I really wish the people behind the audio would stop being immature children when it comes to the Wilhelm scream. Because that's the only reason I can think why they would insist on using it over and over and over again. It's like an audio meme that they just can't help but insert, whether it fits or not (it never does). It takes away from the moment, every single time.
For some reason PJ insists on using it at least once per movie, but at the worst times, like for one of the goblins that falls in Goblin Town. It just doesn't work...
3:11 I love the look if terror on Gandalfs face. That is the face of a man whose worst fears are being confirmed before his eyes, and a man who just realized that they are way in over their head.
Even more so when you realize that when Manwë asked him to go to Middle-Earth to help the free peoples, he didn't want to because he was terrified of Sauron. He only went after Manwë said that was all the more reason why he should go.
Just remember that before he was sent to Middle Earth as Gandalf, he was reluctant to go because he feared Sauron. That humility was a major reason for being chosen in the first place. I’m certain Sir Ian knew this, because I can feel Gandalf’s fear the entire time he was with Sauron.
Which is the bankrupt point of this terrible trilogy of films. Instead of trusting it to the story of its titular character they turned it into an LOTR prequel - and on a far more adult tone than the novel ever intended to be. I mean FFS its a childrens book!
God I love this depiction of Sauron. A spirit, taking on the shape of an eye made of shadow and flame, with the iris showing the body he is trying to create again. Much better than an actual eye stuck on top of a tower. In general, the LotR movies were much better than the Hobbit trilogy, but elements like these are the exceptions.
I love to imagine Azog and all the other orcs chilling just out of view at the end there. “Should we uh, go kill them?” “No! Sauron wants to do an epic reveal!”
This is the most epic scene in the entire trilogy series in my opinion. If Sauron was so badass and scary then I can't even imagine how strong and scary was Morgoth who he is stronger than Sauron.
In the Second Age, he became much great and mighty than Morgoth during the end of the First Age. It was due to Morgoth pouring all his power into Middle-earth, thus making it easier for Sauron to corrupt those who dwelled in Middle-earth. It is stated that his evil will bare evil fruit unto the last days, and all that was nurtured by Sauron.
@@BJenno i'm pretty sure morgoth was always stronger than sauron, but morgoth DID "lock away" a lot of his power by corrupting the entire planet. but sauron was a demi god, and morgoth was a god.
@@wolfyboy I don't remember where, but I thought I heard somewhere that Sauron at the time of the Last Alliance was stronger than Morgoth when the War Of Wrath ended, because Morgoth had lost so much of his power by that point corrupting the world, he was pathetic in comparsion to his former might.
What is incredible is that Gandalf was able to hold back Sauron with only a small fraction of his full power available to him. Even when he was given life again by Illúvatar and returned as Gandalf the White that is only a small increase in power in comparison to his full might unleashed as his true self Olorin.
The thing is , he only used his wizard powers but didn't use the elven ring. That could of help him - it worked for Galadriel (combining the ring + light of E..).
This didn’t happen in the books, Sauron merely fled at the knowledge that Gandalf was there in Dol Goldur. At this point in the story, Gandalf already wields the ring Narya the Great, whilst Sauron was in his severely weakened and ring-less state, so I daresay Sauron wouldn’t face a wizard head-on without his full powers. We all know now that the elven rings were being wielded by the mightiest beings during that time, Elrond wields Vilya the Mighty to protect Rivendell, Galadriel wields Nenya the Fair to preserve Lothlorien and to stay the evil presence around its borders, while Gandalf was aided by Narya in his perilous quest in middle earth though he never used it openly in the books, acting merely as its keeper and guardian.
The thing is that in weta workshop they are just fucking kids who make a joke out of everything, so the more wilhem scream they use, the funnier it is for them.
@@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin he was weak because his power was transfered into the Ring, he did it to dominate the other rings of power secretly, if he possesses it, his true power will be revealed
@@obi-wanbenkenobi187 yeah, they are very similar starting slow and creepy and featuring the big baddy basically just slowly walking forward unstoppably, but I think the music is slightly better for this one and I kinda prefer the way he sort of walks out of and forms from the fire.
Gandalf's and Sauron's manifestations of contesting Wills are very emblematic of how Good and Evil contrast each other in conflict: Good tries to illuminate, defend and reclaim; Evil tries to obfuscate, opportunistically take cheap shots, and destroy.
@@MtnMania in Tolkien's universe, it is written that even darkness comes from Eru, which he reminded Melkor about. Reminding him that all of Melkors rebellion is still the plan of Eru. That really made Melkor angry.
@@MtnMania and there's hardly such thing as free will, we are forced to choose nearly binary choices along the linear progression of time. We're forced to make choices along the path of least resistance. We're all bound by limitations, be it financial, social, or even just the laws of physics. We don't have free choice to just do what we want when we want.
The fact this is when Sauron decided "Yup time to reveal I survived" and did so in this manner is fucking cool to me. His reveal unto itself is a masterpiece
@@Dardariel214 to be fair I think he only reveals himself to Gandalf as he doesn’t think he’ll ever be leaving Dol Guldur to tell anyone that Sauron is back.
Probably the best scene in the film, in my opinion. I love the way they depicted Sauron's anthropomorphic 'form' in infinite fractal movement. Much better than the fiery spotlight eyeball in the LotR.
@@cardboard_hat The Valar and Maiar were equals, both being among the Ainur but having distinct purposes. Ilúvatar created the Maiar to serve the Valar, but we see many instances in the First Age of a Maiar confronting and defeating a Valar.
@@CrzyWzrd4L He's not really "physically restricted", the Maiar just obey Eru commands and won't use their full power. Sauron is an exemple of a Maiar who just don't give a fuck for what Eru wants and will go around doing shit.
@andrewmeyer4124 having read the book, Dol Guldur did happen during the quest. Just instead of being one huge side plot, Gandalf met up with the council and they took on Sauron together.
It's complicated. The timeline shows a bit of cat and mouse between the White Council and Sauron. Going back and forth to Dol Guldur, sometimes many decades apart, until Sauron is ready and returns to Mordor.
Sauron is just a powerful being,can't help but imagine how strong Melkor AKA Morgoth was and even an elf warrior who went toe to toe with him and had to cheat his way out. We need a movie or series on Morgoth
2:24 - Worst moment for a Wilhelm scream ever. What where they thinking? This is the tragic death of one of the main character's father, and they though it fit for a sound design meme?
@@Cesarecuador that's fine. I liked it. Keep in mind that the hobbit was a fully written book, and still they went way off track. The 2nd Age (rings of power) was only written in bullet point in the LoTR appendix, and briefly in the Silmarillion (which the rights weren't given by Tolkien estate). It was a story that could only be told by filling in the blanks with novel writing. And I thought they made an entertaining story. That said, I respect your own opinion.
I had a mate who never read the books, and she never clicked on the Necromancer was Sauron. Believe me all the hints in the first two movies went right over her head 😂 but during this scene her jaw dropped, turning to me “Wait, he’s Sauron?! Sauron has returned?!”. Bless her 😂😂😂
Even Tolkien himself wasn’t entirely sure at first when he was writing the Hobbit wether he should have the Necromancer be Sauron or not. Read unfinished tales
@@yoshidinono8095 She knew it was before LOTR but course she never read the book. So she thought Sauron only returned in LOTR after Gandalf found the One Ring from Bilbo. So not retarded (poor choice of word), but someone who just watched a movie for what it was without reading the books.
I love how Sauron appears here. First, you notice that he appears like he did during the war of the last alliance, even as a spirit form, because after the downfall of Numenor he could never again take a fair form, which is a nice attention to detail. Second, how he appears wreathed in flames, which since fire is destructive and deadly, helps to show his god like nature, he's a force of nature almost, not some typical evil. Third how he toys with him, not even speaking beyond a bit at the start, because he's not evil for the sake of it, he is pure evil, same as the orcs, corrupted by the darkness.
Sauron corrupted most of the people of Numenor, including it's king, into worshipping Melkor and being vengeful against the Valar for withholding immortality. He knew that, above all, Men fear death. And he played that. King Ar-Pharazon (at Sauron's urging) took the immense Numenorian naval fleet to invade the Undying Lands. This caused Eru Illuvatar, the Creator, to intervene directly which is an extremely rare occurrence. He caused Numenor to sink beneath the waves (think Atlantis) and Sauron was caught up in it's destruction. His spirit fled to Mordor but because of it, it was said he was said to "no longer be able to take a fair form." This might parallel Melkor, the one Sauron followed. As he weakened and used up his power, he lost the ability to shapeshift and remained a Dark Lord in form.
I'm not exactly sure about the destructiveness of Sauron. I think it's in the Silmarillion that he is described as loving order, complex schemes and such. A perfectionist.
@@BibleJames Sauron is definitely pure evil but hes not destructive. He wants to rule and dominate over everything. Hes like a psychopath, if he destroyed his toys like Morgoth wanted then he couldnt have his fun.
2:24 - The Wilhelm scream is a stock sound effect that has been used in a number of films and TV series, beginning in 1951 with the film Distant Drums. The scream is usually used when someone is shot, falls from a great height or is thrown from an explosion.
@@1braincellwhm Not always, though. The Imperial officer in Return of the Jedi for example, and the from the first two Indiana Jones movies. Sometimes it fit fits the tone, most of the time it doesn't.
@@gandalf8216 For any movie from this decade and onwards, IMHO, it's a sympton of a bad movie. It's far too overused to be used comedically and too recognizable to be used seriously.
@@davidnixon6803 Sauron left because he was ready to move back to Mordor. He had even left Dol Guldur once already when Gandalf made a check up at the place, but returned lafter after Gandalf left.^^ Kinda funny how it went back and forth for many years.
Aye. The Hobbit movies were a complete disaster compared to The Lord Of The Rings. I believe even Peter Jackson himself said that during all the years of shooting The Hobbit, he never really actually had a clue what the hell was going on, because WAY too much was going on. It's a shame.
@@thesoundsofonehandclapping the thing was peter jackson didnt directed from the begining, he grabbed on someone elses work and had to work with what it was given to him, he did what he could with what he had, and unless u are a retarded hardcore nerd the movies were still great and accurate to the books by 95%, exept for that love triangle crap.
@@gutzimmumdo4910 I think it is very safe to say that the hobbit movies were an absolute disaster, especially compared to The Lord of The Rings. If the Hobbit would have come out before the LOTR trilogy, there's big chances it would've flopped completely. If it means that, by your standards, this makes me a 'retarded hardcore nerd,' well... What can I say? You seem like a person I wouldn't want to talk to, let alone sit in the same room. Have a good day, Gutzim!
@@thesoundsofonehandclapping "I think it is very safe to say that the hobbit movies were an absolute disaster" explain yourself, according to revenue they made more than 4 times the budget for each movie... So yea only for hardcore lore accurate retards the movies were bad.
I like how in this movie they showed that Sauron still has his physical form, and that the eye is simply another manifestation of him in the movies. Whereas in the books he actually had physical form and was the one who tortured Golum. And the flaming eye was more of a symbol used by the orcs.
@@dean8525 Not weak, as beings they are equal. Thing is Sauron gets "buffed" when he's in his places of great evil (this is an ultra simplistic explaination of LOTR lore, but it's the most effective layman's explanation). Let's also not forget that Gandalf is also a glass cannon in his human form, he has great power but it's all bound into a mortal form (a human body). He literally just tanked a vicious, planted mace hit straight to the chest from an exceptionally powerful warrior of sauron not even two minutes before the duel with Sauron, he was in an injured and weakened state.
I appreciate that they didn't try to explain Sauron's backstory and reasons for becoming a villain, the way Disney often does nowadays. He remains this enigmatic, primordial, powerful foe with reasons of his own, who cannot be negotiated with, and who isn't somebody the viewer can really relate to. Almost a force of nature. Looking at you, Halbrand-totally-not-Sauron. By the time of War of the Ring, and most likely the Hobbit, Sauron definitely gained his physical body back; Smeagol has been tortured by a man with four fingers, and Orcs tell of him as going from place to place. Tolkien described Sauron's human form as "that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic". So, someone over 6'4'', perhaps pushing 7 feet or more, but still definitely human looking. In Return of the King script, at one point Aragorn was supposed to fight Sauron in his Annatar form. That idea was discarded for good reasons, and I'm glad they went the same route here, although Sauron's human shape can be glimpsed through fire and shadow.
Halbrand won't be Sauron sadly. Sauron is already at the Elf King's table, in their council. That is why Celebrimbor has started building his forge, how they knew about Mythril, and why the king wears the same armor as Ardar. In the book, Sauron is the Lord of Gifts. He gave these gifts, the armor, and that is how we know where he is.
This is where the Hobbit trilogy really started to lose me. Yeah it looks cool, but I refuse to believe that after getting bodied by Sauron and tossed in a birdcage, Gandalf just hangs out for 60 years not concerned whatsoever with Sauron having such an active presence. He was more paranoid about Sauron's return in this trilogy than he was in LOTR, but had a fraction of the evidence. "Orcs attacked us on the road" = The Enemy has returned! *ragdolled by sinister ancient god and names him* = I don't have any answers. I must see the head of my order.
Well I'm pretty sure gandalf was under the impression that after Galadriel banished him and Saruman said that he'd "finish the job" so Sauron wasn't much of a threat anymore. Gandalf was also unaware that the one ring is now in Bilbo's possession. So that's why he wasn't so worried in the 60 years between the trilogies until he discovered that Bilbo had the one ring.
I only noticed it unfinished when Gandalf used his shield of light, but in the part where Sauron reveals himself it looked very badass and somehow it seemed very well done to me
havent' they lost a part of their memory becoming istari? not sur he remember well the old time like saruman and sauron not sure they were like "hey bruh , remember when we were aule's appentices!"
I'm having some serious Mandela effect I don't remember Thorin's father being in this scene in fact I don't remember him at all I'm surprised seeing him and interacting with gandalf as if it's the first time I've watched the movie had to double check and I've watch the movie for like 4 times already
When I first saw this film in theaters they played it in high quality frame rate and when the scene when Sauron did that effect at the end of this video I dam near have a eye stroke.
I love this scene, because it shows all the terrifying power of Sauron like never before. I especially love that moment when he tries to get back into physical form for a second, but he fails because he's missing the One Ring. I also find it It's also impressive how Gandalf is terrified of Sauron at this point, even though he is a Maia and was sent to Arda for the sole purpose of fighting him.
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That is the most misplaced Wilhelm scream I have ever heard.
Also, I love how Sauron is just in the Dino stance lol
Wilhelm scream is a huge pimple in the middle of the nose for any movies.
@@schannel7138 it's just used to death now
I really wish the people behind the audio would stop being immature children when it comes to the Wilhelm scream. Because that's the only reason I can think why they would insist on using it over and over and over again. It's like an audio meme that they just can't help but insert, whether it fits or not (it never does). It takes away from the moment, every single time.
This, and that scene from the Yogi bear movie have some of the weirdest placed Wilhelm screams ever ngl
For some reason PJ insists on using it at least once per movie, but at the worst times, like for one of the goblins that falls in Goblin Town. It just doesn't work...
2:24 Did they really have to add a Wilhelm scream there?? Lmao
That's why im here lol
so so stupid, instantly makes the scene funny when it should ve anything but
its so bad lol
Yeah. Just awful.
That is by far the most annoying trait of PJ direction, it is so distracting, he does that all the time in his movies
3:11 I love the look if terror on Gandalfs face. That is the face of a man whose worst fears are being confirmed before his eyes, and a man who just realized that they are way in over their head.
Who was the guy Sauron killed ?
@@navylaks2 Thrain, son of Thror, Heir to the Throne of Erebor
it doesn't help that even as a Maiar, Olorin was scared of Sauron
Even more so when you realize that when Manwë asked him to go to Middle-Earth to help the free peoples, he didn't want to because he was terrified of Sauron. He only went after Manwë said that was all the more reason why he should go.
This is one of the best scenes in cinematic history. It just shows how powerful Sauron is and how easily he pretty much disposed of Gandalf.
Just remember that before he was sent to Middle Earth as Gandalf, he was reluctant to go because he feared Sauron. That humility was a major reason for being chosen in the first place. I’m certain Sir Ian knew this, because I can feel Gandalf’s fear the entire time he was with Sauron.
Nice catch. He does get a weird look on his face when he's around those crystal balls and makes a point of covering them up.
RIngs of Power? ARe you actually using that as a reference?
@@ProtagonisTeneT Read the books
@@pluckybellhop66 The Palantíri
@@ProtagonisTeneT ??? lore illiterate
the way he reveals him self as an eye and stars walking.. gives me goosebumps
same here
Sauron just casually goes into Creative Mode and starts walking while floating/flying like a Minecraft Player would
Which is the bankrupt point of this terrible trilogy of films.
Instead of trusting it to the story of its titular character they turned it into an LOTR prequel - and on a far more adult tone than the novel ever intended to be.
I mean FFS its a childrens book!
it does? wtf pussay
@@chopstickx Go back to your Cod Lobby with that comment
God I love this depiction of Sauron. A spirit, taking on the shape of an eye made of shadow and flame, with the iris showing the body he is trying to create again. Much better than an actual eye stuck on top of a tower. In general, the LotR movies were much better than the Hobbit trilogy, but elements like these are the exceptions.
The Eye of Sauron is so terrifying. It exudes pure evil energy.
@lucgermain9310True but makes sauron look pathetic
@@Rotisivtrue but makes sauron look pathetic
@@Marex5341 Not as pathetic as you im afraid.
I mean... this is no less an actual eye than the one in LOTR, it's just not on top of a tower but among the ruins of one instead
loool the Wilhelm scream when the dwarf got snatched by Sauron😂
Peter Jackson really didn’t give an F at this point
I love to imagine Azog and all the other orcs chilling just out of view at the end there.
“Should we uh, go kill them?” “No! Sauron wants to do an epic reveal!”
Azog be like, _"I have my orders from Sauron himself. He has something special planned for them. We need only to keep them from escaping."_
@@5133937 Sauron: “Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational shape.”
@@henryslager9406 Fully armed and operational Suit of Armour or better yet Fully armed and Operational Lidless and Flaming Eye
Let him have his fun.
@@Cloningmaster55 Or more accurately fully armless and flaming eye 😂🤣
Really wish they got rid of the Wilhelm scream for thrain
Agreed. That was just not necessary.
I watched the movie and they didn’t include the part where he dies + the Wilhelm scream
@@greenmustard493 you watched the theatrical cut then, not the extended cut
Wait that was IN THE ACTUAL FILM??? I thought it was a joke edit
They should make it illegal for Peter Jackson to use the wilhelm scream for his serious movies
I love how Gandalfs shield spell is “light”, while Sauron’s is “dark”. Excellent scene!
This is the most epic scene in the entire trilogy series in my opinion.
If Sauron was so badass and scary then I can't even imagine how strong and scary was Morgoth who he is stronger than Sauron.
In the Second Age, he became much great and mighty than Morgoth during the end of the First Age. It was due to Morgoth pouring all his power into Middle-earth, thus making it easier for Sauron to corrupt those who dwelled in Middle-earth. It is stated that his evil will bare evil fruit unto the last days, and all that was nurtured by Sauron.
@@BJenno i'm pretty sure morgoth was always stronger than sauron, but morgoth DID "lock away" a lot of his power by corrupting the entire planet. but sauron was a demi god, and morgoth was a god.
@@wolfyboy sauron was also a god, but in a "low tier" like a throne and an angel
@@wolfyboy the Valar were gods, while the Maiar were more like angels; and Sauron is a fallen angel. But there were more fallen before him
@@wolfyboy I don't remember where, but I thought I heard somewhere that Sauron at the time of the Last Alliance was stronger than Morgoth when the War Of Wrath ended, because Morgoth had lost so much of his power by that point corrupting the world, he was pathetic in comparsion to his former might.
What is incredible is that Gandalf was able to hold back Sauron with only a small fraction of his full power available to him. Even when he was given life again by Illúvatar and returned as Gandalf the White that is only a small increase in power in comparison to his full might unleashed as his true self Olorin.
True, though Sauron might have been toying with him to mock his attempts.
The thing is , he only used his wizard powers but didn't use the elven ring. That could of help him - it worked for Galadriel (combining the ring + light of E..).
@@mowtow90 The ring would not work against the Lord of the Rings, and the strength of the elven rings is not in combat
Sauron himself at this stage eas massively diminished in power
This didn’t happen in the books, Sauron merely fled at the knowledge that Gandalf was there in Dol Goldur. At this point in the story, Gandalf already wields the ring Narya the Great, whilst Sauron was in his severely weakened and ring-less state, so I daresay Sauron wouldn’t face a wizard head-on without his full powers. We all know now that the elven rings were being wielded by the mightiest beings during that time, Elrond wields Vilya the Mighty to protect Rivendell, Galadriel wields Nenya the Fair to preserve Lothlorien and to stay the evil presence around its borders, while Gandalf was aided by Narya in his perilous quest in middle earth though he never used it openly in the books, acting merely as its keeper and guardian.
One thing is the Wilhelm scream. Another thing is the "You'll tell him yourself" - 80's cliche.
The thing is that in weta workshop they are just fucking kids who make a joke out of everything, so the more wilhem scream they use, the funnier it is for them.
1:02 That second *”WHERE IS HE?!”* is so good, Ian McKellen is the goat
Olorin vs. Mairon.
The very reason he never wanted to go to Middle Earth in the first place.
Love it when people mention his real name.
Sauron is the name his foes gave to him as an insult. He would never call himself Sauron.
"This is no place for a wilhelm scream!"
I love how well Ian pulls off a look of being both defiant and that he may have bitten off more than he can chew ath the same time.
3:37 He always makes a spectacular entrance.
And to think Sauron was just a Lieutenant of Morgoth back in the first age
And to think he was hilariously weakened at this point
To think also that Luthien beat him in the First Age
@@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin he was weak because his power was transfered into the Ring, he did it to dominate the other rings of power secretly, if he possesses it, his true power will be revealed
If Sauron could do this kind of simple feat, imagine what his master can do
and morgoth is said to be the greatest of the valar. remember that even after all the other valar came together to defeat himthey were hard put to it.
3:11 Best villain entrance scene ever.
Rogue one darth vader hallway scene is a very strong competition
@@obi-wanbenkenobi187 yeah, they are very similar starting slow and creepy and featuring the big baddy basically just slowly walking forward unstoppably, but I think the music is slightly better for this one and I kinda prefer the way he sort of walks out of and forms from the fire.
@obi-wanbenkenobi187 fk star wars, why u have to bring star wars into LOTR?
@@Benjamin_0fficial Because they were responding to my comment that it was the best villain entrance scene ever by presenting the competition, jeez.
Gandalf's and Sauron's manifestations of contesting Wills are very emblematic of how Good and Evil contrast each other in conflict: Good tries to illuminate, defend and reclaim; Evil tries to obfuscate, opportunistically take cheap shots, and destroy.
And yet both Darkness and Light come from the same Creator that is to say, they’re both different sides of the same coin.
@@Rotisiv No, light comes from the creator. Darkness comes from abuse of free will given to everybody.
@@MtnMania in Tolkien's universe, it is written that even darkness comes from Eru, which he reminded Melkor about. Reminding him that all of Melkors rebellion is still the plan of Eru. That really made Melkor angry.
@@MtnMania and there's hardly such thing as free will, we are forced to choose nearly binary choices along the linear progression of time. We're forced to make choices along the path of least resistance. We're all bound by limitations, be it financial, social, or even just the laws of physics. We don't have free choice to just do what we want when we want.
@@davidnixon6803 You sir, seem like an interesting man
3:10
Most… badass… villain reveal… ever.
Man made of FIRE… reveals the iris of an EYE… Of which he is the iris of shadow.
The fact this is when Sauron decided "Yup time to reveal I survived" and did so in this manner is fucking cool to me.
His reveal unto itself is a masterpiece
Not really.
@@phoenix7289 Yeah this is bad fanfiction
@@Dardariel214 to be fair I think he only reveals himself to Gandalf as he doesn’t think he’ll ever be leaving Dol Guldur to tell anyone that Sauron is back.
@@phoenix7289 Yes
Probably the best scene in the film, in my opinion. I love the way they depicted Sauron's anthropomorphic 'form' in infinite fractal movement. Much better than the fiery spotlight eyeball in the LotR.
And now he's a dude with a wig.
@@ivermektin6874lmao
I always felt like Gandalf was far more powerful than we got see but this is such an amazing scene. Gandalf was always my favorite LOTR character.
That's because when the Istari are on Middle Earth, they weren't allowed to use their full power.
Gandalf is basically an archangel running on a 50% handicap. He’s physically restricted from using his full power while in human form.
@@CrzyWzrd4L eh, the valar are more like archangels
@@cardboard_hat The Valar and Maiar were equals, both being among the Ainur but having distinct purposes. Ilúvatar created the Maiar to serve the Valar, but we see many instances in the First Age of a Maiar confronting and defeating a Valar.
@@CrzyWzrd4L He's not really "physically restricted", the Maiar just obey Eru commands and won't use their full power. Sauron is an exemple of a Maiar who just don't give a fuck for what Eru wants and will go around doing shit.
Gandalf then proceeded to get amnesia and completely forget that Sauron had partially regained strength and tried to conquer Middle Earth.
They thought that Galabriel vanished him for good, they thought that he will never regain strenght again
Tbf, Dol Guldur happens way before the Hobbit in the books, the filmmakers decided to portray it in the Hobbit Trilogy to give Gandalf a side plot
@andrewmeyer4124 having read the book, Dol Guldur did happen during the quest. Just instead of being one huge side plot, Gandalf met up with the council and they took on Sauron together.
It's complicated. The timeline shows a bit of cat and mouse between the White Council and Sauron. Going back and forth to Dol Guldur, sometimes many decades apart, until Sauron is ready and returns to Mordor.
@@DepravedCoTApologist Actually it happens at around the same time.
Sauron is just a powerful being,can't help but imagine how strong Melkor AKA Morgoth was and even an elf warrior who went toe to toe with him and had to cheat his way out. We need a movie or series on Morgoth
Fingolfin cheated his way out of fighting Morgoth?????
No but luthien did...
@@pratiksavaliya3890 Huan did.....
@@herbthompson8937 no, I believe Melkor did as he couldn't beat Fingolfin fair square. I think he resorted to some of his dark magic
@@mohemiiii where are you hearing these things??
2:24 - Worst moment for a Wilhelm scream ever. What where they thinking? This is the tragic death of one of the main character's father, and they though it fit for a sound design meme?
very bad creative decision, just let the real actor scream
4 minutes of this were 100 times better than The rings of power
Why? This was just as much un-canon but with laughable graphics akin to a video game.
@@davidnixon6803 I wanted to like Rings of Power but is not good. Sorry
@@Cesarecuador that's fine. I liked it. Keep in mind that the hobbit was a fully written book, and still they went way off track. The 2nd Age (rings of power) was only written in bullet point in the LoTR appendix, and briefly in the Silmarillion (which the rights weren't given by Tolkien estate). It was a story that could only be told by filling in the blanks with novel writing. And I thought they made an entertaining story. That said, I respect your own opinion.
especially after season 2 lol
I had a mate who never read the books, and she never clicked on the Necromancer was Sauron. Believe me all the hints in the first two movies went right over her head 😂 but during this scene her jaw dropped, turning to me “Wait, he’s Sauron?! Sauron has returned?!”.
Bless her 😂😂😂
And that's the beauty of the cinema. She will remember it for a long time :D
Even Tolkien himself wasn’t entirely sure at first when he was writing the Hobbit wether he should have the Necromancer be Sauron or not. Read unfinished tales
She did know she was watching a prequel, right? Saying "Sauron has returned?!” is a bit retarded, if she did know.
@@yoshidinono8095 She knew it was before LOTR but course she never read the book. So she thought Sauron only returned in LOTR after Gandalf found the One Ring from Bilbo. So not retarded (poor choice of word), but someone who just watched a movie for what it was without reading the books.
I love how Sauron appears here. First, you notice that he appears like he did during the war of the last alliance, even as a spirit form, because after the downfall of Numenor he could never again take a fair form, which is a nice attention to detail. Second, how he appears wreathed in flames, which since fire is destructive and deadly, helps to show his god like nature, he's a force of nature almost, not some typical evil. Third how he toys with him, not even speaking beyond a bit at the start, because he's not evil for the sake of it, he is pure evil, same as the orcs, corrupted by the darkness.
may i ask why couldn't Sauron take a fair form after the fall of Numenor? what's the connection betweet Numenor and Sauron?
Sauron corrupted most of the people of Numenor, including it's king, into worshipping Melkor and being vengeful against the Valar for withholding immortality. He knew that, above all, Men fear death. And he played that. King Ar-Pharazon (at Sauron's urging) took the immense Numenorian naval fleet to invade the Undying Lands. This caused Eru Illuvatar, the Creator, to intervene directly which is an extremely rare occurrence. He caused Numenor to sink beneath the waves (think Atlantis) and Sauron was caught up in it's destruction. His spirit fled to Mordor but because of it, it was said he was said to "no longer be able to take a fair form."
This might parallel Melkor, the one Sauron followed. As he weakened and used up his power, he lost the ability to shapeshift and remained a Dark Lord in form.
Sauron looks kind of strange. Smokes and stuff.
I'm not exactly sure about the destructiveness of Sauron. I think it's in the Silmarillion that he is described as loving order, complex schemes and such. A perfectionist.
@@BibleJames Sauron is definitely pure evil but hes not destructive. He wants to rule and dominate over everything. Hes like a psychopath, if he destroyed his toys like Morgoth wanted then he couldnt have his fun.
When you realize, Sauron was very weakened here (he had only a small fraction of his power), and even though, he was just toying with Gandalf.
That´s movie´s version. Gandalf is seriously nerfed here.
Yeah I know it's a movie version, but also in the books Sauron is way stronger and more powerful than Gandalf.
@@gioeleqr97 Because Gandalf and the other wizards their actual power is not allowed by the gods themselves as it would destroy the world.
@@gioeleqr97 bc gandolf was forbidden by valar from matching power with power
Does Tolkien say small fraction of power?
2:24
Really, Peter? Was this really a good time to insert a Wilhelm scream?
Nice haha
Thrain getting yeeted away with that crunchy Wilhelm Scream sound effect looks like a shitpost but it's really in the movie
Yo it's crazy how they managed to stop Sauron. The dude was too OP man holy crap
This is how a intimidating villain should be ,a very shadow is merely enough to invoke terror.
This is what I expected to see in Rings of Power. A formless shadow that you can't see coming, not the Venom symbiote behaving like a giant amoeba.
These movies were just awesome.
3:10 to this day, this is STILL CHILLING!
Lesson learned: don’t chase Gandalf onto a bridge.
Okay, stupid Wilhelm scream aside, are we not gonna acknowledge that Sauron basically ate Thrain? I mean, that was actually pretty horrifying!
I wouldn’t say “he” ate him but the darkness itself consumed him…
This scene is better than whole LOTR Rings of Power tv show
And yet Ring of powers is awesome you just another ignorant hater how boring.
It doesn't mean the rings of power is not awesome you just another hater don't like it don't watch it
@@OscarSanchez-vd8lq Lol, Rings of Power is a cruel joke.
@@aleksamrkela831 cruel joke is all the trolls like you that watch the a show just to have something to hate pathetic and disgusting 😔
It's absolute dog shit
the sound effects in this scene are EPIC
2:24 - The Wilhelm scream is a stock sound effect that has been used in a number of films and TV series, beginning in 1951 with the film Distant Drums. The scream is usually used when someone is shot, falls from a great height or is thrown from an explosion.
Yes, but the rule was to only use it for background characters during action scenes. Not for plot important characters such as Thorins father.
It's so over used and out of place that it basically ruins every movie it's put in.
@@1braincellwhm Not always, though. The Imperial officer in Return of the Jedi for example, and the from the first two Indiana Jones movies. Sometimes it fit fits the tone, most of the time it doesn't.
Like in Star Wars attack of the clones 😂
@@gandalf8216 For any movie from this decade and onwards, IMHO, it's a sympton of a bad movie. It's far too overused to be used comedically and too recognizable to be used seriously.
Using the Wilhelm Scream at this scene was just pure disrespect for that poor dwarf.
Not gonna lie. A nerdy part of me did go: "Welcome back, Sauron."
loved that gandalfs first concussion grenade to azog
Gandalf has a habit of facing off against enemies at cliffs
Halbrand are you ? 😂
Халбранд несуществующий персонаж, это Саурон в своем облике
The way Sauron is walking is totally badass
I might be one of the few, but I personally love The Hobbit trilogy.
I always love to watch benedict cumberbatch motion capture the dragon, it's so good
You’re not the only one
This scene was the highlight of the Hobbit trilogy for me, shows the power of Sauron. They did Thrain dirty with the Wilhelm scream though
WHEN U SEE SIR IAN IN ACTION ypu just have to think to yourself that he was the only one for this role.....it had to be him
HE was born to be Gandalf.
@@BatmanSeRiedeTi He was such a great actor!
1:35 The sound of footsteps after gandalfs magical flashbang😂😂
And this is Sauron without his ring and without his body lol
Totally un-canon. In the books Sauron left Dol Guldur simply by suspecting that the White Council would attack him there.
@@davidnixon6803 Sauron left because he was ready to move back to Mordor. He had even left Dol Guldur once already when Gandalf made a check up at the place, but returned lafter after Gandalf left.^^ Kinda funny how it went back and forth for many years.
Man Peter took every opportunity to make Gandalf look weak.
This feels more like a video game cutscene than the cinematic masterpiece that we deserved.
Aye. The Hobbit movies were a complete disaster compared to The Lord Of The Rings. I believe even Peter Jackson himself said that during all the years of shooting The Hobbit, he never really actually had a clue what the hell was going on, because WAY too much was going on. It's a shame.
@@thesoundsofonehandclapping Do you have some source on this?
@@thesoundsofonehandclapping the thing was peter jackson didnt directed from the begining, he grabbed on someone elses work and had to work with what it was given to him, he did what he could with what he had, and unless u are a retarded hardcore nerd the movies were still great and accurate to the books by 95%, exept for that love triangle crap.
@@gutzimmumdo4910 I think it is very safe to say that the hobbit movies were an absolute disaster, especially compared to The Lord of The Rings. If the Hobbit would have come out before the LOTR trilogy, there's big chances it would've flopped completely.
If it means that, by your standards, this makes me a 'retarded hardcore nerd,' well... What can I say? You seem like a person I wouldn't want to talk to, let alone sit in the same room.
Have a good day, Gutzim!
@@thesoundsofonehandclapping "I think it is very safe to say that the hobbit movies were an absolute disaster"
explain yourself, according to revenue they made more than 4 times the budget for each movie...
So yea only for hardcore lore accurate retards the movies were bad.
The music in the beginning is so gorgeous.. one of the best scenes in film in my opinion.. gandalf and the hobbits are rescued by the eagles
3:10
*He is everywhere.*
🔥👁️🔥
I knew it, so the necromancer was the dark lord himself, Sauron
I came back here once again. Now in order to get rid of the vile image of Sauron from the Rings of Power.
2:25 ain't noway they used the same soundbyte from a victim screaming from the Hercules game for ps1 in the city gets hit with demons level
I like how in this movie they showed that Sauron still has his physical form, and that the eye is simply another manifestation of him in the movies.
Whereas in the books he actually had physical form and was the one who tortured Golum. And the flaming eye was more of a symbol used by the orcs.
Sauron did have an imposing gaze though. That is one of his main features. So the eye symbol was not coming from nothing so to speak.
Sauron : “I’m tired of playing”
Gandalf calls him “SORE-on” instead of “SOW-ron”.
i loved this scene it showed how powerful gandalf is
And how weak he is compared to Sauron
@@dean8525 Not weak, as beings they are equal. Thing is Sauron gets "buffed" when he's in his places of great evil (this is an ultra simplistic explaination of LOTR lore, but it's the most effective layman's explanation). Let's also not forget that Gandalf is also a glass cannon in his human form, he has great power but it's all bound into a mortal form (a human body). He literally just tanked a vicious, planted mace hit straight to the chest from an exceptionally powerful warrior of sauron not even two minutes before the duel with Sauron, he was in an injured and weakened state.
@@dean8525 he isnt even the white yet and he has a power even stronger than the white
@@someordinarydude9147
Sauron is more powerful than Olorin, Gandalf true form.
Getting owned by Sauron's evil spirit showed that?
i get fucking chills. That shot of him becoming the eye is so commanding
This feels like a deleted scene
I thought Gandalf was alone in this scene...
@@mossdeeify it’s from the extended edition
@@gandalfthewhite.5245 okay
3:16 I wish they prolonged that walk just a few more steps. Such a badass moment
This whole scene was more epic than the entire first season of that abomanation from Amazon.
Abomination is the haters and trolls idiots like you pathetic 🫥
I literally lost my shit in the theater when Sauron showed up
I appreciate that they didn't try to explain Sauron's backstory and reasons for becoming a villain, the way Disney often does nowadays. He remains this enigmatic, primordial, powerful foe with reasons of his own, who cannot be negotiated with, and who isn't somebody the viewer can really relate to. Almost a force of nature. Looking at you, Halbrand-totally-not-Sauron.
By the time of War of the Ring, and most likely the Hobbit, Sauron definitely gained his physical body back; Smeagol has been tortured by a man with four fingers, and Orcs tell of him as going from place to place. Tolkien described Sauron's human form as "that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic". So, someone over 6'4'', perhaps pushing 7 feet or more, but still definitely human looking. In Return of the King script, at one point Aragorn was supposed to fight Sauron in his Annatar form. That idea was discarded for good reasons, and I'm glad they went the same route here, although Sauron's human shape can be glimpsed through fire and shadow.
Kind of a weird position given the fact that Sauron does have a full backstory written by the author. It's not as though they'd be fabricating it.
Halbrand won't be Sauron sadly. Sauron is already at the Elf King's table, in their council. That is why Celebrimbor has started building his forge, how they knew about Mythril, and why the king wears the same armor as Ardar. In the book, Sauron is the Lord of Gifts. He gave these gifts, the armor, and that is how we know where he is.
You seem to know nothing of LOTR lore.. also how the hell would Halbrand be Sauron lol. Even in fair form, it wouldn't make sense.
@@sullychow4123 * Ron Swanson voice, condecendingly *
I know more than you
@@sullychow4123 I literally said Halbrand isn't Sauron. Furthermore, he is Annatar in the books, just like I said.
Please learn to read.
Manu Bennett really created a great orc voice for Azog.
This is where the Hobbit trilogy really started to lose me. Yeah it looks cool, but I refuse to believe that after getting bodied by Sauron and tossed in a birdcage, Gandalf just hangs out for 60 years not concerned whatsoever with Sauron having such an active presence. He was more paranoid about Sauron's return in this trilogy than he was in LOTR, but had a fraction of the evidence.
"Orcs attacked us on the road" = The Enemy has returned!
*ragdolled by sinister ancient god and names him* = I don't have any answers. I must see the head of my order.
Well I'm pretty sure gandalf was under the impression that after Galadriel banished him and Saruman said that he'd "finish the job" so Sauron wasn't much of a threat anymore. Gandalf was also unaware that the one ring is now in Bilbo's possession. So that's why he wasn't so worried in the 60 years between the trilogies until he discovered that Bilbo had the one ring.
2:24 out of reason 😂
Sauron, Lord of the Bass
2:27 lmao😂😂
I completely forgot this scene, and after watching it again, I must say it looked pretty rough, almost like an unfinished deleted scene
There is something going on in the video, it looks pretty good in the movies but here it looks weird and unfinished.
thats why its called a deleted scene, idiot
I only noticed it unfinished when Gandalf used his shield of light, but in the part where Sauron reveals himself it looked very badass and somehow it seemed very well done to me
2:00
Me: "Dammit Sauron, what the fuck happened!?!?"
Sauron: "Awwww shit!!"
Kinda wish Gandalf would've called him Mairon just to see how he would react
havent' they lost a part of their memory becoming istari? not sur he remember well the old time
like saruman and sauron not sure they were like "hey bruh , remember when we were aule's appentices!"
@@muggensan8611 You're probably right
I love how gandalf's magic is basicly ultra bright flashlight.
now this is sauron
3:29 best sound effect
The Wilhelm scream when Thrain is caught 💀
Still, I like the scene and I think these movies are underrated.
Shows how powerful Sauron is!Even Gandalf had problems trying to contain him as shown here!
And beside this Masterclass we have a shitty representation of Sauron in Rings of Power ....
That gets killed by orcs lol
These fight scenes make even more epic when you know wtf is going on with rings of power
I'm having some serious Mandela effect I don't remember Thorin's father being in this scene in fact I don't remember him at all I'm surprised seeing him and interacting with gandalf as if it's the first time I've watched the movie had to double check and I've watch the movie for like 4 times already
It’s the extended edition my first watch I didn’t see it either
i think this is the extended edition
in the normal edition he isn't there
this is from an extended edition
Well that explains it. Wow I guess they can actually do that huh.
It's a good thing it wasn't in the original cut that wilhelm scream is embarrassing.
i dont care about any of the haters, the hobbit movies are a MASTERPIECE
Sauron always making an entrance like a G. He really the best character no cap
That silhouette of a walking Sauron is quite sexy ngl..
Peter Jackson really ruined the Wilhelm Scream by overusing it so much.
Thorin: What were my father's last words?
Gandalf: 2:24
Will you tell my son that I love him.
That was my best part....so emotional
3:10 Surprise!
Thrain really loved his son. His last moments alive he was only thinking about his son.
When I first saw this film in theaters they played it in high quality frame rate and when the scene when Sauron did that effect at the end of this video I dam near have a eye stroke.
I love this scene, because it shows all the terrifying power of Sauron like never before. I especially love that moment when he tries to get back into physical form for a second, but he fails because he's missing the One Ring. I also find it
It's also impressive how Gandalf is terrified of Sauron at this point, even though he is a Maia and was sent to Arda for the sole purpose of fighting him.
The way he just keeps the orcs at bay with ease
Maiar vs maiar fights are the best.
Sauron: "I'ma crash out on you lil bro for this one"