@@LordOfNihil they clearly says there is no way that they could make more... so no they cant (and dont ask why they could build 2 ships with photon rockets but no photon torpedos)
@@Annishark poor writing out the gate i think, and granted its nothing new to trek (season one tng wtf). in this case they wrote themselves into a corner and tried to forget about it later. my first time seeing the pilot and having it relieved that they are short on torps i was like "well this is going to be a boring show". thing about scifi is that which can be technobabbled away can be handwaved back. having starfleet send them plans for a 'quantum resolution industrial replicator' could have solved this problem. i guess theres a reason voyager was my least favorite trek.
In re: restocking torpedoes... Season 4 Episode 17 "Retrospect" revolves around Voyager purchasing TONS of weapons, both handheld, like rifles, and ship bound, like cannons. There is no reason to think that this is the first or only time they've ever bought arms.
Plus torpedoes are easy to replicate, minus the explosive device and that's just a bit of labor from a skilled technician, star trek level children could fabricate a photon torpedo given time and a schematic or two
@@toryfox4580 I presume photon torpedos would be made of components that can't be replicated like Latinum. But more difficult to get hold off than antimatter. This would be the 24th century version of arms control. If torpedos could be easily replicated then a terrorist could get hold of them and start blowing up cities.
@@DavidKnowles0 and essentially they could, and I'm sure the explosive component would be complicated but still available somewhere, or through some form of refinement or chemistry or metallurgy, I'm just saying idk (yet) what a photon torpedo uses for its explosive but as with any torpedo its mechanical components should be fairly easy to replicate, time consuming but plausible
When they found ways to replenish the warp drive they could use the replicator to build whatever they deemed important. Voyager did more of what the mission was described as being in the the original series than any other. Their exposure to new tech especially from Borg interaction was key as well as the Holodeck sophistication should have meant a new series. The sad part was the fact that Kate did not like Jeri, even though it seemed a paternal bond on the show. Kes was a favorite and evolved rather than died and the episode where she returns to the ship is epic.
I loved voyager, but HATED the finale! What made them a family was the years they spent together. Yes that still had 7 years, but that’s a lot different than 25+ years. The Paris daughter didn’t grow up on the ship, and as witnessed in Picard, life didn’t go so well for 7of9 or Echeb.
Interesting... I had been under the impression that the warp nacelles were designed that way (up for warp travel, down for impulse) for aerodynamic purposes, as Voyager was the first starship in Star Trek history that was designed to enter an atmosphere, and land on a planet...
I actually assumed the "separate power supply for the holodeck" was for the doctor....ie, if everything shuts off, you want your dang backup doctor to work!
don't get me started on the doctor. like the fact that they actually had 2 but never used both. despite the fact that they had no remaining medical staff. hell why didn't they just copy+past the guy. remember that episode where the doctor got insane because he had to make the decision of saving one crew member and letting the other die. could have saved both. or the times he got stolen or was otherwise not available they had a backup. and with the holodecks being independent wouldn't that mean they could use them as emergency facilities like shelter or med bays.
@@ADMNtek the backup? Wasnt that just a basic holographic matrix? Or are you referring to the diagnostic system? As for using them as triage centres, yeah they could have for large issues. Also, i seem to remember them trying to build a new doctor....that promptly broke
Honestly the holodecks having their own independent powersources actually makes perfect sense when you consider that they can easily function as any other room on the ship, including the bridge, and could probably function as life support systems.
Considering how often holodeck characters were able to take over or effect the Ent-D (think Moriarty, super Barclay, that weird lifeform train thing, Data), completely separating the holodecks from every other system makes total sense.
The power system was separate. The computer system was not. How often did doctor transfer himself from Sickbay to Holodeck and back? He is a program, so the computers had to be connected to transfer him between the two places. Thus, the only effects this had were bad ones. Voyager had to carry a second (incompatible) power source and fuel for it. When there was a ship-wide emergency, the holodeck did not shut off, potentialy causing trouble. (S7E15 The Void)¨ Of course, it would have helped if they ever used holodecks for mess halls to save on regular fuel, as holodecks do include replicators. But they never did.
The impossible amount of storage space aboard ship and their endless splashing about in the time stream leads one to an inescapable conclusion: in between episodes, there was an unfilmed crossover with Doctor Who, and Voyager somehow managed to acquire a TARDIS.
At 5:50 ... I think you meant to say "Captain Proton". He's the one who saved the galaxy from the evil Chaotica. "Captain Planet" is a hero who wants to take pollution down to zero 😉
Voyager is one of the most beautiful designs for a (smaller) star ship, like a sports car with sleek lines. I think the Orville is very sporty in design as well. Very aerodynamic designs.
Why do people think StarShip being aerodynamic was important. There's no atmosphere cause drag efficiency problem. As could clearly see in design of Borg ships.
@@paulhunter6742 It could have something to do with the shape of the warp bubble, another way of being less damaging to normal space. Something I doubt the Borg would care about, though they used Transwarp Drives, so that may be why their shape doesn't matter.
@@paulhunter6742 I think I read that the Orville's design, at least, did directly have to do with someone in charge reading the Alcubierre warp drive paper and deciding to shape the ship like the graphs because they didn't actually know what the paper was saying. It's not a good reason, but it is *a* reason lol.
@@paulhunter6742 except in voyager there was. The ship was an atmosphec ship as well and could land. Also having a lower profile may make it harder to target. This is shown where the Dominion put a ship right at that large neck sticking out of the Odyssey.
I think Its one of the Best because of the Concept . Lost in the Delta Quadron try to find a way Home fight vs the Borg But the Actors where better in TNG
About the Borg Tech on the ship: the crew (with the help of 7) disabled the techs ability to replicate. And about the torpedoes: how did you count them? Because there are several episodes that actually don’t count. What I mean is any time that the crew is thrown into some kind of “time loop” like in the episodes “the year from hell”, none of that applies because time was reset and they never actually fired any of those torpedoes.
@@obi-wankenobi573 it would be like playing a game of chess, and before you get to the end, you cleared the board and put the pieces back to their original position. So none of the moves in the last game count because it was never finished. So when time was “turned back” or reset, the torpedoes that were fired in the episode, the event that made them fire the torpedoes and all, never took place. So the crew still have those torpedoes because they were never fired.
@@jasperyang2395 I Agree totally, not to mention 'The Alliance', any 'favour' resupplies they got (From people that owed Neelix a favour, Q's 10 year shotcut could have also [in subtext situ] provided them with a few more 'bonuses' after the episode ends [with there being days or weeks between some episodes], or even just passing trade [which we know they mined and proccessed things they didnt use just for trading value]) We also have the fact that things could be de-replicated and re-replicated at need, salavage operations on Borg vessels (which would have, even if borg infested, Alpha Quadrant Tech) that could be repurposed by 7 of 9. Its also mentioned that even after catastrophic destruction alot of core system rooms can be 'repaired' to full working condition in a matter of weeks, and some rooms are visibly fixed after any Temporal Excersion. Temporal Incersions are different, as they are the epicenter of the Temporal Field, as such are in the 'eye of the storm' and all actions are counted. (Same counts for all shuttle craft, we do know shuttles could tractor, and shuttle debris was either transported aboard, or towed back for repair or re/de-replicated) I think the whole 'limited resources' thing was a bit mis-understood. At the start of Voyager they have to plan for what could happen in the next 75+ years at a minimum, thats how to feed, clothe, and provide medical care for the whole crew. Neelix's expertise helps with food and the combination with the doctor helps with medicine, but weapons and the such are highly non-essential to the crews well-being (outside of a combat situation, in which case sheilding and phasers are not tied into repicator energy). Even at a low reserve of 10 torpedoes unless the ship had enough replicator power to trade, or produce components to otherwise supliment their torpedoes, for all intensive purposes they had no resuply, thus no way to know if, how or when they could or might get torpedoes. And in a case like that, you have 30 odd torpedoes. On a slight other note, Janeway is a generation past TOS Enterprise crew, and although ENT was made and released after VOY, Archer and Co. are alot more trigger happy, alot more fight. And TOS crew, mainly Scotty and Co. had a tendency to exagerate, they were in no 'real' danger while exploring ("if you need 12 hours laddie, tell them you need 16, then you look like a miracle worker"), Janeway and Co. new they were done. Strait done. They were the other side of the galaxy, in a strangers back yard. There was no exageration, no hopeful thinking, and she didnt want to be left out matched and out gunned. She was also being joined by Maquis, just as happy to start a war if it furthered their own goals. She had to make sure everyone knew from minute one, every resource is valuable, that they were to waste nothing. I loved VOY, my biggest wormhole of thought is where Noami Wildman was at most of the time, mainly when the ship was getting invaded, or some wierd phenomena where everyone gets lost, all this plot on her growing up, none on that time she got traumatised because the ship corridors were spaghetti and no one could find each other for hours? Atleast with Wesley you could see the effect of his time on board, her 'smart child' thing threw me a little, because she never actually showed any signs of affect from what had happened.
There are also incidents that were not an episode. There were many times they would mention an incident they were involved in that wasn't in an episode. So no way to count torpedos accurately.
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I'd assume the manifolds wouldn't have been routed for a second core and that it would interrupt the other core's field. Therefore and bviously... it's main purpose would have been a Lava Lamp to set the mood for the captain's harem area which, yes, would have been installed on Tuesday when Voyager returned to Deep Space Station K-7.
@@amphitrite3627 That's also how they explain that the Aero Shuttle was never used. The outline we see is just a place holder for where it would go but the shuttle wasn't actually there.
@@amphitrite3627 yeah this is what I heard years ago, if starfleet had kept them back a couple of days they couple of gone max warp swapping from the two warp cores
Two points: when you mentioned all the borg technology that was still left on Voyager after its Borg refit, you didn't mention that the astrometrics lab was constructed with Borg tech. Also, the second warp core was not functional, because they repurposed it into a dilithium refinery early in season one.
The Intrepid shuttle bay had two levels, the top-level having room for 4-6 craft, and a lower level with room for a dozen or so more. There was also a repair facility (seen during the Delta-Flyer's construction) where they had an industrial replicator at the rear of the top-level, allowing for the construction of entirely new shuttles or repair parts for damaged ones provided they could find the required raw materials. Trek fans are supposed to be one of the more intelligent fanbases, yet this seems to be a huge sticking point for most fans, when anyone with half a brain and an understanding of how in-universe trek tech works would go 'Oh, that makes sense'.
and they literally had one whole episode base around them building the delta flyer. Voyager by the end have been so heavily modified that she was nearly self sufficient.
I was under the impression that the subspace damage in “Force of Nature” was localised to the Hekaras sector. I can see how the Federation message could be interpreted to mean that all vessels everywhere would be restricted to Warp 5 or below, but because the message was talking about “susceptible regions” earlier in the same sentence, I interpreted it to mean that all Federation vessels that come to the region for “essential travel only” would be restricted to Warp 5. Federation vessels routinely go faster than Warp 5 after that episode, often in non-essential situations.
Everyone knows that Voyager had an industrial replicator that looked like a giant Pez dispenser in the shuttle bay to build new shuttle craft as needed.
@@christopherbelanger6612 well in the beginning they didn't have a way to manufacture their fuel. They eventually built the facilities to build them. I believe the crew actually secretly liked most of the stuff Nelix cooked so just kept him cooking. An having a central area to meet up was good for morale.
I always assumed the second warp core was in storage, not actually connected; the hatch being how they'd get it out of storage for reinstallation in Engineering. (Which then makes your commentary even better because they could have just hooked it up and problem solved.) I believe it was the TNG Tech Manual that explained that maximum warp on any vessel would not be sustainable for more than a few hours at a time, so definitely Voyager would be looking at far more than 75 years because of the rests they would have to take for the warp core to cool down (I think it's 6 hours at max warp, 12 hours recovery?). And ABSOLUTELY do a list of repurposed sets!
That also goes to the theory Voyager was not fully supplied when she first left to the badlands, hence the second warp core may not have actually been installed yet.
You are correct. It was not linked itself to the ships power in any way. It was meant to be ejected itself and then reinserted into the main warpcore location so it could link back to the rest of the power systems.
I always wondered... was Voyager smart enough to be sentient? And if the Voyager was sentient or sapient, does that mean Janeway willingly allowed it to be assimilated by the Borg? o_O Did Voyager hurt when she was assimilated?
TNG Had an episode where the Enterprise got sentient. I expected a similar thing from ep 1 when they talked about the gel packs, would have made a lot of sense. But I guess it's kind of a been there done that thing. Instead the gel packs just got sick. Ok.
Yes, the Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta quadrant setup is a human contrivance, not something that pre-existed before humans arrived. So they set Earth up the same way we did Geneva, as the central location from which the "zones" of the galaxy radiated. Geneva is time zone =0, Earth is the quadrant start location, smack between the Alpha and Beta quadrants.
0 is in Greenwich England rather than Geneva Switzerland. England also enjoys t convenience of not needing a nationality postal code due to how they started t international postal system. Similarly, USA needs no national interweb code due to how we started t interwebs.
That would be a great list! Gotta include Ten Forward being the UFP Presidents office in Undiscovered Country. It still has the windows with the TNG delta!
Voyager should have used the Aeroshuttle! It's such a shame they didn't. Should have showed it in mid season 4. Making it so that 7 of 9 or Tom Paris would discover it by accident somehow by browsing through the ships computer because no one on the ship was told about it! Then they find out that it was secretly placed there as a back-up mini ship.
I like the idea of Tom secretly going off over multiple seasons and building the aeroshuttle from a shell that was filling hole in voyager hull. Have the shell having the same hull strength of the real mccoy for structural integrity purposes. Just no shields, no sensors, no engines.
The reason why they'd stopped off all these Planets along the way back to Federation Space were various: Restocking the the ship's stores of supplies Diplomatic relations with the local species of the Delta Quadrant Maintenance of the ship's systems that required the ship to be immobile, etc.
Iirc the ship was supposed to have an endurance of 9 years before needing refueled, I have to assume that number comes from an understanding of the general operating conditions of a ship and an average speed. Meaning if they flew straight at a cruising speed non stop they would likely run out well before 9 years are up. I also have to assume that the often repeated legnth of their journey was calculated based on assumptions about repairs refueling and other incidental stops, not just the distance to be traveled by the ships top or cruising speed.
I live in a country (Australia) where you can drive 10 hours in one direction and still be in the middle of nowhere. How long have you driven in one direction before you want to stop and take a break? That is why they stopped off and explored different places... pee and no2 breaks, stop and wind down the windows and air it out after Neelix's Leeola root stew didn't agree with someone, picking up hitchhikers (like Seven) and just basic stopping to look at knick knacks (exploring). General restocking as mentioned (fuel stations)? Who wouldn't want to do any of that on a long long drive?
@@Bicketybam68 exactly, based on your own experience of living in Australia where, as you mentioned, you can drive 10 hours in a single direction and still out in the middle of nowhere, not stopping off for little R&R would make such a journey extremely tedious
It also kept the homicidal holodeck in check. Remember TNGs holodeck was homicidally inclined... often it wanted to kill its occupants and malfunctioned so as to try and cause it.
It was more like a catwalk that went around the upper portion of the warp core, but not a true working level with consoles and such. Voyager's upper level was a true upper floor since it had a larger floor around the warp core, two doorways into storage rooms or entrances near the back wall, and then there were 4 consoles around that rectangular catwalk area where neelix killed Michael Jonas by throwing him over the railing into a plasma fire! Odd place for a plasma conduit in the center of the Engineering floor, but it made for a cool death!
#4 - Replicators are a thing. They can make more casings, then it's just about antimatter. Same with shuttle parts, even the entire airframe. Engineering replicators are a known thing in Trek too.
The thing that frustrated me the most about Voyager was that every time the environment wasn't exactly perfect, the Warp Engines went offline. It happened in nearly every episode. It happened so much, I wondered why Janeway didn't roll her eyes when they told her that they had lost warp drive.
Well I do believe that they added that in for plot suspense frequently, it also makes sense realistically as well because they were always traveling at warp so their engines were taxed a lot more than a starship that’s just traveling around the Federation. So they would constantly have to be replacing plasma injectors so that a steady stream of energy went to the engines but also everything will be running all the time.
They did spend some time one episode explaining how they were going to reconfigure the ship and build in manufacturing facilities to manufacture fuel for the ship. An we know they built astro metrix. So it would make sense that one of their priorities would be to build facilities to manufacture weapons. An we know they did because they mange to manufacture special torpedos for Species 8479. An there was one episode where we saw the crew enter into negotiations to gain access to a species weapons technology.
The "special" torpedoes could have just been modified regular torpedoes. But, yes, maybe in the very beginning they would have been screwed if they were forced to use up their torpedoes but after some time they were able to build the tools to build the tools, etc., to start manufacturing things they weren't normally supposed to have to manufacture.
I think the reason why the Holodecks run on their own power ties into the TNG episode Booby Trap, where the enterprise is stuck in an ancient trap that siphons their power and converts it to radiation. Geordi recreates the Utopia Planitia ship yards during the time of the Enterprise's development to essentially rebuild the Enterprises power systems, and come up with a plan to escape the trap. When power got to low, the Holodecks were immediately discontinued. The designers of Voyager took that into account for Engineering purposes. Add to that it also provides an emergency back up for the EMH, in the event Sickbay is overwhelmed than emergency triage can be set up in the Holodeck, even if power is offline in other parts of the ship.
At 11:22 it must be really huge to appear as it does alongside Saturn and it's rings unless it is further away from the planet but it has a reflection against the rings in the shows opening credits.
colin Paterson its the reflection🤷🏼♀️ but it’s def not a small ship. Nova class is 8 decks...I think Defiant is 4...Sovereign is 25(?)...Galaxy💗42 luxurious decks... Voyager, 15 decks with officer quarters similarly sized to a Galaxy class.
One of the books addressed the second warp core - Voyager didn't have it. It was planned, and other Intrepid class ships did have it, but Voyager was the first one and they didn't want to risk 2 cores on the prototypes first flight. This became justified when Prometheus, which had 3 warp cores, was captured during its first flight
I'm pro Borg tech. If there was some way to have it installed without being connected to the collective I would do it. Ocular enhancements, regenerative systems, personal shields, put them in me.
"Voyager has a brain." Oh, wow, you got waayy off on a tangent due to autocorrect... It's "Brian!" There was a guy named Brian way deep down in Engineering who was the actual programming genius on the ship. He's actually the guy (uncredited) who guided Tuvok and the others through those miraculous solutions they came up with. Huzzah Brian! :D
A bit like the NCC 1701-D being powered by a hamster in a wheel. It's on an Engineering graphic shown on screen many, many times, so it has to be true.
We really enjoyed the show as it originally aired n UPN back in the day. What hurt the show was the decision not to stick with the original tone. We were supposed to get BSG not another "Starfleet is the Bestest ever" show.
I agree completely. The premise of Voyager seemed to demand long-term story arcs, but they didn't seem interested in doing that. The Year of Hell should have been shown over the course of a whole season. It should have had lasting consequences instead of being reversed by time travel.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 Yeah that was what I was hoping for when I watched it for the first time not too long ago. I'm actually rewatching DS9 now, such a better show. They should have done long term story arcs. The only one I can think of is Belanna getting married? Actually didn't she get married right at the end? DS9 story arcs were just awesome and why it's better than TNG for me (though I admit some DS9 episodes I really don't like).
@@bazzokzwattom2655 I'm not too fond of drawing certain story arcs out over an entire season, see Enterprise Season 3 and its Xindi stuff... Now that was a year of hell. It's fun to watch extended story arcs nowadays on Netflix where you can binge episodes and have control over the pacing of the story, but with traditional air schedules...
@@luckymouse1988 Personaly, I love the approach of Enterprise with the long storyarcs, lasting consequenzes and stuff. And besides, isnt that just how basicly all modern shows are? Just that Enterprise had a season long story arc, while today its most of the time.. well, a SHOWLONG story arc? I mean, today its realy one big continuing story. I like it that way, to be honest, but I wouldnt mind some... "breaks" inbetween. Like, almost all Star Trek shows had, at least from time to time, those lighthearted "fun" episodes. For example in DS9, the magnificent Ferengi. It had no impact on the overall show, but it was a fun, but still serious episode shoved in between the horrors of the dominion war
Regarding the Torpedoes... there was an episode where they were dealing with an Arms Dealer (S4E17 - Retrospect) It’s not a stretch to imagine that they’d have done this a couple of times. Or purchase the materials required. Then again, it is fiction so anything could have happened!
@@Annishark Rather than buying finished weapons, they could have been buying materials ( ores, explosives, etc ) to build and replicate startfleet torpedoes.
Hai does it matter which? They never specify exactly their origin and it’s an assumption on the viewer. As it is a work of fiction it’s not out with the realms of reason to assume they’re not. Or have been adapted, or indeed procured the resources to construct their own to whichever specification they require.
@@Andi4u well you see inactiv torpedos a view times (and not just the fired one which look just like a shining sphere). It is allways the same in a starfleet case with starfleet symbols and everything. So its just a plothole, which you can fill in your headcanon with whatever, but in the end it is a plothole.
Hai it’s fiction. It’s not so much a plot hole just because it isn’t explained. It would make for a dull scene to talk about these things. Just accept it and move on - don’t know why people get worked up over this tbh!
It makes sense to have a (smaller) spare warp core on a long range deep space frigate especially with two deflector dishes. The Intrepid class wasn't intentionally designed to get lost in the Delta quadrant.
Plus, as long as the holodecks are working, you literally have anything you could possibly need in order to run the ship (provided you don't need to take any of it off the holodeck)
The second warp core powered the deflector dish which was isolated from the rest of the ships systems. It was suggested in STNG and I believe in Voyager as well that the deflector dish was for navigation and communications but could be tweeked to be used as a weapon if needed. It wasn't possible to go to warp without the deflector dish fully operational.
Torpedo's, during one of the episodes they explained that they could bleed antimatter from the warp core to produce more.... as for the Shuttle's, during the delta flyer build episode it was explained that the standard type 7 shuttlecraft was designed to be replicatable using the industrial replicators.... As for the 2 warp cores, pretty sure the second one is the power source for the aero shuttle so doesnt have enough power to move the whole ship at warp.
The torpedoes could have easily been restocked somewhere along the way, even with modifications to fit Voyager, piss poor planning on the writers part. They could even have made a full episode out of it. Would have been much better than breaking the warp 10 barrier dumb episode.
Appreciated this - as a Trek Fan...of All the series / re-incarnations etc.....Voyager Remains my Favorite Ship....to me, because it's NOT too big, and NOT too small....its size is Realistic to the eye... IMO but, Thank you... :) Also, a Player of Startrek Online since BETA EDGELCLIFF@rextrek Admiral of the USS CLARE VOYENT
I'm slowly going through Voyager. In the first two seasons all I can think of is:"Oh, God...not another weird space cloud in their way or sending an away team to a planet just as a gigantic transporter and sensor-disrupting storm about to appear!"
The first 3 seasons were a bit like that (I was watching repeats on BBC2 in the UK around 1996/97 but that allowed me to see the first runs of the later seasons and I was hooked)...I can see why the changes allowed new stories to be developed beyond that - much more diverse set of enemies and plots from Season 4 onwards :)
The part your missing about the 3x torpedoes and extra shuttle craft is that they were clearly GROWN IN THE HYDROPONICS BAY. Why do you think it only had a few racks for edible plants?
Star Trek: Voyager. My all time favourite opening credits for a show. There are more ideas in those 30 seconds or so, than in an entire year of any TV soap opera. It looks gorgeous, especially the deflectors causing the nebulosity to fluouresce as the Voyager passes through it.
Time travel is inconsistent. It always changes in Star Trek. In the movie they sling shot around the sun, using warp and move through time. Then require a 29th century time ship
#7 should've been used in life support emergencies. Assemble in the holodeck, create a holographic bridge with holographic air, reroute ship control to the holographic bridge, use that to continue controlling the ship until the emergency has been solved
It might be extended universe stuff but Voyager appears in the MMO Star Trek Online, with Tuvok as the captain. You even go into the Delta Quadrant to see Neelix.
Pretty sure the star trek set reuse list would have to be a multipart series, given not only the times sets were reused across series, but also including times sets got reused within the same series across different episodes. I'd love to see videos on both of these lists.
Wouldn’t you think that the reason why the holodecks being on a separate power source is for the same reason why it’s EMH might also be. The advantages of keeping a working medical bay is obvious. Paired with the need to use holodecks as triage, it’s a no brainer.
Having a generator that only worked for your living room, another set that only worked for your kitchen, etc., etc. is dumb. Same goes for the Voyager.
David Knowles and your point? The Intrepid Class didn’t have a holographic doctor, holographic medical systems and holographic tools. After the Voyager crew lost the only med staff they had, it was a darn good thing they had “redundancies” for the rest of their voyage.
From my understanding the secondary warp core was the equivalent of a spare tire. It was not linked itself to the ships power in any way. It was meant to be ejected itself and then reinserted into the main warpcore location so it could link back to the rest of the power systems.
Ya gotta do a Repurposed Sets List for all the major and minor reused sets. There are soooooo many! Like the Motion picture Enterprise brodge was repurposed as a court room, Enterprise-D battle bridge, Enterprise-C bridge, etc. They literally made sets that went boldly where no other set has gone before.
Can't they just transport a photo torpedo and use its pattern to construct more? In theory anything they have a pattern for can be replicated so the only limitation is energy.
OK...so far as topics 3 and 4 go, there are these things called "replicators." No...not the evil little bots from Stargate...but the nifty little things that could instantly make, "Tea. Earl Grey. Hot." They could also make components and materials to fix and build things. Sure...they were down a lot, but the show wasn't a day by day recounting of the experiences in the Delta Quadrant. It was just the highlights...supposedly. There was plenty of down time and boring day to day time where things could be fixed, maintained, and even rebuilt. Not to even mention trade with technically advanced worlds or other space-faring beings. And for item 2...you claim to have watched Voyager, but you seem to forget the times when Voyager got propelled light years across Borg space by the evolved Kes as well as things like slipstreams and experiments with trans-warp tech. I agree...if the ship's engines had been pushed to work at maximum warp for years or even months, they would have been completely ragged out, but there were episodes where Voyager was literally "thrown" immense distances drastically cutting many years off their journey. And back to the replicators...they could have made new parts to fix other parts that may have worn out. Let's face it. It's science FICTION. As much as we might like to believe in all this horse dung, it's fantasy. Enjoy the show and stop trying to denigrate the things we just don't know will or will not happen. Have fun.
Next time you're watching a transporter scene in any TNG episode, check out the ceiling above the show's stars. You'll notice this is actually the floor from the Original Series, which was flipped to borrow from the old series while still updating the transporter for modern viewers.
I never noticed that. For anyone who wants to see where the transporter effect came from, check out the 1950's sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet". Although used for a different reason, visually, they use the exact same effect, and it's where Star Trek's FX guys got the idea for the visual effect. And it has the coolest flying saucer in the history of EVER!
Regarding the photon torpedoes and shuttlecraft supplies, when a writer or writers refuse to observe the limits that are already built into the series’ “bible,” they really cheat themselves out of inspiring stories. Limitations are what create so much good conflict.
Agreed - there are so many ways they could have used "OMG, there's a stock of much-needed Starfleet torpedoes but we can't get them unless we do X..." as the basis of a story. Voyager's writers didn't take proper advantage of the resource pressure OR the Marquis crew for dramatic tension.
@@3rdalbum because they weren't really that dramatic, Marquis were mostly former starfleet officers just piss about the treaty the politicans signed with the cardassians. There was no natural hatred between starfleet officers and Marquis, most of starfleet didn't like the treaty either they just didn't rebel. So why would there be amongst the crew. That plotline make no sense. An thus was rightly forgotten.
#7 Obviously Star Fleet reviewed the mission logs of the Enterprise D and realized having a Holodeck character take control of an entire ship was stupid, so independant power supply and cut off from access to the rest of the ship was a smart thing to do.
NOBODY hooked up except Tom and B’elanna which was odd. They never even insinuated that anyone was even having sex - lol. It seems unrealistic but why even go there if you know what I mean.
The holodecks were separate from the main systems because they were used to troubleshoot the main systems in case of failure or other issues as well as testing new system modifications.
Without even looking it up, "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". Do you even Latin, bro ? 😜 Also, the obviously simple translation seems quite apropos in these times, especially in the States . . .
Though speaking of First Contact, I loved that The Defiant was in the opening battle. An Anti-Borg ship that was never shown fighting the Borg throughout all of DS9, then finally appears in a movie to fight the Borg and gets its ass kicked.
I watched STV from start to finish, and even now two questions remain: How many shuttles did they have? And how big is the shuttlebay? They lost at least 10 shuttles over the course of the show, and of course held the delta flyer, Neelix’s ship, and occasionally an alien visitor. Voyager isn’t a huge ship, but they sure seemed to have a lot of shuttle space.
TRIVIA: The Belerophon was the name of the ship that was lost in the movie Forbidden Planet...the film that inspired Gene Roddenberry to create Star Trek.
Forbidden planet! THE BEST! I love that movie and considering it was the the first big budget sci-fi film, it continues to be relavent. I enjoy all things trek, was TOS watcher in high school. Lold at thought of Tuvoc going nutzo trying to figure out Qs gifts of weapons.
@@jacksonheathen2092 that's why I'm hoping for a list, to expand on the known aspects that you mentioned and see what the viewers never realised about the federation's only warship
how is the holodecks having independent power a plot hole? wasnt it mentioned in one episode of TNG, and back and forth on Voyager that the holodecks can run emergency defense or medical programs in the rooms to help treat mass casualty when sickbay was full? and the last one... upgrades. you start with a plan, and upgrade it constantly till its better. considering that Voyager is a like 5 or 10 year younger vessel. its makes sense.
Exactly. I just assumed the design engineers for the Intrepid-class actually LEARNED from the dozen or so "malfunctions" that happened on The 1701-D Enterprise. So in order to cut down on potential ship-wide disasters, they made the holodeck completely independent form the ship. Perhaps they even made it so they could jettison the damn think into space if shit got too out of hand.. as happened on TNG .. a LOT. Not a big deal to me. Not EVERYTHING has to be explained to audiences like they're all 5 years old. Sometimes, you can use information you already have to come to a good conclusion on questions without being answered directly.
Ive known about the second warp core for years, (decades) but I dont know if you or I have it backwards, as I was in the understanding the core behind the shuttle bay was the backup core and the one behind the deflector dish was the engine room main core? The one real pet peeve I had with voyager was the whole energy rationing sub plot... The materials they would have needed to generate anti matter and deuterium are out there... Very common in fact. So common in fact there are literally thousands and thousands of starships in the alpha quadrant going about with out a care int he world (universe)... It would make sense that they would convert a section of the ship for anti matter conversion (if need be) and every time they pass a nebular they gorge themselves on energy, replicate everything they need fill up the stocks and then top up on the energy for the rest of the trip... But really they woudlnt even need to do that as they would pass a nebular or star cluster every other week or so that they could stock up on.... Anyway its silly me getting upset over a simple plot point about a fictional ship from a fictional universe that the whole base of science and physics is to serve plot.......................................... I just cant let it go D:
It astonishes me that they never thought of fitting a big manual circuit breaker on the holodeck energy system. Would come in very handy whenever the holodeck decides to have a mind of its own. Seatbelts and helmets in the shuttles would be a good addition as wel.
The only thing I love more than that sly cut in of the dolphins is the fact that it isn't explained, they just know you know because you're a Star Trek fan 😆
The engineering set and the corridors were originally built on Stage 9 for Star Trek The Motion Picture. They were redressed and adapted time and again for each subsequent production that used them, meaning that those sets carry a sort of lineage that travels through the various eras.
I always thought that if they could build the Delta flyer, they could do the same for all those shuttles and photon torpedos with a little help from replicators.
I don't think that they really need to come up with an "environmentally friendly" way for Voyager to go to high warp. They're in a unique situation and just one ship. I don't think that Starfleet would have been upset if they broke the warp speed limit, not that a single ship on a one way trip do any damage. Remember that warp drive was in use for centuries before anyone even noticed it was causing a problem.
Tory Fox I know, but my point is that one vehicle making one trip won’t make a difference to the problem, so they didn’t need to come up with a special reason why Voyager’s warp engines are safer to justify them travelling at high warp.
i've decided that Q kept on randomly restocking Voyager with shuttles and torpedoes. It drove Tuvok crazy.
It's a Hannukah miracle!
And Janeway keep telling him "don't ask, just, just, don't ask..."... 🤣
well you can replicate things and you make your own antimatter, its not rocket science. i mean if you can build a delta flier you can build a torpedo.
@@LordOfNihil they clearly says there is no way that they could make more... so no they cant (and dont ask why they could build 2 ships with photon rockets but no photon torpedos)
@@Annishark poor writing out the gate i think, and granted its nothing new to trek (season one tng wtf). in this case they wrote themselves into a corner and tried to forget about it later. my first time seeing the pilot and having it relieved that they are short on torps i was like "well this is going to be a boring show". thing about scifi is that which can be technobabbled away can be handwaved back. having starfleet send them plans for a 'quantum resolution industrial replicator' could have solved this problem. i guess theres a reason voyager was my least favorite trek.
In re: restocking torpedoes... Season 4 Episode 17 "Retrospect" revolves around Voyager purchasing TONS of weapons, both handheld, like rifles, and ship bound, like cannons. There is no reason to think that this is the first or only time they've ever bought arms.
Plus torpedoes are easy to replicate, minus the explosive device and that's just a bit of labor from a skilled technician, star trek level children could fabricate a photon torpedo given time and a schematic or two
@@toryfox4580 I presume photon torpedos would be made of components that can't be replicated like Latinum. But more difficult to get hold off than antimatter. This would be the 24th century version of arms control. If torpedos could be easily replicated then a terrorist could get hold of them and start blowing up cities.
@@DavidKnowles0 and essentially they could, and I'm sure the explosive component would be complicated but still available somewhere, or through some form of refinement or chemistry or metallurgy, I'm just saying idk (yet) what a photon torpedo uses for its explosive but as with any torpedo its mechanical components should be fairly easy to replicate, time consuming but plausible
AND THEY MET OTHER FEDERATION AND KLINGON SHIPS.
@@DavidKnowles0
Why do that when it would be simpler to just crash into the city blow up the engines of a small starship?
When they found ways to replenish the warp drive they could use the replicator to build whatever they deemed important. Voyager did more of what the mission was described as being in the the original series than any other. Their exposure to new tech especially from Borg interaction was key as well as the Holodeck sophistication should have meant a new series. The sad part was the fact that Kate did not like Jeri, even though it seemed a paternal bond on the show. Kes was a favorite and evolved rather than died and the episode where she returns to the ship is epic.
i always wondered why they did not set a course for the Gamma sector used the wormhole and got back to DS9 a lot FASTER then going straight to Earth?
I loved voyager, but HATED the finale! What made them a family was the years they spent together. Yes that still had 7 years, but that’s a lot different than 25+ years. The Paris daughter didn’t grow up on the ship, and as witnessed in Picard, life didn’t go so well for 7of9 or Echeb.
they did address them making more torpedoes, Harry and tuvok were making one during omega
Interesting... I had been under the impression that the warp nacelles were designed that way (up for warp travel, down for impulse) for aerodynamic purposes, as Voyager was the first starship in Star Trek history that was designed to enter an atmosphere, and land on a planet...
Replicator technology would make restocking on torpedoes and building different types of shuttles from scratch a non-issue.
I actually assumed the "separate power supply for the holodeck" was for the doctor....ie, if everything shuts off, you want your dang backup doctor to work!
don't get me started on the doctor. like the fact that they actually had 2 but never used both. despite the fact that they had no remaining medical staff. hell why didn't they just copy+past the guy. remember that episode where the doctor got insane because he had to make the decision of saving one crew member and letting the other die. could have saved both. or the times he got stolen or was otherwise not available they had a backup. and with the holodecks being independent wouldn't that mean they could use them as emergency facilities like shelter or med bays.
@@ADMNtek the backup? Wasnt that just a basic holographic matrix? Or are you referring to the diagnostic system?
As for using them as triage centres, yeah they could have for large issues.
Also, i seem to remember them trying to build a new doctor....that promptly broke
@@ADMNtek The Doctor, (Software) had been stolen...
...Wait, I got a backup here from last Monday...
@@Sventastic_78 my only beef is that the "doctor" in his annoyingly written script stole every episode he was in. entirely tooooo much "doctor"
@@shtcare he was my favorite character so I ate that shit up if he wasn't someone you like I could see him being annoying
Honestly the holodecks having their own independent powersources actually makes perfect sense when you consider that they can easily function as any other room on the ship, including the bridge, and could probably function as life support systems.
Or because something always goes super crazy with the holodecks, and having a plug you can pull to kill them is a good idea.
Exactly. Plus if the rest of the ship is experiencing a crisis, the holodeck could still be used to run simulations of possible solutions.
"Computer, create the bridge. Route main controls to the simulated control inputs."
Considering how often holodeck characters were able to take over or effect the Ent-D (think Moriarty, super Barclay, that weird lifeform train thing, Data), completely separating the holodecks from every other system makes total sense.
Yeah, the number of times the Holodeck programs almost killed everyone, it's not surprising they used the oldest firewall in existence.
IIRC the train to "New Vertiform City" on the holodeck wasn't the cause of the problem in that episode, but a manifestation/symptom of it.
The power system was separate. The computer system was not. How often did doctor transfer himself from Sickbay to Holodeck and back?
He is a program, so the computers had to be connected to transfer him between the two places.
Thus, the only effects this had were bad ones.
Voyager had to carry a second (incompatible) power source and fuel for it.
When there was a ship-wide emergency, the holodeck did not shut off, potentialy causing trouble. (S7E15 The Void)¨
Of course, it would have helped if they ever used holodecks for mess halls to save on regular fuel, as holodecks do include replicators. But they never did.
that would make sense to separate the computer not the power supply. they actually did the opposite. computers were connected.
Hey what happened to Moriarty? When the D crashed I bet they lost a boat load of data. (See what I did there?)
Yes, I want to see the "Star Trek sets as other Star Trek sets" list please.
Seconded!
Yes! Please!!!!
Same here
Make it so!!
Me too.
The second warp core was for Janeway's coffee
She stored that one nebula in it
I’m pretty sure they also had Neelix’s ship in storage too.
Your right they did keep it in storage he left voyager with it near the end of the show and never got to see it being in storage
They also used it to get Paris and Kim out of space prison
The impossible amount of storage space aboard ship and their endless splashing about in the time stream leads one to an inescapable conclusion: in between episodes, there was an unfilmed crossover with Doctor Who, and Voyager somehow managed to acquire a TARDIS.
@@willmfrankwhat if they just stored everything in the transporter buffer... essentially it would be like Hermione's handbag...
Of you watched it you would k ow they had it in storage
At 5:50 ... I think you meant to say "Captain Proton". He's the one who saved the galaxy from the evil Chaotica. "Captain Planet" is a hero who wants to take pollution down to zero 😉
Tom would be so upset
And turn all humans into trees hehe
Voyager is one of the most beautiful designs for a (smaller) star ship, like a sports car with sleek lines. I think the Orville is very sporty in design as well. Very aerodynamic designs.
Why do people think StarShip being aerodynamic was important. There's no atmosphere cause drag efficiency problem. As could clearly see in design of Borg ships.
@@paulhunter6742 It could have something to do with the shape of the warp bubble, another way of being less damaging to normal space. Something I doubt the Borg would care about, though they used Transwarp Drives, so that may be why their shape doesn't matter.
@@paulhunter6742 I think I read that the Orville's design, at least, did directly have to do with someone in charge reading the Alcubierre warp drive paper and deciding to shape the ship like the graphs because they didn't actually know what the paper was saying. It's not a good reason, but it is *a* reason lol.
@@paulhunter6742 except in voyager there was. The ship was an atmosphec ship as well and could land. Also having a lower profile may make it harder to target. This is shown where the Dominion put a ship right at that large neck sticking out of the Odyssey.
Voyager was my favorite Star Trek series.
Why?
I think Its one of the Best because of the Concept . Lost in the Delta Quadron
try to find a way Home fight vs the Borg
But the Actors where better in TNG
Me too, it’s such a good concept, and has wonderful characters!
Same.
I can't decide between it or deep space nine love the characters on both
About the Borg Tech on the ship: the crew (with the help of 7) disabled the techs ability to replicate. And about the torpedoes: how did you count them? Because there are several episodes that actually don’t count. What I mean is any time that the crew is thrown into some kind of “time loop” like in the episodes “the year from hell”, none of that applies because time was reset and they never actually fired any of those torpedoes.
Even when their time got resetted, they still fired those weapons...your logic does not apply here...
@@obi-wankenobi573 it would be like playing a game of chess, and before you get to the end, you cleared the board and put the pieces back to their original position. So none of the moves in the last game count because it was never finished. So when time was “turned back” or reset, the torpedoes that were fired in the episode, the event that made them fire the torpedoes and all, never took place. So the crew still have those torpedoes because they were never fired.
@@jasperyang2395 I Agree totally, not to mention 'The Alliance', any 'favour' resupplies they got (From people that owed Neelix a favour, Q's 10 year shotcut could have also [in subtext situ] provided them with a few more 'bonuses' after the episode ends [with there being days or weeks between some episodes], or even just passing trade [which we know they mined and proccessed things they didnt use just for trading value]) We also have the fact that things could be de-replicated and re-replicated at need, salavage operations on Borg vessels (which would have, even if borg infested, Alpha Quadrant Tech) that could be repurposed by 7 of 9. Its also mentioned that even after catastrophic destruction alot of core system rooms can be 'repaired' to full working condition in a matter of weeks, and some rooms are visibly fixed after any Temporal Excersion. Temporal Incersions are different, as they are the epicenter of the Temporal Field, as such are in the 'eye of the storm' and all actions are counted. (Same counts for all shuttle craft, we do know shuttles could tractor, and shuttle debris was either transported aboard, or towed back for repair or re/de-replicated)
I think the whole 'limited resources' thing was a bit mis-understood. At the start of Voyager they have to plan for what could happen in the next 75+ years at a minimum, thats how to feed, clothe, and provide medical care for the whole crew. Neelix's expertise helps with food and the combination with the doctor helps with medicine, but weapons and the such are highly non-essential to the crews well-being (outside of a combat situation, in which case sheilding and phasers are not tied into repicator energy). Even at a low reserve of 10 torpedoes unless the ship had enough replicator power to trade, or produce components to otherwise supliment their torpedoes, for all intensive purposes they had no resuply, thus no way to know if, how or when they could or might get torpedoes. And in a case like that, you have 30 odd torpedoes.
On a slight other note, Janeway is a generation past TOS Enterprise crew, and although ENT was made and released after VOY, Archer and Co. are alot more trigger happy, alot more fight. And TOS crew, mainly Scotty and Co. had a tendency to exagerate, they were in no 'real' danger while exploring ("if you need 12 hours laddie, tell them you need 16, then you look like a miracle worker"), Janeway and Co. new they were done. Strait done. They were the other side of the galaxy, in a strangers back yard. There was no exageration, no hopeful thinking, and she didnt want to be left out matched and out gunned. She was also being joined by Maquis, just as happy to start a war if it furthered their own goals. She had to make sure everyone knew from minute one, every resource is valuable, that they were to waste nothing.
I loved VOY, my biggest wormhole of thought is where Noami Wildman was at most of the time, mainly when the ship was getting invaded, or some wierd phenomena where everyone gets lost, all this plot on her growing up, none on that time she got traumatised because the ship corridors were spaghetti and no one could find each other for hours? Atleast with Wesley you could see the effect of his time on board, her 'smart child' thing threw me a little, because she never actually showed any signs of affect from what had happened.
There are also incidents that were not an episode. There were many times they would mention an incident they were involved in that wasn't in an episode. So no way to count torpedos accurately.
Can't wait..
I love Voyager as a show..
It was so different..
It wasn't always the best but it was the most jaw dropping..
Love you TrekCulture..
Live long and prosper.
It also had, IMHO, the best theme song. :)
@@StarryStarryNocturne amen to that...
I ship Paris x b'elanna
I suppose the second warp core is what powered the holodecks.
It would have been installed on Tuesday
Jimminy Crimminy love this! Well done!
I'd assume the manifolds wouldn't have been routed for a second core and that it would interrupt the other core's field. Therefore and bviously... it's main purpose would have been a Lava Lamp to set the mood for the captain's harem area which, yes, would have been installed on Tuesday when Voyager returned to Deep Space Station K-7.
@@amphitrite3627 That's also how they explain that the Aero Shuttle was never used. The outline we see is just a place holder for where it would go but the shuttle wasn't actually there.
@@amphitrite3627 yeah this is what I heard years ago, if starfleet had kept them back a couple of days they couple of gone max warp swapping from the two warp cores
Two points: when you mentioned all the borg technology that was still left on Voyager after its Borg refit, you didn't mention that the astrometrics lab was constructed with Borg tech.
Also, the second warp core was not functional, because they repurposed it into a dilithium refinery early in season one.
Is that where they made more photon torpedoes too?
Don't forget when 'One' boosted voyagers's shields and weapons systems with his super borg abilities.
The Intrepid shuttle bay had two levels, the top-level having room for 4-6 craft, and a lower level with room for a dozen or so more. There was also a repair facility (seen during the Delta-Flyer's construction) where they had an industrial replicator at the rear of the top-level, allowing for the construction of entirely new shuttles or repair parts for damaged ones provided they could find the required raw materials.
Trek fans are supposed to be one of the more intelligent fanbases, yet this seems to be a huge sticking point for most fans, when anyone with half a brain and an understanding of how in-universe trek tech works would go 'Oh, that makes sense'.
and they literally had one whole episode base around them building the delta flyer. Voyager by the end have been so heavily modified that she was nearly self sufficient.
Pfff...you expect Trek Fans to bother looking at MSDs or other official,preferably even on screen material
I was under the impression that the subspace damage in “Force of Nature” was localised to the Hekaras sector. I can see how the Federation message could be interpreted to mean that all vessels everywhere would be restricted to Warp 5 or below, but because the message was talking about “susceptible regions” earlier in the same sentence, I interpreted it to mean that all Federation vessels that come to the region for “essential travel only” would be restricted to Warp 5. Federation vessels routinely go faster than Warp 5 after that episode, often in non-essential situations.
TNG references it multiple times that the warp limit is rescinded
Thanks for giving some attention to Voyager which is underrated and I love (mostly lol)
Its not remotely underated
Everyone knows that Voyager had an industrial replicator that looked like a giant Pez dispenser in the shuttle bay to build new shuttle craft as needed.
They always seemed so concerned about replicator rations... to the point of making Neelix cook.
@@alextirrellRI well yes. Can't have the crew using it too much for food when you need the energy to replace a 6th shuttle that week.
Well I didn’t know that and I have seen them multiple times and always wondered
I always assumed organic matter was harder to replicate than inorganic. That's why Neelix had to cook, but they could replicate components.
@@christopherbelanger6612 well in the beginning they didn't have a way to manufacture their fuel. They eventually built the facilities to build them.
I believe the crew actually secretly liked most of the stuff Nelix cooked so just kept him cooking. An having a central area to meet up was good for morale.
I always assumed the second warp core was in storage, not actually connected; the hatch being how they'd get it out of storage for reinstallation in Engineering. (Which then makes your commentary even better because they could have just hooked it up and problem solved.)
I believe it was the TNG Tech Manual that explained that maximum warp on any vessel would not be sustainable for more than a few hours at a time, so definitely Voyager would be looking at far more than 75 years because of the rests they would have to take for the warp core to cool down (I think it's 6 hours at max warp, 12 hours recovery?).
And ABSOLUTELY do a list of repurposed sets!
That also goes to the theory Voyager was not fully supplied when she first left to the badlands, hence the second warp core may not have actually been installed yet.
You are correct. It was not linked itself to the ships power in any way. It was meant to be ejected itself and then reinserted into the main warpcore location so it could link back to the rest of the power systems.
I always wondered... was Voyager smart enough to be sentient? And if the Voyager was sentient or sapient, does that mean Janeway willingly allowed it to be assimilated by the Borg? o_O
Did Voyager hurt when she was assimilated?
Is the ship a she or a he? Or does it identify as a member of a species with more than two genders? Or no genders?
TNG Had an episode where the Enterprise got sentient. I expected a similar thing from ep 1 when they talked about the gel packs, would have made a lot of sense. But I guess it's kind of a been there done that thing. Instead the gel packs just got sick. Ok.
It explain why the borg tried to assimilate the ship.
Funfact:
The earth is actually in the Beta Quadrant directly in the Border to the Alpha Quadrant.
Ds9 is in the Alpha Quadrant.
Yes, the Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta quadrant setup is a human contrivance, not something that pre-existed before humans arrived. So they set Earth up the same way we did Geneva, as the central location from which the "zones" of the galaxy radiated. Geneva is time zone =0, Earth is the quadrant start location, smack between the Alpha and Beta quadrants.
@@jasonwalker9471 timezone 0 is on the Zero Meridian and this is in England
0 is in Greenwich England rather than Geneva Switzerland.
England also enjoys t convenience of not needing a nationality postal code due to how they started t international postal system.
Similarly, USA needs no national interweb code due to how we started t interwebs.
Most of t Federation is in t Alpha quadrant tho, besides t Klingon part.
Yes! Do the Star Trek redress list! Don't limit it to just ten though.
You could probably do it as “Ten times this particular piece of set was redressed”
That would be a great list! Gotta include Ten Forward being the UFP Presidents office in Undiscovered Country. It still has the windows with the TNG delta!
Voyager should have used the Aeroshuttle! It's such a shame they didn't.
Should have showed it in mid season 4. Making it so that 7 of 9 or Tom Paris would discover it by accident somehow by browsing through the ships computer because no one on the ship was told about it! Then they find out that it was secretly placed there as a back-up mini ship.
I like the idea of Tom secretly going off over multiple seasons and building the aeroshuttle from a shell that was filling hole in voyager hull. Have the shell having the same hull strength of the real mccoy for structural integrity purposes. Just no shields, no sensors, no engines.
The reason why they'd stopped off all these Planets along the way back to Federation Space were various:
Restocking the the ship's stores of supplies
Diplomatic relations with the local species of the Delta Quadrant
Maintenance of the ship's systems that required the ship to be immobile, etc.
You forgot "indulging sheer scientific curiosity" and "Q got horny"
Iirc the ship was supposed to have an endurance of 9 years before needing refueled, I have to assume that number comes from an understanding of the general operating conditions of a ship and an average speed. Meaning if they flew straight at a cruising speed non stop they would likely run out well before 9 years are up.
I also have to assume that the often repeated legnth of their journey was calculated based on assumptions about repairs refueling and other incidental stops, not just the distance to be traveled by the ships top or cruising speed.
@@DrewLSsix then there's also restocking materials for building new photon torpedoes and food stores to save the replicator rations
I live in a country (Australia) where you can drive 10 hours in one direction and still be in the middle of nowhere. How long have you driven in one direction before you want to stop and take a break? That is why they stopped off and explored different places... pee and no2 breaks, stop and wind down the windows and air it out after Neelix's Leeola root stew didn't agree with someone, picking up hitchhikers (like Seven) and just basic stopping to look at knick knacks (exploring). General restocking as mentioned (fuel stations)? Who wouldn't want to do any of that on a long long drive?
@@Bicketybam68 exactly, based on your own experience of living in Australia where, as you mentioned, you can drive 10 hours in a single direction and still out in the middle of nowhere, not stopping off for little R&R would make such a journey extremely tedious
"Or make-out with cows in Fairhaven!... which happened..."
😂😂lol I remember was super awkward
It also kept the homicidal holodeck in check. Remember TNGs holodeck was homicidally inclined... often it wanted to kill its occupants and malfunctioned so as to try and cause it.
Loved the series. My whole family watched it through all 7 seasons as we were sad TNG went off air. DS9 was good too.
Enterprise D had a second floor in engineering you can see Geordi and several other crew members several times looking down or come down from it
True, and you saw the lift that operated between the two levels a couple times.
It was more like a catwalk that went around the upper portion of the warp core, but not a true working level with consoles and such.
Voyager's upper level was a true upper floor since it had a larger floor around the warp core, two doorways into storage rooms or entrances near the back wall, and then there were 4 consoles around that rectangular catwalk area where neelix killed Michael Jonas by throwing him over the railing into a plasma fire! Odd place for a plasma conduit in the center of the Engineering floor, but it made for a cool death!
@@JakTheWuffle Nerd.
Billy Begood I re-created parts of the intrepid class in second life so yeah I’m probably a pretty big damn nerd lol
Enterprise D's Main Engineering always had a 2nd level. It's even used in a few episodes. Oh and Earth is in the Beta Quadrant. Just my nitpicks.
#4 - Replicators are a thing. They can make more casings, then it's just about antimatter. Same with shuttle parts, even the entire airframe. Engineering replicators are a known thing in Trek too.
The thing that frustrated me the most about Voyager was that every time the environment wasn't exactly perfect, the Warp Engines went offline. It happened in nearly every episode. It happened so much, I wondered why Janeway didn't roll her eyes when they told her that they had lost warp drive.
I would swear she did that, more than once with that pissed off, "get out and push" face every redheaded woman gets when her car dies at the light
Well I do believe that they added that in for plot suspense frequently, it also makes sense realistically as well because they were always traveling at warp so their engines were taxed a lot more than a starship that’s just traveling around the Federation. So they would constantly have to be replacing plasma injectors so that a steady stream of energy went to the engines but also everything will be running all the time.
They did spend some time one episode explaining how they were going to reconfigure the ship and build in manufacturing facilities to manufacture fuel for the ship.
An we know they built astro metrix. So it would make sense that one of their priorities would be to build facilities to manufacture weapons. An we know they did because they mange to manufacture special torpedos for Species 8479.
An there was one episode where we saw the crew enter into negotiations to gain access to a species weapons technology.
The "special" torpedoes could have just been modified regular torpedoes. But, yes, maybe in the very beginning they would have been screwed if they were forced to use up their torpedoes but after some time they were able to build the tools to build the tools, etc., to start manufacturing things they weren't normally supposed to have to manufacture.
I think the reason why the Holodecks run on their own power ties into the TNG episode Booby Trap, where the enterprise is stuck in an ancient trap that siphons their power and converts it to radiation. Geordi recreates the Utopia Planitia ship yards during the time of the Enterprise's development to essentially rebuild the Enterprises power systems, and come up with a plan to escape the trap. When power got to low, the Holodecks were immediately discontinued.
The designers of Voyager took that into account for Engineering purposes. Add to that it also provides an emergency back up for the EMH, in the event Sickbay is overwhelmed than emergency triage can be set up in the Holodeck, even if power is offline in other parts of the ship.
“...not a big ship...” -it’s bigger than the earlier Enterprises and waaaay bigger than Defiant.
At 11:22 it must be really huge to appear as it does alongside Saturn and it's rings unless it is further away from the planet but it has a reflection against the rings in the shows opening credits.
“Tough little ship”... “Little?”
Officer Heppy 😂
colin Paterson its the reflection🤷🏼♀️ but it’s def not a small ship. Nova class is 8 decks...I think Defiant is 4...Sovereign is 25(?)...Galaxy💗42 luxurious decks... Voyager, 15 decks with officer quarters similarly sized to a Galaxy class.
@@deniseherud But compared to the second largest planet in the Solar System? At that size it would be bigger than the Earth.
One of the books addressed the second warp core - Voyager didn't have it. It was planned, and other Intrepid class ships did have it, but Voyager was the first one and they didn't want to risk 2 cores on the prototypes first flight. This became justified when Prometheus, which had 3 warp cores, was captured during its first flight
I'm pro Borg tech. If there was some way to have it installed without being connected to the collective I would do it. Ocular enhancements, regenerative systems, personal shields, put them in me.
"Voyager has a brain." Oh, wow, you got waayy off on a tangent due to autocorrect...
It's "Brian!" There was a guy named Brian way deep down in Engineering who was the actual programming genius on the ship. He's actually the guy (uncredited) who guided Tuvok and the others through those miraculous solutions they came up with. Huzzah Brian! :D
A bit like the NCC 1701-D being powered by a hamster in a wheel. It's on an Engineering graphic shown on screen many, many times, so it has to be true.
We really enjoyed the show as it originally aired n UPN back in the day. What hurt the show was the decision not to stick with the original tone. We were supposed to get BSG not another "Starfleet is the Bestest ever" show.
I agree completely. The premise of Voyager seemed to demand long-term story arcs, but they didn't seem interested in doing that. The Year of Hell should have been shown over the course of a whole season. It should have had lasting consequences instead of being reversed by time travel.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 Yeah that was what I was hoping for when I watched it for the first time not too long ago. I'm actually rewatching DS9 now, such a better show. They should have done long term story arcs. The only one I can think of is Belanna getting married? Actually didn't she get married right at the end? DS9 story arcs were just awesome and why it's better than TNG for me (though I admit some DS9 episodes I really don't like).
@@bazzokzwattom2655 I'm not too fond of drawing certain story arcs out over an entire season, see Enterprise Season 3 and its Xindi stuff... Now that was a year of hell.
It's fun to watch extended story arcs nowadays on Netflix where you can binge episodes and have control over the pacing of the story, but with traditional air schedules...
@@luckymouse1988 Personaly, I love the approach of Enterprise with the long storyarcs, lasting consequenzes and stuff. And besides, isnt that just how basicly all modern shows are? Just that Enterprise had a season long story arc, while today its most of the time.. well, a SHOWLONG story arc? I mean, today its realy one big continuing story. I like it that way, to be honest, but I wouldnt mind some... "breaks" inbetween. Like, almost all Star Trek shows had, at least from time to time, those lighthearted "fun" episodes. For example in DS9, the magnificent Ferengi. It had no impact on the overall show, but it was a fun, but still serious episode shoved in between the horrors of the dominion war
Regarding the Torpedoes... there was an episode where they were dealing with an Arms Dealer (S4E17 - Retrospect) It’s not a stretch to imagine that they’d have done this a couple of times. Or purchase the materials required. Then again, it is fiction so anything could have happened!
then they would have alien torpedos and not classic starfleet torpedos...
@@Annishark Rather than buying finished weapons, they could have been buying materials ( ores, explosives, etc ) to build and replicate startfleet torpedoes.
Hai does it matter which? They never specify exactly their origin and it’s an assumption on the viewer. As it is a work of fiction it’s not out with the realms of reason to assume they’re not. Or have been adapted, or indeed procured the resources to construct their own to whichever specification they require.
@@Andi4u well you see inactiv torpedos a view times (and not just the fired one which look just like a shining sphere). It is allways the same in a starfleet case with starfleet symbols and everything. So its just a plothole, which you can fill in your headcanon with whatever, but in the end it is a plothole.
Hai it’s fiction. It’s not so much a plot hole just because it isn’t explained. It would make for a dull scene to talk about these things. Just accept it and move on - don’t know why people get worked up over this tbh!
It makes sense to have a (smaller) spare warp core on a long range deep space frigate especially with two deflector dishes.
The Intrepid class wasn't intentionally designed to get lost in the Delta quadrant.
The redundant power source was for the EMH to operate during damage that took out the other power sources.
Plus, as long as the holodecks are working, you literally have anything you could possibly need in order to run the ship (provided you don't need to take any of it off the holodeck)
The second warp core powered the deflector dish which was isolated from the rest of the ships systems. It was suggested in STNG and I believe in Voyager as well that the deflector dish was for navigation and communications but could be tweeked to be used as a weapon if needed. It wasn't possible to go to warp without the deflector dish fully operational.
Why on earth would the deflector dish need a seperate warp core to power it o.O
Torpedo's, during one of the episodes they explained that they could bleed antimatter from the warp core to produce more.... as for the Shuttle's, during the delta flyer build episode it was explained that the standard type 7 shuttlecraft was designed to be replicatable using the industrial replicators.... As for the 2 warp cores, pretty sure the second one is the power source for the aero shuttle so doesnt have enough power to move the whole ship at warp.
Host flips the bird at viewers with both hands stealthly at 1:08.
The torpedoes could have easily been restocked somewhere along the way, even with modifications to fit Voyager, piss poor planning on the writers part. They could even have made a full episode out of it.
Would have been much better than breaking the warp 10 barrier dumb episode.
I mean, apart from the antimater for the warhead is there really anything in there they can't get from a replicator?
Did Adam really just give us all the finger at the 1:08 mark? Well done Adam, I barely caught that! LOL
yes he did...i was looking for your comment
Captain Planet? Captain Proton, more like.
By your powers combined, I AM... Plot Contrivance!
Appreciated this - as a Trek Fan...of All the series / re-incarnations etc.....Voyager Remains my Favorite Ship....to me, because it's NOT too big, and NOT too small....its size is Realistic to the eye... IMO but, Thank you... :) Also, a Player of Startrek Online since BETA EDGELCLIFF@rextrek Admiral of the USS CLARE VOYENT
I'm slowly going through Voyager. In the first two seasons all I can think of is:"Oh, God...not another weird space cloud in their way or sending an away team to a planet just as a gigantic transporter and sensor-disrupting storm about to appear!"
The first 3 seasons were a bit like that (I was watching repeats on BBC2 in the UK around 1996/97 but that allowed me to see the first runs of the later seasons and I was hooked)...I can see why the changes allowed new stories to be developed beyond that - much more diverse set of enemies and plots from Season 4 onwards :)
The part your missing about the 3x torpedoes and extra shuttle craft is that they were clearly GROWN IN THE HYDROPONICS BAY. Why do you think it only had a few racks for edible plants?
Star Trek: Voyager. My all time favourite opening credits for a show. There are more ideas in those 30 seconds or so, than in an entire year of any TV soap opera. It looks gorgeous, especially the deflectors causing the nebulosity to fluouresce as the Voyager passes through it.
..... 1 minute 30 seconds, I concur, CG was well done, just a little long.
Time travel is inconsistent. It always changes in Star Trek. In the movie they sling shot around the sun, using warp and move through time. Then require a 29th century time ship
The cafeteria of Discovery was redressed to be Jett Renos lab when she is first introduced
#7 should've been used in life support emergencies. Assemble in the holodeck, create a holographic bridge with holographic air, reroute ship control to the holographic bridge, use that to continue controlling the ship until the emergency has been solved
It might be extended universe stuff but Voyager appears in the MMO Star Trek Online, with Tuvok as the captain. You even go into the Delta Quadrant to see Neelix.
I always thought the warp 5 speed limit was just for that one corridor that had been damaged. Not the rest of the quadrant.
Pretty sure the star trek set reuse list would have to be a multipart series, given not only the times sets were reused across series, but also including times sets got reused within the same series across different episodes. I'd love to see videos on both of these lists.
The TNG Crusher/Troi yoga scene was just part of the hallway around a door blocked off with mirror walls.
6:43 Hmmm? The human brain was "Designed"??? No! It happened by random chance and accident!
Wouldn’t you think that the reason why the holodecks being on a separate power source is for the same reason why it’s EMH might also be. The advantages of keeping a working medical bay is obvious. Paired with the need to use holodecks as triage, it’s a no brainer.
Having a generator that only worked for your living room, another set that only worked for your kitchen, etc., etc. is dumb. Same goes for the Voyager.
@Patrick McCurry, yet having a back up generator in an OR and triage on a navel ship is a no brainer. The Voyager ship is nothing like your house.
@@SB-vj7sz the intrepid class, fully fitted out, which voyager wasn't, has a tonne of redundancy systems.
David Knowles and your point? The Intrepid Class didn’t have a holographic doctor, holographic medical systems and holographic tools. After the Voyager crew lost the only med staff they had, it was a darn good thing they had “redundancies” for the rest of their voyage.
From my understanding the secondary warp core was the equivalent of a spare tire. It was not linked itself to the ships power in any way. It was meant to be ejected itself and then reinserted into the main warpcore location so it could link back to the rest of the power systems.
I thought the holodecks being seperate was to force the writers to do less holo shenanigans. Moriarty for example
Ya gotta do a Repurposed Sets List for all the major and minor reused sets. There are soooooo many! Like the Motion picture Enterprise brodge was repurposed as a court room, Enterprise-D battle bridge, Enterprise-C bridge, etc. They literally made sets that went boldly where no other set has gone before.
They didn't show restocking of other components either but it still happened lol.
Can't they just transport a photo torpedo and use its pattern to construct more? In theory anything they have a pattern for can be replicated so the only limitation is energy.
Man I remember voyager arriving and getting season one on vhs
OK...so far as topics 3 and 4 go, there are these things called "replicators." No...not the evil little bots from Stargate...but the nifty little things that could instantly make, "Tea. Earl Grey. Hot." They could also make components and materials to fix and build things. Sure...they were down a lot, but the show wasn't a day by day recounting of the experiences in the Delta Quadrant. It was just the highlights...supposedly. There was plenty of down time and boring day to day time where things could be fixed, maintained, and even rebuilt. Not to even mention trade with technically advanced worlds or other space-faring beings. And for item 2...you claim to have watched Voyager, but you seem to forget the times when Voyager got propelled light years across Borg space by the evolved Kes as well as things like slipstreams and experiments with trans-warp tech. I agree...if the ship's engines had been pushed to work at maximum warp for years or even months, they would have been completely ragged out, but there were episodes where Voyager was literally "thrown" immense distances drastically cutting many years off their journey. And back to the replicators...they could have made new parts to fix other parts that may have worn out. Let's face it. It's science FICTION. As much as we might like to believe in all this horse dung, it's fantasy. Enjoy the show and stop trying to denigrate the things we just don't know will or will not happen. Have fun.
Wasn't it shown in The FC trailer so they wouldn't spoil what The Enterprise E looked like?
You have very small hands for a man. Feel sorry for you dude. I hope it hasn't affected you life in any serious fashion.
Next time you're watching a transporter scene in any TNG episode, check out the ceiling above the show's stars. You'll notice this is actually the floor from the Original Series, which was flipped to borrow from the old series while still updating the transporter for modern viewers.
I never noticed that. For anyone who wants to see where the transporter effect came from, check out the 1950's sci-fi movie "Forbidden Planet". Although used for a different reason, visually, they use the exact same effect, and it's where Star Trek's FX guys got the idea for the visual effect.
And it has the coolest flying saucer in the history of EVER!
Regarding the photon torpedoes and shuttlecraft supplies, when a writer or writers refuse to observe the limits that are already built into the series’ “bible,” they really cheat themselves out of inspiring stories. Limitations are what create so much good conflict.
Agreed - there are so many ways they could have used "OMG, there's a stock of much-needed Starfleet torpedoes but we can't get them unless we do X..." as the basis of a story. Voyager's writers didn't take proper advantage of the resource pressure OR the Marquis crew for dramatic tension.
@@3rdalbum because they weren't really that dramatic, Marquis were mostly former starfleet officers just piss about the treaty the politicans signed with the cardassians.
There was no natural hatred between starfleet officers and Marquis, most of starfleet didn't like the treaty either they just didn't rebel. So why would there be amongst the crew. That plotline make no sense. An thus was rightly forgotten.
Star Trek sets as Star Trek sets and Star Trek uniforms as Star Trek uniforms.
anyone notice he flipped us all off twice?
#7 Obviously Star Fleet reviewed the mission logs of the Enterprise D and realized having a Holodeck character take control of an entire ship was stupid, so independant power supply and cut off from access to the rest of the ship was a smart thing to do.
Why would a ship that can fly in atmosphere and even land need an "aeroshuttle"?
For romantic getaways, obviously.
It's probably faster, easier and safer to sent out a shuttle than to take the whole ship into the atmosphere.
If it would take 75 years to get home then I'd be stopping a lot too. Like they said 'we are explorers and scientists' I love that crew. Great series.
The was one thing that kept bugging about Voyager as I was watching it: how was Naomi the only kid on the ship?
(Just think about it)
It didn't have families on in general did it? I don't remember any...
"Year of Hell" episodes had tons of kids.
Taffybadger he means how come other crew didn’t do the deed and get pregnant.
NOBODY hooked up except Tom and B’elanna which was odd. They never even insinuated that anyone was even having sex - lol. It seems unrealistic but why even go there if you know what I mean.
@@batgurrl Well Tom also hooked up with Janeway and had a few babies,... when he evolved into some amfibian pond salamander like thing.
The holodecks were separate from the main systems because they were used to troubleshoot the main systems in case of failure or other issues as well as testing new system modifications.
Without even looking it up, "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". Do you even Latin, bro ? 😜 Also, the obviously simple translation seems quite apropos in these times, especially in the States . . .
Should be "leges", shouldn't it?
@@peterwyetzner5276
Argue with Cisero, he wrote "legas"
@@peterwyetzner5276 Indeed, you are correct. Grazie !
Though speaking of First Contact, I loved that The Defiant was in the opening battle. An Anti-Borg ship that was never shown fighting the Borg throughout all of DS9, then finally appears in a movie to fight the Borg and gets its ass kicked.
Voyager did appear in that film’s teaser trailer for only one shot.
@@darthkurland The Star Trek movie trailers did have a habit of using footage from other Trek movies and episodes.
In times of war the law falls silent....
I watched STV from start to finish, and even now two questions remain: How many shuttles did they have? And how big is the shuttlebay? They lost at least 10 shuttles over the course of the show, and of course held the delta flyer, Neelix’s ship, and occasionally an alien visitor. Voyager isn’t a huge ship, but they sure seemed to have a lot of shuttle space.
Yes do the redress list as soon as you can please. We need more content.
TRIVIA: The Belerophon was the name of the ship that was lost in the movie Forbidden Planet...the film that inspired Gene Roddenberry to create Star Trek.
Forbidden planet! THE BEST! I love that movie and considering it was the the first big budget sci-fi film, it continues to be relavent. I enjoy all things trek, was TOS watcher in high school. Lold at thought of Tuvoc going nutzo trying to figure out Qs gifts of weapons.
Are you gonna do a list for the Defiant from DS9? My all time favourite ship!
I loved the Defiant too. But it wasn't really a true starship. Just giant warp nacelles attached to phaser cannons on a tiny little escort vessel.
@@jacksonheathen2092 that's why I'm hoping for a list, to expand on the known aspects that you mentioned and see what the viewers never realised about the federation's only warship
how is the holodecks having independent power a plot hole? wasnt it mentioned in one episode of TNG, and back and forth on Voyager that the holodecks can run emergency defense or medical programs in the rooms to help treat mass casualty when sickbay was full?
and the last one... upgrades. you start with a plan, and upgrade it constantly till its better. considering that Voyager is a like 5 or 10 year younger vessel. its makes sense.
Exactly.
I just assumed the design engineers for the Intrepid-class actually LEARNED from the dozen or so "malfunctions" that happened on The 1701-D Enterprise. So in order to cut down on potential ship-wide disasters, they made the holodeck completely independent form the ship. Perhaps they even made it so they could jettison the damn think into space if shit got too out of hand.. as happened on TNG .. a LOT.
Not a big deal to me. Not EVERYTHING has to be explained to audiences like they're all 5 years old. Sometimes, you can use information you already have to come to a good conclusion on questions without being answered directly.
1:08 when he flips us all the bird. Lol.
Ive known about the second warp core for years, (decades) but I dont know if you or I have it backwards, as I was in the understanding the core behind the shuttle bay was the backup core and the one behind the deflector dish was the engine room main core?
The one real pet peeve I had with voyager was the whole energy rationing sub plot... The materials they would have needed to generate anti matter and deuterium are out there... Very common in fact.
So common in fact there are literally thousands and thousands of starships in the alpha quadrant going about with out a care int he world (universe)... It would make sense that they would convert a section of the ship for anti matter conversion (if need be) and every time they pass a nebular they gorge themselves on energy, replicate everything they need fill up the stocks and then top up on the energy for the rest of the trip...
But really they woudlnt even need to do that as they would pass a nebular or star cluster every other week or so that they could stock up on....
Anyway its silly me getting upset over a simple plot point about a fictional ship from a fictional universe that the whole base of science and physics is to serve plot.......................................... I just cant let it go D:
They did, there was a scene where torres describe how they were converting part of the ship into a fuel manufacturing system.
It astonishes me that they never thought of fitting a big manual circuit breaker on the holodeck energy system. Would come in very handy whenever the holodeck decides to have a mind of its own. Seatbelts and helmets in the shuttles would be a good addition as wel.
The only thing I love more than that sly cut in of the dolphins is the fact that it isn't explained, they just know you know because you're a Star Trek fan 😆
The engineering set and the corridors were originally built on Stage 9 for Star Trek The Motion Picture. They were redressed and adapted time and again for each subsequent production that used them, meaning that those sets carry a sort of lineage that travels through the various eras.
I always thought that if they could build the Delta flyer, they could do the same for all those shuttles and photon torpedos with a little help from replicators.
Fascinating stuff! I imagine photon torpedoes can be manufactured, or even purchased. But the shuttles always bugged me!
I don't think that they really need to come up with an "environmentally friendly" way for Voyager to go to high warp. They're in a unique situation and just one ship. I don't think that Starfleet would have been upset if they broke the warp speed limit, not that a single ship on a one way trip do any damage. Remember that warp drive was in use for centuries before anyone even noticed it was causing a problem.
So was the burning of fossil fuels, in the form of coal...just saying...
Tory Fox I know, but my point is that one vehicle making one trip won’t make a difference to the problem, so they didn’t need to come up with a special reason why Voyager’s warp engines are safer to justify them travelling at high warp.