@@SpaceRanger187 they couldn't transport them back to UK (people could be evacuated by a miracle), just like the vans, so horses were killed in order to Germans don't get them (and use them against UK). It is surprising how important the role of horses in the WWll still was.
The fact that the Oscars couldn't even manage to give Joe Wright a nomination for Best Director for this film is a travesty. This scene alone warranted a nomination for him. I'm consistently disappointed by the Oscars.
Certainly made it look a lot more crowded than Dunkirk did. They got four hundred thousand people out of there, Nolan could barely show four hundred. Plus, I like the emphasis on how they have to destroy their own equipment to keep it out of the enemy's hands. The materiel losses of the evacuation put Britain on the back foot something nasty. Got plenty of men out, but vehicles and heavy weapons had to be replaced from scratch.
Your point is? Three months later we beat Jerry in the Battle Of Britain, 18 months later 4th Army kicked Hitler and his cronies out of Africa spread that on your toast and eat it. Has for Nolan he's famous your're not.
@@dinocrank7007 Lol and if it wasn’t for us Americans your little island would have eventually been taken and you’d all be speaking german with the french.
I was lucky enough to be an extra in this scene, as the white horses rumble past James shoulder after the bandstand scene im sat on a pile of bricks smoking a fake cig! Brilliant 3 days shot at Redcar near where I live.
One of the most impressive and haunting sequences in British cinema. Dario Marianelli's music here breaks your heart as you remember all those who never made it back and all those who did but were so horribly scarred. The sequence was famously filmed on Redcar beach with the locals as extras. This morning at 9 am (23 11 22) the blast furnace at the steel works that can be seen in the background was demolished by controlled explosion and the last vestiges of Redcar's biggest employer was no more. I guess as well as being an Elegy for Dunkirk this is now an Elegy for Redcar...
I was an extra in this scene, just as you see the horses been shot, you see a group of men running across the screen, im wearing the big overcoat near the back of the group. Amazing 3 days i wont ever forget. Filmed in my home town of Redcar, Yorkshire.
@@jlasf Hello, no all the people you see were all real just over 1000 extras. All local people and quite a few veterans who were disabled i.e an arm or leg missing to make it more realistic. Absolutely brilliant 4 days I had on set.
@@markabbott1736 The faces of the soldiers singing amidst the chaos felt so real. Knowing some extras were real veterans added authenticity. It felt more like a glimpse into history than just a film.
@@markabbott1736 Thanks. That's amazing. Unfortunately, people have lost the awe of large crowd scenes because so are many done with CGI. When you watch "Cleopatra" (1963) now, people don't realize 20,000 extras were used.
The Dunkirk scenes in "Atonement" are so much better than the entire film "Dunkirk." Far more accurate and realistic, despite the fact that they make up only about ten minutes of "Atonement", as opposed to the entire film "Dunkirk." The character development is far superior as well.
I have seen "Dunkirk" only once and i never want to see it ever again. Woefully inaccurate. I 100% agree with you. BBC's Dunkirk 3 part documentary from 2005 was much better as well.
I like Dunkirk for creating a sense of dread and hopelessness as the ordinary soldier would have felt but I agree this scene does a more realistic view of the actual Dunkirk. I like that here there is still some sense of discipline of troops being where they need to be in their own companies and such. As someone who was in the military (Reserves) the first thing you think of is finding your squad, platoon, company, battalion which the main character of Nolan's Dunkirk never did. Very unrealistic.
It took a lot of work by very experienced trainers to get them to do that. One or two of the horses didn't quite understand the scene and still attempt to get up, but it's still impressive.
This movie devastated me. The fact that someone could tell a horrific lie- young lady, but old enough to know right from wrong. Utter hole in my stomach. It is so haunting. There was no happily ever after. I have read someone; I am not sure who it was - say that Americans seem to only want films wrapped up nicely with a bow at the end. This film worked precisely because the opposite. What a diabolical thing it was to annihilate someone’s reputation and well-being! His every integrity!!! Hopelessly tragic.
@@jimomaha7809 well Jim you are wrong Nolan's is more accurate. Atonement is more dramatic then fact. Photography and my grandfathers recollection would beg to differ
@@TB-su4bz I am from the Netherlands and a local who was in the Dutch army. He flew to Belgium when his unit was overrun. He was with a few other Dutch soldiers he did not know directed to Dunkirk. (He recollects they got a few weird looks as the Dutch uniform was grey.) Still they were taken to Britain. According to him the whole place was devestated and huge amounts of equiptment everywhere. Perhaps the first days on the beach were only a few hundred men.
@@TB-su4bz there were still modern buildings undamaged in many of the scenes in Nolan’s Dunkirk. Even though Dunkirk had been shelled and bombed heavily lol. So much for accuracy
Having done some work in production, this is awe-inspiring. I can't even imagine the months of prep for this day! And simply try to follow the actual steps of the cameraman. He has to go up the steps on the left of the gazebo and down the ramp on the right. I don't even know where to begin to comprehend the number of PA's and behind-the-scenes people who were also running around. All the wardrobe, make-up, etc. My only problem artistically with the shot is that it's SO amazing; it distracted me from watching the movie. I thought, "What an amazing shot!" rather than being IN the movie experience. But that's not a criticism of an unbelievable film achievement.
The use of the wonderful hymn " Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" into this part of his score was unalloyed genius..sure to grip every church-going Protestant's heart
@8:15 is pure cinematic tragedy in every sense. 😢💔 Him crying alone, seeing the romantic kiss scene up close and personal. Almost like a taunt as to what he knows he will never experience again.
I've read that they didn't have the budget to portray Dunkirk in its totality, but in the book, it was one of the most horrifying episodes I've ever read (and I've read many books in 78 years.)
@@etrangeetranger7729 Well done! (I have't confirmed it, but sounds convincing!). Translates as 'The Dock of Mists'. Very apt if this is actually Robbie's feverish hallucination/recollection of events.
Because there weren't enough military boats to evacuate everyone, many British citizens came with their own boats. It was both a horrifying and proud day for Great Britain.
In Nolan’s Dunkirk they portray the beach as only having a few lines of men, and while yes the movie Dunkirk is not just just set on the beach but is split between the rescue boats, spitfires and of course the beach, it’s still pretty lousy that they didn’t show 350000 men on the beach, equipment being destroyed to prevent them being captured as well as doing other things, this feel a lot more real then 6 thousand men just standing in line, this because Nolan wanted real people and not cgi but the end result seems underwhelming because it’s just so small
@@f3lla776 They were stunt horses, it is a film, and the horse are trained to do such stunts. normally they are in cowboy films, but there was not much work this week, so they took a holiday by the sea instead.
They wouldn't have been easy to evacuate and they didn't want them falling into enemy hands. It was incredibly cruel what happened to so many working animals during both World Wars. Even after World War I was over, the British slaughtered thousands of horses to avoid having to transport them.
scorched earh policy - deny your opponent resources. Sometimes, in the past, in a game of Fortnite, I've smashed crates of blue juice and hid discovered legendary weapons even though I didn't need them, to deny my opponents it, and to prevent it being used against me later. Outside the virtual World of course, war is fucked up and the scene with the horses symbolises that perfectly.
I wonder why thousands of armed soldiers were just standing at the open beach...retreating from the enemy!This clearly shows how sick their superior commands were as well as Stalingrad,thousands of soldiers were charging without any weapons and lost their precious lives!If i were a commander during Dunkirk...i would have led the soldiers towards the city fighting the enemy without just waiting for miracle at the goddamnn beach!
How is Stalingrad relevant here? The Soviets actually fought the Germans and won. No one was fighting without weapons in Stalingrad. I'm not really sure where you got that from.
@@sirleo5103 During the battle of stalingrad....since the Germans were advancing and keep taking the soviet positions,due to lack of weapons and soldiers,men were told to pick up the weapons and charge the Germans,even the officers take down who are retreating.There is no clear story/information about this but I've heard this somewhere in the past and I think it true about it!Its a little bit similar with 'Enemy at the gates' but since the movie is a fictional story,can't relate dude!
@@xxgaryxx5421 Russians are fighting without weapons in Ukraine right now too so I believe it. Not out of heroism like you're trying to paint though. More due to the ineptitude of Russian high command and how they treat their own soldiers like fodder. This treatment stretches back centuries, and was the case at Stalingrad. Also, this British retreat won the entire war but alright. Lead the charge next time!
@@bien.mp4 Aspect ratios can be easily changed. But that aspect aside, no matter what your aspect ratio is, you can upload videos on TH-cam stripeless, just omitting the unnecessary ugly-looking black bars against the white background. TH-cam gives you that option, and almost all video editors do.
Like most modern movies about historic events, they don’t have the correct “feel” of what actually happened at all. Half of what you just saw only in no way have actually happened at Dunkirk. It is a fantasy version. Soldiers on that beach 80 years ago just did not look or act in the way that this movie suggests.
Sadly, they were horses which were killed for the film. They were old and were going to be put down by the vet no matter what. Horses always have a sad end, as they are worth more standing up than lying down if they are ill. Pet food fctory controls the price in the end.
Can I get your source on that? I already spent some time Googling it for another comment asking if horses were killed on set, but couldn't find anything conclusive...All the questions even mentioning the horses are asking "why did the soldiers shoot the horses," etc. However, I didn't dig through interviews or trivia sections, so I'm not ruling its existence out. I really want to know who spilled the beans, so I can go back to the other reply I made and update it. I guess the horses about to be put down anyways on top of being shot in the head could maybe avoid running afoul of animal cruelty laws...but I have no doubt a lot of people would be enraged at this news and horse lovers would discuss it on social media. The fact I couldn't easily find people talking about it made me more confident that my first assumption (about the horses not being shot) was correct. There's also the fact that, (1) the horses could've been trained to fall like that, and (2) that was *definitely* a little CGI blood spurt, with no real blood seen before they're (admittedly soon) off camera. Another reason I assumed they didn't fire real bullets is because of how dangerous it would be to fire live rounds into the forehead of a bunch of horses with people flanking them on both sides. Already film sets do not like having real bullets anywhere near set, much less in a gun, and much less a gun firing multiple times on set! Such a crowded set too, with the added distractions & pressure caused by it being in one take in that location. But mainly, look how close all those people are (as they have to be to control the horse). The shooter is practically pointing the gun in their face! One slip up from the shooter or just the horse shaking its head could mess up everything. (Not to mention how loud all those gunshots going off right next to the horses' *and* humans' ears would be! There's a limit to how much a couple people standing next to a horse can control a horse from moving, especially head/neck movement.) If it was just one horse, fine. The first horse wouldn't have a chance to react to the gun and the gunman could focus all his effort on standing still, aiming perfectly, etc. Instead, there is a line of horses, and in one take the gunman has to walk along, only giving him a second to stop & aim. By the last horse, there are still multiple horses left who just had to suffer multiple live rounds being fired next to their ears, with multiple horses dropping dead in their field of view. Yet they don't flinch or show any signs of discomfort based on what I can see...not even in response to the response of the people flanking them, who I suspect would at least subtly react to multiple gunshots being fired THAT close to them. It's not technically impossible that we don't see the people reacting to live gunfire because they have practice and are far enough away from the camera...but the horses are right next to them, and trained horses are usually fairly good at picking up human cues, even if that's just a flinch or general stress. Which again, I don't know how the humans could avoid, unless they were all deaf? Same with the horses? Even then, though, the sound wave gunshots produce when that close don't just vibrate the inner ear to produce "noise" (according to the brain's perception)...It would still vibrate more of the head & body, and would be rather unpleasant. I'm still not ruling out that you are correct, and that they found some horses on death row and dangerously shot them in the head in one take while surrounded by humans, and even the biggest horse lovers who have written blogs about being bothered by this scene never found out about it (or, even less likely, found no issue with it just because a professional vet was going to professionally & carefully put the horses down)... I really want some evidence either way but I can't be bothered to somehow find & then go through every time anyone involved with the film has talked about it on the off chance they mention the horses...since, if they have, I haven't found the clip or comment being cut out and uploaded by itself. Maybe it's buried in some trivia section that links to proof. Whatever the case, if you one day see this reply and can at least point me in a general direction, let me know who you heard it from, I would seriously appreciate it! I took for granted that they didn't shoot any horses until now and I don't want to accidentally spread misinformation...especially if I can find conclusive evidence.
this long take looks so pretentious, I can't help myself, it looks like an operetta, it is very clear that every action is done for the camera. so unnatural.
In a film its not possible to show every little detail about the war in such little time. This scene was made to feel like theater intentionally. Because films, just like poetry are supposed to show us a lot by saying few words. The spontaneity is not real but the feeling it invokes probably is.
@@thesheeplewillhavetheirsay7288 No. As above: THEATRE. That is the way this director organises material, as theatre. Please reference the "Anna Karenina" made by the same director, also with Kiera K. 10-15(?) years ago.
How many black guys were at Dunkirq? And how many were in the regular Army recruited from the UK proper not colonial troops? I'm gonna guess not many. In 1940 the black community in the UK was far smaller than today so the odds of having a black soldier were smaller if we're talking about units recruited from the UK proper. I guess someone said 'he needs a black friend can't have anyone suggest that maybe our 1940 protagonist is possibly a bit a man of his time'. The black guy serves no purpose except that. He doesn't do anything of note other than tell a modern audience 'don't worry the white guy is just like you not like how your grandparents were'.
@@georgewilliamson5667 bro is big mad over one (1) black person lmao Britain lifted the "colour bar" at the outbreak of WW2, allowing black soldiers to perform (almost) the same responsibilities as white soldiers, and it's far from unbelievable that a black man from Britain itself or one of the *many* British colonial possessions would have found himself fighting alongside the BEF. There were black volunteers from all over the British Empire, some of which coming from military backgrounds themselves. I cannot fathom being so bothered by the presence of a single black person, let alone when there are roughly 4000 white actors and extras throughout the entire scene. It's entirely historically possible and moreover...it's literally a movie LOL.
@@quickhistory5486 Our friend @ivanus here is trying to act all "historically accurate" (despite the fact that as you said while maybe not common it is entirely plausible that a black soldier would be with the BEF) but you and I both know what's going on. Black people make little ivanus uncomfortable. He's pearl clutching.
This film is barely 15 years old, and it already feels like a relic of another (better) era of film-making.
Crazy how a lot of things were better back then. Films and video games being major ones.
Real
I hate movies made after I guess 2010. Only bad writing, comics and politics.
why were they shooting the horses? to eat them or just being azz holes
@@SpaceRanger187 they couldn't transport them back to UK (people could be evacuated by a miracle), just like the vans, so horses were killed in order to Germans don't get them (and use them against UK).
It is surprising how important the role of horses in the WWll still was.
I really love the part where the men are singing, especially the song. It's a pocket of peace in a sea of madness.
It's a hym
Dear Lord and Father of Mankind
It always brings me to peace
@@ehilton96 thank you, I never heard this hym before!
The fact that the Oscars couldn't even manage to give Joe Wright a nomination for Best Director for this film is a travesty. This scene alone warranted a nomination for him. I'm consistently disappointed by the Oscars.
James McAvoy is a truly excellent narrator. I could listen to him speak for hours on end…
Amazing how the musical score matches with the dude's singing.
a masterpiece. JAMES MCAVOY DESERVES AN OSCAR
He does and it's long due ...
More so than Nolan and his dreadful film "Dunkirk."
Certainly made it look a lot more crowded than Dunkirk did. They got four hundred thousand people out of there, Nolan could barely show four hundred. Plus, I like the emphasis on how they have to destroy their own equipment to keep it out of the enemy's hands. The materiel losses of the evacuation put Britain on the back foot something nasty. Got plenty of men out, but vehicles and heavy weapons had to be replaced from scratch.
Your point is? Three months later we beat Jerry in the Battle Of Britain, 18 months later 4th Army kicked Hitler and his cronies out of Africa spread that on your toast and eat it. Has for Nolan he's famous your're not.
@@dinocrank7007 Lol and if it wasn’t for us Americans your little island would have eventually been taken and you’d all be speaking german with the french.
@@514YulJag yup lend lease act american equipment to the rescue.
@@britsareweak Rubbish read history start with Battle Britain and North Africa.
@@514YulJag You Septics jumped in when it suited you.
I was lucky enough to be an extra in this scene, as the white horses rumble past James shoulder after the bandstand scene im sat on a pile of bricks smoking a fake cig! Brilliant 3 days shot at Redcar near where I live.
Wow. I've heard that it's rare to be seen in a film as an extra, due to editing. What a wonderful experience for you in a brilliant film.
How did they shoot this scene with killing the horse? I’m little nervous 😢
One of the most impressive and haunting sequences in British cinema. Dario Marianelli's music here breaks your heart as you remember all those who never made it back and all those who did but were so horribly scarred. The sequence was famously filmed on Redcar beach with the locals as extras. This morning at 9 am (23 11 22) the blast furnace at the steel works that can be seen in the background was demolished by controlled explosion and the last vestiges of Redcar's biggest employer was no more. I guess as well as being an Elegy for Dunkirk this is now an Elegy for Redcar...
Haunting yes that's the word exactly
This is still epic, even 15 years after the release.
You see so many facets of the human condition during a retreat. The dread and desperation, the fear and hopelessness
I was an extra in this scene, just as you see the horses been shot, you see a group of men running across the screen, im wearing the big overcoat near the back of the group. Amazing 3 days i wont ever forget. Filmed in my home town of Redcar, Yorkshire.
That's awesome. One of the most realistic scenes of a war zone I've seen.
Were all the people real or were some dummies/cutouts? How much was CGI? Amazing shot.
@@jlasf Hello, no all the people you see were all real just over 1000 extras. All local people and quite a few veterans who were disabled i.e an arm or leg missing to make it more realistic. Absolutely brilliant 4 days I had on set.
@@markabbott1736 The faces of the soldiers singing amidst the chaos felt so real. Knowing some extras were real veterans added authenticity. It felt more like a glimpse into history than just a film.
@@markabbott1736 Thanks. That's amazing. Unfortunately, people have lost the awe of large crowd scenes because so are many done with CGI. When you watch "Cleopatra" (1963) now, people don't realize 20,000 extras were used.
A personal drama set against the backdrop of a war
How can a scene with only 1000 extras represent the chaos at Dunkirk better than an entire movie with 6000 extras?
An unforgettable scene...masterfully done!!
The Dunkirk scenes in "Atonement" are so much better than the entire film "Dunkirk." Far more accurate and realistic, despite the fact that they make up only about ten minutes of "Atonement", as opposed to the entire film "Dunkirk." The character development is far superior as well.
I have seen "Dunkirk" only once and i never want to see it ever again. Woefully inaccurate. I 100% agree with you. BBC's Dunkirk 3 part documentary from 2005 was much better as well.
Well you also entirely missed the point that character development wasn't the point of Dunkirk
@@Red-Magic Good thing, since there was none in Nolan's "Dunkirk."
I agree. DUNKIRK is easily Nolan's worst film.
@@Red-Magic Unless the film is a documentary, character development is ALWAYS the point. The story is rubbish without it.
Joe Wright depicted Dunkirk better in less than 10mins than Nolan got in 2hrs.
I like Dunkirk for creating a sense of dread and hopelessness as the ordinary soldier would have felt but I agree this scene does a more realistic view of the actual Dunkirk. I like that here there is still some sense of discipline of troops being where they need to be in their own companies and such. As someone who was in the military (Reserves) the first thing you think of is finding your squad, platoon, company, battalion which the main character of Nolan's Dunkirk never did. Very unrealistic.
@@RoninDavenolan is overrated for sure
Actually he didn't, this is just generic war scenario, doesn't seen like what happened in Dunkirk.
I couldn't agree more. Especially given that Nolan had the budget for an entire film about Dunkirk and still couldn't get it right.
@@NCMA29what do u find lacking abt it
I take great pride that the greatest tracking shot in cinematic history was filmed in my hometown
The horses falling down do an amazing job! That is not the way horses naturally lie down or anything.
It took a lot of work by very experienced trainers to get them to do that. One or two of the horses didn't quite understand the scene and still attempt to get up, but it's still impressive.
The greatest scene ever captured on film.
This movie devastated me. The fact that someone could tell a horrific lie- young lady, but old enough to know right from wrong. Utter hole in my stomach. It is so haunting. There was no happily ever after. I have read someone; I am not sure who it was - say that Americans seem to only want films wrapped up nicely with a bow at the end. This film worked precisely because the opposite. What a diabolical thing it was to annihilate someone’s reputation and well-being! His every integrity!!! Hopelessly tragic.
Beautifully choreographed.
Filmed at Redcar Beach in the UK, this is a more realistic Dunkirk beach than the real Dunkirk beach in Christopher Nolans movie.
Were you there during evacuation?
@@TB-su4bz You do not need to live on the moon to know something about the moon. Just watch the original period photographs
@@jimomaha7809 well Jim you are wrong Nolan's is more accurate. Atonement is more dramatic then fact. Photography and my grandfathers recollection would beg to differ
@@TB-su4bz I am from the Netherlands and a local who was in the Dutch army. He flew to Belgium when his unit was overrun. He was with a few other Dutch soldiers he did not know directed to Dunkirk. (He recollects they got a few weird looks as the Dutch uniform was grey.) Still they were taken to Britain. According to him the whole place was devestated and huge amounts of equiptment everywhere. Perhaps the first days on the beach were only a few hundred men.
@@TB-su4bz there were still modern buildings undamaged in many of the scenes in Nolan’s Dunkirk. Even though Dunkirk had been shelled and bombed heavily lol. So much for accuracy
Having done some work in production, this is awe-inspiring. I can't even imagine the months of prep for this day! And simply try to follow the actual steps of the cameraman. He has to go up the steps on the left of the gazebo and down the ramp on the right. I don't even know where to begin to comprehend the number of PA's and behind-the-scenes people who were also running around. All the wardrobe, make-up, etc. My only problem artistically with the shot is that it's SO amazing; it distracted me from watching the movie. I thought, "What an amazing shot!" rather than being IN the movie experience. But that's not a criticism of an unbelievable film achievement.
This scene with Dario Marinelli’s score destroyed me, not knowing what was to come in the Denouement 😩
The use of the wonderful hymn " Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" into this part of his score was unalloyed genius..sure to grip every church-going Protestant's heart
Es una pieza maestra !! de las mejores escenas y direcciones de todos los tiempos .
one of my all time favorites
This is one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen.
A variation of Angels and Angles Worth while Knowing In This Film!!!
@8:15 is pure cinematic tragedy in every sense. 😢💔 Him crying alone, seeing the romantic kiss scene up close and personal. Almost like a taunt as to what he knows he will never experience again.
I've been watching this scene for days. I can't stop. Especially around the part of the singing men.
The destruction and devastation at the beach scene in this movie is by far more realistic than Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk beach scene!
One of the most impressive oners of its era.
This scene is more epic than Dunkirk movie
I saw this in the cinema when it came out, it moved me deeply and it still does ❤
3:02 the 'dead' horses move. Such a careful shot but didn't cut before that
I've read that they didn't have the budget to portray Dunkirk in its totality, but in the book, it was one of the most horrifying episodes I've ever read (and I've read many books in 78 years.)
3 madman in a sea of madness
wow the layer of story Atonemen and Dunkirk 🔥🔥🔥
I feel sick watching this knowing Robbie's fate. 😢
Nolan's Dunkirk seems nothing and bloody lousy when compared to the Atonement.
2:14 Bugger me - that's Edmure Tully, Lord of the Riverlands.
masterpiece
A proper film to be playing on the wall in the bar basement , French director Marcel Carne's Port of Shadows .
I knew he only had two days to film this. And I was wondering if that horse getting up was a mistake? 3:00
Will always remain way better than Nolan's small-scale blah movie
Name of movie running in background at the end?
Le Quai des Brumes, 1938. Actors on screen are Michelle Morgan and Jean Gabin.
@@etrangeetranger7729 Well done! (I have't confirmed it, but sounds convincing!). Translates as 'The Dock of Mists'. Very apt if this is actually Robbie's feverish hallucination/recollection of events.
Looks dramatic. This is war.
Because there weren't enough military boats to evacuate everyone, many British citizens came with their own boats. It was both a horrifying and proud day for Great Britain.
In Nolan’s Dunkirk they portray the beach as only having a few lines of men, and while yes the movie Dunkirk is not just just set on the beach but is split between the rescue boats, spitfires and of course the beach, it’s still pretty lousy that they didn’t show 350000 men on the beach, equipment being destroyed to prevent them being captured as well as doing other things, this feel a lot more real then 6 thousand men just standing in line, this because Nolan wanted real people and not cgi but the end result seems underwhelming because it’s just so small
….. ‘ I’m coming home Mummy.. I’m coming home!’ ….
Why did the horses die ?
So that the German army cant use the horses when they arrive
@@f3lla776 They were stunt horses, it is a film, and the horse are trained to do such stunts. normally they are in cowboy films, but there was not much work this week, so they took a holiday by the sea instead.
They wouldn't have been easy to evacuate and they didn't want them falling into enemy hands. It was incredibly cruel what happened to so many working animals during both World Wars. Even after World War I was over, the British slaughtered thousands of horses to avoid having to transport them.
scorched earh policy - deny your opponent resources. Sometimes, in the past, in a game of Fortnite, I've smashed crates of blue juice and hid discovered legendary weapons even though I didn't need them, to deny my opponents it, and to prevent it being used against me later.
Outside the virtual World of course, war is fucked up and the scene with the horses symbolises that perfectly.
@@nickdunning They did not kill those horses just for a movie right? The shooting might be cgi but the falling is real right ?I need to know that
4:02
Dunkirk aint got nothing on this film
Сокуров лучше всё равно.
Why they shot the horses?
They couldn't get them on the boats and they wouldn't want to leave them for the Germans to use .
Soldados en retirada o derrotados deben destruir armas, municiones y todo el equipo.
99%.
I wonder why thousands of armed soldiers were just standing at the open beach...retreating from the enemy!This clearly shows how sick their superior commands were as well as Stalingrad,thousands of soldiers were charging without any weapons and lost their precious lives!If i were a commander during Dunkirk...i would have led the soldiers towards the city fighting the enemy without just waiting for miracle at the goddamnn beach!
You could have lead the charge and won the whole war........
How is Stalingrad relevant here? The Soviets actually fought the Germans and won. No one was fighting without weapons in Stalingrad. I'm not really sure where you got that from.
@@sirleo5103 During the battle of stalingrad....since the Germans were advancing and keep taking the soviet positions,due to lack of weapons and soldiers,men were told to pick up the weapons and charge the Germans,even the officers take down who are retreating.There is no clear story/information about this but I've heard this somewhere in the past and I think it true about it!Its a little bit similar with 'Enemy at the gates' but since the movie is a fictional story,can't relate dude!
@@xxgaryxx5421 Russians are fighting without weapons in Ukraine right now too so I believe it. Not out of heroism like you're trying to paint though. More due to the ineptitude of Russian high command and how they treat their own soldiers like fodder. This treatment stretches back centuries, and was the case at Stalingrad.
Also, this British retreat won the entire war but alright. Lead the charge next time!
Fluck you for shooting the horses. Hope you didn't make it back.
One of the few videos on your channel that is stripeless and full-screen. Sad.
isn't that the originall aspect ratio
@@bien.mp4
Aspect ratios can be easily changed. But that aspect aside, no matter what your aspect ratio is, you can upload videos on TH-cam stripeless, just omitting the unnecessary ugly-looking black bars against the white background. TH-cam gives you that option, and almost all video editors do.
This proves beyond any doubt that the Oscars are bollocks. Nolan go back to cinema school.
Like most modern movies about historic events, they don’t have the correct “feel” of what actually happened at all. Half of what you just saw only in no way have actually happened at Dunkirk. It is a fantasy version. Soldiers on that beach 80 years ago just did not look or act in the way that this movie suggests.
Okay, so how did they act?
@@TheJOKEY-bk5gc For starters, they were more stoic and subdued.
@@thesheeplewillhavetheirsay7288 What are you basing that on?
That's incredible you were there! Please tell us what it was like!
@@brothelpolitics He has the word "sheeple" in his name.....so wtf could he know about anything
was they any black dude durning dunkirk?
נשים רציניות כבוד הרב שטרנבוך לא שטותיות.
Nolan suuuucks
Sadly, they were horses which were killed for the film. They were old and were going to be put down by the vet no matter what. Horses always have a sad end, as they are worth more standing up than lying down if they are ill. Pet food fctory controls the price in the end.
Its Cgi….
@@justin36004the horse is true, the shooting part is CGI.
Can I get your source on that?
I already spent some time Googling it for another comment asking if horses were killed on set, but couldn't find anything conclusive...All the questions even mentioning the horses are asking "why did the soldiers shoot the horses," etc. However, I didn't dig through interviews or trivia sections, so I'm not ruling its existence out. I really want to know who spilled the beans, so I can go back to the other reply I made and update it.
I guess the horses about to be put down anyways on top of being shot in the head could maybe avoid running afoul of animal cruelty laws...but I have no doubt a lot of people would be enraged at this news and horse lovers would discuss it on social media. The fact I couldn't easily find people talking about it made me more confident that my first assumption (about the horses not being shot) was correct.
There's also the fact that, (1) the horses could've been trained to fall like that, and (2) that was *definitely* a little CGI blood spurt, with no real blood seen before they're (admittedly soon) off camera.
Another reason I assumed they didn't fire real bullets is because of how dangerous it would be to fire live rounds into the forehead of a bunch of horses with people flanking them on both sides. Already film sets do not like having real bullets anywhere near set, much less in a gun, and much less a gun firing multiple times on set! Such a crowded set too, with the added distractions & pressure caused by it being in one take in that location. But mainly, look how close all those people are (as they have to be to control the horse). The shooter is practically pointing the gun in their face! One slip up from the shooter or just the horse shaking its head could mess up everything. (Not to mention how loud all those gunshots going off right next to the horses' *and* humans' ears would be! There's a limit to how much a couple people standing next to a horse can control a horse from moving, especially head/neck movement.)
If it was just one horse, fine. The first horse wouldn't have a chance to react to the gun and the gunman could focus all his effort on standing still, aiming perfectly, etc. Instead, there is a line of horses, and in one take the gunman has to walk along, only giving him a second to stop & aim.
By the last horse, there are still multiple horses left who just had to suffer multiple live rounds being fired next to their ears, with multiple horses dropping dead in their field of view. Yet they don't flinch or show any signs of discomfort based on what I can see...not even in response to the response of the people flanking them, who I suspect would at least subtly react to multiple gunshots being fired THAT close to them.
It's not technically impossible that we don't see the people reacting to live gunfire because they have practice and are far enough away from the camera...but the horses are right next to them, and trained horses are usually fairly good at picking up human cues, even if that's just a flinch or general stress. Which again, I don't know how the humans could avoid, unless they were all deaf? Same with the horses? Even then, though, the sound wave gunshots produce when that close don't just vibrate the inner ear to produce "noise" (according to the brain's perception)...It would still vibrate more of the head & body, and would be rather unpleasant.
I'm still not ruling out that you are correct, and that they found some horses on death row and dangerously shot them in the head in one take while surrounded by humans, and even the biggest horse lovers who have written blogs about being bothered by this scene never found out about it (or, even less likely, found no issue with it just because a professional vet was going to professionally & carefully put the horses down)...
I really want some evidence either way but I can't be bothered to somehow find & then go through every time anyone involved with the film has talked about it on the off chance they mention the horses...since, if they have, I haven't found the clip or comment being cut out and uploaded by itself. Maybe it's buried in some trivia section that links to proof. Whatever the case, if you one day see this reply and can at least point me in a general direction, let me know who you heard it from, I would seriously appreciate it! I took for granted that they didn't shoot any horses until now and I don't want to accidentally spread misinformation...especially if I can find conclusive evidence.
this long take looks so pretentious, I can't help myself, it looks like an operetta, it is very clear that every action is done for the camera. so unnatural.
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In a film its not possible to show every little detail about the war in such little time. This scene was made to feel like theater intentionally. Because films, just like poetry are supposed to show us a lot by saying few words. The spontaneity is not real but the feeling it invokes probably is.
Exactly. Total fantasy.
@@thesheeplewillhavetheirsay7288 No. As above: THEATRE. That is the way this director organises material, as theatre. Please reference the "Anna Karenina" made by the same director, also with Kiera K. 10-15(?) years ago.
you know, sometimes it's OK to indulge in a little fantasy homie
How many black guys were at Dunkirq? And how many were in the regular Army recruited from the UK proper not colonial troops? I'm gonna guess not many. In 1940 the black community in the UK was far smaller than today so the odds of having a black soldier were smaller if we're talking about units recruited from the UK proper. I guess someone said 'he needs a black friend can't have anyone suggest that maybe our 1940 protagonist is possibly a bit a man of his time'. The black guy serves no purpose except that. He doesn't do anything of note other than tell a modern audience 'don't worry the white guy is just like you not like how your grandparents were'.
My boy really feeling pressed by an eight minute scene lmao 🤓
Just shut up dude
@@georgewilliamson5667 bro is big mad over one (1) black person lmao
Britain lifted the "colour bar" at the outbreak of WW2, allowing black soldiers to perform (almost) the same responsibilities as white soldiers, and it's far from unbelievable that a black man from Britain itself or one of the *many* British colonial possessions would have found himself fighting alongside the BEF. There were black volunteers from all over the British Empire, some of which coming from military backgrounds themselves.
I cannot fathom being so bothered by the presence of a single black person, let alone when there are roughly 4000 white actors and extras throughout the entire scene. It's entirely historically possible and moreover...it's literally a movie LOL.
@@quickhistory5486 Our friend @ivanus here is trying to act all "historically accurate" (despite the fact that as you said while maybe not common it is entirely plausible that a black soldier would be with the BEF) but you and I both know what's going on. Black people make little ivanus uncomfortable. He's pearl clutching.
Black man still your girl mate 😂
Joyas como estas desearía verlas como la primera vez, sentir lo mismo una vez más