The fact they hyped up this announcement for ages is what makes it so lacklustre. Doing a Bachmann, Accurascale is one thing of announcing a stunning new model, but the old Lima HST with a rubbish motor , the old Airfix tool 1999 release mk3's , 1980's procor van , a niche steam locomotive with a smoke generator unit & rerun of the Drax biomass carriers as another limited run certainly lacks the gloss of what their rivals do. A company void of ideas or void of money?
I was very disappointed that they didn't announce a revamped class 60 or a bevy of liveries on the old Lima class 60 in the Railroad range. After all we need more class 60s.
The tooling for the Lima 60 was if the rumours are true was destroyed along with the Lima class 92 & the Mainline 56, the lima mk3's & 2f's. Only the mk3 tgs & sleepers survived.
Christ , it's like the summer fashion release in Paris. One thing that does annoy me is the sound units, bloody terrible in everything by everyone. I'm more of a Kato and Tomix fan than Honkby.
I think Hornby would have been better off providing a couple of the coaches with the GC HST power cars and then have some additional coaches available so you could build the rake up.
Unfortunately and I dont want to upset anyone. Hornby are becoming a bit of a joke lately . With very little in the way of information ( Sam's trains a few months ago talked about this ).The quality control on it's models. And the ever increasing price of it's models. The railroad H.S.T. that they have just realised is probably the old lima model and most of it's railroad locos are . Admittedly now have a better motor. But what your paying for is like I said is basically an old lima model. So I do wonder why Hornby do the things they do and say . They seem to think that they are a good company ! When they are failing on many issues. Which is a shame and not good for the hobby.
It was flagged as a new tooling annoucement so maybe Hornby thought the hush hush with steam was their idea of new tooling. It was not really a new tooling announcement
I have a black five steam generator on order for just over 2 1/2 years but I am quite concerned with the new release black five’s that are not steamed generated models with lots of problems I’ve seen on TH-cam. Considering canceling this order, not good enough for Hornby’s future with pour manufacturing problems
That is mad that it has been on order for so long. Hornby really needs to stop announcing things so far in advance! I have seen the bad reports on the Black Fives, not a good look :/ Hope all is well with you, Carl. Thanks very much for watching. Will see you soon!
Lot less chance of a problem now the flags have gone up to the problems that may have been there. Overall not actually major problems, cleaning a connector isn't a HUGE issue, nipping around the loco with an appropriate tool and tightening up the crank pins isn't a HUGE task... it's largely bleating from people who stand to make money from attention seeking over the issue rather than taking a balanced view of how severe the issues are. They also use lines like "it costs so much these days" "when we're paying this much" but actually you're not really paying that much more than 20 years ago for the model and you're paying more for a lot of other things in life but not the train. Comparing basic income, what you can earn in an hour, to then and now the base model of the black 5 costs you the same number of hours work as it did when the 2002 tooling came out. About 20 hours in a minimum wage job is what you need to work to get it then and now. Relative to the lowest earnings you can make per hour it is the same price basically. Are there more expensive and fancy varitions with sound and steam and DCC, yup and they cost what they do. The main people who cover modelling on youtube are full of it and manipulative of people's emotions when it comes to price of things instead of giving real factual accounts of what the cost was then compared to now.
@@Trainskitsetc manufacturing problems you should not have to repair issues when you purchase a product that is brand-new ? It’s like saying if you bought a car brand-new and the wheels was falling off and the doors did not shut properly. Get your spoon out and fix your self. I don’t think so stupid comment.
No matter how they announce it, not much new under the sun is there? As for the hush hush steam generator, as that's the only one that sits in the era I would buy, can't speak for the rest, but it's all about what I see as useless expensive gadgets. The only plus point is that it's harmless water, that's vaporized, rather than the unhealthy oils that were vaporizes in the past. And they happily announced "it doesn't lose that much water as the previous equipped models"🤯, what is there objective, ruining your layout? And for those who think it's realistic you're going to be disappointed, you never going to get the big black and white clouds a real steamer makes, besides that, this effect can only be used on big loco's and I doubt it that a lot of collectors are really waiting for this, even if money is not an issue for you to buy it. And even if this is your thing, keep in mind this is new technologie, how long will it last before you can say "this is a very expensive loco with a steam generator that doesn't steam anymore…". Best part is, I got time to save up some money for new good tooled models in the future😅
While I do agree that the build-up towards the announcements gave the impression of something "more", I do like the Q&A session, they give me some insights into Hornby's thinking, which I find interesting. I do wish they would work on their sound issues; it can be extremely hard to hear what they are saying at times. All in all, I enjoyed the live stream. I had other models on my wish list, but, as always, we can't have it all. I may have better luck next time. Thanks for the video.
@@Alpha-oo8 pop them in the description and say they're in there or on the announcement details on the site. I'll run their social media for free if they want, I'd do a better job lol
Well considering that Hornby did a 21 pin Class 60 update in 2022 and others. I was hoping that Hornby would have done more liveries on their Class 60 model. Also with Accurascale and Cavalex Models also making a Class 60 for 2025. Hornby missed out on some potential Class 60's for Christmas 2024 because that would have made them a bit of profit from Christmas presents and those that wanted something interim. Another poorly planned setup. Now I can focus on the Accurascale Class 60's as Hornby have nothing I want and Accurascale wins my custom from both Hornby and Cavalex Models. I do O gauge nowadays but I would be a fool to pass up on the Accurascale Class 60's and I am looking forward to getting about 3-4 of them for display.
They seem to be concentrating more on TT and moving away from OO maybe the end of Hornby there cant be much interest in TT look how many get junked out !!
Well, those biomass wagons would look ridiculous on my 1930's GWR branchline, nor fit the passing loops. No sale there. No way do I want or need an HST in ANY livery - so no sale there, and am I reading the hush-hush engine's price right? Twentynine THOUSAND and umpty-pumty dollars, or is that a misprint on the caption? Even three hundred squid is way, way too much, I don't want gadgets which are temperamental and fallible - and besides, since when did No 10,000 ever run in Cornwall? So you can see Hornby are going to do very, very well out of my custom!
Success is that some people will buy the products not that everyone will. Might get the Biomass wagons. With all the diesel classes issued several times and plenty new things being issued my budget is more than subscribed. Still an informative video.
My Though on it Cymru rails. The only good thing was class 43 but see it in railroad family got disappointed about it. It has been 14 years since we got a well detail version of it. Good people don't have a lot of money and kids. But there should be One from railroad family plus news tools version. To give people a choice. Should done one in TT scale got me into it. Wagon god person like Morden things. Being nice if Hornby could do so steam train want are pre 1923 or SR to 1952. As in two.
Yeah nothing to get excited about at all really. I will say I was impressed by their steam generator when I saw it at a show and they say they've made some improvements to the one in the Hush Hush. Nothing in that for me.
Thanks for watching, Devon! I also saw a steam generator recently at the Bristol Model Railway Exhibition, and they are indeed very good in action, if a tad expensive!
the biomass wagons were super silly money lastime they were released and thay ant the greatest with the hopper drop in the cupling bar ( a very bad look) so mostly re paints and as for HST's its price thing and some folk will jst colect the loco's well 3/10 for hormby
hi, great video, love the booster loco on your track,really looks the part, entry levell for children would be an 0-4-0 tank loco with wagons and track.which could be bought for under seventy pounds if you know where to look. that hush hush looks like the back of a bus, i'm putting my money on Big Bertha,
I think Hornby is dying, the loses have left it starved of cash for new investments and simply whilst having many virtues TT is simply too capital hungry for such a cash strapped company and will end up pushing it into new owners again ie Sports Direct.
Ah yes, I’m sure there are loads of children saving up the 150 quid for a HST without any coaches.
Hardly worth announcing they were making announcements… you might as well have just made the announcements without the preamble
The fact they hyped up this announcement for ages is what makes it so lacklustre. Doing a Bachmann, Accurascale is one thing of announcing a stunning new model, but the old Lima HST with a rubbish motor , the old Airfix tool 1999 release mk3's , 1980's procor van , a niche steam locomotive with a smoke generator unit & rerun of the Drax biomass carriers as another limited run certainly lacks the gloss of what their rivals do. A company void of ideas or void of money?
The original lima motor was better
@@raymondleggs5508 The Italians knew what they where doing , they'll nyon run forever.
A far more sensible review of this anouncement than what will come from "tiny tears - don't steal my videos!"
Brilliant 😅😅😅😅😅
I was very disappointed that they didn't announce a revamped class 60 or a bevy of liveries on the old Lima class 60 in the Railroad range. After all we need more class 60s.
The tooling for the Lima 60 was if the rumours are true was destroyed along with the Lima class 92 & the Mainline 56, the lima mk3's & 2f's. Only the mk3 tgs & sleepers survived.
For that price on the Hush Hush I would want a better modelled pony truck as per Trix's HO Flying Scotsman.
Christ , it's like the summer fashion release in Paris.
One thing that does annoy me is the sound units, bloody terrible in everything by everyone.
I'm more of a Kato and Tomix fan than Honkby.
I think Hornby would have been better off providing a couple of the coaches with the GC HST power cars and then have some additional coaches available so you could build the rake up.
Tiz utter rubbish what they've announced - more exciting choosing tea bags
Unfortunately and I dont want to upset anyone. Hornby are becoming a bit of a joke lately . With very little in the way of information ( Sam's trains a few months ago talked about this ).The quality control on it's models. And the ever increasing price of it's models. The railroad H.S.T. that they have just realised is probably the old lima model and most of it's railroad locos are . Admittedly now have a better motor. But what your paying for is like I said is basically an old lima model.
So I do wonder why Hornby do the things they do and say . They seem to think that they are a good company ! When they are failing on many issues. Which is a shame and not good for the hobby.
tbh the lima motors are much better
@@vikingsmb yes they are if you get a good one.
@@alanwagstaff16 the later lowered geared ones are much better
It was flagged as a new tooling annoucement so maybe Hornby thought the hush hush with steam was their idea of new tooling. It was not really a new tooling announcement
I have a black five steam generator on order for just over 2 1/2 years but I am quite concerned with the new release black five’s that are not steamed generated models with lots of problems I’ve seen on TH-cam. Considering canceling this order, not good enough for Hornby’s future with pour manufacturing problems
That is mad that it has been on order for so long. Hornby really needs to stop announcing things so far in advance! I have seen the bad reports on the Black Fives, not a good look :/
Hope all is well with you, Carl. Thanks very much for watching. Will see you soon!
Lot less chance of a problem now the flags have gone up to the problems that may have been there.
Overall not actually major problems, cleaning a connector isn't a HUGE issue, nipping around the loco with an appropriate tool and tightening up the crank pins isn't a HUGE task... it's largely bleating from people who stand to make money from attention seeking over the issue rather than taking a balanced view of how severe the issues are.
They also use lines like "it costs so much these days" "when we're paying this much" but actually you're not really paying that much more than 20 years ago for the model and you're paying more for a lot of other things in life but not the train. Comparing basic income, what you can earn in an hour, to then and now the base model of the black 5 costs you the same number of hours work as it did when the 2002 tooling came out. About 20 hours in a minimum wage job is what you need to work to get it then and now. Relative to the lowest earnings you can make per hour it is the same price basically. Are there more expensive and fancy varitions with sound and steam and DCC, yup and they cost what they do.
The main people who cover modelling on youtube are full of it and manipulative of people's emotions when it comes to price of things instead of giving real factual accounts of what the cost was then compared to now.
I would think that by now all the issues with the black 5 have been sorted out . But that don't seem the case with a lot of Hornbys models of late .
@@Trainskitsetc manufacturing problems you should not have to repair issues when you purchase a product that is brand-new ? It’s like saying if you bought a car brand-new and the wheels was falling off and the doors did not shut properly. Get your spoon out and fix your self. I don’t think so stupid comment.
The time frame isn't even that bad, it's about an accurascale manor worth of waiting, maybe a little less
I can’t help but think they’re not modellers but they’re trying really hard to learn about it for their job, while not really succeeding very well.
No matter how they announce it, not much new under the sun is there?
As for the hush hush steam generator, as that's the only one that sits in the era I would buy, can't speak for the rest, but it's all about what I see as useless expensive gadgets.
The only plus point is that it's harmless water, that's vaporized, rather than the unhealthy oils that were vaporizes in the past.
And they happily announced "it doesn't lose that much water as the previous equipped models"🤯,
what is there objective, ruining your layout?
And for those who think it's realistic you're going to be disappointed, you never going to get the big black and white clouds a real steamer makes, besides that, this effect can only be used on big loco's and I doubt it that a lot of collectors are really waiting for this, even if money is not an issue for you to buy it.
And even if this is your thing, keep in mind this is new technologie, how long will it last before you can say "this is a very expensive loco with a steam generator that doesn't steam anymore…".
Best part is, I got time to save up some money for new good tooled models in the future😅
While I do agree that the build-up towards the announcements gave the impression of something "more", I do like the Q&A session, they give me some insights into Hornby's thinking, which I find interesting. I do wish they would work on their sound issues; it can be extremely hard to hear what they are saying at times. All in all, I enjoyed the live stream. I had other models on my wish list, but, as always, we can't have it all. I may have better luck next time. Thanks for the video.
You didn't read the product numbers and running numbers. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BUY
Yes, I thought that was a bit… I dunno… why did they feel the need to read the product numbers?
@@Alpha-oo8 pop them in the description and say they're in there or on the announcement details on the site.
I'll run their social media for free if they want, I'd do a better job lol
I agree with the title. Hornby are beginning to let themselves down in my book.
they have already done that since the 90s.
Well considering that Hornby did a 21 pin Class 60 update in 2022 and others. I was hoping that Hornby would have done more liveries on their Class 60 model. Also with Accurascale and Cavalex Models also making a Class 60 for 2025. Hornby missed out on some potential Class 60's for Christmas 2024 because that would have made them a bit of profit from Christmas presents and those that wanted something interim. Another poorly planned setup. Now I can focus on the Accurascale Class 60's as Hornby have nothing I want and Accurascale wins my custom from both Hornby and Cavalex Models. I do O gauge nowadays but I would be a fool to pass up on the Accurascale Class 60's and I am looking forward to getting about 3-4 of them for display.
They seem to be concentrating more on TT and moving away from OO maybe the end of Hornby there cant be much interest in TT look how many get junked out !!
Yes, I thought their announcements collectively added up to a highly priced damp squib.
and of course, the GC power cars were the ones fitted with buffer beams, ex 91 set formations from the 90's ECML.
Well, those biomass wagons would look ridiculous on my 1930's GWR branchline, nor fit the passing loops. No sale there. No way do I want or need an HST in ANY livery - so no sale there, and am I reading the hush-hush engine's price right? Twentynine THOUSAND and umpty-pumty dollars, or is that a misprint on the caption? Even three hundred squid is way, way too much, I don't want gadgets which are temperamental and fallible - and besides, since when did No 10,000 ever run in Cornwall?
So you can see Hornby are going to do very, very well out of my custom!
Success is that some people will buy the products not that everyone will. Might get the Biomass wagons. With all the diesel classes issued several times and plenty new things being issued my budget is more than subscribed. Still an informative video.
My Though on it Cymru rails. The only good thing was class 43 but see it in railroad family got disappointed about it. It has been 14 years since we got a well detail version of it. Good people don't have a lot of money and kids. But there should be One from railroad family plus news tools version. To give people a choice. Should done one in TT scale got me into it. Wagon god person like Morden things. Being nice if Hornby could do so steam train want are pre 1923 or SR to 1952. As in two.
Yeah nothing to get excited about at all really. I will say I was impressed by their steam generator when I saw it at a show and they say they've made some improvements to the one in the Hush Hush.
Nothing in that for me.
Thanks for watching, Devon! I also saw a steam generator recently at the Bristol Model Railway Exhibition, and they are indeed very good in action, if a tad expensive!
@@CymruRails that's where I saw it 😁. Mind you, cheaper than trs
Disappointments express.
the biomass wagons were super silly money lastime they were released and thay ant the greatest with the hopper drop in the cupling bar ( a very bad look) so mostly re paints and as for HST's its price thing and some folk will jst colect the loco's well 3/10 for hormby
hi, great video, love the booster loco on your track,really looks the part, entry levell for children would be an 0-4-0 tank loco with wagons and track.which could be bought for under seventy pounds if you know where to look. that hush hush looks like the back of a bus, i'm putting my money on Big Bertha,
I think Hornby is dying, the loses have left it starved of cash for new investments and simply whilst having many virtues TT is simply too capital hungry for such a cash strapped company and will end up pushing it into new owners again ie Sports Direct.
HORNBY have just run out of ideas Their philosophy is increase the prices of models as far as the market will allow THIS IS WHY HOBBY IS DIEING
That myth has already been debunked over and over again. But you’ll be still saying this in 10 years time, I bet. Like they have been for 60 years.
The hobby will not die but Hornby might!
Very disappointing. 😢
“Nice try Mike” 😂 7:26