Blood Thinners for AFib: Do You Need Them?
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- In this video I discuss pros and cons of blood thinners for AFib.
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00:00 Introduction
00:56 AFib Risk of Stroke
02:05 CHADSVASc Risk Score
03:54 Recommendations for Blood Thinners
05:30 Medication Options for Blood Thinners
07:00 Aspirin For AFib: Does it help?
09:03 Natural Blood Thinners for AFib
11:15 Blood Thinners after an AFib Ablation
13:08 Watchman Procedure for AFib
16:08 Take Control Over AFib
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Some blood thinner like Eliquis cost more than $500.00 per month. Paying for it can cause some of us to have a stroke!
$37.00 aud a month in Australia.
@@geoopa People in US get screwed on drugs prices, even on drugs made right here in the US. All part of the Big Pharma/AMA/Insurance Co racket to screw customers on their premiums.
Free in the UK
Mate, I've got a problem with all this medicating. A routine check-up revealed that I had a blockage in my heart - at that stage I was walking 12 km every day, rain, hail or shine. When the Dr told me I said "one of your electrodes must have fallen off - I was out deer stalking just laws week." Anyway I was sent to the Cardio Unit for a stent - simple day procedure. After being prepped, the surgeon explained the Op and asked me if I had any questions. I said, "yeah mate, I've got a few". first thing I wanted to know was what medication was he going to put me on long-term after the Op. He listed a whole heap of drugs and I said "No way mate, I'm 72 and never have had medication in my life, I don't plan on starting now". He looked at me somewhat bewildered and said" well, we'll better do some more tests and look for a treatment". So they did an angiogram and told me I had one blockage and four restrictions and that they now recommended open heart surgery! He did say that there was nothing I could have done about it - it was genetic but my life-style had given me 20 years; this should have happened to me when I was 50. Over the years, I did 25 years of distance running [marathons], I have been weight-lifting and body building since I was 18 (with a break while I was running), I had 25 years in the military, been out-doors and hunting since I was 9 and take heaps of supplements and eat well - I have had only one Mac Burger in my life! Don't drink Coke or other sweetened "fizzy drinks". So I had By-pass surgery and even the day before the op I was out walking my usual 12km - I truly had no signs at all of heart troubles; at the Gym, I could easily push my heart rate to exceed my theoretical maximum and hold it there for 15 ~ 20 minutes. I was discharged from Hospital and the second I got home, I told my wife I needed a Flat White and we'd walk into town to get it. Walk wasn't far - 3 km. When I got to the café I knew I was in trouble. I told my wife I didn't need a lecture, I realised I had pushed it too far. I could feel my heart was in trouble so I went to hospital A + E where they confirmed I was in AF. I'm now on Rat poison, Betablockers, Aspirin and two other bloody things I don't remember what they are. I have been told I will need to be on these for the rest of my life. Well, I have an issue with that - a friend of mine was on a similar regime for some 15 ~ 20 years when his kidneys and liver packed up and his Dr said, "sorry, but medical science can no longer help you". The truth is Medical Science actually killed him as his kidneys could no longer cope with filtering out the poisons he was talking. My current dose of medication runs out later this week and I do not intend getting a repeat. I take Omega 3, CoQ10, Vit D3, multi-minerals, Essential Amino Acids, DHEA and Testosterone and enjoy hot spicy foods -of which I intend to increase my consumption of. Testosterone is essential for every muscle in the body (the heart is just one big muscle) and I strongly recommend that all males over 50 get at serum test for free Testosterone and DHEA - almost all will show a deficiency to some extent of T. If your heart is starved of T, it will simply get weaker and weaker - finally stopping. Also, have a good look at research on CoQ10 and the benefits of CoQ10 on the heart - you may be amazed. I hope to give you all an up-date on how I'm going in 20 years time.
I am totally with you 79 years old, ex, passed, P coy, with Afib, Cross Country, 71 first 2 Stents, 6 pills, last year, bang again, 2 more Stents, nose breathing, supplements, pills are now at 12, Nitric Oxide, Beats, Greens, moringa, lines on nails, so, Iron food, clone pain, current iNO of my own design, good to share, no1 killer, they are still treating symptoms, PubMed, Google scholar, 2000 papers 2023. iNO good for current bio warfare, NMN, still walking the dogs, not ready to stop fighting.
Dr's👎 they're good for broken bones, knife and gunshot wounds
I too came down with Afib twice after my surgery. I was told that was normal after open heart surgery and it would likely go away. My first bout was a day or two after the surgery while at the hospital. The cardiologist used a fibrilator and shocked me back into rhythm. My second time 3 days after discharge, I felt much better and decided to have a couple of beers. Bad idea. My heart raced and after 2 hours, I was back into afib again. I went to ER next day and they dosed me with meds to bring me back into rhythm. They decided to discharge me instead of waiting on the meds to work, but said come Monday if I was still in afib, to see cardiologist for another defibrilation at his office. Luckily that evening after taking a nap in my recliner, I woke up to it gone. I stayed on Eliquis for a month then never got it refilled since afib did not return. That's been 5 years ago and I take zero meds for my condition. I make sure my D3, K2 and Mg are in balance daily. I take garlic raw clove crushed daily, drink POM brand pomegranate juice 8oz daily, take a wide array of natural antioxidants and anti-inflammatory supplements (raw fermented ZINT cacao two tablespoons in a protein smoothie is a must) Vitamins C, E, B from foods rich in those. CoQ10, Ashwaganda, Camu Camu, Berberine, Hesperidin, Vein Essential mix, Nattokinase, Milk Thistle, Ginger, Ginko, eye health mix and a good whole food derived multi vit and mineral.
I too tested slightly low T and take weekly shots.
I do not regularly excercise but I have a lot of lifting work and busy work. Not a couch potato. I am doing great so far and my numbers are good. Oh yeah, i refuse to eat any processed seed oils and only take in avocado and ev olive oil using only vetted, good sourced brands that have been tested to not be adulterated or oxidized.
I feel great and hope to live a long time. 64 now.
Magnesium is your ticket💖
I hate to say this but I too was an athlete in life, I am 68 still play competitive table tennis and walk every morning for 10 km. My cardiologist told me I should be on bloodthinners as my mother died at 53 and I resisted as I felt geat. I took supplements and had an excellent diet and had recently been on a drug to stop me getting AF which my mother died of a stroke from. Well I thought I knew better and stopped taking drugs and never felt better. BIG mistake. One morning 2 months ago I got up to get dressed for morning walk and all of a sudden the world was pulled from under me. Collapsed on floor and started vomiting and couldn't move . Turns out I had a stroke. You never want to have one as my life has changed for ever. Can't do anything I done before, I feel I am a burden on my family, my head spins everyday and fatigue stops me doing even the simplest of tasks.
I am so angry that I didn't listen, my mind is all over the place and anxiety is unrelenting.
It is common to get AF after heart surgery.
Do yourself a favor and don't be as stubborn as I was. If you love your family don't put this on them if you have stroke. Some days I really wish I was dead rather than be this stubborn cripple 😢
Very interesting dr. I have been put on eliquis 2 yrs ago. My cardio dr. said I showed a little afib on my home monitor. I have never had any problems. I think these drs. Get a kick back.
My thinner is 3 cloves of garlic a day (Pill Form). No baby aspirin (19 bux a bottle) No plavex, no metopropolol, and for sure NO statens. Most Doctors consider me a rebel. The smart ones ask me why I am so fit /strong, for over 70 closer to 80
I'm a rebel too. I'm 73 and take no drugs. You can deal with this using natural means. I have this and I do.
Good for you! I am 73 and take aspirin, tumeric, coQ10 for my heart. No rat poison to me! Wonder how much the drug companies paid him to make this video?
@@catitude4You give me hope for my mom. Thank you Soo much!
@@sherryadams9686 Exactly! I think we're on the same page!
Good for you.
Thank You so much. GOD bless you very important information. I had a Ablation done in 2022 I'm 74 now and on eliquis and I'm cold 🥶 all the time. So far I'm doing well I haven't had another episode. ❤
that's for all your videos, I'm learning so much about AFib. I've had two Cardioversions the past 3 months and so far so good.
Glad they have helped you!
I developed Atrial Flutter 9/2020. I was 70 years old then and had poor exercise tolerance due to first degree heart block with history of sinus bradycardia. Put on Pradaxa and in 12/2021 pacemaker was placed in anticipation that medical treatment would cause troublesome bradycardia. Started on a beta blocker and with increased dose developed CHF symptoms. Dosage was reduced gradually by me(retired MD) and symptoms improved. Finally asked to have DC cardioversion which was done 8/20/2021 and have been in sinus rhythm since. Since data from the pacemaker has confirmed this when data is downloaded I asked if can stop the Pradaxa to take anti-inflammatory supplements for severe arthritis pain in L-S spine. Pacemaker is insurance policy since if 30 minutes or more in 24 hours period alert is sent to cardiology office. I have also been taking high dose of taurine since this started since approved to use in CHF and some evidence may improve atrial remodeling and help in that manner. I had took a fall walking stumbling in uneven sidewalk and hit nose and hands breaking my fall and had significant bleed and severe hand swelling for several days. Since I am active was worried about injury with Pradaxa as well.
I'am 27 with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation...and your videos help me alot..the Docters can't find a problem with my ❤️
How do you manage?
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP ON A FIB
Great video immensely helpful!
Thank you. Your explanation really helped my understanding of the need for blood thinners.
One major factor was not mentioned. Modern blood thinners such as Eliquis cost over $6000 a year.
Agreed! And even if covered can throw you into a higher level on your prescription benefits
Move to Canada. It will cost you nothing.
@@harryc3043 There is no such thing as "free healthcare". You just pay more in taxes. And you weight longer for may procedures.
$6000 a year! I live in Europe and it's my most expensive at 80 a month (euro) and my doctor says it might be free soon.
@@Brookside975 The point is that it is free at access. Most people understand it that way, and know about the tax angle.
Great video, the best I've found yet and very informative. Thank you so much.
Great info, thanks Doc 🙏 👍
I'm 73 years old and have had AFib for three years. Had a loop recorder inserted into my left chest wall, so a bedside monitor sends a record of my heart rhythm to my heart specialist. Am on flecainide, metropolol, and eliguise. Had heart ablation months ago and also had to be recently cardioverted. Had regular heart rhythm for two days and went back into AFib. I am very symptomatic with AFib and have fallen many times. The doctor has talked about inserting a filter in my heart to catch any blood clots, it's called a watchman procedure. My God, I spend my time at the lab or the doctors. I'm going to loose my mind!!!
Is a loop recorder help to detect AFIB
Seems like I read a bad report about that watchman. Can't remember where I saw it though. Please investigate before signing on with that. I had afib twice after my bypass and it hasnt returned since my recovery. It was awful. My sympathies for anyone having to live longterm with it. I hope mine is gone forever. Make sure of your Magnesium levels. Take Magnesium Glycinate. There's research that shows it helps. It's hard to get enough through typical western diet, so you are probably deficient. Most people are. My cousin has afib and after she started Mg supplementation her episodes became less frequent. Good luck.
I had the Lariat procedure. Liked what I read and preferred it over watchman.
I am a 73-year-old man. Correct. I meet one or more under the CHADSVASc criteria. I have been hospitalized twice for AFib. A year ago in March and again this year in March. First, my AFib was controlled with medication and returned to a normal rhythm in about two months. This year, I had to have a cardioversion to bring me back into rhythm. I prescribed APIXABAN after the first episode. Have been on it ever since.
Let us know if cardioversion works ….many say only for a while…….possibly another money making procedure…..
Excellent video!🙏🏻
Great presentation. I learned a lot.
I was 60 when I had a clot in my lung and was told I was going to die but I was lucky and the clot got stuck in a vain. I was in hospital for 3 weeks and then I was put on Dabigatran for the rest of my life
I am a 72 year old man and I now am on the blood thinner Eliquis along with blood pressure medications and a cholesterol reducing medication. I also have been diagnosed as having Afib. There was also a period in the past where I had episodes of double vision. As a result an MRI exam was done on my brain. I was surprised by the results of the MRI exam when I was told that in the past I had a stroke. I was also told to keep taking the Eliquis. Apparently the stroke must have been a silent stroke. Also thankfully I have no neurological problems. So that stroke must have been a minor stroke. The one problem I did have with Eliquis is when I came down with the common cold, there was blood in my nasal discharges. That bleeding cleared up after I recovered from the common cold. It looks like some nasal bleeding with the common cold is much better than having a stroke.
I ate raw garlic everymorning in an empty stomach with a glass of warm water, also, I chopped finely and can't eat whole clove, only one clove of garlic everyday...
Thank you Dr. Morales.
Thank you Doctor Morales. I was very hesitant about taking Eliquis and metoprolol for AFib for the rest of my life, but you put my mind at ease. I don't want to have anymore strokes, and now feel confident that this medication is serving a purpose in that regard. Thank you so much. I love your presentations and concern for all of us. God bless you!
Eliquis makes my husband as cold as ice! Its unreal how cold he gets is that normal and he had sepsis thats why hes on it and he ran out two days ago im worried about him
Ekiquis is terrible! Makes me hurt from head to toe. Something bad is in that stuff. Been on it a year. I just stopped taking it for four days now.
Eliquis is highly toxic, I only took it long enough to find a natural remedy as I had no idea on how to deal with multiple life threatening blood clots that almost killed me. But I did my research and got off of it.
Warfarin is better
Why can’t I take aspirin
The best for blood flow and the heart? Fish oil and Cod Liver oil.
I take enough to get 3g of EPA+DHA.
They have many other benefits, all other factors remaining the same, such as:
1. Increasing the Omega-3 Index
2. Decreasing Fasting Insulin and Insulin Resistance
3. Increasing HDL
4. Decreasing Triglyceride.
Yes you do if you have blood clots or suffer from them, thrombosis, varicose veins or blood not pumping through your heart properly. I take 1 Aspirin a day. I got blood clots in your lungs after an operation eliquis was given to me for 3 months and then scans to make sure they are gone. I also have a defibrillator in. My left atrium is enlarged. I am 64.
Yesss and yes. Why is clotting happening and how can it stopped is more important question?
Im 64 male and have been in constant Afib for 4 years. It does not bother me at all. It is good to hear that my overall risk of stroke has been reduced from 12% down to 6% by taking an anticoagulant on a daily basis.
Hi,,while your in constant a fib do you get light headed often??
@@christylovetimmy5429 Never
Yes I had often light headed cause me falling down 3x,but my blood pressure is low which I experience with AFib,makes me mild dismentia.
What State do you live in?
@@christylovetimmy5429 yes
Thank you for the info dr.
I have afib. On the right blood thinners. However taking Magnesium and potassium really helps with he afib. Thanks for the info doc.
good explanation
How much do blood thinners reduce ABSOLUTE risk of stroke, not relative risk?
I've had periodic a fib episodes for nearly 25 years. My cardios have consistent said a result could be a stroke. I have been on Eliquis for several years and have experienced zero side effects. I do not bruise easily and clotting time is hardly any different than pre Eliquis.
I'm 64 and have had AF for over 20 years, refused blood thinners except asprin earlier on. This caused ulcers and I Nealy died from a GI bleed out. Ignored dr's advice and started Vit E and Co Q10, no Vax and still kicking.
I HAVE BEEN TAKING SERRAPEPTASE .NATTOKINASE. KRILL OIL .FLAX SEED OIL. UBIQUINOL AND HAWTHORN BERRY FOR 6 YEARS NOW FOR A FIB AM. PM GOT OFF METROLPOL AND DANGEROUS BLOOD THINNERS AND HAVENT LOOKED BACK. AND IFEEL GREAT AND IM 70. NATTO REALLY WORKS
Do you take Magnesium Taurate? and CoQ10?
@@DatDyme980 not at the moment, in the outback with no chance until I get near the coast, intend to when I can purchase some, I try to bypass big pharma for health complaints, look into Barbara O'Neal, she got jumped on in Australia for doing good. Very good information.🙏❤️🇦🇺
@@DatDyme980 just started taking taurate and have been taking coq10 all along
The only two times I had afib was when I was in the hospital for surgeries unrelated to the heart. Now because of this my doctor wants me to take a blood thinner as a precaution. . Is this really necessary? Eliquis is SO expensive.
I was on Eliquis (Apixaban 5 mg/twice a day) and Ramipril 5 mg./twice a day for 3 years and my mini strokes just got worse. I quit taking them and went on Nattokinase 12,000fu/once a day and in 3 weeks the mini strokes have almost stopped with no vision loss. Apixaban thins the blood but it doesn't dissolve the fibrin in clots but Nattokinase does and it thins the blood to.
I had a mini stroke in 2017 a few days after having a kidney biopsy.I was taking it easy as directed when it happened.Drs. never would say there was a connection but it seems likely.They put me on Elliquis and Metoprolol.I was 71 when it happened, nothing since...
Risk benefit analysis must be applied. In our case, my wife nearly bleed to death, twice, using Eliquis for pre-emptive stroke prevention. She was hours away from death and required transfusions to stabilize her. She was never a stroke victim, but did have atrial fibrillation. Our solution was to have the maze procedure to counter the afib, and the atrial clip procedure to counter the stroke potential. The maze procedure was somewhat successful, while the atrial clip procedure has been a complete success. No more "blood thinners" a misnomer by the way. Anticoagulant is more precise.
The vid on the maze procedure says no blood thinner required after
Thanks for the informative video. Given that my CHADVAS score is only 2 points (female over 65) with no other risk factors I am going to stick with exercise, vegetarian diet, transcendental meditation, a 81 mg aspirin, and continual education. I read Cure Afib by Dr. Day. Onward!
I'm 70 and had a successful ablation 4 years ago. Since then I have had no recurrence of afib as measured by ekg, mobile ekg, Zi0 patch, and loop recorder. I have no other co-morbidities so I have declined anticoagulants. My cardiologist is in agreement. He said, and I agreed, that if I had an implanted loop recorder and showed no afib for a year, he would agree that taking anticoagulants would not be necessary in my case. So there was no fib detected and therefore no need for a blood thinners. I realize that not all afib patients have similar outcomes to mine.
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Never drink alcohol nor smock. Keep eat healthy veges, fish, shrimp & never overweight either. And this week stay in hospital few days for stroke "blood clots." Well "never stop learning & input your knowledge daily 🙂 " Thank you Doctor AFib 👍
I had a first afib and one paf my doctor did put me on elliquis but then another cardiologist did change to Coumadin he claim that it’s a better known drug , my gastroenterologist is against because I have Crohn disease and some continued bleeding
What do you think ?
I am 70 old in normal shape no diabetes no cholesterol
Passed on all of them after starting a new blood pressure perscription that set me into a coma like a bad prohibition 1925 booze and paralysed half my body after shutting down my remaining kidney the other being lost from perscriptions, called stroke from high blood prressure..
My psychiatrist has made the decision along the neurologist that my psychomotor seizures are more on the depression side than regular psychomotor seizures.
I was born with a big heart and the brain activity irritates the heart.I have AFib and all the rest.I need to take the ......vas.... something test.
But my question is does cor
I am a 69 year old male, 5'9" and 156 lbs. Had a TIA (mini stroke) in May 2022 and put on Plavix. In November diagnosis with AFib which Plavix was changed to Eliquis. After that diagnosed with stage 1 cancer tumor on right kidney. My understanding to have cancer surgery, I need to be off blood thinners which puts me at risk for stroke. Currently thinking about Watchman, but with cancer, I don't have allot of time to think.
I had something similar I have a fib I got a cardioversion and then I had prostate cancer surgery. I got the prostate out the cancer is gone. And then I did end up going back into a fib. I’ve had six cardioversion‘s and now I’m on a antiarrhythmic pill amiodarone. Has side effects not yet but they say they could hit. Drug is working well. It seems to keep me in rhythm. Good luck. A fib is chronic it has a tendency to come back more as you get older.
I had the same.cancer in 1990 they removed the kidney never had a problem since I have many other issues nit related to the renal cell carcinoma including afib.
I had afib and was 65years old..my cardiologist told me I had only 1% risk of stroke(good bp and cholesterol non smoker, no diabetes, not overweight and generally fit) so I didn’t take blood thinners. But still had a stroke
6 years ago. It has totally changed my life and I often wish I had died of the stroke. Now take dabigatran to prevent another stroke.
My brother has afib. He has a mitral valve prolapse. He is 76. I am 73. I also have a mitral valve prolapse. Is there any evidence that afib is hereditary? Could he have gotten afib because of the valve?
I have a fib thank you for your video
Can you talk about multiple ablations, especially for people with valvular disease and connective tissue disorder? Also, relative need for blood thinners in such cases.
My first ablation took 2 - 3 hours longer than expected. I'm assuming it was because of the connective tissue disorder. Now I'm in persistent A-Flutter and maybe AF and probably need a second ablation.
Ablation is burning or laser inside the I would think that would cause more heart damage,,,, nothing is a guarantee or a cure just don't want to risk more damage
My risk is very low imo bcus i'm waiting for a stress test to be done... i say it's low bcus i have no diabetes etc... i take fish oil... is that good enough?
Too leaning on medication and invasive treatment.
Can a patient stop taking xarelto when ecg comes back with normal sinus rhythm?
Dear Dr.I have had A Fib. for the last 17 years.I was one of the first to have a Watchman installed .After 2 years of monthly heart control.Dr said all is perfect.17 years later i am living a good life.I take 1 baby aspirin 81 mg a day.
Watchman takes a few hours to install and must be controlled every month if its healing properly.Thats very important.I got it done in Germany where the watchman was invented. Perfect job. Thank you.
But did that device control your afib??🤔
I cannot answer 100% but I sleep better.I am not afraid of blood clots.
The medication I take 10mg Bisoprolol,50 mg Cozzar or Losarten and a 81 mg baby aspirin..I have sometimes a little AFib when I lay in bed to sleep. Sleeping on my left side REALLY helps me.
I am happy I got the Watchman implantation.
When you feel Afib or Bfib I always take 400 MG magnesium and one asperin for 12 years now. It works for me very well.
I’m already taking Warfarin 11 years for a mechanical heart valve, so why do I need another blood thinner for afib?
I have may thurner syndrome and i refused a stent and blood thinner.
Right now i am using omega 3 and evening primrose and some times enzymes.
I.will.add.these
I agree 100%. Way too many drugs today. Some if this is BS. A score of 1-3 is low & many people fall in that category w/o AF.
Thank you very much.
And just what people took before the "age of the blood thinners"?
Excellent question
my risk score is 1 and was put on pradaxa. do i really need a blood thinner? i am 55 and at risk of gi bleeds.
I have occusionaly Skip beats and palpitations since from 2019 taking metoprolol and now blood thinner us it A Fib
If Afib has been controlled for ten + years, (no relapses), blood thinners are not recommended/required?
I take Turmeric and Cayenne Pepper supplements This Keeps my BP slightly below normal.
Dear Dr. Afib, do I need to keep taking Eliquis or 81 mg Aspirin? I had a Afib/Tackycardia 3 months ago, and restored rhythm via cardioversion. Have not had new Afib episodes by being careful not to keep heart rate too fast. My CHADS2 score is 0. I am concerned about long term side effects of both drugs, and also heard that Eliquis is more effective for preventing stroke but both have bleeding risks. Thanks for your advice, and anyone sharing experience.
I know these meds are cure I know I want to enjoy my life without side effects which some can affect your kidneys and liver, I will watch my lifestyle and enjoy my quality of life instead of being bedridden sick muscle and not enjoying
Meds are not a cure
I am a 77 year old male. I have hep-c caused cirrhosis, cured in 2014. Early this year I developed A-fib and am now on Eliquis. This Sunday they are doing an MRI to see if I may have had a mini-stroke. If not then they can do the Watchman's procedure. My fingers are crossed. What do I do if the MRI shows positive for a mini-stroke. I can't stay on BT's forever. I don't know what to do if it's positive. Can you give some advice on diet, (in case I decide to quit the BT's) and advice in general for my situation. I am active and exercise daily and keep a good diet. Any recommendations?
Can we take apixaban 2.5 with asprin 75 mg
Please suggest us
Can apixaban and asprin use togather or not
Thanks to blood thinners, my mother recently had a brain hemorrhage. There was warning signs but her doctor didn't care enough.
My first cardiologist put me on eliquid. Ended up having to get blood transfusions 2 different times. Had another heart attack followed by bypass surgery. On 81mg aspirin plus metropolol(sp) and losartan.
What were the signs?
@@cindymiller6981 bleedings that could have been very serious if not for my father having basic knowledge in in first aid and more
My insurance raised copay to over $600 mo from $41. I changed prescription insurance to Aetna. ($72) but no yearly deductible and copay $41. If your imcome qualifires Bristol Myer has $10 and a no copay program
I have the Bristol Myers $10 card - I didn't know about income requirements, I was given the card by my cardiologist when I was discovered to have afib, and there were no income questions asked of me - (however, if you try to do this yourself by calling Brystol Meyers, there could well be income verification needed - not sure about that). What is definitely required is that you have active commercial insurance of some kind in order to be able to use the card. Since the insurance I have is not very good, the copay with just the insurance would still be enormous. So the $10 card is a huge savings. Card is good for 24 months and is renewable if you call a number on the back of the card, which I successfully did once, and am on my second 24 months. I also do believe there is a maximum annual benefit amount the card is good for, which I forget amount but it's on the back of the card. I have no idea how this is calculated, or if I've ever gotten close to exceeding the total annual amount the card is good for covering - when I ask a pharmacy for that info I can never seem to get a straight answer. What I do know is BM can discontinue this manufacturer card program at any time, at their discretion, so I have to hope that I can keep using it. So far, so good...
There was also a period of time I was without insurance, and could not use the card (on my initial 24 months of having this card). I bought Eliquis at at a supermarket pharmacy using one of the Good RX type of coupons you can print out for yourself and saved a little money, but it was still well over $400 bucks. Since I can't afford that, I resorted to getting the Rx filled at a Canadian Pharmacy. Not supposed to do that, but my cardiologist didn't seem to mind, and it seems the government lets this happen with a wink & a nod, even though not supposed to. Cost about 170 bucks plus 10 shipping for 60) 5 mg pills - one month supply. You can buy more than a month supply and reduce monthly cost a bit if you have the script for it and can afford it. After due diligence and careful research, I did this as a last resort with no problems, and stopped doing that when I got insurance again and could use the card. Here is the online site for the pharmacy I used - www.canadadrugsonline.com/ Hope this info helps, for anyone that needs it.
Oh and if you're on Medicare, you're screwed - can't use stuff like this card on Medicare. I have a brother on Eliquis who was using the card, and then was forced on to Medicare when he turned 65. No more $10 fills, with his part D plan Eliquis was $47 (I think). But then after 3 or 4 months he's in the coverage gap (AKA "doughnut hole"), and price went up to around 140 - 150 I believe. (This is after Medicare still subsidizes at I think 75% , while in coverage gap). The coverage gap will remain (in his case) for the rest of the year, then everything re-sets at beginning of year. Not as good as the Bristol Myers card, but still better than no coverage.
Before any medications or surgical procedures I want to try a few ways to get my heart out of Afib.
Induce a sneeze somehow. Do a handstand for about 30 seconds. Jump in the 50 degree ocean without my wet suit. 65 year old healthy male - I think.
Hope you can still do all that when you are 81 like me.
Donate blood to decrease the viscosity. What do you think?
Why ablation surgery if you still should take blood thinners?
I had permanent AF. Diagnosed when I went to the GP with permanently cold hands and feet. I could feel the irregularity in my pulse myself. Had a cardioversion last week and went into sinus rhythm after the first charge. Been on edoxoban 60mg leading up to the procedure and consultant said to stay on it for another six weeks, in case I'm back in AF at the six week ECG. I didn't even get one point on the Chads2 score, so I'm not keen on staying on the blood thinners long term. I have seriously cut down on my wine consumption to two glasses a week, from 4 bottles.😕 I think the alcohol consumption possibly caused the AF. I'm a fit male in his early 50s.
I have recently been diagnosed with persistent AF. I’m 47. Also been put on anticoagulants but just seen a cardiologist who said I don’t need them as my bleeding risk is higher than stroke risk. Like you though he did say I’ll need to be on them one month before my cardioversion and at least one or two months after. Same for ablations. Hope you stay in NSR. Good luck from a fellow AFer.
@@raff23able Thanks. Don't worry about the cardioversion, it's really easy. I'm hoping to get off the blood thinners if i'm still in sinus rhythm at the six week ECG. I'll see what the cardiologist says.
Hey I am 37 and was in permanent afib for a month. Have been on beta blockers and got really bad anxiety and wad drinking beer fairly heavily the last few years.
I managed to get myself back to normal sinus rhythm by going for a run. It got my heart rate up and then went back to sinus rhythm.
I'm not sure if you guys are fit or do much excersise but would definitely recommend cutting right back on caffeiene and alcohol and taking magnesium and turmeric (anti inflammatory for heart) hopefully there are ways it can be managed without being on meds good luck to you guys.
@@fraybentos666 I’ve cut alcohol completely. I take magnesium I’ve been taking a beta blocker. Before I was diagnosed I was running about 25-35k a week. Nothing working to get me back into sinus rhythm. Sadly. Hoping a cardioversion will work for me or an ablation.
@@rangerwhite5165 good luck man.
I'll have blood thinners and blood clot meds. Beats a stroke.
There are double blind studies out of Japan on the effectiveness of nattokinase.
I take Nattokinase everyday, with 325 ASA.
Very promising! I just learned of it last week!😊
Do you recall the dosage?
Thank you.
My father suffered from arrhythmia and started taking cholesterol medication I don't remember which came first but I think the arrhythmia came after.
After a while he got a pacemaker inserted and started on coumadin for blood. He was on coumadin for a few years and then his doctor changed him to a New drug,
I think it was eliquis and my father had a lot of complaints he said he felt dizzy and didn't feel himself. He told me that the doctor wouldn't put him back on coumadin, so at one point he started taking baby aspirin every day. He was extremely health conscience on a strict diet and lots of exercise. After a while he had a CVA threat and then he had a full-fledged CVA, but this was because of the pacemaker. Had he not had the pacemaker only God knows!
What procedure did he say stop AFib?
Question I have tattoos before I started dealing with AFib My question now is I was told that I can't get no more tattoos because I'm on a blood thinner What is your opinion or suggestion?
When on blood thinner even your gum can bleed with normal brushing, could be worst with needles on the skin.
Excellent video. I was recently diagnosed with Atrial Fibrillation and am taking Eliquis and a Channel blocker.
I feel better than I’ve felt in several years.
Your explanation was exceptional.
I take Xralto once a day for my Afib that my doctor prescribed. It cost a dollar a pill with my insurance paying the rest. I don't know if this is a good thing or not.
That's a great price. Mine is anywhere from 440/30 pills, after
spending much $$ it goes down to 110/30,pills. It's very costly.
@@leslie2378 I think that the list price for Xralto is more than $700 for 90 pills. My insurance company probably pay less. My copay is $90.
Xralto has a plan from the manufacturer to help with the cost. If your cost with insurance is more than 80.00 a month they will set you up to buy direct from a pharmacist for the 80.00. Janssen select.
Thanks for the information. I have been on Eliquis for two years are AFib was discovered, and a pacemaker was needed. I also have had an ablation which so far has worked. The last two years I hit the donut hole and for three months my Eliquis goes from $45 to $500 an month. I was going to go off of it for three months since I don't show any signs of AFib right now to save but your information convinced me I should keep taking it. Lucky, we live close to Mexico, and I can get it there for $80 a month.
Can we take aspirin with apigat medicine
I have afib and was put on blood thinners because a clot was found in my calf and that was around the same time I had my first afib attack. My afib is new, just a month old. I am currently wearing a patch monitor for 30 days and ends here in a couple weeks. I don't like taking blood thinners but since I already have a clot plus afib I am at even higher risk. A safer medication needs to be found
Medication? Search for Natural remedies that make your blood thinner.
Can anyone explain if the VAGUS NERVE is implicated in any way with Afib ??? Thank you
Yes. Heavily implicated.
Personally I feel my paroxysmal afib is vagal afib not adrenergic . Docs don’t really recognize vagal afib or it’s causes. Healthy exercising people with no structural heart issue may have vagal afib. Mine may have begun from beta blocker given for borderline hypertension in 2008 ! I think BB an anticholinergic changes your autonomic nervous system and YES your vagal nerve functioning! Anticholinergics block acetylcholine and are muscarinic antagonists which block acetylcholine from binding to m2 cardiac cells. Acetylcholine is our primary calming neurotransmitter for heart and brain. Why would u want to block this ever with anticholinergic? Vagal nerve runs on acetylcholine! Make sure u don’t take anticholinergic unless absolutely necessary. I’m now doing acupuncture to rebalance my autonomic nervous system and clear my energy meridians. Have also discovered Jin shin jyutsu considered “acupuncture without the needles”. It’s free snd u can do yourself to unblock your energy meridians so energy flows properly to all our organs and functions. Look up on u tube Jin shin jyutsu particularly main central vertical flow, 12 organ flow, and finger holds. I also bought the booklet and flash cards at Amazon. I’ve struggled with trying to figure out my paroxysmal afib for 7 years and have recently discovered this. I also do heart math mediation with their inner balance device. I take many Andrew Lessman vitamins from HSN . (800-100 mg magnesium intensive care ! Also k2 mk7 is best kept secret for heart and bones as it moves calcium to bones snd makes sure it’s not in arteries etc) (essential 1 multi with d2000 has proper methylated b12 and methyl folate! Max essential omega 3 is necessary as it’s not in our fish! Ultimate friendly flora 25B CFU has proper probiotic strains and everything runs from our gut. Turmeric is anticoagulant and antiplatelet anti inflammatory antucsncer. And co q 10 200 mg is necessary as we age snd if we are on bp meds, statin, and others) i only trust Andrew Lessman vitamins with no additives and properly made to be bioavailable) ( I also began valerian root 250 mg for calm and sleep)
I take electrolyve electrolytes and Aquon hypertonic from selina naturally.com as I notice dehydration precipitates my afibs, flying, hot weather , unusual stress. I felt I was sympathetic dominant again from metoprolol beta blocker which I’m off now after 10 yr for 4 yr. Being sympathetic dominant it seemed that anything extra like excess stress, dehydration , excitotoxic foods (watch 220’s sulfite additives , btw MSG is back in a big way and under different names, check labels, watch restaurant marinades etc, Chinese food has MSG back !) could push me over into afib.
So I pray that my experience and info can help someone bc healthy people exercising, eating right etc should not be getting paroxysmal afib! The underlying cause needs to be found so this epidemic can cease before everyone is on blood thinners! Btw I’m not on them bc I get paroxysmal afib although it can last for hours but I’m not getting it unknowingly. I use Kardia mobile and can test for it and my Apple Watch helps a bit too. I’m fighting to fix this before it ever becomes perm afib where I guess I lose my choice…
@@joanngraz3651 I take Andrew Lessmans vitamins too, since around 1982 and i love them.
@@joanngraz3651 yes, i take K2 mk7 and take Eliquis & Metropolol.I take Andrews Omega3, Hair & nails, Essential One& ultimate Eye. Glad to know some else likes him.😊
Yes, this nerve innovates the heart and the stomach. So large meals are to be avoided as stretching the stomach overr simulates the nerve, sending a negatuve feedback to the heart. So causing it to race.
Good day Dr. Afib. I hope my question will make it. I am a 60 year old male and my chad score is one (treated border line HBP). I had a terrible history of PVCs & PACs starting at 27 years old (Idiopathic I was told). Don't drink, don't smoke, no coffee, no pop and was in good shape most of my life (Army for 35 years). Sometimes in 2008 I started to have SVT (Flutters) for like 12 hours with no apparent reason, and was put on Sotalol 60 mg twice a day which was gradually increased in the course of 3 years from 60 mg twice a day until max dose (240 mg twice a day). By the time I got booked for an ablation in 2011 for the flutter, it had become Afib. The EP told me that a Flutter ablation would settle down the afib also. I was clear for a few months but the Afib quickly came back. Again, Sotalol and Aspirin this time and was able to make it relatively Afib free till Jul 2015. The attacks became quickly longer and more frequent. Went for a PVI Ablation procedure in Jan 2016 and was free of Afib until 6 months ago. Again it is getting bad really quickly and it feel different now. I seems to be constantly in and out of Afib for days at the time. I mean like 30 seconds NSR and the next 30 seconds in Afib on and off. I am waiting to see an EP Team, I am back on max dose Sotalol with Xarelto this time. I am symptomatic, and want that awful feeling gone. So my questions is as follow: Is it possible to have a third ablation and in the same time can I request a watchman be put in place while getting the ablation, and of course should I stay on Xarelto (no issues with it so far). Thank you.
Hi doctor AFib I’m on A blood 🅰️ thinner and I’m scared that I’ll get A blood 🅰️ clot in my chest
The anticoagulant will keep blood from clotting -
Please look into any ongoing dental infections , kidney/bladder problems as electrolytic imbalances can be causing heart rithm problems which in terms can affect blood cells binding to form clots - anticoagulants are v important and aspirin isn't one !
Doctor, Can you talk about the potential of turmeric as an anticoagulant?
I don't drink those but I do have a watery blood
Can you talk about the watchman.
Eliquis costs $628.00 per month here in my area in USA, Warfarin $4.00 a month. I had an ablation and stopped taking blood thinners. Best decision I ever made in my life. MY bleed out risk is several times my stroke risk. Blood thinners have killed 2 of my friends. Just last week my friends mother fell and had a bleed out in her brain, she was on blood thinners. I feel every heart beat. I know within millisecond when I go into A fib. If I get a A fib episode I have Eliquis on the shelf I will start my blood thinners id needed. I been o this journey for 11 years now, I only go on blood thinners when I'm in Fib, when not I don't take them. Do you wear a cast just in case you break your Arm Dr. ??? Please advise..
I had Afib (age 69) from Covid where my heartbeat was stuck on 150 BPM they gave me Diltiazem and Eliquis it dropped it immediately....RHB 65...good blood pressure....I haven't had an abnormal heartbeat since the day it was stuck at 150. I hate taking meds...I don't have diabetes....and use to take an aspirin every day for 30 years. Unfortunately I don't trust doctors anymore...they lied about Covid and I have Zero trust in them now...
I'm a UK physician. Here in the UK 🇬🇧 Eliquis costs the patient a maximum of £9.35 per month for an NHS (National Health Service) prescription. If you are on more than a few regular meds a pre-payment certificate costs £108.10 per annum after which all prescriptions (unlimited) are free for a whole year which obviously works out much cheaper. Interestingly the price the NHS actually pays for Eliquis 5mg twice daily is £79.88 per month thanks to bulk purchasing power of the NHS, but it still only costs the patient £9.35. I had an ablation in 2014 and have been in Sinus Rhythm ever since. The Professor in London who did my ablation recommended I stay on blood thinners, just as the doc advises in this video, because you may still get silent episodes of AF (brief episodes while asleep say) but still with an associated risk of stroke. I switched from warfarin to Eliquis back in 2014 and have never looked back - no swinging around in warfarin levels with increased risk of bleeding. I don't even bruise easily on Eliquis. The risk of bleeding with Eliquis is much, much lower than warfarin and no need for pesky blood tests to check levels.
If you want to take Eliquis only when you're in AF I wouldn't rely just on recognising it yourself - you may not always do so - I would strongly advise getting an Apple Watch - well validated to be highly accurate at detecting AF from background monitoring (shows up in your daily Apple Health feed - as AF burden with a % score) and you can also run a validated ECG on your wrist in 15 seconds as a double check anytime you want to & it will interpret the result for you - Afib detected / No Afib detected.
@@gdok6088 That's some really good info! I take the blood thinner xarelto. With my insurance it costs $52 dollars per month out of pocket. I live in the States. I've been on xarelto for a bit over 3 years. So far there's been no negative side-effects that I'm aware of!😊
@@gloriamaryhaywood2217 Thanks :) Pleased to hear that with insurance your xarelto is a much more reasonable cost than Eliquis costing $628.00 per month as mentioned in the comment by @Mike Salcito
@@gdok6088 Yes, I'm very grateful, because without insurance it would be close to the price that Mike quoted! I guess the reason they are so expensive here is because those meds are still under patent??🤔
The risk of warfarin to cause vascular calcification; hence, edema and congestive heart failure? Such a complex issue, because lasix and furosemide typically result in decreased electrolytes, which leads to high blood pressure, and the commonly neglected task of the measurement of electrolytes except magnesium. Since sodium levels of the blood and urine can differ, just as oxygen levels of the blood in contrast to the oxygen level of an organ with a clogged vessel. A test to determine calcification within vessels also is ignored by typical medical providers. Difficult always to monitor and control? Without control, these factors have caused my friend to lose significant weight and to become very weak.
I am suppose to be on a blood thinner I have 2 family members who was on blood thinners both bleed out I had my Dr lower the blood thinner down to 2.5 is that a good start will. It make much difference I tried an aspirin then the lung Dr said get off the aspirin I really don't know what to do??
Try eating onions and garlic every day. I do and I'm on xareto and metoprolol for high blood pressure and AFib. Natural foods always help.
@@mrs.847 garlic is a natural blood thinner and it lowers your blood pressure. At least it lowered mine!? Anyways, be careful about using natural blood thinners if you are taking a prescribed anticoagulant. It increases the risk of serious bleeding!😨
How long must an afib episode last in order to build a blood clog which will eventually cause a stroke?
24 -48 hours is what I learned?
MOTROPILAL PLEASE DO A VIDEO
Can I ask what any of you do for pain while on a blood thinner? I have been on aspirin for years for multiple severe joint injuries from a car accident. I cannot take Tylenol, cannot take anti-inflammatory drugs. Terrified to lose the aspirin for pain control.
I took three cpove of garlic and one pill of asprin i hope nothing bad happen to me
Auricular clotting forms via the intrinsic pathway? Perhaps the reason ASA is not as effective as direct thrombin inhibitors.
Has anyone looked at blood groups and risk of stroke?
Blood group O have less von Willebrand factor and are at greater risk for bleeds via the extrinsic pathway correct?
It would be interesting to see if the blood group O placebo group had fewer strokes and therefore were at a lesser risk for stroke.
I had AFib for yrs before i even went to a cardiologist. When I did, he put me on Metoprolol, Diltiazem, Flecainide, Lisinopril, and Eloquis. I don't take the Eloquis, I just take 2 aspirin 81 mg per day. I think I'm way over medicated!!!!
I think so too. Sounds like he just threw the whole medicine cabinet at you. You should get another doctor’s opinion.
What about having a Watchman implanted? Stop taking thinners?
My stroke level was at 0 and they still put me on blood thinner!
Same for me. I developed afib in 2020. Nope for me on pharma blood thinners. I use garlic, cayenne, vit e, fish oil and curcumin. I have zero underlining factors for a fib. I was athletic and fit, not on any meds or any other health condition. All they could come up with was my age of 66. All labs and tests were normal and there solution was heart meds for a healthy heart and blood thinners. nope and nope😁
Money. Doctors get perks from pharms to push the latest meds.
Little mention of blood thinner side effects. Watchman longevity and Watchman procedure downsides?
Eliguis is safer than warferin. But both have bad side effects. Turmeric has no side efects unless you use to much 😂 xtra trips to the bathroom . Bloating. Still sounds better than meds