Even during COVID, the R-train always go to Lo Wu Station. All trains turnaround at Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau. People who live to villages near these station can use the train.
@@SFsRailDepot What do you think are the potential problems if they use selective door opening for the two new stations? Trains in the UK do that if the platform is too short. Say someone wants to go to exhibition or admiralty, just board onto the 9 cars or move up before arriving.
It's not feasible, especially during rush hours. As far as I know, stations in the UK that use SDO does not have as much passengers as a busy metro station, so passengers can move to another car freely. In Hong Kong during rush hour, you can't even move to another door, let alone another car.
I have mixed feelings on the R-train. 1st class seats are way too hard and the build quality is not up to the refurbished MLR and the Hyundai stock transferred to Tuen Ma Line. In addition and on occasions, I found the braking sometimes harsh but I'm not technically conversant to know if this is the signalling control or the train performance. On the positive side, they are bright and well designed. These concerns are minor to my forthcoming concerns on ERL. Soon there will only be the 9 car trains. Good to learn that the plan is to run peak times at 1.5 to 2 min intervals. Hopefully this is sufficient to cope with the 12 to 9 car reduction. However, once the cross harbour is open, then the MOS section of TML current and increased traffic for the Island travellers will choke the 9 car trains at Tai Wai. Passengers will not change at Hung Home due to the few minute walk between TML and ERL. Further, as public and private housing continues to grow at Pak Shek Kok, Tai Po, Tai Wai, Wu Kai Sha (Whitehead area), Ma On Shan and further north from Tai Po, I am concerned that ERL will max out capacity.
I think the first class seat is just ok. But I have only used first class once per type of train for video filming, it's just my first impression. For braking comfort, I think it is better than the TML trains, as the TML will always suddenly brake very hard in some sections (eg. when entering Hung Hom, and Ho Man Tin to To Kwa Wan). I think this comes down to how the signalling system calculate the braking curve. For capacity, I think the ERL will be at capacity soon when the border re-opens. But MTR said it will be more than sufficient to carry the passengers by reducing the intervals ... for now and before any new development. The numbers seems correct, but we'll see. They really need to plan a new north south line if they want to develop the Northern City. For trasnfer stations, Tai Wai is much better now since the TML fully opened, but they will need some extra trains that start at Fo Tan or Sha Tin during rush hour. For Hung Hom, I think many people will transfer here once ERL cross the harbour, since the new platform is directly under the TML platform and it does not take much time. Passengers from Yuen Long and Kowloon City will greatly benefit from this interchange station, myself included.
@@FlatEarthKiller Also interesting to note the escalators at the new EAL platforms are concentrated towards the north of the platform, and also how most of the escalators (apart from those going down to the SIL) at Admiralty are at the north end too. Meanwhile, the R trains are currently mostly crowded towards the south due to the MFO stopping locations and the station layout. I assume this will help to even out the crowding on the R trains.
Re-upload? I didn't get to see your answer on why r trains can be deployed more frequently. If the same signalling is used, is it just because they have better acceleration?
Yea, I fixed some things in the video. When the R-train entered service, so does a new CBTC based signalling system. Combining the new signalling and the great performance of the R-train, the East Rail Line can run more frequently, up to 1.5-2 minutes headway.
@@FlatEarthKiller Fair, but the reason trains run more frequently at certain times is because there is much more demand for the service at this time. It is just a waste of resources to run almost empty trains at 2 min intervals at 11pm, but this isn't the case if trains run at 2 min intervals at 630pm when all the trains are full. Also edit: Frequencies are lower right now not because of the signal system or trains, but because of lower ridership during the pandemic (think: lower ridership across HK as a whole, no border travelers)
I think it is counterintuitive to shorten each train set from 12 cars to 9 cars solely due to space constraints at the Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations, when the rest of the East Rail Line's infrastructure had been built to accommodate 12-car trains. It seems to me a waste of space and capacity at the other 14 stations between Mong Kok East and Lo Wu/Lok Ma Chau. The MTR should consider restoring some (but not all) of the 37 sets of R-train on the East Rail Line to 12 cars, which is absolutely achievable as long as the following can be implemented: (1) Immediately build out and incorporate the additional 10-car reserve space at the Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations as part of those stations' platform area. (2) Have MTR staff manually cordon off the 1st and 12th cars of each 12-car train that is bound for Admiralty at Mong Kok East to prevent passengers from occupying those two train cars at Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations such as to not delay boarding/alighting times at those 3 stations. (3) Since the platforms at Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations would be able to accommodate 10-car trains, the 1st and 12th cars of each 12-car train can remain in the tunnel, while the middle 10 cars can stop at the platforms of those three stations as usual. (4) Once the 12-car train reverses at Admiralty to head back towards Sheng Shui, MTR staff can lift the cordon at the 1st and 12th cars and allow North-bound passengers to occupy those cars. I am also aware that the MTR is looking to purchase an additional 6 sets of R-trains from ROTEM. Instead of ordering those 6 sets of R-trains, I recommend MTR order them as intermediary 3-car consists (6 train sets x 9 cars = 54 cars in total, or 18 three-car intermediary consists). Using the 18 three-car intermediary consists, MTR can convert 18 of the existing 37 sets of R-trains into 12-car trains, while the remaining 19 sets of R-train can remain as 9-car trains. I think this offers greater flexibility in terms of when 9-car and 12-car trains can be deployed depending on the time of the day.
This make the East Rail Line unnecessarily complicated. The East Rail Line can still increase frequency to 2 min interval (now max 2.7 min interval, formerly max 3 min interval). There is a reason why selective door operation (SDO) is not widely spread across different metro systems and mostly used on stations with not much passenger usage worldwide. 10-car train is the max that the East Rail Line can do due to physical limitations at Exhibition Centre and legality. It is not feasible on operation level either. SDO works because the train is not crowded (even during rush hour) and passengers could move to another car easily. Try doing that on the East Rail Line during morning rush hour without doubling dwell time, especially at Hung Hom Station, where massive amount of passengers get off and get on the train. And also Exhibition Centre during big events (Book fair, ACGHK, Food Expo etc).
Great train overall, but kinda failed on the details. The train is really spacious, but have only 9 cars. It looks very modern, but at the same time very generic looking. But this is what a ultra high capacity metro train should do. Some more cons of this train are it screeches loudly when coming to a full stop, the speaker quality is very bad, and the TV screen glitches very often. But these are just my nitpicks.
@@SFsRailDepot The R trains would be much better for me if the seats were wider and the audio quality were better. Also not a big fan of the floor colour but it is definitely better than most MTR trains.
IMHO I really dont like the new trains, bc 1, there are already quite serious overcrowding issues before the 9 cars were brought in, it would make the waiting times longer since less ppl will fit on the train, and anyway they could just get more SP1900/1950s since they can be 9 cars anyway, 2, I take first class very often after a long day of work and the seats are horrible, which i think is a quite a big issue, 3, the audio system sucks, like the 1900 are miles ahead of it, and the screens just boot-loop waaay too often, and ive also thought that they could try to get trains with selective door opening, but after some more thought that wouldnt work since it would be confusing for the locals and foreigners alike, anyway these are my opinions, take them with a grain of salt.
R-train唔係只有37列嗎？
原來現代樂鐵在南韓，不過這樣好像也比較好說，因為台鐵也買他們做的900
你會唔會考慮出ikk-train合輯 （TML）
I look forward to R trains at Lo Wu station sometime in 2023
Even during COVID, the R-train always go to Lo Wu Station. All trains turnaround at Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau. People who live to villages near these station can use the train.
For clarity, my comment on build quality related only to the first class seating.
l. LOVE you. MLR
R-train的R是樂鐵的字首嗎
是的，R取自Hyundai Rotem的Rotem
Is interesting seeing that they instead of keeping 12 car trains, they shortened it for 9 cars, Why is this the case?
Mainly because the 2 new stations opening this year can only handle 9 cars.
@@SFsRailDepot ahhh I see I see
@@SFsRailDepot What do you think are the potential problems if they use selective door opening for the two new stations? Trains in the UK do that if the platform is too short. Say someone wants to go to exhibition or admiralty, just board onto the 9 cars or move up before arriving.
It's not feasible, especially during rush hours. As far as I know, stations in the UK that use SDO does not have as much passengers as a busy metro station, so passengers can move to another car freely. In Hong Kong during rush hour, you can't even move to another door, let alone another car.
I have mixed feelings on the R-train. 1st class seats are way too hard and the build quality is not up to the refurbished MLR and the Hyundai stock transferred to Tuen Ma Line. In addition and on occasions, I found the braking sometimes harsh but I'm not technically conversant to know if this is the signalling control or the train performance. On the positive side, they are bright and well designed. These concerns are minor to my forthcoming concerns on ERL. Soon there will only be the 9 car trains. Good to learn that the plan is to run peak times at 1.5 to 2 min intervals. Hopefully this is sufficient to cope with the 12 to 9 car reduction. However, once the cross harbour is open, then the MOS section of TML current and increased traffic for the Island travellers will choke the 9 car trains at Tai Wai. Passengers will not change at Hung Home due to the few minute walk between TML and ERL. Further, as public and private housing continues to grow at Pak Shek Kok, Tai Po, Tai Wai, Wu Kai Sha (Whitehead area), Ma On Shan and further north from Tai Po, I am concerned that ERL will max out capacity.
I think the first class seat is just ok. But I have only used first class once per type of train for video filming, it's just my first impression. For braking comfort, I think it is better than the TML trains, as the TML will always suddenly brake very hard in some sections (eg. when entering Hung Hom, and Ho Man Tin to To Kwa Wan). I think this comes down to how the signalling system calculate the braking curve. For capacity, I think the ERL will be at capacity soon when the border re-opens. But MTR said it will be more than sufficient to carry the passengers by reducing the intervals ... for now and before any new development. The numbers seems correct, but we'll see. They really need to plan a new north south line if they want to develop the Northern City. For trasnfer stations, Tai Wai is much better now since the TML fully opened, but they will need some extra trains that start at Fo Tan or Sha Tin during rush hour. For Hung Hom, I think many people will transfer here once ERL cross the harbour, since the new platform is directly under the TML platform and it does not take much time. Passengers from Yuen Long and Kowloon City will greatly benefit from this interchange station, myself included.
There’s actually just several escalators and stairs to TML platform from new ERL platform. One escalator will be enough to get you to TML platform
@@FlatEarthKiller Also interesting to note the escalators at the new EAL platforms are concentrated towards the north of the platform, and also how most of the escalators (apart from those going down to the SIL) at Admiralty are at the north end too. Meanwhile, the R trains are currently mostly crowded towards the south due to the MFO stopping locations and the station layout. I assume this will help to even out the crowding on the R trains.
i dunno, that train looks really cheap
Re-upload? I didn't get to see your answer on why r trains can be deployed more frequently. If the same signalling is used, is it just because they have better acceleration?
Yea, I fixed some things in the video. When the R-train entered service, so does a new CBTC based signalling system. Combining the new signalling and the great performance of the R-train, the East Rail Line can run more frequently, up to 1.5-2 minutes headway.
@@SFsRailDepot However the frequencies are actually 5 minutes today than the old 3 minutes.
@@FlatEarthKiller It is not feasible to run at full capacity all the time
@@squidgame2021 Always feasible. Passengers could be late to their destination.
@@FlatEarthKiller Fair, but the reason trains run more frequently at certain times is because there is much more demand for the service at this time.
It is just a waste of resources to run almost empty trains at 2 min intervals at 11pm, but this isn't the case if trains run at 2 min intervals at 630pm when all the trains are full.
Also edit: Frequencies are lower right now not because of the signal system or trains, but because of lower ridership during the pandemic (think: lower ridership across HK as a whole, no border travelers)
I think it is counterintuitive to shorten each train set from 12 cars to 9 cars solely due to space constraints at the Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations, when the rest of the East Rail Line's infrastructure had been built to accommodate 12-car trains. It seems to me a waste of space and capacity at the other 14 stations between Mong Kok East and Lo Wu/Lok Ma Chau.
The MTR should consider restoring some (but not all) of the 37 sets of R-train on the East Rail Line to 12 cars, which is absolutely achievable as long as the following can be implemented:
(1) Immediately build out and incorporate the additional 10-car reserve space at the Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations as part of those stations' platform area.
(2) Have MTR staff manually cordon off the 1st and 12th cars of each 12-car train that is bound for Admiralty at Mong Kok East to prevent passengers from occupying those two train cars at Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations such as to not delay boarding/alighting times at those 3 stations.
(3) Since the platforms at Hung Hom, Exhibition Centre, and Admiralty stations would be able to accommodate 10-car trains, the 1st and 12th cars of each 12-car train can remain in the tunnel, while the middle 10 cars can stop at the platforms of those three stations as usual.
(4) Once the 12-car train reverses at Admiralty to head back towards Sheng Shui, MTR staff can lift the cordon at the 1st and 12th cars and allow North-bound passengers to occupy those cars.
I am also aware that the MTR is looking to purchase an additional 6 sets of R-trains from ROTEM. Instead of ordering those 6 sets of R-trains, I recommend MTR order them as intermediary 3-car consists (6 train sets x 9 cars = 54 cars in total, or 18 three-car intermediary consists). Using the 18 three-car intermediary consists, MTR can convert 18 of the existing 37 sets of R-trains into 12-car trains, while the remaining 19 sets of R-train can remain as 9-car trains. I think this offers greater flexibility in terms of when 9-car and 12-car trains can be deployed depending on the time of the day.
This make the East Rail Line unnecessarily complicated. The East Rail Line can still increase frequency to 2 min interval (now max 2.7 min interval, formerly max 3 min interval). There is a reason why selective door operation (SDO) is not widely spread across different metro systems and mostly used on stations with not much passenger usage worldwide. 10-car train is the max that the East Rail Line can do due to physical limitations at Exhibition Centre and legality. It is not feasible on operation level either. SDO works because the train is not crowded (even during rush hour) and passengers could move to another car easily. Try doing that on the East Rail Line during morning rush hour without doubling dwell time, especially at Hung Hom Station, where massive amount of passengers get off and get on the train. And also Exhibition Centre during big events (Book fair, ACGHK, Food Expo etc).
They should use a Brighter colour scheme.
請問一下Q TRAIN幾時可以上線運營？
未知，有未證實消息話今年尾，因為所有q-train會裝舊信號系統(SACEM)
@@SFsRailDepot 真系期待快上線運營啦，2018就有Q TRAIN到港。
R-train 在頭等那邊在外面只有刷卡機不會被逃票嗎
有職員隨機巡視
3:40 Spelling mistake. Should be North, not Morth
12 :15呢個位會遲D興建多一個新車站
應該最少都要10年之後先落成...
@@SFsRailDepot 真係永遠等待
12:15
What is your opinion on the R trains? For me, I like both the R and MLR trains equally, but a lot of people seem to dislike the R trains.
Great train overall, but kinda failed on the details. The train is really spacious, but have only 9 cars. It looks very modern, but at the same time very generic looking. But this is what a ultra high capacity metro train should do. Some more cons of this train are it screeches loudly when coming to a full stop, the speaker quality is very bad, and the TV screen glitches very often. But these are just my nitpicks.
@@SFsRailDepot The R trains would be much better for me if the seats were wider and the audio quality were better. Also not a big fan of the floor colour but it is definitely better than most MTR trains.
They tried to replicate sp1900's floor but kinda failed. I would prefer if the train used a gray flooring like the TML C-train.
@@SFsRailDepot Agreed. Also I meant to say as whole the R trains are better than most MTR trains in my opinion not the floor colour
IMHO I really dont like the new trains, bc 1, there are already quite serious overcrowding issues before the 9 cars were brought in, it would make the waiting times longer since less ppl will fit on the train, and anyway they could just get more SP1900/1950s since they can be 9 cars anyway, 2, I take first class very often after a long day of work and the seats are horrible, which i think is a quite a big issue, 3, the audio system sucks, like the 1900 are miles ahead of it, and the screens just boot-loop waaay too often, and ive also thought that they could try to get trains with selective door opening, but after some more thought that wouldnt work since it would be confusing for the locals and foreigners alike, anyway these are my opinions, take them with a grain of salt.
I thought they would turn into 12 8 car trains😂😂😂
都唔係地鐵, 係近郊變 班次頻密通勤鐵路
其實東鐵綫似歐洲嘅S-bahn或者巴黎RER多啲，係通勤鐵路規格+地鐵運行模式嘅混合體
2:55 而家都可以入去
係咪㗎，會俾警察同港鐵車長發現㗎
12:15
希望東鐵仍然係火車
雖然12卡火車要退役，但我諗好多人都係會叫東鐵綫做火車
@@SFsRailDepot 係
Very loud braking
Metro Hong Kong
上水stop站下一站去粉
k pop 車
68gkk6ny
So what is the configuration of the R-train cars?
DPMFPMMPD
Drive
Pantograph
Motor
First class
Pantograph(panto)
Motor
Motor
Panto
Drive