. Prince Baelor “breakspear” targaryen was portrayed as just and noble just like Jon. And the Mad king Aerys Targ didnt descend into madness until he had been captive for over 6 months “ defiance of duskendale “of house darklyn. It made him question and trust no one and he descended into the madness.
Also Rhaeghar was a pretty chill dude.
Also not all the "mad" Targaryens were psychopathic murderers right? half of them were just goofy and delirious.
It's all that incest and centuries of inner breeding that drives them all mad.
I dont think that is entirely accurate. He was well behaved early, but descended into extremely eccentric and borderline violent behavior before his capture and rape (?). What manifested after his capture was his crippling paranoia and the full bloom of his violent behavior, as well as much of his hygiene issues.
Sarcasm Intensifies Maybe the mad king was bad choice to illustrate tht not all of the targaryen line was a bunch of mad bastards. Aerys did exhibit some tendencies of irrational thinking before his capture and maybe he would have descended into madness without his capture. But after his capture all of his tendencies were amplified x100.
Does anybody remember when GRRM confirmed Dany’s descent as a tragic character is somebody’s blog post back in 2013? I’m sorry to say this but it’s been confirmed a long time ago that Dany was a tragic character. Dany is a complex evil character, she isn’t one-sided. she loves the people who meant a lot to her, but also has a sense of justice. She makes justice her goal, and continue to free slaves from their masters.
Since the first book, Dany was tormented by innocent lives that were lost when she unleashed violence and war. Now apparently she has resolved to stop letting this all bother her. Her new “fire and blood” approach completely changed that. In the chapter DANY X, Dany seems to be prepared to write them off, as a sad but necessary collateral damage of her embracing her true ‘dragon’ self and ‘who she’s made to be’.
Now she wants to go Westeros, and that’s very interesting because so far in the series and books, Dany’s violent methods and ignoble tactics have often been palatable for the audience because they were used against for brutal and murderous slavers, for seemingly noble ends.
But there are no slaves to free in Westeros. GRRM started off giving Dany a seeming moral justification for her violence, that he always planned to undercut. Now Dany is in it for herself- for the throne, for her own power, and for becoming who she’s made to be, and woe to anybody who gets in her way.
This is the tradegy of Dany. She achieved peace- but now thinks that war is better suited for her.
Dany could’ve chosen that peaceful life in mereen, to grow plants and just be free. In this line “Dragons don’t plant trees, remember who you are, what you made to be. Remember your words. Fire and blood”
she rejected mereen. She rejected peace. She wants to embrace who she ‘needs to be’ - in her own words ‘fire and blood’.
Reference; (DANY X).
So really, it was there on the show.
langella balili This was beautifully written and makes a lot of sense. Dany’s turn was not out of nowhere or done just to subvert expectations. It was long planned and well executed by GRRM and the show.
In Daenerys X, to be fair, she is also hallucinating from dehydration from dysentery and probably also eating bad berries.
Daenerys in book probably has a tragic arc, but her madness will also be more “earned”, and we’ll have her inner monologue to show it.
I can already foresee that f’Aegon will be welcomed in Westeros, but even with him as an imposter she is not going be lauded or loved for taking him down (“the cloth mummer’s dragon swaying on poles before a cheering crowd”). The “regime change” will not be needed, as American administrations in the past have often determined are required of countries to suit their interests. Jon Connington will be the one triggered by the bells who’ll lay waste to the place before she can win.
She won’t gain respect or love from the North, or the people in general, for doing the right thing with her sacrifice in taking down an existential threat in the White Walkers. She is like Stannis in choosing to win the realm by saving the realm, but perhaps like Stannis, she may be brittle in how she feels she is received afterwards. And what happens to things that are brittle when they have to bend? Dany said it herself.
Jon will betray her, and she will have been dismissed, disrespected, and rejected as an outsider, when all she wanted was to go and find HOME. She is not loved or wanted in the place she thinks needs her power and protection...the place she thinks is home. The place her ancestors landed and created in Kings Landing... And after everything she has endured and sacrificed, she snaps. It will be a slow burn, with a lot of loss and heartbreak before it happens. We’ll understand how anyone with too much power, even with the best of intentions, can lay waste to a place and become everything they think that they reviled. The message is getting lost in the translation, with people joking about Daenerys “just needing the D”. (Another whole story is the way some folks are looking at Dany in a gendered way that they do not look at the men in the story.)
It won’t be like *this*.
yea well said however i don't think the reason why she did this was because she choose to embrace who she was i think the writer intent was that she just snap and went mad. your version acrtraully sounds a lot better
Everything you wrote is correct, but her change to 100% mad this episode was too quickly. I would totally understand her burning the whole city if they didn't surrender or burning the Red Keep only (even if there's innocent people in there too) after the surrender, but just burn innocent civillians after the city surrendered is something else. I have nothing against the fact she goes mad, but the signs for this level of crazy were not there for me.
But appart from that I liked the episode very much, actually.
The best scenes in this season are those that are without words. The script is really the let down, it's just to shallow for GOT.
Veronicca Francisco the arya hound scene was good imo, and parts of tyrion jaime (not all of it though)
Same a lot of the dialogue has felt lacking. There’s not been a stand out moment like there used to be
The whole scene of Tyrion and Jaime was good. Fuck are you on?
@@phillyjackson45 One good conversation.....the fuck are you on? Have you watched any Game of Thrones before this season?
So many writing experts on TH-cam and then they don't even know how to spell. lol Sure, honey, sure.
Daenerys went full Targaryen... Never go full Targaryen.
nice reference
Nah she went full Genocide, not even the other targaryens went full Genocide
@@undead9736 Targaryans were either the best kings or the worst kings because of the coin flip
She went full Targaryen on the civilians and ignored Cersei... Error 444!
this is such a bullshit. in 300 years of targaryens only 4 went mad, all men. jon had more chances to became mad than her
Its not what happened its how fast it happens. Makes it unbelievable.
From what I've been watching, Daenerys has been heading toward this for quite a while. Her 'justice' has always kind of been 'kill everyone' unless someone talks her out of it and she can't stand anyone questioning her rule.
And now she doesn't have Jorah or Missandei to tell her off.
You should also include a reaction to the "Inside the Episode" they made for each episode. The writers basically explain their thought process behind most of the scenes.
The Hound's eyes were not gouged out, or at least one of them wasn't.. Right before he gets up for his last attack you can see his right eye is still there.. Great Reaction from you guys as always!!
37:30 I think Shane was thinking of the siege for the Riverlands in season 6 where Edmure was held captive and Jamie threatens him, in order to take the castle back as fast as possible.
Yeah, he said he would kill every man woman and child in Riverrun. He also told Edmure that he would take his infant son and catapult him over the wall of the keep. And that was well after his supposed upward arc had begun.
Yeah!
Joann Griffin the thing is in the book you see what he is thinking in that scene and it’s basically him bullshitting and relying on his reputation