OK I'm going to be the one sliding into the comments about Dragon Quest's composer Koichi Sugiyama: He's a crazy right-winged nationalist nutcase and a *lot* of these problems are due to him. Like he, at one point, directly funded an ad campaign in US newspapers to deny that Japanese warcimes ever happened. Anyways, in terms of his music: he's so overly protective of his copyright of his songs that Disney would tell him to chill out. He's the reason why modern dragon quest games have a notice at the start saying that it's illegal for you to pause and listen to the music if you are streaming. He also refuses to let anyone riff off of his music in any way shape or form, leading to the... minimal song list over the series. It's fine when there's several years between games so it's kinda nostalgic when an old song pops up but _yeah_ it falls apart for an actual music game. DQ11's Japanese release was outright sabotaged by him, cause orchestral tracks were recorded, but only MIDI versions were included in the game cause he was worried that bundling the good versions would hurt CD sales. (Western releases came with the orchestral songs) There's other shit where he actively lobbied to make musical copyright in japan more strict but I'd have to look that shit up and I don't care enough for a youtube comment
i am aware koichi sugiyama kind of sucked but I couldn't really think of a natural way to bring it up nor how precisely that related to Theatrhythm DQ's kinda weak song selection. I knew it had something to do with it but trying to figure out the copyright situation with DQ music kinda gave me a headache
I knew he was controlling of his music being in the games and that he insists on a very very limited style. But wow, I did not know how far that hole went
I knew the 11 soundtrack had the midi’s in the US original release, didn’t realize BOTH the Japanese AND the other variants were screwed over by THAT MAN
Theatrhythm is a drug It has destroyed my sleep schedule and probably woken up my neighbour at least once to the jingle playing on the PS5 launch screen
I've never played Theatrhythm (save for a couple songs from the demo of Final Bar) but I still watched this entire video. I like the way you present information in a both fun, yet informative, way. Good job!
I'm honestly surprised that your video is so obscure, all of these videos are really well put together and I go through all of them on a monthly basis pretty much. Also, 420 likes hehe
As someone who got King Crazy's on every song in the persona dancing games (including dlc shared between games so I had to do them twice), I'd say they're...good enough tbh
Oh man, I got to play All Star Carnival once at the Round1 near Seattle. Such a cool experience. Fast forward a few years and my partner and I would get it set up on PC, including using my Groove Coaster controller for it just for funsies. I wasn't aware of some of the info here, like the stuff about events. So, thanks for the fun video!
The series is my safety series. I play the games if i really feel bad, or if i dont know what to play. It's comforting, nostalgic. I will buy every DLC all over again on every release. Because music is healing.
Really interesting video, I briefly played the arcade version in Japan one time but had no idea there were so many subtle differences. Also had no idea the Dragon Quest game existed!
Real comment, yeah FF has more than Uematsu and has millions of spinoffs by the time these games first came out. I saw the comment about Sugiyama which is both hilarious and sad. It's a shame because a lot of games really get carried by or let down by music.
Damn, not even a mention of the incredibly obscure Mobile/IOS version of Theaterhymn that… *existed* Anyway, great vid! As someone who needs to playing more Final Bar Line, this was fun.
that did release in the west. although realistically even if it hadn't mobile game preservation is so astoundingly poor that it's basically lost media lol
@@PunchyYT Yuuup. Unless you’re a very popular Gacha, finding out info about or even trying to “play” old mobile games is probably just… not happening.
this is a deeply involved, important and well thought out comment, that is not at all simply meant to fuel the algo/rhythm/ (ha) that is youtube, or whatever, iunno. good video, music game prowess continues to astound, :TamaBless :
i never got to play any of these games when i was younger, tho i did use to play the curtain call demo over and over again on my 3ds.. im very glad to hear i can just buy a version of it on the switch !!
Actually, I think the absolutely final update unlocks everything. It *should*, anyway, unless some unlucky folks didn't update it. It would've given all characters, all tracks, characters at level 99, 999 of all items, and even unlocked Supreme from the start. I've actually played one of these at a Round 1, so I know that it should be like that. As for why the network was eventually shut down, it may be due to the reasons you mentioned, but Square Enix also shut down all their other network games like Dissidia AC, Gunslinger Stratos... Yeah.
your round 1 is probably running a modification of some description (common and definitely exists) because as someone with the raw data that is absolutely not what happens with no network connection and no offline kit was ever released.
@@PunchyYTI should be more specific and say that it was added as a "last update", so that's why I mentioned the unlucky folks thing. I *think* they mentioned it on the official ASC website, too?
you mentioned that ff mobius shut down before FBL came out; record keeper, from the same sentence, also shut down barely five months before FBL released lol also good vid, nintendo, etc
record keeper is iirc, actually still functioning in Japan? it was the worldwide version that closed. it is still kinda funny tho yeah. adverts for two mobile games that didn't survive the port process
yeah i used to play FFRK (and its somewhat-sister, FFBE, which is way more popular and still alive, and i'm surprised there weren't tracks from that added). rip to the mobile gamers for real
Would it be great if there’s a SaGa game for it the series have a lot of songs and arrangements so it should be enough for a game like this and just saying a lot of Kenji Ito’s work is really good (and SF2 he didn’t work on it, it was something else)
I am a long time Dragon Quest fan. But hearing that a rhythm game that exclusively uses music from those games, my first thought was this is going to be very boring. DQ's music can be good in context and with nostalgia. But it's very samey. Every game more or less carries the same timbre and sound. And often it's the writing of the games that props up the music as more memorable than it would be in its own.
OK I'm going to be the one sliding into the comments about Dragon Quest's composer Koichi Sugiyama:
He's a crazy right-winged nationalist nutcase and a *lot* of these problems are due to him. Like he, at one point, directly funded an ad campaign in US newspapers to deny that Japanese warcimes ever happened.
Anyways, in terms of his music: he's so overly protective of his copyright of his songs that Disney would tell him to chill out. He's the reason why modern dragon quest games have a notice at the start saying that it's illegal for you to pause and listen to the music if you are streaming. He also refuses to let anyone riff off of his music in any way shape or form, leading to the... minimal song list over the series. It's fine when there's several years between games so it's kinda nostalgic when an old song pops up but _yeah_ it falls apart for an actual music game. DQ11's Japanese release was outright sabotaged by him, cause orchestral tracks were recorded, but only MIDI versions were included in the game cause he was worried that bundling the good versions would hurt CD sales. (Western releases came with the orchestral songs)
There's other shit where he actively lobbied to make musical copyright in japan more strict but I'd have to look that shit up and I don't care enough for a youtube comment
i am aware koichi sugiyama kind of sucked but I couldn't really think of a natural way to bring it up nor how precisely that related to Theatrhythm DQ's kinda weak song selection. I knew it had something to do with it but trying to figure out the copyright situation with DQ music kinda gave me a headache
yeah getting a headache and peacing out is the only reasonable response @@PunchyYT
I knew he was controlling of his music being in the games and that he insists on a very very limited style. But wow, I did not know how far that hole went
I knew the 11 soundtrack had the midi’s in the US original release, didn’t realize BOTH the Japanese AND the other variants were screwed over by THAT MAN
the guy passed away in 2021 it seems so unless his estate continues his hindrances all of that should be over
Video games
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Damn Straight!
You said it brother!
NEAT. A series I was familiar with but hadn't played yet. Thanks for making an engaging exploration!
Theatrhythm is a drug
It has destroyed my sleep schedule and probably woken up my neighbour at least once to the jingle playing on the PS5 launch screen
You saying the 3ds game came out 10 years ago made me mildly depressed.
time waits for no video game console but also yeah same while writing this lol
I've never played Theatrhythm (save for a couple songs from the demo of Final Bar) but I still watched this entire video. I like the way you present information in a both fun, yet informative, way. Good job!
I'm honestly surprised that your video is so obscure, all of these videos are really well put together and I go through all of them on a monthly basis pretty much.
Also, 420 likes hehe
As someone who got King Crazy's on every song in the persona dancing games (including dlc shared between games so I had to do them twice), I'd say they're...good enough tbh
This video is such a gift! I love Theatrhythm and recent arcade games, and both are so underappreciated! Thanks for making this
Loved it! Really killing these infotainment vids for sure
2:56 what a nice title screen
Oh man, I got to play All Star Carnival once at the Round1 near Seattle. Such a cool experience. Fast forward a few years and my partner and I would get it set up on PC, including using my Groove Coaster controller for it just for funsies.
I wasn't aware of some of the info here, like the stuff about events. So, thanks for the fun video!
18:07 now I just wanna see you talk about the Persona Dancing games.
The series is my safety series. I play the games if i really feel bad, or if i dont know what to play. It's comforting, nostalgic. I will buy every DLC all over again on every release. Because music is healing.
Pro rhythm game players are just built different. I can scarcely comprehend how they do what they do
Really interesting video, I briefly played the arcade version in Japan one time but had no idea there were so many subtle differences.
Also had no idea the Dragon Quest game existed!
That dragon quest transition was smooth as hell
Didn't know about the fan port of All Star Carnival. I fucking love PC ports of arcade games like Silent Hill the Arcade.
Damn, I almost forgot about these games. I should go back and play them. Great video
Another fascinating video, great job as always
I was very lucky that a local con had one of these cabinets in their arcade room so I got to play it for myself. It was pretty nice.
Hah that Unity comment aged like the mead in my basement, perfectly.
Real comment, yeah FF has more than Uematsu and has millions of spinoffs by the time these games first came out. I saw the comment about Sugiyama which is both hilarious and sad. It's a shame because a lot of games really get carried by or let down by music.
Damn, not even a mention of the incredibly obscure Mobile/IOS version of Theaterhymn that… *existed*
Anyway, great vid! As someone who needs to playing more Final Bar Line, this was fun.
that did release in the west. although realistically even if it hadn't mobile game preservation is so astoundingly poor that it's basically lost media lol
@@PunchyYT Yuuup. Unless you’re a very popular Gacha, finding out info about or even trying to “play” old mobile games is probably just… not happening.
Oh man, I had this version and spent waaaaay too much money on it.
@@PunchyYT I still have an iPad with it loaded on.
Can’t wait to hear punchy talk shit on comments on stream lmao
I would straight up watch a supreme difficulty showcase of your favorite songs a la GH pros like Frif, Acai, JasonParadise, etc
this is a deeply involved, important and well thought out comment, that is not at all simply meant to fuel the algo/rhythm/ (ha) that is youtube, or whatever, iunno. good video, music game prowess continues to astound, :TamaBless :
i never got to play any of these games when i was younger, tho i did use to play the curtain call demo over and over again on my 3ds.. im very glad to hear i can just buy a version of it on the switch !!
We have this in the Blackpool arcade club. I had no idea what the hell to do XD
I don’t know anything about rhythm games but I love hearing you info dump about them ❤
Commenting for algorithm. Very much enjoying this form of videos Punchy!
I feel very informed and entertained! Thanks for the video! Do any rythm game you like next, like maybe DJ Max Respect!
It be music game from one of them 87 Japanese video game franchises with the abbreviation FF. I rejoice 🎶
Alright punchy i have sometihng i want to see from you
ff song power rankings go
(Really good video, rhythm games, all that jazz)
A disrespectful *note* to end on, eh?
all-star carnival was truly the bees knees
I didn't know there was anything past the first game and curtain call, and I haven't been in japan or near a Round One for almost a decade 😢
Great video!
24:41 WHAT DID HE JUST SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I really don't play these type of games, but I watched the video and found it entertaining regardless. Great work Punchy! 👍
Actually, I think the absolutely final update unlocks everything.
It *should*, anyway, unless some unlucky folks didn't update it.
It would've given all characters, all tracks, characters at level 99, 999 of all items, and even unlocked Supreme from the start. I've actually played one of these at a Round 1, so I know that it should be like that.
As for why the network was eventually shut down, it may be due to the reasons you mentioned, but Square Enix also shut down all their other network games like Dissidia AC, Gunslinger Stratos... Yeah.
your round 1 is probably running a modification of some description (common and definitely exists) because as someone with the raw data that is absolutely not what happens with no network connection and no offline kit was ever released.
@@PunchyYTI should be more specific and say that it was added as a "last update", so that's why I mentioned the unlucky folks thing.
I *think* they mentioned it on the official ASC website, too?
LETS GO!!!
Nice Video
you mentioned that ff mobius shut down before FBL came out; record keeper, from the same sentence, also shut down barely five months before FBL released lol
also good vid, nintendo, etc
record keeper is iirc, actually still functioning in Japan? it was the worldwide version that closed.
it is still kinda funny tho yeah. adverts for two mobile games that didn't survive the port process
yeah i used to play FFRK (and its somewhat-sister, FFBE, which is way more popular and still alive, and i'm surprised there weren't tracks from that added). rip to the mobile gamers for real
@@amyrlinnwell FFBE GL is shutting down later this month but I’ll say this rn idk how come there’s no BE Rep at all
Yesss. Theatrhythm content.
12:17 Boooo! Straight to jail
Would it be great if there’s a SaGa game for it the series have a lot of songs and arrangements so it should be enough for a game like this and just saying a lot of Kenji Ito’s work is really good (and SF2 he didn’t work on it, it was something else)
100th like and after watching the left for dead video I checked and it was here :)
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I am a long time Dragon Quest fan. But hearing that a rhythm game that exclusively uses music from those games, my first thought was this is going to be very boring. DQ's music can be good in context and with nostalgia. But it's very samey. Every game more or less carries the same timbre and sound. And often it's the writing of the games that props up the music as more memorable than it would be in its own.
Cool video
Yayyy
CRITICAL (Derogatory) (Not rainbow)
Elite Beat Agents (and the other two japanese games) are much much better than this chaos on screen
ok grandpa let's get you into bed