> most of them require just ONE sa2 bar. one grab is all you > need to deal 100% stun Karakusa-SA2-Fukiage-Fukiage-jump attack doesn't completely stun most of the cast. If you see it on anybody except Gouki and Ibuki, it's because the opponent already has stun on his meter from before. It's also not always possible to land a Fukiage after the Abare-Tosanami. Sometimes you can only land jumping short Tsurugi, and then one to two ground Hayates.
i guess until you do have the time the only way to prove your unquestionably amazing abilities is to convince people that you WOULD have done better by pointing out mistakes AFTER they have happened. maybe someday you will be recognized as the best youtube 3s master of the obvious. godspeed buddy.
A move with high priority has a ton of properties which allows it to beat a similar but less prioritized move. Makoto lost so much when they took away her ability to parry. It was her only way to avoid getting zoned. it's because her command grab setup relies on it and resets. If they got rid of her FA and gave her a limited ability to parry.., allow her FA to be canceled by her command grab, then she'd fair much better. As it stands, she's a much worse character then she was in 3rd strike.
1:45 and on had to be the most epic shit ever.... the music and mood of the background even changed when she started her final long ass combo to finish him off...
@haaardstyle I wish they would make a CvS3 and fix it to have a DECENT parry system and NON BROKEN v-ism groove haha but yeah, miss the parry. I think most people just couldn't figure out how to do it right
@squishumberries For the record there is no "priorities" in SF4. It's all start up frames and hitboxes, and SSF4 has plenty of tricks up her sleeve. No where near 3S level, but up there. TH-cam Flash Metroid Makoto.
i suggest you watch makoto vids. most of them require just ONE sa2 bar. one grab is all you need to deal 100% stun on mid-sized stun bars like ryu/ken. even if it doesnt stun, makoto has the option of crossups and a wakeup game heavily in her favor. safest jump ins, fastest dash in the game, a 5 feet kara grab after tick. makotos overpowered period.
Anyone think that Makoto's aerial move reminds you a little bit of Gen? I know she doesn't have the 2 styles to switch between but some of her moves are pretty straight forward. I wonder what her ultra looks like.
@KoolDudester sure will -Ill make sure to add that on my gameplay since 1993; after visiting arcades in primary school just to play street fighter 2 and championship; or going to my friends cos I couldnt afford a snes to plass turbo; or playing ssf2 on my cousins genesis because I didnt have 1 -even though I bought the cartridge; or even buying this game for dreamcase before buying all alphas seperatly and collectors; besides grandmaster challenge ssf2 and the anniversary edition; not before 4
@nubbtard Erm....that's kind of the entire game. Everyone in the higher tiers (top 5 chars) is capable of killing in 2-3 combos. Makoto just has so many additional resets, mixup, and high stun potential that she looks more vicious.
i never said you were the worlds best either. how could you be? i am the worlds best. you can take my word for it just like you want me to take your word that you know what better to do than these players here.
@godamfatman yeah i know. im just saying makotos strong points and possibilities are endless. shes really strong to the point where i flame about her. im trying to improve my matchup against her. just that sometimes i do perfectly 95% in the match and then one grab and i get 100% combo'd pisses me off. =(
Although I am a big fan of J I think something is very wrong on that match up. 1 super from makoto = 60% in the first round, 2 supers+combo = 100% damage. Doesnt even give your opponent a chance for a comeback (which of all games, this SF3 normally does best).
@squishumberries J doesn't even play 3rd strike anymore let alone any form or variation of SF4. Also much to my undying disappointment Makoto was nerfed so bad in ssf4 they should make another nerf football with her name on it. Even if he did play SF4 i doubt he'd want to pick her up again.
@riotsword everysingle video on the the scroll counts for 19; not to mention 19 more links between linking to those videos - i only commented on a few -how about you 'mind yours'
Goddammit Capcom! Makoto could never do any of these things with her Abare becoming an Ultra rather than a super. The projectile and wakeup game's have been bolstered in Street Fighter 4, making it damn difficult for her to get in or set up like she can in 3rd Strike. Knowing that, why did you see it fit to DELIBERATELY nerf everything she had going for her anyway?
@leon1680 Akuma's roundhouse was already good... But his low health makes him hard to play in high level competition. And why complain about Makoto? Dudley if he is at all similar to his character from 3rd Strike will be one of the most highly played characters in SSF4.
@whitley1 she can still kill Akuma in pretty much 1 combo...his health is 850, & her super cancel to ultra does about 600 damage. i've won plenty of comeback matches with this combo from one well timed crouching MP to Hayate
lol like they say. makoto one grab = death against akuma. im surprised at the amount of skill in this video which was in 2000! and look at match with that kara demon. this was 2000!
@Singe125 That comment was 3 months ago so you can't blame him for that comment, we all hoped Makoto would translate well into SSFIV...too bad that game is awful.
the akuma player played the matchup aggressively and got punished for it. no teleports, barely any safe demon flip setups.. the only logical counter to that is to give him low health/stun. mak earned it
1:20 great kara demon for the round. 1:45 beginning of the rape as the answer to that kara demon. Ladies and gentlemen we have Street Fighter 3rd Strike. #1 fighting game in the WORLD.
@sonicsnake9 i just saw a recent video of top japanese player Ruu vs a makoto player. Ryu had full health and makoto did ONE GRAB with only ONE BAR and if he hadnt fucked up after stun, he wouldve finished off Ryu.
no its not dude one time in my 10 years of playing this game have i seen makoto get 2 perfects. i see yun do it at least once everytime hes played so rethink that and tell me who is really overpowered
Ok right at the 36 sec mark if I was playing I would never been that close up on her knowing she can grab you and hit you with a combo. After I attacked I would've jumped back and start firing shadukens (however you spell it) and kept my distance
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god the music in this game was absolutely brilliant
Akuma VS Makoto matchups send shivers down my spine
Poor Akuma makes one mistake, so Makoto kills him :
Not gonna lie...that kara-demon he pulled off at the end of the 2nd round was nasty...
> most of them require just ONE sa2 bar. one grab is all you
> need to deal 100% stun
Karakusa-SA2-Fukiage-Fukiage-jump attack doesn't completely stun most of the cast. If you see it on anybody except Gouki and Ibuki, it's because the opponent already has stun on his meter from before.
It's also not always possible to land a Fukiage after the Abare-Tosanami. Sometimes you can only land jumping short Tsurugi, and then one to two ground Hayates.
i agree man.
makoto is fast as hell too with those dashes and kara grabs.
j's makoto is just insane, so hype
Before the match, J looked over to Match and said:
We going hard
And Match said:
Verily
i guess until you do have the time the only way to prove your unquestionably amazing abilities is to convince people that you WOULD have done better by pointing out mistakes AFTER they have happened. maybe someday you will be recognized as the best youtube 3s master of the obvious. godspeed buddy.
You can really tell these matches are old. Interesting to see how the game and players have evolved.
*ObZ
Great match between two awesome players. What an SGS to end the second round.
J is godly. Especially vs. shortest stun bar in the game!
great match. both are sooo good.
akuma will forever be top teir
Kuroda isn't your average Akuma player, he's one of the Akuma GODS!
my all time favorite 3s match
A move with high priority has a ton of properties which allows it to beat a similar but less prioritized move.
Makoto lost so much when they took away her ability to parry. It was her only way to avoid getting zoned. it's because her command grab setup relies on it and resets. If they got rid of her FA and gave her a limited ability to parry.., allow her FA to be canceled by her command grab, then she'd fair much better. As it stands, she's a much worse character then she was in 3rd strike.
You are correct. I read that it increases the damage of the next attack by 31%
1:45 and on had to be the most epic shit ever.... the music and mood of the background even changed when she started her final long ass combo to finish him off...
@haaardstyle I wish they would make a CvS3 and fix it to have a DECENT parry system and NON BROKEN v-ism groove
haha but yeah, miss the parry. I think most people just couldn't figure out how to do it right
That was one hell of a comeback!
@squishumberries For the record there is no "priorities" in SF4. It's all start up frames and hitboxes, and SSF4 has plenty of tricks up her sleeve. No where near 3S level, but up there. TH-cam Flash Metroid Makoto.
i suggest you watch makoto vids. most of them require just ONE sa2 bar. one grab is all you need to deal 100% stun on mid-sized stun bars like ryu/ken. even if it doesnt stun, makoto has the option of crossups and a wakeup game heavily in her favor.
safest jump ins, fastest dash in the game, a 5 feet kara grab after tick. makotos overpowered period.
Makoto has the advantage, but her anti-air doesn't work against the dive kick, so it usually depends on who gets momentum.
I wish this parrying system would come back. :(
Someone remind me...does her taunt power up the next Attack or just the next hit?
I will not spoil who wins.
....... Epic win.
Anyone think that Makoto's aerial move reminds you a little bit of Gen? I know she doesn't have the 2 styles to switch between but some of her moves are pretty straight forward. I wonder what her ultra looks like.
god daaaaaaaamn!! that super juggle of Makoto's is god like.
woooooooooooooooooow. Makoto madness.
I am not saying that the styles are the same. I am saying that the way the character fights reminds me of him.
second round end:
thats why we like akuma so much!
I can never get that combo down... It's a standing fierce into the super the execution has to be surgical
I Love U Makoto!
A+!!!
@KoolDudester sure will -Ill make sure to add that on my gameplay since 1993; after visiting arcades in primary school just to play street fighter 2 and championship; or going to my friends cos I couldnt afford a snes to plass turbo; or playing ssf2 on my cousins genesis because I didnt have 1 -even though I bought the cartridge; or even buying this game for dreamcase before buying all alphas seperatly and collectors; besides grandmaster challenge ssf2 and the anniversary edition; not before 4
@nubbtard Erm....that's kind of the entire game. Everyone in the higher tiers (top 5 chars) is capable of killing in 2-3 combos. Makoto just has so many additional resets, mixup, and high stun potential that she looks more vicious.
You mean she is a counter pick?
The worst SSF4 news for Akuma players isn't his far roundhouse being nerfed; it is Makoto being added to the game.
wow...look how much that takes after Makoto's taunt
J is a comeback king.
Nice Raging Demon. Timed Perfectly.
just go type in 100% makoto on the search bar.
makoto can deal 100% stun on at least 12 of the 19 cast in 3s.
that is an overpowered character.
1:42 ...AND THE CROW GOES ..what comes after wild?
Damn, comeback city!
i never said you were the worlds best either. how could you be? i am the worlds best. you can take my word for it just like you want me to take your word that you know what better to do than these players here.
the next entire combo.
@godamfatman
yeah i know. im just saying makotos strong points and possibilities are endless. shes really strong to the point where i flame about her. im trying to improve my matchup against her. just that sometimes i do perfectly 95% in the match and then one grab and i get 100% combo'd pisses me off. =(
According to Seraph, the taunt increases the damage of the next attack by 31%...daaamn
and dont forget it builds his meter back up too for a second round..
J is a legend...
Although I am a big fan of J I think something is very wrong on that match up. 1 super from makoto = 60% in the first round, 2 supers+combo = 100% damage.
Doesnt even give your opponent a chance for a comeback (which of all games, this SF3 normally does best).
damage was less during the first hit before the stun because the super was apart of a combo, weakening it a bit.
Akuma takes the largest amount of damage from attacks also. Kind of why he died in one combo.
100% combo??? What a beast!
i suppose it generally evens itself out then
ofc J is more than a match for most akuma players :D
please go play in tournaments and show the world how good your hindsight abilities are irl.
She's every pissed off soccer mom you've ever seen in karate class. THAS' MAH PURSE! AH'DUN KNOW YEW!!!
@squishumberries J doesn't even play 3rd strike anymore let alone any form or variation of SF4. Also much to my undying disappointment Makoto was nerfed so bad in ssf4 they should make another nerf football with her name on it. Even if he did play SF4 i doubt he'd want to pick her up again.
wow, that one combo killed akuma in the 3rd round. he was done after the command grab.
maybe with SSf4 on the horizon he will consider coming back...especially since she is in it
I have such a hard time with this match up, akuma always gets the best of me. also nice Kara-raging demon.
how did you get that replay vid files
@riotsword everysingle video on the the scroll counts for 19; not to mention 19 more links between linking to those videos - i only commented on a few -how about you 'mind yours'
Goddammit Capcom! Makoto could never do any of these things with her Abare becoming an Ultra rather than a super. The projectile and wakeup game's have been bolstered in Street Fighter 4, making it damn difficult for her to get in or set up like she can in 3rd Strike. Knowing that, why did you see it fit to DELIBERATELY nerf everything she had going for her anyway?
At 1:44 match realised... He fucked up.
@leon1680
Akuma's roundhouse was already good... But his low health makes him hard to play in high level competition.
And why complain about Makoto? Dudley if he is at all similar to his character from 3rd Strike will be one of the most highly played characters in SSF4.
I love watching this match. Akuma is just a bad matchup for Makoto all around.
Hey, some sounds and music sound a bit different from what I remember. WHat version is this? Arcade or Console? If console, wich one?
@whitley1
she can still kill Akuma in pretty much 1 combo...his health is 850, & her super cancel to ultra does about 600 damage. i've won plenty of comeback matches with this combo from one well timed crouching MP to Hayate
lol like they say. makoto one grab = death against akuma.
im surprised at the amount of skill in this video which was in 2000!
and look at match with that kara demon. this was 2000!
@TerryDax I swear my jaw mustve dropped to the ground when I first saw that she was at the BOTTOM of the tier list, lol.
who is that makoto player
@Singe125 That comment was 3 months ago so you can't blame him for that comment, we all hoped Makoto would translate well into SSFIV...too bad that game is awful.
the akuma player played the matchup aggressively and got punished for it. no teleports, barely any safe demon flip setups.. the only logical counter to that is to give him low health/stun. mak earned it
@Lazyninja510 Kara-canceled Demon is what it's called I believe.
1:20 great kara demon for the round.
1:45 beginning of the rape as the answer to that kara demon.
Ladies and gentlemen we have Street Fighter 3rd Strike. #1 fighting game in the WORLD.
@Thomahawk08 Go watch Justin Wong play her in SSF4. He does really well.
oh shit kara raging demon.. got so caught up in fight totally didnt see it coming
jesus christ. that karakusa combo is able to stun akuma when he has zero stun.
Someone needs to make a wombo combo spoof out of that 100% combo..
makoto is a beast here!
He walked right into it. Akuma's damage adjustment killed him. That's just a terrible terrible matchup for him.
what roundhouse
the only demon here is this karate girl. Can't wait for her to be on ssfiv
@leon1680 Only Makoto isn't nearly as viable in SSF4 as she is in SF3.
1:10 nice parry
1:44 100% combo
I will continue where J Makoto left off!!! My makoto videos are in my channel!
Makoto.- OOOOH!
Gouki:- ....*gulp*
Whoa I never thought I'd see pro getting higher than B+ but friggin A+???
1:20 OMG that was awesome! lol Makoto screamed like girl XD
1:43 Wow >_<
@sonicsnake9
i just saw a recent video of top japanese player Ruu vs a makoto player. Ryu had full health and makoto did ONE GRAB with only ONE BAR and if he hadnt fucked up after stun, he wouldve finished off Ryu.
@elfirrepins We're two different people.
But I'd love to have his Makoto skills :D
I believe Akuma has more setups though.
no its not dude one time in my 10 years of playing this game have i seen makoto get 2 perfects. i see yun do it at least once everytime hes played so rethink that and tell me who is really overpowered
OMG!!! @ 1:21 the sickest fuckin cancel into a special i seen in street fighter 3...oh god that was insane
i though the taunt was to make the combo do 100% damage no?
@haaardstyle same
woooww!!!!
Ok right at the 36 sec mark if I was playing I would never been that close up on her knowing she can grab you and hit you with a combo. After I attacked I would've jumped back and start firing shadukens (however you spell it) and kept my distance
@OmnileoneS Well she has to learn it first in SSF4