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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- On Get Up, Jay Williams, Monica McNutt, Tim Legler and Alan Hahn recap the Denver Nuggets winning their first NBA Title in franchise history.
0:00 Highlights and reaction
2:00 JWill’s take on Game 5
7:00 Nikola Jokic’s multiple MVPs
8:00 Is Jokic an all-time player?
11:00 A whole new level to Jokic’s game in future seasons?
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Yes, 100% he's an all-time great player. He was even before this playoff run
He was definitely an all time great but this playoff run, gave clarity to those who doubted his greatness. From the looks of it he's gonna be the best player in the league for years to come.
most dominant and unstoppable center since shaq came in the league, tell me who in the entire nba can say with confidence and do so on the court ''I CAN STOP JOKIC'' ?!
He’s one of the best centers in history on skill alone, the accolades are gonna keep piling up
@@kowaikokoro I would not call him dominant and unstoppable , that'd be like calling John Stockton dominant and unstoppable .
I would call him versatile and wily, with a high basketball IQ . He has an ability to outfox more physical and dominant players , with finesse.
@@avibhagan i mean 1-1 you cannot stop this guy, when jokic has the ball at the block or freethrow line he attracts 5 guys on him i'd say that his basketball IQ makes him even more dominant cause when the defence collapse he makes the right play at the right time with passing 10/10
Perks: "Jokic is ring padding now, he's gone too far!!😡🤬"
Perk should not be on the air.
Perkins keeps antiwhiteism and jealousy alive.
Jokic literally Thanos'ed through the whole playoffs in a ridiculous historic run, I'd pretty much say yea he's an all time great
-- didn't realize Thanos was Serbian?
Look at his face when they won, he pretty much walked through the whole playoffs
These Is Three Comments It Isn't Two Comments.
So Why You Say It was Three Comments?
In 8 seasons Jokic has 5x All NBA, 5x All Star, 2x MVP, 1x WCFMVP, 1x FMVP, 1x Championship, thats pretty crazy accolades in his first half of his career. The guy is just now entering the "prime" ages of basketball. Im excited to see what the next 8 years brings in for this guy.
His versatility is unmatched at the 5. Passing, shooting, post game, IQ, playmaking. He’s proved he’s clutch.
I genuinely think the bar is set so high for him, he went 28/16/4 on 12/16 shooting which by any standard is a stellar close out game. Easily would’ve had double digit assists if the team hit some shots too.
He’s a unicorn, and himself IS the system. LeBron needs teams built for him and is niche as he is so ball dominant. Jokic contributes in all areas for a team to be successful, his efficiency is uncanny. Every time he touches the ball you know something is about to happen.
Not to mention he was a sharpshooter for the whole playoffs, 40%+ from 3.
Unreal productivity and a true winner.
Congrats Champ 🤴
Why bash bron tho? Didn’t they go and get AG and kcp for him?
@@bandom3686 I agree about LeBron (why bash him to make a point?) But AG and KCP? They're pretty good role players, nothing more.
@@bandom3686 Nah he speaks truth. Also don't talk about bashing when you do the same to Jokic in your comment.
@@srdjankovic how is that bashing? Sound mad crazy rn joker best big in tha league should be 3x mvp
@@mattgoldberg4335 same thing for James. They got him good role players
Before finals “Heat are a real threat. They beat the top 2 teams in the east” after finals “Nuggets have to win another one vs a true contender” 🤣🤣
He’s already got more accolades and records than a sizeable chunk of all time greats in that top 25 bracket.
I’d personally take his career over KD’s.
What about Dirk?
Dirk: 1 MVP 1 FMVP
Jokic: 2 MVP 1 FMVP… and counting!
Jokic is already sneaking up on guys like Dirk and KG and he’s just getting started. Those guys are both considered Top 25, Jokic is looking like he’ll crack the Top 15 All Time with ease 🤷🏾♂️
@@TreyJaySoSway Big Mavs fan here. Jokic is better at every facet of the game than Dirk except FT shooting.
@@floorgeneral309 Dirks career longevity is the only thing he has above Jokic right now. Jokic is definitely a better player, that was never a doubt 😂
Jokic > MJ > Lebron > Kobe😂
Giannis has more then him and they are about the same age so relax
So happy to see jeff green and deandre jordan get a ring 🎉
I was happy to se Deandre (whose first name is Hyland), get in the game.
You guys should be ashamed for slandering joker and costing him the MVP cause now he got a finals MVP
Could argue the same on his 2nd MVP when there was Joker bias across the media. Also, it is a regular season award.
What about the mvp that he won when giannis deserved it,we can say the same about giannis he won the finals mvp because the didn't give him the mvp during the regular season same with jokic now
@@chukwuemekaibeh He had the highest PER in the history of the league and his 2nd and 3rd best player in Jamal and MPJ were injured the whole year.
That aint bias.
@@just1992 Giannis was not playing better than Jokić that season. If I remember right he also missed a bunch of games?
They can’t let him out due Jordan
Definitely a real championship 🏆. No super teams. They drafted and developed their own stars, added pieces around them. This is how you do it. Respect to Denver.
Only team probably in history that won a Championship with only one all star player !
@@minnuss could have been 2 all stars. Jamal murray should have been an all star pre injury
@@minnuss2011 Mavs.
@@tadeokrzos2550 hahah, jason kid, stojakovic, terry, shawn marion...etc...
Bro there's been many, one example is the 2004 pistons
Jokic gives a refreshing perspective on sports dominance. He does not take it too seriously. He just do his job the best way he can.
How many players have 2 MVPs, led the playoffs in points, rebounds, and assists, a finals mvp, and a championship? That will answer your question.
done! no debate needed
They played 1 year..noone knew how good team was. Now teams will adjust.
Jokic > MJ > Lebron😂
Giannis has all those,plus a dpoy plus the most imporved player of the year,relax jokic is great but don't act like he is the only one
@@just1992 nobody said Giannis wasn’t great but if you read the post he mentioned leading the entire playoffs in pts, rebounds and assists, which only Jokic has done
He's won 2 MVPs, that alone makes him in the convo of the greats. Now with a Championship, Finals MVP and other accolades, he's undoubtedly in the convo for the best Centre ever. And he's only 27.
*28
It's not his fault what era he was born in but he isn't playing against anyone. The has just two centers, Jokic and Embiid.
@@truth.74 true. But he's got the frame/size/reach to be dominate against other big men, but has incredible vision and touch unlike almost any Centre before him.
@@truth.74anthony davis
Yes, he’s an all time great in that he’s completely changed the center position. A center that runs the offense.
110 percent yes he’s the best player in the league right now no question he’s top 10 all time center now he’s gonna be the best center of all time by the time he retires
Shaq
@@Brendacole3000 by the time he retires read the whole thing dude
Relax. Did you see Kareem in his prime? Or Hakeem?
Did you see prime Shaq? Bigger and stronger than jokic. Better shot blocker.
@@edsteadham4085 But Jokic is a better passer, better playmaker, more efficient, way better shooter, can score from 3, and can do everything on the court. Shaq is the worst shooter in NBA history
Just run it back. Denver don't need anything. They can score inside and perimeter, elite defend, they are young, they have size and they are hungry. Gordon, KCP, Braun, Brown, MPJ, all these auxiliary players are freaking solid. These guys can shoot and defend at a high level. Keep it all together and run it back.
They can't afford Brown. He's going to get the bag. They'll have to draft someone to play the Braun role and for Braun to step up into the Brown role.
@@TheGeorgeD13 I noticed last night on ESPN that Brown is making too little for what he brings to the table. He wont accept that. He will leave probably as a FA.
They can sign vets on min contracts, and look for some good G-league guys to fill roster spots, 9,10,11. They can build a second unit that can run for 5 minutes in the 3rd to give the starters a rest before the 4th.
NB, Phil Jackson did that with the Bulls. MJ and Scottie always took a 5 minute break at the end of the 3rd. (They might come back on for the last minute of the 3rd).
MPJ and Murray may have health issues going forward which will be what you have to look out for.
They need to somehow keep Brown since he’s the only consistent bench player in the playoffs otherwise bench will fall flat and they need a back up Center to replace DeAndre Jordan and need to develop Payton Watson and hopefully Braun keeps improving
Nobody in the media mentioning that Gordon made Butler’s life extremely hard. AG’s run was one of the greatest in itself. Taking on the opposing star series after series. Got Edwards, Durant, Lebron and Butler
Yes, I don't get it how is he so underrated. Thank God Yokic
and Denver had him past two years. The brother is beast.
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Just remember. Damian Lillard was on the NBA Top 75 List and Nikola Jokic was not. 😂🤦🏾♂️
Dame is a winner
@@jarbinky1265 aahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaahhaahaha
makes you wonder what is really going on.
@@jarbinky1265winner of what
@@jarbinky1265 winner of what? Jokic literally just WON a championship while Dame hasn’t 😂
By definition, he’s a HOF player if he quits tomorrow.
He’ll be an all-time great if he keeps up the production and accolades.
He’s already an “all time great” as well. He doesn’t have to do anything else
The consensus list of top 10 all-time NBA centers goes something like this:
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Malone
Ewing
Mikan
Walton
Jokic is behind the Top 7. The first 3 have multiple MVPs and multiple titles. Shaq, Hakeem, and Robinson also have multiple titles (but only 1 MVP each). Malone has 3 MVPs and 1 title.
Everyone in the Top 7, except Robinson, was the undisputed best player in the league at one time.
Jokic is comfortably in the Ewing, Mikan, Walton tier, and he's pushing one of those guys out of the top 10.
If he somehow lost the series 4-3, he would be still a HoF player. Don't worry. He will finish his career in the elite class of HoF.
@@berryesseen Absolutely. Considering he was a 2nd round pick, he’s the best 2nd rounder of all time.
@@juliothom2408 There is no doubt about it. To me, he is already the greatest European of all time too.
He is the best player in the league right now. He can score in the low post, shoot the mid range, three, free throws, is one of the greatest passers in the league, rebound and defend in the low post. We haven’t seen a guy being able to do ALL of that since Larry Bird.
🎉He’s a once in a lifetime talent, but we have to let him continue to shine and experience longevity. With his humility and consistency, we may find that he rises to the top of many ‘Greatest of all time’ lists🤔🏀🎉
In short - yes.
It's not just his achievements, it's the way he plays. No big man played like that before him, at lest not with that level of success.
"They didn't beat any top teams so I can't rank him higher"... weren't most people saying that the Suns were the favorites in the West? And the only reason why that series was somewhat competitive was Booker shooting 80% from the field.
They beat 3 play In teams chill 😂
@@internationalpeanut1488Retarded comment
Let's not forget that Jokic was robbed of a third MVP because Perk went on ESPN and accused voters of racism for saying such. Then one guy changed his vote to Embiid because Joel had one good month of play smh. All time robbery
Congratulations to Denver but no take away from Miami because that was an incredible game. Jokic is the GOAT center and what sportsmanship that he hugged the Miami players after the game. That was an incredible game!
He's not the GOAT center dude calm down. If he retired right now he would not even be close to being the GOAT.
Jokic needs at least 4-5 mvps and 3 finals mvps and 3-4 rings to be considered goat Center plus keep dominating stats
I'm an Ivorian I'm so happy to survive all the seasons of the NBA and the total playoffs thanks to you I'm very very happy for the final between Nikola Jokic and jimmy butler it's incredible good luck everyone I love sport
I'm a huge fan of Giannis and numerous other guys like Steph, Kobe ect ect. Giannis was anointed and all time great after one title and couple MVPs. Yet there's hesitancy to claim Jokic is an all time great? It's undeniable at this point. Now where he'll land up is still to be decided but he's in the club now.
If Jokic was black & Americana,the media wouldn't br debating this question!!!!
It's only fair to mention that it's Media that is pushing this narrative and making it into
debate. True working, ordinary people of America knows
what's up.
Of course someone will buy their story.
Our media here also don't push great foreign players over our
own.
Best regards from Serbia to all good Americans
he's easily one of the best players I've ever seen. he passes like Magic. he can go full McHale mode down low with as good a touch as you're ever going to see. he can shoot and it's unblockable. he has Bird's feel for the game. he's doing this from center. unicorn
He also reminds me of Timmy D on the offensive end. Big fundamentals of the game. The joker doesn't force anything and plays the game the right way which turns into success.
Legs said he beat an 8 seed in the final. And that he needs to face a higher value opponent. Well he forgot to mention that the Lakers were the best team with the best record AFTER the All-Star break. And he swept them. Lakers had the best record since February and Jokic swept them WITH the refs giving the Lebron and the Lakers calls to help them out. The Lakers couldn’t get a single win even with the help of the refs. They even said in this segment that the Nuggets were in foul trouble early in this game. That’s how dominant the Nuggets were this playoffs. Refs kept trying to help the other teams, to no avail.
The nuggets played 3 play in teams it really wasn’t impressive chill they got they ring but people need to chill saying it’s the greatest postseason run ever 😂
Lol imagine thinking refs were "helping" a team 😅
@@internationalpeanut1488 I guess the higher seed team weren't impressive enough to beat the lower seed teams.
@@g-money3766 Imagine going your whole life thinking NBA refs have never altered games by calling biased fouls or holding their whistles when they deem fit. HAHAHAHA. Let me live that naive life you got going on.
If he retires tomorrow, he would still be in the conversation for all-time greatest big man.
In the next 6+ seasons he plays, he will cement his place as top 2 all-time centers/big men or even higher
That’s a tall order, KAJ Wilt and Russell all had arguments for being the greatest player ever at one time or another, Shaq is also extremely high on the all time list. Hakeem definitely is within reach and perhaps Shaq as well, it’s hard to win titles let’s not act like Denver is gonna be a sure thing no matter how good Jokic is to ever get another. I’m hopeful cause I’m a huge Jokic fan but let’s let the achievements come first before we start saying top 2 of all time type stuff.
@@traviskrueger9531 I get that, not counting chickens before they hatch.
This is my prediction for his career, and you tell me if this would qualify for top 3 all-time best big man:
- Back-to-back championships, 3 total rings.
- 3 finals MVP's, 4 regular season MVP's
- Big NBA record (leading in pts, reb, ast in 1 playoff)
- Tied for best passer/playmaker of all time with Magic
@@hans.lankamp I think he could be above Shaq with those achievements but not above KAJ Russell or Wilt. I know there’s going to be plenty of reasons to argue that he is as those guys benefitted from playing in a league with less teams (making it statistically easier to win titles) and played with other all time greats. I just grew up my entire life seeing those 3 as kind of a holy trinity so that’s really hard to break thru for me.
@@traviskrueger9531 I've only gotten into basketball and nba history in the past 5 years, so I have recency bias. I see Wilt and Russell, and I just can't put them above greats from the mid 80's and later, as the game seemed to get so much more competitive and taken seriously.
So for me, Kareem, Shaq and Hakeem are the 3 best big men, while Bill and Wilt mostly get added to the list to "pay respect to the elders" and not because they were as good. I know this is a generally bad recency take
@@hans.lankamp The thing with arguing about players over different generations is it’s almost unfair to compare. Some of the things older stars benefited from is less teams and “played against plumbers”. But newer generations benefited from getting to learn the game on the backs of what all the players did before them, plus all the new sports science stuff and analytics. Also the game changes in rules and how it’s officiated (look up Ben Taylor’s Thinking Basketball - Evolution of the Rules) make this impossible to be objective. But it’s fun stuff nonetheless so yeah, just watch all of Thinking Basketball’s stuff lol.
2 back to back mvps, arguably could have had the 3rd, then dominated the finals statistically and carried games along the way. No disputing this is a good team overall but jokic is its engine and its brain, nothing works without him.
People keep dogging Jokic’s defense yet he averaged a block and a steal a game throughout the playoffs and played great defense in the clutch
He's very solid defensively
People talk a lot about Mamba Mentality (and rightly so). Jokić's mentality is definitely something that should be used as reference for this next generation.
The Joker is among the greatest. A new dynasty in the making
Nicola Jokić is NOW the face of the NBA. For a league that for decades has had an image problems he is a “blessing” and will bring back many basketball that have turned off the NBA.
Are you kidding me? So you think Steph Curry and Lebron James are image problems? You must be white if you think that!
True
Jokic just getting started. He’s winning more MVPs & Winning more titles. The game is way too easy for him. He’s already the best center I ever seen play the game. & when it’s all set and done, I don’t want to hear nothing about Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, wilt
Exactly! You don't want to hear anything about them because you're probably 6 years old! Let's see how many he wins and then we'll talk!
At this point in time I don't believe that he's the "greatest" player to ever live but I do think he's the best player to ever live.
He may not be the best of all time but its certainly one of the best of all time.
Jokic beat Durant, swept Lebron, and won the finals against the team that beat Giannis, Embiid and Tatum. If those teams weren't able to handle Miami. They wouldn't add anything on this Nuggets victory in terms of legacy.
And until last week, Jimmy Butler was THE guy! The ultimate competition on the playoffs. And the Nuggets took EVERYTHING away from him. They defended the passing lanes, they defended the driving lanes, they didn't fall for the ball fakes, the pump fakes.
in Legler's view, so Hakeem's titles are no indication of him being an all time great, because those were the years without Jordan.
The Heat did not face the 76ers this year
Correction he beat an old LeBron and KD, LeBron was getting tired by halftime and was a no show in every 4th quarter, yet the Lakers always had chances to win, 2020 LeBron would have beat him again lol. Hopefully next year isn't as wide open as this year in the West
Last year they did and same team so that still stands u clown
Beat both LeBron and Durant who are out of their primes. And if he ever faces curry is also at the end of his prime. Joker ain’t face no real all time greats in their prime
@@capnocap122llol. KD just had his best/most efficient scoring season, and Booker had one of the best 2 series runs ever, scoring and efficiency-wise, if not THE best. Bron put up 40, AD is in his prime. All manhandled, easy work. This isnt even mentioning the fact Jok just won with no other all-stars - Bron, KD, Steph, etc would and, more importantly, could never. Only time Bron made it there with no all-stars, the one single time, he got swept. Every other year, couldnt even make it. 😂
Nikola Jokic is one of my favorite players since 2019 and is now the best player in the NBA the Greatest Skill center of all time and definitely Top 5 greatest Center of all time Jamal is now a second best player on a championship level team been my also one of my favorite players since 2019 much Respect for Michael Malone he’s a great coach solidify.
encouraging energy is real.
NBA champs and not by paying to get a Lebron or a KD. By drafting, by hard work, by perseverance and loyalty. NOTHING BUT RESPECT
These guys are going to run it back next season. Good luck to the rest of the NBA. We have a new dynasty in the making.🔥
people have got to stop saying Jimmy carried them to the finals, we all watched the playoffs, it wasn’t like Jimmy was going for 38 and 11 assists a game or something
Exactly!! After the bucks series jimmy basically was getting carried by the roll players
Bam was carrying weight too
Bam was the best player on the heat in the finals
Nuggets fan here. I was more worried about bam than Jimmy. Even in ECF I wanted miami to win, which they did, but bam put in a lot more effort. Jimmy was so passive
Caleb Martin turned into a top 15 player for stretches of that playoff run.
Vin Diesel is was in that locker room 😂
So is the bubble ring bron won against Miami in the bubble not as weighted according to this analysis
Definitely top 20 player of all time. Jokic will definitely get better because his style of ball is not dependent on athleticism, so he can definitely be in that Tim Duncan, KAJ style of skill based play well into his early 40s.
Jokic was even chiller than duncan given bros reaction "lets go home" 😂😂😂
I’m from San Antonio, I saw the Spurs play in those 2013-14 seasons, I have to say that Jokic definitely has that TD quiet killer energy. They’re unathletic looking, they look slow and lethargic, they’re not flashy, but after the game is over you look at the stats and they both absolutely dominated the entire time while nobody noticed and they’re barely breaking a sweat. Jokic is nowhere near the defensive wall that TD was but Jokic is such a more diverse and skilled offensive weapon than Duncan was. Both amazing players and 2 of my favorite all time for sure.
@@Cynsham I became a Nuggets fan because of Melo. I loved hero ball. The last few years watching the Nuggets grow with jokic, I feel bad for sleeping on the spurs & not watching real fundamental basketball. Either way tho, it finally happened. Been a lot of ups & downs for us. I got to witness history
Joic showing up in all black black suit.. Is that symbolic or what? what a boss. Of course he's an all time great.
Most triple-double in a single season
Lowest drafted to win the finals MVP
2 seasons MVP
1 conference MVP
1 finals MVP
Absolutely Jokic deserves to be in the All-time Greats.
He’s All Time u can’t pick and choose who u compete against. He got hardware and years still to come to solidify. He’s just now entering his prime!
The thing with joking vs some other star players is that he knows he is the best player on the team, he doesn’t think that he is the team. Denver have built a great team and have a bright future.
He lead all categories. That's pretty impressive 💯👏💯
Except blocks and steals but keep going off
He lead all major categories. Gotta be extra literal for bozo
Dats not all it’s most but go off
@@spliffy_kohlab8336I think LeBron is the only player in history to lead both teams in all major categories and win it
@@shawnchia3611 😂😂🤣🤣😂👍🏿
Of course he is, zero question. The future of NBA is bright with Joker and Greek Freak as the leader for the next generation of basketball greatness. Cannot wait for the future seasons already💪💪
Best big of all time is gonna be hard to say. I’m pretty sure most people can agree that the top 5 (in no order) are Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem. That is gonna be tough to get into but I think he’s already arguably number 6
Give the Heat some credit. They came from the play-in tournament to NBA Finals. Unfortunately, they don't have the luxury to rest, unlike the Nuggets who had plenty of rest. Jimmy Butler was exhausted and this affected his decision-making during their last possession.
Nobody should put down the Heat, they played hard and fought hard but in the end they were just beaten by a superior team
Nuggets first, but you're right. It would have been a nice tale as well,.. feel sorry for Butler and the Heat. 👏
@manua578 That's true but they can make it to game 6 at least or the series exciting.
He definitely has earned 🐐status after this season!They all did it together and that makes his stats even sweeter.He breaks those records almost effortlessly.A humble team player who just happens to be incredibly skilled.The future is bright for him and this team!Absolutely amazing basketball!Congrats Nuggets!!👏🏻👏🏻
Miami wasn’t there by mistake in a championship game I’ll give them respect it was the nba finals being in downtown Denver last night was a vibe the city needed Rockies not gonna do anything this season but glad nuggets gave us something to celebrate in the summer time with 💯🔥
Jimmy Butler is one of those guys that just like to play during the 4th Quarter only! lol
He sure is. The championship solidifies it and Nuggets will be in the mix moving forward. But since he pads his stats it has at least helped him to be the most efficient statistical player in history lol
He HAS been for at least 2 seasons. You lot are just slow
his little flip shot floater is his secret weapon
"The greatest run by a center"
That run was one of the best if not the best individual runs by any player ever
If a player wins at least 2 MVPs, a ring, and a Finals MVP, it puts them in the top 20. Giannis and Jokić are already top 20. Moses Malone won 3 MVPs. He's top 20.
Maaan. One of the best ever to touch a basketball. Браво Нико. Секоја чест царе. Фамилија пред се, статистика не. 👏 Поздрав од 🇲🇰
This is what "trust the process" means
I don’t hear this “they beat an 8 seed.” It’s not his fault the Celtics were inconsistent. It’s not his fault Giannis got hurt, it’s not his fault Embiid choked.
Without a DOUBT. ABSOLUTELY
Joker has now risen to Super Sayian God Level!
Also beware of the fusion with Murray it’s lethal!
I get what Tim was saying. I don't entirely agree with it because if we era tax, some of those all time centers we would put ahead of Jokic played some questionable competition in the finals as well. Especially compared to this Miami team. Not even talking about seeding, just from a talent perspective.
All and all it doesn't matter. I think regardless of what happens next, Jokic should go down as a top 20 player of all time, and innarguably a top 5 passer of all time. I that's how he'll be remembered by people who watch him.
He’s definitely an all time great goin forward he’s going to change the way Centers are scouted the expectation of a center goin forward if you can’t playmake going to change the way you’re ranked
he doesnt care about this conversation,he is now enjoying his Time with his Family after Winning a Championship.
Congratulations 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🎊 Nuggets!!!
Not yet, he hasn’t been around long enough to be an all time great, let’s see how next season goes. I think everyone’s giving him a little too much credit right now. Hardly hear anything about the team winning just about jokic winning, it’s like he did it by himself.
Jokic is a NBA Hall of Famer 100%
and Jokic is also a Fantasy stud. he is basketball climax lol
They talked about the heat more than the nuggets. Jesus Christ ESPN refuses to acknowledge them
I love how Jay WIll mentioned that the last 3 champions have been home grown. Just goes to show that LeBron & KD didn't need to go off & build superteams to win a championship. I truly believe that if you're really that great, you'll eventually get over the hump & win a chip, such as Giannis did, Jokic, Curry, & how Kobe did it without Shaq. I think if LeBron & KD would've stuck to the grind, they would've eventually won without having to build a superteam, & their legacies would be much more respectable. Not saying I don't respect them, LeBron is probably the 2nd or 3rd GOAT & KD is the GOAT scorer imo, but they would definitely have more respect & a better legacy had they not gone off to create superteams. And I bet it would have felt so much better, I think the reason KD is so bitter all the time is because he's knows what he did was a weak move. Lol
Dont be ignorant lol Cleveland gave him nothing the first 7 years
@@BaldDemonfake news bronsexual. That Cleveland team was ranked 3 top in defensive that year they went to the finals
@@BaldDemon LeBron's last year in Cleveland they gave him Antawn Jamison, who was coming off a 22ppg & 9rpg season, so it's not like they weren't trying. But it's just like Milwaukee where big name stars don't really want to go there, so you just have to do what you can, overpay mid-tier/borderline allstars, & work with what you have. And I don't necessarily mean he had to stay in Cleveland, he could've just gone to a team with another star who could help him, but dude went & created a whole superteam, 3 stars in their prime at the same time. If it were just him & Bosh, or just him & Wade, and he won a chip that way, that would've been just fine.
@@lazzi2462 Another aging all star that played no defense. Great help lol. Heat werent even a super team. Zero bench and no real center. KD on the other hand took the easy way out. Lebron had to leave Cleveland. Im from Cleveland, I hated when lebron left but Cleveland org is trash. Gave him nothing. Best was Mo Williams. Thats sad.
@@BaldDemon Don't lie to yourself bruh, Heat were definitely a superteam. Three superstars in their prime at the same time, good role players & vets off the bench. Not as OP as KD going to the Warriors, but the Heat were definitely a superteam. Lol
If Jokic was black & american, the media wouldn't be debating this question.
You gave the right answer,Exactly
2001 Shaq would like a word with you. His run was insane that year.
The all-time ranks from 11-20 is getting crowded. Olajuwon, Big O, KD, Moses, Karl, Jerry, KG, Dr. J, Giannis, Jokić. If Jokić wins 3 rings, you can start putting him top 10. But who gets kicked out?
These dudes be making staggering and bold claims.
He's a future HoF for sure that's 100 %
I hope he wins at least 1 more ring with Denver
We’ll.. I will say joker is undefeated in the finals so he’s up there in goat status 🤷♂️
First time a player ever lead in points rebounds assists in the playoffs. 2 time mvp. Finals mvp. Nba champion. He's 28
Absolutely an all-timer he's top 5 modern era center already.
Denver swiped lakers and almost swiped the heat in the finals. Nuggets were purelly dominant in both series and they are all talking like Heat had a chance🤦🏼♂️
Media a bunch of casuals lmao
Sadly,some people will always have doubts about the Joker... he's proved time and time again from what he's made of,and they still yappin...this is not about the basketball anymore!I guess because he is so dominant that they (obviously) have the need to make a deal about him even if there's nothing to yappin about. Congratulations to champs 🏆
the guy has NO holes in his game, no team has found an answer and he continues to dogwalk the league, yes he’s all time.
ESPN can never stay on topic
Why constantly diminishing Denver's success. Is it Denver's fault that Miami beat first seeders. All of them had their chance in 7 games. Or Lakers other teams in west.
That is so wrong thinking. Would they say the same if Memphis, Phoenix or someone else have won the title?
Should be called the moving the goal posts show
Then: media picks Suns and Lakers to beat Nuggets.
Now: “we can’t rank him higher cause he didn’t beat anyone”
his resume is basically already hall of fame worthy
it’s kinda ridiculous
Not “basically he was already a hall of famer four years ago. The question now should be is jokic a top 15-25 player ever.
He is above kd already.that answers it
Not yet
To answer the question: YES
Has sports media always been this desperate for segments and being prisoners of the moment? Since when are we determining player's all-time status before even the midpoint of their career?? I think there's just too much sports media these days. That's why there's so many idiotic or redundant segments all the time.
these guys will still say he aint an all time great, even if he gets like 5 rings, 5 mvps, 5 mvps, 3 dpoy. cause they simply hate him 🤷🏾♂️
Im only here to see if Monica McNutt is going to stand up and bless me with her unmatched beauty and high basketball IQ
The real question is whether he will stay healthy determined and motivated on a decent team. If so, then he might end up in the top 10 of all time, or even in the eternal goat debate
If he's capable of becoming a championship winning MVP multiple times, and making Denver a multiple championship winning team, he could separate himself in being as one of the bests to ever do it. Right now, he is among Dirk and Giannis - also all time greats, and like Giannis and Jokic has been a two time MVP and Finals MVP and won a title just around the same age, but Giannis has accomplished more as a two-way player. But there's so much more to be written for both as they have more years left. But Jokic has unique game like LeBron and Magic with his passing and playmaking ability at center position, which sets him apart from other legendary bigs.