@@andrepaz7856 I really thought they skipped on giving him a uniform because they were planning to give him his X-Men '97 look. Well, I guess I was dead wrong😆 Still... The devs sucks for not giving us X-Men '97 and instead, giving us those random ass Fantastic Four and Iron Man related updates nobody asked for.
I dont even really care if half on those sht/bad side tier list moves on good side, but the fact that they made apocalypse, Franklin, and Doctor fckin Doom terrible is mad outrageous, its infuriating
I think it’s because the community sees T4s as god tier characters and a massive effort bc they are so naturally beyond T3 in power and resource requirements. If we were able to T4 characters faster I think people wouldn’t be as upset.
Man... this Shadowshell disrespect has to stop, she is so close to Gwen and everyone rates her, unreal. especially as an elemtental if you dont have Lunas paywall. Edit: Okay, having watched to the end, I have really come to the conclusion that 2023 and pretty much all years prior all reworked/new characters came in and all new uniforms pretty much restored all characters to their perceived place in the MFF Meta, in PVP or PVE, some obviously overdelivered, such as Ghostrider, but mostly characters stayed where they always were when they were first introduced. in 2024, they have underdelivered. Doom has lost a lot of ranking in PVP meta, same with Quicksilver, in fact most native T2/3s outside of Sentry. and the T1s like Thor and Iron man were pretty much cosmetic with diminishing returns to keep there exact place.
True, I find it unfair that most supports, even some worse supports than mystique got to the good category and mystique didn't, like angela for example she only buffs heroes and she can't be taken to wbl+
Yeah not only is she a baller support for all modes including t4 restricted modes but she was ABX meta for a long time before Gwenpool, but even then Gwen doesn't beat her by much
@@oswaldbelderiver6230 True, I persoanlly didn''t get gwen for that reason I still have my tier 4 mystique, and even if gwen was like 10 times better, mystique would still have the value of a support for that day, something gwen wouldn't and once there's a new meta she'd be discarded but mystique would still be used, like red goblin. Only downside may be her damage for wbl and gbr, it's not bad, but ther are better dealers + she's just harder to play than some other characters and much more delicate. But I still use her sometimes on those modes bc I like the character tbh
February is the best update they have done this year, pity system in World Boss. T4 discounts for 5 characters ( although the real one is the first ) and those progressive missions that work sometimes 🤣🤣
You may need to update your outro page as it still includes the Twitch Information. Could use it as valuable real estate for another video link. Cheers Alex.
What I think is that they should pay you and death proof and commander and maybe 3 other TH-camrs to each submit proposals to fix 6-8 characters of their choosing and make them useful in the game. You guys play more than the Devs do. You know which toons like Doom and Apocalypse are unforgivable dogs. Then every month they should pick one of those character and add the fixes to one of the monthly updates. Either that or 4 times a year, fix 4. But actually fix them. Maybe this “advisory board” could play test the beta of each rework and tell them if they got it right, before they unload more dogs on us. Better characters make a better game. We should all want that.
Ebony Maw is not shit. He has saved me plenty of times in Timeline from losing matches in some instances. Granted I do have a very high ranking one, but the new uniform was worth the buy.
There's only so much supports that can't do dps in the game. Unlike 4 years ago when there was only WF, Wave, and Mystique for WBU, now we have 2 for each stage requirements. We need less supports and more dps like CGR, Luna, BB, Jean.
The problem isnt that they release shit characters, they always have the problem is the shit characters are apocalypse and doom, without any meaningful updates to game modes
This tho. If all the characters were good we'd still only be able to use them the way we use the few characters that we do use. It only means that 3 characters can be swapped in timeline and owb.
@@PancakeDiaries that's why I say if they had point restrictions like in 7DS and only use each character once a day would make so many characters viable, it would make doom meta
I thought I might give it a shot but after reading all the comments..nah good😎😎😎I was expecting something was changed but I am wrong this game is still shit
I think you are right. It's okey if they want to release t4 support because of t4 contact they will release . But their decisions are wrong. They choose wrong characters. I think they don't want to make support characters meta. Because they have support ability and it will hurt other characters. Beta ray bill is exception because he had powerful base before. Like apocalypse who turned into a support
I don't mind tier 4-ing a character just for support but the support buffs have to be great. Most of the T4 supports buffs are trash and the rewards in the T4 only content are not worth it, so i don't T4 support. The only T4 supports i have are Storm (great DPS and support) and Mystique (she supports everyone and i use her in ABX) They need to work on balancing characters cos it was awful this year. For the 1st time in years, i didn't buy ANY uniform this September update cos they were all bad. They are just selling cute unis with flashy animation but the uni are not useful, are weak and trash for content
Good: Average or better T4s and supports Shit: flop t4s and the rest. The real problem here is all the army of characters getting uniforms but stuck at the third level.
The truth, guys, is I think devs know exactly what they do with character/skills, and what we notice last 1-2+ years is if you want good character, you must pay or spend a lot of materials/resources.
I think the hole concept of WBL+ is just stupid and therefore there should have never been support only t4s which would have drastically helped to have less shit characters
The problem? They are not a sports team with another so there is not a "win some, lose some" ideal here. Or a "bad with the good". These aren't pumpkin harvests that come out with lame faces sometimes (plant them inside mulch piles, this will solve that problem). They make and control the code for this game and therefore determine by force of wills whether a game asset is useful, that is you can use what you bought to win, or whether it is not. They owe you a product that works when you pay for it AND that is fun for you since this is a recreation. When that doesn't happen it's on them. Of note in your list though is how many characters are more expensive then the ones that are not. More cost to level up. Higher costing uniforms. Characters who are Premium or have to be unlocked by Crystal cost in the Epics. For cash. Understand if you do the math on how long it takes to accumulate enough Crystals for Deluxe Epic Quests those are actually for cash since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to farm them without spending Crystal on anything else at all. Then add How these characters are useful. Sentry for example is God? No. Sentry's uniform is. Uniforms are basically another character that requires you own the prior. With CTP or Artifact? Cards? Then it's those things and not the character. And that's a pretty scummy scam actually. Like Deadpool is a winner "if" you have the Artifact and a CTP of a certain type and level. Because they intentionally excluded certain buffs from the standard uniform. Minding then that they have absolute control over what they produce what are they even doing? What is their angle here? I don't get it. Because the amount should not be on average 50% of the assets that you pay money for are not useable in winning. It should and can be zero because again they create this so they determine that. The real puzzling thing is it is not abnormal for DLC based games to make things that cost more even more effective for winning though normally the idea is everything does serve that function else why play the game or buy anything at all. In most cases but then we have this game which also for odd reasons devotes more of it's focus towards making clones of different games rather than just focusing on the MMO players are showing up for. But, and look at that list for a visual, they make more expensive and in fact some of the most expensive stuff otherwise useless in winning. Unorthodox as I frequently say because it is and because I know they are educated professionals in their field who know how things are supposed to be done.
I don't mind more shit toons than good, but all of the ones who DESERVE to be good need to be there. And they aren't. Look at apocalypse, doctor doom and stryfe. All of them deserve to be good and take a lot of resources.
They were really good when they came out. I disagree with a lot of his rankings. Just because a character isn't meta defining doesn't mean they are shit.
No, the need for decent characters, that are not only t4 damage dealers practically, is greater than you are making it out to be. Sorry you don't like it so many. Definitely was quite harsh about this.
He put shadow shell as shit when even though she can clear the knull 99 and mephisto 94 (the highest possible for their type). GTFOH with that shit. For new players man-thing is the ultimate cheat code in wbu. He completely locks down the bosses as a playable and a striker, except thanos 2nd half. New players don't even have to try with man-thing fighting those bosses. Only speaking for vets leaves your credibility questionable!
It's because players buy the uniforms. We don't buy them the devs will fix up sharpest. The game is slowly dying and the devs are helping it crawl to its death. With shit characters and average content ( i mean WBL+ ) What is there for players to do. There are still almost 100 toons that need reworking this T4 shit is going nowhere fast. Cos no decent content to play. Seems like they have run out of ideas.
To be honest i really want to say that 50% of the characters in a game like this to be good is great i think the problem is which characters are good and which ones arent
I’m wondering how much they know about the history of the characters and how much that plays into western minds expectations. The uniforms they come out with we expect to represent the lore that was built. So it stings so much more when they suck. Like what’s the point
The difference is the amount of T4s in the crap tier. Doom and apocalypse being 2 strong and popular villains shouldn’t be thrown to the side like they are.
Yo Alex. Welcome back again. It seems Alex is doing some astrological review based on the statistical calculations. Well said bro but I have never put any hopes or high expectation on these MFF jokers and clowns. They are in control. We are just consumers. Anyway, expect the unexpected. As you said sometimes good, sometimes shit. Take care ya.
Lots of wrong choices and proof is a quick example: Odin. Odin is absolute shit. Semantics and personal preference aside, the point invalid, but no surprise, low af quality of content/upgrades. Buying stuff doesn't help, it literally rewards them for being POS.
Look at the last year there are so many t3 character thats why they feel bad compair to this list. Almost all t4 last year was good but this year lot's of t4 are mid like it's okay for t3 to be shit it's not ok for t4 to be bad and that's the main difference between Last year and this year
I know beta ray has support skills but i dont think he belongs necessarily in the support tier, he can do so much heavy lifting in pve content on his own and is still top 3 of GBR
Они загнали себя в тупик когда в обновлениях стали добавлять только новые костюмы и Т4, ты тоже думаешь в этом ложном направлении. Но в обновлениях могут добавлять новый контент, вводить новых персонажей, делать интересные эвенты, улучшать игровой процесс и исправлять баги. Когда делали так, то было интересно играть. Сейчас же всё идёт однообразно и предсказуемо, игра скатилась в рутину и постоянный фарм.
Can't forget Cyclops getting a T4 with no uniform
he is good support, one of the best t4 support you can get out there
until the other supports get a t4?
@@andrepaz7856 extra energy attack is one of the worst support to have in a character. I rather wait for real support characters
His uniform was pretty new anyway
@@andrepaz7856 I really thought they skipped on giving him a uniform because they were planning to give him his X-Men '97 look. Well, I guess I was dead wrong😆 Still... The devs sucks for not giving us X-Men '97 and instead, giving us those random ass Fantastic Four and Iron Man related updates nobody asked for.
All this shitty tier 4s and they're still arrogant enough not to give a free t4 selector last anniversary
"Homelander was shit" LOL
I took my belly in hands, earing that 😂😂😂😂
I was thinking it I just never thought he would say it
I dont even really care if half on those sht/bad side tier list moves on good side, but the fact that they made apocalypse, Franklin, and Doctor fckin Doom terrible is mad outrageous, its infuriating
Expensive cost material and still shit ...
I think it’s because the community sees T4s as god tier characters and a massive effort bc they are so naturally beyond T3 in power and resource requirements. If we were able to T4 characters faster I think people wouldn’t be as upset.
This is how many times Alex used the word shit in the video.
👇
To show you that netmarble fkd up with cyclops so bad Alex didn't include him as 2024 support
Idk why i still love watching your video even if i dont play mff anymore
Same here bro 😊
Same Here, I stop playing MFF in 2020.
Same here lol
Same i stopped earlier this year
Hi, I'm 3RL.. and today in MFF news...
Alex totally forgetting that Cyclops and Hulkbuster got a Tier 4 "Upgrade" this year LOL
I think good and shit isn't really enough to cover it, mid tier would help out a lot with judging year v year
The problem is they are shitting on the characters that should not be shitted
Doom and Apocalpyse does not deserve this
bruhh beginning 2023 miles morales uniform was so good even tho his max was level 70 tier 3 hes not that bad lmao
Wish you also would have counted how many in the “Good” tier were paywall in some way (seasonal uni, bio sub, deluxe epic quest, etc)
Been 5 years since I played this game….. a good 5 years
Man... this Shadowshell disrespect has to stop, she is so close to Gwen and everyone rates her, unreal. especially as an elemtental if you dont have Lunas paywall.
Edit: Okay, having watched to the end, I have really come to the conclusion that 2023 and pretty much all years prior all reworked/new characters came in and all new uniforms pretty much restored all characters to their perceived place in the MFF Meta, in PVP or PVE, some obviously overdelivered, such as Ghostrider, but mostly characters stayed where they always were when they were first introduced. in 2024, they have underdelivered. Doom has lost a lot of ranking in PVP meta, same with Quicksilver, in fact most native T2/3s outside of Sentry. and the T1s like Thor and Iron man were pretty much cosmetic with diminishing returns to keep there exact place.
Yep, Shadowshell T4 is pretty amazing. Still use her to this day
Being so close to not even the best character is why she's disrespected
@@yuchiachen3075 dude shadowshell was very good when she released, and shes still good.
1st character that can push to 100. Shadowshell slandered so shamelessly.
exactly, Shadow shell was META for PVE content till paywall Luna came. Also, she is still useful for OWB.
Now probably half of the good need to have an absolute max build to be good so drop half of them into bad because most of us won’t take them there.
Mystique IS NOT shit. And Echo is a solid support for speed characters.
True, I find it unfair that most supports, even some worse supports than mystique got to the good category and mystique didn't, like angela for example she only buffs heroes and she can't be taken to wbl+
Yeah not only is she a baller support for all modes including t4 restricted modes but she was ABX meta for a long time before Gwenpool, but even then Gwen doesn't beat her by much
@@oswaldbelderiver6230 True, I persoanlly didn''t get gwen for that reason I still have my tier 4 mystique, and even if gwen was like 10 times better, mystique would still have the value of a support for that day, something gwen wouldn't and once there's a new meta she'd be discarded but mystique would still be used, like red goblin. Only downside may be her damage for wbl and gbr, it's not bad, but ther are better dealers + she's just harder to play than some other characters and much more delicate. But I still use her sometimes on those modes bc I like the character tbh
February is the best update they have done this year, pity system in World Boss. T4 discounts for 5 characters ( although the real one is the first ) and those progressive missions that work sometimes 🤣🤣
Let's not forget Cyclops, who also came out this year, the absolute WORST T4 support...
Ayo, noti gang on Discord! Dry game with dry updates, but for you, my man, I'd watch anything.
You may need to update your outro page as it still includes the Twitch Information. Could use it as valuable real estate for another video link. Cheers Alex.
To many native tier 2s that are terrible especially for their cost
What I think is that they should pay you and death proof and commander and maybe 3 other TH-camrs to each submit proposals to fix 6-8 characters of their choosing and make them useful in the game. You guys play more than the Devs do. You know which toons like Doom and Apocalypse are unforgivable dogs. Then every month they should pick one of those character and add the fixes to one of the monthly updates. Either that or 4 times a year, fix 4. But actually fix them. Maybe this “advisory board” could play test the beta of each rework and tell them if they got it right, before they unload more dogs on us. Better characters make a better game. We should all want that.
Ebony Maw is not shit. He has saved me plenty of times in Timeline from losing matches in some instances. Granted I do have a very high ranking one, but the new uniform was worth the buy.
Rachel is pretty good with mighty greed IMO
There's only so much supports that can't do dps in the game. Unlike 4 years ago when there was only WF, Wave, and Mystique for WBU, now we have 2 for each stage requirements. We need less supports and more dps like CGR, Luna, BB, Jean.
The problem isnt that they release shit characters, they always have the problem is the shit characters are apocalypse and doom, without any meaningful updates to game modes
This tho. If all the characters were good we'd still only be able to use them the way we use the few characters that we do use. It only means that 3 characters can be swapped in timeline and owb.
@@PancakeDiaries that's why I say if they had point restrictions like in 7DS and only use each character once a day would make so many characters viable, it would make doom meta
Same characters get upgraded over and over been playing since nov2018 and I might finally let it go
I thought I might give it a shot but after reading all the comments..nah good😎😎😎I was expecting something was changed but I am wrong this game is still shit
I think you are right. It's okey if they want to release t4 support because of t4 contact they will release . But their decisions are wrong. They choose wrong characters. I think they don't want to make support characters meta. Because they have support ability and it will hurt other characters. Beta ray bill is exception because he had powerful base before. Like apocalypse who turned into a support
Doom is shit because you want him for PvP even though he's really good for PvE
I don't mind tier 4-ing a character just for support but the support buffs have to be great. Most of the T4 supports buffs are trash and the rewards in the T4 only content are not worth it, so i don't T4 support. The only T4 supports i have are Storm (great DPS and support) and Mystique (she supports everyone and i use her in ABX)
They need to work on balancing characters cos it was awful this year. For the 1st time in years, i didn't buy ANY uniform this September update cos they were all bad. They are just selling cute unis with flashy animation but the uni are not useful, are weak and trash for content
Good: Average or better T4s and supports
Shit: flop t4s and the rest.
The real problem here is all the army of characters getting uniforms but stuck at the third level.
Especially the ones that deserve to be good
Amd to be fair to help everyone catch up we got the discounts
The truth, guys, is I think devs know exactly what they do with character/skills, and what we notice last 1-2+ years is if you want good character, you must pay or spend a lot of materials/resources.
Omg a twist 😮 I love it🎉❤😊 can't say enough that they have so much to prove in moving forward.
i would argue valerie, angel, and rachel deserve in good but okayyy great list, alex!
forgot hevok native shit
I think the hole concept of WBL+ is just stupid and therefore there should have never been support only t4s which would have drastically helped to have less shit characters
I would also include Cyclops T4 and Dazzler Transcend in 2024 lists.
Alex thank you for making this content because you saved me crystals by telling us that apocalypse uniform is bad. Appreciate your videos buddy
U forgot cyclops
I like this style of video mate
Stryfe actually was good when he came out. The only debuff support except wasp. Also ghost rider isn't native t2. And apocalypse is support now
Devs release characters like 1 for them, 5 for nobody 😢
The problem? They are not a sports team with another so there is not a "win some, lose some" ideal here. Or a "bad with the good". These aren't pumpkin harvests that come out with lame faces sometimes (plant them inside mulch piles, this will solve that problem). They make and control the code for this game and therefore determine by force of wills whether a game asset is useful, that is you can use what you bought to win, or whether it is not. They owe you a product that works when you pay for it AND that is fun for you since this is a recreation. When that doesn't happen it's on them.
Of note in your list though is how many characters are more expensive then the ones that are not. More cost to level up. Higher costing uniforms. Characters who are Premium or have to be unlocked by Crystal cost in the Epics. For cash. Understand if you do the math on how long it takes to accumulate enough Crystals for Deluxe Epic Quests those are actually for cash since it would take a ridiculous amount of time to farm them without spending Crystal on anything else at all. Then add How these characters are useful. Sentry for example is God? No. Sentry's uniform is. Uniforms are basically another character that requires you own the prior. With CTP or Artifact? Cards? Then it's those things and not the character. And that's a pretty scummy scam actually. Like Deadpool is a winner "if" you have the Artifact and a CTP of a certain type and level. Because they intentionally excluded certain buffs from the standard uniform.
Minding then that they have absolute control over what they produce what are they even doing? What is their angle here? I don't get it. Because the amount should not be on average 50% of the assets that you pay money for are not useable in winning. It should and can be zero because again they create this so they determine that. The real puzzling thing is it is not abnormal for DLC based games to make things that cost more even more effective for winning though normally the idea is everything does serve that function else why play the game or buy anything at all. In most cases but then we have this game which also for odd reasons devotes more of it's focus towards making clones of different games rather than just focusing on the MMO players are showing up for. But, and look at that list for a visual, they make more expensive and in fact some of the most expensive stuff otherwise useless in winning. Unorthodox as I frequently say because it is and because I know they are educated professionals in their field who know how things are supposed to be done.
It's a good way to encourage people in the game.
I don't mind more shit toons than good, but all of the ones who DESERVE to be good need to be there.
And they aren't. Look at apocalypse, doctor doom and stryfe. All of them deserve to be good and take a lot of resources.
Idk if it's just me, but I think Mantis & Chasm were kinda good tbh
They were really good when they came out. I disagree with a lot of his rankings. Just because a character isn't meta defining doesn't mean they are shit.
I think taskmaster is way more likely to get something for thunderbolts rather than zemo
It’s been like this since they introduced T4’s in my opinion
No, the need for decent characters, that are not only t4 damage dealers practically, is greater than you are making it out to be.
Sorry you don't like it so many. Definitely was quite harsh about this.
Alex can u make a video about which Halloween uni should we get
my returning player login rewards are up in 3 or 4 days should i quit the game for 15 days after it does?
He put shadow shell as shit when even though she can clear the knull 99 and mephisto 94 (the highest possible for their type). GTFOH with that shit. For new players man-thing is the ultimate cheat code in wbu. He completely locks down the bosses as a playable and a striker, except thanos 2nd half. New players don't even have to try with man-thing fighting those bosses. Only speaking for vets leaves your credibility questionable!
I can't even comment on this...there has to be middle toons.
Yuck
Are you still working on emblem video?
Gattuso meme ITALIA MENTIONED
It's because players buy the uniforms. We don't buy them the devs will fix up sharpest. The game is slowly dying and the devs are helping it crawl to its death. With shit characters and average content ( i mean WBL+ ) What is there for players to do. There are still almost 100 toons that need reworking this T4 shit is going nowhere fast. Cos no decent content to play. Seems like they have run out of ideas.
To be honest i really want to say that 50% of the characters in a game like this to be good is great i think the problem is which characters are good and which ones arent
The reason last year is better is the characters we wanted to play are brokem
I’m wondering how much they know about the history of the characters and how much that plays into western minds expectations. The uniforms they come out with we expect to represent the lore that was built. So it stings so much more when they suck. Like what’s the point
The difference is the amount of T4s in the crap tier. Doom and apocalypse being 2 strong and popular villains shouldn’t be thrown to the side like they are.
Yo Alex. Welcome back again. It seems Alex is doing some astrological review based on the statistical calculations. Well said bro but I have never put any hopes or high expectation on these MFF jokers and clowns. They are in control. We are just consumers. Anyway, expect the unexpected. As you said sometimes good, sometimes shit. Take care ya.
What about casandra nova?
Shitmeter should be 🔥
But Dev's did them Dirty
Lots of wrong choices and proof is a quick example: Odin. Odin is absolute shit. Semantics and personal preference aside, the point invalid, but no surprise, low af quality of content/upgrades. Buying stuff doesn't help, it literally rewards them for being POS.
Love the Terminator
When did your opinion change about Havoc?
counter argument would be, not ALL character can be good? 😂
check Marvel Strike Force 😎
you could say, that's some good shit
Look at the last year there are so many t3 character thats why they feel bad compair to this list. Almost all t4 last year was good but this year lot's of t4 are mid like it's okay for t3 to be shit it's not ok for t4 to be bad and that's the main difference between Last year and this year
30 minutes late, the fallout needs to be studied
On a serious note, return to this video in January
@@I-Swansy-Iwill do
Aside from the meme, you should add a mid tier
Bruh i alr got ant man to tier 3 with the skin i didnt know that hes shitty now -_-
Dooms good for pve
Nobody credits him because he is built to play pvp.
His 2 year old uni does better in pve...🎉
r u kidding or what his new uni is way better dont just read false info@@ajaymaan3414
I know beta ray has support skills but i dont think he belongs necessarily in the support tier, he can do so much heavy lifting in pve content on his own and is still top 3 of GBR
Personally i think it's that there are better dps dealers so at long as you have 5 better, he becomes a support
Kahhori ❤❤
Why Daken? 😭
sorry to say this..tbh they release tier 4 so soon..that what make the game is so mess up..
If you think people from marvel know how to make things good take a look at their movies and shows lately
Hmmmm they're also not releasing as much movies per year sooo, wait...you're still putting Doom and Apocalypse in GOOD?
It simple out of 200 toons in this game only 30 of them are useful and usable so wats ur point
ikon is not shit bruh she the perfect f2p toon
Stryfe is shit for the same reason Doom is shit?
Lol Homelander is shit🫣🫣
Они загнали себя в тупик когда в обновлениях стали добавлять только новые костюмы и Т4, ты тоже думаешь в этом ложном направлении. Но в обновлениях могут добавлять новый контент, вводить новых персонажей, делать интересные эвенты, улучшать игровой процесс и исправлять баги. Когда делали так, то было интересно играть. Сейчас же всё идёт однообразно и предсказуемо, игра скатилась в рутину и постоянный фарм.
Ummm
What
Really good comment. This adds great value to the video and the discussion. Should honestly be awarded comment of the year.
First here losers
Bro😂 Who gives a shit.
Your the loser, who gives a shit if your first
The discord link has expired i cant join😢 cynicalex
Mf called Apolocyes, Rachel summers OTW BEAST, SUE STORM and others like Doom bad lol.....ur top tier list is bad
Bruh content video r getting scarce......better get a real job lol