Conflicted on this. My gut says no. But if he is going to remain like that, I don't see the point continuing? Doctor Sutterer, why would this occur over and over, and how do you prevent it from happening? I have a friend whose shoulder pops out every time he plays sports with us. But he pops it back in himself, since it happened so many times.
Yes and if it was that much of a problem (no way for the ref to know unless he was shown/told) he should have pulled out of the fight, but this is just how tj is. He said in is post fight interview that it happened dozens of times in his camp and I have to assume he didn’t just keep training in areas (defensive wrestling/getting back to the feet) where the shoulder would pop out of place. The entire mma community knew aljo would use wrestling and that, despite every mma fight starting on the feet, tj would have a very short window to use his “puncher’s chance.” In tj’s defense, why would he do the right thing? He has money to make regardless of the outcome and the opportunity to stay semi-relevant as opposed to backing out and probably finishing out the remainder of his career under the knife/recovering.
For those commenting that it was a waste of time for TJ to take this fight. Many fighters have mentioned that in order to get insurance to take care of their injuries. They will take on fights and after the fight claim the injury was caused by the fight and the insurance will take care of it which will let them finally get the treatment they need.
Yea it’s not a straightforward conversation. Also, I can understand why they cleared him to fight. Most of these guys probably have unstable shoulders, so that isn’t a clear no go to fight
@@BonnieBeats most fighters don't want fights stopped, refs don't stop fights based on the fighters wishes they are supposed to stop it to protect them.
I’m a boxer, I dislocated both my shoulders multiple times it’s at the point where I can’t trust my body anymore but I’m still young and I got one can say this is probably the most frustrating injury there is for a combat sport athlete because there’s no guaranteed way to fix it
I feel you bro. I grew up in wrestling and jiu jitsu and am still young but train like an old man because my shoulder will come out for what seems like no reason at times
I have had 4 tears on my rot. Cuff, I do Bjj and Muay thai (never been able to fix unstable shoulders) rn Im having to take a back seat cause I fell and my shoulder is acting up, a bad punch, or an armbar can fuck me over for a few minutes
Shoulder injury is no walk in the park, I ripped a muscle in one of my shoulders while benchpressing back in 2008 that day a bad person thought it was funny to put 3-times the usual weight on it and then hand it over to me while i was laying down, the extreme weight ripped my shoulder with crucial pain while i was just holding onto the bar. My shoulder has never been the same after that.
I was never a TJ fan but gained so much respect. He considered tapping early after it popping and dug deep and some how actually got up after almost getting finished. Hats off to him.
Should of pulled out he just needed the money feel bad for his fans that bet on him when he was lying the whole time. Someone close to him made big money betting against him
gotta respect his toughness, but that's about it. He had no business being in there and he knew it. People who bought the PPV or were betting on the fight got screwed.
I've had dislocation issues for a while now and it ruined my potential to play sports etc. Happened playing rugby and continued to happen a dozen times from ages 14-16. 10 years ago. Stopped me throwing the ball in baseball and without the shoulder I halved my throwing distance. And I never recovered to being able to play sports again of those types. I keep up with my health and fitness now. But up until not too long ago I think it really effected how I turned out not being able to play any sports effective as I used to as a teenager.
Suffering with it currently my friend I’m 16 and I’m a boxer done my shoulder during a fight and I’m doing physio Therapy about a year now but I don’t know if I’ll fight again
I dislocated my shoulder and ended up breaking the shoulder cap. During my first seizure. I’m two month into PT and a couple weeks of the break being fully healed. I wouldn’t even be able to lift my right arm to block a punch at the moment.
Dislocated my shoulder like 15+ times in the past and even in jiu jitsu fights luckily it popped out in a dominant position where I could stall for time, I went to compete in Europeans 2019 and it popped first 30 seconds and it completely threw me off took awhile to get back into place while still fighting and by then my arm was just numb and weak, i got surgery a couple months later called laterjet, I thought TJ had already got that but apparently not so I hope he does get it now because my Shoulder is perfect now, I love tj and I have so much more respect for him to go a round and half with aljo with that injury, people can talk shit all they want but they will not understand the pain a shoulder dislocation causes even with adrenaline your Damn bone is out of the socket
@@neuroIogy yeah bro check my TH-cam I just had my first competition since my surgery it took long because covid closed down most comps and that but I got gold in my first time fighting in purple belt division, arm is solid now, of course however it takes alot of rehab and also strength so I recommend always Stretch and keep it conditioned, although I did lose like 5/10% ROM but it was worth it
@@iman7j887 it’s called Laterjet procedure bro, I know it’s a pretty uncommon surgery; usually doctor do the arthroscopy which is not effective because like you see here tj surgery was ineffective and also brian Ortega got surgery that was ineffective because they didn’t get laterjet, so you should check it bro
Thanks for the video, it's very interesting. In case of such accident, which doctor specialist is best in handling/resseting the shoulder ? traumatologist ? osteopath ? others..
I believe DIllashaw got surgery on his rotator cuffs in both shoulders during his suspension betwenn 2019 and 2021. Getting injured there once again at 37 it feels like the end of his career should come soon
TJ said the original injury happened at the end of April. What he did still going through with the fight sucked. His shoulder popping out and losing him the fight felt inevitable given how quickly and easily it popped out twice. He should have stepped aside and let someone else get the shot, fans paid money and were excited for the fight, but it was all a facade. Saying you have respect for him toughing it out feels like the wrong thing to say here.
@@jamesfranko5098 Strike less, wrestle more. Atleast avoid looping or overhead punches, straights a la Belfort work nicely. Learn to break fall better. Dillashaw posting up on his left arm like that is what they tell you not to do on Day 1 in BJJ. As someone who has dislocated his shoulder numerous times and currently has rehabbed it to as close to 100% as it'll get without surgery, I can tell you that it's a lot of activity modification. I've learned to program myself to fall on my tucked in elbow rather than prop up with the arm. I don't full hang while relaxed on that shoulder but I can boulder / rock climb no problem. I also don't power hi-five anyone... lol.
The guys a mad man..I been having a dodgy shoulder for about 20 years and the pain whilst the shoulder is dislocated is excruciating so yea going into that fight he’s crazy!🤣
does that anatomy tool not allow you to simulate an injury on the 3d imaging so it helps explain what you are talking about? That would be such a nice addition
Surgical Repair of the torn structure (likely labrum) is likely the only thing to help TJ at this point due to the number of dislocations. He doesn't strike me as the type of athlete to not do his rehab exercises so if that hasn't helped already the last resort is probably surgery.
I have a straight back syndrome were the diagnosis of straight back syndrome is structural. On my x-rays (lateral thoracic/chest) there is less than 12 cm between the backside of the sternum and the front of the T8 vertebra. There’s not much information on how to reverse this or exercises to help bring the curve back in my thoracic so I was wondering if you knew of anything I can do to help with this condition and if it can be reversed through exercises and chiropractic care even though it’s structural problem?
Hlwhen I was a kid mine dislocated 3rimes in a yr..had to give up karate...after the operation.. long rehab to build shoulder stability...I know the feeling
One day when I was training MMA I threw one of my partners and tried to avoid the fall my coach saw this and stopped us and said" never try to avoid a fall it is better to be prepared for it and the punches that are going to come towards you you have ground game probably not the best but good enough for you to feel comfortable if you get taken down and if you don't want to play the other guys then wrestle back up" so I guess that we avoid getting injured more than we would have
I completly dislocated my left shoulder during technique practice in mma training 4 months ago. Have been doing rehab exercises since than. Its my 1st time and am 27 years old. Can i return to mma training soon or should i wait a year or so?
I had this shoulder dislocation today jumping max height to catch a line drive in baseball and landing in an awkward position with my arm fully extended basically over my head. Apparently it’s called luxatio erecta. I was hoping for the bio-digital anatomy breakdown here. My arm was stuck in a slightly upwards position when i got up, but luckily within a minute a trainer popped it back into place. I’m shocked at how quickly i am feeling alright (this happened about 11 hours ago). My shoulder is very sore but i have full range of motion and can do push-ups without much pain (it was just a test / i know it needs rest). I’m curious to if i need an MRI, but I’m assuming if the pain isn’t too bad everything should now heal on it’s own…not noticing any swelling but my shoulder is tender. My only concern from my research is neurovascular injury from a damaged axillary nerve. I wish i knew how to self diagnose that but from what i am finding online it would heal on its own in most cases Shoulder dislocations are not fun - good video as always
I’ve had too many dislocations to count, many of them have been posterior dislocations. Fairly rare, from what I’ve been told. I have multiple subluxations daily. Many surgeries to help but only temporary fixes. Now, as long as I keep the shoulder “in shape” it’s tolerable. Maybe a shoulder replacement in the future.
5:27 Note the shift here: an authority in sports medicine is commenting on the rules & protocols of MMA (i.e. outside his expertise). The logic may seem OK but I'd be curious what a referee would say about this ("hey, my shoulder is going to pop out"). Enjoyable video, and always impressed with the quality combined with the blazing speed of publication.
Shoulder subluxations are common in Mixed Martial Arts, these are quick dislocations where the shoulder comes out but finds itself back in the socket almost immediately, that being said subluxations are night game Enders but more game changers meaning they weaken the arm and numb it up, I know this through experience, so when Tj said he dislocated it 20+ times I’m sure he meant it subluxed a lot of the time so he could manage it, but unfortunately he completely dislocated it on that fight which makes it a whole different story and firstly the difference is you have ongoing pain also while your joint is out of the socket, now good on TJ not submitting but he probably meant to tell mark to not stop had it subluxed I don’t think he planned on it to fully dislocate haha, respect to Tj though and also mark for giving the space and giving Tj a chance, I wish this situation was avoided though I wanted to see TJ do it
20+ times at camp alone means theres definitely damage done. all that cartilage cushion and supportive tension is destroyed and limited, so it continues to happen.
So will surgery fix/provide more stability to TJ’s shoulder? How long is recovery? I’d reckon with TJ’s age he has one more title run left in him. The skills still seem there.
Surgery will provide more stability though it might not really ever be fully 100%. It can be quite stable and get up to 90-95%. But the wait time for loading it post-surgery is quite long. I'm not sure that TJ comes back from that surgery as it would likely mean more than a year off from fighting again at his age.
From someone who has a history of MULTIPLE shoulder dislocations, i cant imagine trying to fight on that level with the pain.. Hell, i lost a couple bar fights against people i already beat in the past, but when my shoulders out, I'll get clipd trying to put it back in place just bcus the pain is all consuming...again, i know I'm not a dog like they are clearly, but, i have to give dillashaw mad props for trying to tough through it.. its unimaginable for a mortal civilian such as myself to even contemplate.. hats off to both warriors
So how can someone with this much shoulder trauma move fwd w fighting ? Does he need another surgery or more PT ? Is his joint just done and has to live with it ?
Is surgery required after so much damage to the shoulder? My shoulder has been like this and as little as moving my arm behind my body it comes out. Very painful every time this happens and it’s been a couple years.
Most likely a labrum tear. I’d advise scheduling an MRI to look into what kind of damage your shoulder has undergone previously because every redislocation has potential of creating more damage. The best kind of treatment for a labrum tear (and the only) is surgery because the labrum itself will never heal unless arthroscopically reattached to the bone. I may be incorrect but 1 dislocation results into a 65% chance or higher that labrum damage has been made. Anything after that you can almost 100% guarantee that excessive tearing has occurred. I hope this helps best of luck
I dislocated my left shoulder on a stretched out arm fall during judo practice. It happens over two months ago and I’m still not healed. I have very limited range of motion, can’t stretch my arm completely at the elbow and have constant burning/stinging pain on forearm and tricep as well as numbness and sometimes ache on my hand and fingers. Would I ever be okay again? I have fallen off track on my fitness journey and since physical exercise has been key in my mental health now that’s faltering and I’m worried. Help please.
Look at TJ's left shoulder from any of his weigh-ins. The thing is pretty much torn from the collarbone. You can even notice the considerable amount of mass that has been lost in that upper arm. It's really not surprising that he keeps dislocating it. The real question comes down to whether or not an injury like that can be fixed. He had a 2 year layoff, I would hope during that time he would go down some avenue to try and fix the problem.
I popped my shoulder out and hoped it would heal on its own. It was a torn labrum and it doesn't. It kept popping out for years after that until surgery. Should have gotten the surgery right because its worth it to be 100 again. Pretty sure Dillashaw already had surgery to repair torn Labrums in both shoulder though so Idk where he goes from here.
After few times you dont feel pain really because it came loose, the deference is like someone pinching you compare to first time which is like some put a knife into your shoulder lol
I had a labrum tear/Slap tear repair surgery in 2020. If dislocations still occur, I know a laterjet procedure can protect the shoulder from coming out the front, is there anything that can assist with a shoulder that goes out your back? I have winging in my left shoulder blade, and a dip in my back from the previous surgery. I do not have dislocations, but do have a lot of instability…. I went to Ohio State University Hospital, and they said “They don’t play odds less than 80%”…. when I asked what that meant, they said there’s a 50% chance I can be fixed, 50% chance it will not help at all…. I’m too old for a repair surgery, that may or may not work, but too young for a shoulder replacement…. Any suggestions?
@@merazolemos Won’t matter. TJ is done. He’s had several surgeries on his shoulder before, and to no avail. Unless he gets a complete shoulder rebuild with prosthetic parts, he will not be able to keep fighting.
After so many sparring sessions of mine dislocating I finally got surgery. Props to that man for fighting through it. Probably the most uncomfortable thing I’ve been through. On day 7 of healing and I cannot wait to get back into combat sports!
@@LongRD_233 sorry for the late replies. I had a bunch of tears. It was fully torn 360. It’s 100 times better. He over tightened it so I have sharp pains but it won’t dislocate. I can finally live my life. Can’t say if it will help others just because of how torn it was.
TJ as a wrestler should know to never post up with his arm. Common wrestling injury is when opponents try to catch themselves with this their hands posted and hypextend the elbow worse case break arm.
@@fvgc454ss He's actually right. Anyone who has attended a couple wrestling classes or BJJ can tell you that, it's literally the VERY first thing they teach you after teaching you how to tie your belt in BJJ - don't post up when you break fall. It's simply a bad habit that he has not broken.
if it's only been once get some physical therapy, you likely don't need surgery but if you don't treat it and continously dislocate it more you'll need surgery
Make sure you avoid big overhead swings or stretching with your shoulder and be mindful of your movements and you probably will be ok with just therapy.
@@DANIELJAMES-lz4uc A lot of rotator cuff strengthening and don't over mobilize/stretch. Find a good physio that will teach you the appropriate exercises (not simply any random shoulder exercises - not all exercises are equal).
Everyone's body is different. Some people lose a lot of stability with even 1 dislocation - others are really solid even through 2-3. If you only have 1 dislocation and it feels quite stable (as in swinging the arm and doing overhead movements feel quite comfortable (no anxiety or strange feeling as though its' going to come out again) then I'd say you're good to wait and see without surgery. It's not my official diagnosis as I'm not assessing you in person - but I'm of the type to avoid surgery if possible and I would only get the labral repair if it's warranted due to: 1) Significantly torn labrum according to MRI + dye, 2) Significant Instability + Decrease in Function or 3) 3+ Dislocations. In my opinion.
My little brothers shoulder would dislocate over and over due to a labrum injury in wrestling practice. After a year of neglect, he ended up losing 15 percent of the bone. Dude had to have 6 screws in his shoulder
I got it after 1 dislocation, tore the labrum and had lots of loose bone fragments around the area. The surgery is worth it, 4-6 weeks in a sling but then 4-6 months of physiotherapy after. Playing basketball and gymming now probably the same I did before my dislocation.
His shoulder dislocated around 20 times in training camp?? His body isn't like it was 5yrs ago, TJ needs to understand that its time for him to retire. His mark is there and has a great legacy
he was allowed to put himself at risk when there was already an issue, if there is a trainer or manager they should be obliged to share a prefight injury, you have his health to be concerned with and all the investment including bets placed on the fight. I commend him for trying to give it a go but it was not best for him or others.
No. He’s previously had surgery on it as well, and obviously to no avail. It’s sad to say but i think TJ’s time for retirement has come. Such a shame when he clearly still is at elite level after his performance against Sandhagen
@@starstrikes agreed. After so many dislocations it's no longer just the tissue but the bone in the socket has loss integrity needing a different type of surgery which limits mobility
@@nro9450 Yep. I said this in another comment - His shoulder is far beyond repair, and if he wants to continue fighting he’ll have to undergo a complete shoulder rebuild with prosthetic parts. But why would you realistically bother? Dillashaw is 36 years old and has a well established family. It’s time to hang up the gloves. Maybe pull a Woodley and make a couple million fighting Influencers before you go into complete hibernation.
At first I was like "wow he has so much heart to keep going, so unlucky." Nope, turns out he knowingly went into this fight with an injury that sounded like it would resurface as soon as Aljo took him down. The way I see it he kind of wasted/took a title fight that he shouldn't have, and that somebody else could've taken while he let his shoulder issue get worked out. Nobody lost out too bad except maybe Chito Vera so oh well, I guess. Definitely reinforces my dislike for TJ but I still hope his shoulder heals up with no permanent problems.
Just jumping out of a fight isn’t as simple as calling in sick to work one day. The guy has a family to feed, and coaches to pay. He might of been completely aware of the fact that his shoulder was not up to par, but had no choice but to at least show and get payed.
@@starstrikes Yeah you're right, and I usually keep that in mind but it's very easy to overlook in the moment. I think there's a certain level of injury that's acceptable to work through and just going off of his speech it sounds like it was way past that. But it's true, the people around him still need to be taken care of.
I appreciate that take on it, but IMAGINE you bet money on TJ to find out hes been hiding a serious injury. This is a sport and he just played along to collect the check. He even told the ref beforehand that he was essentially going to lose. I get the toughness to fight through it, but it was a complete waste of time to not give somebody else the title shot, heal up, and actually have a meaningful match. If the take away is that TJ was forced to go through with it for bills/insurance, then that's more an issue of private contractors vs employees.
Agree, I think he knew the injury gave him no shot but he made the selfish call and didn't want to give up his spot in line. Shady move but at the same time have to acknowledge that a lot of us in his career position would be tempted to do the same thing. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes for surgery now and never fights again. He's made a good amount in his career and got this one big final payday. Pair this up with the drug cheat stuff and he's a pretty shady guy. You can be a crappy person but be tough as hell too.
So, what is next for TJ? Does this require surgery? Or is it just a thing that he will have to live with moving on in his career? Doesn't this mean that future fighters will target it? Thanks!
It's a very easy injury to hide from doctors. I've had my shoulder pop out a thousand times and I'm still lifting heavier weights than most men in the gym. Life goes on
Should the ref have stopped the fight? My answer may surprise you
yes
No. Mark and TJ already had a conversation
Conflicted on this. My gut says no. But if he is going to remain like that, I don't see the point continuing?
Doctor Sutterer, why would this occur over and over, and how do you prevent it from happening? I have a friend whose shoulder pops out every time he plays sports with us. But he pops it back in himself, since it happened so many times.
Yes and if it was that much of a problem (no way for the ref to know unless he was shown/told) he should have pulled out of the fight, but this is just how tj is. He said in is post fight interview that it happened dozens of times in his camp and I have to assume he didn’t just keep training in areas (defensive wrestling/getting back to the feet) where the shoulder would pop out of place. The entire mma community knew aljo would use wrestling and that, despite every mma fight starting on the feet, tj would have a very short window to use his “puncher’s chance.”
In tj’s defense, why would he do the right thing? He has money to make regardless of the outcome and the opportunity to stay semi-relevant as opposed to backing out and probably finishing out the remainder of his career under the knife/recovering.
Hey can you add prevention or rehab options and if this is permanent or can be fixed surgically at the end of videos like these?
For those commenting that it was a waste of time for TJ to take this fight. Many fighters have mentioned that in order to get insurance to take care of their injuries. They will take on fights and after the fight claim the injury was caused by the fight and the insurance will take care of it which will let them finally get the treatment they need.
Yea it’s not a straightforward conversation. Also, I can understand why they cleared him to fight. Most of these guys probably have unstable shoulders, so that isn’t a clear no go to fight
@@BrianSuttererMD Dana and the UFC commission was unaware of TJs injury just to let you know. So he wasnt officially cleared
@@Rickai85 well they do their own testing I assume?
It's not on the fithter to disclose. It's on the UFC medical staff to discover it? Idk.
But if that were the case, he wouldn't have told the world he did it prior to the fight.
@@JacaboBlanco How would you suggest they test for a compromised shoulder? Ask them to do pushups? Pull on his arm? lol
Dr is definitely a UFC fan
he always posts right after the event ends, wouldn't be surprised he was making this video right after Islam submitted Charles
You think? He does this type of video after almost ever major ufc event.
@@kevinzhu6417 why would he post a video about a submission? He posts about Injuries or knockouts, the submission little to do with what he does
@@infected7258 Go reread the guys comment. He wasn't suggesting that.
Damn we got Sherlock reborn here
as somebody with previous shoulder instability and dislocations i can't imagine fighting with a dislocated shoulder, looked so painful.
Agreed!!!!
once you have 5+ dislocations.. not like you can damage it anymore. So just depends how tough you are
@@KamikazeELF you can’t fight with one arm they should’ve stopped it he was obviously gon lose as soon as it happened
@@waynemunn5200 he asked for them not to stop it before the fight
@@BonnieBeats most fighters don't want fights stopped, refs don't stop fights based on the fighters wishes they are supposed to stop it to protect them.
Ive dislocated my shoulder over 20 times after the first accident. It really took a decade for it to fully stabilize.
So there's a chance for it to go back to normal
You let it stabilize without surgery? I had surgery after four dislocations happened within a span of a year, one of them while I slept.
@@eloybox ikr sounds so surreal
damn
@@inevitablemma1435 It's highly unlikely. It can scar up over time but most people cannot simply "rest" it and have it go back to normal
You strike me as someone who loves MMA, keep it up. Your perspective is always informative
I’m a boxer, I dislocated both my shoulders multiple times it’s at the point where I can’t trust my body anymore but I’m still young and I got one can say this is probably the most frustrating injury there is for a combat sport athlete because there’s no guaranteed way to fix it
I feel you bro. I grew up in wrestling and jiu jitsu and am still young but train like an old man because my shoulder will come out for what seems like no reason at times
Whats your name
Fucking same
I have had 4 tears on my rot. Cuff, I do Bjj and Muay thai (never been able to fix unstable shoulders) rn Im having to take a back seat cause I fell and my shoulder is acting up, a bad punch, or an armbar can fuck me over for a few minutes
Surgery ?? Arthoscopic??
The fight was less than six hours ago. Dude was READY for someone to get hurt 😂
Quick work doc. Nice. 🐸💯
Just watched this live and was wondering how he was able to fight in the first place. Poor TJ never had a chance.
Hes a pos cheater. Karma is indeed a bitch
Lol no tj is a goof. He deserves it all
Tjs still roided out of his mind,karma sucks
Regardless sterling was an absolute demon tonight. Was the better fighter outright and would have won either way
@@willthomas7666 if you think that your delusional they probably tested him more than anyone on this card bc of his background
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I enjoy your vids a lot. Very informative. Cheers.
these videos are awesome. I love the way the body works
that's crazy trying to reset a shoulder while a guy's on top of you i.e., did I just see that?!
as a labrum bankart patient, once is enough!
Shoulder injury is no walk in the park, I ripped a muscle in one of my shoulders while benchpressing back in 2008 that day a bad person thought it was funny to put 3-times the usual weight on it and then hand it over to me while i was laying down, the extreme weight ripped my shoulder with crucial pain while i was just holding onto the bar. My shoulder has never been the same after that.
I was never a TJ fan but gained so much respect. He considered tapping early after it popping and dug deep and some how actually got up after almost getting finished. Hats off to him.
I gained respect for him too , because he didn’t use steroids for this fight
@@tlsvd5842 bruh
Should of pulled out he just needed the money feel bad for his fans that bet on him when he was lying the whole time. Someone close to him made big money betting against him
gotta respect his toughness, but that's about it. He had no business being in there and he knew it. People who bought the PPV or were betting on the fight got screwed.
Is there not a medical procedure that helps prevent such easy dislocation of the shoulder?
Thanks for another great video your the man
I've had dislocation issues for a while now and it ruined my potential to play sports etc. Happened playing rugby and continued to happen a dozen times from ages 14-16. 10 years ago.
Stopped me throwing the ball in baseball and without the shoulder I halved my throwing distance. And I never recovered to being able to play sports again of those types. I keep up with my health and fitness now. But up until not too long ago I think it really effected how I turned out not being able to play any sports effective as I used to as a teenager.
Suffering with it currently my friend I’m 16 and I’m a boxer done my shoulder during a fight and I’m doing physio Therapy about a year now but I don’t know if I’ll fight again
@@dontknowwhattocallthis3316 guys go for surgery, there are couple of them, and if have a good surgeon, they will fix it forever!
They need to be put on a shoulder stability program
As i watched the fight i was waiting for this video to come out
Thank you for the video
Perfect take on this
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Thank you Doc! Do you think that this injury is potentially career ending?
I dislocated my shoulder and ended up breaking the shoulder cap. During my first seizure. I’m two month into PT and a couple weeks of the break being fully healed. I wouldn’t even be able to lift my right arm to block a punch at the moment.
Great work doctor
Your channel is the shit, doc. Two of my absolute favorite things rolled into one!
I was just gonna suggest this. TJ a real one for going through the pain
Dislocated my shoulder like 15+ times in the past and even in jiu jitsu fights luckily it popped out in a dominant position where I could stall for time, I went to compete in Europeans 2019 and it popped first 30 seconds and it completely threw me off took awhile to get back into place while still fighting and by then my arm was just numb and weak, i got surgery a couple months later called laterjet, I thought TJ had already got that but apparently not so I hope he does get it now because my Shoulder is perfect now, I love tj and I have so much more respect for him to go a round and half with aljo with that injury, people can talk shit all they want but they will not understand the pain a shoulder dislocation causes even with adrenaline your Damn bone is out of the socket
You still fight after your surgery?
@@neuroIogy yeah bro check my TH-cam I just had my first competition since my surgery it took long because covid closed down most comps and that but I got gold in my first time fighting in purple belt division, arm is solid now, of course however it takes alot of rehab and also strength so I recommend always Stretch and keep it conditioned, although I did lose like 5/10% ROM but it was worth it
Really your shoulder is good now? I thought no surgery can fix my shoulder it's a good news
@@iman7j887 it’s called Laterjet procedure bro, I know it’s a pretty uncommon surgery; usually doctor do the arthroscopy which is not effective because like you see here tj surgery was ineffective and also brian Ortega got surgery that was ineffective because they didn’t get laterjet, so you should check it bro
@@craigd2352 tnx man, i got genuinely happy, wish you great health and the best of luck in your competition brother
Man these guys are double tough.
Thanks for the video, it's very interesting. In case of such accident, which doctor specialist is best in handling/resseting the shoulder ? traumatologist ? osteopath ? others..
@@Username-2 Thanks a lot for your response
I believe DIllashaw got surgery on his rotator cuffs in both shoulders during his suspension betwenn 2019 and 2021. Getting injured there once again at 37 it feels like the end of his career should come soon
Great break down
TJ said the original injury happened at the end of April. What he did still going through with the fight sucked. His shoulder popping out and losing him the fight felt inevitable given how quickly and easily it popped out twice. He should have stepped aside and let someone else get the shot, fans paid money and were excited for the fight, but it was all a facade. Saying you have respect for him toughing it out feels like the wrong thing to say here.
I can’t imagine how pissed I would be if I bet money on ped a Shaw
Lots of fighters have this issue & simply adjust their fight style.
Brian Ortega has been fighting with a loose shoulder forever.
@@bigimportantman1544 you can't adjust your fight style. Look at how it dislocated in the video. Explain how you adjust to prevent that?
@@jamesfranko5098 Strike less, wrestle more. Atleast avoid looping or overhead punches, straights a la Belfort work nicely. Learn to break fall better. Dillashaw posting up on his left arm like that is what they tell you not to do on Day 1 in BJJ.
As someone who has dislocated his shoulder numerous times and currently has rehabbed it to as close to 100% as it'll get without surgery, I can tell you that it's a lot of activity modification. I've learned to program myself to fall on my tucked in elbow rather than prop up with the arm. I don't full hang while relaxed on that shoulder but I can boulder / rock climb no problem. I also don't power hi-five anyone... lol.
So how do you rebuild from a torn rotator cuff? My right rotator cuff tore and it hasn't recovered since even with physical therapy.
Brian seems like a super nice, awesome dude.
The guys a mad man..I been having a dodgy shoulder for about 20 years and the pain whilst the shoulder is dislocated is excruciating so yea going into that fight he’s crazy!🤣
That has to lead to an existential crisis if you’re a fighter. I hope he can overcome it.
does that anatomy tool not allow you to simulate an injury on the 3d imaging so it helps explain what you are talking about? That would be such a nice addition
Since you mentioned that his shoulder was loose due to it being so injured, is there a way to "tighten it?"
Reduce inflammation surgery or braces
Surgical Repair of the torn structure (likely labrum) is likely the only thing to help TJ at this point due to the number of dislocations. He doesn't strike me as the type of athlete to not do his rehab exercises so if that hasn't helped already the last resort is probably surgery.
I have a straight back syndrome were the diagnosis of straight back syndrome is structural. On my x-rays (lateral thoracic/chest) there is less than 12 cm between the backside of the sternum and the front of the T8 vertebra. There’s not much information on how to reverse this or exercises to help bring the curve back in my thoracic so I was wondering if you knew of anything I can do to help with this condition and if it can be reversed through exercises and chiropractic care even though it’s structural problem?
Hlwhen I was a kid mine dislocated 3rimes in a yr..had to give up karate...after the operation.. long rehab to build shoulder stability...I know the feeling
One day when I was training MMA I threw one of my partners and tried to avoid the fall my coach saw this and stopped us and said" never try to avoid a fall it is better to be prepared for it and the punches that are going to come towards you you have ground game probably not the best but good enough for you to feel comfortable if you get taken down and if you don't want to play the other guys then wrestle back up" so I guess that we avoid getting injured more than we would have
I dislocated my right shoulder 3 years ago and my right shoulder never been the same oof. Just should train it more for strength
training will definetly help the stability. Focus on the delts and upper back muscles
The strongest shoulder muscles in the world won't help once you've torn that labrum. Needs surgery with 1+ year recovery time and never totally 100%
I completly dislocated my left shoulder during technique practice in mma training 4 months ago. Have been doing rehab exercises since than. Its my 1st time and am 27 years old. Can i return to mma training soon or should i wait a year or so?
I had this shoulder dislocation today jumping max height to catch a line drive in baseball and landing in an awkward position with my arm fully extended basically over my head.
Apparently it’s called luxatio erecta. I was hoping for the bio-digital anatomy breakdown here.
My arm was stuck in a slightly upwards position when i got up, but luckily within a minute a trainer popped it back into place.
I’m shocked at how quickly i am feeling alright (this happened about 11 hours ago). My shoulder is very sore but i have full range of motion and can do push-ups without much pain (it was just a test / i know it needs rest).
I’m curious to if i need an MRI, but I’m assuming if the pain isn’t too bad everything should now heal on it’s own…not noticing any swelling but my shoulder is tender.
My only concern from my research is neurovascular injury from a damaged axillary nerve. I wish i knew how to self diagnose that but from what i am finding online it would heal on its own in most cases
Shoulder dislocations are not fun - good video as always
I’ve had too many dislocations to count, many of them have been posterior dislocations. Fairly rare, from what I’ve been told. I have multiple subluxations daily. Many surgeries to help but only temporary fixes. Now, as long as I keep the shoulder “in shape” it’s tolerable. Maybe a shoulder replacement in the future.
U mean surgery won't help??
5:27 Note the shift here: an authority in sports medicine is commenting on the rules & protocols of MMA (i.e. outside his expertise). The logic may seem OK but I'd be curious what a referee would say about this ("hey, my shoulder is going to pop out"). Enjoyable video, and always impressed with the quality combined with the blazing speed of publication.
Thanks! I think the fact that Goddard let the fight continue tells you that answer at least for him
Shoulder subluxations are common in Mixed Martial Arts, these are quick dislocations where the shoulder comes out but finds itself back in the socket almost immediately, that being said subluxations are night game Enders but more game changers meaning they weaken the arm and numb it up, I know this through experience, so when Tj said he dislocated it 20+ times I’m sure he meant it subluxed a lot of the time so he could manage it, but unfortunately he completely dislocated it on that fight which makes it a whole different story and firstly the difference is you have ongoing pain also while your joint is out of the socket, now good on TJ not submitting but he probably meant to tell mark to not stop had it subluxed I don’t think he planned on it to fully dislocate haha, respect to Tj though and also mark for giving the space and giving Tj a chance, I wish this situation was avoided though I wanted to see TJ do it
how did you dislocate your shoulder? any connective tissue tears?
Hey there Dr. Sutterer, can you make a video explaining what Ryan Ellis' injury is exsctly and why it may end his career?
Wish you had addressed the recovery process or whether there had been any permanent damage done
Yup me too. Huge part missing there.
20+ times at camp alone means theres definitely damage done. all that cartilage cushion and supportive tension is destroyed and limited, so it continues to happen.
very interesting breakdown...
I swear I've got the point now when I see a major injury in the UFC I look to if MD has covered it soon as I wake up.
So will surgery fix/provide more stability to TJ’s shoulder? How long is recovery? I’d reckon with TJ’s age he has one more title run left in him. The skills still seem there.
Surgery will provide more stability though it might not really ever be fully 100%. It can be quite stable and get up to 90-95%. But the wait time for loading it post-surgery is quite long. I'm not sure that TJ comes back from that surgery as it would likely mean more than a year off from fighting again at his age.
From someone who has a history of MULTIPLE shoulder dislocations, i cant imagine trying to fight on that level with the pain.. Hell, i lost a couple bar fights against people i already beat in the past, but when my shoulders out, I'll get clipd trying to put it back in place just bcus the pain is all consuming...again, i know I'm not a dog like they are clearly, but, i have to give dillashaw mad props for trying to tough through it.. its unimaginable for a mortal civilian such as myself to even contemplate.. hats off to both warriors
Even after surgery and treatment what are the chances of a another dislocation?
@Brian could it be that TJ Dillashaw has been dealing with a bony bankart lesion?
can you explain this awkward hit on the boards had to get stretched off the player is Mark Borowiecki from Nashville Predators
So how can someone with this much shoulder trauma move fwd w fighting ? Does he need another surgery or more PT ? Is his joint just done and has to live with it ?
Is surgery required after so much damage to the shoulder? My shoulder has been like this and as little as moving my arm behind my body it comes out. Very painful every time this happens and it’s been a couple years.
Most likely a labrum tear. I’d advise scheduling an MRI to look into what kind of damage your shoulder has undergone previously because every redislocation has potential of creating more damage. The best kind of treatment for a labrum tear (and the only) is surgery because the labrum itself will never heal unless arthroscopically reattached to the bone. I may be incorrect but 1 dislocation results into a 65% chance or higher that labrum damage has been made. Anything after that you can almost 100% guarantee that excessive tearing has occurred. I hope this helps best of luck
I dislocated my left shoulder on a stretched out arm fall during judo practice. It happens over two months ago and I’m still not healed. I have very limited range of motion, can’t stretch my arm completely at the elbow and have constant burning/stinging pain on forearm and tricep as well as numbness and sometimes ache on my hand and fingers. Would I ever be okay again? I have fallen off track on my fitness journey and since physical exercise has been key in my mental health now that’s faltering and I’m worried. Help please.
Look at TJ's left shoulder from any of his weigh-ins. The thing is pretty much torn from the collarbone. You can even notice the considerable amount of mass that has been lost in that upper arm. It's really not surprising that he keeps dislocating it. The real question comes down to whether or not an injury like that can be fixed. He had a 2 year layoff, I would hope during that time he would go down some avenue to try and fix the problem.
I popped my shoulder out and hoped it would heal on its own. It was a torn labrum and it doesn't. It kept popping out for years after that until surgery. Should have gotten the surgery right because its worth it to be 100 again. Pretty sure Dillashaw already had surgery to repair torn Labrums in both shoulder though so Idk where he goes from here.
I need proof of previous damage
how he hasn’t caught ANY nerve structure in one or multiple of these apparent 20+ dislocations is beyond me
After few times you dont feel pain really because it came loose, the deference is like someone pinching you compare to first time which is like some put a knife into your shoulder lol
Who said he didn't?
@@declanp1 fair point, however, in the instance of serious nerve entrapment, he would have suffered functional decrease very rapidly
I had a labrum tear/Slap tear repair surgery in 2020. If dislocations still occur, I know a laterjet procedure can protect the shoulder from coming out the front, is there anything that can assist with a shoulder that goes out your back? I have winging in my left shoulder blade, and a dip in my back from the previous surgery. I do not have dislocations, but do have a lot of instability…. I went to Ohio State University Hospital, and they said “They don’t play odds less than 80%”…. when I asked what that meant, they said there’s a 50% chance I can be fixed, 50% chance it will not help at all…. I’m too old for a repair surgery, that may or may not work, but too young for a shoulder replacement…. Any suggestions?
strengthening the muscles around it at maximum range, and increasing flexibility adjacent to it.
Dr Dana should know anything we need to know
Hell yeah Dillashaw is a stud call video👍🏻
Amazing he survived
will he require a bankart repair or some such procedure in the near future?
How is this so fun to watch even when I have zero idea about the stuff he says
Dr how long do you think TJ has with how many injuries he fights through?
Depending on how many months he takes off for recovery after this dislocation, I'd say one more fight, maybe two at the most.
@@merazolemos Won’t matter. TJ is done. He’s had several surgeries on his shoulder before, and to no avail. Unless he gets a complete shoulder rebuild with prosthetic parts, he will not be able to keep fighting.
@@starstrikes I'm sure he will be back, maybe not 100%, but he's a tough fighter and will find a way to compete again.
After so many sparring sessions of mine dislocating I finally got surgery. Props to that man for fighting through it. Probably the most uncomfortable thing I’ve been through. On day 7 of healing and I cannot wait to get back into combat sports!
Was it worth getting surgery ? Just wondering, considering getting a surgery very soon in the future.
@@LongRD_233me too i will get surgery this December probably...
My brother got surgery an it did nothing
@@LongRD_233 sorry for the late replies. I had a bunch of tears. It was fully torn 360. It’s 100 times better. He over tightened it so I have sharp pains but it won’t dislocate. I can finally live my life. Can’t say if it will help others just because of how torn it was.
How do they fix it
TJ as a wrestler should know to never post up with his arm. Common wrestling injury is when opponents try to catch themselves with this their hands posted and hypextend the elbow worse case break arm.
Just stop
@@fvgc454ss He's actually right. Anyone who has attended a couple wrestling classes or BJJ can tell you that, it's literally the VERY first thing they teach you after teaching you how to tie your belt in BJJ - don't post up when you break fall. It's simply a bad habit that he has not broken.
@@ipphysio2835 how are yousupposed to break your fall?
Popping out of da socket! - TJ "the notorious" McShaw
I dislocated around 4 months ago for the first time. Did you have surgery to repair your shoulder? Also do you have any recurring instability issues?
if it's only been once get some physical therapy, you likely don't need surgery but if you don't treat it and continously dislocate it more you'll need surgery
Make sure you avoid big overhead swings or stretching with your shoulder and be mindful of your movements and you probably will be ok with just therapy.
i do have recurring instability issues but not sure how to make it get better
@@DANIELJAMES-lz4uc A lot of rotator cuff strengthening and don't over mobilize/stretch. Find a good physio that will teach you the appropriate exercises (not simply any random shoulder exercises - not all exercises are equal).
Everyone's body is different. Some people lose a lot of stability with even 1 dislocation - others are really solid even through 2-3. If you only have 1 dislocation and it feels quite stable (as in swinging the arm and doing overhead movements feel quite comfortable (no anxiety or strange feeling as though its' going to come out again) then I'd say you're good to wait and see without surgery. It's not my official diagnosis as I'm not assessing you in person - but I'm of the type to avoid surgery if possible and I would only get the labral repair if it's warranted due to: 1) Significantly torn labrum according to MRI + dye, 2) Significant Instability + Decrease in Function or 3) 3+ Dislocations. In my opinion.
He's now developed hypermobility in that shoulder, I've got it in both my shoulders aswell
My little brothers shoulder would dislocate over and over due to a labrum injury in wrestling practice. After a year of neglect, he ended up losing 15 percent of the bone. Dude had to have 6 screws in his shoulder
is his shoulder good now ? i think the same thing is gonna happen to me
I was born with partially dislocatable shoulders so yeup. I've deal with it forever.
Such a pain in the ass. So unstable. Hard to lift properly.
How did you dislocated your shoulder?
How the hell did you do this so quickly? TH-cam Ninja!
Lots of practice haha, thanks!
Cover the Rafael varane injury
The fact after 2 dislocations in training my doctors recomend surgery 20 is just crazy
I got it after 1 dislocation, tore the labrum and had lots of loose bone fragments around the area. The surgery is worth it, 4-6 weeks in a sling but then 4-6 months of physiotherapy after. Playing basketball and gymming now probably the same I did before my dislocation.
His shoulder dislocated around 20 times in training camp?? His body isn't like it was 5yrs ago, TJ needs to understand that its time for him to retire. His mark is there and has a great legacy
he was allowed to put himself at risk when there was already an issue, if there is a trainer or manager they should be obliged to share a prefight injury, you have his health to be concerned with and all the investment including bets placed on the fight. I commend him for trying to give it a go but it was not best for him or others.
How'd u make this video so fast? The main event just ended 🤣🤣
😂😂😂
bet he watches events with a pen and notebook
As a guy had multiple dislocations. The pain tj went throught must have been insane.
Shut up and fight.
Get rekt
Make a video of the Saudi Arabian player that got taken by the angel of death, it’s a pretty old video like 10-14 years old
Haven't seen that video in years but the music haunts me
Is TJ's shoulder going to recover after all this damage?
No. He’s previously had surgery on it as well, and obviously to no avail. It’s sad to say but i think TJ’s time for retirement has come. Such a shame when he clearly still is at elite level after his performance against Sandhagen
I honestly think it’s time for him to retire. It looks like a pretty bad vulnerability.
@@starstrikes agreed. After so many dislocations it's no longer just the tissue but the bone in the socket has loss integrity needing a different type of surgery which limits mobility
@@nro9450 Yep. I said this in another comment - His shoulder is far beyond repair, and if he wants to continue fighting he’ll have to undergo a complete shoulder rebuild with prosthetic parts. But why would you realistically bother? Dillashaw is 36 years old and has a well established family. It’s time to hang up the gloves. Maybe pull a Woodley and make a couple million fighting Influencers before you go into complete hibernation.
At first I was like "wow he has so much heart to keep going, so unlucky." Nope, turns out he knowingly went into this fight with an injury that sounded like it would resurface as soon as Aljo took him down. The way I see it he kind of wasted/took a title fight that he shouldn't have, and that somebody else could've taken while he let his shoulder issue get worked out. Nobody lost out too bad except maybe Chito Vera so oh well, I guess. Definitely reinforces my dislike for TJ but I still hope his shoulder heals up with no permanent problems.
Just jumping out of a fight isn’t as simple as calling in sick to work one day. The guy has a family to feed, and coaches to pay. He might of been completely aware of the fact that his shoulder was not up to par, but had no choice but to at least show and get payed.
@@starstrikes Yeah you're right, and I usually keep that in mind but it's very easy to overlook in the moment. I think there's a certain level of injury that's acceptable to work through and just going off of his speech it sounds like it was way past that. But it's true, the people around him still need to be taken care of.
I appreciate that take on it, but IMAGINE you bet money on TJ to find out hes been hiding a serious injury. This is a sport and he just played along to collect the check. He even told the ref beforehand that he was essentially going to lose. I get the toughness to fight through it, but it was a complete waste of time to not give somebody else the title shot, heal up, and actually have a meaningful match. If the take away is that TJ was forced to go through with it for bills/insurance, then that's more an issue of private contractors vs employees.
Maybe you should fight him?
Agree, I think he knew the injury gave him no shot but he made the selfish call and didn't want to give up his spot in line. Shady move but at the same time have to acknowledge that a lot of us in his career position would be tempted to do the same thing. I wouldn't be shocked if he goes for surgery now and never fights again. He's made a good amount in his career and got this one big final payday.
Pair this up with the drug cheat stuff and he's a pretty shady guy. You can be a crappy person but be tough as hell too.
That fight was though to watch. TJ's shoulder was so compromised that he had to realistic chance of winning with just one arm.
The picture at 5:08 was taken so that it shows PED next to his head. Lol. Did you use that one on purpose?
So, what is next for TJ? Does this require surgery? Or is it just a thing that he will have to live with moving on in his career? Doesn't this mean that future fighters will target it? Thanks!
Once that happens it happens all the time. Sucks but he is done
Why would you even fight if you keep having a dislocated shoulder?
It's a very easy injury to hide from doctors. I've had my shoulder pop out a thousand times and I'm still lifting heavier weights than most men in the gym. Life goes on
Why u not opt surgery ?? Because of financial stuff??
Please do Raphael Varane injury
Man I swim to fast and my left shoulder pops out. The thing is it’s less painful each time