The Most Important eBike Release Of The Year...
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- Vitus E-Mythique LT - an incredible value e-Enduro bike, priced from $3699 (£3299). Full e-Enduro, the 2024 Vitus e-Mythique looks like the bargain of the year for a new EMTB.
170mm Fork, 160mm rear travel, mullet wheels, enduro geo, 63.5 degree head angle, 78 degree seat tube angle.
See the bike here: bit.ly/3OKr85N
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I’ve tested lots of “other” e-bikes with bafang motors and always been really
Impressed with them
Yep, the "quality" mantra which always implies mid-drive and invariably European is rubbish. If you want mass uptake of ebikes, you don't go about it by pricing bikes at the same level as used cars. There's nothing wrong with Bafang.
@talkingebikes can you take a used car up the side of a mountain?
@@MichaelTexas70 is that a serious question? Are the majority of ebike riders going up the side of mountains?
Good to see the adoption of bafang, actual serviceable motors hopefully it'll give everyone else a kick and eventually the industry won't be able to get away with 2 year warranties and unrepairable systems.
It's a scandal not to be able to repair. I hope that consumers will have legal recourse.
Great video Rob and nice one vitus about time someone started to get the prices down a bit
Another great presentation Rob! Thanks for the info on this sweetheart Vitus!
For the money I'd buy the cheap one and stick some decent suspension on it. Then just change the low spec drive train bits as needed. Good on Vitus, it shows it can be done and just how much the expensive brands are gouging us.
The SR Suntour Durolux 36/38 EQ is really good. There is an R2C2, RC2 and RC cartridge. The R2C2 is comparable to Fox Grip2, the RC2 to RockShox Charger 2.1 and the RC to RockShox Select (Charger RC) or Fox Grip. For example, the Durolux 38 EQ R2C2 can absolutely keep up with Fox Factory or RockShox Ultimate. Definitely a reasonable fork.
@@FINNdeischgut might well do but the these bikes come with the 36mm fork and I want the stiffness of a 38mm as I'm 105kg and ride rough and rocky trails. So if I'm going to buy a 38mm fork I'll stick with the Fox 38mm factory that I know very well and love. If someone gave me a free set of the Durolux 38 forks I'd happily try them out though, I just wouldn't spend that sort of cash taking a risk on something I'm not familiar with, especially given the reduced level of support compared to the main brands.
@@LastAphelionthe only difference I’ve noticed between the brands you noticed is SR Suntour needed to be rebuilt more often. The seals weren’t the best. Also small bump sensitivity wasn’t the best.
I think those Vitus bikes are still expensive. The Polygon's here in Australia start from £2250 (USD 2800), they use Step motors from Shimano and similar Suntour suspension. Looks they get ripped off in the UK.
CRC had the base model for £2299. I was thinking about buying one and slapping on a better fork but they sold out.
Still, they might repeat the deal next year. I'd like to stick in an M560 motor too.
Im desperatly waiting for the review video of the Vitus!!! ❤❤
Hey Rob, I’d love if you could do a video on eMTB/MTB Geometry! I’d love to know exactly why it’s important, what each measurement helps with, and what small upgrades you can do to help tweak it. There’s a lot of articles out there, but a video is so much easier to digest when you can see the change in action. What you think bro?
Not only ebikes. Mtb's, in general, are ridiculously expensive.
True. Motor and battery is not the big cost driver so kind of surprised they went with bafang unless they have improved a lot lately.
Well you're welcome to try and build one yourself if you think you can build one at a similar spec for less
Cry about it and keep whining while other people are out there having the absolute time of their life on the funnest toy they have ever enjoyed!
Everythings expensive not just bikes
Really? Sub £400 is ridiculously expensive? How much was your smartphone?
Looks a fantastic buy!! I recently finished my DIY build with the M510...and I spent just under €3,500 in total.... but I did manage to have Magura MT5 brakes with them nice MDR rotors, and I did get nice rockshox forks and Monarch plus RC3, carbon wheelset with Maxxis Minion DH's (2.6 wide) - in saying that... as you know, self build aint for everyone.. and I sure had ALOT of headaches (especially with my M510 motor) but I am super happy how it turned out... but... If I had this option on the table at first..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....(Oh, and I have a far bigger Battery too....)
What did you use for a frame?
@@Badtoy1986 Have you seen Dengfu frames? I read about them in a TH-cam comment the other day, and they look great. Full carbon dual suspension frames with a built in M620 or similar. They’re priced very competitively too.
@@Boodoo4You I have head of them. On their website, the reasonably priced model is out of stock. I know you can get them from other places, but I'm not sure which ones are the legit places to shop.
Wonderful video. This looks like a fantastic combination of components for the price.
Great video. Glad I found this channel. Stay current mate!
Have been really impressed with Vitus, bought my E-Escarpe VRS in 2020, and its been brilliant, amazing value for the components it has
Nice to see this edition with the component options. Good on Vitus, they should sell well. This is the price point that will likely sell the most and hopefully becomes the most competitive for marketing by all manufacturers.
Thanks rob, really enjoyed the video my friend 😉👌❤️🇬🇧
For that price point, I'm stunned we recognise any of the components. Well done Vitus!!
we run our own custom brand JLC and we use bafang gear on both our alloy lower end and the full carbon high end bike. our high end with mavic crossmax wheels, Onyx DVO and all carbon runs the 48v bafang 600. it is tuned with the BEEEST control programmer and has great power delivery with run on in the 4 and 5 modes. the bike uses all carbon components where we can and deore xt. running on pirelli it has good range at 840watt and at 20.4kg it is nice 160 front and 150 rear and internal dropper. our base alloy runs deore on dt swiss wheels and is a bit heavier at 25.5kg on the bafang 510 which is also tuned. fox36 factory. this bike is quite nice as well and we are getting great recepton. we are now developing our carbon superlite bafang m820 model that looks to be coming in at 18.2kg. with 420w battery. also tuned. we are almost finished our testing and seem to be getting some places in racing under our belt. bafang is very serviceable and has become very reliable.
Wow that’s great. I just bought a Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro 400 that was on sale from $4600 (2900 usd) AUD down to $3500 AUD (2275 usd). It has the Bosch Gen 4 CX, and only front air suspension with a Deore group set. That was the cheapest Gen 4 Bosch I could find. I would’ve loved to buy a bike with the Bafang M510 but no big manufacturers sell them here.
@RobRidesEMTB great video. looking forward to your review after riding it around!
how do you compare this to the Vitus E-Sommet? Looks like the biggest difference is the motor? Also do you know if vitus is planning to launch a more trail oriented e mythique with less travel compared to the LT (assuming that means long travel)?
For the specs, this seems great value for money. I feel the price of many full-suspension e-bikes these days is way over-priced, this has been the case for the past few years. I have stated many of the e-bike manufacturers are basically designing a frame and bolting on off the shelf parts. It's funny how we never really know the markup these manufacturers make. 4 grand is the top limit I would ever pay for a full suspension e-bike, any price above that is just crazy. I have an old Bafang system that I have had for over 5 years, never had a single day's bit of trouble with it, the motor is solid and has been faultless. I wish Vitus well with this e-bike, at £3299 starting price I'm sure this will sell very well, look forward to your full review Rob.
Great to see Vitus taking charge of entry level e-mtbs… Not everyone is doing back flips and gap jumps, it’s a BIG market out there, more people to the sport means more trails and lower pricing! 👍
according Vitus website their warranty doesn’t say anything about e-bkes
Just as I was starting to look at normal MTBs to get into mountain biking this comes along...
Hey.
Any luck on the Bosch powermore 250 range extender working on your canyon strive on?
Finaly some love for them more down to Earth affordable e bikes. Great Bike Rob👌🏾. You should all check out Decathlon and their current e bikes 🤩.✌🏾
Vitus are smashing it across their range at the moment. They offer such good value for money it's almost embarrassing for other brands
Looks like a brilliant bike for the money! The over run feature on the bafang motor sounds interesting!
Vitus are gonna sell this one quick!!!! i would love one!!
After MTBing my whole life I've decided it's just ridiculous how expensive it is. I've just got into motorbikes and bought a brand new 125cc for 3k. Obviously it's nothing special but still shouldn't be cheaper than a MTB 😂
This. They are having a laugh with e-Bike pricing.
still your comparison doesnt make sense. you now got to pay for insurance and need a 1000$ license also you lose all privileges of mtb like using Bike lanes , you always have to use a helmet and drive on the main road .
@@albertmonsieur7832 He's just pointing out the cost of the physical items. I already have a full licence, and insurance on a 125 would cost me about £50 (about $60), so your comparison is hugely variable.
because mtb riders and especially emtb riders are snobs and manufacturers know it 😊
Congrats, I found my EMTB was a gateway into Motorcycles. Did my CBT just to see, and have been hooked for last few years. Worked my way up CB125,500F,650R... Now on Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX. In hindsight the mini hops were excessive, but I felt it was good to not over do things. Hope you continue to enjoy your biker journey as much as I did!
Hi Rob - could you recommend the best lightweight short-mid travel EMTB ? (Been looking at Trek Fuel exe, Specialized Levo SL, any others worth considering?) light, fast, good motors…
Nice video. Please review the forthcoming value Decathlon Rockrider E-EXPL range when you can :)
Having 2 x hardtails with TSDZ2's with over 2k miles & much as I like my Trek Rail 5, I always fear the day that the Bosch motor or battery fail. At least with Bafang parts are available for home servicing and rebuilds, not like Bosch!. This is exactly the wake up all they need. Many users are mechanically & technically well capable of carrying out their own maintence & repairs on these things.
I’ve built a Dengfu with a Bafang motor. Insane amount of torque 120NM. 48V 1500w. I run a 52V 1200wh battery. Love my ebike
Do you have a link to the frame you based your bike on? Any other components that you used or tips?
Damn that thing is amazing. I was thinking that Dengfu was going to be some trash Chinese brand, but it looks incredible for the price.
Love my regular Vitus mythique so this e model must be great!
The Bafang 510, does have power, but as a heavy rider, the Yamaha PWX3 and Brose Peak 3, have much stronger uphill power. Not sure on battery life. All e-bike motors seem to be the same, and battery life during a ride, depends on a riders weight, usage of turbo, and steep elevation, as well as wind speed and temperature. The Bafang 510, is a great trail-bike motor, for us riders that can't afford astronomical prices of e-bikes.
Have you had a chance to try out the new 2023 lapierre e-zesty Rob?
This is a great Ebike but I can’t help to notice how no one really seems to talk about polygon e-bikes. For instance, the polygon colossus has a Fox 38, an X2 in the back, Shimano EP801 motor and XT everything all for less then $4600…that’s a steal. For more budget entry level Ebike, they have the T6E and it’s priced at 3.5K that’s incredible.
I keep looking at the N8E over there. Such a great deal. The only thing holding me back is the lack of reviews. I can't find many that I really trust.
What happened to your DIY Bafang 510 video? There was a building video, and then you were on forums to get proper firmware, but I do not recall you releasing a testing video. 🤔
Great, thank you for sharing, I really hope this has an impact on the industry $$$ much like Tesla cutting their prices, making an impact on their market and competitors, people deserve access to technology and experiences for the masses not just the few that can afford it. Gong rats sharing this and 🤞 we see more follow this and the technology start to become more accessible, good job Vitus I hope this step is a start of a new price war on e-bikes, it will be slow I’m sure but optimistic (non-e bike owner)🙂
Rob, please do a comprehensive video on whether or not this motor is rebuildable and affordable to do so. If it is economically viable and the parts, especially the electronics are cheap and easily sourced, Vitus have removed the last remaining barrier to buying an e-bike.
Good luck with That!
I watched your videos last month and I ordered a Pole Vioma. Then I watched a few more videos last weekend and ordered a Canyon SpectOn8 yesterday. You're going to bankrupt me. PLEAAE STOP MAKING GOOD VIDEOS.
I want it! Is it available in the states or only thru chain reaction?
I rode a Vitus E-Sommit last year and drug my feet on buying one. Now they are not available in the US and I am so sad. Such a dope bike.
Where can I test ride one of these, I'm in the market for a new bike and this does look good to fit the bill.
I had a Vitus Zenium Road Bike
Superb quality and fantastic value for money
This Ebike looks great for the money
Totally agree
Still looking to get my first eMTB and love your videos but this isn't really that revolutionary with the pricing?. In keeping things around the same price, why would you choose the Vitus e-Mistique over a Marin Alpine Trail e1? Geo, spec, and power are similar. Is the Bafang that much better than the Shimano?
I want to use this as a commuter. couldn't imagine a more comfortable ride
Does the replace the E-Sommet or will this e-Mythique be an aluminium frame and sommet carbon? Unsure if it's just a name change or more to it?
No, it’ll be a stand alone model at a lower price point, the E-Sommet will continue along side this one.
Looks really good for the money compared to other brands. Love the raw Alu model. I own a Vitus Escarpe and love it, such a good bike. I’m a bit confused as to why they have released this with the similar sort of travel as the e-sommet though, really just a different motor and some slight frame and spec differences.
There’s the e escarpe as well so this is just an even cheaper Somme I think
@@carrotman2871 maybe they are thinking about a new carbon E Sommet… or trying to get away from the clunky Shimano motor???
Clunky is being beyond kind. NEVER, ever. Bosch or Bafang is the first must on my bikes. All the best!
I’m looking for emtb up to £6k what would wise men recommend? So far I’m looking at cube stereo 160 action team as they are on sale everywhere around 5.2-5.5. Need size L/XL ;)
Got one. Superb bike
A lot can change in five months. Last week my mate brought a brand new, fresh out of the box, Cube Stereo 140 for £3.5k (it came shipped with Fox 36 upfront and a Rock Shox Deluxe in the rear and a whopping 750wh battery). Nuff said.
where are the frames made?
Review the polygon colossus n8e great spec for 5k, more people should know about it. Shimano steps ep8, shimano xt drivetrain and brakes, fox performance elite suspension.
I second this!
You should look at the Polygon T6e. Seems like a good deal to me.
What bike do you ride around town or the city for leisure ?
will you review the rockshox vivid shock pls!!!
The question, as always, is what is the lifespan of this bike and it's components, compared to the more expensive versions?
Which cartridge is installed in the Durolux 36 EQ? The RC, RC2 or R2C2? At least the Durolux 36/38 EQ R2C2 is absolutely on a par with RockShox or Fox Factory / Performance Elite / Ultimate. The RC is comparable to a RockShox Select or Fox Performance. I am surprised that Vitus installed the Durolux EQ in the VRS model and a RockShox Yari in the model above (VRX). The yari is far inferior. If there was the Vitus VRX with the Durolux 38 EQ R2C2 and Suntour TriAir damper, I would have bought it immediately for such a price. But the VRS also has a very good price, even if it is "only" the RC PCS cartridge. The Bafang motor is also very interesting.
Is Bafang’s 95nm actually 95nm though? Also, has anyone done any objective tests on these mid mount motors? I’d love to see them hooked up to equipment and tested properly. I can’t find a single person testing them on accurate equipment as opposed to just hill climbs and spec reads.
yeah my bafang m600 will run circles around the bosch cx power wise. but its not anywhere near as efficient.... so torque numbers seem accurate.
@@phattysnow People say that, and you’d think it’s true based on the specs. But if you look it up on TH-cam they perform extremely similarly in a drag race. Search TH-cam for this: Ebike Drag Race Bafang M600 V Bosch CX. They race them together and the Bafang definitely does not run rings around it.
Great vid Rob. In the hands of a good rider that bike could highly embarass bikes costing twice as much. Nothing wrong with Suntour 36's either, would take them over many lower end RockShox (I've used both). Love that a fairly big player has teamed with Bafang, my Haibike has the Bosch Gen4 CX (pre smart) which is utterly brilliant but I would take the Bafang motor over it simply due to parts availability, servicing ability and user customisation. Bosch is way too locked down and even having people like Bearing Man around to help doesnt ease the pain of being locked into the Bosch ecosystem. In short I would take this Vitus over my £4500 Haibike. Cant wait for your full review.
I'm new to this, just curious: what do you want/need to adjust/customise on the motor behaviour? Is this typical, or only for "powerusers"?
@@OersJ good question and yes for the most part, for new users, the pre set power levels and ride modes on say something like the Bosch CX are pretty compreshensive out of the box, and on later systems you can adjust them to an extent should you wish. But Bafang software is available to change pretty much everything you could ever want (including peak power), plus derestriction is easy (but of course naughty in most countries). The real draw of Bafang for me as I say is user-servicability.
That looks phenomenal for the $
When’s the vid coming of it in the wild?
The Suntour Durolux 36 isn't an entry level fork. It's on pair with Fox and Rockshox and is super easy to tune and maintain.
But for the other Suntour... Pretty entry level for sure. Great video by the way. Good work sir.
Costco should have a go at this type of bike. They could take the Henry Ford approach and cut the price in half.
Decathlon were doing this in 2020. Anything to bring the prices to something within reach would help mind.
With all the cheap e-bike battery fires these days its important to buy UL 2849 certified e-bikes,I don't see this bike on any list that I could find?
Canyon have the best value bikes right now. I just paid 6000USD after tax for a torque on cf8. 720wh battery carbon frame fox 38 and fox x2 shock. With dtswiss emtb wheels with 350 hubs and full slx groupset.
Oh man you’re going to love that bike it’s the one I want and have been looking at it for a while
@topchoice1621 I'm blown away at how versatile it is. The only downside is the low bb. It comes with 165 mm cranks. I'm waiting for restock on 155 mm.
You can't beat the value for Canyon right now unless you go to a Superbike. They have very very low inventory on their website
@@MichaelTexas70 yeah canyon is the best company for bikes in my opinion I bought the spectral 125 a few months back when they had a sale and I saved a ton of cash now my next purchase is an ebike
Care to share your thoughts so far?
This is a game changer and will allow many people to get into the ebike world. I love when companies do this, offer a good solid frameset with "lower spec but get the job done" components. It let's you get into the game, save up over the years and upgrade parts, something we all do anyway even if the parts are high end. Bafang tech is super reliable too.
it is a game changer until you see that a canyon torque on, for 800 extra has a carbon frame, a fox 38 and x2 performance and slx drivetrain; if those don't warry 800 extra quid, nothing will.
@@eugenux but comes with a very disappointing Shimano ep8 motor.
@@danpulley7925 I never had any issues on either.
Amen Dan, if it was bosch gen 3 or 4 CX. ALL DAY AND NIGHT. 🙌
Why no Australian delivery?
Nice! Price like a polygon siskiu
Great video - and very nice looking bike - but please… ‘Bargain’ and use of the word ‘affordable’ are just plain silly - and only help normalise the insane prices of these bikes.
When high end motorbikes costs less than high end MTB’s - you know something is very wrong.
I see Vitus is happy to pay for promotions on youtube. No doubt its a good bike but other makers are not far off on price. What does it weigh? Bigger batteries available? Who makes the wheels?
Fezzari Wire Peak... very good value!
Thats value for money!
My Apollo has BaFang with 160Nm and I can climb anything! I'm glad these lower priced bikes are getting traction.....$12,000+ is simply ridiculous! LBS stuffing at least half of that into their pockets!
I'm glad that Vitus took the bull by the horns and adopted the motor from Bafang, the more competition for Shimano and Bosch, the better it is for us consumers. It is very nasty that an engine is considered a spare part and you, as a user, cannot maintain it.
Can I potentially put my own DIY battery on this Vitus or am I forced to purchased a proprietary Vitus battery. I don't like when companies limit how I use/repair my own equipment, I'm looking at you Specialized.
My Stilus got stolen. Got insurance pay out for £2799 and got a Mondraker Chaser 29 for the £2799.
What a deal!!!
Since we are talking about MTBs here... Can't they alter the behavior of the bike based on the incline? Stuff like enabling max regen on downhill to prevent brake failure, turning off brake cut sensor on technical climbs or changing the level of pedal assistance based on the angle of the bike?
I would assume that's a cheap upgrade considering even tv remotes have gyros these days.
My only issue is that Bafang support in the UK is not the greatest. So if you need a motor how long will take, where as Bosch delivers next day.
This is definitely a concern. I asked Vitus about this. Right now they will deal with all warranty cases direct. I believe they will have warranty spares also (I will make sure to check and confirm for full video)
@@RobRidesEMTB great , I had an issue with m400 motor and really struggled to get any support here in the UK.
I'd definitely be interested in one but those welds make it look really cheap.
I think vitus have been very clever with speccing this bike, good quality components that are good value (surprised not to see manitou pop up though), but thats how I would spec a "cheap" bike
Nice talk but how does it ride?
But more important how does it last…
The lower shock mount seems very slim!🤔
It took quite a battering so far, have hit some steep DH tracks on this bike and all seems good 👍
Oh wow. Nice
Sick
do look at the Decathalon BIG MTN Stilis before buying this.
Why ? Bosch motor, better suspension 170mm rear travel
Should’ve put a Domain on the front
the Suntour durolux was the best 180mm fork i have ever ridden about 2 years ago. it had high and low speed compression adjustment which most rockshox and fox forks did not have at that time.
and it was 550bucks brand new.
I am pretty sure the fork is today still better than the basic Rock Shox Lyrics models with that stupid useless 3 position compression adjustment
It’s a real decent fork at this spec - I didn’t have high hopes but came away very surprised with its performance.
Great promotional video and content. BUT!!!!!
It's such a shame Wiggle and Chain Reaction have gone into Administration as I'd really love to buy one of these bikes. Will Vitus be looking for another supplier in the U.K.?😥
will it be available in australia
Good question!
Hey Rob, when is that Crestline test review coming up?
Very very soon!
@@RobRidesEMTB Awesome!
I hope these >£10K e-bikes are left on shelves and their manufacturers are left regretting their pricing.
Bingo, greed one of the 7 deadly sins. Lol, but factual. We need more boutique companies. Mom @ Pop shop that know what it's like to work hard for there money and reciprocate.
Interesting to see one of the so called big brands using Bafang motors.
Not really
„Big brand „😂😂😂😂
@@chickenclips It's an opinion if you disagree fine.
@@Bikestyle4.0 "So called" read...
Virus were already near the top of my list along with Polygon. Far more in my price range than Cube or Santa Cruz.
not enough travel and the rear hubs may be an issue.
I totally agree about time
That's a bike that can rip.
This is what polygon should have done with there first bike.
That level of pricing should open up the sport especially here in Scotland with the £3k interest free loan the Scottish Government provides over 4 years.
I'll wait until they're half price like all their other bikes often are.
That is true, their starting price is stil pretty dear . Same price point as focus jam
Just goes to show that if the manufacturers can sell ebikes at a competitive price but choose not to, I presume that's not to kill the normal bikes off, I hope virus bring out a trail version 130/150 and also a mid power version 🤞🏻
Still stupidly expensive. The non-electric Mythique is £1.6k, or about a grand on sale. I'm not going to bother comparing components but I do know a battery, motor, and controller shouldn't add £1.7-2.3k to the price of a bike so either the margins on those components is way too high or they're not offering a lower speced electric version. For a similar price you can get a Sur-ron or Talaria and they actually justify it with a bigger battery and more powerful components and a greater material cost. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to get an electric Mythique for under £2k.