When a person owns some property there is always a job to do and you ha e to take advantage of opportunities to get them done. It's early Saturday morning as I watch this and today is a day where I can get some my jobs done around the property.
I have been watching another professional tree guy on you tube. He does all of his back cuts straight across to the hinge, not higher or lower, but straight to the wedge cut to create a nice pivot point. I think that is why it was hanging. Thanks for the video!
I would mark the tree stump with a orange pole or something for the winter - since you still don't want to run over it and it is the first year that it is there!
Hi GP, Prior to cutting the tree, talk a stick or maybe something like a 2x4 that's a few feet long and put one end at the base of the stump. Point the other end the exact direction that you want it to fall. This will make a great reference when lining up the saw. Also, i noticed that you enter the initial cuts with the saw on an angle where you then pivot it into the cut. Try cutting perpendicular to the tree going straight in, instead of pivoting. This might help your cuts to line up better. As you mentioned in this video, tasking your time is great advice! Keep up the great videos!
And down she goes. Nice drop and follow-up. Great advice on the upper stratosphere wind direction that affects the drop. Now is the time to get the ice fishing gear assembled and ready.
Hello GP. Very nice video. Love the information on the winds aloft. There are so many ways to tell where the wind is blowing from and all one has to do is what you said watch the tree tops, etc. Surprised you do not have any snow.
Nice video Gord! I like the advise of the wind! That is something i always do when i am felling trees! Looks like your convential cut could have been a bit deeper your back cut was a little higher. I normally keep it flush or up an inch. When dealing with a dead tree, always keep an eye above for dead limbs falling. I lost a friend like that! Escape routes is another thing to keep an eye on, you had an escape route behind you that was open, it looked like you ran 90° to were the tree dropped. We always learn each time when dropping trees! I love your videos of the cottage! I never knew that you had to get permission on your own property like that. Only thing we cannot do it take stumps out of a wetland.
Anytime, a logger once told me, the more you cut the more you learn. He is in his 70's and still dropping trees. I am always learning too! Is your cottage a place you will retire too one day? Or just like a vacation home?
We love all your videos, yes, my wife even likes to watch them. Better to get the tree now, then when there is 2 feet of snow on the ground and the wind is blowing. Keep up the great work.
You did a good job GP I noticed you're notch is looking real good nowadays.... And the trick to getting the tree to go in the direction you want is to leave more of a hinge toward that direction.... And being a previous logger in my day I appreciate the tip onto the beginners about watching wind direction that could save damage and injury to the beginners great video... Oh PS. As far as applying for permits on your own property we have a saying here. better to ask forgiveness than it is permission 🤣
How's she goin'? Nice job getting that tree down GP. With all those wood pecker holes in it it could have been pretty rotten in the center and then you never know what's going to happen when you cut into it. The grapple is some nice for this kind of work eh. Thanks for sharing and once again, neighbors helping neighbors makes light work work of the meanest of tasks!!
Another great video GP, and nice job on the tree! My only comment would be that your backcut still looks too high for a safe hinge but great to see you taking your time with it. 🙂 Also good point on watching the wind, often overlooked but a definite safety concern.
Hi Gord. Always a pleasure watching you. Some others commented and I agreed that the back cut was too high. I'm certainly no expert but I try to get the back cut about 1 in above the deepest cut from the other side. You had a lot of hinge there.
Great video, Gord! If you want to learn how to fell trees like a pro, then you need to watch a pro do it! I have learned many valuable skills from watching a fellow Canadian of yours Buckin' Billy Ray. I prefer the undercut notch and level backcut to make a more effective hinge and preserve the useable length of log as I don't like irregular pieces of firewood or boards with a cropped corner. As I side note, I'm glad that I live in the USA where we have less draconian rules about what you can or can't do with the property that you rent from the government.
Hey Gord...we sure have been lucky so far with the weather. But I do hope we get some stay moisture. We need it. Yah I would have seen swetting with that one...why is it not falling... glad it all worked out...👍
Great Job Gord! Good point about the wind. One of the things you learn in pilot training is that not only are the winds aloft usually stronger, they also usually come from a different direction...depending on altitude, up to a 90° difference do to interference on the ground by trees, hills, buildings, etc.
Nice job GP. As far as I'm concerned, if the tree comes down, no one got hurt, and there's no damage to anything else, then it's a good job even if it wasn't technically correct! 😁👨🚒
Good job. Remember, especially when felling a dying tree, keep looking up when sawing and banging those wedges. If you get hit by a falling dead branch, your helmet won't offer enough protection. It looked like your back cut was a little high. That can have contributed to the tree hanging on a bit longer (not 100% sure), and it reduces your directional control.
GP that was great advice on watching the wind and taking your time to watch the tops of the trees. Plus that's a smart move taking the stump down to the ground. Yes the trees gone so your bumper and fenders are safe but your tires wheels tie rods would still be vulnerable if that stump remained. 👍👍
Hi Gord, there are certainly others that know more but my understanding of the back cut is it should be pretty level with the wedge cut. The risk of having it too high is that you can cut too far and go over your wedge creating a dangerous situation. The tree can tend to hang on and be unpredictable. If the back cut is level the tree will fall when you get close enough to the wedge and will fall in the direction you intended more times than not. Either way I love watching your videos. Thank you.
Good day and thanks Gary - yes for sure - I agree ( well, not level , but should only be an inch or two above) however my eyes are terrible LOL. and for sure, that back cut turned out much too high. Thanks again and have a great weekend!
GP, totally agree bout the wind! As a retired lineman it's a lot calmer at ground level, but TOTALLY a game changer when you're even 30 ft up on a phone pole next to the river (or any body of water), specially in the winter! Lol
Was it perfection? No... Did it fall as planned? Yes... Were you able to gain some more valuable experience? Yes... I will take 2 out of 3 any day! 👍 I know this one was rotten at the ground and you have spoke about hip/back issues for cutting so high. But those wedges are sure easier to swing on the lower you can get! The Husky 372 absolutely stole the show today, completely annihilated this tree job and did not even get an honorable mention in the video title! Booooo!! 🙄 Have a great weekend, GP!
I have a lot of dead trees in my property, none of which are leaning in the right direction! I invested in a 150’ arborist rope to help and it’s been a great tool to have. It’s also helpful in the woods to keep from hanging up in adjacent trees, for example.
Nice drop GP 👍👏 That MS 261 is made for you to fell….at least notch…..then bring out the big gun for your larger trees (MS 462) May I note, that if you use a wedge while stumping and even the larger round between the drop face cut. It keeps the weight of the wood from pinching on your bar and chain while you are working your way horizontally around the base, much easier on the saw and on you. You just need to put it in just far enough to keep your gap while cutting. Enjoyed the video and the helpful hints about checking with the local “Legal” guy’s before doing projects 👍 No expert here, by any means…..but what I have learned over the years…try to keep the notch, about 1/3rd the diameter of the trunk and make your back cut only about 1-2” above the bottom front notch cut. Hope that helps…..it allows the hinge to control the tree for you while you wedge the back 🪵⛓🪚🚜👏 Rick
Gord, Another great video. Glad you’re cutting that stump lower as it would take a wheel off your Tacoma if you ever hit it. I put the blower on my LX3310 today and got the hydraulic deflector all set up. Didn’t have it last winter due to parts shortage. Now to wait for the snow.
I noticed you move your logs mostly with the grapple. Have you ever used, or considered using, a pto driven winch? Just wondering if they're worth considering.
It is a carb pre heat used when it is cold outside. In the summer you block off this feature and during the cold months you have it open. I believe Gord had a video showing how this works.
Good day George. LOL. Many folks are asking - it was a one-time order for that giveaway I did a few Xmas' ago so not sure where you can find them - my wholesale supplier no longer carries them so I won't have them for sale, But thanks and enjoy your weekend together!
Hi GP, your hinge cut was not deep enough. It should be approximitly 1/3 of the diameter. And your back cut should be only one inch higher than the botton of the hinge cut. Again, your escape way should be rear direction , not side direction. Be careful, this cut was dangerous more than the others, you did before, because the tree was not in good conditions.
Nice video Gord, come to realize you just like yelling TIMBER lol, good timing as we have a wind advisory for your area and mine, up to 90km/h so hopefully your driveway fairs out good. Cheers and enjoy the weekend my friend. Pete
Hey Good to see you .and thanks I love what you do ,and how informative. Not sure where you live , but if possible a meet and greet. I want a kubota /grapple. Lol but I do have a stihl 261c thanks again. Craig Pa
Hey GP - What size bar / chain are you running on the MS261? I have been looking to pick one of them up or the 400, but I can’t decide which way to go. What do you like about the 261? Do you have any bigger Stihl saws? Thanks in advance. Have a great day Around the Yard! - Brent
Good day Brent! I have an 18" bar - 0.325 pitch on it. My dealer said not to go bigger than an 18" ( even though STIHL recommends up to a 20". He said the difference in power between the 18 and the 20" is noticeable. Awesome saw - love it - I think it is still the best weight to power saw on the market. really light but lots of umphh! LOL. It is a great day to day saw and I just picked up a 462 with a 25" Light Bar this summer. Love it too but much heavier but great for the big diameter hardwoods and the long bar is awfully nice for bucking ( Stand Up And Buck - as Billy Ray says. :)). Lots of videos on both and a few comparison videos on my channel homepage. You will also find a few videos this past March where I asked and surveyed our subscriber community ( over 300+ answers) and provide the top 5 saws people recommended. Good luck - hard to choose with so many good options available now. Cheers!
I bought a grapple last Summer. Without a doubt, the best (and most fun!) implement I have. The Homestead looks like a better design than the old one. I wonder how it would do on the evil rock that bent the old grapple? :)
Great job Gord and Guy. You were great on the felling of the tree Gord, nice level cuts and the notch met up great. You'll have fun recleaning and getting the saw ready for next season again, that last cut on the stump was a dirty cut and the bar will need lots of TLC as will the chain. Didn't hurt it any just got it dirty. Thanks for sharing with us, stay safe and sure glad that tree is gone for you and your winter work , now it's safer. Fred.
Thanks for sharing GP! I have a unrelated video question, where did you get your orange buffalo plaid fleece jacket. I’ve been looking and can’t seem to fine one like yours. Thanks and have a good weekend, from Northwestern Vermont
Morning Darcy! I did a one time order of a dozen of them for a giveaway a few Christmas' ago for you folks. The supplier no longer carries them so not sure where you can find them retail. Sorry about that. The brand inside says "Pinewood" if that is helpful. Cheers and all the best!
Government overreach is getting out of hand ,even at the municipal level.sometimes better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Bylaw usually only act on complaints.
You did good with that tree. Well done.
When a person owns some property there is always a job to do and you ha e to take advantage of opportunities to get them done. It's early Saturday morning as I watch this and today is a day where I can get some my jobs done around the property.
Good morning PEI! Have a great day out there!
That was good GP , my standard advice to every body is if you want to cut down always look up first.🇦🇺
Good video Gord great job falling the tree made lots of wood for Guy thanks for sharing take care have a great weekend
I have been watching another professional tree guy on you tube. He does all of his back cuts straight across to the hinge, not higher or lower, but straight to the wedge cut to create a nice pivot point. I think that is why it was hanging. Thanks for the video!
I would mark the tree stump with a orange pole or something for the winter - since you still don't want to run over it and it is the first year that it is there!
Great job and great video GP!👍👍
Hi GP,
Prior to cutting the tree, talk a stick or maybe something like a 2x4 that's a few feet long and put one end at the base of the stump. Point the other end the exact direction that you want it to fall. This will make a great reference when lining up the saw. Also, i noticed that you enter the initial cuts with the saw on an angle where you then pivot it into the cut. Try cutting perpendicular to the tree going straight in, instead of pivoting. This might help your cuts to line up better.
As you mentioned in this video, tasking your time is great advice! Keep up the great videos!
Great work buddy
I do love my 261. Wish my light bar would come in
It's been a long wait Brian - hope you get it soon. :))
See the little saw it a real pleasure to run,, Stay safe my friend
LOL! Cheers Skeets!
Thanks for reminder to turn my winter summer thing on saw
And down she goes. Nice drop and follow-up. Great advice on the upper stratosphere wind direction that affects the drop. Now is the time to get the ice fishing gear assembled and ready.
Nice truck
Cheers Wooly!
Hello GP. Very nice video. Love the information on the winds aloft. There are so many ways to tell where the wind is blowing from and all one has to do is what you said watch the tree tops, etc. Surprised you do not have any snow.
Me too. still no snow...:( Cheers!
IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER...
GP that was a nail brighter on when it was going to fall, Stay safe.
LOL! You too Ray!
Nice job lowering that stump at the end. I was gonna say that it could still do some damage at the previous height. That was not an easy cut!
Thanks Walter!
Nice video Gord! I like the advise of the wind! That is something i always do when i am felling trees! Looks like your convential cut could have been a bit deeper your back cut was a little higher. I normally keep it flush or up an inch. When dealing with a dead tree, always keep an eye above for dead limbs falling. I lost a friend like that! Escape routes is another thing to keep an eye on, you had an escape route behind you that was open, it looked like you ran 90° to were the tree dropped. We always learn each time when dropping trees!
I love your videos of the cottage! I never knew that you had to get permission on your own property like that. Only thing we cannot do it take stumps out of a wetland.
Thanks Craig! Some great pointers there - much appreciated. Have a great weekend!
Anytime, a logger once told me, the more you cut the more you learn. He is in his 70's and still dropping trees. I am always learning too! Is your cottage a place you will retire too one day? Or just like a vacation home?
Nice felling!! Made quick of cleaning up. Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
You are getting better at sawing the wedge to a point.
We love all your videos, yes, my wife even likes to watch them. Better to get the tree now, then when there is 2 feet of snow on the ground and the wind is blowing. Keep up the great work.
Good morning and thanks Curt! And a hello to your wifey - so nice to hear. Have a great Sunday together!
Cheers!
Cheers Ernest!
Nice job GP. Great point about the upper level winds.
Good day Chad!
You did a good job GP I noticed you're notch is looking real good nowadays.... And the trick to getting the tree to go in the direction you want is to leave more of a hinge toward that direction.... And being a previous logger in my day I appreciate the tip onto the beginners about watching wind direction that could save damage and injury to the beginners great video... Oh PS. As far as applying for permits on your own property we have a saying here. better to ask forgiveness than it is permission 🤣
How's she goin'? Nice job getting that tree down GP. With all those wood pecker holes in it it could have been pretty rotten in the center and then you never know what's going to happen when you cut into it. The grapple is some nice for this kind of work eh. Thanks for sharing and once again, neighbors helping neighbors makes light work work of the meanest of tasks!!
Another great video GP, and nice job on the tree! My only comment would be that your backcut still looks too high for a safe hinge but great to see you taking your time with it. 🙂 Also good point on watching the wind, often overlooked but a definite safety concern.
Cheers Troy!
Really enjoy your channel, GP. Thanks for spending the time to produce them. Always learn something.
Hi Gord. Always a pleasure watching you. Some others commented and I agreed that the back cut was too high. I'm certainly no expert but I try to get the back cut about 1 in above the deepest cut from the other side. You had a lot of hinge there.
I struggle with directional felling as well. It’s all about the amount of hinge wood and which side has more or less while doing the back cut.
Great video, Gord! If you want to learn how to fell trees like a pro, then you need to watch a pro do it! I have learned many valuable skills from watching a fellow Canadian of yours Buckin' Billy Ray. I prefer the undercut notch and level backcut to make a more effective hinge and preserve the useable length of log as I don't like irregular pieces of firewood or boards with a cropped corner. As I side note, I'm glad that I live in the USA where we have less draconian rules about what you can or can't do with the property that you rent from the government.
Hey good day. You bet - I watch him all the time. Big fan and learned lots. Cheers and thanks Kyle!
Must have been the big boy on the stump.
Hey Gord...we sure have been lucky so far with the weather. But I do hope we get some stay moisture. We need it. Yah I would have seen swetting with that one...why is it not falling... glad it all worked out...👍
Great Job Gord! Good point about the wind. One of the things you learn in pilot training is that not only are the winds aloft usually stronger, they also usually come from a different direction...depending on altitude, up to a 90° difference do to interference on the ground by trees, hills, buildings, etc.
Nice job GP. As far as I'm concerned, if the tree comes down, no one got hurt, and there's no damage to anything else, then it's a good job even if it wasn't technically correct! 😁👨🚒
Morning DA!
Good job. Remember, especially when felling a dying tree, keep looking up when sawing and banging those wedges. If you get hit by a falling dead branch, your helmet won't offer enough protection. It looked like your back cut was a little high. That can have contributed to the tree hanging on a bit longer (not 100% sure), and it reduces your directional control.
Thanks - good helpful pointers - Have a nice weekend!
Hello Gord, good safe felling, life is good my friend 🪵🚜👍🏼🇺🇸
Thanks Larry!
Good advice GP, you did fine with that tree. It went where you wanted it to, without major intervention. Stay warm bud, snow is here now! 👍🍻🌴🚜🪵☕️
I'm still waiting...LOL. Cheers Mark!
GP that was great advice on watching the wind and taking your time to watch the tops of the trees. Plus that's a smart move taking the stump down to the ground. Yes the trees gone so your bumper and fenders are safe but your tires wheels tie rods would still be vulnerable if that stump remained. 👍👍
The weather here has been extremely nice here as well! Good job on getting the tree down where you wanted it to go!
Hi Gord, there are certainly others that know more but my understanding of the back cut is it should be pretty level with the wedge cut. The risk of having it too high is that you can cut too far and go over your wedge creating a dangerous situation. The tree can tend to hang on and be unpredictable. If the back cut is level the tree will fall when you get close enough to the wedge and will fall in the direction you intended more times than not. Either way I love watching your videos. Thank you.
Good day and thanks Gary - yes for sure - I agree ( well, not level , but should only be an inch or two above) however my eyes are terrible LOL. and for sure, that back cut turned out much too high. Thanks again and have a great weekend!
GP, totally agree bout the wind! As a retired lineman it's a lot calmer at ground level, but TOTALLY a game changer when you're even 30 ft up on a phone pole next to the river (or any body of water), specially in the winter! Lol
LOL! Brings back so many memories. Nothing like hanging in -20 degree weather trying to find a clean pair in a pic terminal. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors Lol and usually WITHOUT gloves!
As with basswood trees the stump sprouts will be in the hundreds you might want to dig that stump out or apply herbicide to it.
Was it perfection? No...
Did it fall as planned? Yes...
Were you able to gain some more valuable experience? Yes...
I will take 2 out of 3 any day! 👍
I know this one was rotten at the ground and you have spoke about hip/back issues for cutting so high. But those wedges are sure easier to swing on the lower you can get!
The Husky 372 absolutely stole the show today, completely annihilated this tree job and did not even get an honorable mention in the video title! Booooo!! 🙄
Have a great weekend, GP!
LOL! Cheers!
I have a lot of dead trees in my property, none of which are leaning in the right direction! I invested in a 150’ arborist rope to help and it’s been a great tool to have. It’s also helpful in the woods to keep from hanging up in adjacent trees, for example.
Very nice job Gord. Does that lake have a name and is it very deep?
Have you got your snowblower on yet??! Nice job at the end getting a level cut on the stump. That is hard, at least for me! Cheers!!
Nice drop GP 👍👏 That MS 261 is made for you to fell….at least notch…..then bring out the big gun for your larger trees (MS 462) May I note, that if you use a wedge while stumping and even the larger round between the drop face cut. It keeps the weight of the wood from pinching on your bar and chain while you are working your way horizontally around the base, much easier on the saw and on you. You just need to put it in just far enough to keep your gap while cutting. Enjoyed the video and the helpful hints about checking with the local “Legal” guy’s before doing projects 👍
No expert here, by any means…..but what I have learned over the years…try to keep the notch, about 1/3rd the diameter of the trunk and make your back cut only about 1-2” above the bottom front notch cut. Hope that helps…..it allows the hinge to control the tree for you while you wedge the back 🪵⛓🪚🚜👏 Rick
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Do you do much ice fishing on your lake? I am getting the itch to walk on water. I was happy to see that 261 back out to!
Gord, Another great video. Glad you’re cutting that stump lower as it would take a wheel off your Tacoma if you ever hit it. I put the blower on my LX3310 today and got the hydraulic deflector all set up. Didn’t have it last winter due to parts shortage. Now to wait for the snow.
Nice Andrew. I still haven't but I am getting nervous. LOL! Cheers!
I noticed you move your logs mostly with the grapple. Have you ever used, or considered using, a pto driven winch? Just wondering if they're worth considering.
At 2:23, what is that red tab he pulled out, brushed off, and reinserted?
It is a carb pre heat used when it is cold outside. In the summer you block off this feature and during the cold months you have it open. I believe Gord had a video showing how this works.
Wife loves your orange flannel shirt. Will you be adding it to store or where could I get her one
Good day George. LOL. Many folks are asking - it was a one-time order for that giveaway I did a few Xmas' ago so not sure where you can find them - my wholesale supplier no longer carries them so I won't have them for sale, But thanks and enjoy your weekend together!
Hi GP, your hinge cut was not deep enough. It should be approximitly 1/3 of the diameter. And your back cut should be only one inch higher than the botton of the hinge cut. Again, your escape way should be rear direction , not side direction. Be careful, this cut was dangerous more than the others, you did before, because the tree was not in good conditions.
Hey thanks Denis. Appreciate the great tips. Have a great weekend!
what kind of petrol and oil you use on ms 261?
Nice video Gord, come to realize you just like yelling TIMBER lol, good timing as we have a wind advisory for your area and mine, up to 90km/h so hopefully your driveway fairs out good. Cheers and enjoy the weekend my friend. Pete
Hey Good to see you .and thanks I love what you do ,and how informative. Not sure where you live , but if possible a meet and greet. I want a kubota /grapple. Lol but I do have a stihl 261c thanks again. Craig Pa
Hey GP - What size bar / chain are you running on the MS261? I have been looking to pick one of them up or the 400, but I can’t decide which way to go. What do you like about the 261? Do you have any bigger Stihl saws? Thanks in advance. Have a great day Around the Yard! - Brent
Good day Brent! I have an 18" bar - 0.325 pitch on it. My dealer said not to go bigger than an 18" ( even though STIHL recommends up to a 20". He said the difference in power between the 18 and the 20" is noticeable. Awesome saw - love it - I think it is still the best weight to power saw on the market. really light but lots of umphh! LOL. It is a great day to day saw and I just picked up a 462 with a 25" Light Bar this summer. Love it too but much heavier but great for the big diameter hardwoods and the long bar is awfully nice for bucking ( Stand Up And Buck - as Billy Ray says. :)). Lots of videos on both and a few comparison videos on my channel homepage. You will also find a few videos this past March where I asked and surveyed our subscriber community ( over 300+ answers) and provide the top 5 saws people recommended. Good luck - hard to choose with so many good options available now. Cheers!
I bought a grapple last Summer. Without a doubt, the best (and most fun!) implement I have. The Homestead looks like a better design than the old one. I wonder how it would do on the evil rock that bent the old grapple? :)
Great question and I am looking forward to testing it out come next summer. Cheers!
What's that slide thing you pulled out of your stihl . I have a wood boss and a 391 stihl . Not sure if mine has these. Thanks Daniel
Okay maybe I missed it but what was that rectangular orange peice you took out of the saw in your thumbnail ? I have never seen before !
Great job Gord and Guy. You were great on the felling of the tree Gord, nice level cuts and the notch met up great. You'll have fun recleaning and getting the saw ready for next season again, that last cut on the stump was a dirty cut and the bar will need lots of TLC as will the chain. Didn't hurt it any just got it dirty. Thanks for sharing with us, stay safe and sure glad that tree is gone for you and your winter work , now it's safer. Fred.
Thanks for sharing GP! I have a unrelated video question, where did you get your orange buffalo plaid fleece jacket. I’ve been looking and can’t seem to fine one like yours. Thanks and have a good weekend, from Northwestern Vermont
Morning Darcy! I did a one time order of a dozen of them for a giveaway a few Christmas' ago for you folks. The supplier no longer carries them so not sure where you can find them retail. Sorry about that. The brand inside says "Pinewood" if that is helpful. Cheers and all the best!
Thanks Gord.
How tall is your tractor with the cab? Looking to get something similar and wondering if it will fit in the garage.
Hey GP, where did you find the orange and black flannel shirt? Great Kubota colors! The GP Outdoors patch is great looking!
I would not screw around with the carb warm piece, If you forget to change it back in the summer you will blow your saw up, Ask me how :)
Looking at the video, your initial conventional cut could have been a bit deeper......2-3 inches....
Thanks Glen. I appreciate the advice. Cheers!
hey Gord...your back cut is too high. My buddy is a pro forester, and his back cuts are at the same level as the front horizontal cut.
Hey thanks Roger - I noticed that after reviewing the video. Geez it looked good at the time. LOL! Thanks my friend - Cheers!
Government overreach is getting out of hand ,even at the municipal level.sometimes better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Bylaw usually only act on complaints.