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I'd say the higher bitrate preserves more details giving more noise or artifacts, but that makes sense. That probably has nothing to do with the noise reduction happening in the camera. Now we have more options for good quality image, good job DJI 👍
You noticed something really valuable in this. The new firmware gave much better skin tones. Subtle, but they went warmer and less plastic looking. I’ve noticed this in my own testing. They also improved the overall night footage.
I find the high bitrate looks more crisp while standard looks a bit more smeared. The most likely reason for that is the grain. Contrast also seems better and this probably impacts saturation.
Finally, someone made a sensible comparison between High and Normal mode! After all, publishing a recording with 60Mbps and 100Mbps bitrates, and then reduced twice, on an 8Mbps channel (youtube) doesn't give you a chance to see any differences. The only solution is to use static images, very (very!) greatly enlarged. The aforementioned lips not only regained color, but also details. Unfortunately, however, we mainly gain... noise.
This is the first time I've seen such a detailed review DJI has slightly improved the video with the bitrate firmware It was very helpful to show the bitrate standard and high in detail with DaVinci Resolve The colors are definitely richer, but it's a shame that the noise increases
Good test. I have found similar results with my GoPro 13 and its ability to shoot with high and low bitrates. With high bit rates I get more detail and saturation, but also more luminance noise that is similar to your footage. Also, the TH-cam quality setting that I watch your video on, makes a difference. When I watch it on the 4k setting there is more detail and luminance noise visible. But when I watch it at 720p, everything gets softer, more Noise Reduction is applied by TH-cam and banding appears on solid color surfaces, like the walls in your room. You can't control the quality setting that the audience watches your videos on, and this will destroy your high bitrate footage. My understanding is that if you get a Premium TH-cam subscription, TH-cam will provide you with a high bitrate stream which is supposed to look much better. However, this high bitrate stream is dependant on having high speed internet and probably watching it on the highest quality setting. I was watching your video in a coffee shop and occasionally the video would stutter and stop because there wasn't enough bandwidth available. At the end of the day, most TH-camrs would probably benefit from using standard bitrate and focus more on story and character. You seem gifted in this area so your channel should flourish.
I had assumed the noise reduction options were still there, and one would just have to up the settings when in doing high bit rate recording. Mine is arriving today, so I’ll find out for myself….
It actually ends up looking even more over sharpened to me. I feel like they need to allow you to dial down the sharpening even more. I think we are getting to the point where these cameras are putting to much resources into software tricks rather than actually improving the sensors and lenses any further.
When we turn Noise Reduction to -2 and Sharpness (Texture) to -2, doesn't that basically reduce the use of the 5nm image co-processor? Maybe HDR is still being processed in that chip. But many are asking for that to be an option that can be toggled on/off. So my question is; has DJI not figured out how to utilize the AI image co-processor yet? Can we expect better image results in the future?
Visually, I don't see any significant difference between the standard bit rate and the high bit rate in this recording, maybe the difference will be visible if we do post editing.
Hi Roma - I'm suspecting DJI will continue refining the compression algorithm to reduce the artifacts, as well as improve the thermal load in high bitrate. The 5nm SOC in the Action 5 has a lot of untapped potential for optimization. BTW I just bought your LUTs for the Osmo Action 3/4/5. I'll be taking a trip most likely to Kanchanaburi in a month and look forward to using them after the trip.
Roma, did you noticed any improvement when filming slow shutter + ND comparing to Action 4? The new firmware claims it does better slow shutter shot video
I filmed with the exact same settings other than bitrate, so the field of view should be the same. However, I filmed the clips at slightly different locations because I only have one camera, so that’s why it might look different.
back in the day you dropped free luts but they werent as good. (apologies) please share the lut you used in the intro of this video. thats pretty good. thanks in advance
I used Dehancer to color grade the intro clips. My paid LUTs deliver better results than the free one if you’re interested. The rest of the video wasn’t color graded by the way. I just adjusted the contrast and saturation.
I believe that the DJI Osmo Action Pro 5 and the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, despite their similarities, do not meet the standard I expect from action cameras. DJI has the capability to incorporate a one-inch sensor, which would deliver exceptional quality, similar to what I experience with my DJI Pocket 3. As an owner of the Pocket 3, I can confidently say that I will not purchase any action camera that lacks a one-inch sensor and robust low-light performance.
Putting a 1” sensor is going to increase the MFD, which is already a huge issue with current 1/1.3” sensors. I honestly think 1/1.3” sensors are the sweet spot, or maybe one day one of these companies is going to put AF in these cameras like on the pocket 3.
@@Romafedorov is it not possible for them to put a 1 inch sensor in here and have the option to turn auto focus on and off. Like the off mode could be the action mode. The on mode could be the vlog mode.
Dear Roma, I wanted to bring your attention to the Sony RX0 ii, a compact camera equipped with a one-inch sensor. This demonstrates that it is indeed possible to integrate a one-inch sensor into an action camera. However, it seems manufacturers may choose not to implement this feature right now, likely reserving it as a marketing opportunity for future models, positioning it as a novel advancement in action cameras. It's worth noting that Sony was the pioneer in this technology, setting the standard that others are now following. Best regards, Barbarystudio
What i noticed about the sharpness which in action 5 is callled texture btw is that -2, -1 and 0 ,change nothing to the image .Then going to +1 texture, it sharpens dramatically from the previous 0 setting ....i didn't try +2 since +1 was terrible :P
New DJI 5pro Colin's 70% battery life bed time perhaps 10pm early morning battery gone(dead) why why ? Colin's very upset help brought from Amazon perhaps sending back ? Perhaps defective ?
fact that you can't see difference on youtube because it compresses everything. all people crying about muddy footage do not know anything about bitrate compression and hevc and h.264
@ I bought it locally (sorry) and I will say it’s a huge upgrade for interface. I already had too many cameras just not a recent action cam. Hoping to use it on my Super73 ebike. Got to love technology
Is the Action 5 Pro now perfect?
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My DJI Pocket 3 & Action 4/5 Pro LUTs: bit.ly/498EZtr
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Looks like the Std bitrate is just fine for my filming. Really appreciate you making this helpful video.
No worries. Thanks for watching!
I'd say the higher bitrate preserves more details giving more noise or artifacts, but that makes sense. That probably has nothing to do with the noise reduction happening in the camera. Now we have more options for good quality image, good job DJI 👍
You noticed something really valuable in this. The new firmware gave much better skin tones. Subtle, but they went warmer and less plastic looking. I’ve noticed this in my own testing. They also improved the overall night footage.
I find the high bitrate looks more crisp while standard looks a bit more smeared. The most likely reason for that is the grain. Contrast also seems better and this probably impacts saturation.
The high bit rate, isnt going to do much in static slow shots, irs the faster moving action, to help reduce compression artifacts.
Finally, someone made a sensible comparison between High and Normal mode! After all, publishing a recording with 60Mbps and 100Mbps bitrates, and then reduced twice, on an 8Mbps channel (youtube) doesn't give you a chance to see any differences. The only solution is to use static images, very (very!) greatly enlarged. The aforementioned lips not only regained color, but also details. Unfortunately, however, we mainly gain... noise.
I see that the green is brighter on the high bitrate than standard.
Thank you!
This is the first time I've seen such a detailed review
DJI has slightly improved the video with the bitrate firmware
It was very helpful to show the bitrate standard and high in detail with DaVinci Resolve
The colors are definitely richer, but it's a shame that the noise increases
Yep. Thanks for watching!
Good test. I have found similar results with my GoPro 13 and its ability to shoot with high and low bitrates. With high bit rates I get more detail and saturation, but also more luminance noise that is similar to your footage. Also, the TH-cam quality setting that I watch your video on, makes a difference. When I watch it on the 4k setting there is more detail and luminance noise visible. But when I watch it at 720p, everything gets softer, more Noise Reduction is applied by TH-cam and banding appears on solid color surfaces, like the walls in your room. You can't control the quality setting that the audience watches your videos on, and this will destroy your high bitrate footage.
My understanding is that if you get a Premium TH-cam subscription, TH-cam will provide you with a high bitrate stream which is supposed to look much better. However, this high bitrate stream is dependant on having high speed internet and probably watching it on the highest quality setting. I was watching your video in a coffee shop and occasionally the video would stutter and stop because there wasn't enough bandwidth available. At the end of the day, most TH-camrs would probably benefit from using standard bitrate and focus more on story and character. You seem gifted in this area so your channel should flourish.
I agree. Standard bitrate will be more than good enough for most people, but for camera geeks like me the higher bitrate makes a difference.
DJI firmware has enabled higher bitrate but disabled NR - their compromise to preserve Battery economy. Silly sacrifice when image is king - mostly...
I had assumed the noise reduction options were still there, and one would just have to up the settings when in doing high bit rate recording. Mine is arriving today, so I’ll find out for myself….
@@johntourjee6900 What did you find??
It actually ends up looking even more over sharpened to me. I feel like they need to allow you to dial down the sharpening even more.
I think we are getting to the point where these cameras are putting to much resources into software tricks rather than actually improving the sensors and lenses any further.
I think you’re mistaking detail for sharpness. The higher-bitrate clips look slightly more detailed but not digitally oversharpened.
When we turn Noise Reduction to -2 and Sharpness (Texture) to -2, doesn't that basically reduce the use of the 5nm image co-processor? Maybe HDR is still being processed in that chip. But many are asking for that to be an option that can be toggled on/off. So my question is; has DJI not figured out how to utilize the AI image co-processor yet? Can we expect better image results in the future?
Please Roma!
Please do a full review of the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, and with the studio camera test! Your tests are the best!
Not going to happen as I'm not planning to buy the Ace Pro 2.
Visually, I don't see any significant difference between the standard bit rate and the high bit rate in this recording, maybe the difference will be visible if we do post editing.
Well higher bit rate is a NO NO for low light shooting then. I guess we're stuck with lower bit rate in lower light shooting.
I have a humble question that osmo 5 pro vs pocket 3 which is best for high quality video,
Pocket 3 has better image quality, but the Action 5 Pro is not that far off..
In standard bitrate tree density is low but in higher bitrate tree density is goog t-1:28
HEy have you ever taken pictures with actors with anamorphic lens DJI or GoPro? Does it really look like in the movies?
Hi Roma - I'm suspecting DJI will continue refining the compression algorithm to reduce the artifacts, as well as improve the thermal load in high bitrate. The 5nm SOC in the Action 5 has a lot of untapped potential for optimization.
BTW I just bought your LUTs for the Osmo Action 3/4/5. I'll be taking a trip most likely to Kanchanaburi in a month and look forward to using them after the trip.
I'm sure DJI will keep improving this camera more and more. Thanks for buying my LUTs!
I can’t see so much difference between standard and hight bitrate videos.
Roma, did you noticed any improvement when filming slow shutter + ND comparing to Action 4?
The new firmware claims it does better slow shutter shot video
Dear Roma,
Please do a video on Insta 360 ace pro 2 as Studio Camera. PLEASE
I'm waiting too!
Not going to happen as I'm not planning to buy the Ace Pro 2. I'm not a fan of Insta360.
can you give link for the video editor you used there?
I'm the video editor.
@@Romafedorov I mean what software? davinci resolve?
@@mobalearn resolve
Why is the image on the left wide and the image on the right where the high bitrate is narrow?
I filmed with the exact same settings other than bitrate, so the field of view should be the same. However, I filmed the clips at slightly different locations because I only have one camera, so that’s why it might look different.
People have turned these cameras into vlogging cameras, GoPro is an action camera.
back in the day you dropped free luts but they werent as good. (apologies)
please share the lut you used in the intro of this video. thats pretty good. thanks in advance
I used Dehancer to color grade the intro clips. My paid LUTs deliver better results than the free one if you’re interested. The rest of the video wasn’t color graded by the way. I just adjusted the contrast and saturation.
I believe that the DJI Osmo Action Pro 5 and the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, despite their similarities, do not meet the standard I expect from action cameras. DJI has the capability to incorporate a one-inch sensor, which would deliver exceptional quality, similar to what I experience with my DJI Pocket 3. As an owner of the Pocket 3, I can confidently say that I will not purchase any action camera that lacks a one-inch sensor and robust low-light performance.
Putting a 1” sensor is going to increase the MFD, which is already a huge issue with current 1/1.3” sensors. I honestly think 1/1.3” sensors are the sweet spot, or maybe one day one of these companies is going to put AF in these cameras like on the pocket 3.
@@Romafedorov is it not possible for them to put a 1 inch sensor in here and have the option to turn auto focus on and off. Like the off mode could be the action mode. The on mode could be the vlog mode.
That is why pocket 3 exist. So why you expecting from every camera to be the same?
Different cameras, different scenarios.
So how are you going to record your scab diving, hiking, skiing and outdoor activities in inclement weather? What technology will you use /
Dear Roma,
I wanted to bring your attention to the Sony RX0 ii, a compact camera equipped with a one-inch sensor. This demonstrates that it is indeed possible to integrate a one-inch sensor into an action camera. However, it seems manufacturers may choose not to implement this feature right now, likely reserving it as a marketing opportunity for future models, positioning it as a novel advancement in action cameras.
It's worth noting that Sony was the pioneer in this technology, setting the standard that others are now following.
Best regards,
Barbarystudio
What i noticed about the sharpness which in action 5 is callled texture btw is that -2, -1 and 0 ,change nothing to the image .Then going to +1 texture, it sharpens dramatically from the previous 0 setting ....i didn't try +2 since +1 was terrible :P
Thanks for sharing your experience. Personally, I would never increase the texture (thank you) as it looks too fake..
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Colin's 70% battery life bed time perhaps 10pm early morning battery gone(dead) why why ?
Colin's very upset help brought from Amazon perhaps sending back ?
Perhaps defective ?
fact that you can't see difference on youtube because it compresses everything. all people crying about muddy footage do not know anything about bitrate compression and hevc and h.264
Don't like how OA5Pro handles highlights...:S GoPro Labs allows 190Mbits stable and controll over NR.
Ohh 😮😮😮 You in Thailand
Thinking of upgrading my Hero 8 to this… interface should be a huge upgrade Ha
This would be a night and day upgrade for you. wow.
@ I bought it locally (sorry) and I will say it’s a huge upgrade for interface. I already had too many cameras just not a recent action cam. Hoping to use it on my Super73 ebike. Got to love technology
Картинка конечно не, как на покет 3, но терпимо норм.
There is no differences
There is a really subtle difference, but for the naked eye it's barely noticeable. It's only noticeable in some situations..
@@Romafedorov I know I own one from day one... People are dumb crying about bitrate. when battey life and overhearing are more important than bitrate
👍👍
the quality is still questionable...
I can’t see so much difference between standard and hight bitrate videos.