Junior Dos Santos Dislocates Shoulder Throwing a Punch - Doctor Explains
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2022
- Former UFC champion Junior Dos Santos dislocated his shoulder throwing a punch during his loss at Eagle FC. In this video we'll review what happened to cause this unusual injury.
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Watched this live, was such a great fight, absolutely devastating for this to happen to JDS. Full props to De Castro for recognizing the injury and trying to alert the ref. Also, yes the referee SHOULD have called the fight right away, because as Chael pointed out on commentary, MMA does not have injury timeouts for non-foul injuries
Agreed. MMA refs really feel like they're on some sort of pressure to keep the show going no matter what. I feel the same about eye pokes and nut shots, it should be an instant 1 point deduction, accidental or not. A foul's a foul and enforcing the rules would definitely reduce their occurrence, guys would throw more carefully and manage their hands better.
Ive watched way too much mma to know that they DO have injury timeouts in mma. Normally its only for cuts, but the ref can temporarily stop the fight to have a doctor come in to check a cut, to check a fighter's vision. The ref can then re-start the fight if the doctor clears the fighter. This ought to be the same principle applied to shoulder separations. If a fighter can spit out his mouth piece to get a Ref to say the word "Time", then they should do it for something that will have an equal impact on the fighter's performance. Fighters can continue to fight after their shoulder is back in place, why not let them?
@@ReadIcculus93 true, there IS timeouts, but technically there should NOT be lol. But yeah cuts are the exception, I guess anytime the doctor comes in would be an injury time out. But I think for something like this, the fight did need to be stopped immediately
@@Oakshield2 Have you ever sparred someone in an opposite stance in kickboxing ? Nut shots are almost guaranteed.
@@infinitemonkey917 not really, man. When a guy blitz forward, sometimes you can miscalculate the distance on a kick and it happens. But in the vast majority of the time, a nut shot occurs when the kicking guy doesn't have good control of his movements. It happens mostly with beginners. I fight on both stances and the last time i kicked someone on the balls was years ago.
This looks so painful. Hope for a speedy recovery
I have dislocated my left shoulder over 10 times and subluxated my right shoulder once.
I have managed all this while without surgery. Now after a long time, I'm getting less and less dislocations.
Why?
I have jacked up my rotator cuffs. Band exercises.
Scapula exercises and hanging are the only solution
You dislocated more than subluxated damn
You have made them better with banda
hey pranay i dislocate my shoulder about more than 20 times.but i can relocate within 30 sec.now i have good range of motion .my shoulder only dislocate when i do some sudden activities in fast way...can i heal it without surgery?
This os nice to hear. I had this injury while attempting a hook in sparring and if am anxious if I can ever go back to boxing.
@@mikeross8506any update how it went?
Hey doc, you've talked about some soccer injuries in the past (mostly recent ones).
I would like to suggest you cover the head injury Petr Cech suffered in 2006. I think it's an interesting topic given how it happened, the severity (being a skull fracture, which you don't talk that much about) and how iconic the helmet he started using after became.
yes! 👍🏽
Boxer Danny Williams suffered a dislocated shoulder in a fight with Mark Potter. Williams' shoulder went back in, but it dislocated again shortly after. Williams fought one-handed with his right arm hanging down at his side and still somehow managed to knock out Mark Potter. Another case is Lomachenko: he won by KO despite his shoulder dislocating at the end of the 2nd rd against Linares. Lomachenko underwent surgery following the fight, but his dislocation wasn't as apparent as Williams'. Those are a couple of cases where the fight wasn't stopped.
Danny Williams's KO of Mark Potter with only one functional arm was amazing. Another, similar case was that of the Olympic boxing champion Tyrell Biggs, who won a 10-round decision over Jeff Sims with a broken right collarbone suffered in the second round. (Shortly thereafter, Biggs lost to a prime Mike Tyson.)
Danny Williams (boxer) infamously knocked out an opponent with his right arm dislocated. The UK commentary went bananas
Anthony Pettis (mma fighter) also did this early in his career but knocked out his opponent with a head kick.
This happened to me except during basketball... similar motion swiping at a ball. Its a very frustrating injury because its a very fundamental "routine" motion. It's annoying!
You're not lying bro I dislocated my left shoulder twice playing basketball now i gotta go see a orthopedic on the ride to the ER I wanted to cry not because of the pain it's just frustrating as hell.
@@op-. THIS!!! You understand! Finally somebody understands! It's bullshit because we shouldn't have to deal with a freak-injury like that
@@op-. this happens to me when I extend my arm to rebound , with the help of another player that grabs my hand from behind 😂
@@op-. bro i feel you 100%. Ur not alone. If you have to go through surgery just stay positive the whole recovery process or else it will be a living hell. I had a bad shoulder that dislocated a couple times but the worst was when i was in vacation in the bahamas i jumped in the water and my shoulder came out and we were 5 miles off shore and it didnt go back in. We had to drive 1 hour back to the island through bumpy waves and then when i got to the urgent care they only had 2 employees and made me wait outside for 45 minutes because they had a patient inside. They finally got me in and drugged me up a lot and were able to pop it back in. Im sure we had a lot of the same negative thoughts going through our heads when u were in the ER and I was in the boat on the way back in. Dont let those thoughts take over and just be postiive. Whats done is done its about how you react to it. Whats dead may never Die.
How did u fix it
Your Skeleton Sidekick should have his own Twitter.
Around the clock service. 24/7. You're an awesome doctor. Always there when we need ya. Head up JDS.
been waiting for this, so fast ! thanks doc 😎
Incredible videos. Been a big fan for years. As a chiropractic dc student going into his 3rd trimester, this stuff is always so much fun to watch.
Thanks for the reupload doc
Instantly the fight needs to end. You don't get an injury timeout like other sports, you get injured and can't fight you lose by definition.
Not an injury though, if it pops back in your good to go. Give them 5 min like a groin shot.
Fair point. But what about an eye poke? That is not technically a timeout like getting kicked in the nuts in MMA. It’s just a grace period basically. I know one takes longer but they are both injuries that can be debilitating. I mean Bisping legit has 1 eye.
@@TheRedAnvil40 an eyepoke is a foul, there is an exception for fouls in the rules where if you get hit with an illegal move, you have up to 5 minutes to recover. Since injuring yourself throwing a punch isn't an illegal move by the opponent, you need to survive to the end of the round. Then they can maybe put it back into place between rounds. If you just hurt yourself and fall down during grabbinh your arm during the round, that's a TKO, you got hurt and stopped fighting
@@MrRazmut didn't think of it that way! Good point.
Meh. They kinda do the same thing when someone’s mouth guard falls out.
They don’t stop the immediate action, but once there’s a break the ref will call a quick time out so the fighter can put his mouth guard back in.
JDS just needed to put his shoulder back in.
Did this while bench pressing, maaaan I thought I was done thank God for the guys who will spot you at the gym
This man is never drinking or anything during these fights/games to be able to make these vids. Respect
Huh
As a former sufferer of chronic shoulder instability I pray for this mans recovery. That labrum will need surgery
17 dislocations in 3 years, once it slips initially it’ll keep happening every few months
Same here.
@@Lk-sq4fp yep, it's happened to me at least 7 times on each shoulder and I'm only 28
@@seriustraco Dam bro.. What the hell is causing it to slip so easily???
@@zachwilson6119 The shoulder socket becomes permanently destroyed after the first or second dislocation and simple movements will always pop it out afterwards.
Excellent medical breakdown as always. Love your work Sir 👍
You're a legend for these videos!!!
Absolutely love these videos
Loud and clear doc, 👍
did the same thing pitching as a teenager. but i tore the tendons as well.... no more pitching for me...
im starting to love this channel, he reviews so fast
Always love these videos. My shoulder use to pop in and out all the time. Found out I had a grade 3 acronium impingement. It was 3mm from tearing my rotator cuff. Ended up having surgery to file the bone spur down and 1/8 inch of my collarbone to allow more range of motion.
sound fixed?
Yea
Yep
Yes sir!
Thanks so much for the info
Great video Brian
Happened to me playing hockey when my centre knocked a guy down on top of me while my arm was underneath me. The doctor that set it had me put my other arm around a nurse, then kinda lifted & twisted the other one.
The thing that I remember best is being nearly knocked out from the lack of pain when it popped back in. The pain came back, of course, but there was that one brief moment when there was no pain at all.
How do you almost get knocked out from no pain?
This shit happens to me if I take off my shirt too quickly. Overtime you learn to put it back. I use the cunningham technique on myself to put it back.
I’ve dislocated my left shoulder near a double digit amount of times and my right shoulder once. First time it happened was at a rugby tournament and a physical trainer was able to reduce it. Basically the method was to relax, let the arm hang down and move the forearm across the body. I’ve reduced every dislocation afterwards in the exact same way and always by myself. figured i’d comment about that method. Yes i’ve gotten surgery.
I’ve watched quite a few of your videos especially in regards to sprained ankles because i sprained mine pretty bad last summer, awesome channel.
When I dislocated my shoulder , the doc made me lay on my stomach and let my arm hang off the hospital bed so gravity could pop it back in place, my shoulders was dislocated for 4 hours . I was in so much pain 😩 lol
Holly crap
love the videos even if i almost always get grossed out 😂
i really liked the video on giannis injury so
please can you do a video explaining in detail what tools are in a nba or nfl medical tool bag
Couldn’t he just slam it against a wall like Riggs in Lethal Weapon? 😁
🤣🤣🤣
Haha classic
Great vid! Any risk of further injury from pinching nerves or blood vessels whilst trying reduce?
The same thing happened to me during a boxing tournament. Very painful
Are there any exercises that you can do to strengthen the muscles and reduce the frequency of dislocations?
I'm just glad his opponent saw it and pointed it out. Usually fighters will pounce on an injured opponent because not going until the ref stops you can and has backfired.
It shouldn't have come down to a doctor's decision. When a fighter is unable to defend themselves, it's the referee's job to stop the fight. That fight was over. You can't get medical treatment in the middle of a round and then continue the fighting. The refereeing at that event was nonexistent.
But, as usual, awesome insights from Sutterer.
I agree. I will give the ref some slack tho. It's a tough thing to spot, diagnose, then decide on something like this that isn't blatantly obvious. Could've done better could've been way worse.
They interrupt fights for cuts to be checked at all the time.
I think chael was right about stopping the fight due to the referee had to call a time out. If it happened in between rounds and was able to be fixed quickly, I think it would be another story.
I had to reduce a shoulder on one of my football players a couple days ago, and I used the Cunningham method. By far one of the most successful methods I’ve used.
Saw it happpen & instantly thought of your channel lol
@Brian Sutter MD, what can you do to prevent this injury? I have a torn labrum in this happened to be in the middle of a fight.
If I had to go back out there after a shoulder dislocation like that, my confidence would be gone and I’m throwing nothing but lefts.
Horrible injury prayers to him and his family
Anybody else go straight to this channel after a sports injury?
Forgot to remove a blooper at the 3:35 mark. It’s ok though
Please do an analysis video on Chet Holmgren and if his body type puts him at risk of injury or not. I've heard hes got tight hips too but am curious what you think
I've had corrective surgery on both my shoulders so I am very invested and when I saw this I was like jip...I know that feeling!
This is actually a very common way that shoulders are dislocated in boxing. It happens alot, it's the forward inertia plus the extension and almost always a glancing punch off of part of the opponents body that forces it out. Very common.
for someone happening first time, its really inpossible to continue fighting.I had the same dislocation, also on the right side. It was in a wrestling match, so i was shocked pretty much. You can handle it, when you have this issue otherwise its just traumatizing. But once know how to snap in, it helps to handle the situation
I dislocated my shoulder in a wacky way and by the gods it hurt so much once it popped back in by itself my arm was done for the next few days I had to do everything with my right hand since I couldn’t lift my left
I dislocated my shoulder playing football. Running & tackler wrapped me up & while falling I put my left arm out to brace my fall. Jan. 1st, frozen ground. That was in 1978.
I’ve dislocated it approx 8/9 times since. I put it back myself by staying calm, laying on my back & using my right hand I rotate my left arm like a clock hand. When I’m close to 12:00 it slips back in & man does that feel good!
This is why I tell new peeps not to stretch their entire arms when they punch. I feel like it makes you super vulnerable to an injury like this
This happened to me and I cried like a baby lol. The pain of your shoulder bone popping out doesn't seem like it would hurt that bad, but man!
JDS needs some dumbbell external/internal shoulder rotation exercises, Powell raises and trap 3 raises in his life
Good video! But by the end the desync between the video and the audio is quite noticeable....
I actually dislocated my shoulder for the first time like this. Ended up having three more dislocations and got a labrum repair. Haven't had any problems in 4 years wish I got the surgery sooner
We need to get this dude on the UFC as a doctor
This happens every once in a while. Brandon Royval got it against Moreno and it happened to Zombie vs Aldo. Jamal Hill vs Paul Craig was the elbow not shoulder
Please add points on how to avoid these injuries
Really excited for Eagle FC to be around, keeps guys like JDS and Diego Sanchez fighting
thoughts on Alexander Zverev's ankle injury?
Cool can hear now.
I personally dislocated my shoulder throwing a punch during an amateur fight . It didn’t stay dislocated like JDS tho. I think it was more of a subluxation, but later the same day, I lifted my arm to wear a sweater and it dislocated for real.
A month after, I fell with my arms extended and that injured shoulder was dislocated bad. It was very difficult to reduce it and the ambulance came in.
After that second dislocation, I had 4 more playing tennis, laying on my stomach and trying to catch my cat.
I had a surgery for a very damaged labrum two years ago and I never experienced a dislocation again. But I’m still very fearful ever since.
Haha EXACT same thing happened w me, dislocated my left shoulder in an amateur fight when my opponent slipped my jab, had surgery a year ago
@@mustafajunaid6042then how are you now buddy plz tell??
This same story as mine extactly same
One of the worst injuries ive dealt with. Just found out i need surgery for a torn labrum from the dislocation that happenned back in nov.
Hey man stay positive I’m 11 months out from surgery and things get better as long as u stay at it
I know this isn’t related to this video but I sprain my ankle 3 weeks ago almost 4 then exactly 1 weeks later rolled it again then I just rolled it a week and a half later (today) and it’s extreme pain low and toward the back of the ankle/foot should I go to the doctor or just ice heat and do that whole cycle for a few weeks until it heals??
Mine dislocated about 4 times in my life
Doc, is possible that he also generated so much force to pop it out?
DR. Sutter what happens when you sprained your ankle
Love you chennel , so can i ask a question. I was lifting as always been injury free for 8 yrs now. I was training biceps had a killer pump i noticed the front side of my bicept head just above my inner elbow was red in a big circle almost slightly purple all felt fin a day or two later my bicept was going tingley and numb on amd off for just about 3 days straight sometimes it felt dead like my arm wanted to move on its own almost like if your arm fell asleep from laying on it. I do think its getting better i had the same tjing with the shoulder on that side it was popping and crunching a little and got tingley at times. I pulled off from the gym for those three days and i think im getting better. It was kimda scary cause i started to worry about a heart attack or stroke. I mean you just never no. I did not have any signs of the worse two i talked about. I checked my face for equal movment when smiling ect and know somewhat what to watch for. I do think maybe i slightly tore something like larrat did. The problem is i do not bruise easy at all . I also was skimming my above ground pool and for some reason that just kills my arms and shoulders its high up and occward . Just wanted your opinion if you will. Could it just be over use i did come back hard 6 days a week lifting so maybe i just did to much. Would you recomend heat or ice ? Massage guns ? Thanks
Can wait to see Uncle Chael’s response to this about him “ Call the Fight Where are we tonight?” 🤣🤣🤣
19 dealing with the same thing
Do a video on Kurt Suzuki
My wrist was creaked before few years now when I punch it's hearting reply pls can I fix it without surgery or how
I can't feel any pain when if I don't box
This just happend to me. I am a 16 yr old amature boxer, and today in sparring i threw my backhand the same way the guy in the video did and i disclocated my shoulder. ive disclocated it at least 5-6 times. I have so much potential as a boxer and is truly my dream. Boxing is all i do. lots of people are telling me i could go far with it, and i dont want my shpulder stopping me. because boxing is all i know and my only way to truly make my mom proud. so please if you give me some advice on my shoulder to help.
Hey Brian, just saw a video of Tristan Jass rolling his leg up on a basketball while running. It bent in a very awkward way but did not break and he didn’t tear anything either which blows my mind. I would love an explanation! I have the video if you need it. I saw it on his Snapchat.
If you notice, the punch was deflected at a weird angle due to him hitting the other fighter’s arm. This sudden change in direction and his forward and slightly downward body momentum it just popped. Probably a little hyperextention.
Hey Brian! Did you have to get permission from Biodigital to use their software? I’m asking because I also want to use their software for my youtube channel.
Yes, I did
Whenever I would have bad subluxations I just had to lean forward and dangle my arms
I have recurrent shoulder dislocation and i lost my shoulder strength 😔😔.i can't throw a piece of stone as fast as earlier and also not in perfect direction.
I did this while working construction and it tore the labrum of my shoulder. It would happen easily after the first time. I dislocated it six more times in a year before i got the operation to fix it. I wouldnt recomend continuing the fight.
Former bjj and mma guy and current wrestler. I’ve had 3 shoulder surgeries for anterior dislocations and I’ve wrestled about 20 matches with the injury. It should absolutely be called. Risking more structural damage that is irreversible. Plus the athlete with not be able to defend themselves properly against high level opponents, which is another detrimental injury risk
They couldn't have restarted the fight because if you take an injury that causes you to have to time out (not caused by a foul) that is ruled as a TKO. You must make it to the end of the round and have the injury sorted by the start of the next round to stay in the fight. Sometimes fighters will have dislocated fingers fixed by their corner and keep going but you can't really survive till the end of the round with your shoulder out.
My left shoulder was dislocated playing football in high school. The lineman coach had me bend over, let the dislocated arm hang, then had me make circles with it. First circle it went back into place. Does this method have a name?
now i cant understand how you do it
ive seen a fighter yank their opponents shoulder back in the socket during a fight, be cool to know the technique and science behind it
Hey man can you do a Achilles tear on cohen please I’m sure you have seen it
I was filming a commercial for a friend and threw a punch into the camera which dislocated my shoulder. After that my shoulder has dislocated about another 10 times. I’m absolutely due for surgery, but if anybody’s dealing with the same issue, there is a good way to reset your shoulder back into place tuck your elbow into your rib cage and then push your hand into the center of your chest. That should immediately put the shoulder back in place.
Just got surgery my shoulder has came out over 15 times in the past 2 months and it ended up being a torn labrum
this is exactly what i did while sparring + got an avulsion
A doc. Why you love that number 33 so much? 🤔
You cant stop an MMA fight for injury time out Brian.
It looked like he was in the FABER position when his hand / wrist hit the guard of his opponent.
I've dislocated mine initially, stopping down at a basketball as someone was attempting a dunk. It's happened atleast 10 times various angles, some I couldn't reduce bc I was lying down, 5 of which I reduced myself. I know I need surgery but I'm terrified to do so. It's been about 6 months since my last dislocation, in slowly trying to strengthen my shoulder joint, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I always remain as calm as possible, reminding myself to breathe deeply, when the muscle begins to spasm the pain is awful. Wishing him a speedy recovery.
I had 3 disclocations and ended up doing surgery to repair my labrum and it was honestly the best thing to do. I wish I did it after my first dislocation to be honest
@@rickyroman6174what sport do you do? Since the time has passed, have you had any dislocations after surgery?
@@timsd9565 basketball and no I think if you genuinely take PT seriously after surgery and continue to lift in the gym you should be fine unless you do high risk movements like putting yourself in a kimura during bjj or something
I also agree with the referee not immediately stopping the fight. I've seen fights continue after a dislocated shoulder was put back in place. Chael just likes to talk a lot, it's kind of his thing.
this reminds me of that kid that literally dabbed so hard that he dislocated his shoulder lol
This happened to me during a fist fight I had at a bar. I threw an overhand right and dislocated my shoulder as soon as I did that but luckily I knocked my opponent out cold with that punch. My homie had to pop it back in place while the guy was sleeping on the floor in his own blood. Prior to this I have had 4 shoulder surgeries. 2 on on each arm. Surgery didn't do anything but make it worse.
hey
Wow. How many dislocation do you have?
@@ciprianbucataru8165 about 10
@@warewolf626 do you have issue with your shoulder now? Sorry for my bad english
I got into a fist fight recently and during fighting my right shoulder dislocated and now Im hoping it never happens again from what I have seen on the internet is it will happen again and it gets worse
3:34 we've got a broken doctor, someone go get a fresh one :D
Have you seen the broken jaw X-ray of Alex Polizzi from the Yoel Romero fight??
Is it possible to dislocate your shoulder without knowing? Because I had to have surgery to fix my torn labrum but I don't know what caused it and the doctors always asked if I had ever dislocated it. It was torn about a quarter way around so I would think I would have noticed a dislocation and the pain from it.
This is just coming from student PT so take it with a grain of salt. I doubt someone in a normal situation could go more than a few seconds without realizing they suffered a shoulder dislocation (One that didn't just go in and out;even then most people would have noticed it popping in out). Even if pain isn't a factor, your mobility in that shoulder would be significantly impaired wherein you would notice right away that something is wrong. How'd your labrum tear? My guess is as good as yours; people can come in with herniated discs and not have back pain. So it's really hard to say why/how you got an injury without any probable causes/events.
You would know bro…. You would know…