Trippy. I clicked on this video and realized that I ordered Staley’s book a couple weeks ago and totally forgot about it. Just got home while listening to this and the book was sitting in the mailbox, delivered today. Maybe Someone upstairs is saying something 🤔😉
Interesting video, thanks for sharing. Ken's story is very similar to mine having come from a Pentecostal family and gotten "high church pilled" in college. I'm happily confessional Lutheran now, but would love to visit an ACNA or a continuing Anglican church. Sadly, the closest is well over 100 miles from me.
I'm a member of the continuum in AZ, and I've reached personally to many bishops and told them exactly what you guys are saying. The issue of WO is really *really* holding back the Kingdom and unity. Even if the bishops believe in WO, the Bible specifically says to avoid what causes a brother to stumble. If this causes the Church to stumble, quit it.
Anglicanism is a “via media” between Puritanism and the Roman Church, but this does not take the Lutheran position into account, which is actually more “catholic” than Anglicanism, historically speaking. I think this fact is often overlooked. For example, Lutherans affirm: the use of the crucifix, statues, and paintings; private confession to a priest, baptismal regeneration, real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, etc. Whereas, the Church of England went through periods of strict iconoclasm, had no consensus on baptismal regeneration, and retained a Reformed “spiritual” view of the Lord’s Supper. The Anglican fathers were more catholic than the Puritans, but less-so than the Lutherans, in my opinion.
The Church of England believed in all those things you listed, and it was never strictly iconoclastic, tho images weren't common throughout various stages of the CoE's life. The Books of Homilies explicitly state that images themselves are a thing indifferent, which is basically the Lutheran position, and also the Laudians and Caroline divines brought back a lot of imagery into churches during the 17th century. Lutherans also rejected the necessity of episcopal government and apostolic succession which the Anglican fathers all affirmed, so I think in this case the Anglicans are much more catholic than the Lutherans. The Lutherans also had opportunities to accept episcopal government but they never did, so I don't see how they are a "conservative" reformation when they didn't even bother to conserve how the Church was governed for 1500 years. The Anglicans were also pretty consistent on baptismal regeneration, it wasn't until the evangelicals that that started to change. As for the Anglican eucharistic theology, the Anglicans always held that only the Priest could consecrate the Eucharist, and that there was a real change in the elements upon consecration, but not a physical or substantial change. We also never denied that the substance of Christ's body and blood is communicated to the faithful receiver's soul, but we denied that Christ was physically or locally in the elements. Instead, we believed that the bread and wine become Christ's body and blood in virtue, effect and power, through the sanctification of the elements by the Holy Spirit, and the prayers of the Priest.
@@Anglochog1 The only valid point you make is on episcopal polity, which Lutherans rightly consider “adiaphora” and therefore unnecessary. However, this is one area that Anglicans are more catholic than Lutherans.
@@Steadfast-Lutheran how were none of the other points I made valid? Also if my point on episcopacy is valid then wouldn't it be safer to attend a church with a bishop, even if there is more diversity in doctrine?
@@Anglochog1 You’re right in saying that the episcopate is one instance where the Anglican Church is more catholic than Lutheranism. However, from a Lutheran standpoint, that’s not very significant, because episcopal polity is not seen as prescribed by Scripture. The Lutheran Confessions maintain that the “Bishop-Presbyter distinction” is of human origin (not instituted by God), and therefore it’s not necessary for the Christian Church. On the other hand, the Lutheran Confessions maintain the desire to retain the episcopate for the sake of order and unity with the rest of the Church. During the Reformation in Germany, bishops generally sided with the Roman Church, so presbyterial ordination became the norm. However, in Scandinavia and other regions of Europe this was not the case, and the episcopate with apostolic succession was preserved. Now on a global scale, most Lutheran churches in the world have restored the episcopate (especially in Africa). However, the Missouri Synod in the U.S. retains a congregational polity for historical and practical reasons. The first bishop of the Missouri Synod was deposed due to scandal, and ever since the synod has avoided having bishops. Lastly, it’s important to point out that Lutherans don’t believe apostolic succession is necessary for a valid sacramental ministry. We don’t believe it’s the prayers of priest that consecrate the bread and wine, but the very words of Christ Himself in the Words of Institution that effects the sacramental change in the elements.
33:48 It's a really reductive to boil Edward's beliefs down to his courtiers. Despite being so young, all historical evidence does show that these were his own beliefs. A lot of his reforms actually prevented the Anglican Church from being made completely catholic again under Mary.
I typed a huge comment asking a question so I will just try and get to the point as it deleted itself for whatever reason. I'm English, living in England, baptised & confirmed Anglo-Catholic, but I'm thinking of leaving to join the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham as for me, the Anglican Church is turning away from what it set out originally to do. Here is my question to you, a question with an answer that will ultimately decide whether I stay or leave: Do we have to follow the archbishop of Canterbury as a Church leader? You may have noticed that an opening has been left upon the resignation of Justin Welby as archbishop, some even discussing that the next archbishop could 'rightfully' be a woman, which I highly disagree with. Not only this but the Church of England allows gay marriages, openly homosexual clergy with same sex partners & female priests. Where do you sit with all of this? If you are an Anglican surely you are still under the Church of England? Which has become openly heretical. I need to know your stance & the stance of Anglicans around the world as you will be much more knowledgeable than me, who is but a humble servant of Christ but I too am eager to learn. The CATHOLIC tradition means universal, and this universality should be separate from Protestantism & more in line with both Rome & the East. Are there plans to remove ourselves from the CofE? Or has that already been achieved with the Ordinariate? As even St John Henry Newman eventually left as the intellectual head of the Oxford Movement (precursor to Anglo-Catholicism as we see today) to join the Roman Catholic Church... I feel the Ordinariate is a better option for us. No gay marriage, no trans priests, no homosexual or female clergy, no grand heretical teachings... Please do let me know your thoughts, I'd be happy to hear from both you & the interview-ee, God bless.
@@SpearOfLughh I am an Anglican in the US in the ACNA. I am also troubled by those hereitcal things you mentioned happening in the Anglican Communion. In Church History there were times when most of the bishops, save for St. Athanasius, were heretical Arians. This, more than the modern abuses of the sacraments that we are forced to endure, was a heretical denial of the full divinity of Christ! Even the Bishop of Rome excommunicated St. Athanasius. None of this excuses the errors we see but does mean we have to fight them knowing it doesn't invalidate our faith in orthodoxy. As Anglicans our problems with Rome still exist and have not changed just because Anglicans fail to proclaim orthodoxy. So if you think orthodox Anglican theology is true, I do not see how abandoning full orthodoxy and pure doctrine just to keep our beautiful liturgy, by joining the Roman church can be defended. Now, if you opinion on the Papacy and works of supererrogation has changed to agree with Rome, then I can understand why you might convert. But I don't see how Anglican failures are somehow ipso facto wins for Roman Catholicism (which the Ordinariate is).
@Young_Anglican Thank you for your answer, I suppose I'm just tired & frustrated with feeling like im part of a Church that has already fallen so deep into heresy that it cannot be saved. Having no actual argument for why there are ACTIVE & practicing homosexual priests in our ranks just leaves a bad taste with me, as well as my country being literally under siege from more woke madness you would deem unimaginable. It's hard for me mate, it's hard for all of us here. I love your channel btw & it is a real hidden gem & a beacon of light for us in the Anglican communion. Do you have any discord servers or something similar where I can connect with likeminded people & discuss these problems I find myself with? One of my biggest gripes with Roman Catholicism are the Marian dogmas, some I agree with, others not at all, such as her immaculate conception.. I need resources & help, thank you for your reply, it means a lot to a struggling believer like me
Are you serious when you describe the confiscation of the Catholic monasteries and churches and turning them over to the political friends of Henry as moderate? Do you actually consider the tracking down and murder of faithful Catholic priests and nuns as moderate? In regards to the "Celtic Church", often quoted by Anglican apologists, can you cite contemporary works, in either Latin or Irish, to support your claims?
Trippy. I clicked on this video and realized that I ordered Staley’s book a couple weeks ago and totally forgot about it. Just got home while listening to this and the book was sitting in the mailbox, delivered today. Maybe Someone upstairs is saying something 🤔😉
I started reading it right as this video came out. So I'm finally getting round to watching it lol.
I literally just got done binging episodes 1 - 7 on Spotify at work. Thank you Joe : )
Interesting video, thanks for sharing. Ken's story is very similar to mine having come from a Pentecostal family and gotten "high church pilled" in college. I'm happily confessional Lutheran now, but would love to visit an ACNA or a continuing Anglican church. Sadly, the closest is well over 100 miles from me.
I'm a member of the continuum in AZ, and I've reached personally to many bishops and told them exactly what you guys are saying. The issue of WO is really *really* holding back the Kingdom and unity. Even if the bishops believe in WO, the Bible specifically says to avoid what causes a brother to stumble. If this causes the Church to stumble, quit it.
Exactly! If the ACNA got rid of WO, the continuum would enter full communion full stop.
Anglicanism is a “via media” between Puritanism and the Roman Church, but this does not take the Lutheran position into account, which is actually more “catholic” than Anglicanism, historically speaking. I think this fact is often overlooked. For example, Lutherans affirm: the use of the crucifix, statues, and paintings; private confession to a priest, baptismal regeneration, real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, etc. Whereas, the Church of England went through periods of strict iconoclasm, had no consensus on baptismal regeneration, and retained a Reformed “spiritual” view of the Lord’s Supper. The Anglican fathers were more catholic than the Puritans, but less-so than the Lutherans, in my opinion.
The Church of England believed in all those things you listed, and it was never strictly iconoclastic, tho images weren't common throughout various stages of the CoE's life. The Books of Homilies explicitly state that images themselves are a thing indifferent, which is basically the Lutheran position, and also the Laudians and Caroline divines brought back a lot of imagery into churches during the 17th century. Lutherans also rejected the necessity of episcopal government and apostolic succession which the Anglican fathers all affirmed, so I think in this case the Anglicans are much more catholic than the Lutherans. The Lutherans also had opportunities to accept episcopal government but they never did, so I don't see how they are a "conservative" reformation when they didn't even bother to conserve how the Church was governed for 1500 years. The Anglicans were also pretty consistent on baptismal regeneration, it wasn't until the evangelicals that that started to change. As for the Anglican eucharistic theology, the Anglicans always held that only the Priest could consecrate the Eucharist, and that there was a real change in the elements upon consecration, but not a physical or substantial change. We also never denied that the substance of Christ's body and blood is communicated to the faithful receiver's soul, but we denied that Christ was physically or locally in the elements. Instead, we believed that the bread and wine become Christ's body and blood in virtue, effect and power, through the sanctification of the elements by the Holy Spirit, and the prayers of the Priest.
@@Anglochog1 The only valid point you make is on episcopal polity, which Lutherans rightly consider “adiaphora” and therefore unnecessary. However, this is one area that Anglicans are more catholic than Lutherans.
@@Steadfast-Lutheran how were none of the other points I made valid? Also if my point on episcopacy is valid then wouldn't it be safer to attend a church with a bishop, even if there is more diversity in doctrine?
@@Anglochog1 You’re right in saying that the episcopate is one instance where the Anglican Church is more catholic than Lutheranism. However, from a Lutheran standpoint, that’s not very significant, because episcopal polity is not seen as prescribed by Scripture. The Lutheran Confessions maintain that the “Bishop-Presbyter distinction” is of human origin (not instituted by God), and therefore it’s not necessary for the Christian Church. On the other hand, the Lutheran Confessions maintain the desire to retain the episcopate for the sake of order and unity with the rest of the Church. During the Reformation in Germany, bishops generally sided with the Roman Church, so presbyterial ordination became the norm. However, in Scandinavia and other regions of Europe this was not the case, and the episcopate with apostolic succession was preserved. Now on a global scale, most Lutheran churches in the world have restored the episcopate (especially in Africa). However, the Missouri Synod in the U.S. retains a congregational polity for historical and practical reasons. The first bishop of the Missouri Synod was deposed due to scandal, and ever since the synod has avoided having bishops. Lastly, it’s important to point out that Lutherans don’t believe apostolic succession is necessary for a valid sacramental ministry. We don’t believe it’s the prayers of priest that consecrate the bread and wine, but the very words of Christ Himself in the Words of Institution that effects the sacramental change in the elements.
38:30 the what heresy? Captions are being useless here and I can't quite catch that. Getting nothing on google for "capernidium heresy"
@@etheretherether I should have said "Capernaitic" heresy
@@Young_Anglican Got it, thanks!
33:48 It's a really reductive to boil Edward's beliefs down to his courtiers. Despite being so young, all historical evidence does show that these were his own beliefs. A lot of his reforms actually prevented the Anglican Church from being made completely catholic again under Mary.
Can ACNA please church plant in rural Vermont?
@@ashleysbored6710 depending on where you are in Vermont there may be some Anglican Church in America (ACA Continuing Anglicans) near you.
@@Young_Anglican Thanks! I will check that out
What are the differences between the Anglican denominations in America?
I typed a huge comment asking a question so I will just try and get to the point as it deleted itself for whatever reason.
I'm English, living in England, baptised & confirmed Anglo-Catholic, but I'm thinking of leaving to join the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham as for me, the Anglican Church is turning away from what it set out originally to do. Here is my question to you, a question with an answer that will ultimately decide whether I stay or leave: Do we have to follow the archbishop of Canterbury as a Church leader? You may have noticed that an opening has been left upon the resignation of Justin Welby as archbishop, some even discussing that the next archbishop could 'rightfully' be a woman, which I highly disagree with. Not only this but the Church of England allows gay marriages, openly homosexual clergy with same sex partners & female priests. Where do you sit with all of this? If you are an Anglican surely you are still under the Church of England? Which has become openly heretical. I need to know your stance & the stance of Anglicans around the world as you will be much more knowledgeable than me, who is but a humble servant of Christ but I too am eager to learn. The CATHOLIC tradition means universal, and this universality should be separate from Protestantism & more in line with both Rome & the East. Are there plans to remove ourselves from the CofE? Or has that already been achieved with the Ordinariate? As even St John Henry Newman eventually left as the intellectual head of the Oxford Movement (precursor to Anglo-Catholicism as we see today) to join the Roman Catholic Church... I feel the Ordinariate is a better option for us. No gay marriage, no trans priests, no homosexual or female clergy, no grand heretical teachings... Please do let me know your thoughts, I'd be happy to hear from both you & the interview-ee, God bless.
@@SpearOfLughh I am an Anglican in the US in the ACNA. I am also troubled by those hereitcal things you mentioned happening in the Anglican Communion. In Church History there were times when most of the bishops, save for St. Athanasius, were heretical Arians. This, more than the modern abuses of the sacraments that we are forced to endure, was a heretical denial of the full divinity of Christ! Even the Bishop of Rome excommunicated St. Athanasius. None of this excuses the errors we see but does mean we have to fight them knowing it doesn't invalidate our faith in orthodoxy. As Anglicans our problems with Rome still exist and have not changed just because Anglicans fail to proclaim orthodoxy. So if you think orthodox Anglican theology is true, I do not see how abandoning full orthodoxy and pure doctrine just to keep our beautiful liturgy, by joining the Roman church can be defended. Now, if you opinion on the Papacy and works of supererrogation has changed to agree with Rome, then I can understand why you might convert. But I don't see how Anglican failures are somehow ipso facto wins for Roman Catholicism (which the Ordinariate is).
@Young_Anglican Thank you for your answer, I suppose I'm just tired & frustrated with feeling like im part of a Church that has already fallen so deep into heresy that it cannot be saved. Having no actual argument for why there are ACTIVE & practicing homosexual priests in our ranks just leaves a bad taste with me, as well as my country being literally under siege from more woke madness you would deem unimaginable.
It's hard for me mate, it's hard for all of us here. I love your channel btw & it is a real hidden gem & a beacon of light for us in the Anglican communion.
Do you have any discord servers or something similar where I can connect with likeminded people & discuss these problems I find myself with?
One of my biggest gripes with Roman Catholicism are the Marian dogmas, some I agree with, others not at all, such as her immaculate conception..
I need resources & help, thank you for your reply, it means a lot to a struggling believer like me
I’m from Somerset which is right by both of those towns if anyone else is too, reply
In my area, my choices are the ACNA or the episcopal church. I just can't get over the 🌈 stuff, so ACNA it is for me!😊
Happy to have you 👍
Only TEC in my town with a lesbian priest. I love Anglican theology and have the 79 and 2019 BCP’s.
Wish there was an orthodox option for my family.
Are you serious when you describe the confiscation of the Catholic monasteries and churches and turning them over to the political friends of Henry as moderate? Do you actually consider the tracking down and murder of faithful Catholic priests and nuns as moderate? In regards to the "Celtic Church", often quoted by Anglican apologists, can you cite contemporary works, in either Latin or Irish, to support your claims?