Between The Buried And Me - The Coma Machine (REACTION!!!)
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Nice pickup on that Opeth riff similarity. Really shows that you're digesting the stuff you're hearing.
Agreed!
It's pretty cool that he picked that up. It made me realize how much that little lick is a nod to the one in Bleak.
yes! yesssss!
It was a perfect show seeing BTBAM play before Opeth on Progressive Nation. Closed out with White Walls, had everyone in the room paying attention even if they clearly weren't there for them.
Lot of similarity with Haken as well on some parts here.
Ok guys, heres the thing about prog: there is no "one thing". Prog is a combination of pretty much every part of music people find hard to listen to. It incorporates odd time signatures, unorthodox song structure, harsh vocals and strange instrumentation. This reason you guys don't "get it" is because no one jumps into prog head first like you guys are doing. Most prog fans started with normal rock, then rock with slightly odd time signatures like "Money" by Pink Floyd. Then they got into harsher and harsher vocals. Then they got into songs that don't follow the conventional structure (this is why some song don't seem to "go" anywhere, sometimes they don't and it's just about the journey.) After you listen to songs with each of these elements in them enough, you just don't notice the weirdness and can appreciate the new world of sounds you can create with these new tools. Prog isn't something you can force yourself into liking because it's just too much weird shit to handle at the same time. If I were you guys I would just continue listening to as many genres as you can and occasionally coming back to extreme prog when you get accustomed to the weird elements of it. Hope this helps, love the videos.
well said. They have listened to some Rush, although other than 2112, not so much the proggy Rush.
But they should give Yes and Genesis (or even King Crimson if they could avoid getting a copyright strike from Bob) a go at some point as well, per they may get more of a sense about what a lot of prog has. The different elements, etc.
So it's like porn. The normal stuff doesn't do it for you anymore and you start getting into weirder and weirder shit.
@pajama muncher, prog is something I listen to sporadic, but you seem to have a good grasp, maybe you/someone could make a playlist, from 70'ish bands, to now, so they get the feel of the evolution of the genre?
Agreed. This is why Cannibal corpse was a bit too much for them. Still a little too early for those directions. Some people never travel that far haha
Good prog usually has a nice payoff. BTBAM never delivers a reward for me, maybe on their first album a bit. I always found this band extremely overrated. Their raw talent is unquestionable, but the vocals are kinda bad on every album, and the math metal aspect seems like a pretentious reason to like it. I really liked the band Prayer for Cleansing which is where some of these guys came from, but they did a 180 turn when they joined this band. P.s. the vocals in this song aren't terrible but there is a lot less screaming in this song than what I remember from their other stuff.
1,000 changes in a song doesn't mean the song is automatically good.
I never thought I would see the day that BTBAM would be on this channel.
ThexCatmanx yes brother! respect for using “BTBAM” that’s how we identify one another....we need to get these gents to listen to Selkies!
I think you guys understand progressive metal well. Btbam is my favorite band. I think if you gave them another chance you'd find some gems. It certainly is a musician's band and the album is a concept theme. You nailed it! It's not for everybody. Thanks for finally posting this band. You are both awesome!
ThexCatmanx lost in Vegas give everyone a chance... that’s my favorite thing about this channel.
FACTS@@RossKnows
they should checkout Protest the Hero who can be considered a bit more accessible, yet still similar in a lot of ways to BTBAM.
I look at prog like Coffee. When you start drinking coffee, you usually have some coffee but mixed with a lot of milk and chocolate, anything to mask the bitterness. But eventually, you might find the sweetness to be overbearing, so you order your coffee with a little less cream, or half the sugar, and you start to taste the coffee itself, and you start to like the bitterness.
maybe you even decide to drink it black, and at first, it'll be crazy bitter. but as you continue to drink it, as well as other blends you start to taste more than bitterness, you can taste the difference between different type of grounds, or notice the how it was brewed, or if it was brewed too long. Eventually, you won't just be able to taste the difference, you'll actively crave and prefer the taste of black coffee to the overly sweetened coffee you used to drink.
If that makes any damn sense...
Quite accurate. This could be applied more broadly to metal as well. I remember a few years ago I just wasn’t into growls and I swore I’d never like it. Now all this time later I’m hankering nearly 24/7 for some old school opeth gutterals
This comment makes so much sense!
This is how I describe metal as a whole to people. I didn't like Kataklysm or Slayer the first time I listened. But damn do I love them now.
This reply wins the internet. Perfect analogy.
BTBAM Is basically one of the most amazing bands of our time. This was a strange song to introduce on.
@@ardiberen It's really accessible. It has a good groove, a chorus (?), and is mostly clean vocals. I always think though, if you want a good introduction to what made BTBAM famous, is something from Colors or TGM, like White Walls, DIM, or Swim to the Moon
Yeah....totally the wrong song. My favorite BTBAM song is “Silent Flight Parliament.” Wouldn’t choose it...maybe “Telos.” I’m sure most fans would choose stuff from Colors.
Agree.
@@mojoredfoot It's one of their most accessible songs. If it was me, I would have suggested starting with Specular Reflection. Because Coma Ecliptic is their softest record yet, doesn't represent completely the BTBAM sound, and to me Colors is not a record to listen to just one song. So the first of Hypersleep Dialogues is a better point of entry than The Coma Machine.
The way to appreciate prog is not to oppose the changes, just roll with it and see where it takes you. I hope this helps.
Exactly! That's why we love it because it keeps us on our toes
Yeah seems like it takes you on journey, certainly if you listen to an entire album.
I think George is closer to "getting it" when he says he stopped trying to find or catch the groove. That it's like an act in a play. Prog metal albums are generally concept albums and best enjoyed as a whole from beginning to end. Each song is a part of a story. It's my favorite genre and there is no way that I would be able to have an opinion on some of these epic prog metal songs with just one listen though. These songs are so complex in their instrumentation and structure that I typically have to listen to them a dozen times to start to "get it" myself. BTBAM's album Colors in my opinion is one of the greatest concept albums ever. I didn't come to this conclusion by listening to it one time though, it took many listens and seeing them live before I can start deciphering the music in my head. That's my opinion at least, and I'm sure many others feel differently.
You are certainly right about "getting it". I've listened to Colors twice now, and still don't like it, but one of my friends who I trust with music tastes thinks it's one of the greatest albums ever. I want to give it more listens though, because I definitely appreciate their efforts. They were amazing live! I think I'll have to give it a few more spins, and hopefully it will click.
@@projectleescape2885 Colors really grabs me around Prequel to the Sequel then through the rest of the album.
Colors is over a decade old now and still boasts infinite replay value. Though, I'd give every album but Alaska that distinction, nearly all of their release hold up well over time. I still watch Colors Live with the same excitement I had first seeing it.
I somewhat agree. For me, this song is very groovy, it's just that there isn't "the groove", the groove changes throughout the song.
Selkies is where you start. Selkies
Gat Mawn BTBAM arose from the ashes of the bands Prayer For Cleansing and the original Undying lineups (Tommy played drums on the first album with the male vocalist). Prayer for Cleansing’s album “Rain in Endless Fall” is a classic metalcore work of art. Definitely holds up over the years with Paul Waggoner’s early guitar work. It has one of my favorite acoustic outros of all time on it and is worth a listen for sure.
SELKIES IS WHERE YOU START
CaptnHampton22 We get it, you guys all like Alaska. Who doesn’t? That album was probably the first big leap in BTBAMs writing and recording quality and it’s a polished classic from start to finish. To be fair though, the original demo had “More of Myself to Kill” which is honestly just as good as any other BTBAM track out there. It’s also got a more simplistic and brutal vibe to it. My point is that if you even go back to the bands that spawned BTBAM, they are also great and you can hear where the band got its original sound (see: Prayer for Cleansing and Undying).
Also, Dave Anthem of PFC, an anarchist, rare book collector, and metal coffee shop owner is a hero. Ya heard? If you don’t know, now you know.
Couldn’t agree more.
That or the entire colors Album
Should revisit the band with "Selkies: The Endless Obsession", it's a much better starting point and a bit of an easier listen.
Bruh. Backwards marathon.
Between the buried and me - White Walls
When no nut November ends lol
Yes!
Yesss I think ants of the sky or white walls are better introduction songs to BTBAM. Much more groove, and better transitions which I know they like
Embrace the BTBAM! Honestly, you're probably never gonna love any BTBAM or prog on first listen. I'm a musician and I rarely appreciate this stuff initially. It's after a few that they really start clicking and I fall in love. To your point, there is SO MUCH going on that it's very difficult to take it all in during one listen. On top of all that, BTBAM albums are usually concept albums that tell a "story" start to finish. In summary, musician or not, it's not easy to randomly pick a BTBAM song, listen once, and give it a fair shake. Props to you guys for continuing to try and get into prog. I recommend you toss an album on repeat during a road trip and then get back to us.
Loved them on my first listen during ALASKA
Yeah man they should listen to Coma front to back even if it is not a video on their channel, just listening to the whole thing will give them a better representation of the band
BTBAM never clicked for me except for their first album a little bit. I was a huge Prayer for Cleansing fan, so I followed those members to this band and was kinda disappointed. The singing is just blatantly awful on every album, and I guess I just don't appreciate the "math metal" aspect of their music. They have raw talent for sure but the song structures are too chaotic and give me a headache.
This is pretty much what I was going to say. Even as a long time prog listener it's pretty rare that I fall in love with a prog album or song on my first listen.
I also think with prog rock/metal you have to listen to an entire album to fully appreciate any one song.
I’m going to do my best to explain how I love and listen to prog:
Great prog songs feature something called recapitulation, which is when a melody or some musical aspect is repeated later in a piece, but it’s changed in some small way. Typically, the pieces will be shown in the beginning of the song, and the pieces will have little commonality with each other. The fun is seeing how those pieces start to fit together in sometimes subtle ways.
To me, listening to prog is like solving a musical puzzle. It’s putting the pieces together to see a full picture. Yes, the musicianship is fun to digest, and often that’s what’s being used to grab your attention at first. But a great prog song’s brilliance cannot be discovered on the first several listens. It takes a little work, but as you become more familiar with what’s going on, it starts to make more sense, and the image becomes clearer. You see the musical nuggets that were dropped at the beginning and see how it fits in later.
Between the Buried and Me is an incredibly tough band to crack, their structure is still making me work. A band that does this perfectly though is Yes. You should do a reaction of them, you’ll understand how recapitulation works by hearing songs like Roundabout, And You and I, and Heart of the Sunrise.
Sorry this comment is super long, but you have to approach prog from a headspace that’s different than looking for hooks and grooves. Hope this helps, love you guys 🤘🏻
I totally agree with what you say here. And, I haven't really heard anyone try to describe prog in this way before. I think the "pieces that form a whole" idea you talk about comes from classical music, where every note is carefully conceived long before it's played.
This reminds me of the first time I heard "Supper's Ready" by Genesis. I was on a road-trip, someone had given me a copy of Foxtrot. I didn't look at the track listing, I was just listening. There were a few good songs, a few parts I didn't really pay attention to. Then, 20 minutes later, I realized I was hearing the same music, just much more powerful. I grabbed the CD case and looked. "Holy hell, this is the same song!?" I immediately started the song over, this time listening to all the movements carefully to see how it all held together. I was seriously impressed. (Then, later, I found online videos of Peter Gabriel performing the song live. It is the musical and artistic representation of being in the presence of god. Truly breathtaking.)
Agree! I say that this kinf of music is like a swiss clock gearing... and you find pleasure in trying to disect it... appreciating every little cog. But it can be very emotional music as well!
Ben Richardson Supper’s Ready is a magnificent example of recapitulation. That moment when you hear the opening melody reprised is the lynchpin of the whole song
This is some /r/iamverysmart shit, but I fully agree. Prog takes time and repeat listens
If you guys want to see these guys play, they made a live studio recording of their song Extremophile Elite, which is amazingly complicated
I've requested that before!!
They have the entire colors album live.
I'd suggest the whole live album of the Parallax II. Jumping into a concept album in the middle would just lose them like in this video.
Or just watch the whole DVD you'd be amazed
@@pv2clifton I've watched that whole thing so many times... it's actually what sold me on the studio album... seeing it played live clicked for me
THIS is what the comments thought was a good starter song for BTBAM? Bruhs... Selkies: The Endless Obsession is a better pick.
Yes
Yeah I don't get why they would choose anything after Colors
Selkies.... or Autodidact!!!!!
Naw fam mordecai is were its at
Yeah this wasn't the easiest listen when I heard it when it came out. Selkies for sure.
React to Between The Buried And Me - Extremophile Elite Live Version. You will be amazed at how good they are live and you can appreciate/understand them better.
Ernesto Reyes Tommys vocals are amazing on that
Watch Between the buried and me's live studio version of Extermophile Elite if you wanna try and appreciate the musicianship a bit more. It might help explain what 'It' is.
Taylor Green I was gunna recommend this too
The idea of 'getting it' means that you are able to step back and listen to all of the pieces of the song and see how they come together as a whole. The truth is that bands like Between the Buried and Me deserve more than one listen to truly grasp the ideas and the mind of the artist. If you guys had listened to their album colors, George would have had the same body language he had in this video. Coma Ecliptic is so much more mellowed out and far less scattered musically than Colors. It even has considerably more melodic singing parts than harsh vocals.
Also, the album is one story and one song is just one large piece of that story with several other pieces within that one piece. Think of these parts in the songs as layers upon layers of intricate musical story telling. The reason you don't 'get it' is because this is so far from normal and general song structures that it forces your mind to process it instead of immediately being able to slot it as something you already know and understand. That in my opinion is what makes this band special and very unique. I also think that is their aim in creating their art. It is complex, yet it is music that does make sense.
The thing about progressive music is that it always brings something new or takes you on a journey into several directions. Eventually every part leads you back to a main theme. The ability to go so far out and come back to a theme is something you guys can appreciate. It is just that progressive metal and rock take longer to get there than your average metal or pop song.
Between the Buried and Me are quoted as saying "...we are grateful for the ability to make music that isn't normal."
I'm grateful for such unique music. It has it's place and I think with more listens you'll come around just like you have on so many other styles of music you've heard on your channel. I've been rockin with you guys from the beginning! Keep up the great work guys! Peace!
This guy nailed 'it'. ........ see what I did there?? 🤣 But really though, well put.
@@AtrueDjentleman I see that! Haha. Thanks man. You have an awesome usernname man!
Thanks dude!
Regarding how to listen to prog: at first level, you develop a cerebral joy hearing complex interplay/dissonant combinations of instruments. On an other level, the song should internally re-arrange in your mind into an impressionist ensemble view from where you not only hear what is played from moment to moment, but also you begin to sense an overarching sonic landscape which is also a landscape of feelings.
So basically you have two layers: one is the acquired taste to enjoy complexity (its similar to how you enjoy grooves, the two are not mutually exclusive, but complexity can be itself enjoyed just like grooves can for their own sake), the second is the ability to let the music transcend the sum of its parts (requires multiple listens) and then even the parts themselves gain another level of meaning.
Plus you have to listen to prog over and over again: one of its strengths is, that the compositions are almost inexhaustible, each time you re-listen a good prog song/album, there will always be some new detail, some hidden harmony, some overarching theme you missed before.
I was gonna write a reply to their question, but there's nothing I can add to yours, well done!
Guys really need to hear Dystopia by Tesseract. The groves are rich and transition seamlessly without sharp changes in melody.
or
Of Matter, live at Sphere Studios! That version of that song is my fav thing they've done!
That's trying to squeeze 3 songs into one video though, not really fair.
@@paravarium *shhhhhh :-P
I would love to see this.
They need to hear Tesseract so much
Karnivool - New Day, Simple Boy or All I Know.
It's a little progressive, but still very palatable. I assure you will both enjoy any of these songs. New Day in particular.
Have you guys ever considered reacting to full albums? Because Colors record would be a definite must everybody has to hear!
Btbam is a musicians band. It is definitely not for everyone ESPECIALLY first time listeners.
@@davydoomz there’s gotta be a first time anyone listens to BTBAM though 🤔
The Mars Volta - Drunkship Of Lanterns
I would love them to listen to the Mars Volta but honestly they are so hard to get into on the first listen of any song
@@CFlo3 Yeah I know what you mean, but with this one as first song I hope they would catch on how electrifying the groove is, and I think it's a different prog that they haven't heard yet and won't hear anywhere else.
Yes
YES!
I enjoy BTBAM when I’m just listening to music, but they’re not an easy band to get into. I’ve seen them live multiple times and it’s always an overload for me. Way too much going on. It’s a lot to take in, and that was written all over your faces. Prog is difficult, yet rewarding. Hoping you guys will get into Leprous soon! They’re more accessible than most prog bands, in my opinion.
And no, you can’t catch a groove with most prog. The time signatures are atypical and abrupt. (I’m not a musician, but I’m USED to it. You’ll get there.) For those who say you don’t “get it”, that’s elitist bullshit. I’d prefer to say maybe you weren’t ready. But there’s no way to BE ready for it unless you’re exposed to it.
I've been trying to get these guys to listen to Protest the Hero for a long time, another accessible prog metal band that's amazing
Well said
Finally someone gets it! And coming from someone that's not a musician as well! Very well said and worded.
You bring up a great point, I think when people get used to bands like BTBAM and are fully adjusted to the screaming and growling - they stop trying to figure out what all the different musical shifts represent and just BE in the moment and enjoy the journey. Of course as humans we always try to explain and interpret. But as in life, it’s about the journey and not the destination. I think there being no clear reason or meaning behind the misdirects is the point. Just let yourself go and hold on for the ride. Must be tough for a reaction video format though because of the natural dialogue that happens with the audience.
They are my favorite band listen to the primer
I think the "getting it" thing relates to the way you approach listening to a piece of music. The most common way people listen to music is to try a to relate to the emotion of the song (compare it to watching a romance movie or a feel good movie). People who "get" prog approach it as an experience more akin to watching an mystery film (plot twists and foreshadowing) or and action movie (conflicts and resolutions). In your reactions to a lot of the J.I.D. songs you point out how impressive it is that he can switch up his flow creatively in the middle of a verse and several times in the song. Think of prog music as "switching up the flow" with song structures and time/feel changes. BTBAM fans love when they are completely surprised by something the band decides to do in the context of the song.
Brandon Rohrbach we gotta show them some Contortionist
@@-salley879 I think they would dig Reimagined or Intuition
Haken - Cockroach King
Or Haken - Pareidolia
I second this, The Good Doctor would be a good choice for these guys, short-ish, fast and fun song.
@@DanielSantosAnalysis But the song good doctor doesn't show anything Haken is capable of, I wouldn't go with that.
@@stellar1016 The thing is, these guys are still new to prog, ya gotta ease them in, can't just throw the crazy stuff at them. The Good Doctor I think its a good balance of being a fun and fast song that's easy to get into, but still has that prog element influencing the sound.
@@DanielSantosAnalysis I just listened to both the songs cockroach king and the good doctor again, I think both the song will do, but cockroach king is more of what haken does as a band and its not much complex either u can groove to it. But I think most of Haken songs would do I think they dont have a bad song imo. But I get your point.
I listened to metal for 10 years before BTBAM made sense to me. Everyone is different. But when it did, it was a glorious day. Now Colors is definitely in my top 10 albums of all time. Parallax II is amazing too. Good to see them being thrown into it.
Started listening to metal as a young kid, when I turned 20 I enlisted in the Air Force and a guy I got roomed with in tech school played me Colors. I think it was shortly after it was released. Right around 2008. It took me like a year or so of having a copy of it on my iPod at the time until I even started enjoying most of it. Eventually I became obsessed with it. The new one is also fantastic, obviously.
The Contortionist - Intuition
or
Cynic - The Space For This
Very spacy prog metal that doesn’t have as many of the jarring transitions that sometimes put you guys off. Cheers!
This!!!!!
+1 for Cynic, but everyone knows Evolutionary Sleeper is the best
Yes.
Awesome suggestions
Gotta do the full language though. Intuition AND conspire together.
The Dillinger Escape Plan- Symptom of Terminal Illness
DEP!? That's a bold suggestion. Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants could work, as well. Predominately in 4/4 and arguably one of their less erratic or experimental tunes.
Great band suggestion, for sure.
They are doing Farewell Mona Lisa soon!!
I have to try lol
There's several songs that could work. Would just love to see em check DEP out
When I lost my bet
This IS a concept album and the lyrics are very confusing outside of the context of the concept. I can see why they may have struggled with the lyrics.
I feel like I'm repeating myself. Ryan/George need to listen to "Suck Out the Poison."
The entire damn thing.
And honestly even when Tommy explains it, its super unclear lmao
If you want to understand the mindset of Between the Buried and Me, you should listen to White Walls off of the Colors album.
Before Colors, they were your typical hardcore metal band playing tours like ozzfest at 2 in the afternoon to small crowds. They decided that they wanted to write an album that would guarantee they would never have to do that again and allow them to start headlining their own tours. The product of that mindset was Colors, and the lyrics in White Walls (the album's closing track) completely sum up their opinions about prog and music in general today.
Colors is considered a prog metal masterpiece. It's a much heavier but groovier feel than the coma machine. You guys would dig it.
But thanks for visiting BTBAM, and I REALLY hope you guys give them another shot.
Btbam were never a hardcore metal band lol. They've been prog with metalcore influence.
did you forget about Alaska? That is just as progressive as colors
1 they were metal core influenced with prof. Period then they became masters prog metal masters!!! Also, Alaska is not in the level of Colors not even close. I love Alaska but that’s just nonsense.
"Hardcore metal". I think you mean metalcore. And they were still progressive back then.
Alright, to all the genre Nazis missing my point but feeling the need to correct me, pre-2004 BTBAM was a metalcore band with prog influences. Alaska, and specifically the addition of Dan Briggs IMO, brought out more of the prog. And they solidified their sound over the last decade beginning with Colors.
We all happy here?
I was SOOOOOO happy to see BtBaM in here. I have been requesting them since u guys were at 5k subs. Although, I was suggesting "Goodbye to Everything/Astral Body". I still think it would have been a more palatable intro to the band. Coma Ecliptic, like most of the band's albums, is a concept album...tells one story over the course of the album, so George hit that on the head. Out of context, the songs may seem disjointed. This band is best listened to start to finish. Personally, I think kicking back and devoting an hour or two to watching "Future Sequence: Live at the Fidelitorium" th-cam.com/video/XM4tNCQbInU/w-d-xo.html would be a fantastic way to get into these guys. They play an entire album from start to finish (including the songs I've been requesting) live, in an intimate studio setting. A great showcase of their skill and songwriting/composition. Having a lyric sheet handy to follow along with the story can't hurt, either. Because these are STORIES, with logical progression...Context, conflict, climax, closure, conclusion. "Get lost in the musicianship"...Again, you hit that right on the head, Ryan. Prog is MEANT to get lost in, to put aside what you're doing and let it take you away. It's like a sonic movie...It's not the soundtrack to the movie, it IS the movie. "Between the Buried and Me" comes from the lyrics of the Counting Crows song, "Ghost Train", btw.
Goodbye to Everything/Astral Body is a pretty good shout for an intro to them actually, even though it's not a particularly representative song.
@@jamma246 Exactly. The shorter length and (fairly) linear song structure is easier to digest for those who don't constantly listen to Prog. Just like "Pull Me Under" would have been a MUCH better intro to Dream Theater than "Metropolis". Again, that's not a very representative song, but one that would have gone over better
*Agalloch - In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion*
Make sure to filter by HD and watch in HD.
PLEASE and thank you.
They have a really good blues song called Desert of Song. Its phenomenal and surprisingly random, considering what you just heard. I'd recommend checking that out, truly beautiful piece of music.
Tame impala - Let it happen. You won't be disappointed.
Apocalypse Dreams too !
I would suggest "New Person, Same Old Mistakes". That's the first song I heard from them, and I had to hear more afterwards.
It's a good song, but it's a bad starting point for Tame Impala has been and how they've evolved.
You guys need to listen to Rivers of Nihil - The Silent Life
That song is fire, good metal groove, some prog and believe it or not a goddamn saxophone solo.
Bro I didn’t even know that many people know about them. They live like 15 minutes from me in Reading PA and do shows there all of the time
FYI, this album is technically a 'rock opera/concept album. So it is very much like a 'soundtrack' or one act of a play, so to speak. But the idea of progressive music is to progress past the standard pattern of popular music. Tell a deeper story, use unfamiliar patterns or time signatures, and - sure - show off a bit of technique or prowess/talent. There's definitely a groove at certain parts of prog songs. There's just a lot of transitions and patterns you need to "map" out after listening before you settle into that groove. Whether there is odd time signature patterns that aren't the normal 4/4 beat, or sections that don't have a groove but are just moving the story of the song along, you can nod your head once you know what's happening.
Please do your top 10 albums of the year. I want to see what albums you've enjoyed this year.
great idea!
What people mean by getting it is when you can enjoy the music without needing a groove. You guys don't need to learn an instrument to like this type of music. The weird and odd parts that you guys don't like, other people do. When you guys are listening you are forcing yourself to find the groove and find the rythm but sometimes with prog you just need to let go of that part of the way you listen to music. I would recommend Polyphia for some prog metal that I think anyone could enjoy, especially their new album.
Between the burrried and me -extremophile elite. It's the first song I hear from them and make me instant fan
Hope you've dived into earlier material by now.
Same here
The whole thing about prog is, that it indeed sounds "appealing" to many music fans. Prog music wants to be innovative, fresh, virtuos, sparkling, inspirational - all the things you " just appreciate" sound indeed "appealing" to a prog fan. It makes us kind of euphoric to listen to that level of musicianship. Also, you can get lost in the complexity of the music. "Exploring" this kind of songs is half the fun for prog fans. Your access to music is a different one, which is totally fine. You two have a hip hop background, where music should sound initially smooth and appealing. Maybe thats what people mean with "you don't get it". But not everyone needs to "get" every style of music. There are also many music styles which prog fans don't get at all. And it's totally fine. ;)
They're already comparing things to Opeth tracks by name. Their power level is rising exponentially folks.
Except he named the wrong Opeth song :p The riff is similar to a riff in Bleak ;) So maybe exponential is a bit much but its a great start :o
Pleaaaase do some Protest the Hero. Literally any song
Heretics and killers
Especially anything from Volition. Aside from not getting the "we are still life reference" the lyrics are easier to grasp than something of BTBAM caliber. Equally as gripping instrumentals and Rody is a vocals is be shocked if they didn't love.
Gotta push this suggestion hard on the next poll!
Not any song
Scurrlious and volition albums are a bit more digestable
I have been asking them about Protest the Hero since the first months of their channel! Bloodmeat is the song with more views on TH-cam but maybe C'est la vie might be better digestable. Please guys do a review on Protest the Hero!!!
Not a Sandwich yes! Anything from Kezia!
Great I love BTBAM, is not their best song but it's a good one to start.
I hope you react to Native Construct - Mute or The Dear Hunter - The Tank someday. Love you guys.
If they're not ready for BTBAM, they are certainly not ready for Native Construct
Native Construct! I thought noone knew that band! Have you listened to OMB "SwineSong"?? you might like them!
Live the dear hunter
Love
RIP Native Construct :'''(
Extermophile Elite (live) will definitely allow you to appreciate the musicianship, and blow you away. I think watching them play it live is a great idea to understand more of what's going on
Nice, finally starting to see more Mars Volta requests in here, of course "Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus" is still the way to go. I don't play any instruments fwiw, unless you count Rock Band drums, which I think I will. Happy new Year.
James Mac inertiatic or cicatriz would be good too
GOAT by Polyphia
Try this one out
FreshJawSlap I second this
Polyphia has been gradually developing their sound to into a unique blend of progressive instrumental music, trap, and funk. They’re really setting themselves apart and are great live.
GOAT or OD off of their new album would be a good listen
Fr
That song slaps
My shit!
Nevermind, listening through with you guys I think this is a much better starting point for BTBAM than Selkies or something off Colors would've been. I do hope you guys revisit them and review some of their most celebrated material later on. Props for bringing them onto the channel in the first place though!
Really, the best would have been Condemned to the Gallows or another tune from Automata... It may not representative of BTBAM's sound to us fans, but it's probably way more easy to digest than 90+ percent of their catalog.
You said that with music, you either like a song, or you don't. And I can not disagree more. For example with prog songs, I have been listening to prog religiously for more than 7 years, yet till this day, rarely have I ever "liked" a song from the first listen. Because liking a prog song is a learning process. The complexity of the music and how detailed it is dictates that 1 listen is simply not enough to appreciate the song. Especially these guys. Btbam.. They are very complex and they have so many ideas in their songs that sometimes it's very difficult to appreciate the musicianship. Every thing they do is just so tight, so perfect. And from 1 listen, are these details and feelings will fly right over the casual listener's head. With me.. I typically remember a riff, or a chorus that I like from a prog song, and it sticks in my head, so then I come back to the song and listen to it again.. Then I pick up another feeling, a riff, a drum filling, a bass slide that I enjoyed so much so that I repeat the song again.. Then I picked up another detail.. And it just goes on and on.. And you keep finding things you never paid attention to at the first list. So liking a prog song at the first listen is almost impossible.. You have to give the song more listens and maybe then you'll "get it". Prog teaches you to not judge the book by it's cover. Prog teaches you to look for the genius in life. Love from Iraq!
I completely agree. Right off the bat I thought of course they wouldn't like it, it's very complex and takes multiple listens to become familiar with the dense compositions and start finding them catchy. Whereas a simple song gets boring after too many listens and complex song usually gets better.
Similar to a complex poem, you may need to really dissect it to appreciate it more and the more time you spend with it the more you will love it for the rest of your life.
I can't agree more. My advice to @lostinvegas would be to take this song, listen it once or twice on a daily basis for 10 days and review how it has grown on you.
Regarding how to listen to prog: at first level, you develop a cerebral joy hearing complex interplay/dissonant combinations of instruments. On an other level, the song should internally re-arrange in your mind into an impressionist ensemble view from where you not only hear what is played from moment to moment, but also you begin to sense an overarching sonic landscape which is also a landscape of feelings.
So basically you have two layers: one is the acquired taste to enjoy complexity (its similar to how you enjoy grooves, the two are not mutually exclusive, but complexity can be itself enjoyed just like grooves can for their own sake), the second is the ability to let the music transcend the sum of its parts (requires multiple listens) and then even the parts themselves gain another level of meaning.
Plus you have to listen to prog over and over again: one of its strengths is, that the compositions are almost inexhaustible, each time you re-listen a good prog song/album, there will always be some new detail, some hidden harmony, some overarching theme you missed before.
@@derekd1997 I love your complex poem analogy, will use it in the future.
You NEED to do Zeal & Ardor. Mix between black metal and slave chants. Blood in the river is a good starting song
PigeonSlayer666 YES
I recently discovered them and haven't stopped listening to them. I second this one big time.
Huge prog fan here and BTBAM is probably my favorite band. I've been eagerly awaiting the day you guys react to this group, but I have to be honest, I was super disappointed you chose this song.
It's a boring song. Plain and simple. I don't like listening to it either, and I agree with George that it's an exhausting listen. People thought it would be a good introduction for you two because it's relatively calm, with easy to digest transitions and they kept the growling at a minimum. To me, it's a boring song. Now I'm convinced we won't see another BTBAM song on this channel and that's really a shame.
I'm sure this comment will get buried and I don't know if either of you will read it, but please try not to place your decision on a song based upon it being a "good introduction" to the band going forward. BTBAM fans don't even like this song. So why the hell would we want you to listen to it? It's the opposite of a good introduction. It's a bad first impression.
If it were up to me, I'd have thrown you guys to the wolves and had you react to All Bodies, which really encapsulates what this band is about. You might not have liked that song either, but at least you'd be getting pure, peak BTBAM. I just don't understand this philosophy of providing baby steps for first time listens of a band. You guys have been listening and grown used to metal for a while now. I think you both get it. We have to stop with this introductory crap and give you guys the prime work of these artists to react to.
Hope you guys give BTBAM another shot.
While I agree with you to an extent, introductory songs can be helpful. An example is how much better they reacted to Dream Theater's 'As I Am' than 'Metropolis Pt.1'.
@@ohacade408 I actually did think about that and you're right. That being said, I think they would have reacted positively to other prime Dream Theater songs, like Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison (though I'm sure they'd find parts of it exhausting), The Mirror, and Home. Metropolis is too story driven for a positive first reaction. Truthfully I don't care much for it for that reason. And for that reason, they'd probably have a negative reaction to the majority of 2112 by Rush.
Not everyone wants to sit around and digest a musical piece from every angle. Next time we need to throw them All Bodies by BTBAM, and if they don't like it, I'll gladly eat crow.
Eh, totally disagree. Coma Machine isn't their best song but it's still pretty damn good.
I think it's a fantastic song. It's not as heavy as their other songs, but it's still a great tune.
@@BoySamusMetroid to each his own. I certainly don't care about how heavy the song is. That's not why I think this song is boring. Memory Palace is a better song, in my opinion.
You guys are right that there's an emotional element to the music. This album was a written around a concept and the mood of the music fits each song's part of the story. The best way to get into a concept record is to sit down with the lyric book and go from start to finish. It gives you an appreciation for the whole piece as the band wrote it and of course you get to unravel the awesome story. The songs on concept records are ultimately what you listen to and have to like but the stories give it that emotional attachment that makes us love them
Awesome review boys, you've learned so much since 1+ years ago!
Give Caligula's Horse a try. They are a very listenable progressive metal band with a virtuoso guitarist and lead singer with the voice of a God!
Also mudvayne would be funny to see your review (Dig/Nothing to gein)
Really want them to listen to Rust or Moments From Ephemeral City
Yes! Fill my heart!!
I second CH
Love Atlas by Caligula's Horse
Graves is a long song, but it's absolutely godlike.
Devin Townsend Project - Grace
Or Gump !!!
I want to see George react to the double bass on Ziltoidia Attaxx
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
LEPROUS FFS!!!! I been sayin' this for months!!!!!
yup me too ^^
Passing is a great song from them.
Honestly, from the flame or the price would be the easiest for people outside of prog. They are proggy but easily diagestible by newcomers. Then they could try themselves on something like forced entry
Oh man they need to react to boneville, stuck, mirage or maybe something older from them.
Oh yeah Leprous have some prog groovy shit these two gents would appreciate, right?
They should have started with the song Selkies: The endless obsession... You had one job...
TESSERACT - Of Matter (Live at Sphere Studios). Awesome stuff! Keep it going!
I upvoted but concealing fate>>>>of matter
They’re playing with BTBAM next month...probs gonna hit that up!
@@ramirof1986 I strongly recommend it. They are solid live.
In terms of getting prog, it's easier if you understand time. You're interested in hearing things in four, but there are grooves in groupings of 5, 7, 6, 9, 11, all that, and as a drummer who has played this type of music, I can pick up grooves in those counts, and stuff in four has become boring.
Jacob Josefsberg Or music as an art is subjective and what appeals to one person may not appeal to another.
@@raoulduke3770 They asked directly to all their prog fans why we're so into it and how to better understand it and I gave my subjective answer. So your statement is completely useless.
Jacob Josefsberg relax, I wasn’t attacking you
I can see where OP is coming from. The issue here in making the genre palatable for these folks is that they ARE acclimated to 4/4. There are plenty of songs by numerous prog metal bands that still push the envelope but are more heavily rooted in a 4/4 groove. I think song suggestions of the vein would certainly be a more suitable introduction. I've been a prog musician for quite some time as well, and throwing a 9/8 at someone use you head nodding to 4/4 is gonna be a challenge.
YES!! BTBAM! Let’s get some more. I think you guys would like Polyphia, they have the grooves you seek.
First song I heard from them was live when on tour with DT and Opeth about 10 years ago. Ants of the Sky was the first song they played, and I've been a huge fan ever since. I would definitely recommend that song too. First time I heard Opeth too, so it was a great night!
I'm really glad you finally checked out BTBAM. They are in my top 10. I hope you go back further and check out Selkies: The Endless Obsession. I appreciate your opinions and I sometimes think that some of the peeps who say "you don't get it" are dissapointed that you don't like what they like. That being said, I totally agree that this is a musician's band and genre and not everyone is "going to get it. " Thanks for what you do. I really enjoy these videos.
Definitely not the first song I would’ve reacted to. 1. Selkies or mordecai
At The Gates "Slaughter of the Soul"
In Flames "Food For the Gods"
Hatebreed "Doomsayer"
You guys are reasonably wondering what the "get it" means from the prog community. while I wouldn't use the phrase "they just don't get it" I understand how its being used. If you take BTBAM for instance you guys actually did pick up on a lot, especially in the lyricism. Coma Ecliptic is a concept album so it inherently follows a theme and a story. In this sense each song is only partly representative of the whole concept and doesn't necessarily give the full picture. The song Coma Machine is at the start of the album, the lyrics "my last exhale...." and "knees crash down on" are a foreshadowing of what happens later in the 'story'. In the final songs Option Oblivion/Life in Velvet, the lyrics are completed to say "my last exhale is purple smoke" and "knees crash down on velvet ropes". The lyrics build upon themselves as the story/album progresses, musical concepts also repeat themselves and evolve throughout the album as they revisit certain guitar riffs or patterns that call back to previous songs. BTBAM is very good at creating complete package albums that come full circle and often end how they begin. The difficulty with Prog music in general is that individual songs don't always hold up so well by themselves and are best appreciated as a part of the package. The whole "Meta" of Progressive music is that it is trying to bridge a gap between modern music and classical/symphonic music, not necessarily in sound but in the approach to writing and structuring the music. In this way The Coma Machine is simply the introduction to an experience that is structured in a way that assumes that you will listen to the whole album start to finish in a single sitting the same way you would see a movie or watch a play. The difficultly in recommending Prog songs is the same difficulty that comes from trying to recommend just one scene from a movie that encapsulates the whole experience. watching one scene from a movie might tease you about the plot, the style, or any aspect of the movie but wont give you the full experience of actually watching the movie. Its the same thing with most Prog music, you can get a feel for what the album is like listening to a song, but the real experience is in listening to the whole album.
basically you should just go ahead and do a full BTBAM album review lol (wishful thinking)
@@zackaun5225 exactly
Agree! Full album review 😍
You have to listen to this album end to end, its a journey man. Taking this song out of context is a little tough (but I love it). I agree that Selkies is a good place to start for BTBAM.
Side note, I watch a lot of live music and I consider BTBAM one of the greatest live performances. No massive stage gimmicks, just a full set of straight music with a tremendous amount of energy and a clean sound. They are not my favorite band, but one of my faves to see live.
I saw them live, and they were insanely theatrical without using a single prop. It was quite the spectacle, and before that performance, I wasn't quite a fan. They're one of those bands imo that isn't truly appreciated until you've seen them live.
BTBAM has been my favorite band for well over 10 years. Seen them live at least 10 times as well. They play flawlessly live and are definitely a show I recommend going to if you've never seen them before! Cheers, and Happy New Year!
Cockroach King by Haken
Omg this.
Power Trip - Executioner's Tax (Swing of the Axe) !!!
The best thrash metal song of this decade!
Dance Gavin Dance! "Inspire the Liars" is a good starter song for their current member lineup.
Yeah for sure. That’s the first song I heard by them and I got hooked
Been stuck on DGD lately, just couldn't decide which song if want them to react to most!
After this vid I just listened 2 entire album on a long car ride and,,,,,,,,, wow u really have 2 listen 2 whole album, it is amazing!!
The reason that I love prog is that, to me, good prog is like a good film. For me, good prog is unpredictable and feels like a journey, or just creates an amazing atmosphere you get lost in, like music from Steven Wilson and Opeth. That's what gives it the replay value for me, their album Colors is probably their best example of this as they trailed a bit with this album. Prog is written in albums more than it is in individual
songs
Thanks for getting to btbam, they do have a great live video of them performing a song called Extremeophile Elite
The way to "get" prog music is by understanding what the musicians are trying to do with the music, they are adding layers to the music and turn arounds that you normally wouldn't find in a song to make it more interesting and unique. Comparing it to a play is actually very accurate, I'm not a musician myself so it was VERY hard for me to get into the music. It took a fair amount of listens for me to get into the sound of particular bands, but whenever you DO start to appreciate the music, it's much more entertaining and fun to listen to then you would expect. The more you listen to a prog song, the more you understand what the musician is trying to do and it becomes less and less of a clusterfuck of rhythms and noise. The music starts to turn into an actual work of art and transcends the quality of average music. If you don't want to go out of your way to listen to a song more than once, then it's best to assume that prog music will never be for you.
Mr. Bungle - Goodbye Sober Day
If you wanna see a good live performance of their music, check out Extremophile Elite
Allegaeon- Proponent for Sentience III- The Extermination or Rivers of Nihil- Where Owls Know my Name.
Black Sabbath - N.I.B
It's not that you dont get. But instead of watching the entire film, it's like just watching a 7-minute movie clip. IMO lot of prog albums must be digesting as a whole.
Yes!!!!! I think all BTBAM fans would recco Selkies: The Endless Obsession first, with Mordecai being a somewhat close second. But thank you for this one!!
Mordecai is my favorite, but I agree. Start with Selkies
both much better suggestions. who suggested this as a starting point? must be new to BTBAM.
John it’s tough for me - both songs give you such different things, but definitely top 2 by a long shot. If there is anything we have learned as BTBAM fans, it’s that those who continue to listen are handsomely rewarded!
@@RossKnows that's my thought as well, you don't get the great range of Tommy's vocals until the end of Mordecai, but it's absolutely chilling.
Will L I think if these guys went straight mordecai the screaming would be an instant turn off. But to be fair - mordecai is the song that ALWAYS gives me chills, even just typing about it
Thanks for the straight up reaction, I appreciate how straight up and honest you guys are. I'm not sure how to describe what "IT" is that you're not getting, but I'll give my opinion...I feel that most modern popular music tends to stick to common key signatures and time signatures, because they are very familiar. I'll use the example of time signatures. Most pop songs are in a 4/4 time signature which is very easy for most people to follow and "groove" to, however a lot of prog songs tend to change up the time signatures on the fly causing the average listener to loose the groove (even hardcore prog fans will lose the groove upon first listen, but will appreciate it upon further listens when they can predict the transition). I think the key is to learn to find the groove in different time signatures. For example: Find a song that's in an odd time signature and listen to it a few times until you can groove to it. A great one for you guys to try is "Seal : Dreaming In Metaphors" as it's in a 7/8 time signature for the entire song, but has a solid groove I think you could easily follow. Do this again for as many different time signatures as you can find, and soon you'll begin to be able to groove to even the most complex prog songs...or not, maybe I'm just full of it...
Anyway, I would love to see you guys react to Epica - Design Your Universe
“Maybe we should just start playing instruments”. You guys just had a breakthrough! Do it!
BTBAM - VOICE OF TRESPASS
PLEASE
Just commented a bit ago how I thought this would have been a better starting point. Great suggestion.
AND the grid. I always listen to both songs together. They are amazing
Thomas Schumann I’m not disagreeing at all, I actually got into BTBAM because of Automata I & II, my favorite songs being “Voice of Trespass” and “The Proverbial Below”, and I think that if they’re looking for Prog metal that pushes the boundaries of what “metal” is, and adds a new unique spin (because let’s be honest, they haven’t really listened to a lot of deviation when it comes to prog metal), then I really think they would like “Voice of Trespass” a lot more than this
that would be very interesting. Apart from Selkies, I can only see them liking some songs from Automata.
Swim to the Moon. Easy half hour video 😂
Keen for this vid.
Architects - Gone with the Wind
August Burns Red - Hero of Half Truth
Protest the Hero - Dunsel
Excellent choices but I would have to go bloodmeat for protest
Dunsel or tidal
Hell, almost any Protest the Hero. Especially something from Volition. Definitely seems like something they'd enjoy having such a groove oriented perspective while still trying to branch out.
Maybe Drumhead Trials. Very thrash-like in its writing style and they've shown an appreciation for thrash. Even at it's most complex the song still has a cadence to it one can easily nod their head to.
Invisible Enemy is better August Burns Red song for them.
These guys definitely need to check out architects soon, I think they will be big fans
If commercial music is driving down the interstate, straightforward with easy ins and outs, progressive music is the scenic route that explores all nooks, curves, and stops. It's an immersive sound that's supposed to take you as far off the beaten path as you can go, but it still gets you to the destination.
To answer your question, the whole album is a concept about a guy in a coma and what he experiences. Now, you should listen to "Millions" because I think you will find it a much easier listen and you'll enjoy it.
I think "Millions" would've been a WAY better first listen choice. I used to "not get" these guys, but gave them a few listens and now I really appreciate just how amazingly talented this group is.... everything. The lyrics, singing, guitars, bass, drums, literally everything. Give them another shot!
Thorns of Crimson Death - Dissection
Id really love to see you react to Between the Buried and Me- Extremophile Elite (live) its from a dvd they put out and they played an entire album start to finish live. It would let you see just how amazing the instrumental work really is.
Between the buried and me - disease injury madness
This is a great song but I don't think theyll like this one at all.
Amazing song! but if they found this one exhausting..... xD
@@denniskipp4350 maybe, or maybe not. This song can cause someone to loose attention to the song just like Ryan said it almost did. Disease is, dare I say it, more catchy(?) if you can say that about a btbam song lol
This is a concept album. All the songs connect and flow into each other to tell the story of a character who is in a coma. They played this album in its entirety live & released it as a Blu-ray/DVD & audio cd all for 20 bux.
What I've slowly noticed when you guys react to metal (especially metal that is diving deeper into prog type of things) is that the definition of "groove" to Ryan and George almost limits how you can vibe and "get" the song. And for a moment I almost thought that I was biased because I'm a musician, but I have to remind myself that there is a HUGE following for BTBAM that aren't musicians, but they're metalheads. The reason I bring up that they're metalheads is because they've learned how metal "grooves" and how groove can be found in different tempos and even in different time signatures. We've been subconsciously told for the better parts of our lives to understand groove in the common feel (4/4) and when that deviates, it almost triggers a "wrong" type of feeling. So in a nutshell (without too many more tangents), in metal there are different tempos and different time signatures (that most metalheads can acclamate to on the fly) and within each tempo there are ways of "feeling the groove" so to speak. The biggest example is towards the beginning when the song finishes the section with singing and piano only, and then starts the screaming portion. In that scenario, the tempo changed. And the feeling or "where the groove is at" is the snare drum. Now I know that that sounds like a musician way to explain it, but if you know any metal people, you'll know that they'll bob their head to whatever is the "constant" for that section in order to feel the groove and to understand what it is they're listening to. And it usually happens without them needing to know that it's because of the snare drum(or cymbal etc.). Once you can wrap your head around that idea as a whole, then it turns into "the morjority of this song grooves". And I think that THAT, is probably the biggest form of understanding that can benefit not only you two individually, but for more people that are getting into metal and prog. I used to hate the constant pausing, but I admit that it helps us understand where you're coming from as opposed to you not pausing and then giving a simple "yes or no" at the end of the reaction and calling it a day. I hope I helped in some shape or form, because there is so so SO much groove in metal. It just has to be felt under a different lense and with faster headbobbing(banging).
Oh, and live videos/music videos can help you feel the groove too since you can watch how some of the musicians feel the groove by watching.
Cheers :D
Between the Buried and Me - Extremophile Elite Live would be a great video to watch for the live aspect of prog and BTBAM!!
My guess is going to be wayyyyy too progressive lol
Yesss!!!! Do more Between the buried and me please! Every song and album is different.Do white walls next!.
Arguably one of the best closing tracks for any of their albums to date.
@Dexy Chan you too pal! I wouldn't have suggested this one for them though. I don't know who thought that was a good idea.
@@SuicidebyYourMom Agreed!!!
White Walls has the most beautiful last 5 minutes BTBAM have written.
It's a pleasure to continue watching you guys continue to explore all these different genres. Even when you're way out of your normal comfort zones you still give highly intelligent thoughts and opinions on what you hear. It's helped me have some different thoughts on the music myself. Best wishes to you both for the new year. SALUTE!!!
I love how you're keeping the metal elitists on their damn toes in a lot of your videos lol
You guys will love "Don't Stop - Nothing More"
give those guys a shot, they're one of the best modern bands
So true and they are incredible live!
Haha
Dream Evil - Book of Heavy Metal
😝😝😝😝😝🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🍻
I really think they would like that one... definitely some groove and headbanging
Protest the Hero - Mist/Animal Bones/C'est la Vie. Pleaseeeee! You'll love them, I know it!
AlintheaYoh my favorite band 😊 I’ve said it on like 6 of their videos lol
@@meganwood2019 I keep saying too! :P I'll keep going.
Also Skies
Treat prog like a rollercoaster. Be prepared to give in and go along for the ride. Don't fight the ups and downs, the twists and turns. If you just sit back and let it happen it's more enjoyable. If you aren't prepared for the ride, don't get on in the first place.
Every prog band that becomes a favorite of mine takes almost a year of listening to off and on to become something I really enjoy. For lack of better terms I enjoy music I can't memorize listening to daily for a few weeks. I love finding that little part of the song that I dont remember ever hearing before. Prog fills this role really well for me.