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@@fastinbulvis2223 You're absolutely right! The thoughtful comments here are generally referred to as "positive feedback" or "positive critiques." The negative, demeaning word "stupidity" has no business being here.
Her mother had CARED FOR HER, too. Before NYC, her mom gave her $400 cash in $5 bills. That would be like $40,000 today. My old mama never gave ME a DIME.
No, I do not think she was guilty. And yes, I think that Truman drove her to suicide. And I think that Anns mother-in-law ruined her grandchildrens lives by taking them away from their mother.
She fled away from all the agony and pain, even if it meant she had to leave her children. She was too broken and devastated Sad really. Copote was a mean Homosexual little man big mouth
I agree. Quiet as it’s kept, women married up or married for status in this era. That’s a sign of the times. It says a lot that she was a Crawford fan. Both Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyk were typecast as strong women that went from rags to riches. This was a popular theme of that era for a reason.
That shows the true character of a person. Not who their friends were or what they had in their bank account. That's the problem with this world. People aspire to be wealthy more than they aspire to be decent and kind.
I'm a writer and tho my characters are from real life, never would I make their identities obvious, especially my friends. Or be so negative n cruel. Truman was def a vain n jealous man. Dude was full of deadly sins
@@kimmccabe1422 The best writers draw from their experiences, Truman's best works were all based on his life or people he knew. However, Answered Prayers was not only poorly written, it was meant to hurt many people. I wish you continued success in your writing.
Exactly! I understand his life's situation not good but treating others badly to make yourself feel important isn't good either.I wasn't familiar with him until I saw this video and didn't know the story behind him in the made for tv movie. He was obnoxious. I hate to be cruel but," I'm calling it like I see it."
Hard to say, she didn't know she was cut out of the will. Also everyone at the party was talking about the prowler. Ann may have seen it as an opportunity or she may have simply been afraid. Billy and her always argued; I suppose we can never know. But we can know that Capote was vengeful and spiteful and died miserable having squandered his talent. Thanks for the video, I really like that you go deep into the topic, and try and give a fair view.
I'm more for Ann Woodward than Truman, he was a mean little gossipy man. I still can't believe that he thought they were stupid enough to not know it was them that he was writing about
From everything I've read, it all stems from his mother. Who wanted to abort him, can you imagine the damage that would do to a kid or a grown man finding out that your mother didn't want you
@@Leeza3370 I think it must have been very hard, and she was never very loving of him. She hated the way he acted, sent him to military school hoping to cure him of his homosexual tendencies. When Joe began having affairs, she again blamed Truman, she would go from periods of raging at him to periods of indifference. She was a deeply unhappy woman. In Truman's younger years (Truman embellished his past, much like Ann so it is hard to know the truth) He says he would watch men engage in sex acts with his mother in front of him, even one incident where she was choked by a belt in front of him. At nights she would leave him locked in hotel rooms as she went out to meet men, and he would scream himself to sleep.
Atis Oh get off your virtue-signaling high horse. And for your information Anne didn’t call Capote a ‘maggot’ to his face, that’s not how it happened at all! Capote was lurking Anne Woodward as she a Von Bulow were drinking, Capote can hear them but he is intentionally sitting hidden behind a colonnade. A third party cones to Anne’s table and discreetly tells her that Capote is present and Anne tells that person her comment out of frustration that this degenerate is literally stalking her! When he over hears this and realises she now knows he’s out to spy on her and Bulow he then gets up and confronts her coming from behind the pillar he was seated behind and Anne apologised to him assuming he likely overheard her comment. That POS degenerate psychopath was literally STALKING Anne Woodward in St Moritz. And then proceeded to destroy her the way only Capote could do.
@@atis9061 At that time almost everyone was a homophobe! Most people were religious and believed in the Bible, where homosexuality was definitely condemned!
Interesting...a time when secrets were over rated, when being poor was a sin, to overcome was a sin, to achieve was a sin, all put to rest when it was discovered that everyone had secrets.
It's more acceptable today because people post their own secrets all over tik tok and youtube. Not much for them to lose, their lives are there for everyone to see😂 back in the time when there was no social media people worried more about their information being shared as they couldn't predict what effect it would have
Dug her way out of poverty? She slept her way out of poverty. She slept with the Woodward Sr., married, until she realized the son was available and just as wealthy and would inherit. Then she killed her husband.
Quiet as it’s kept, women married up or married for status in this era; that’s security in a time when women weren’t allowed many of the freedoms they are today. People forget that. That’s a sign of the times that can’t be sidestepped when building out a person’s character. It says a lot that she was a Crawford fan. Both Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyk were typecast as strong women that went from rags to riches. This was a them of that era for a reason.
She definitely gets props for taking care of her mother. I did, too. Then again, my mother worked her way out of a dead end town by going to nursing school.
She was offered 2 million dollars by Elsie and William in 1948, to divorce their son and refused. So there is that. Billy was also beating her, she was heavily medicated and clearly in a desperate situation. Personally I have no idea if it was intentional or not. One of the pieces of evidence against her, was that she used earplugs in bed, so wouldn't have heard anything. But if everyone was talking about a prowler, and the prowler had slept in their garage the night before; I am pretty sure she wouldn't wear ear plugs to bed.
And both Anne and Billy were terrified of the prowler and had taken firearms into their separate bedrooms before going to sleep. I’m inclined to think , with her level of drug and alcohol use on top of things , that it was simply a tragic accident.
Look at the picture of Anne and Billy dancing. It’s the happiest photograph of Anne Woodward you’ll ever see! Anne is the reason they stayed together as long as they did. Going over the details I’m convinced Anne was stoned on booze and pills and already alarmed by the fact the prowler had been in their house already. It was a horrible accident and then they caught the prowler who admitted to being in the house that night. Anne almost took her own life that night but didn’t because of her children and mother needed her. Her eldest son was clearly infected by Ethel and believe Anne shot him intentionally. So sad. Anne Woodwards Legacy is her loving tribute to her mother.
Yes, he even tried to take credit for writing 'To Kill a Mockingbird ' out of his jealousy of Harper Lee's success. She did a lot of the investigating for him for his book that became the movie 'In Cold Blood', yet he gave her no credit.
Very well narrated.I saw the movie the two Mrs.Grenvilles starring Ann Margaret as Ann Woodward and Claudette Colbert as Elsie Woodward based on the Family .It was a good movie but sad.Some of the contents in this video wasn't in the movie, this is VERY informative,thank you. This is a tragedy I couldn't figure out.
Thank you for the comment, you are right the maid's story is very interesting. As well as the witness who came to the door, and the children not waking up.
@@susilabello5371 I've been meaning to read the book since I learned of this Family through the movie. I'm at least 7 books behind in my reading.I'll probably have to go ahead and read it.
If you liked the video you should check out The Two Mrs Greenvilles by another fly on the wall, Dominick Dunne. There was also a great mini series with Ann Margaret 😊
Thank you. I also recommend the book 'Deliberate Cruelty' by Roseanne Montillo. She gives such a detailed account of the murder and the days leading up to it.
Truman Capote was very envious because he wanted to be one of those women, but could never be. He was enraged and thus sought to take his girlfriends down in a very humiliating way, just asa he had been humiliated many times in his life. he was the meanest of the mean girls. With a rapier wit.
Nailed it right there. He wanted to be them and he was petty and jealous. These days he could've at least got a sex change. But even then he'd be a petty jealous little asshole.
I'm sure his Buttikins had been severely mauled as a tenderloin...... His unforgiving Posterior churned relentlessly after that. Mincing uncontrollably, like an out-of-control Fruity Fly.
Every person in this story was fucked up, beginning with Capote. That he had maybe a smidgen of conscience would be a miracle, since he was raised by a monster of a mother who made it her life's goal to show him how much she loathed him. That Truman grew up to be as monstrous as his mother--well, that apple fell right next to that tree, didn't it? Note: I always have felt sorry for Ann. She wanted so badly to better her life, and all her efforts did was cast her into a hellish pit of NYC socialites.
I think what is so important and what so many people don't understand is that Truman was a high school dropout who had never taken even ONE college course. He dealt with a HUGE inferiority complex. This resulted in a great deal of resentment to people like the Swans. Beautiful women, mostly well educated, from good families. He would never have any of that. Betraying those women was a thrill for Capote. He never cared about any of them. Betraying them was something he could not resist. He was a hollow man, not very smart, not very well educated and not the best writer either. Truman told great stories, and he wrote great stories, but he was NOT a great writer. If you look at his prose, you'll see how common and simple it was. I could barely get through Breakfast at Tiffany's, is a great STORY, but not a well written BOOK. He was a hollow and vindictive man.
The sin falls on old man Woodward. Instead of cheating on his faithful wife, he should have introduced his son to Anne. Perhaps they could have had a normal relationship. Where was the love for his family, for the woman who gave him a son? Where was the gratitude and humility to God for blessing him with wealth and family? Those things would have saved his son from a bad relationship, his children from drugs and most likely sealed a good future for the family for generations to come. God family country. In that order. For without God there is no family and without family there is no country.
I always wonder if Elsie knew about the affair, or if it carried on while she was married to Billy. So many tragic things about this story, and lives ruined.
Fabulous, simply fabulous.....you did great on this one!!! Please bring us more!!! Lastly, can anyone tell me the name of that movie with Demi Moore from this?!
Thank you so much for the comment. We will do a light video on Wednesdays and try to deep dives on Friday most weeks. Videos like this one are very time consuming so we will do our best to try and make it weekly:) The Demi Moore footage is from the show' Feud Capote Vs the Swans.' If there are any topics you would like to see covered please let me know. It's a great pleasure to make these videos.
Thank you so much, it means a lot to hear a comment like that. Glad you enjoyed it. We are a new channel and aim to continue to provide interesting videos on these topics every week. Thanks for joining us ❤❤
Aah..so is this where the inspiration for the Two Mrs Grenvilles comes from? The part where the reporter meets the second Mrs Grenville at a party? I read the book in 1987 and this part really stood out to me!
What an absolute snakepit Capote's society circle was: backstabbing, betrayal, promiscuity, social climbing and general all-around nastiness. No wonder depression and suicide were so prevalent. However, Ann's care for her mother after she became ill reveals another side of her character. The choices we make!?
Capote was a brilliant storyteller, and he used everything in his path as fuel. His character got him in to many different personal conversations, mindsets, and gossip. It started out well, but it took him over.
My mother and Truman shared a few years, as children, in a small SW Alabama town. She died, in 1976, before I knew who he was. He doesn't sound like he grew up into anyone she would have kept company with. He sounds a bit mean.
Thanks for this excellent video. It's kinder to Ann than, say, Dominick Dunne's book "The Two Mrs Grenvilles," not to mention Season Two of Feud: Capote vs The Swans. I had no idea about Ann's rough upbringing. We all know she was a ruthless golddigger, but it's interesting to see where that came from. The feud with his Swans didn't kill Capote, it was alcoholism, he always had it, and that had everything to do with his hideous behavior toward the end.
The music is lovely but I have hearing problems and the volume in this video is distracting. Loved this story. Please just turn the music volume down. Thank you. New subscriber!!!!!
I know this seems crass, but after seeing the Swan series and reading about Capote for years, I think he knew he had hit rock bottom when he ended up at Joanna Carson's home. There were no swans there to bid him farewell...
What a cesspool of characters displaying some of the lowest forms of human behaviour … Murder , suicides , fractured famillies , social climbing , malicious gossip ,prostitution ,corruption , alcoholism , child abandonment and staggering levels of narcissism…I think thats everything !! … The lesson to be learnt , if you missed it, is that the love of money is the root of all evil
Truman, it appears you indeed were a toad, after all. Your next life will put you on the receiving end of your once actions. We do create our own reality - Damn, there really is no one else to blame. RIP A.W. and her boys. 🙏❤💫
I'm now a fan of Ann. Was she an angel ..no, but a flawed human. Capote was a weasel who never deserved any fame or rememberance. He wasnt just flawed, he was a vindictive, evil man.
I keep wondering how she related to her father-in-law whenever they found themselves in the same room? My mind can't even comprehend the awkward dinners and family gatherings, even if it was just the two of them who were privy to the affair at the time. I put myself in her shoes and I can't imagine I could keep up the charade of a good wife and to keep such a secret while constantly having to be around my ex-lover who happens to be the father of my husband and grandfather to my children. That whole situationship was insane.
Stop juging people this woman, ann , had a hard life she loved billy and had two children by him and was abused by him and his mother she wad beautiful and intelligent but did not fit into societys 1 rules she is innocent let her rest in peace❤
HI, I know a lady in Kentucky, (horse country) that was very young but was around with Ann Woodward. She was a little girl, but remembered all of those that cam around her home. She would continue to discuss, Ann Woodward and how they felt oe knew she was out of place. An example she would say is that her concern with horses was funny. She did not know a Mare from a Gelding. Indeed she was in a place she knew not of, and even those that truly did not want her. Kinda sad...
I read that Capote fell in love with Perry Smith. Says a lot about Truman Capote, who was no different than the people he envied. Ann accidently killed her husband, but whatever society decides was the truth.
Just a fling I believe, when she went to Europe after Elsie essentially forced her too, she had expected to escape the gossip and media. However, she found she was unable to do that, and was not welcomed into the social circles that she had been before. Claus was a welcome distraction, I include the story in the beginning as that was the moment where she supposedly called Truman the slur.
@@MythicMindScape21 Ever notice how Truman gave no account of a man calling him the F slur? Does that make any sense in the 1960s let alone today? Me-thinks he would either make it up or pretend to take special offence when he needed an excuse to be vicious towards a woman. A veneer of righteousness. Truman Capote was basically Perez Hilton if Perez could write.
While the publishers were waiting for Answered Prayers, Capote did a book of short works called 'Music for Chameleons' There is one work that supposedly was to be part of Answered Prayers that is called Mojave. If the entire book had been as beautifully written and sensitive as Mojave it would have been a treasure. The little he DID publish of the book is unreadable trash unworthy of Truman's talent.
Interesting and a good narration voice, unfortunately the background music is too invasive.... (as so often here on TH-cam uploads... It's called "overdoing it"...)
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Wow the background music should be in the background. It’s so loud and the squealing is such a distraction. It’s hard to listen to for a half hour. A shame.
A fascinating story! I don't know if anyone caught the photo of her with a shotgun after killing a tiger for sport! That made my stomach turn. No one can drive a person to suicide. It is a collection of experiences that incites that. She cursed her own family is what I think. She stood by her mother. That proves she was a decent person who was just exceptionally wounded. I wept when you got to her children's suicides. Her children needed to be with their mother. The sadness is overwhelming!
Good eyes. Yes, she was very proud of that. She was told she had killed the biggest ever tiger by a woman in India. No idea how true that is, but Ann would tell people that story. She actually killed two tigers. I didn't like the photo either, but felt it should be included. Thanks for the comment, the story is incredibly sad.
I love tigers. They feel like relatives of mine rather than wild animals. My personal Vedic star sign animal is a female tiger. In India, to kill a tiger will bring a curse on you. @@MythicMindScape21
I commented that Anne was right in her characterization of Capote as a fog and a toad, and TH-cam removed the comment and threatened me with denial of my human right to express my opinion. Hatred of the truth is the real hate crime.
I'm repulsed by these things. The terms "high society" and "upper echelon". Those things that require the "uncivilized" to attend etiquette classes. I'd rather live my life on my terms, as the person I am, than pretend to be someone I'm not, just to drink champagne from crystal glassware and not have to iron my clothes. Hanging out with women who gossip all day long and despise their husbands. It always sounds horrible to me, yet people still aspire to live that life. I honestly don't get it.
Ann like many others I think believed in the fairy tales she saw on the silver screen. She was born poor, and knew nothing of the world, so as with many in that time, when they saw the 'glamorous' life in films they believed in it. She didn't know the reality of Joan Crawford's life and in those days the Hollywood machine kept the scandalous stories from ever reaching public ears.
@MythicMindScape21 That's so very true. And behind the eyes of almost every silver screen actress, behind the false lashes and mascara, there's a sad girl who has a tragic story to tell.
I think Ann Woodward was already depressed with everything she had been through. Truman Capote probably made her depression worse. She was fragile to begin with.
I don't think the music is too loud, but the shotgun blast is ringing in my ears! You have really outdone yourself 🎉! Unlike Capote, you managed to weave the monstrous narrative into a cogent and factual retelling. Oh, the compartmentalization!✍️ The forces at play among the characters in this decidedly unfunny tragicomedy are enough to make a simpleton extatic with his station in life! Yes, Anne and Lillie Mae rose from hardscrabble beginnings but their endings were worse.One of Capote's biographers said Truman had a metaphorical whip that he used on others (boy did he!), but eventually used on himself.For all the glitz and glamour it's one of the tawdriest stories imaginable And tragic. But it's like who cares?! Capote's literary genius up until 'In Cold Blood ' puts him in a writer's pantheon, without question. And his Swans were, for the most part, extrordinary women. But the only ones who came out smelling like roses 🌹 were CZ Guest and the great Babe Paley❤ ..... poor Anne Woodward.... PS Your work reminds me of former New York Times drama critic, Frank Rich. Forget the review, his writing was always compelling and captivating. And so is yours. As a narrator myself, I'm studying your technique.So keep up the stellar work.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed comment! It's always a bit nerve-wracking to delve into such complex and nuanced stories, especially one as intricate and emotionally charged as the tale of Ann Woodward and Truman Capote. My original script was two hours 🤣🤣. I tried very hard to get it under 30, so much more I wanted to include. I'm particularly touched by your comparison to Frank Rich - that's quite a compliment! I am not sure , I deserve it, but I am trying to get better on these longer Friday videos. The Wednesday ones, are just shorter forays into topics. It's comments like yours that inspire me to keep striving for excellence in my work. Your perspective as a fellow narrator is invaluable, and I'm humbled that you find my technique worth studying. I look forward to continuing to share compelling stories and hope they resonate with you as much as your feedback has with me. Let's keep exploring these intricate narratives together. Thank you again for your support and encouragement! 🌹✍🎉And if you have any tips on how we can make the channel better, I'd happily welcome them. Have a nice Sunday ❤❤
You are so right. AI is not an acceptable mode of narration because a documentary needs the ability of a true storyteller to bring the subject matter to life. Thanks for your most pertinent observation.
Thank you, they are very time consuming. I want to do one every week but it makes it hard as so much research goes in to just the material then the script then the editing. So we will just have a quick one on Jayne Mansfield this week. But next week we will delve into the story I have been working on for about a month, about Judy Garland. Her story is so sad and complex, I want to do it justice. I really appreciate the comments and feedback.
@@MythicMindScape21I'm Soo aware of the process. I too am involved in the roll-out of a documentary and it just takes time. You are on weekly deadlines which makes quality control an overriding factor. With a film 🎥 one keeps their eyes on the prize (the wrap) but hopefully grace allows your unburnished muse to get there with you. So much shop talk, I know, but I know how very busy you are. Good good luck ❤ and break a leg!...
There was another case in Roanoke VA with similar circumstances but I can’t remember what year? I remember the little girls name was Willow and the man killed her father, mother and sister just so he could have her, then he set their house on fire.
Dominick Dunne had a black and white ball two years earlier to which Capote was invited,Capote copied it ,claimed it as original and did not invite Dominick Dunne .He was a deeply flawed person but a brilliant writer.Like all artistic people ,they always live on the edge and have various addictions .
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The music is actually quite nice but a little bit too loud.
Great video! Thanks! The music was a bit loud. But aside from that it was really well done.
@MythicMindEscape21 ~ The music is fine. It's not too loud at all. Some people just want something to complain about. Ignore their stupidity.
@@mcmlxii4419 No one mentioning the music is complaining, nor are they stupid. We like the channel and want it to be better, and MMS21 has responded very well to the feedback.
@@fastinbulvis2223 You're absolutely right! The thoughtful comments here are generally referred to as "positive feedback" or "positive critiques." The negative, demeaning word "stupidity" has no business being here.
The way she took care of her mother and took her home to be buried there's something to be said about that
I agree
Yes 👍
Her mother had CARED FOR HER, too. Before NYC, her mom gave her $400 cash in $5 bills. That would be like $40,000 today. My old mama never gave ME a DIME.
I was thinking the same thing, she was capable of kindness in some aspects of her life.
No, I do not think she was guilty. And yes, I think that Truman drove her to suicide. And I think that Anns mother-in-law ruined her grandchildrens lives by taking them away from their mother.
She fled away from all the agony and pain, even if it meant she had to leave her children. She was too broken and devastated Sad really. Copote was a mean Homosexual little man big mouth
Their two boys also committed suicide. A very tragic family.
Precisely. That old witch, the grandmother, should go to hell in her next life.
I feel very sorry for her kids😢 such a tragic story of the family
She took care of her mother, that’s all I know.
I agree.
Quiet as it’s kept, women married up or married for status in this era. That’s a sign of the times. It says a lot that she was a Crawford fan. Both Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyk were typecast as strong women that went from rags to riches. This was a popular theme of that era for a reason.
Yup, she stuck by her mom. If she had been a truly horrible person she never would have done that!
I thought of that of course. she gets a gold star for that one
@@MummyBrownMany still do! 😂😂😂
That shows the true character of a person. Not who their friends were or what they had in their bank account. That's the problem with this world. People aspire to be wealthy more than they aspire to be decent and kind.
Dirt he found out on her? A hard start in life means she has dirt? What a snob.
He was disgusting.
Truman Capote was a textbook narcissist. I’m confused at how people didn’t recognise it then.
it's called projection
Right, her husband called it dirt as well. Most people started poor back then.
Truman Capote was a mean discusting man
Truman was a very selfish individual. He was painfully cruel. He really didn’t care what he did to others that was obvious.
I'm a writer and tho my characters are from real life, never would I make their identities obvious, especially my friends. Or be so negative n cruel. Truman was def a vain n jealous man. Dude was full of deadly sins
He murdered her.
@@kimmccabe1422 The best writers draw from their experiences, Truman's best works were all based on his life or people he knew. However, Answered Prayers was not only poorly written, it was meant to hurt many people. I wish you continued success in your writing.
Exactly! I understand his life's situation not good but treating others badly to make yourself feel important isn't good either.I wasn't familiar with him until I saw this video and didn't know the story behind him in the made for tv movie. He was obnoxious. I hate to be cruel but," I'm calling it like I see it."
Never confuse having talent with having a good character.
Hard to say, she didn't know she was cut out of the will. Also everyone at the party was talking about the prowler. Ann may have seen it as an opportunity or she may have simply been afraid. Billy and her always argued; I suppose we can never know. But we can know that Capote was vengeful and spiteful and died miserable having squandered his talent. Thanks for the video, I really like that you go deep into the topic, and try and give a fair view.
I'm more for Ann Woodward than Truman, he was a mean little gossipy man. I still can't believe that he thought they were stupid enough to not know it was them that he was writing about
He seemed to have a very low opinion of women in general.
From everything I've read, it all stems from his mother. Who wanted to abort him, can you imagine the damage that would do to a kid or a grown man finding out that your mother didn't want you
@@Leeza3370 I think it must have been very hard, and she was never very loving of him. She hated the way he acted, sent him to military school hoping to cure him of his homosexual tendencies. When Joe began having affairs, she again blamed Truman, she would go from periods of raging at him to periods of indifference. She was a deeply unhappy woman. In Truman's younger years (Truman embellished his past, much like Ann so it is hard to know the truth) He says he would watch men engage in sex acts with his mother in front of him, even one incident where she was choked by a belt in front of him. At nights she would leave him locked in hotel rooms as she went out to meet men, and he would scream himself to sleep.
Definitely not mother of the year lol
He had a choice of how he was going to be
Truman hated her because she saw through his bullshit.
Exactly! That’s what I was coming to post.
And he saw his real life depiction through her
she was a hater/homophobe
Atis
Oh get off your virtue-signaling high horse.
And for your information Anne didn’t call Capote a ‘maggot’ to his face, that’s not how it happened at all! Capote was lurking Anne Woodward as she a Von Bulow were drinking, Capote can hear them but he is intentionally sitting hidden behind a colonnade.
A third party cones to Anne’s table and discreetly tells her that Capote is present and Anne tells that person her comment out of frustration that this degenerate is literally stalking her!
When he over hears this and realises she now knows he’s out to spy on her and Bulow he then gets up and confronts her coming from behind the pillar he was seated behind and Anne apologised to him assuming he likely overheard her comment.
That POS degenerate psychopath was literally STALKING Anne Woodward in St Moritz. And then proceeded to destroy her the way only Capote could do.
@@atis9061 At that time almost everyone was a homophobe! Most people were religious and believed in the Bible, where homosexuality was definitely condemned!
Interesting...a time when secrets were over rated, when being poor was a sin, to overcome was a sin, to achieve was a sin, all put to rest when it was discovered that everyone had secrets.
Well phrased.
It's more acceptable today because people post their own secrets all over tik tok and youtube. Not much for them to lose, their lives are there for everyone to see😂 back in the time when there was no social media people worried more about their information being shared as they couldn't predict what effect it would have
I feel sympathy for her. She took care of her mom, dug her way out of poverty only to be chewed up and spit out by these materialistic snobs.
Dug her way out of poverty? She slept her way out of poverty. She slept with the Woodward Sr., married, until she realized the son was available and just as wealthy and would inherit. Then she killed her husband.
It happens like this often
Quiet as it’s kept, women married up or married for status in this era; that’s security in a time when women weren’t allowed many of the freedoms they are today. People forget that. That’s a sign of the times that can’t be sidestepped when building out a person’s character.
It says a lot that she was a Crawford fan. Both Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyk were typecast as strong women that went from rags to riches. This was a them of that era for a reason.
He sounded like a cruel bastard...
And he was and that's that.
He was an alcoholic monster!
@@jamesfox2579 He was a creepy little jack ass.
Abusive
She definitely gets props for taking care of her mother. I did, too. Then again, my mother worked her way out of a dead end town by going to nursing school.
She was offered 2 million dollars by Elsie and William in 1948, to divorce their son and refused. So there is that. Billy was also beating her, she was heavily medicated and clearly in a desperate situation. Personally I have no idea if it was intentional or not. One of the pieces of evidence against her, was that she used earplugs in bed, so wouldn't have heard anything. But if everyone was talking about a prowler, and the prowler had slept in their garage the night before; I am pretty sure she wouldn't wear ear plugs to bed.
And both Anne and Billy were terrified of the prowler and had taken firearms into their separate bedrooms before going to sleep. I’m inclined to think , with her level of drug and alcohol use on top of things , that it was simply a tragic accident.
Look at the picture of Anne and Billy dancing. It’s the happiest photograph of Anne Woodward you’ll ever see! Anne is the reason they stayed together as long as they did. Going over the details I’m convinced Anne was stoned on booze and pills and already alarmed by the fact the prowler had been in their house already.
It was a horrible accident and then they caught the prowler who admitted to being in the house that night. Anne almost took her own life that night but didn’t because of her children and mother needed her. Her eldest son was clearly infected by Ethel and believe Anne shot him intentionally. So sad.
Anne Woodwards Legacy is her loving tribute to her mother.
I would not consider Truman Capote a reliable source under any circumstances.
'Truman Capote made lying an art form. A minor art form' Gore Vidal.
In Cold Blood took licensing that the people in the story had little ability to dispute.
Truman lost himself to booze and drugs like many others
@@MythicMindScape21How reliable was Gore Vidal
What’s with the annoying music
No matter what,Truman Capote was very cruel to push Ann to suicide. Her children are the true tragedy here. 😢
Yes, so many lives destroyed.
Truman Capote was a little toad
not a tragic figure; he betrayed his friends
Bahaha, little toad! 🐸
Yes, he even tried to take credit for writing 'To Kill a Mockingbird ' out of his jealousy of Harper Lee's success. She did a lot of the investigating for him for his book that became the movie 'In Cold Blood', yet he gave her no credit.
He was a little brown nose with nothing in his miserable life but anger. He gave no joy and got no joy!
Very well narrated.I saw the movie the two Mrs.Grenvilles starring Ann Margaret as Ann Woodward and Claudette Colbert as Elsie Woodward based on the Family .It was a good movie but sad.Some of the contents in this video wasn't in the movie, this is VERY informative,thank you. This is a tragedy I couldn't figure out.
Thank you for the comment, you are right the maid's story is very interesting. As well as the witness who came to the door, and the children not waking up.
@@MythicMindScape21 You are most welcome. It IS quite a Mystery.
And Dominick Dunn's novel "The Two Mrs Grenvilles" was fabulous too! In fact, I actually love all his books
@@Veoletteread the book, The Two Mrs Grenvilles"
It's far better than the awful movie. You will enjoy it very much.
@@susilabello5371 I've been meaning to read the book since I learned of this Family through the movie. I'm at least 7 books behind in my reading.I'll probably have to go ahead and read it.
If you liked the video you should check out The Two Mrs Greenvilles by another fly on the wall, Dominick Dunne. There was also a great mini series with Ann Margaret 😊
Thank you. I also recommend the book 'Deliberate Cruelty' by Roseanne Montillo. She gives such a detailed account of the murder and the days leading up to it.
Dominick Dunne has written some great books and articles. His daughter was stabbed to death by a stalker ex BF.
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@@retha1875 She was strangled and in a coma for days. I remember her in Poltergeist. Such a sad story.
Truman Capote was very envious because he wanted to be one of those women, but could never be. He was enraged and thus sought to take his girlfriends down in a very humiliating way, just asa he had been humiliated many times in his life. he was the meanest of the mean girls. With a rapier wit.
Nailed it right there. He wanted to be them and he was petty and jealous. These days he could've at least got a sex change. But even then he'd be a petty jealous little asshole.
I'm sure his Buttikins had been severely mauled as a tenderloin......
His unforgiving Posterior churned relentlessly after that.
Mincing uncontrollably, like an out-of-control Fruity Fly.
Too bad he wasn’t born 5 mins ago when somehow men can be women. The magic of time 😉
Every person in this story was fucked up, beginning with Capote. That he had maybe a smidgen of conscience would be a miracle, since he was raised by a monster of a mother who made it her life's goal to show him how much she loathed him. That Truman grew up to be as monstrous as his mother--well, that apple fell right next to that tree, didn't it? Note: I always have felt sorry for Ann. She wanted so badly to better her life, and all her efforts did was cast her into a hellish pit of NYC socialites.
I think what is so important and what so many people don't understand is that Truman was a high school dropout who had never taken even ONE college course. He dealt with a HUGE inferiority complex. This resulted in a great deal of resentment to people like the Swans. Beautiful women, mostly well educated, from good families. He would never have any of that. Betraying those women was a thrill for Capote. He never cared about any of them. Betraying them was something he could not resist. He was a hollow man, not very smart, not very well educated and not the best writer either. Truman told great stories, and he wrote great stories, but he was NOT a great writer. If you look at his prose, you'll see how common and simple it was. I could barely get through Breakfast at Tiffany's, is a great STORY, but not a well written BOOK. He was a hollow and vindictive man.
The sin falls on old man Woodward. Instead of cheating on his faithful wife, he should have introduced his son to Anne. Perhaps they could have had a normal relationship. Where was the love for his family, for the woman who gave him a son? Where was the gratitude and humility to God for blessing him with wealth and family? Those things would have saved his son from a bad relationship, his children from drugs and most likely sealed a good future for the family for generations to come. God family country. In that order. For without God there is no family and without family there is no country.
I always wonder if Elsie knew about the affair, or if it carried on while she was married to Billy. So many tragic things about this story, and lives ruined.
I feel sorry for Ann Woodward's kids.
Indeed. Probably they are the ones who suffered the most in this story😢
Anne Woodward worked hard to get out of a bad situation. The only way women could back then. Horrible… Anne’s poor sons..
Yes. That is a great tragedy. I can't imagine how hard it was for them growing up.
Anne did not have her children to destroy them.
Could do without the background music
Very interesting story !
Great delivery , good pace, ( yeah background music needs to drop down a notch) but clear concise unbiased commentary . 👍
Thank you, we have noted it for future videos. :)
Fabulous, simply fabulous.....you did great on this one!!! Please bring us more!!! Lastly, can anyone tell me the name of that movie with Demi Moore from this?!
Thank you so much for the comment. We will do a light video on Wednesdays and try to deep dives on Friday most weeks. Videos like this one are very time consuming so we will do our best to try and make it weekly:)
The Demi Moore footage is from the show' Feud Capote Vs the Swans.' If there are any topics you would like to see covered please let me know. It's a great pleasure to make these videos.
❤😊New sub here🎉 This video was EXCELLENT perfectly written and narrated!!! I LOVE UR CHANNEL!😊❤
Thank you so much, it means a lot to hear a comment like that. Glad you enjoyed it. We are a new channel and aim to continue to provide interesting videos on these topics every week. Thanks for joining us ❤❤
I agree. The author does so much work studying the subject. I can tell the author takes her job seriously ❤
Aah..so is this where the inspiration for the Two Mrs Grenvilles comes from? The part where the reporter meets the second Mrs Grenville at a party? I read the book in 1987 and this part really stood out to me!
There's absolutely NOTHING glamorous about "high society".
And so terribly heartbreaking 💔 about her two sons.
The stories are quite interesting though!
To be those ladies friends, and do what capote did. The evil, the betrayal, all of it just…Unfathomable.
Well, he was a Fruity-Campy punchbowl of Iniquity and self-loathing.
The mirror never lies, you see.
You actually feel sorry for these entitled women?
It's interesting how would a scenario like this develop in the modern world
Watch American Psycho, with Christian Bale, circa 2000.....an excellent expose' of the mind-set of the Rich and Shameless. It knows NO bounds.
What an absolute snakepit Capote's society circle was: backstabbing, betrayal, promiscuity, social climbing and general all-around nastiness. No wonder depression and suicide were so prevalent. However, Ann's care for her mother after she became ill reveals another side of her character. The choices we make!?
Capote was a brilliant storyteller, and he used everything in his path as fuel. His character got him in to many different personal conversations, mindsets, and gossip. It started out well, but it took him over.
Wow Capote was a full blown monster!
But then again most narcissists are.
Ah, this was the basis for Dominick Dunne's novel The Two Mrs Grenvilles.
Let’s see, what’s worse-gold digger who would actually stay, or wife beater who cheats on her
My mother and Truman shared a few years, as children, in a small SW Alabama town. She died, in 1976, before I knew who he was. He doesn't sound like he grew up into anyone she would have kept company with. He sounds a bit mean.
Very interesting, what was the town like or life like for your mother in those days if you don't mind telling.
Thank you for your research and intellectual viewpoint. Easy listening with minimal judgment.
Thanks for listening
Thanks for this excellent video. It's kinder to Ann than, say, Dominick Dunne's book "The Two Mrs Grenvilles," not to mention Season Two of Feud: Capote vs The Swans. I had no idea about Ann's rough upbringing. We all know she was a ruthless golddigger, but it's interesting to see where that came from. The feud with his Swans didn't kill Capote, it was alcoholism, he always had it, and that had everything to do with his hideous behavior toward the end.
The music isn't necessary 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly. Annoying.
I agree about the unnecessary background music. But do appreciate your calm demeanor.
The music is lovely but I have hearing problems and the volume in this video is distracting. Loved this story. Please just turn the music volume down. Thank you. New subscriber!!!!!
MUSIC 🎶 is WAAAAY TOO LOUD. It's DISTRACTING while trying 2 LISTEN 2 Ur STORY.
What an amazing story. Very well narration. Well done!
Thank you :)
I know this seems crass, but after seeing the Swan series and reading about Capote for years, I think he knew he had hit rock bottom when he ended up at Joanna Carson's home. There were no swans there to bid him farewell...
What a cesspool of characters displaying some of the lowest forms of human behaviour … Murder , suicides , fractured famillies , social climbing , malicious gossip ,prostitution ,corruption , alcoholism , child abandonment and staggering levels of narcissism…I think thats everything !! … The lesson to be learnt , if you missed it, is that the love of money is the root of all evil
Truman, it appears you indeed were a toad, after all. Your next life will put you on the receiving end of your once actions. We do create our own reality - Damn, there really is no one else to blame. RIP A.W. and her boys. 🙏❤💫
Totally enjoy your narrations.👍👍👍👍
Thank you so much.
Nice work !
This was an interesting & informative video. Thank you
Thank you for the comment. ) Hope you will enjoy our video next Friday.
I'm now a fan of Ann. Was she an angel ..no, but a flawed human. Capote was a weasel who never deserved any fame or rememberance. He wasnt just flawed, he was a vindictive, evil man.
I keep wondering how she related to her father-in-law whenever they found themselves in the same room? My mind can't even comprehend the awkward dinners and family gatherings, even if it was just the two of them who were privy to the affair at the time. I put myself in her shoes and I can't imagine I could keep up the charade of a good wife and to keep such a secret while constantly having to be around my ex-lover who happens to be the father of my husband and grandfather to my children. That whole situationship was insane.
I think about that too. I also imagine what the mother-in-law knew, and how it must have been for her with them all living together.
So, Capote was a toad and the male version of Taylor Swift, "Break up with me and I'll put you in a song."
It is interesting he threatened them with that , yet they were still surprised when he did it.
No but her association to Truman is where she failed herself. He was like a poison. The world she associated with was sick.
Dominick Dunne’s The Two Mrs Grenvilles was about the Woodward case…an excellent book.
Stop juging people this woman, ann , had a hard life she loved billy and had two children by him and was abused by him and his mother she wad beautiful and intelligent but did not fit into societys 1 rules she is innocent let her rest in peace❤
You are naive. She loved his money and social position.
He was an abuser. He was a serial adulterer.
She liked money.
Huge difference in personality dysfunction.
Another amazing video ~ty so much❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
HI, I know a lady in Kentucky, (horse country) that was very young but was around with Ann Woodward. She was a little girl, but remembered all of those that cam around her home. She would continue to discuss, Ann Woodward and how they felt oe knew she was out of place. An example she would say is that her concern with horses was funny. She did not know a Mare from a Gelding. Indeed she was in a place she knew not of, and even those that truly did not want her. Kinda sad...
Thank you for the interesting story.
I read that Capote fell in love with Perry Smith. Says a lot about Truman Capote, who was no different than the people he envied. Ann accidently killed her husband, but whatever society decides was the truth.
Right he sure dug hanging out with Perry and he was a cold blooded killer.
I read that a man admitted to attempting to burgle the home that night Woodward, Jr. was killed.
Yes I cover that later on in the video his name was Paul Wirths.
What dreadful people.
I just found your channel. I love it👍🌻
Thank you so much.
Enjoyed this but what about her connection to the notorious Klaus von Bulow ?
Just a fling I believe, when she went to Europe after Elsie essentially forced her too, she had expected to escape the gossip and media. However, she found she was unable to do that, and was not welcomed into the social circles that she had been before. Claus was a welcome distraction, I include the story in the beginning as that was the moment where she supposedly called Truman the slur.
@@MythicMindScape21 Ever notice how Truman gave no account of a man calling him the F slur? Does that make any sense in the 1960s let alone today? Me-thinks he would either make it up or pretend to take special offence when he needed an excuse to be vicious towards a woman. A veneer of righteousness. Truman Capote was basically Perez Hilton if Perez could write.
This case was profiled on Infamous Murders. Thank you for this video.
Thank you for watching )
@@MythicMindScape21 You're welcome.
Documentary is great, but you need to can the background music..
While the publishers were waiting for Answered Prayers, Capote did a book of short works called 'Music for Chameleons' There is one work that supposedly was to be part of Answered Prayers that is called Mojave. If the entire book had been as beautifully written and sensitive as Mojave it would have been a treasure. The little he DID publish of the book is unreadable trash unworthy of Truman's talent.
Anne Woodward was born Evangeline Lucille Crowell and she was my 6th cousin twice removed
Tell us more please
Interesting and a good narration voice, unfortunately the background music is too invasive.... (as so often here on TH-cam uploads... It's called "overdoing it"...)
You can read comments pinned to video. We are aware of the music issue, sorry it took away from your enjoyment. We learn as we go. Do not compare our research and work to other TH-cam posters however. We simply are not editors, and as we grow we improve and get better in every video.
Excellent story and narration. Thank you.
Thank you
The music is distracting.
Wow the background music should be in the background. It’s so loud and the squealing is such a distraction. It’s hard to listen to for a half hour. A shame.
We are always striving to improve, a few others mentioned that and it has been noted.
The music is too loud n distracting n ur voice is calm that means I'm struggling to hear what' ur sayin
You are an excellent storyteller!
Wow, thank you! This was really my first attempt at doing a long video. :) It's nice to get a comment here besides "can you lower the music") 🤣
I love your videos! You do an amazing job - Thanks! Did Truman have so much sway over the "Swans"? I truly hope not.
Cut the music! I can barely hear the narration.
I love your commentary.
Thank you
Only in seeing this, do I realize how beautiful Ann Woodward was.
A fascinating story! I don't know if anyone caught the photo of her with a shotgun after killing a tiger for sport! That made my stomach turn. No one can drive a person to suicide. It is a collection of experiences that incites that. She cursed her own family is what I think. She stood by her mother. That proves she was a decent person who was just exceptionally wounded. I wept when you got to her children's suicides. Her children needed to be with their mother. The sadness is overwhelming!
Good eyes. Yes, she was very proud of that. She was told she had killed the biggest ever tiger by a woman in India. No idea how true that is, but Ann would tell people that story. She actually killed two tigers. I didn't like the photo either, but felt it should be included. Thanks for the comment, the story is incredibly sad.
I love tigers. They feel like relatives of mine rather than wild animals. My personal Vedic star sign animal is a female tiger. In India, to kill a tiger will bring a curse on you. @@MythicMindScape21
Is there a movie on this
I commented that Anne was right in her characterization of Capote as a fog and a toad, and TH-cam removed the comment and threatened me with denial of my human right to express my opinion. Hatred of the truth is the real hate crime.
Because you spelled fag wrong?😉
What a tangled web of the pursuit of prestige and the reality of being human. Great subject matter and I was totally engrossed.
Truman Capote and Harper Lee were actually childhood friends. He was represented as the character “Dill” in To Kill a Mockingbird”
Yep!
everyone knows that
Actually, everyone doesn't but do go off.@@sallyozuna3883
Actually they don't. :) @@sallyozuna3883
Oh my goodness. I didn't know that!!
😊 i just found your channel on my feed. Very well done, thank you. I have subscribed.
Thanks and welcome
Music needs to be unobtrusive and in the background, not center stage.
Great video!
Thank you
I'm repulsed by these things. The terms "high society" and "upper echelon". Those things that require the "uncivilized" to attend etiquette classes. I'd rather live my life on my terms, as the person I am, than pretend to be someone I'm not, just to drink champagne from crystal glassware and not have to iron my clothes. Hanging out with women who gossip all day long and despise their husbands. It always sounds horrible to me, yet people still aspire to live that life. I honestly don't get it.
Ann like many others I think believed in the fairy tales she saw on the silver screen. She was born poor, and knew nothing of the world, so as with many in that time, when they saw the 'glamorous' life in films they believed in it. She didn't know the reality of Joan Crawford's life and in those days the Hollywood machine kept the scandalous stories from ever reaching public ears.
@MythicMindScape21
That's so very true. And behind the eyes of almost every silver screen actress, behind the false lashes and mascara, there's a sad girl who has a tragic story to tell.
I think Ann Woodward was already depressed with everything she had been through. Truman Capote probably made her depression worse. She was fragile to begin with.
I don't think the music is too loud, but the shotgun blast is ringing in my ears! You have really outdone yourself 🎉! Unlike Capote, you managed to weave the monstrous narrative into a cogent and factual retelling. Oh, the compartmentalization!✍️ The forces at play among the characters in this decidedly unfunny tragicomedy are enough to make a simpleton extatic with his station in life! Yes, Anne and Lillie Mae rose from hardscrabble beginnings but their endings were worse.One of Capote's biographers said Truman had a metaphorical whip that he used on others (boy did he!), but eventually used on himself.For all the glitz and glamour it's one of the tawdriest stories imaginable And tragic. But it's like who cares?! Capote's literary genius up until 'In Cold Blood ' puts him in a writer's pantheon, without question. And his Swans were, for the most part, extrordinary women. But the only ones who came out smelling like roses 🌹 were CZ Guest and the great Babe Paley❤ ..... poor Anne Woodward....
PS Your work reminds me of former New York Times drama critic, Frank Rich. Forget the review, his writing was always compelling and captivating. And so is yours. As a narrator myself, I'm studying your technique.So keep up the stellar work.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and detailed comment! It's always a bit nerve-wracking to delve into such complex and nuanced stories, especially one as intricate and emotionally charged as the tale of Ann Woodward and Truman Capote. My original script was two hours 🤣🤣. I tried very hard to get it under 30, so much more I wanted to include.
I'm particularly touched by your comparison to Frank Rich - that's quite a compliment! I am not sure , I deserve it, but I am trying to get better on these longer Friday videos. The Wednesday ones, are just shorter forays into topics.
It's comments like yours that inspire me to keep striving for excellence in my work. Your perspective as a fellow narrator is invaluable, and I'm humbled that you find my technique worth studying. I look forward to continuing to share compelling stories and hope they resonate with you as much as your feedback has with me. Let's keep exploring these intricate narratives together. Thank you again for your support and encouragement! 🌹✍🎉And if you have any tips on how we can make the channel better, I'd happily welcome them. Have a nice Sunday ❤❤
I love that these are not AI narrated
You are so right. AI is not an acceptable mode of narration because a documentary needs the ability of a true storyteller to bring the subject matter to life. Thanks for your most pertinent observation.
Thank you, they are very time consuming. I want to do one every week but it makes it hard as so much research goes in to just the material then the script then the editing. So we will just have a quick one on Jayne Mansfield this week. But next week we will delve into the story I have been working on for about a month, about Judy Garland. Her story is so sad and complex, I want to do it justice. I really appreciate the comments and feedback.
@@MythicMindScape21I'm Soo aware of the process. I too am involved in the roll-out of a documentary and it just takes time. You are on weekly deadlines which makes quality control an overriding factor. With a film 🎥 one keeps their eyes on the prize (the wrap) but hopefully grace allows your unburnished muse to get there with you. So much shop talk, I know, but I know how very busy you are. Good good luck ❤ and break a leg!...
There was another case in Roanoke VA with similar circumstances but I can’t remember what year? I remember the little girls name was Willow and the man killed her father, mother and sister just so he could have her, then he set their house on fire.
I am not sure what you mean, maybe the Earl Bramblett case?
@@MythicMindScape21 I live in the area and that's what comes to my mind.
I remember this😢
Dominick Dunne had a black and white ball two years earlier to which Capote was invited,Capote copied it ,claimed it as original and did not invite Dominick Dunne .He was a deeply flawed person but a brilliant writer.Like all artistic people ,they always live on the edge and have various addictions .
On the contrary, not all artistic people live on the edge and have various addictions.
@@ria1636. Geez, who said they did? 🙄
@@crystalship9900 Geez, try reading and comprehension! 🤦♀
@@ria1636 Sounds like you’re the one with reading and comprehension issues. Give it a try. Probably best that you stay in school. 👍🏻
Thank you for this and this music concert. 🙉 I am wonder, how finished that Capote? Maybe you can make a podcast about him?
New here beauriful reading but the music is very loud and distracts from your voice and reading
We Kansans are proud to call Ann our native daughter.😊
Music to loud & unnecessary 😊
Thanks for the advice
Too not to
@@MythicMindScape21. It doesn’t bother me at all. It fits well with the story which I love.
Don't play the background music sooooo loud!
Remember HURT PEOPLE, hurt people 🥲
Hurt people often become very empathic
It’s not a crime to be poor. Capote was a total A hole to do that to Ann W, Holding people hostage like he did was repugnant.