I'm 19, been watching since 2009, and agree on almost everything. The Safety Car is there so that marshals have time to clear the track, not necessarily to manufacture drama - when I watch clips from old races which show wrecked cars being left at the side of the road, it just looks stupidly dangerous. AD21 only happened because they broke the rules concerning the existing Safety Car rules. If I owned F1 I would try and fix its current state by way of: Designing the calendar to make it as cheap as possible to put cars on the grid at every race, giving the minnows a chance of affording to race. Having the only car regulations be safety related, and size related - you can barely fit 2 cars through any chicane on the calendar nowadays - smaller cars would also make it magnitudes easier to not push people off the road (not that I find the state of w2w racing excusable, even with the current cars) I see no way of fixing the drivers' etiquette - they've abandoned being gentlemen for dirty play ages ago. When I raced in leagues on F1 2020/21/22, people who were perfectly competent and mature drivers would see no issue with taking the whole track for themselves, because they've been brought up seeing the current field doing exactly that. I can't deny I still enjoy watching it, but it's at the point that clean overtakes are genuine race highlights.
I hear people talking about how beautiful current F-1 cars are and I just want to scream. If these cars are so impressive then why don't the major model car manufacturers make any models of them. For Tamiya, the 1/20 scale McLaren MP4/8 from the 1993 season is the newest car they made a model of. The drivers are like TV news people, they look and sound the same. I remember simple plywood victory podiums as late as 1987. Do you think this current crop of pretty boys would be caught standing on a simple wooden victory podium or driving a race at Anderstorp Sweden? I don't think so.
I may be approaching 50, but in most areas of sport and culture when I hear people of my age saying “it was so much better then” I roll my eyes at the lack of objectivity and rose tinted nonsense. But Formula One is the absolute exception for me. It really WAS better back then. To the extent that is no longer even remotely the same sport. The whole point of it has been eradicated by endless technological homogeneity. I’ve tried several times to come to a new season with fresh enthusiasm, parking my biases. But it never lasts long. The magic started to ebb away in the 90s and there’s no going back. TH-cam has at least given us a window into that wonderful, lost time
@@19megamustaine85 social media gives you brain cancer. reduce ones exposure. i try to keep my comments here to a minimum. somehow there are still intelligent comments in the YT comments sections, but rarely anywhere else across the social media spectrum!! unfortunately immature fans cry the loudest, and due to technology people actually pay attention to them!!
Great video, and glad to see your channel back. I wish I'd been around sooner than the 2008 season. Raw racing just isn't appreciated the same anymore and you gave some really good examples as to why
I am very happy to see you back on TH-cam. I would love to hear how this return occurred? Did formula 1 back off of creators? I noticed that some old videos are gone but not all of them? I would love to hear your story! Thank you
100%. Today's F1 is going downhill so rapidly it's unreal. It's a computer coder's series based on tech and strategy. The Sky commentator's attempt to whip up drama over tire and pit strategies, DRS passes for 10th place, and soap opera melodramas (complete with panto heroes and villains) has become truly sad and pathetic.
F1 fans are so strange. They complain about the fia being ban happy and that f1 should be about innovation. But then they complain that f1 is too much about tech. What do you people want
Watched several races from before 2000, all the way to the late 60s. Full races from start to finish. No, it wasn't better. Yall only remember the good moments and forget all the rest.
We're talking of sports which is bound to be emotive - we're not talking like "Brain surgery back in my day was better," because that would be patently untrue but the way F1 is now kills the chance of the unexpected. The truth is F1 is heavily medicated today - you never get the highs like you used to and you never get the lows either. You end up passively watching a tepid performance of overgrown kids with penalties excessively handed out in some cack-handed way to make it seem fair.
@@heliumtrophy you actually do get tons of highs and lows. Maybe you aren't paying attention. Of course, if you pretend to have the same level of unreliability from modern cars, you clearly don't understand the whole of motorsport at all. But unpredictability is still there. Everyone claimed that 2024 would've been a carbon copy of 2023, with a red bull and verstappen domination. AND YET here we are, with both titles up for grabs by others and always an unclear winner in each race. People complaining about this sport aren't following it. They just complain to stir drama and feed the algorithm. IN TRUTH: F1 has never been this good in 25 years, if not more. And the argument of "overgrown kid" is so fucking stale. Maybe yall forgot how drivers 40 or 50 years ago used to cry on the media about rules and decisions. I do because I actually follow this sport with passion. Yall don't because have lost any kind of passion and are looking for people to blame. You only have to blame yourselves.
@@mondodimotori It might be "so fucking stale" to complain about the overgrown kids but to try and watch a race when they keep interrupting the race so that we hear every driver's thoughts about something or other is absolutely mind-numbingly tedious. It takes me out of the race to the point where I don't care so yes, you may like to think that we only have ourselves to blame for not enjoying the races but when the whole media weekend is much of a muchness where things need to be stripped back a touch, I could start to enjoy the racing more because I watch a race and not think what a fascinating fight between Max and Lando - which it is turning out to be - but an overegged media monstrosity of excessive PR speak, believing pit-com radios give drama and so on. Maybe I need to see a race live again to give me that shot in the arm but the Las Vegas debacle last year coupled with the Spa race that never was and their token voucher "refund" just feels a bit of a slap in the face that makes me resistant of giving them my money. Still if you want to believe it's about people have lost the passion then go ahead but don't mistake that for people who have a seething anger at how the sport is being run when the overriding feeling is they're blunting the impact of a race. If the more is more is good ethos is good with you - happy days - I just want less, I think the calendar is too bloated and is in dire need of trimming but knowing them, the would mean the ones that are seen as the holiest of the lot would be ditched for a semi-street track in Jerusalem. Still we can all cast aspersions because we want to demean the other person's point of view. There's too much of that about.
Exactly correct in every particular. As someone who watched F1 for over 50 years, I have now stopped paying much attention to the boring corporate parades that now pass themselves off as races. But then I’m old enough to remember a time when automobile racing was actually about the automobiles.
I'm not disagreeing. Spot on. As a 56 year old soon to be former f1 fan, I believe all sports, the arts, humanity ain't what it used to be. Let's face it, capitalism is the rule of the day. No matter what, it's all gone to hell in a plastic hand basket. Made in China! Finally, I'd also say the lawyers have it best as most standards of living, playing, and or misbehaving is based on potential lawsuits. Safety first, 'wokeness' and what many perceive to be pure censorship has killed life as we all once knew. Thoughts...?
Lol nostalgia. I had a high-performance RX-7 in the 1980s and any modern hatch would whop its ass in a straight line and around corners. Motor racing is not a charity. Amateur sport went out fifty years ago. Teams should not have to pay to participate. Professional marketing may be boring to some but it adds tons of value. Would you concede that modern motorsport fans might not want exactly the same that us old fossils do? Welcome to the 21st century.
@@qwj68boots as much as implementing safety procedures is killing the sport, it would be churlish to not react and make changes when needless death and injury occur. There are ways to have more safety standards, but maybe have less regulation around safety procedure. It's just that I see that safety has had an influence on everything in the sport, but maybe we need to see about reducing the 'bad' safety aspects that are killing the racing. safety regulations can conversely create more dangerous situations by using blanket safety rules. And the more rules, or changes in the rules, the more confusion occurs. It was genuinely dangerous to see half the grid cycle past Strolls beached car in last weekends 2024 Sao Paulo/Brazilian GP. I winced as i remembered the fateful day we lost Jules Bianchi. And i crossed my fingers that no one was going to light up the rears and end up underneath the recovery fork lift again as they went past. I find it hard to disagree with anything said in this video however. oh and btw everything has gone to hell in a plastic hand basket by design. we are all complicit through our own ignorance. however fighting the tide is also difficult. there are many that have played their parts and blame can be apportioned about almost everywhere. It's a regrettable situation in terms of the direction we are all headed in together.
@@jg2627 The difference is that Murray had infectious enthusiasm for motorsport and that would rub off on the viewer. What you get now is a rather manufactured and studied way of commentating. It is a good point to make though, his naturally high register can make it sound completely ridiculous but we loved him for it.
This video really has 'old man yells at cloud' energy from people who can't accept that the past is over. Other than the second to last point about letting new teams enter, which I absolutely agree with, all other points make unrealistic demands with no real thought about what would happen if those changes happened. Without the implementation of hybrid engines, maybe F1 would find it difficult to entice engine manufacturers like Mercedes, Audi, Ford, Honda and Renault to participate. F1 fans love to talk about how it's the 'pinnacle of motorsport', but complain when the sport does what it's supposed to do, push technology forward. Flappy paddles are also in the same category, they are objectively the faster option, of course they will be used. Do you guys want to be like the backwards hicks who run NASCAR and race 5 speed manual transmissions like we're still in the 80s? Complain all you want about DRS, but without it, people would cry about the lack of overtaking and the boring racing. And for all the moves that happen in the middle of the straight, I still see most of the overtakes happening on breaking zones, so DRS really isn't that overpowered. A few weeks ago Russell defended against Hamilton on dead tyres in Spa of all places, for multiple laps, but sure overtaking is very easy now. Oh and parity? That didn't exist either. Back then the qualifying gap between the fastest and the second fastest car could be as large as the one that currently seperates McLaren from Williams. But the unreliability of the cars created a sense of competitiveness. Make no mistake the grid is now more closely matched than ever before, you can tell just by how few cars get lapped nowdays. But the fact that cars are very reliable now makes it seem like it's less competitive.
I totally agree. Some of his proposed solutions are simply absurd and frankly not very intelligent, while displaying an abysmal ignorance of the technicalities and economics of the sport. And faces were palmed.
@@nickklavdianos5136 people forget that DRS was introduced exactly because people complained that f1 was boring and had little overtakes. Most of the changes made by f1 in the past 30 years have always been either for safety or responding to fans demands. Also, gaps between top teams and back markers were even wider in the past. They were so wide that, at a certain point, they needed a pre-quality session to remove the snails from the grid. F1 has never been this close since ever.
@@mondodimotori People don't forget, there were two camps - those that wanted something because they complained about no overtaking and those who believe that it should be a cat and mouse thing where you have to earn the overtake, apply pressure, trying to make the driver make a mistake. Obviously because those who wanted DRS shouted more loudly, they won and now you have those who weren't for DRS sitting around complaining that it takes the fun out of everything. It's the nature of the beast, you see, placate one angry gang, you create another.
Oh cool. You’re back? Didn’t you post that you were leaving TH-cam coz they kept putting copyright strikes against your videos? Or was that someone else?
Attended my first F1 race in 1985, and this video is spot on and needed to be made. Only things I'd add would be the anti-competition rules (development tokens, testing bans, non-competition clauses in engine supply contracts) and the fact that cars weigh 800kg as opposed to 540 kg in the 80's and sound like someone farting in the bathtub
I'm glad that you are back. I agree that F1 was always a business, but now you can see clearly and that's bad. Stuff like Drive to Survive, the sprint races and the long calendar are proof of that.
Perfectly summarized! Thanks for for posting!! Current F1 is a perfect example of the Law of Diminishing Returns... more tech. has meant less: "fill in the blanks", i.e. diversity of design and innovation, driver expertise and athleticism, etc. Jacques Villeneuve was roundly criticized for stating the obvious many years ago... that F1 should "devolve" back into, and develop from, mechanical grip etc. Now more than ever, with the incredibly advanced state of tire technology, this would be even more realistic. Does anyone remember how exciting qualifying used to be? ...with "qualifying tires"??? Current F1 is boring, the sound is, as you perfectly said, anemic. The idiots who run things at Liberty are going to kill MotoGP as well.... it really sucks. I was lucky enough to be a part of the great days of F1... and IndyCar... in the 70's, 80's and 90's.... Oh, and while we're on this topic, BRING BACK THE UMBRELLA GIRLS!!!! Racing used to be DANGEROUS AND SEXY!! You would think that guys like Zak Brown at McLaren would know this. @FTMC09
I get no less joy from watching today's F1 races as I did from the '70s, '80s and '90s, but I do miss the variety of car design and technology that we had before tighter regulations visibly turned the current grid into spec cars. I would posit that 1977 was the pinnacle when it comes to variety. At that year's Long Beach GP, I watched the 6 wheel Tyrell P34 do battle against Lauda's Ferrari 312T2, Scheckter's Wolf WR1, Andretti's pioneering ground-effects Lotus 78, Laffite's Matra V12 powered Ligier, Watson's Alfa flat12 powered Brabham, and Hunt's McLaren-Ford. Absent were the Stanley-BRM V12 and the first turbo-charged GP car, the Renault RS01 V6, that would appear towards season's end. That's 6 different powertrains of different configurations! Among 20 (give or take) teams that competed that year, 12 scored points at a time when only the top 6 finshers were awarded. Among the Cosworth-Ford contingent were Shadow, Fittipaldi, Ensign, Surtees, Penske, ATS, March, Hesketh, Interscope, Williams and Kojima. Walter Wolf's team (the Lawrence Stroll of the era) even scored a win in its maiden race and managed 4th in the constructor's championship even though they ran only 1 car for Jody Scheckter, who finished 2nd in the driver's standing behind Lauda. One notable disappointment that this video may not have noted are the disappearance of historic tracks in favor of today's bland circuits in countries with zero motoring heritage. Azerbaijan? Abu Dhabi? Qatar? Ugh!
Just playing Devil's Advocate here (because the video was excellent and raised some very good arguments) but how much is the current situation ultimately due to things like the drivers' campaigns for safer cars and an end to people being killed and seriously injured? It would be interesting to see a documentary on how the safety aspects have contributed to a changed F1. P.S. Totally agree about the whiny drivers. Surprised they aren't seen on the podium with a teddy bear under their arm and thumb in their mouth. Maybe they should quaff the champagne from a sippy cup!
I dont agree with the first point as yes it is more demanding to manually shift and concentrate to not overrev the engine, i do think that F1 nowadays is just as physically demanding if not more because of the High G forces and the sometimes more snappy behavior of the Hybrids. If People that train and race since they are 9 years old or even younger, exit a car and being completly exhausted, i dont think that its then easier to drive, also considering that before the 90s it wasnt very common for drivers to even phisycally prepare to drive in F1. In the end tho nobody of us knows because we never drove an F1 car from the 70s and especially none from today
They were pulling just as many G-Forces in those days as well. So imagine doing manual stick shift as well as everything you know of today. That's why I have the utmost respect for them.
@@heliumtrophy i can assure you without even driving an f1 car that Cars from the 70s and 80s did not make 5 or even 4G through corners, the cornering speed wasnt high enough
my 1st race i was at was 1964 Ring 100 plus since Gave up a ticket now would pay for many race tickets now only neg back then was ground effects i agree with about all you say blame the F.I.A. and now Liberty cash cow rather than sport.
@kickstartmotoart that track was changed many times before 64 when I was there. Like Hockenheim which was alot longer in the woods section it went to a town at the end then headed back towards the stadium section.
Totally agree. The skill of the driver has almost been totally removed and as you say they are like a bunch of whiney kids. I wish they would bring back manual gearboxes for one. Although I will admit that some of the tech advances have made cars so much safer. I was such an F1 fan back in the late 80s early 90s. Now it's just a parade.
I really like this video. What i absolutely cant wrap my head around is engine cost. Are they made outta freakin blood diamonds?! U can build a almost 12,000-hp nitro engine for $150K-$200K!!!
Nearly 20 people to change 4 tires in 2 seconds and if you break a tiny little wing element, and need a new wing, your whole race is over. Limit the amount of people allowed to service the car on stops to like 7 or 9. F1 has lost itself to an unlimited barrel of regulations, technicality and bureaucracy. Love it still, but races can be soooo boring.
When machines were beasts to be tamed, not a safe cages that asks for your pronouns. The Epitome of it all was when Senna won a race where everyone had the same mercedes. No assist, no tech, only ability
I sign every word you said.Born in 1976, the first race I remember was Imola in 1981..so a long time of watching, reading and living,breathe with with F1.Today's farce 1 is a transversity and an insult to every "old" fan, spitting on our heroes and feelings, expectations of next race.Oh,yes,watching live and replays,highlights are not the same,no way, Any way today time is awful anyway in all meanings and directions, so F1 is no exception!Everything is so fake... My earliest memory is Gilles in a red Ferrari on TV watching with my father supporting Jones and Williams and to me everything somehow looked red and that Ferrari sliding around corners...
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F1 is supposed to be the pioneers of technology. Does your car have anti lock brakes? Stability control? Power steering and brakes? Do you know there are brakes on all four wheels? Irregardless of your feelings, there is more passing than in years gone past. When a car took the lead, didn't need to pit for tires or fuel and unless something broke, they won flag to flag. Was it really that exciting? You forget about the Cosworth trains in the 70's when nobody could pass. All the same engine and basic body plan. Try the 50's when races where 3 or more hours long and there were less than twenty cars in the race. Exciting. I don't think you know your history.
He wont answer you because he already made up his mind ,one thing I agree with him is the drivers are really bitching on the radio frontrunners and backmarkers alike !
Ugh!!! And right before the next race!! My seasons are thinning out. What's the point and it's worse than getting worse. How much archives can we go back to?!
Whoa, you say everything I have been telling people for some years now. I started paying attention to F1 as a child. Read about the races in Road & Track. The only race I got to watch was parts of Monaco on ABC's Wide World of Sports. LOL!
Could not have put it better if I tried. I've said almost all those sentiments at different times. Particularly like your scratching analysis of DRS, or Drivers Reduced Skill.
There is a force in this world destroying all that was once real, i am a seasoned observer, i yearn for Senna, Mansell, Prost, Lauda, Piquet, Rosberg, when the cream always floated to the top, we would bet on whose Turbo would explode first, now i prefer Moto GP, no doubt that will be destroyed also.
Pleasure to watch and for myself documented gooooooood. These real F1 days and how it was could possibly work in 2024 together with the safety regulations of 2024. Okay maybe not all..most I am sure could be used inline with today (?) The press of a button today also affects Music and the Artist. Like F1 drivers who are Artists too -the Art of driving- not the "Boy Band" drivers ( Martin Brundle) though. Surely there are drivers today in F1 who would enjoy real Racing,with an example as you mention " More Tyre Brands" yes a little less penalties arranged by crying Boy Band members who messed up that hair when Alonso looked at them in an overtake. Arnoux and Villeneuve fighting like legends and Magnussen gets banned 🙄..Magnussen is a real racer..bet he would be all in after watching this video. Thanks for uploading.
No complaints from me - I can't get excited about the way F1 is now - the race might as well be an academic exercise. There will be races that I'll watch but out of habit rather than necessity. You can have legitimate complaints about some of the safety features and we get some fans turn into hyenas about "do you want them to die? The instance with Zhou for example is one where I thought the halo was a bad thing because he's suspended upside down and can't get out - if he was out cold and the foot was still on the pedal, there's the ugly thought of him being in flames. Of course, you mention this and they'll go "you can't eliminate everything in the sport" then which is it - you either take something into account or you don't do it at all. I almost expect to hear drivers like lobotomised parrots say "if it wasn't for the halo, I could've been dead," (doesn't say much for your driving then, does it?) With regards to the pit-com, I fucking loathe it but it's been there since the 80s and I can honestly say that a GP where we hear Mansell endlessly moan about this, that and the other would quickly get tiring. I miss everything of old F1 and I never thought I'd see the day where I feel that way. Too much PR making it a personality contest rather than any real racing. The moment a bit of exciting racing does happen there's a time penalty or if they're both out, fans of both drivers at each other's throats and you have to pick a side. I don't know....when you're fed up with something, it's better to walk away. That's what hurts just even admitting that.
That was when F1 was a true Sport: more cars, more engine manufacturers, amazing sounds: more variety . Now Formula 1 is just an Entertainment Cartel: no variety, no sound: pretentious and boring.
There's a big question that no-one is answering. Three years ago (I think) Williams sold out for an amount equal to their market capitalization on the Frankfurt stock exchange. That was about a hundred and fifty million Pounds Sterling. Recently I read that Williams is now worth five times that. What changed? Not the racing results, that's for sure. What has changed for Williams and the other nine teams is superb marketing of F1 by Liberty Media. The quality of the racing may have dropped, although there is still plenty of wheel to wheel, but it seems that that is not what the consumer public wants and is prepared to spend money on. Never forget, Formula One is money and sex, in that order.
'What do you think of modern F1.' The interviewer asked the great, but very old Jack Brabham.
'Too much money and too easy.' He replied.
Glad you're back! I'm assuming all of your yt issues have been resolved.
Your channel is excellent. I hope your sub count grows exponentially.
I'm 19, been watching since 2009, and agree on almost everything.
The Safety Car is there so that marshals have time to clear the track, not necessarily to manufacture drama - when I watch clips from old races which show wrecked cars being left at the side of the road, it just looks stupidly dangerous. AD21 only happened because they broke the rules concerning the existing Safety Car rules.
If I owned F1 I would try and fix its current state by way of:
Designing the calendar to make it as cheap as possible to put cars on the grid at every race, giving the minnows a chance of affording to race.
Having the only car regulations be safety related, and size related - you can barely fit 2 cars through any chicane on the calendar nowadays - smaller cars would also make it magnitudes easier to not push people off the road (not that I find the state of w2w racing excusable, even with the current cars)
I see no way of fixing the drivers' etiquette - they've abandoned being gentlemen for dirty play ages ago. When I raced in leagues on F1 2020/21/22, people who were perfectly competent and mature drivers would see no issue with taking the whole track for themselves, because they've been brought up seeing the current field doing exactly that.
I can't deny I still enjoy watching it, but it's at the point that clean overtakes are genuine race highlights.
Thank you for sharing. It's always nice to read someone's thoughts, opinions who actually know what they're talking about.
It's true that you don't know how good you had it until it's in the past .
Future proves past.
Born too late to experience peak motorsports
Don't know what you got.....till its gone. So true in alot if stuff....sports, music, society...
I hear people talking about how beautiful current F-1 cars are and I just want to scream. If these cars are so impressive then why don't the major model car manufacturers make any models of them. For Tamiya, the 1/20 scale McLaren MP4/8 from the 1993 season is the newest car they made a model of. The drivers are like TV news people, they look and sound the same. I remember simple plywood victory podiums as late as 1987. Do you think this current crop of pretty boys would be caught standing on a simple wooden victory podium or driving a race at Anderstorp Sweden? I don't think so.
I may be approaching 50, but in most areas of sport and culture when I hear people of my age saying “it was so much better then” I roll my eyes at the lack of objectivity and rose tinted nonsense. But Formula One is the absolute exception for me. It really WAS better back then. To the extent that is no longer even remotely the same sport. The whole point of it has been eradicated by endless technological homogeneity. I’ve tried several times to come to a new season with fresh enthusiasm, parking my biases. But it never lasts long. The magic started to ebb away in the 90s and there’s no going back. TH-cam has at least given us a window into that wonderful, lost time
Agree 100%
fans crying on social media .
the bigges probleme .
@@19megamustaine85 social media gives you brain cancer. reduce ones exposure. i try to keep my comments here to a minimum.
somehow there are still intelligent comments in the YT comments sections, but rarely anywhere else across the social media spectrum!!
unfortunately immature fans cry the loudest, and due to technology people actually pay attention to them!!
i take it back you are right man i cant stand formula 1 fans on social media they ruined everithyng .
What seasson is the last one you would consider old school/real f1?
Great channel btw
Great video, and glad to see your channel back.
I wish I'd been around sooner than the 2008 season. Raw racing just isn't appreciated the same anymore and you gave some really good examples as to why
I am very happy to see you back on TH-cam. I would love to hear how this return occurred? Did formula 1 back off of creators? I noticed that some old videos are gone but not all of them?
I would love to hear your story! Thank you
100%. Today's F1 is going downhill so rapidly it's unreal. It's a computer coder's series based on tech and strategy. The Sky commentator's attempt to whip up drama over tire and pit strategies, DRS passes for 10th place, and soap opera melodramas (complete with panto heroes and villains) has become truly sad and pathetic.
F1 fans are so strange. They complain about the fia being ban happy and that f1 should be about innovation. But then they complain that f1 is too much about tech. What do you people want
Watched several races from before 2000, all the way to the late 60s. Full races from start to finish.
No, it wasn't better.
Yall only remember the good moments and forget all the rest.
We're talking of sports which is bound to be emotive - we're not talking like "Brain surgery back in my day was better," because that would be patently untrue but the way F1 is now kills the chance of the unexpected. The truth is F1 is heavily medicated today - you never get the highs like you used to and you never get the lows either. You end up passively watching a tepid performance of overgrown kids with penalties excessively handed out in some cack-handed way to make it seem fair.
@@heliumtrophy you actually do get tons of highs and lows. Maybe you aren't paying attention.
Of course, if you pretend to have the same level of unreliability from modern cars, you clearly don't understand the whole of motorsport at all. But unpredictability is still there.
Everyone claimed that 2024 would've been a carbon copy of 2023, with a red bull and verstappen domination.
AND YET here we are, with both titles up for grabs by others and always an unclear winner in each race.
People complaining about this sport aren't following it. They just complain to stir drama and feed the algorithm.
IN TRUTH: F1 has never been this good in 25 years, if not more. And the argument of "overgrown kid" is so fucking stale.
Maybe yall forgot how drivers 40 or 50 years ago used to cry on the media about rules and decisions.
I do because I actually follow this sport with passion. Yall don't because have lost any kind of passion and are looking for people to blame.
You only have to blame yourselves.
@@mondodimotori I totally agree. I was there in the good old days and they weren't so good.
@@mondodimotori It might be "so fucking stale" to complain about the overgrown kids but to try and watch a race when they keep interrupting the race so that we hear every driver's thoughts about something or other is absolutely mind-numbingly tedious. It takes me out of the race to the point where I don't care so yes, you may like to think that we only have ourselves to blame for not enjoying the races but when the whole media weekend is much of a muchness where things need to be stripped back a touch, I could start to enjoy the racing more because I watch a race and not think what a fascinating fight between Max and Lando - which it is turning out to be - but an overegged media monstrosity of excessive PR speak, believing pit-com radios give drama and so on. Maybe I need to see a race live again to give me that shot in the arm but the Las Vegas debacle last year coupled with the Spa race that never was and their token voucher "refund" just feels a bit of a slap in the face that makes me resistant of giving them my money. Still if you want to believe it's about people have lost the passion then go ahead but don't mistake that for people who have a seething anger at how the sport is being run when the overriding feeling is they're blunting the impact of a race. If the more is more is good ethos is good with you - happy days - I just want less, I think the calendar is too bloated and is in dire need of trimming but knowing them, the would mean the ones that are seen as the holiest of the lot would be ditched for a semi-street track in Jerusalem. Still we can all cast aspersions because we want to demean the other person's point of view. There's too much of that about.
Exactly correct in every particular. As someone who watched F1 for over 50 years, I have now stopped paying much attention to the boring corporate parades that now pass themselves off as races. But then I’m old enough to remember a time when automobile racing was actually about the automobiles.
I'm not disagreeing. Spot on. As a 56 year old soon to be former f1 fan, I believe all sports, the arts, humanity ain't what it used to be.
Let's face it, capitalism is the rule of the day. No matter what, it's all gone to hell in a plastic hand basket. Made in China!
Finally, I'd also say the lawyers have it best as most standards of living, playing, and or misbehaving is based on potential lawsuits.
Safety first, 'wokeness' and what many perceive to be pure censorship has killed life as we all once knew. Thoughts...?
Lol nostalgia. I had a high-performance RX-7 in the 1980s and any modern hatch would whop its ass in a straight line and around corners. Motor racing is not a charity. Amateur sport went out fifty years ago. Teams should not have to pay to participate. Professional marketing may be boring to some but it adds tons of value. Would you concede that modern motorsport fans might not want exactly the same that us old fossils do? Welcome to the 21st century.
@@qwj68boots as much as implementing safety procedures is killing the sport, it would be churlish to not react and make changes when needless death and injury occur.
There are ways to have more safety standards, but maybe have less regulation around safety procedure. It's just that I see that safety has had an influence on everything in the sport, but maybe we need to see about reducing the 'bad' safety aspects that are killing the racing.
safety regulations can conversely create more dangerous situations by using blanket safety rules. And the more rules, or changes in the rules, the more confusion occurs. It was genuinely dangerous to see half the grid cycle past Strolls beached car in last weekends 2024 Sao Paulo/Brazilian GP. I winced as i remembered the fateful day we lost Jules Bianchi. And i crossed my fingers that no one was going to light up the rears and end up underneath the recovery fork lift again as they went past.
I find it hard to disagree with anything said in this video however.
oh and btw everything has gone to hell in a plastic hand basket by design. we are all complicit through our own ignorance. however fighting the tide is also difficult.
there are many that have played their parts and blame can be apportioned about almost everywhere. It's a regrettable situation in terms of the direction we are all headed in together.
Not to mention the current hysterical commentary.
And Murray Walker wasn't??
@@jg2627 The difference is that Murray had infectious enthusiasm for motorsport and that would rub off on the viewer. What you get now is a rather manufactured and studied way of commentating. It is a good point to make though, his naturally high register can make it sound completely ridiculous but we loved him for it.
@@jg2627 The current guy is Murray Walker on meth plus laughing gas.
This video really has 'old man yells at cloud' energy from people who can't accept that the past is over. Other than the second to last point about letting new teams enter, which I absolutely agree with, all other points make unrealistic demands with no real thought about what would happen if those changes happened.
Without the implementation of hybrid engines, maybe F1 would find it difficult to entice engine manufacturers like Mercedes, Audi, Ford, Honda and Renault to participate. F1 fans love to talk about how it's the 'pinnacle of motorsport', but complain when the sport does what it's supposed to do, push technology forward. Flappy paddles are also in the same category, they are objectively the faster option, of course they will be used. Do you guys want to be like the backwards hicks who run NASCAR and race 5 speed manual transmissions like we're still in the 80s?
Complain all you want about DRS, but without it, people would cry about the lack of overtaking and the boring racing. And for all the moves that happen in the middle of the straight, I still see most of the overtakes happening on breaking zones, so DRS really isn't that overpowered. A few weeks ago Russell defended against Hamilton on dead tyres in Spa of all places, for multiple laps, but sure overtaking is very easy now.
Oh and parity? That didn't exist either. Back then the qualifying gap between the fastest and the second fastest car could be as large as the one that currently seperates McLaren from Williams.
But the unreliability of the cars created a sense of competitiveness.
Make no mistake the grid is now more closely matched than ever before, you can tell just by how few cars get lapped nowdays. But the fact that cars are very reliable now makes it seem like it's less competitive.
I totally agree. Some of his proposed solutions are simply absurd and frankly not very intelligent, while displaying an abysmal ignorance of the technicalities and economics of the sport. And faces were palmed.
@@nickklavdianos5136 people forget that DRS was introduced exactly because people complained that f1 was boring and had little overtakes.
Most of the changes made by f1 in the past 30 years have always been either for safety or responding to fans demands.
Also, gaps between top teams and back markers were even wider in the past. They were so wide that, at a certain point, they needed a pre-quality session to remove the snails from the grid.
F1 has never been this close since ever.
@@mondodimotori People don't forget, there were two camps - those that wanted something because they complained about no overtaking and those who believe that it should be a cat and mouse thing where you have to earn the overtake, apply pressure, trying to make the driver make a mistake. Obviously because those who wanted DRS shouted more loudly, they won and now you have those who weren't for DRS sitting around complaining that it takes the fun out of everything. It's the nature of the beast, you see, placate one angry gang, you create another.
It is great to have you back, I was so sad when you were talking about the end of the channel. Keep up your great work!
Oh cool. You’re back? Didn’t you post that you were leaving TH-cam coz they kept putting copyright strikes against your videos? Or was that someone else?
Attended my first F1 race in 1985, and this video is spot on and needed to be made. Only things I'd add would be the anti-competition rules (development tokens, testing bans, non-competition clauses in engine supply contracts) and the fact that cars weigh 800kg as opposed to 540 kg in the 80's and sound like someone farting in the bathtub
One big change that should be made. During a red flag no tyre changes bring back refueling
No refueling tho, can I present you Jos Verstappen 1994 German GP fire?
@@lospiloto6544 OK no refueling but how about this get rid of medium and hard tyres
@@pau1farcry can I present you F1 2005? Or maybe F1 from 1955 to 1982? Not every race was exciting like the majority of 2010-2020s races
@@pau1farcry we remember the amazing races from history, not the races where they started, 2 cars retired and they finished like the starting grid
I guess the Williams cars from the early 90s became the gold standard for F1 cars today. All they need now are CVTs.
I'm glad that you are back. I agree that F1 was always a business, but now you can see clearly and that's bad. Stuff like Drive to Survive, the sprint races and the long calendar are proof of that.
Perfectly summarized! Thanks for for posting!! Current F1 is a perfect example of the Law of Diminishing Returns... more tech. has meant less: "fill in the blanks", i.e. diversity of design and innovation, driver expertise and athleticism, etc. Jacques Villeneuve was roundly criticized for stating the obvious many years ago... that F1 should "devolve" back into, and develop from, mechanical grip etc. Now more than ever, with the incredibly advanced state of tire technology, this would be even more realistic. Does anyone remember how exciting qualifying used to be? ...with "qualifying tires"??? Current F1 is boring, the sound is, as you perfectly said, anemic. The idiots who run things at Liberty are going to kill MotoGP as well.... it really sucks. I was lucky enough to be a part of the great days of F1... and IndyCar... in the 70's, 80's and 90's.... Oh, and while we're on this topic, BRING BACK THE UMBRELLA GIRLS!!!! Racing used to be DANGEROUS AND SEXY!! You would think that guys like Zak Brown at McLaren would know this. @FTMC09
I get no less joy from watching today's F1 races as I did from the '70s, '80s and '90s, but I do miss the variety of car design and technology that we had before tighter regulations visibly turned the current grid into spec cars. I would posit that 1977 was the pinnacle when it comes to variety.
At that year's Long Beach GP, I watched the 6 wheel Tyrell P34 do battle against Lauda's Ferrari 312T2, Scheckter's Wolf WR1, Andretti's pioneering ground-effects Lotus 78, Laffite's Matra V12 powered Ligier, Watson's Alfa flat12 powered Brabham, and Hunt's McLaren-Ford. Absent were the Stanley-BRM V12 and the first turbo-charged GP car, the Renault RS01 V6, that would appear towards season's end. That's 6 different powertrains of different configurations!
Among 20 (give or take) teams that competed that year, 12 scored points at a time when only the top 6 finshers were awarded. Among the Cosworth-Ford contingent were Shadow, Fittipaldi, Ensign, Surtees, Penske, ATS, March, Hesketh, Interscope, Williams and Kojima. Walter Wolf's team (the Lawrence Stroll of the era) even scored a win in its maiden race and managed 4th in the constructor's championship even though they ran only 1 car for Jody Scheckter, who finished 2nd in the driver's standing behind Lauda.
One notable disappointment that this video may not have noted are the disappearance of historic tracks in favor of today's bland circuits in countries with zero motoring heritage. Azerbaijan? Abu Dhabi? Qatar? Ugh!
Just playing Devil's Advocate here (because the video was excellent and raised some very good arguments) but how much is the current situation ultimately due to things like the drivers' campaigns for safer cars and an end to people being killed and seriously injured? It would be interesting to see a documentary on how the safety aspects have contributed to a changed F1.
P.S. Totally agree about the whiny drivers. Surprised they aren't seen on the podium with a teddy bear under their arm and thumb in their mouth. Maybe they should quaff the champagne from a sippy cup!
It's been better. It's been worse. I just wish the cars weren't as huge, fat and heavy as they are now.
You made my day! I'm very happy to see you back, and I agree fully with your critique of today's F1.
I dont agree with the first point as yes it is more demanding to manually shift and concentrate to not overrev the engine, i do think that F1 nowadays is just as physically demanding if not more because of the High G forces and the sometimes more snappy behavior of the Hybrids. If People that train and race since they are 9 years old or even younger, exit a car and being completly exhausted, i dont think that its then easier to drive, also considering that before the 90s it wasnt very common for drivers to even phisycally prepare to drive in F1. In the end tho nobody of us knows because we never drove an F1 car from the 70s and especially none from today
They were pulling just as many G-Forces in those days as well. So imagine doing manual stick shift as well as everything you know of today. That's why I have the utmost respect for them.
@@heliumtrophy i can assure you without even driving an f1 car that Cars from the 70s and 80s did not make 5 or even 4G through corners, the cornering speed wasnt high enough
in the 70s no grid was ever the same, you had various drivers failing to qualify and driver changes were frecvent
I can proudly say I never watched one episode of DTS
my 1st race i was at was 1964 Ring 100 plus since Gave up a ticket now would pay for many race tickets now only neg back then was ground effects i agree with about all you say blame the F.I.A. and now Liberty cash cow rather than sport.
The original Nurburgring must have been a great event 😮
@kickstartmotoart that track was changed many times before 64 when I was there. Like Hockenheim which was alot longer in the woods section it went to a town at the end then headed back towards the stadium section.
Brilliantly summed up and explained. F1 truly is not what it used to be. Thanks for your research and hard work.
Welcome back!
This is utterly SPOT ON!!!!!!
Truer words have never been spoken. Thank you.
This one's gonna tick off a lot of modern F1 fans
And rightly so. This video is full of inaccuracies, it's so black and white, biased from rose tinted nostalgia.
@@CannedMarmalade it should also tick off people that actually understand motorsport.
Totally agree. The skill of the driver has almost been totally removed and as you say they are like a bunch of whiney kids.
I wish they would bring back manual gearboxes for one. Although I will admit that some of the tech advances have made cars so much safer. I was such an F1 fan back in the late 80s early 90s. Now it's just a parade.
Agreed
I really like this video. What i absolutely cant wrap my head around is engine cost. Are they made outta freakin blood diamonds?! U can build a almost 12,000-hp nitro engine for $150K-$200K!!!
Nearly 20 people to change 4 tires in 2 seconds and if you break a tiny little wing element, and need a new wing, your whole race is over. Limit the amount of people allowed to service the car on stops to like 7 or 9. F1 has lost itself to an unlimited barrel of regulations, technicality and bureaucracy. Love it still, but races can be soooo boring.
When machines were beasts to be tamed, not a safe cages that asks for your pronouns.
The Epitome of it all was when Senna won a race where everyone had the same mercedes. No assist, no tech, only ability
I sign every word you said.Born in 1976, the first race I remember was Imola in 1981..so a long time of watching, reading and living,breathe with with F1.Today's farce 1 is a transversity and an insult to every "old" fan, spitting on our heroes and feelings, expectations of next race.Oh,yes,watching live and replays,highlights are not the same,no way, Any way today time is awful anyway in all meanings and directions, so F1 is no exception!Everything is so fake... My earliest memory is Gilles in a red Ferrari on TV watching with my father supporting Jones and Williams and to me everything somehow looked red and that Ferrari sliding around corners...
Brilliant analysis! Ever so true!!! 👍👋👍👋👍👋 What are ways to give notice to the authorities, to the journalistic scenery, to the general public?
In order to make things better… 🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant and true. Cheers!
Old formula 1 was more interresting, the same goes for motorsport in general.
F1 is supposed to be the pioneers of technology. Does your car have anti lock brakes? Stability control? Power steering and brakes? Do you know there are brakes on all four wheels? Irregardless of your feelings, there is more passing than in years gone past. When a car took the lead, didn't need to pit for tires or fuel and unless something broke, they won flag to flag. Was it really that exciting? You forget about the Cosworth trains in the 70's when nobody could pass. All the same engine and basic body plan. Try the 50's when races where 3 or more hours long and there were less than twenty cars in the race. Exciting. I don't think you know your history.
He wont answer you because he already made up his mind ,one thing I agree with him is the drivers are really bitching on the radio frontrunners and backmarkers alike !
You don't say?
Ugh!!! And right before the next race!! My seasons are thinning out. What's the point and it's worse than getting worse. How much archives can we go back to?!
It was way way better,
Agree!!
Whoa, you say everything I have been telling people for some years now. I started paying attention to F1 as a child. Read about the races in Road & Track. The only race I got to watch was parts of Monaco on ABC's Wide World of Sports. LOL!
Have you actually watched an old f1 race?
Could not have put it better if I tried. I've said almost all those sentiments at different times. Particularly like your scratching analysis of DRS, or Drivers Reduced Skill.
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There is a force in this world destroying all that was once real, i am a seasoned observer, i yearn for Senna, Mansell, Prost, Lauda, Piquet, Rosberg, when the cream always floated to the top, we would bet on whose Turbo would explode first, now i prefer Moto GP, no doubt that will be destroyed also.
Liberty Media....pissing on everything you love and then some.
Pleasure to watch and for myself documented gooooooood. These real F1 days and how it was could possibly work in 2024 together with the safety regulations of 2024. Okay maybe not all..most I am sure could be used inline with today (?) The press of a button today also affects Music and the Artist. Like F1 drivers who are Artists too -the Art of driving- not the "Boy Band" drivers ( Martin Brundle) though. Surely there are drivers today in F1 who would enjoy real Racing,with an example as you mention " More Tyre Brands" yes a little less penalties arranged by crying Boy Band members who messed up that hair when Alonso looked at them in an overtake. Arnoux and Villeneuve fighting like legends and Magnussen gets banned 🙄..Magnussen is a real racer..bet he would be all in after watching this video. Thanks for uploading.
No complaints from me - I can't get excited about the way F1 is now - the race might as well be an academic exercise. There will be races that I'll watch but out of habit rather than necessity. You can have legitimate complaints about some of the safety features and we get some fans turn into hyenas about "do you want them to die? The instance with Zhou for example is one where I thought the halo was a bad thing because he's suspended upside down and can't get out - if he was out cold and the foot was still on the pedal, there's the ugly thought of him being in flames. Of course, you mention this and they'll go "you can't eliminate everything in the sport" then which is it - you either take something into account or you don't do it at all. I almost expect to hear drivers like lobotomised parrots say "if it wasn't for the halo, I could've been dead," (doesn't say much for your driving then, does it?)
With regards to the pit-com, I fucking loathe it but it's been there since the 80s and I can honestly say that a GP where we hear Mansell endlessly moan about this, that and the other would quickly get tiring. I miss everything of old F1 and I never thought I'd see the day where I feel that way. Too much PR making it a personality contest rather than any real racing. The moment a bit of exciting racing does happen there's a time penalty or if they're both out, fans of both drivers at each other's throats and you have to pick a side. I don't know....when you're fed up with something, it's better to walk away. That's what hurts just even admitting that.
ok boomer
That was when F1 was a true Sport: more cars, more engine manufacturers, amazing sounds: more variety . Now Formula 1 is just an Entertainment Cartel: no variety, no sound: pretentious and boring.
There's a big question that no-one is answering. Three years ago (I think) Williams sold out for an amount equal to their market capitalization on the Frankfurt stock exchange. That was about a hundred and fifty million Pounds Sterling. Recently I read that Williams is now worth five times that. What changed? Not the racing results, that's for sure. What has changed for Williams and the other nine teams is superb marketing of F1 by Liberty Media. The quality of the racing may have dropped, although there is still plenty of wheel to wheel, but it seems that that is not what the consumer public wants and is prepared to spend money on. Never forget, Formula One is money and sex, in that order.
Dear god but F1 now is just a disaster ...don't even know why they need a driver
To be nice for the cameras
I believe a large contribution for the ruination of the series was Barnard and his automatic transmissions.
formula one today is no longer a sport, it is merely manufactured entertainment.
it's a bad circus.
Was a circus, now a bad soap-opera for tweens
I remember how exciting was to see Mika Overtaking Michael in the past... well now days overtaking is a push of a button, not an art.
Has someone sent this to Liberty Media, F1 and Sky sports???