2024 LDV eDeliver 7 electric van review (EV / BEV LCV test inc payload, range, charging, battery)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- The LDV eDeliver 7 has beaten all the big names to the punch in Australia.
It's the first right-sized, right-priced electric van for the market, with a medium size van starting from $60K with more than 300km of EV driving range.
That's the same price you'd pay for a good example of the Ford Transit Custom, VW Transporter, Toyota HiAce or Hyundai Staria Load, but this one is fully electric, making the total cost of ownership (TCO) far more appealing to business buyers looking to add some green credits to their fleet.
It could also be a great tradie choice for the sole trader or small business buyer, with seriously impressive credentials including loads of active safety tech, very affordable servicing with long maintenance intervals, and an array of great features as standard.
Add to that the fact there are short-wheelbase (SWB) and long-wheelbase (LWB) models on offer, as well as Low Roof and High Roof choices, and two different battery sizes (77kWh and 88kWh, both from CATL), and you get the picture that LDV (aka Maxus) is taking things pretty seriously when it comes to EV vans.
But there are some things that could still be better. Watch the review, and you'll see what I'm on about.
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00:00 Intro
00:38 Is it the right price?
02:47 What are the best alternatives?
04:50 Is it the right size?
08:11 Interior
11:23 Under the bonnet
11:58 Range and charging
13:26 Driving
17:17 Efficiency
18:13 Is it safe?
19:07 Ownership
19:58 Verdict
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Hi all - note that I have CONFIRMED this van runs a CATL-sourced LFP battery, for both the 77kWh and 88kWh models.
@11:58
Thank you, very important information.
I am sold. I am ordering mine tomorrow. Not joking. Thank you for this video. Long wheelbase low roof as we have some work in the city time to time.
Thanks! Great to hear your feedback. Hope it hits the spot for your business.
Hope you enjoy rust and continuous issues with cheap parts breaking. Reviewing a brand new vehicle is very different to owning one. LDV are trash, possibly the worst Chinese brand.
What bad experience have you had with your LDV ?
Yeah I'd love some evidence to back this up.
@@therightcar Too often if its Chinese, the haters come out of their evil lair spreading untruths .
The 88 high roof would make for an interesting camper van conversion. Fully electric inside and out
eah totally agree with you there
Can you take off power to run a fridge?
Yeah, no vehicle-to-load (V2L) I think.
Great move by LDV that lays waste to those who speak against the wide potential of commercial electric vehicles. More and more commercially viable EV’s entering Australia is a great move towards the future. The LDV variants, as explained by this excellent review, seem to offer excellent prices and a very competitive range of design variants. Great remarks re torque, that’s the magic of EV’s and in these van variants it will make them fantastic commercial vehicles that have potential far beyond many of their fossil fuel equivalents. Great to see a positive review of this commercial range of vans conducted by a major reviewer. Cheap to run and keep serviced. Fantastic. Thanks for an interesting and informative review.
As a once professional courier driver in Sydney, my average daily routes and ad hoc deliveries were on average, 250Km a day. so yes, the range is more than enough, even with the smallest battery. i like the 180 opening doors, allows fork lift drivers more room, and less chance of a crushed door from a dodgy forkie.
you wont be maxing out 250km+ on daily frequent city driving with loaded van, more like half of that. get real with limitations of battery powered cars, guys..
LDV for me . The first sensible EV I have seen as a town delivery vehicle it would be great. The best thing is no digital speedo , i hate them . Analogue instruments for me.😊.
You’re so contrary. It’s the best.
Matt nice review mate (fellow Aussie motor bike reviewer here) It’s great to see someone looking at the commercial vans, so many reviewers won’t do reviews unless it’s a sport’s model this or that. Well done 👍 (only thing I’m not sure about is your thumbnail “Cheap Chinese Van” $60k ?)
Thanks mate!
Yeah, workhorse vans aren’t the happy experience of a Lambo. But it’s what this channel will be - videos for people who are looking for info about new models, vans included!
Cheap over the life of the van, at least. And it clicks well… 🎉😂
@@therightcar Well done Matt, cheers mate.
Great video, these vans seem quit impressive to me. Thanks for such a great review!
Thanks for the compliment. Glad you liked the review!
Had numerous LDV utes at work, we get less than 3 years out of them before they retire under 200k on the clock, generally rust issues start very early. Wait for a BYD version, as they’re far superior brand.
you have no idea how fast technologies and skills changed in China in just 3-4 years time since you had yours. MG, Buick, Chevrolet are also made by SAIC who also makes LDV. MG is selling really well worldwide.
@@roddiechanyou have no idea that my company changes said vehicles every 18 months as ongoing costs to keep them on the road are appalling.
@@paulb1951 if you have less than 3years of use, why are they going back to the same brand? Now you say 18 months...Pls get your numbers straight mate
@@roddiechan you’d have to ask my boss. 120,000 km warranty runs out then it’s issue after issue after issue.
By the way I’d never buy one nor recommend one, they’re trash.
Paul, I got the same feedback from dealership in NZ. A courier was saying he's constantly bringing it in for repairs after hours because he has a biz to run. Thanks for info on rust. These companies do get it right eventually. Say when! 😅
Looks like I’m finally inheriting an Amarok as hubby is super keen on getting one of these 😁
Ha, cool!
(I prefer the Amarok) 🤪
Me too 🤣
I'm glad you talked about visibility. When you mentioned that glazing wasn't an option that was pretty much a deal breaker for me. My current work van is actually a passenger version that I took the back seats out of so it has windows all around which gives great visibility. I could probably live with just one window on the left side but zero windows & no camera view is not appealing. Apart from that it looks great & I'm sure there's plenty of people who don't care about the window situation.
Would there be a viable aftermarket solution to that? Thinking of a campervan conversion/use
Yeah, that left window is very handy when you find yourself in the median strip trying to spot a gap. I'd definitely have to get that sorted by some sort of aftermarket company.
The van he was driving had windows in the back! Visible during driving test.
I am driving the Maxus 3 now. Pretty nice in your weather, many nice perks. When you're getting closer to freezing temperature the heating stops working, also the charging and one pedal driving. The phone won't work. The bar for showing the charge shows 7 of 8 bars but the percentage display shows 37%. Etc etc etc
None of those sound like impressive traits!
I will have one on Friday 15/03/24 Thanks for good review to making me decide
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks and good luck.
Excellent review!
If the steering control buttons are anything like the Deliver 9 you can use the up / down on the left hand side to alter the centre lcd screen on the drivers instrument cluster to display the current speed as a digital read out.
It’s different mate. I asked LDV’s people and they acknowledged it’s a concern. Hopefully an update with a new template for the screen (ideally with a digital speedo and remaining range on the same screen) will be implemented via a software update.
@@therightcar well that’s annoying. A display like you describe would be ideal.
Thanks for the good review. I think a next generation model would hopefully fix the issues I have. A profitable tradie won't be having a 45 minute lunch or want to drive around to find a fast charger that, at 70Kw+ isn't fast. The quoted range of 360 km would likely be halved with air-con, high speed highway use, towing a trailer with loaded roof racks and inevitable battery degradation. A bigger, heavier battery would have been a better move but even the competitors don't do it. There are a few attention to detail issues that need to be addressed such as the gear change location, flimsy barn doors and inadequate camera. (I have been injured from my previous van having a protruding pin and weak hold on it's barn door). I was keen to love this but some other brands offer the critical attention to detail required. On the plus side, some of the standard tech is good.
Thanks heaps for your comments mate. Appreciate it.
A great review thanks. You didn't mention battery chemistry. If its NMC those unladen ranges will be too skimpy and if you need that extra 20% you will wait too long to fill.
If it is LFP ignore most of that as you can set off with 100%.
Also, isn't it true that if you charge this vehicle on AC single phase (like most homes only have) you only charge at ~3.5kW but if they had put in instead a 7kW single phase charger you could charge at home at ~6.8kW?
If most owners work from home single phase would fill the battery overnight but not this 11kW 3 phase requirement.
I failed to mention they are CATL sourced batteries, and from my understanding that means they’re LFP.
Yes, the charging mechanics are about as you state. I have a 7kW wall charger at home, so it’d top out around that (meaning 12-13 hours to charge from 5-100).
❤it.
Bring on the electric trade range.
Fantastic!! Thank you
No worries - glad you found it helpful!
Cant get over the fact that Plain Jane vans are $55k. World has gone mad.
Well, the market has realised that people will pay overs...
What a winner , just canned the Kangoo or the Partner this is great value.
apologies if the info was on screen I am a blind subscriber
Is there an LFP battery option and what are the driving ranges for the low roof long wheel base options in both battery sizes
Cheers
I can see a lot of fleet buyers getting these.
Nice looking van but the range is pretty poor. What happens when your on a time frame and have to do more kms in the day and you dont time to charge the battery up to continue with the job and deliver parcels on time? I dont think people are about the long term issues, yeh its great for short distance but usually every delivery driver does more the the range in one day
if i ran a van in syd or melb then it would make sense but when you get into wa or sa everything is just a bit further away . tomorrow i'm driving my transit van on a run from perth to gero which is 429km , which will take 4hr 20m then i have 4hrs work to do when i get to site. inefficient to charge them at ampol for 69c a killowatt though , depot might have to get dc fast charger installed
Good point, and we’re a long way off long-distance driving here - that’s why diesel still dominates.
This would be no good for Perth to Geraldton then. You'd have to recharge somewhere on the way.
Back in the day , i ran the old LDV , nice to drive . Drive a Vivaro these days , this looks just like it. As Lecky is over 70p per KWH still sound expensive to run against my oil burner.As there is more room than i need , why dont they have an inside charge socket ? inverters and Lithium backup inside would take away range anx . Regards from rainy UK
Thanks!
Yeah, no vehicle to load (V2L) is a silly shortfall.
For that money and the type of vehicle range just simply is not enough. It might be fine under perfect windless 25DegC weather but… add battery degradation over time, cold weather, wet weather, windy weather and loads range is going to be somewhat below advertised range especially if you use the heater as well. Until they have 450km range plus it will have limited target market.
I tend to disagree.
Courier drivers and tradies alike don’t usually do more than 300km in a day. Obviously there are exceptions but as a general rule they don’t.
And fleet back-to-base operators will be fine with this sort of mileage.
There shouldn’t be as much degrading of the battery as it’s a CATL unit.
@@therightcar I guess we will see.
@@simonmanners4108it saves a lot in fuel and maintenance. Battery degradation is hardly an issue with EV. Besides the battery had 8 years warranty.
Range as with all Vans depend on load, driver and weather.
Is the chassis square tubing like in the smaller model. Build quality has me worried. Saw another TH-camr video the next model down underneath and the van is poorly built will not last. It would be good to see if this larger van is more of the same or if it’s capable of lasting and getting the NCAP certification
I didn't get a chance to check the underbody.
Is there a plywood sheet under the cargo floor like in the smaller version. Ie steel is too thin
Not sure mate, good question.
The most important in such reviews is to provide details about the battery chemistry. Is this a LFP or NMC pack?
It's CATL sourced, so presumably LFP. I've asked LDV to confirm.
@@therightcar CATL make both LFP and NMC. But LFP is more cost effective.
You Aussies got a lot of interesting options from Europe and China unless the world leader here in North America, and I am so jealous.
There are more than 60 brands in Australia. Oversaturated!
does it have a park position as the ldv 3 does not and when parking you are relying on the hand brake
The camera should do the surround - it's a long van with no side window!
Totally agree!
Do you know if the process if available to import LDV into the USA Are tarifs an issue to your knowledge?
Ooh, that's beyond my level of knowledge, sorry.
The diesel model of these van are running rampant in Asia, alongside the Toyota Hiace. They are everywhere as tourist vans.
Does it have a refrigerated battery?.
The e delivery 3 wasn't.
Don't believe it does.
Wish they had V2L. Imagine having a wallbox quasar and use your fleet has a big pool for that solar juice then use them at night
Haha yep - no V2L. Sorry for not pointing that out but you clearly knew anyway!
A 7 seater version would be nice. It wouldn’t need to be luxurious, just be a good honest people mover. Something like a Hiace Commuter.
I don’t think it’ll happen - but LDV is evaluating the Mifa 7, a smaller people mover.
Had my ed3 for 10 months in uk had a couple of small etc issues, but on running costs it’s a no brainier £400 low night rate for 11k miles that’s only 10% from my mitsubishi l200 , it’s paying for itself in fuel savings 👍
50% of the cost of fuel is a general tax. Enjoy the cheaper travel while it lasts, eventually a tax will be introduced.
the PSA vans comes closest to these specs. wonder why they are not mentioned (Proace, vivaro, expert, jumpy etc.) 75KWH. I drive one myself , LWB.
They’re not mentioned as I’m based in Australia and we don’t get any of those.
@@therightcar sorry, didn't know.
POZDRAWIAM BAERDZO SERDECZNIE .
Will it take an 8 by 4 sheet on edge?
Dimensions (I'm no mathamagician) here, in the review I wrote for CarExpert:
www.carexpert.com.au/car-reviews/2024-ldv-edeliver-7-review
It's said that body repair people have a whole new market repairing LDV rust damage. Any comments from LDV owners?
If you buy cheap, don't complain. There are good ones if you pay a bit more.
Check the floor load height, much higher than a ICE van. Any of the positives mentioned come with an ICE van too and none of the many negatives of a BEV, least of which is the price.
Laden range will be pants.
@@ghunt9146which might be completely irrelevant to many buyers. No one said this was a fit all solution.
I am in Canada. Is it possible buy one in Canada?
I don’t think so
Thanks for checking out my channel from the other side of Earth!
Wait till it burns 🔥
High quality car
It will be available with 4WD later in 2024 :)
Will it? In Australia?
@therightcar In Sweden at least. Can't say about Australia. But it would be quite strange if they chose not to release the AWD version in all markets.
Does it uses LFP battery?
Yes, I have confirmed it uses LFP
Do you know what type of battery?
Yep it’s a CATL-sourced LFP.
That's a very bad placement for the charging port for public chargers. Won't be able to use Tesla chargers without blocking two bays = not cool.
This is going to sell very well.
You think? Fleet buyers mainly?
You're First to give the full overview on them. They are Maxxus Van in EU. Didn't see the height variants shown, yet. The H2 roofline is nice for a campervan.
You have no e-Expert van from Peugeot in Australia? I'm running one of those. I'm full EV on all my transport.
Why bother with fuel cars 😅
Thanks mate.
I showed the heights a couple of times. Take another look :D
No e-Expert yet, but it is coming later on.
@@therightcar I seen yours, obviously. I ment havn't seen those here in EU sold yet 😉
What battery type is it ? LFP or NMC it is a major difference.
Wow, super expensive, we’ve seen these type of vans (different makes and models) loose almost half their range once loaded, not enough power to do a full days days delivery.
Doesn't the driver have lunch or use the bathroom and what about unloading time...all opportunities for charging.
Try this one, and report back. I dare you.
It’s expensive for sure, but every other manufacturer has decided to make every other van expensive too.
Let me guess - no heat pump? Big space, heat pump necessary, or pointless.
This will be exciting.
I never know if you’re being genuine 🤔
@therightcar To be truthful, I find nothing exciting about EV,s.😂
haha!
Good then… Shall we take a crash test?
You buy six or seven of them for ANCAP and I’m sure they’ll be happy to arrange it.
What brand is this EV?
LDV - could be Maxus, depending on where you live. Built by SAIC China.
we also have Maxus here in Ph but they don't have EV on their line up
already ordered one and will convert it into a camper
Big mistake!
@@hcw199 why?
Any people movers,at this stage?
There’s an electric people mover called Mifa 9, which is more than $100k.
They’re apparently considering a smaller Mifa 7.
One major setback. Infrastructure! I run 4 vans, and not one of them is, or can be parked where there is available power. And what about resale and insurance? Used EV's depreciate as quickly as their battery range, and you pay a premium for insurance. Sorry, not the future for me, or most I reckon.
What happened to the VW Transporter ?? It's called LDV now !! GO FIGURE, VW
Um, okay!
VW doesn't care anymore about their customers, as it seems. The quality is getting worse and worse (plastic used on all parts that should be reliable etc.). And they even send customers away at the dealer, when their car is older than 10 years and says "Engine Workshop". Maybe it is time for an EV that looks and feels like a VW Transporter?! Certainly I don't see a reason anymore to support VW's approach to customer satisfaction. LDV seems to be on the right track here however. Great review! Thank you!@@therightcar
EV is good for delivery, taxi, uber .. save hips fuel
Not very good for courier drivers as only had one sliding door
Yep, it's a bit silly they didn't offer a second slider.
You didn’t say what the range fully laden my friend does about 300 miles a day as a just in time delivery this would be no good
I didn't say what the range is fully laden because I didn't drive it with a load. But bingo, if you do that many miles a day, you're going to need to stick with a diesel.
When battery failure will the door locked and burning coffin
Wow, way to paint a picture
Do not spoil good vibrations with relevant questions. This youtubet is obviesly an evangelist.
Just think of the money you save your family in funeral expenses !
No. We don't charge while having our lunch as this means you're working during your break. Do you sit at a fuel pump for 45 mins and eat while refueling? Nope. 😅
You gotta expand your lunch options chief. Take a drive. Line up for an overrated banh mi!
You can AC charge on site.
I see many enough builders sitting around fuel station parking lots. So you can DC charge it as well. And you don't need 45 min. You can put in 10 or 15 fir plenty of extra km.
You DO NOT SIT and wait at an EV charger. You plug in, leave it and go do stuff.
Your obviously not a Tradesmen, as they work on a different basis, they are mostly self employed, "working during your break" doesn't apply to them, as they are not, paid by the hour Employees.
The grills just look like bunch of Mercs!
No three-pointed star though…!
At the end of the day it's cheap chinese metal which will rust like all the other ldv's and have major issues
I guess we will have to wait and see. There’s warranty for rust.
Value for money? Cheap definitely not !
Cheap in the long run when it comes to ownership and charging (if you do it right!)
Ldv is a old British van maker.
It is. Leyland Daf Vans. But we have it as LDV here instead of Maxus.
Just buy and id buz
VW ? Are you serious, their EV problems are well known.
Ford is screwed, they think an electric van is worth 100k
The LDV will rust in front of your eyes and their customer service is appalling.
I don't want a van but are you joking a an EV van doesn't make sense especially from China and we know about LDVs rust problems and in the ICE versions and what is the real range once fully loaded also l was a courier and did an average of 50000 kilometres a year around 1000 kilometres a week how often would you have to recharge and if you are an employee driver what a great bludge they are you will bet paid to sit there for an hour or two to recharge and that Mercedes EV van saw a review on EV carnage and he was not impressed by the Mecedes EV van and how long will it last before it needs replacing the whole van no if l was buying a van it would be a Toyota Hiace because they are everywhere old ones new ones still going strong and I have noticed that Australia Post is using Hiaces and we are fortunate not that we are been forced into EVs unlike Europe and the
Cheers for sharing your thoughts.
So 200km per day, then
Unloaded 220 miles in perfect conditions.I,m not sure that will be popular.
@@mymusic5772 I am just wondering what it's range would be at its maximum allowable weight it would be greatly reduced
@@Network_Films l was a sub contractor courier for over 30 years and there were days were l would do 300 kilometres and l would sometimes be carrying heavy loads an EV would not make sense if your wheels weren't you earning money
This efficiency is horrible. Even the Kia EV9 does better here.
It's a different application, though.
China news about EV exploding
Chill out. Petrol cars explode more.
Will these type of cargo van coming to America? 😂👍👍👍
No, it is a national security threat.
@@mouseisbroken so BS
No because the moment you drive it, it will spy on you and auto shut off 😂😂😂.
With Trump will be worse...
What would it sell for in say 4 years , ?
I’ll just get the crystal ball 🔮 out
@@therightcar How about 50% of the value and the Battery needs to be changed, so 28% of what you paid for it
sell it girl!
Sorry?
Ldv is a old British van maker.
Leyland Daf is, yep! Maxus in most other markets.
LDV was made in Washhood Heath, Birmingham, UK. Classic white van then, used by Royal Mail (Post office) and police during the tail end of the 20th century. The Chinese bought it, just like MG which was also made in Birmingham.