My great great ( great great great?) grandfather marched to california from his army headquarters at Ft Leavenworth KS to San Diego in 1846 during the mexican war. Driving it would be a chore for me, let alone walking all that way with a heavy military muzzleloader and all the gear load out of an 1800's soldier. Folks in those days had to fend for themselves or take up residence in a box in the ground. Much tougher people back then
@maxpinson5002 Interesting point. I live in an area where there are many homes built in the 1700s. The city of Frederick Maryland gave land to German immigrants for free on the west end of town to create a buffer between themselves and the Indians. The Germans were known to be robust and fearless, and yes, it worked. I often wonder how I would prepare my homestead to protect my family from Indian attacks and or murderous men in those days. I believe there was safety in numbers (but not in a cattle town). Having a home on a hill would be first and foremost.
Great story! As a former Newhall resident and also Ventura I hope you’ll present more of these local stories of the old west. I’ve always heard there existed a rich history in the area. Thank you.
Nice job sharing the history. I lived in Castaic many years. Moved there prior to all the development. When you could still safely ride your horse to the post office to get mail. I left in the mid 90’s. Now I explore the history of the south in and around the Appalachian Mountains. Although compared to the Sierras these are foothills! I do miss the outdoors of the west.
Great video Ken! I have never been out west much but do enjoy reading about the history. Thank you for bringing some to life in your video. I hope you have more installments planned!
I love history, and I live in Sylmar, Ca., near where this story takes place. Thank you, so much, I hope to see more of your historical content of L.A County.
As a long, LONG, time resident of the Hughes/Elizabeth Lakes region I found your dissertation somewhat interesting. There is a considerable lack of associated history pertaining to the areas north/north east around the Old Naylors hog farm as well as the Benz family and their involvement in just about everything in the 1860's. Of course, the Ruiz family also well armed and well intended with more than a modicum of relatively high morals also did much to maintain peace in the area. I used to often frequent the area now occupied by the lake. Back then, prior to 1970 Violin Canyon wound its way through the storied terrain with foundations of structures long gone serving as remnants of its past. The Frakes family up in the Lake Hughes area pretty much discreetly sponsored Tiburcio Vasquez and his motley crew during, roughly the same time period. If one knows where to look, there's evidence of where Chormicle's home once stood way up on the north side of Charlie Canyon.
@@socaloutdoorexplorer5642 Yes, yes, there was. However. For reference 'hill' requires clarification. If traveling east on Templin hwy, as you wind down almost to the gated barrier. Exit your vehicle and looking downhill from the south side of the road you'll see a grove of pine trees. This was the westernmost portion of the Naylor hog farm. If you head farther east towards the Cienega CG trail looking across towards the pines gives you a better perspective on the size of the facility. It was considerable. From about the late teens up to through the early 50's, hog farms sporadically dotted the Plum and Haskell area, or just about anywhere one could find suitable, inexpensive land which was just about anywhere back then. Hog farms were basically garbage dumps. To think of them as being organic material recycling centers would be correct. Food related garbage was collected from restaurants and some L.A. area homes, loaded onto trucks and transported out to the farms where it sat for quite some time, then fed to the countless hogs once the waste had adequately 'stewed'. Some noteworthy hog farmers were Agajanian (who was heavily involved in dirt track auto racing much later) and Arklin families, who (branched into refuse disposal) long before the large corporations came onto the scene. One of the Agajanian brothers founded Santa Clarita National Bank and another hog farmer Guglmino (sp?) started Newhall Hardware. Needless to say, hogfarming was a lucrative business back then.
Down in the canyon East of Castaic Rock is what appears to be one or two marked out old grave sites. One larger than the other. Looks pre-Lake and Hughes Road. So would have been accessed by walking up from where the lake is now through where a built up part of Hughes Rd. now blocks that canyon's once access. Also once easily of access is a family graveyard just East of the dirt parking lot of Combat Paintball Park off Charlie Canyon Road. I think a chain link fence is set up to separate the parking access to it now a days. Thank you for the historic video.
Kenneth. I hope all is well. Looking forward to more of your videos. Not to be mean. However, something about your content and the way you convey your experiences is far superior to others. The thing I remember you said is get out of your comfort zone. You truly embrace nature.
Your back yes.. all of the weird noises you hear the place is probably haunted.. it wouldn't surprise me if unfortunately drug dealers would not go out there to make transactions it's sad.. stay safe out there you might want to consider carrying some sort of pepper spray..
Ken, that was great. Say, I wanted to ask you something about your past backpacking experiences and not sure where to ask it. (Another thread maybe?) You hiked the Sam Houston National Forest a few times. How to you feel it weighs in terms of hiking/camping experience. Crowded? Primitive enough? Scenic? Thanks!
Wow......that's alot like a Texas story....they have a 'hanging tree there to......lol I've fished Castaic a 1000 times had no clue....cheers thanx..... Q
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My great great ( great great great?) grandfather marched
to california from his army
headquarters at Ft Leavenworth KS to San Diego
in 1846 during the mexican
war. Driving it would be a
chore for me, let alone walking
all that way with a heavy military muzzleloader and
all the gear load out of an 1800's soldier.
Folks in those days had to fend
for themselves or take up
residence in a box in the ground.
Much tougher people back
then
That's for damn sure
@maxpinson5002 Interesting point. I live in an area where there are many homes built in the 1700s.
The city of Frederick Maryland gave land to German immigrants for free on the west end of town to create a buffer between themselves and the Indians. The Germans were known to be robust and fearless, and yes, it worked. I often wonder how I would prepare my homestead to protect my family from Indian attacks and or murderous men in those days. I believe there was safety in numbers (but not in a cattle town). Having a home on a hill would be first and foremost.
Great story! As a former Newhall resident and also Ventura I hope you’ll present more of these local stories of the old west. I’ve always heard there existed a rich history in the area. Thank you.
You’re welcome. Stay tuned…
Nice job sharing the history. I lived in Castaic many years. Moved there prior to all the development. When you could still safely ride your horse to the post office to get mail. I left in the mid 90’s. Now I explore the history of the south in and around the Appalachian Mountains. Although compared to the Sierras these are foothills! I do miss the outdoors of the west.
Thanks for the info! . It would be fun to e explore your area
As U are well aware, them hills are seriously steeped in history.....I LUV THOSE MTN. FOLKS!!!
Thanks Kenneth I enjoyed the history of that area.
Glad you were safe at night. Glad you got out of there later.
Thanks 👍
Hi Kenneth, thank you for that intersting and well presented story. Stay safe. ATB.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you, Ken, for this great story.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Ken! I have never been out west much but do enjoy reading about the history. Thank you for bringing some to life in your video. I hope you have more installments planned!
Glad you enjoyed it
Ken, an awesome historic mini documentary. Cheers, Mate.
Many thanks!
I love history, and I live in Sylmar, Ca., near where this story takes place. Thank you, so much, I hope to see more of your historical content of L.A County.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Much appreciated. Yes, I am researching information for another historical video….
Thanks for another great video.
Looking forward to many more ❤ ❤
Our pleasure!
As a long, LONG, time resident of the Hughes/Elizabeth Lakes region I found your dissertation somewhat interesting. There is a considerable lack of associated history pertaining to the areas north/north east around the Old Naylors hog farm as well as the Benz family and their involvement in just about everything in the 1860's. Of course, the Ruiz family also well armed and well intended with more than a modicum of relatively high morals also did much to maintain peace in the area. I used to often frequent the area now occupied by the lake. Back then, prior to 1970 Violin Canyon wound its way through the storied terrain with foundations of structures long gone serving as remnants of its past. The Frakes family up in the Lake Hughes area pretty much discreetly sponsored Tiburcio Vasquez and his motley crew during, roughly the same time period. If one knows where to look, there's evidence of where Chormicle's home once stood way up on the north side of Charlie Canyon.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Much appreciated. I look forward to learning more from long time residents such as yourself
Was the hog farm located up on the hill near Naylors Place?
@@socaloutdoorexplorer5642 Yes, yes, there was. However. For reference 'hill' requires clarification. If traveling east on Templin hwy, as you wind down almost to the gated barrier. Exit your vehicle and looking downhill from the south side of the road you'll see a grove of pine trees. This was the westernmost portion of the Naylor hog farm. If you head farther east towards the Cienega CG trail looking across towards the pines gives you a better perspective on the size of the facility. It was considerable. From about the late teens up to through the early 50's, hog farms sporadically dotted the Plum and Haskell area, or just about anywhere one could find suitable, inexpensive land which was just about anywhere back then. Hog farms were basically garbage dumps. To think of them as being organic material recycling centers would be correct. Food related garbage was collected from restaurants and some L.A. area homes, loaded onto trucks and transported out to the farms where it sat for quite some time, then fed to the countless hogs once the waste had adequately 'stewed'. Some noteworthy hog farmers were Agajanian (who was heavily involved in dirt track auto racing much later) and Arklin families, who (branched into refuse disposal) long before the large corporations came onto the scene. One of the Agajanian brothers founded Santa Clarita National Bank and another hog farmer Guglmino (sp?) started Newhall Hardware. Needless to say, hogfarming was a lucrative business back then.
This was an awesome video, Ken. It’s always nice when you post a video. As always, peace, Ken. ✌️
Thanks, Ken! All the best!
Same to you!
never heard any of this before. nice content, well presented.
Glad you enjoyed!
It's always a great day when I see one of your videos pop up in my subs, Kenneth.
Wow, thanks
Very interesting Ken. Thanks! I knew nothing of this history. 🙂
You bet
Very interesting upload, Ken! I enjoyed listening and watching. Greetings from Elly ❤😍🎧
Thanks for listening
Ken, thanks for posting this interesting historical story that has happened nearby. I had never heard about it.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video, thank you Ken. ✌️
Very welcome
Great to see the videos. Ken!
Glad you like them!
Down in the canyon East of Castaic Rock is what appears to be one or two marked out old grave sites. One larger than the other. Looks pre-Lake and Hughes Road. So would have been accessed by walking up from where the lake is now through where a built up part of Hughes Rd. now blocks that canyon's once access. Also once easily of access is a family graveyard just East of the dirt parking lot of Combat Paintball Park off Charlie Canyon Road. I think a chain link fence is set up to separate the parking access to it now a days. Thank you for the historic video.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I’ll check the sites you mentioned! Awesome stuff
@@KennethKramm I located an image I took down in that canyon of what appears to be graves. If you have some email to forward them too let me know.
Hi ken, super excited to see your video
Hope you enjoyed it!
Lawlessness is STILL a daily occurrence in Kalifornia
That is some history treasure!
nice thanks for the video
No problem 👍
Thank you❤️
Wow, the Wild West was anything but peaceful! 😩
May peace ✌🏽and love ❤️ also be with you Kenneth! Nice work you have done on this history‼️👍🏽
Thank you for watching and taking time to comment. You comments mean a lot to me
Hail to the stealth camping OG 🇺🇲🙂🇺🇲
Have missed you. Where have you been. Enjoy your videos.
Kenneth. I hope all is well. Looking forward to more of your videos. Not to be mean. However, something about your content and the way you convey your experiences is far superior to others. The thing I remember you said is get out of your comfort zone. You truly embrace nature.
Thank you. Stay tuned my friend….
Your back yes.. all of the weird noises you hear the place is probably haunted.. it wouldn't surprise me if unfortunately drug dealers would not go out there to make transactions it's sad.. stay safe out there you might want to consider carrying some sort of pepper spray..
Highly doubt they go out there for transactions LMFAO 😂😂😂
What Da 🦆Are You Saying 🎶🎶🎶🤔
Are there any books on this topic
A book is being written and will be published in a couple of years.
Mr. Kramm, Hope you're staying cool in Sta. Clarita. Did you ever thru-hike or section hike the AT or PCT?
Ken, that was great.
Say, I wanted to ask you something about your past backpacking experiences and not sure where to ask it. (Another thread maybe?) You hiked the Sam Houston National Forest a few times. How to you feel it weighs in terms of hiking/camping experience. Crowded? Primitive enough? Scenic? Thanks!
Sam Houston is ok; some trails are good; I frequently hiked there because it was close to home; too many people and too much trash.
Thank you for bringing this (horrible) story back to life. Somebody effed up on the land rights resulting in so much loss of life and miserey.
You’re welcome. I’m researching information for another historical video. Stay tuned…
Cool story 👍
Very interesting history.
Violence and political corruption seems like not much has changed 😫
Wow......that's alot like a Texas story....they have a 'hanging tree there to......lol I've fished Castaic a 1000 times had no clue....cheers thanx.....
Q
Thanks for commenting. Much appreciated
@333...no you safe
In older days the locals used to shoot people there they saw doing graffiti
A comment for the observant hiker
@ICU8-12 Heck yeah MAGA 🇺🇲🗽
Sounds like modern day Chicago