I wanted to let you all know that my pressing was flat and centered. I've seen a few issues with warps, but keep trying to get a replacement if that's the case. It's absolutely worth it.
@@ThePressingMatters I'm referring to, if it has a slight warp, it won't affect the tracking - I think it is more in our mind, OCD - that it won't play good. I mean, 2-3mm up and down is not much, but it is annoying, yes. I got this new reissue with such a wobble up and down 2-3mm. Some call it warped, I don't know. The problem is side A and B. I am not sure if it is off-center or not. The label is at least not placed in center - my "mind" - or OCD - thinks it tracks badly because one can see slight movement of the tonearm to the left and right, just slightly. How much should be tolerable? My local store is not against swapping it to another copy. They even said I could mix them if I wanted. When we opened up another one, side D did have a different matrix (the one with CB - look at Discogs latest entry of this). Side D was the side I found the most amazing, so I went back home with this "slightly off-center" "slightly warped" record instead. Still not sure what to do about it. And thinking about this of the upcoming titles makes me worried about this quality control.
@@vidabogotana They were kind at the store and swapped my Disc #1. We opened up two more copies, and we couldn't find my version with that side D with FC6060-B2-45. We only found the APA-002-45-D CB variant in the matrix. I got curious, and I spent another $100 (I'm in Europe) on that variant as well. Interesting thing, the matrix' runout is 6mm less on the APA-002-45-D CB, believe it or not - but not unbelievable since it is another cut (newer?). The treble is more boosted, say maybe +1 or +2 dB. Peter Gabriel is slightly off center (to the left - not much). You may hear this treble in the snare's seide and release of the snare drum. I prefer the sound on the FC6060-B2-45. It is more natural. Peter Gabriel is positioned directly in center. I've tested these on $13000 3-way studio monitors. I'm curious what other people think about these different cuts.
Hi Scott, Bravo! Your emotions that are coming thru your video clearly demonstrate your love & insights of every facet in the album that we grew up listening to, as this new reissue on 45 is, finally, doing justice to the music and the recording after half a century! Can’t wait to play mine. Meanwhile, let’s imagine… The Lamb!!!!!!!
Hi David, It was impossible to hide my reaction to this pressing! I had planned on examine each pressing and describing each one but I came to the conclusion that all these 33s we've known and loved are extremely hampered by the long sides of music. 18-20 minutes are idea, 25 mins not so much. That's why I decided to approach this from the perspective of the new pressing and make some brief references to the limitations of the others. Please come back and leave your thoughts on it here once you've heard it. I think many people enjoy the various perspectives that everyone contributes. Lamb is going to be a showstopper!
@@ThePressingMatters thanks for asking, I have only 2 versions: an early German pressing with stampers 1Y 320 1A 2Y 320 1A And the Classic Records pressing. I prefer the early German in my system.
Thanks for your post. Yesterday I started with side 4. And only side 4. It's unbelievable. Clarity, light as a feather. The stage is bright, the stereo is at least 180°. Everything, the bassline towards the end..... Listening very loud, but there is no pressure from the speakers. It's everywhere around. IT is here IT is now IT is real! Waiting for the other parts day by day😁😁🤩🤩
@CarstenMeyer-dx6mu I think Trick will be a must have, along with Selling England of course. Two of the very best. I hope you can score them in Germany
I’ve listened to my copy twice now. A most eloquent review, your love for this great album really comes through. I can’t add anything except that I concur completely! The only copies I own on vinyl are original US and the Davis remix (also the definitive edition CD) and none of these can compete with this one. I was excited before at the prospect of Trick of the Tail on 45, now the anticipation is through the roof!
Thank you, I am passionate about this series and they knocked the first one out of the park! Trick is the one I'm really looking forward to the most, see here: th-cam.com/video/EuDyhAGvY9o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T1PYxCapOT0WNfF_ I discuss each release in detail.
So true! The banks of keyboards are utilized to great effect and add so much color and texture. It's really a showcase for Tony. Steve has so many exquisite moments on here, not only the famous solo. Are the acoustic guitars all Steve or does Mike also play some of them?
Hi Arnaldo, It's an endlessly fascinating record, and finally we're able to hear everything, I recall the first time I heard it, there was nothing else even remotely like it. Still stands as one of the greatest, most creative progressive rock records ever. If you do decide to get it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks for watching.
Wow - that’s was a wonderful review Scott! Can’t wait to get mine now - your coverage was perfect and hopes are high for all of the Genesis releases now. To have a superb album receive this treatment is so just and so rewarding. I bought this album (original Australian pressing) without knowing a single song. I instantly adored it!
Hi John, I never thought I'd see this happening! Tony Banks was so keen on the remixes, and with the band retiring it seemed they would be the final word. So grateful that Chad Kassel got these plates and licensing deal to give us what only a select few ever heard. The original mix in stunning fidelity. You're going to fall in love all over again! Let me know your reaction please!
I’d love to get my hands on a copy, you make it sound indispensable. Although as a longtime Genesis tragic, if I heard you say ‘Fifth of Firth’ again I was going to lose it. 😁
Ha, yes I was corrected a few times! I am a longtime listener too but I guess I never heard anyone say it and my mind just reversed it as sounding correct. Sorry!
You're welcome! It was a pleasure to do this one. Not to be missed. Probably my favorite reissue of the year! Let me know how you like it once you've heard it ok?
Scott - Fabulous review. Yes this ATL 75 45 pressing really brings out all the nuance, detail and dynamics of the performance and recording and it goes so much more into the music which brings it’s emotions out further
Thank you so much! Did you happen to notice the complex music revealed to be deeper with more nuance on The Battle of Epping Forest too? That took me by surprise. It was so fascinating!
I always liked the tune and the original UK conveyed that convincingly, but the 75 45 took it over the top. Detail, space, texture and micro and macro details - with swings following the stanzas in Peter’s voice more apparent. These guys were 23 at the time - unfathomable Louise, is the reverend hard to please? You’re telling me
@@audiotombThe level of improvement here is significant in the appreciation of the record. One of the most dramatic of any 33 to 45 that I can recall. Really has got me curious for The Lamb Líes Down On Broadway, a record I've always liked but not loved as I do this. We shall see soon! Can't wait to go through each bit of the sprawling canvas of Lamb. If it is improved like this we will all have reason to rejoice!
Hi Scott! I was very excited to see your review when it came out and I was not disappointed. I ordered the record and, after a work trip I got back home late today and I was happy to find it in my mailbox. It's past 10:00 pm here and after putting it on my turntable, boy ohh boy, it did not disappoint. What a way to get back home! I love your reviews!
Hi, and thank you so much for your comments. It was hard to contain my enthusiasm for this release, and now you can hear why! It's awesome. Really beat everything I had, and was such a pleasure to revisit. Thanks for letting me know your reaction to it, and for your kind words about my reviews. More coming soon, including the new Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, but I'm taking my time with it.
@@ThePressingMatters hi! Yes, your enthusiasm was all over. Now, just thinking out loud here, perhaps you could think of a video dedicated solely to the Genesis releases from Acoustic Sounds. I think there's a lot in there. Like you, I'm waiting for a "A Trick of the Tail", which apparently doesn't come from the master tape. On The Lamb, I'm not to keen on getting it (too pricey!), but will it really stack up to the latest remaster? Do you think you would get a "reaching nirvana" moment from The Lamb as you did from "Selling England..."? Have a great Sunday Scott and thank you for all the energy and effort you put behind your reviews and videos.
Im working on a Lamb review. It's a big undertaking, but I'm trying to find a balance between essential information and enough detail where we don't end up with a 30 minute video. Most people have a threshold for the length of a video.
This AP pressing has given me a new appreciation for this album. I always liked it. Now I love it! Can’t wait for The Lamb …!!! Great analysis, Scott. Thank you.
It's incredible what a great presentation and pressing can do for your appreciation of an album. You really get a sense of the intention of the music and can appreciate its fine details in a whole new level. It draws you in to its world with beauty, finesse and power. What more could a fan ask for! Lamb is coming soon!
Anthony, I am confident you will love this record. Full of interesting music, some classical touches, and such dramatic effect. Please let me know when you've had a chance to settle in with it. I remember my first hearing of it. You're in for a treat!
@@AudiophiliaChannel It's a very creative record for us who love both rock and classical. You might be won over to Peter Gabriel era Genesis once you've hear this pressing properly over your reference system.
Hi Bryan, I can't imagine you'd be anything but thrilled with this. It's one you really don't want to miss. I'd love to hear from you once you've heard it.
Finally picked up a copy and… wow. It’s really something to be surprised by an album I’ve heard countless times. My jaw actually dropped when listening to Firth of Fifth. Remarkable.
@@bryangibson8479 Bryan, Thank you so much for getting back to me and leaving this comment! It's an incredible experience hearing this recording like this. I bet you got the same visceral reaction when that moment in Firth of Fifth happens. That reminds me I need to play this again on my new set up! With the new speakers going lower and the VPI unlocking the music on virtually every record I've played, I expect to be even more impressed with what they did here. Glad you had a great experience with it!
This might have been my favorite review to do. I have a deep appreciation for this record and sharing the good news on the 45 and getting to describe all those fantastic moments was a joy. I hope you'll come back and comment on the record once you've settled into it for a few plays. I predict you'll have a big smile on your face!
This is one that I’ll have to get at some point as it’s by far my favourite Genesis album. Mine’s an early UK pressing, which I like, but you’ve definitely sold me on this one, Scott.
Hi Robert, The early UK I have definitely has its charms, a beautiful balance and warmth with decent dynamics, but 25 mins on a side is pushing it. The original skates around this issue and manages to impress but when you hear what the extra space brings out, I think you'll be sold on the new pressing. If it's your favorite, don't miss out on it. Thanks for watching as always great to hear from you.
I totally agree. I just finished listening to my copy , as one of my all time favorite albums I have owned an original, the classic records edition and the remix( we won’t talk about that lol) and this is withought a doubt the most perfect edition. So quiet, detailed and dynamic. I can’t wait for the next Genesis releases if this is any indication. More then meets my expectations.
Hi Derek, I loved hearing your comments on this pressing. It's really remarkable how much better it is than any other edition. I have only heard one of those remixes and did not like it at all. It baffles me that some prefer them! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Stay tuned for The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, coming very soon!
The vocal are definitely more natural, but there is something about the remix I prefer. It has drive and punch. I’m not usually a remix guy but the original mix on this album is a bit tame
@@jackiepuppet9289 The remix does have some fans, but I can't personally say anything about it. I will try to hear it and make a comment. I don't think this new version is lacking drive and punch!
Perhaps not the whole album but Moonlit Knight (my favorite from the album)has more drive and emotion on the remix to me. Listen to when the chorus interjects around 3:45 right before “there’s a fat old lady outside the saloon”. That hits me more on the remix. That’s just me though
That's one of my favorite parts. I'll have to hear what you're talking about. I actually almost mentioned that exact moment in my review because it did stand out as an improvement as well.
Hi Scott, wow...what a great review, the passion you have clearly shines through. My copy is on order and I can’t wait. This is my favourite Genesis album and as a Brit, you are totally right, it’s a very British work. Seriously considering the Lamb now. Thank you for great insights Graham 🙏🙏
Hi Graham! Thanks for your comment. I couldn't wait to do this review as it's one of my favorite albums. You're sure to love this release. I'm glad you understood my British reference wasn't meant disparagingly! As a kid growing up in New Hampshire , I had little exposure to anyone from England, so hearing Gabriel emphasizing the accents and using words and phrases that were distinctly British was just something we had never heard before, particularly in a rock record!
Thanks Oz, That will be great for you to spend some more time with Aja. And I can't imagine any why you won't love the new Genesis. Leaps over all the 33s in my opinion.
Hi Scott. I had been planning to pass on this round of the Atlantic 75 series. Actually there are only a handful I plan to buy. As far as this LP goes, I am not a huge fan of Phil Collins or Genesis for that matter. I used to like Genesis far more when I was in College. In fact a friend lent me the album and I had a 7 1/2" IPS Dolby B recording I made on my open reel tape deck. Your enthusiastic review made me recall what a sonic spectacular that LP was. I remember hearing some, but not all, of the various details and sonic attributes you described. I had a very good system for a college student, but my system now is far more discerning. Two thirds of the way through your review I hit pause and I was off to the Acoustic Sounds Website to order my copy of the LP. I can't wait to hear how this sonic masterpiece sounds on my system.
Hi Jim! Oh boy, I think you will fall in love with this one all over again. You know when I can't hide my excitement for something. This is one that is truly a big step up in SQ from anything we've had before. To hear it on today's audiophile oriented systems is just a pleasure. Can't wait to hear what you think.
@@ThePressingMatters That was what sold me: your gushing enthusiasm. I was not a Genesis fan until 1975 when I met someone who was all in on Genesis. We traded LP's to try out, this Genesis LP for one of my Robin Trower LPs. After seeing your review my memory started coming back. You did a great job describing the sonic attributes. My copy arrives Saturday together with the Wes Montgomery Complete Full House Recordings. I seem to be unable to pass up the free shipping you get when spending $100.
@@ThePressingMatters Hey Scott. I hate this time of year and what it does to deliveries. I had 4 different delivery dates & FedEX missed all of them until today (Tuesday 11/21). Arrrgh. I ultrasonically cleaned the record and started to play it. It was the perfect pressing: Dead quiet, dead flat & dead centered. The stylus landed in the lead in groove and then total silence between tracks until the needle lifted from the runout groove. Amazing and I had it cranked up. My observations are like yours. One of the first things that blew me away was the 3D soundstage. It was like a quarter of a sphere, not unlike The Hatch Shell in Boston the the BSO and the Pops play. I heard things directly 180 deg. to my left and right about 12' away. At times the soundstage seemed to float up to 12' off the floor. There were a ton of details that I never remember hearing like this or at all. The instruments all had a sense of clarity and air around them like they were floating in space. The instruments were highly realistic sounding. I was amazed at the bass. At times I felt the deep bass rather than hear it. The two mid-woofers on each of my towers were visible fluttering from the deep bass. This was NOT rumble from the record surface or acoustic feed back, I have an isolation stand that I know prevents this. This only occurred during the deepest bass passages. I could also see my sub-woofer cone in motion at times. It is rare that there is enough bass that I can see the subs from 10' away. They are usually working but no visible vibration except certain passages on classical music. It was amazing how this LP could transition from LOUD, BOMBASTIC climaxes to soft and gentle passages. The instruments were clearly discernible at both loudness levels. I will have to measure the dynamic of this LP with my SPL meter. This album is so amazing that I did two things upon first listen. The first was to cue the LP up for a second play. The second was to go to the Acoustic Sounds website and ordered "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" and "A Trick of the Tail" LPs from the Atlantic 75 series. Thanks Scott for your "enthusiastic" (polite was of saying "gushing") review. I am taking a new look at what is being issued on this series. I was passing on a lot of these titles, because the ones I'd want I have. The versions I own have very good sound, maybe not the best but up there. I will now have to rethink this based on how good this Genesis LP is. I have never heard it sound close to this quality. For example I have MoFi's of Foreigner, the Yes Fragile One Step and the Steven Wilson Yes Box. I will be interested to see reviews comparing these releases.
@@jfm0830 Jim, I love your descriptions of your experience with this amazing record. I can just imagine how you felt hearing it like this! I'm so thrilled with this reissue. There is so much here to keep you going back again and again. I'm so glad you liked my recommendation. I was really hoping you'd see this review and give it a try. I know when I rave about something it better be darn good. Several people said that my review sold them on it, and I'm grateful that you took the time to share your experience here in the comments.
I watched your vid a month or so ago when you couldn’t contain your excitement for AP doing the Genesis records for Atlantic. I pre ordered all except the pop,1980’s records . I may get those later …. Thank you for the recommendation
Anthony, thanks for watching both of those videos. It's impossible to contain my excitement and I'm glad it shows! They came out of the gate with a winner! This release, being such a lengthy recording was crying out for the 45 treatment. The shorter sides made a huge difference overall. Let me know once you've heard it!
Hello, I am from Italy and my english is less than basic, but I found your post very interesting, competent and full of lovely passion. I'll be a follower of yours. Thanks a lot! Luigi
Hi Luigi! Welcome to my channel. My Italian is not so good either :-) I'm happy you enjoyed this video. It was easy to be passionate about this record. I absolutely love it. Thanks for subscribing!
Hi Scott, I happen to own a Classic Records Test Pressing of Selling England by the Pound on Clear Vinyl @45 Rpm i bought many moons ago. Classic Records only made 34 Test Pressings of this LP and i was lucky to get one of those copies. I wonder if it's in the same family of stampers as what was used etc in this New version? I dont have the New SEBTP, but I'll have to order one to compare. I also have Classic Records Test Pressing of Foxtrot and Lamb. I don't believe i have Nursery, or Live. I do have Peter Gabriel 1st and other artist
Hi! Thanks for your comments. How lucky you are to have the test pressing! Very rare indeed. I did not know it was on clear vinyl, interesting. It should share the same plates as the new one with the exception of Side Two which was recut recently by Chris Bellman. I'm sure you'll enjoy the new release if you go for it. It's probably much quieter overall than the Classic, and that really helps this album come to life.
I am SO happy I stumbled onto your YT channel. The number of albums that I have bought that are pure c*ap pressings lately (Chantal Chmaberland-Tempatation-Evosound comes to mind)has almost caused me to quit buying vinyl and stick with SACD or downloads. I have bought and been very happy with Analogue Productions and that has been what has kept me in the game. Now, I have a place to go to where I can find who is pressing good vinyl and where to buy it. I just added Selling England by the Pound to my wishlist there. Thank you!!!!!
Thanks! It's so fascinating to hear comments on these new records. I don't think I could deal with the constant side-flipping of the new editions, but it's great to know somebody cares & also that the master tapes have held up well. I have to admit I haven't listened to my Charisma LP (German import pressing) since I bought the SACD. The surround mix is terrific! *Selling England* is perhaps an "almost" concept album. It's a comment on 20th century consumerism except for "Firth of Fifth" & "More Fool Me" which don't seem to fit.
The flips on this really didn't bother me. The sides still click in an average of 13 mins a side and the breaks thankfully don't affect any obvious continuity of split a song.
I hope you can get these fairly reasonably up there in Canada. Surely they'll be a few that are must haves. I skipped most of the first and second batch but had to have this. Hope you can hear it sometime. If you like Nursery Cryme, you will love SEBTP!
This was a marvelous review Scott you went in depth each section and hands down my favorite Genesis song Firth and the Fifth I’m definitely sold on grabbing this one to compare to my German original.
Thank you my friend. It's an album I know like the back of my hand, so it was easy for me to elaborate on my favorite sections. I'm so glad you are persuaded to get this. It's worth the bucks just for Fifth of Firth alone! My favorite reissue this year. A clean German might be stiff competition for the other pressings I have shown, but I bet this is going to blow you away. You've got to come back and let me know what you thought of this one you've heard it. Stay onboard for the next one, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway!
@@ThePressingMatters yes Scott I just received the Phil Collins Face Value and I was blown away by “In The Air Tonight” the Lamb is on my list to grab and some jazz titles like the Mingus and Giant Steps by John Coltrane .
Hi Jason! You obviously must love the record! You're like me, three copies already, did I really need this? The answer is yes! It's a significant improvement, and just a delight to hear it in this quality. If you do go for it, please come back and comment. With so many copies, your insights will be valuable to all of us.
Brilliant review! You describe this album in exactly the way I hear it. I have an early repress and the classic records version. So looking forward to the new AP copy which I will get in the next few days and ´The Lamb´ which will follow on later.
Thank you! I think you'll be as impressed as I was with how much deeper you'll feel this music. It's quite extraordinary. Please come back and let me know your thoughts on it!
Great review Scott. I'm so glad - I have this ordered and it's very expensive here (Europe). I hummed and hawed and then listened to it again (I too have the classic 33) and went for it. I love the lyrics on this album; very clever. A desert island disk.
Hi Stephen, I know it's expensive to get it there but if it's any consolation, if the situation was reversed and I had been able to hear what I heard with this pressing, I'd pay $100 to import it from the UK. It's that good and important to me. If it's a desert island disc for you, I say go for it.
Yo Mr Pressing Matters… Nice!! If someone was on the fence about this one I’m sure this will/may persuade them. Let’s hope this rolls over into all the Genesis reissues. Ttyl. John D
I've been on the fence about buying this release. I have the copy the came with the 1970-1975 boxset and I always thought that was better than 1980 re-release I had had since I was young. But, after hearing your review, I was getting goosebumps thinking about Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, etc., etc. It's on my Christmas list now. And if no one buys it for me, I'm sure I'll pick it soon after!
That would be a most excellent gift for yourself! It frankly left other copies behind in overall immersion, dynamics, etc. it shows how restricted the original 33 really is with those lengthy sides. This gives you everything you love in a more relaxed, open way with less distortion, more impact and natural tone. If you get it I'd love to hear how it affected you!
Hey Scott!!! I LOVE this review. I heard Patrick's (PEEBBTHHAL'S) live stream and I flipped out. As a massive Genesis/Tony Banks fan I just had to grab it. I had the Classic Records of Selling England and The Lamb and I hoping this will meet my expectations which I suspect it will but honestly, I think the "remix" is truly phenomenal. BUT?? for old times sake I truly can't wait for this double 45rpm version. Thank you so sooo much for this and I TRULY can't wait for your review for The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and YES I have pre-ordered that as well. Blessings!!
Thank you so much. Many have mistakenly called me Steve! I must look like one :-) Glad you enjoyed the video. I love the album so much, it was not difficult to let it show! A great impressive effort by Analogue Productions. We Genesis fans are in for a ride. Stay tuned!
Great review . Hope I agree with you when I get my copy . I can't wait to compare this to my UK Porky 1st press ( better than the UK 75 release ) . I hope the shimmering , magical sound of that release is present and enhanced on this release . I ordered all the 70's Genesis releases on the first day . Christmas has come early .
Hi Peter, You probably have the gold standard there and I wish o could have heard it, but I feel pretty confident that as good as the originals and early pressings are, all the 33s suffer in comparison to spreading this out on four sides. If ever there was a record to demonstrate that it's this one. In a totally different league to the Classic 33, cut at the same time by the same engineer. I think you are going to like it.
Excellent! You have no idea (well maybe a little now!) what your in for. Get ready for an awe inspiring experience. Please come back and leave your comments here!
@@ThePressingMatters I got my copy yesterday and I must say it is fabulous! When this album was released in 1973, I was 10 years old so Genesis were not on my radar at that age. I started to follow them when around Duke and beyond. I am looking forward to getting all of these AP Genesis releases (combo of vinyl/SACD) in the months and years ahead! Cheers
@@LifelongMusicJunkie I'm thinking of trying the SACDs of the Genesis titles too. SACD is relatively new to me. I have a unit here on loan and I want to see if I feel SACD can reach the potential of the vinyl. Wouldn't it be nice to spend $35 rather than $60 and get the same sound or better! What is your experience when comparing the same title on both formats?
@@ThePressingMatters I bought my SACD player in the Spring and I am trying to not duplicate, but to choose titles as alternates. The exception is The Eagles from Mofi, I have all One-Steps and all SACDs. The One-Steps are better but the SACD's are solid and I opt for those when I am busy with work around the house so no flipping records. I am opting for the Steely Dan SACDs as opposed to the UHQR's, except for Aja. So being selective is my plan, saving me in the end (of course the player cost $$$) 😄
@wdb-Music-Motorcycles Yeah they are pricy. The one I'm using is a Marantz multi format player - seems more geared to AV use yet it does do SACD, DVD Audio, CD and more. Probably not audiophile but it just Sloan to see if I would enjoy stepping back into digital for an alternative.
I received mine today 13/12/23 , compared it to my 2018 Rhino reissue, and it has more minute detail , close though the 2018 doesn't disgrace itself, but the packaging is superb, laminated gatefold, antistatic inners a insert explaining the 75 anniversary and a advertising sheet , it's a very impressive release, pressed in usa , will i buy anymore ? I don't know, they are expensive but at least i can say i have it .
I absolutely love Trick of the Tail. I talk quite a bit about it in this overview and favorably discuss the MOFI. th-cam.com/video/EuDyhAGvY9o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=umSppiP56MpVfGZE
@emilestoffels4268 No offense taken. all opinions are welcome here. That is a release I haven't extensively compared to anything. I'll look for the first CD, as I've heard numerous times it's the best digital version. For vinyl, I don't feel a need to search now with this coming eventually. I'm sure the original UK and Japan are very good.
Good evenings, I’m from Montreal, Canada. I’m so looking forward receiving my copy of SEBTP. It’s one of my favorite Genesis album !! 45rpm, Acoustic Sounds, Bernie Grundman WOW
It was originally announced that Bernie would do a new remaster, but it was decided to go back to the Classic plates. I'm sure it was felt this would offer the best fidelity.
Great video, Scott! Just one question, is this justifiably worth an upgrade if I've already got the 33 Classic? I've been on the fence about ordering this one and Lamb...
Thank you Ryan. For Selling England, it is absolutely worth it in my opinion. You'll definitely hear an improvement. The great moments are even greater. If it is at all a favorite, don't hesitate. For The Lamb, it's very good but so is the Classic and four records are a bit much to flip. It's also very expensive. The jacket is cool. I would get SEBTP as soon as you can, and if you love it, and you are a super fan of TLLDOB, save up for that too. I am not as keen on The Lamb because of its different vibe and weak spots. The top moments are great of course. You can see my review if it as well.
Scott, often with "audiophile" pressings, at least on my system, while there is clarity, perhaps less distortion, etc, there is loss of immediacy, palpability, that I don't get compared to an OG. With an OG, I feel like I'm in a time machine being a fly on the wall of the recording studio. No matter who does the modern mastering RKS, BG, KPG, etc, they all seem to be limited by the age of the tapes - even during Classic Records era. In fact I've been more than happy selling most of my "audiophile" reissues in favor of getting the best/better OGs for that reason. I'm wondering if that aspect important to you or is the clarity and how its emphasized in your system may be more fun with the reissue vs. any feeling of "freshness" of the OGs? .
Hi, I understand what you are saying and I'll try and explain how I see this. I feel it's always a case by case basis. What I am most seeking is the best SQ, but also the quietest pressings that often come with reissues. Yes if one cares to search and find the elusive original that happens to also be quiet, thats great. But how often does that happen and how many originals did you have to purchase to find the one. I'm just not up to that any more. Give me a well done reissue such as this one and I'm thrilled. Same with the Tone Poets, Craft etc. I'm not looking for more detail, but a nice balance of quality recording, balanced mastering and impeccable pressing. I don't lose sleep over the crackly shaded dog that had a touch more bloom than the very fine AP reissue. I am just too sensitive to noisy pressings, so I prefer new records. I'm very selective. Top engineers, pressing plants and sourcing. A nice jacket and I'm happy. A mind blowing upgrade and I'm ecstatic. That's how o feel about SEBTP. It has everything I'm looking for. Same could be said for the AJA UHQR. One could easily sift through half a dozen OGs and spend the same amount as the UHQR. At some point it's good enough. In these two cases it's better in my opinion.
Thanks for your detailed response. It's helpful understanding the essence behind your reviews. I have the classic version of that record and a US first press and so appreciate the review.
@@HoomanR17 You're welcome! I am always open to hearing the best original and if I don't have it, I can try and borrow it for these shootouts or comparisons. I think it's very important to have a reference.
Hi Scott still waiting for my one to arrive in the UK but now can't 😁. The classic 45 only made it to test pressing on single sided LP's . Keep up the good work , the lamb lies down is the next release 👍
@@tonynewman1694 Awesome! I told ya! Fantastic release, so glad you're thrilled with it! Thank you so much for getting back to me and everyone reading the comments for opinions. Seems everyone is impressed!
I always thought that squeezing over 50 minutes of music on two sides of 33 rpm vinyl was overdoing it and risking limiting audio fidelity. Spreading the audio over four sides at 45 rpm, must give much better results.
Hi Dave, this was the issue with all 33rpms of this record. Where an ideal length for fidelity is 18-20 minutes this record really pushed it and it's a miracle the original sounded as good as it did. When you hear it at 45 with all that space, it's dramatically better.
I love your review Scott, great detail and very well presented. I noticed the hype sticker states Mastered from the original analog tapes or "best available source". I knew this of course before the production started but I thought each hype sticker would have been specific for each release instead of either/or. Do we know if the SEBTP 2-inch master tapes exist?
Thank you so much! Well this is a very good question because even though the Classic Records plates were used, Bellman recut side two from the original tape. Why this is we don't know. Was plate two damaged for some reason? Missing? If so why wasn't the whole record recut of the tape was available? Perhaps it was completely recut, but it was found the plates sounded better except for side two. I wish I had more info but this is a question for Chad or Bellman. I'll reach out and see if I can get an answer.
that would be great to find out the process they used, and going forward I hope they are a bit more forthcoming. At the end of the day, I'm so happy with what they did do that maybe it doesn't matter, but still, it would be nice to know. @@ThePressingMatters
It sounds like a fantastic re-recording. Genesis needs the mid-range and bass clarity for their nuance. 'In the room presence' would be wonderful with Peter's vocals. Sounds exciting. Phil's subtly on display! btw.....it is 'Firth of Fifth' as in the estuary (firth) of the (imaginary) Fifth River. Looking forward to hearing Steve's solo and those dramatic bass passages that were so great. As interesting as Peter's voicings are on 'Battle', it is the music I like best. So this should be wonderful (though not my fav). 'Cinema Show' always is great.....and such a fine closer for a great album. Thanks.
I think you are going to love this pressing. Please let me know when you've heard it! I now know it's Firth of Fifth but yours was the first explanation of what it refers to! Thank you for your comment and stay tuned for The Lamb 45. Just landed today. Review coming soon.
@@ThePressingMatters Dang. And I just a couple months ago replaced my old warped vinyl copy with a German printing. I LOVE the the lamb album. It was my entry into Genesis. Kurt and I played it endlessly back in the '70s. I decided during COVID to sit down and try to truly understand what it was that Gabriel was saying. It took me literally months of piecing ideas together, but I think I finally have a (semi) coherent understanding and it is not a nightmare. In fact, I just finished an essay about it and am trying to get a copy to Peter for his review. Finding an address has not been easy. My emails to his studio have gone unanswered. However I have contacted both Phil and Steve with Hackett actually reading it. He graciously said nice things about it.
@rk41gator That is so cool! Listening to it (45) right now trying to come to some conclusions regarding sound. The story I will leave to you and Peter!
Since I wrote this our turntable went into the shop so I did not open my 'new' recording. However, I noticed that the German release was of the 2008 re-mix. I have since returned that copy. My record store will not have the Atlantic 75 release until next month, but am definitely getting on the waiting list.
@@rk41gator it's worth the wait. Good call on returning the remix. It's a travesty how loud everything is on the remix. All the delicacy gone. You're going to love the 45. Let me know!
It's there, perhaps a tape edit, by honestly it's so minor, I missed it on the few listens I had as I was doing the lead up to the review. I don't think it's of much consequence considering everything else. The positives are overwhelming compared to a tape millisecond that most would never be aware of unless looking for it. Don't let this deter you if you are interested in this magnificent edition.
Another nice review Scott. This album has always been kind of frustrating to me. Side One is so brilliant in its entirety, culminating with the stunning Firth of Fifth, and then things kind of fall apart somewhat with Side Two's opening track - the overly busy/wordy The Battle of Epping forest. Very curious to know if you have subscribed to the entire Atlantic 75th series or if you are picking and choosing favorite titles?
Hi Micheal, thank you for your comment. I have to say I used to feel the same about Battle of Epping Forest. Because although it's the same song obviously, I never have appreciated it as much as how I heard it here. It's taken on a new dimension, more so in the music having more interest and impact but also the vocal. It's admittedly not reaching the emotional heights of Firth of Firtg and Cinema Show, but I think its stature just increased immeasurably. I hope you can hear this version at some point. I did not subscribe, though I'd love to, it's just too much money. I'm content with about 20 -25 preordered and I'll go from there. Thanks so much for watching!
I actually have the new pressing, I just haven't got to listen to it yet. Life's been getting in the way of playtime. I mulled over a subscription but there are just too many artists included in the series that I'm A.) Unfamiliar with or B.) Have a mild interest (at best) to warrant plopping down $60 + shipping per release to with the hope that I might like it. @@ThePressingMatters
Hi @chuin10, One of my viewers contacted me, and he had seen your comment about not being able to afford a copy of this record. He expressed a desire to send you a copy! If you leave your contact information at my email, I'll forward it to him so he can contact you. My email is sw. thepressingmatters@gmail.com
Hi Scott. Great review! Did you choke up a bit while describing Firth of Fifth? That's passion. Can't wait for my copy to arrive. BTW - It's Firth of Fifth, not Fifth of Firth :)
Yes I did, and that was just from memory. Wait til you hear it for yourself. You'll be speechless! Yes I've got the title correct now. I've been saying it backwards for years!
Seems like Ill be getting this one then! Its the main one I really saw potential in besides the new Tail cut but maybe theres a bit more hope for the others too now. Do you have Classic pressings of Foxtrot, Lamb and Cryme to compare with?
Hi Leon, Yes I have all the Classics, and will compare to at least those if not originals. This one turned out so well. It needed the extra space, being such a long album. It's a great example of the advantages of 45.
Hi, great video. There is also a second variant of this 2023 reissue where side D has a different matrix with the CB initials just like on side B. Do you happen to know anything about this?
Thank you for your comment! Yes, that came to light after this video was made. I've followed along with it and it may have been done due to an issue with the original plate. I don't hear any issues with this side on my set with the original plate, so something must have come up after the first batch was pressed. From what I gather, the new cut sounds fine and in keeping with the sound across all the sides.it will be interesting if one ends up being preferred. Nevertheless, I wouldn't let this deter you from getting the record. It's quite a leap in sound quality.
@@ThePressingMatters This is my dilemma now, as I can go to the store and get the other variant. Yeah, which one will people prefer? It seems I got the first variant then, : FC-6060-B2-45 on side D's matrix, without the CB initials. Is that correct? The other one is: APA-002-45-D CB Side C is slightly different too: FC-6060-B1-45 SM#1 APA 002-45 C Why the SM#1 etc.? Is this something AP won't reveal because of an error/bad cause, or do anyone know?
Scott what a lovely video! Couldn't agree more about the status of this masterpiece. With regards to the Atl 45 rpm, I heard lots of copies: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Blue Hatters, Small Hatters, Large Hatters, from EU, US, UK and what not. I always came back to the German Large man hatter (NOT the Virgin green/red labels which has a wrong stereo balans inclined to the right). My German copy is even better that the classic records 33 rpm. Just saying. Perhaps you can check that one out once? Will be quite interesting. Anyway in the meantime I'll order the ATL 45 rpm. Oh btw, in your video I believe you consequently reversed the title of "Firth of Fifth". It's because of the emotions I'm sure (ghe ghe).
I plan to track down that German pressing because several people have mentioned it as a good one. As far as Firth of Fifth. I can't believe I have been saying it incorrectly for years and no one has corrected me. I guess making that error on a public forum was the answer! Lol. I have no idea what it refers to. I figured it was something like the Fifth Duke of Firth or something very British! So I now stand corrected!
@@ThePressingMatters About the Battle of Epping Forest: quite a few Genesis fans have problems with that piece. I really don't understand that. It's about gangs in England visualized in almost a radio play setting. It's f*8@% brilliant! It's a real masterpiece. Too English? Too Gabriel heavy? Who cares, it's art with an A. It reminds me of the Gangs of NY movie.
@@emilestoffels4268 The genius the song really come through perfectly on the new pressing. Lots of subtle things happening within the music are simoly easier to discern and appreciate. Then there's Peter! What a fun piece.
Hi Micheal. I'll put it this way. Waves of pleasure, hair standing on end, tactile goosebumps on your skin, and lump in your throat and a strong emotional response that is a combination of giddiness and tears of joy! The dynamic range is perfect. Play it loud!
Hi Scott. Does your copy have the dropout on Side 1? It's when he sings 'drowned' on the intro to Moonlight Knight. It's not on the Classic 33. Great Review!
Thank you, You know I just started reading about people hearing a dropout or a tape splice at that point, and to be honest I did not notice it when doing this video. There must be something to it so I promise I'll check it and get back to you here as soon as possible
I'm a long-time friend of Oz's, by the way. I'm not that familiar with the album, but a couple of questions have come up. 1) Whether the 45rpm format works for this album as a few have pointed out that there's a side flip at an inopportune time. 2) There's an audible tape dropout. What do you think?
Nice to hear from you Jeff. This is my thought on it. There is a small dropout or tape issue. In my opinion it is so insignificant, I don't think most would notice it. It should in no way deter someone interested in this from going forward. I found the side breaks on this album unobtrusive. No longer composition is split. Also I didn't find any sound difference in the newly cut side 2 of any concern. The record sounds glorious to me.
Hi and welcome to the channel! So glad you found me 😊 My system used for any evaluation is listed in the description box of each video. I also have done some system update videos, here is the last one: th-cam.com/video/V6kMY7qXylA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Mg7ZX8E_7br4UvOj So glad you'll be joining me for my look through all the Genesis titles coming. Please subscribe so you don't miss anything! I'm working on The Lamb 45 as we speak, listening through and doing some comparisons.
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So, bottom line, Scott... do you recommend this pressing or is it a pass? Thank you for another fantastic review. You never oversell a pressing and you never let your enthusiasm for a favorite recording cloud your judgment of the particular version you're reviewing. That's why we can be super confident when you give a record such a glowing, unconditionally great review that this is a must-buy. I've never regretted buying something you've strongly recommended, so I am quite comfortable now placing my order for Selling England by the £. Thanks again and take care.
Yes I can easily give this one my blessing LOL. Seriously, you know me, my taste, my system, my listening preferences and style in delivering information on my channel. I'm always cautious in how I say something and leave some leeway for variables. I'm really happy my suggestions have been on point! I know enough about you too from our back and forth over ghe last few years, and I was hoping you would show up in the comments so I could personally say to you. Get it! Don't miss it! You're going to love it! You know it's good when I get like I did in the video. Had I played Firth of Fifth right before filming I probably would have been a bit shaken emotionally and looking completely insane!
@@ThePressingMatters Wow. You weren't lyin'. This record sounds beautiful and perfect. Listening to this 2x45 QRP pressing on my stereo is an amazing experience. A completely different experience than listening to the CD or streaming. I'm hearing things in the music I've never heard before. And really digging the music more than I ever have before. A great purchase. Thanks again for the solid recommendation. Hope you are well. Ron C
Hi Ron! I try and report things exactly as I hear them. You can tell when I'm very excited that something special is under review. This is one of those records. Glad you found my recommendation spot on. It's so good, I want a back up copy lol!
@ThePressingMatters I have a pair of klipschorns powered by a dynaco st-70 The klipschorns are 104 db efficient so I will let my neighbors enjoy it to !
Yes they will repress it as far as I know. They do seem to be using the previous plates as far as they are viable, and then recutting sides where necessary. I don't like this way of doing it because each pressing might sound different. The recut side I heard was fine, pretty much undetectable, but I'd rather they either have the whole album a consistent cut among all sides.
It sounds amazing once you get past moonlight. I thought there was something wrong and just realized it a really bad mix. After that it so good but moonlight is one of my favorite songs and just sounds sooooo bad compared to the rest of the album.
Do you think it sounds better on a different edition? I'll go back and compare that one track against my UK to see if I hear anything that you describe.
No low end, higher end are muted drums to low in the mix. Don’t think it’s the pressing think it’s the 2 track mix down. The rest of the tracks are great
Is it!? If true I'm embarrassed that I never realized it. (Running to check my labels now, he he) Thanks for the correction! You are correct sir! I guess I've never heard anyone else speak the title before.
This and Foxtrot are my favorite Genesis albums. Probably my two favorite 70s Prog Rock albums. I wasn’t really planning on dropping $60 to get another copy, but…. Yeah, after seeing your review I’m probably going to do it now.
No offense intended! When I was young and first listening to this album, the exaggerated British accents and phrases were so foreign to a kid who never left his hometown in NH. That's all I meant by that.
Hi Charlie. I understand but I think these breaks are logically placed and personally didn't mind. The trade off was huge for me. I guess you are going to be reluctant to get the 8 sided Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I might have feelings about that one!
I'm sorry, but I don't have the 2017. That's is a remix, and most people prefer the original mix. The Atlantic 75 gives you the original mix in the best fidelity possible. If you love this record you really should upgrade to this.
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I wanted to let you all know that my pressing was flat and centered. I've seen a few issues with warps, but keep trying to get a replacement if that's the case. It's absolutely worth it.
Will it ruin the sound otherwise?
@@rabarebra Hi,
Not sure what you are referring to. If you could clarify, I'll be happy to try and answer.
@@ThePressingMatters I'm referring to, if it has a slight warp, it won't affect the tracking - I think it is more in our mind, OCD - that it won't play good. I mean, 2-3mm up and down is not much, but it is annoying, yes. I got this new reissue with such a wobble up and down 2-3mm. Some call it warped, I don't know. The problem is side A and B. I am not sure if it is off-center or not. The label is at least not placed in center - my "mind" - or OCD - thinks it tracks badly because one can see slight movement of the tonearm to the left and right, just slightly.
How much should be tolerable?
My local store is not against swapping it to another copy. They even said I could mix them if I wanted. When we opened up another one, side D did have a different matrix (the one with CB - look at Discogs latest entry of this). Side D was the side I found the most amazing, so I went back home with this "slightly off-center" "slightly warped" record instead. Still not sure what to do about it. And thinking about this of the upcoming titles makes me worried about this quality control.
Thanks for sharing! My Disc 1 is very slightly warped, but not to a point that it impacts sound.
@@vidabogotana They were kind at the store and swapped my Disc #1. We opened up two more copies, and we couldn't find my version with that side D with FC6060-B2-45. We only found the APA-002-45-D CB variant in the matrix. I got curious, and I spent another $100 (I'm in Europe) on that variant as well. Interesting thing, the matrix' runout is 6mm less on the APA-002-45-D CB, believe it or not - but not unbelievable since it is another cut (newer?). The treble is more boosted, say maybe +1 or +2 dB. Peter Gabriel is slightly off center (to the left - not much). You may hear this treble in the snare's seide and release of the snare drum.
I prefer the sound on the FC6060-B2-45. It is more natural. Peter Gabriel is positioned directly in center.
I've tested these on $13000 3-way studio monitors.
I'm curious what other people think about these different cuts.
Hi Scott, Bravo!
Your emotions that are coming thru your video clearly demonstrate your love & insights of every facet in the album that we grew up listening to, as this new reissue on 45 is, finally, doing justice to the music and the recording after half a century! Can’t wait to play mine. Meanwhile, let’s imagine…
The Lamb!!!!!!!
Hi David,
It was impossible to hide my reaction to this pressing! I had planned on examine each pressing and describing each one but I came to the conclusion that all these 33s we've known and loved are extremely hampered by the long sides of music. 18-20 minutes are idea, 25 mins not so much. That's why I decided to approach this from the perspective of the new pressing and make some brief references to the limitations of the others. Please come back and leave your thoughts on it here once you've heard it. I think many people enjoy the various perspectives that everyone contributes.
Lamb is going to be a showstopper!
David, I meant to ask if you had another pressing for reference in this case? Curious which one you are used to.
@@ThePressingMatters thanks for asking, I have only 2 versions: an early German pressing with stampers
1Y 320 1A
2Y 320 1A
And the Classic Records pressing. I prefer the early German in my system.
@@davidchan8108 I've heard very good things about the German. Interestingly my IK has the 420 matrix and did sound lovely. Beautiful balance.
Don’t you guys think that eight sides will be a bit too much for Lamb no matter how good it sounds? That’s a lot of flipping
Thanks for your post. Yesterday I started with side 4. And only side 4. It's unbelievable. Clarity, light as a feather. The stage is bright, the stereo is at least 180°. Everything, the bassline towards the end..... Listening very loud, but there is no pressure from the speakers. It's everywhere around. IT is here IT is now IT is real!
Waiting for the other parts day by day😁😁🤩🤩
Wow I am so glad you like it. It's amazing!
@@ThePressingMatters have the lamb, still sealed at Home, hope to get also the trick.... Not available in Germany 😁
@CarstenMeyer-dx6mu I think Trick will be a must have, along with Selling England of course. Two of the very best. I hope you can score them in Germany
I’ve listened to my copy twice now. A most eloquent review, your love for this great album really comes through. I can’t add anything except that I concur completely! The only copies I own on vinyl are original US and the Davis remix (also the definitive edition CD) and none of these can compete with this one. I was excited before at the prospect of Trick of the Tail on 45, now the anticipation is through the roof!
Thank you, I am passionate about this series and they knocked the first one out of the park! Trick is the one I'm really looking forward to the most, see here:
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I discuss each release in detail.
Every texture of every key in Tony’s arsenal and every tone and technique by Steve are brought to the fore in the most natural of ways
So true! The banks of keyboards are utilized to great effect and add so much color and texture. It's really a showcase for Tony. Steve has so many exquisite moments on here, not only the famous solo. Are the acoustic guitars all Steve or does Mike also play some of them?
Mike and Tony - Mike played a lot of interlocking 12 string guitar on the pastoral moments
Oh interesting,I thought perhaps Steve played some acoustic.
It is primarily Steve. You can pick out the second guitar part of Mike’s more clearly on this release, very distinctive
I can tell you really love this album and know it very well. I was waiting for a few reviews on this, but your take definitely sold me on it. Thanks.
Hi Arnaldo,
It's an endlessly fascinating record, and finally we're able to hear everything, I recall the first time I heard it, there was nothing else even remotely like it. Still stands as one of the greatest, most creative progressive rock records ever. If you do decide to get it, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks for watching.
Great to hear as I just ordered this and P.C first two albums. I will be buying more of these Atlantic 75th anniversary titles!
Excellent! I'm sure you'll be very happy with this one. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway arrives tomorrow! I hope it reaches the level of this one!
Wow - that’s was a wonderful review Scott! Can’t wait to get mine now - your coverage was perfect and hopes are high for all of the Genesis releases now. To have a superb album receive this treatment is so just and so rewarding. I bought this album (original Australian pressing) without knowing a single song. I instantly adored it!
Hi John,
I never thought I'd see this happening! Tony Banks was so keen on the remixes, and with the band retiring it seemed they would be the final word. So grateful that Chad Kassel got these plates and licensing deal to give us what only a select few ever heard. The original mix in stunning fidelity. You're going to fall in love all over again! Let me know your reaction please!
I’d love to get my hands on a copy, you make it sound indispensable. Although as a longtime Genesis tragic, if I heard you say ‘Fifth of Firth’ again I was going to lose it. 😁
Ha, yes I was corrected a few times! I am a longtime listener too but I guess I never heard anyone say it and my mind just reversed it as sounding correct. Sorry!
Thank you for the awesome review! I can't wait to get my hands on a copy. One of my favorite Genesis albums.
You're welcome! It was a pleasure to do this one. Not to be missed. Probably my favorite reissue of the year! Let me know how you like it once you've heard it ok?
Scott - Fabulous review. Yes this ATL 75 45 pressing really brings out all the nuance, detail and dynamics of the performance and recording and it goes so much more into the music which brings it’s emotions out further
Thank you so much! Did you happen to notice the complex music revealed to be deeper with more nuance on The Battle of Epping Forest too? That took me by surprise. It was so fascinating!
I always liked the tune and the original UK conveyed that convincingly, but the 75 45 took it over the top.
Detail, space, texture and micro and macro details - with swings following the stanzas in Peter’s voice more apparent. These guys were 23 at the time - unfathomable
Louise, is the reverend hard to please? You’re telling me
@@audiotombThe level of improvement here is significant in the appreciation of the record. One of the most dramatic of any 33 to 45 that I can recall. Really has got me curious for The Lamb Líes Down On Broadway, a record I've always liked but not loved as I do this. We shall see soon!
Can't wait to go through each bit of the sprawling canvas of Lamb. If it is improved like this we will all have reason to rejoice!
Hi Scott! I was very excited to see your review when it came out and I was not disappointed. I ordered the record and, after a work trip I got back home late today and I was happy to find it in my mailbox. It's past 10:00 pm here and after putting it on my turntable, boy ohh boy, it did not disappoint. What a way to get back home! I love your reviews!
Hi, and thank you so much for your comments. It was hard to contain my enthusiasm for this release, and now you can hear why! It's awesome. Really beat everything I had, and was such a pleasure to revisit. Thanks for letting me know your reaction to it, and for your kind words about my reviews. More coming soon, including the new Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, but I'm taking my time with it.
@@ThePressingMatters hi! Yes, your enthusiasm was all over. Now, just thinking out loud here, perhaps you could think of a video dedicated solely to the Genesis releases from Acoustic Sounds. I think there's a lot in there. Like you, I'm waiting for a "A Trick of the Tail", which apparently doesn't come from the master tape. On The Lamb, I'm not to keen on getting it (too pricey!), but will it really stack up to the latest remaster? Do you think you would get a "reaching nirvana" moment from The Lamb as you did from "Selling England..."? Have a great Sunday Scott and thank you for all the energy and effort you put behind your reviews and videos.
Im working on a Lamb review. It's a big undertaking, but I'm trying to find a balance between essential information and enough detail where we don't end up with a 30 minute video. Most people have a threshold for the length of a video.
This AP pressing has given me a new appreciation for this album. I always liked it. Now I love it! Can’t wait for The Lamb …!!! Great analysis, Scott. Thank you.
It's incredible what a great presentation and pressing can do for your appreciation of an album. You really get a sense of the intention of the music and can appreciate its fine details in a whole new level. It draws you in to its world with beauty, finesse and power. What more could a fan ask for! Lamb is coming soon!
Such a beautiful, heartfelt review, had a quick stream, and just ordered my first Genesis record. Thanks for another great video.
Anthony, I am confident you will love this record. Full of interesting music, some classical touches, and such dramatic effect. Please let me know when you've had a chance to settle in with it. I remember my first hearing of it. You're in for a treat!
@@ThePressingMatters loving the stream. Great songs with wonderful invention.
@@AudiophiliaChannel It's a very creative record for us who love both rock and classical. You might be won over to Peter Gabriel era Genesis once you've hear this pressing properly over your reference system.
Great video once again Scott
Thank you so much Jim! It was a pleasure to do this one!
I’ve been on the fence about this reissue, but you’ve convinced me to pick it up! Placing order now…
Hi Bryan,
I can't imagine you'd be anything but thrilled with this. It's one you really don't want to miss. I'd love to hear from you once you've heard it.
Finally picked up a copy and… wow. It’s really something to be surprised by an album I’ve heard countless times. My jaw actually dropped when listening to Firth of Fifth. Remarkable.
@@bryangibson8479 Bryan,
Thank you so much for getting back to me and leaving this comment! It's an incredible experience hearing this recording like this. I bet you got the same visceral reaction when that moment in Firth of Fifth happens. That reminds me I need to play this again on my new set up! With the new speakers going lower and the VPI unlocking the music on virtually every record I've played, I expect to be even more impressed with what they did here. Glad you had a great experience with it!
Great review! My copy is on the way, along with Foreigner self-titled. Can't wait. I'll be getting the Lambs Lies down ... as well.
This might have been my favorite review to do. I have a deep appreciation for this record and sharing the good news on the 45 and getting to describe all those fantastic moments was a joy.
I hope you'll come back and comment on the record once you've settled into it for a few plays. I predict you'll have a big smile on your face!
This is one that I’ll have to get at some point as it’s by far my favourite Genesis album. Mine’s an early UK pressing, which I like, but you’ve definitely sold me on this one, Scott.
Hi Robert,
The early UK I have definitely has its charms, a beautiful balance and warmth with decent dynamics, but 25 mins on a side is pushing it. The original skates around this issue and manages to impress but when you hear what the extra space brings out, I think you'll be sold on the new pressing. If it's your favorite, don't miss out on it. Thanks for watching as always great to hear from you.
I totally agree. I just finished listening to my copy , as one of my all time favorite albums I have owned an original, the classic records edition and the remix( we won’t talk about that lol) and this is withought a doubt the most perfect edition. So quiet, detailed and dynamic. I can’t wait for the next Genesis releases if this is any indication. More then meets my expectations.
Hi Derek,
I loved hearing your comments on this pressing. It's really remarkable how much better it is than any other edition. I have only heard one of those remixes and did not like it at all. It baffles me that some prefer them! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Stay tuned for The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, coming very soon!
The vocal are definitely more natural, but there is something about the remix I prefer. It has drive and punch. I’m not usually a remix guy but the original mix on this album is a bit tame
@@jackiepuppet9289 The remix does have some fans, but I can't personally say anything about it. I will try to hear it and make a comment.
I don't think this new version is lacking drive and punch!
Perhaps not the whole album but Moonlit Knight (my favorite from the album)has more drive and emotion on the remix to me. Listen to when the chorus interjects around 3:45 right before “there’s a fat old lady outside the saloon”. That hits me more on the remix. That’s just me though
That's one of my favorite parts. I'll have to hear what you're talking about. I actually almost mentioned that exact moment in my review because it did stand out as an improvement as well.
Hi Scott, wow...what a great review, the passion you have clearly shines through. My copy is on order and I can’t wait. This is my favourite Genesis album and as a Brit, you are totally right, it’s a very British work. Seriously considering the Lamb now. Thank you for great insights Graham 🙏🙏
Hi Graham!
Thanks for your comment. I couldn't wait to do this review as it's one of my favorite albums. You're sure to love this release. I'm glad you understood my British reference wasn't meant disparagingly! As a kid growing up in New Hampshire , I had little exposure to anyone from England, so hearing Gabriel emphasizing the accents and using words and phrases that were distinctly British was just something we had never heard before, particularly in a rock record!
Great job as usual Scott! I cannot wait to get my copy! Soon I hope along with my own UHQR Aja copy!
Thanks Oz,
That will be great for you to spend some more time with Aja. And I can't imagine any why you won't love the new Genesis. Leaps over all the 33s in my opinion.
Hi Scott.
I had been planning to pass on this round of the Atlantic 75 series. Actually there are only a handful I plan to buy. As far as this LP goes, I am not a huge fan of Phil Collins or Genesis for that matter. I used to like Genesis far more when I was in College. In fact a friend lent me the album and I had a 7 1/2" IPS Dolby B recording I made on my open reel tape deck. Your enthusiastic review made me recall what a sonic spectacular that LP was. I remember hearing some, but not all, of the various details and sonic attributes you described. I had a very good system for a college student, but my system now is far more discerning. Two thirds of the way through your review I hit pause and I was off to the Acoustic Sounds Website to order my copy of the LP. I can't wait to hear how this sonic masterpiece sounds on my system.
Hi Jim!
Oh boy, I think you will fall in love with this one all over again. You know when I can't hide my excitement for something. This is one that is truly a big step up in SQ from anything we've had before. To hear it on today's audiophile oriented systems is just a pleasure. Can't wait to hear what you think.
@@ThePressingMatters That was what sold me: your gushing enthusiasm. I was not a Genesis fan until 1975 when I met someone who was all in on Genesis. We traded LP's to try out, this Genesis LP for one of my Robin Trower LPs. After seeing your review my memory started coming back. You did a great job describing the sonic attributes. My copy arrives Saturday together with the Wes Montgomery Complete Full House Recordings. I seem to be unable to pass up the free shipping you get when spending $100.
@jfm0830 I hope it meets your expectations and then some. Make sure you get some power on those climaxes in Firth of Fifth and Cinema Show!
@@ThePressingMatters Hey Scott. I hate this time of year and what it does to deliveries. I had 4 different delivery dates & FedEX missed all of them until today (Tuesday 11/21). Arrrgh. I ultrasonically cleaned the record and started to play it. It was the perfect pressing: Dead quiet, dead flat & dead centered. The stylus landed in the lead in groove and then total silence between tracks until the needle lifted from the runout groove. Amazing and I had it cranked up. My observations are like yours. One of the first things that blew me away was the 3D soundstage. It was like a quarter of a sphere, not unlike The Hatch Shell in Boston the the BSO and the Pops play. I heard things directly 180 deg. to my left and right about 12' away. At times the soundstage seemed to float up to 12' off the floor. There were a ton of details that I never remember hearing like this or at all. The instruments all had a sense of clarity and air around them like they were floating in space. The instruments were highly realistic sounding.
I was amazed at the bass. At times I felt the deep bass rather than hear it. The two mid-woofers on each of my towers were visible fluttering from the deep bass. This was NOT rumble from the record surface or acoustic feed back, I have an isolation stand that I know prevents this. This only occurred during the deepest bass passages. I could also see my sub-woofer cone in motion at times. It is rare that there is enough bass that I can see the subs from 10' away. They are usually working but no visible vibration except certain passages on classical music. It was amazing how this LP could transition from LOUD, BOMBASTIC climaxes to soft and gentle passages. The instruments were clearly discernible at both loudness levels. I will have to measure the dynamic of this LP with my SPL meter.
This album is so amazing that I did two things upon first listen. The first was to cue the LP up for a second play. The second was to go to the Acoustic Sounds website and ordered "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" and "A Trick of the Tail" LPs from the Atlantic 75 series. Thanks Scott for your "enthusiastic" (polite was of saying "gushing") review. I am taking a new look at what is being issued on this series. I was passing on a lot of these titles, because the ones I'd want I have. The versions I own have very good sound, maybe not the best but up there. I will now have to rethink this based on how good this Genesis LP is. I have never heard it sound close to this quality. For example I have MoFi's of Foreigner, the Yes Fragile One Step and the Steven Wilson Yes Box. I will be interested to see reviews comparing these releases.
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Jim, I love your descriptions of your experience with this amazing record. I can just imagine how you felt hearing it like this! I'm so thrilled with this reissue. There is so much here to keep you going back again and again. I'm so glad you liked my recommendation. I was really hoping you'd see this review and give it a try. I know when I rave about something it better be darn good. Several people said that my review sold them on it, and I'm grateful that you took the time to share your experience here in the comments.
I watched your vid a month or so ago when you couldn’t contain your excitement for AP doing the Genesis records for Atlantic. I pre ordered all except the pop,1980’s records . I may get those later ….
Thank you for the recommendation
Anthony, thanks for watching both of those videos. It's impossible to contain my excitement and I'm glad it shows! They came out of the gate with a winner! This release, being such a lengthy recording was crying out for the 45 treatment. The shorter sides made a huge difference overall. Let me know once you've heard it!
Hello, I am from Italy and my english is less than basic, but I found your post very interesting, competent and full of lovely passion. I'll be a follower of yours.
Thanks a lot!
Luigi
Hi Luigi! Welcome to my channel. My Italian is not so good either :-)
I'm happy you enjoyed this video. It was easy to be passionate about this record. I absolutely love it. Thanks for subscribing!
Hi Scott,
I happen to own a Classic Records Test Pressing of Selling England by the Pound on Clear Vinyl @45 Rpm i bought many moons ago.
Classic Records only made 34 Test Pressings of this LP and i was lucky to get one of those copies.
I wonder if it's in the same family of stampers as what was used etc in this New version?
I dont have the New SEBTP, but I'll have to order one to compare. I also have Classic Records Test Pressing of Foxtrot and Lamb. I don't believe i have Nursery, or Live. I do have Peter Gabriel 1st and other artist
Hi!
Thanks for your comments. How lucky you are to have the test pressing! Very rare indeed. I did not know it was on clear vinyl, interesting. It should share the same plates as the new one with the exception of Side Two which was recut recently by Chris Bellman. I'm sure you'll enjoy the new release if you go for it. It's probably much quieter overall than the Classic, and that really helps this album come to life.
well, i ordered it yesterday, i love this lp but my copy is beat up in my collection so i am excited to hear it! thanks for the research!
You're welcome! You are going to be astonished! Beautiful release. Let me know what you think once you've heard it!
I am SO happy I stumbled onto your YT channel. The number of albums that I have bought that are pure c*ap pressings lately (Chantal Chmaberland-Tempatation-Evosound comes to mind)has almost caused me to quit buying vinyl and stick with SACD or downloads. I have bought and been very happy with Analogue Productions and that has been what has kept me in the game. Now, I have a place to go to where I can find who is pressing good vinyl and where to buy it. I just added Selling England by the Pound to my wishlist there. Thank you!!!!!
Excellent! I will guide you as best I can. I hate crap vinyl! Only the best here. Please subscribe and you'll start loving your vinyl much more!
Selling England guaranteed to blow your mind!
@@ThePressingMatters Subscribed and have been to your Amazon store. You are stuck with me now.
@@ThePressingMatters It is now on my shopping cart! TY.
Thanks! It's so fascinating to hear comments on these new records. I don't think I could deal with the constant side-flipping of the new editions, but it's great to know somebody cares & also that the master tapes have held up well. I have to admit I haven't listened to my Charisma LP (German import pressing) since I bought the SACD. The surround mix is terrific! *Selling England* is perhaps an "almost" concept album. It's a comment on 20th century consumerism except for "Firth of Fifth" & "More Fool Me" which don't seem to fit.
The flips on this really didn't bother me. The sides still click in an average of 13 mins a side and the breaks thankfully don't affect any obvious continuity of split a song.
I don't have much experience with Genesis, although I recently listened to Nursery Crime and loved it. I'm glad you love this reissue
I hope you can get these fairly reasonably up there in Canada. Surely they'll be a few that are must haves. I skipped most of the first and second batch but had to have this. Hope you can hear it sometime. If you like Nursery Cryme, you will love SEBTP!
This was a marvelous review Scott you went in depth each section and hands down my favorite Genesis song Firth and the Fifth I’m definitely sold on grabbing this one to compare to my German original.
Thank you my friend. It's an album I know like the back of my hand, so it was easy for me to elaborate on my favorite sections. I'm so glad you are persuaded to get this. It's worth the bucks just for Fifth of Firth alone! My favorite reissue this year.
A clean German might be stiff competition for the other pressings I have shown, but I bet this is going to blow you away.
You've got to come back and let me know what you thought of this one you've heard it. Stay onboard for the next one, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway!
@@ThePressingMatters yes Scott I just received the Phil Collins Face Value and I was blown away by “In The Air Tonight” the Lamb is on my list to grab and some jazz titles like the Mingus and Giant Steps by John Coltrane .
@@MrLovell1971I'm still on the fence with Phil. Need to decide soon.
Ok, you've convinced me, I already have 3 copies of this, might as well get another!
Hi Jason! You obviously must love the record! You're like me, three copies already, did I really need this? The answer is yes! It's a significant improvement, and just a delight to hear it in this quality. If you do go for it, please come back and comment. With so many copies, your insights will be valuable to all of us.
Brilliant review! You describe this album in exactly the way I hear it. I have an early repress and the classic records version. So looking forward to the new AP copy which I will get in the next few days and ´The Lamb´ which will follow on later.
Thank you! I think you'll be as impressed as I was with how much deeper you'll feel this music. It's quite extraordinary. Please come back and let me know your thoughts on it!
Great review Scott.
I'm so glad - I have this ordered and it's very expensive here (Europe). I hummed and hawed and then listened to it again (I too have the classic 33) and went for it. I love the lyrics on this album; very clever. A desert island disk.
Hi Stephen,
I know it's expensive to get it there but if it's any consolation, if the situation was reversed and I had been able to hear what I heard with this pressing, I'd pay $100 to import it from the UK. It's that good and important to me. If it's a desert island disc for you, I say go for it.
Yo Mr Pressing Matters…
Nice!! If someone was on the fence about this one I’m sure this will/may persuade them. Let’s hope this rolls over into all the Genesis reissues. Ttyl.
John D
Was I enthusiastic :-)
I couldn't help it. My favorite Genesis album. Thanks so much for watching!
I've been on the fence about buying this release. I have the copy the came with the 1970-1975 boxset and I always thought that was better than 1980 re-release I had had since I was young. But, after hearing your review, I was getting goosebumps thinking about Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, etc., etc. It's on my Christmas list now. And if no one buys it for me, I'm sure I'll pick it soon after!
That would be a most excellent gift for yourself! It frankly left other copies behind in overall immersion, dynamics, etc. it shows how restricted the original 33 really is with those lengthy sides. This gives you everything you love in a more relaxed, open way with less distortion, more impact and natural tone. If you get it I'd love to hear how it affected you!
Hey Scott!!! I LOVE this review. I heard Patrick's (PEEBBTHHAL'S) live stream and I flipped out.
As a massive Genesis/Tony Banks fan I just had to grab it.
I had the Classic Records of Selling England and The Lamb and I hoping this will meet my expectations which I suspect it will but honestly, I think the
"remix" is truly phenomenal. BUT?? for old times sake I truly can't wait for this double 45rpm version.
Thank you so sooo much for this and I TRULY can't wait for your review for The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and YES I have pre-ordered that as well.
Blessings!!
Hi Darrin! Glad you got excited! You should be! This is an amazing release that I'm sure is going to exceed your expectations.
Steve, amazing review !! wow, so passionate and so insightful. Thank you !
Sorry, I meant Scott !! typed too fast 🙂 my apologies
Thank you so much. Many have mistakenly called me Steve! I must look like one :-)
Glad you enjoyed the video. I love the album so much, it was not difficult to let it show! A great impressive effort by Analogue Productions. We Genesis fans are in for a ride. Stay tuned!
Great review . Hope I agree with you when I get my copy . I can't wait to compare this to my UK Porky 1st press ( better than the UK 75 release ) . I hope the shimmering , magical sound of that release is present and enhanced on this release . I ordered all the 70's Genesis releases on the first day . Christmas has come early .
Hi Peter,
You probably have the gold standard there and I wish o could have heard it, but I feel pretty confident that as good as the originals and early pressings are, all the 33s suffer in comparison to spreading this out on four sides. If ever there was a record to demonstrate that it's this one. In a totally different league to the Classic 33, cut at the same time by the same engineer. I think you are going to like it.
Great review Scott! I should have mine next week from a Canadian supplier and I cannot wait. Cheers
Excellent! You have no idea (well maybe a little now!) what your in for. Get ready for an awe inspiring experience. Please come back and leave your comments here!
@@ThePressingMatters I got my copy yesterday and I must say it is fabulous! When this album was released in 1973, I was 10 years old so Genesis were not on my radar at that age. I started to follow them when around Duke and beyond. I am looking forward to getting all of these AP Genesis releases (combo of vinyl/SACD) in the months and years ahead! Cheers
@@LifelongMusicJunkie I'm thinking of trying the SACDs of the Genesis titles too. SACD is relatively new to me. I have a unit here on loan and I want to see if I feel SACD can reach the potential of the vinyl. Wouldn't it be nice to spend $35 rather than $60 and get the same sound or better!
What is your experience when comparing the same title on both formats?
@@ThePressingMatters I bought my SACD player in the Spring and I am trying to not duplicate, but to choose titles as alternates. The exception is The Eagles from Mofi, I have all One-Steps and all SACDs. The One-Steps are better but the SACD's are solid and I opt for those when I am busy with work around the house so no flipping records. I am opting for the Steely Dan SACDs as opposed to the UHQR's, except for Aja. So being selective is my plan, saving me in the end (of course the player cost $$$) 😄
@wdb-Music-Motorcycles Yeah they are pricy. The one I'm using is a Marantz multi format player - seems more geared to AV use yet it does do SACD, DVD Audio, CD and more. Probably not audiophile but it just Sloan to see if I would enjoy stepping back into digital for an alternative.
I received mine today 13/12/23 , compared it to my 2018 Rhino reissue, and it has more minute detail , close though the 2018 doesn't disgrace itself, but the packaging is superb, laminated gatefold, antistatic inners a insert explaining the 75 anniversary and a advertising sheet , it's a very impressive release, pressed in usa , will i buy anymore ? I don't know, they are expensive but at least i can say i have it .
Trick Of Tail of a Tail is my go-to . The MoFi pressing is very good. I'm going to listen to tonight
I absolutely love Trick of the Tail. I talk quite a bit about it in this overview and favorably discuss the MOFI.
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No offense but the Mofi Trick suks. Sorry. Try the 1st gen cd and be amazed.
@emilestoffels4268 No offense taken. all opinions are welcome here. That is a release I haven't extensively compared to anything. I'll look for the first CD, as I've heard numerous times it's the best digital version. For vinyl, I don't feel a need to search now with this coming eventually. I'm sure the original UK and Japan are very good.
Good evenings, I’m from Montreal, Canada. I’m so looking forward receiving my copy of SEBTP. It’s one of my favorite Genesis album !!
45rpm, Acoustic Sounds, Bernie Grundman WOW
You're going to love it! It's actually Chris Bellman!
It was originally announced that Bernie would do a new remaster, but it was decided to go back to the Classic plates. I'm sure it was felt this would offer the best fidelity.
Bernard, please promise me you'll come back to the comments to share your thoughts on this once you've heard it.
Great video, Scott! Just one question, is this justifiably worth an upgrade if I've already got the 33 Classic? I've been on the fence about ordering this one and Lamb...
Thank you Ryan. For Selling England, it is absolutely worth it in my opinion. You'll definitely hear an improvement. The great moments are even greater. If it is at all a favorite, don't hesitate.
For The Lamb, it's very good but so is the Classic and four records are a bit much to flip. It's also very expensive. The jacket is cool. I would get SEBTP as soon as you can, and if you love it, and you are a super fan of TLLDOB, save up for that too. I am not as keen on The Lamb because of its different vibe and weak spots. The top moments are great of course. You can see my review if it as well.
Scott, often with "audiophile" pressings, at least on my system, while there is clarity, perhaps less distortion, etc, there is loss of immediacy, palpability, that I don't get compared to an OG. With an OG, I feel like I'm in a time machine being a fly on the wall of the recording studio. No matter who does the modern mastering RKS, BG, KPG, etc, they all seem to be limited by the age of the tapes - even during Classic Records era. In fact I've been more than happy selling most of my "audiophile" reissues in favor of getting the best/better OGs for that reason. I'm wondering if that aspect important to you or is the clarity and how its emphasized in your system may be more fun with the reissue vs. any feeling of "freshness" of the OGs? .
Hi,
I understand what you are saying and I'll try and explain how I see this.
I feel it's always a case by case basis. What I am most seeking is the best SQ, but also the quietest pressings that often come with reissues. Yes if one cares to search and find the elusive original that happens to also be quiet, thats great. But how often does that happen and how many originals did you have to purchase to find the one. I'm just not up to that any more. Give me a well done reissue such as this one and I'm thrilled. Same with the Tone Poets, Craft etc. I'm not looking for more detail, but a nice balance of quality recording, balanced mastering and impeccable pressing. I don't lose sleep over the crackly shaded dog that had a touch more bloom than the very fine AP reissue. I am just too sensitive to noisy pressings, so I prefer new records. I'm very selective. Top engineers, pressing plants and sourcing. A nice jacket and I'm happy. A mind blowing upgrade and I'm ecstatic. That's how o feel about SEBTP. It has everything I'm looking for. Same could be said for the AJA UHQR. One could easily sift through half a dozen OGs and spend the same amount as the UHQR. At some point it's good enough. In these two cases it's better in my opinion.
Thanks for your detailed response. It's helpful understanding the essence behind your reviews. I have the classic version of that record and a US first press and so appreciate the review.
@@HoomanR17 You're welcome! I am always open to hearing the best original and if I don't have it, I can try and borrow it for these shootouts or comparisons. I think it's very important to have a reference.
Hi Scott still waiting for my one to arrive in the UK but now can't 😁. The classic 45 only made it to test pressing on single sided LP's . Keep up the good work , the lamb lies down is the next release 👍
Hi Tony,
It is amazing that these never came out on Classic, but here we are! A gift for us Genesis fans.
@@ThePressingMattersmine has arrived and what a masterpiece 🎉🎉
@@tonynewman1694 Awesome! I told ya!
Fantastic release, so glad you're thrilled with it! Thank you so much for getting back to me and everyone reading the comments for opinions. Seems everyone is impressed!
I always thought that squeezing over 50 minutes of music on two sides of 33 rpm vinyl was overdoing it and risking limiting audio fidelity. Spreading the audio over four sides at 45 rpm, must give much better results.
Hi Dave, this was the issue with all 33rpms of this record. Where an ideal length for fidelity is 18-20 minutes this record really pushed it and it's a miracle the original sounded as good as it did. When you hear it at 45 with all that space, it's dramatically better.
I love your review Scott, great detail and very well presented. I noticed the hype sticker states Mastered from the original analog tapes or "best available source". I knew this of course before the production started but I thought each hype sticker would have been specific for each release instead of either/or. Do we know if the SEBTP 2-inch master tapes exist?
Thank you so much!
Well this is a very good question because even though the Classic Records plates were used, Bellman recut side two from the original tape. Why this is we don't know. Was plate two damaged for some reason? Missing? If so why wasn't the whole record recut of the tape was available? Perhaps it was completely recut, but it was found the plates sounded better except for side two. I wish I had more info but this is a question for Chad or Bellman. I'll reach out and see if I can get an answer.
that would be great to find out the process they used, and going forward I hope they are a bit more forthcoming. At the end of the day, I'm so happy with what they did do that maybe it doesn't matter, but still, it would be nice to know. @@ThePressingMatters
It sounds like a fantastic re-recording. Genesis needs the mid-range and bass clarity for their nuance. 'In the room presence' would be wonderful with Peter's vocals. Sounds exciting. Phil's subtly on display! btw.....it is 'Firth of Fifth' as in the estuary (firth) of the (imaginary) Fifth River. Looking forward to hearing Steve's solo and those dramatic bass passages that were so great. As interesting as Peter's voicings are on 'Battle', it is the music I like best. So this should be wonderful (though not my fav). 'Cinema Show' always is great.....and such a fine closer for a great album. Thanks.
I think you are going to love this pressing. Please let me know when you've heard it! I now know it's Firth of Fifth but yours was the first explanation of what it refers to! Thank you for your comment and stay tuned for The Lamb 45. Just landed today. Review coming soon.
@@ThePressingMatters Dang. And I just a couple months ago replaced my old warped vinyl copy with a German printing. I LOVE the the lamb album. It was my entry into Genesis. Kurt and I played it endlessly back in the '70s. I decided during COVID to sit down and try to truly understand what it was that Gabriel was saying. It took me literally months of piecing ideas together, but I think I finally have a (semi) coherent understanding and it is not a nightmare. In fact, I just finished an essay about it and am trying to get a copy to Peter for his review. Finding an address has not been easy. My emails to his studio have gone unanswered. However I have contacted both Phil and Steve with Hackett actually reading it. He graciously said nice things about it.
@rk41gator That is so cool! Listening to it (45) right now trying to come to some conclusions regarding sound. The story I will leave to you and Peter!
Since I wrote this our turntable went into the shop so I did not open my 'new' recording. However, I noticed that the German release was of the 2008 re-mix. I have since returned that copy. My record store will not have the Atlantic 75 release until next month, but am definitely getting on the waiting list.
@@rk41gator it's worth the wait. Good call on returning the remix. It's a travesty how loud everything is on the remix. All the delicacy gone. You're going to love the 45. Let me know!
What about the tape edit/drop out during the intro section of Moonlit Knight some are talking about on Hoffman forum?
It's there, perhaps a tape edit, by honestly it's so minor, I missed it on the few listens I had as I was doing the lead up to the review. I don't think it's of much consequence considering everything else. The positives are overwhelming compared to a tape millisecond that most would never be aware of unless looking for it. Don't let this deter you if you are interested in this magnificent edition.
Another nice review Scott. This album has always been kind of frustrating to me. Side One is so brilliant in its entirety, culminating with the stunning Firth of Fifth, and then things kind of fall apart somewhat with Side Two's opening track - the overly busy/wordy The Battle of Epping forest. Very curious to know if you have subscribed to the entire Atlantic 75th series or if you are picking and choosing favorite titles?
Hi Micheal, thank you for your comment. I have to say I used to feel the same about Battle of Epping Forest. Because although it's the same song obviously, I never have appreciated it as much as how I heard it here. It's taken on a new dimension, more so in the music having more interest and impact but also the vocal. It's admittedly not reaching the emotional heights of Firth of Firtg and Cinema Show, but I think its stature just increased immeasurably. I hope you can hear this version at some point.
I did not subscribe, though I'd love to, it's just too much money. I'm content with about 20 -25 preordered and I'll go from there. Thanks so much for watching!
I actually have the new pressing, I just haven't got to listen to it yet. Life's been getting in the way of playtime. I mulled over a subscription but there are just too many artists included in the series that I'm A.) Unfamiliar with or B.) Have a mild interest (at best) to warrant plopping down $60 + shipping per release to with the hope that I might like it. @@ThePressingMatters
Ahh😢, too expensive for student like me
Drop Scott a line - I think this can be rectified
Hi @chuin10,
One of my viewers contacted me, and he had seen your comment about not being able to afford a copy of this record. He expressed a desire to send you a copy! If you leave your contact information at my email, I'll forward it to him so he can contact you.
My email is sw. thepressingmatters@gmail.com
No Taurus on this record. It was a set called Dewtron mr bassman pedals.
Thanks for the correction! I love the effect.
Hi Scott. Great review! Did you choke up a bit while describing Firth of Fifth? That's passion. Can't wait for my copy to arrive.
BTW - It's Firth of Fifth, not Fifth of Firth :)
Yes I did, and that was just from memory. Wait til you hear it for yourself. You'll be speechless! Yes I've got the title correct now. I've been saying it backwards for years!
Anyone know when A Trick Of The Tail is going to be out? MusicDirect is sketchy on the details of the timing of these ATCO 75 releases.
I think it's one of the last titles if I recall correctly. Could be two years?
@@ThePressingMatters thanks, wow, I preordered too. Should have just waited but FOMO kicked in. 🤷🏻♂️
@KoolKatDave Trust me you DONT want to miss that one! I ordered it in the first hour of the announcement!
@@ThePressingMatters nice, thank you.
Seems like Ill be getting this one then! Its the main one I really saw potential in besides the new Tail cut but maybe theres a bit more hope for the others too now. Do you have Classic pressings of Foxtrot, Lamb and Cryme to compare with?
Hi Leon,
Yes I have all the Classics, and will compare to at least those if not originals. This one turned out so well. It needed the extra space, being such a long album. It's a great example of the advantages of 45.
Hi, great video. There is also a second variant of this 2023 reissue where side D has a different matrix with the CB initials just like on side B. Do you happen to know anything about this?
Thank you for your comment!
Yes, that came to light after this video was made. I've followed along with it and it may have been done due to an issue with the original plate. I don't hear any issues with this side on my set with the original plate, so something must have come up after the first batch was pressed. From what I gather, the new cut sounds fine and in keeping with the sound across all the sides.it will be interesting if one ends up being preferred. Nevertheless, I wouldn't let this deter you from getting the record. It's quite a leap in sound quality.
@@ThePressingMatters This is my dilemma now, as I can go to the store and get the other variant. Yeah, which one will people prefer?
It seems I got the first variant then, : FC-6060-B2-45 on side D's matrix, without the CB initials. Is that correct?
The other one is: APA-002-45-D CB
Side C is slightly different too: FC-6060-B1-45 SM#1 APA 002-45 C
Why the SM#1 etc.?
Is this something AP won't reveal because of an error/bad cause, or do anyone know?
@@ThePressingMatters Instead of thinking too much about this, I went and bought the other variant as well.
I've been wanting a back up copy so I might do the same!
Scott what a lovely video! Couldn't agree more about the status of this masterpiece. With regards to the Atl 45 rpm, I heard lots of copies: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Blue Hatters, Small Hatters, Large Hatters, from EU, US, UK and what not. I always came back to the German Large man hatter (NOT the Virgin green/red labels which has a wrong stereo balans inclined to the right). My German copy is even better that the classic records 33 rpm. Just saying. Perhaps you can check that one out once? Will be quite interesting. Anyway in the meantime I'll order the ATL 45 rpm. Oh btw, in your video I believe you consequently reversed the title of "Firth of Fifth". It's because of the emotions I'm sure (ghe ghe).
I plan to track down that German pressing because several people have mentioned it as a good one. As far as Firth of Fifth. I can't believe I have been saying it incorrectly for years and no one has corrected me. I guess making that error on a public forum was the answer! Lol. I have no idea what it refers to. I figured it was something like the Fifth Duke of Firth or something very British! So I now stand corrected!
@@ThePressingMatters About the Battle of Epping Forest: quite a few Genesis fans have problems with that piece. I really don't understand that. It's about gangs in England visualized in almost a radio play setting. It's f*8@% brilliant! It's a real masterpiece. Too English? Too Gabriel heavy? Who cares, it's art with an A. It reminds me of the Gangs of NY movie.
@@emilestoffels4268 The genius the song really come through perfectly on the new pressing. Lots of subtle things happening within the music are simoly easier to discern and appreciate. Then there's Peter! What a fun piece.
How were the dynamics and the emotional impacted
Hi Micheal. I'll put it this way. Waves of pleasure, hair standing on end, tactile goosebumps on your skin, and lump in your throat and a strong emotional response that is a combination of giddiness and tears of joy!
The dynamic range is perfect. Play it loud!
Hi Scott. Does your copy have the dropout on Side 1?
It's when he sings 'drowned' on the intro to Moonlight Knight.
It's not on the Classic 33.
Great Review!
Thank you,
You know I just started reading about people hearing a dropout or a tape splice at that point, and to be honest I did not notice it when doing this video. There must be something to it so I promise I'll check it and get back to you here as soon as possible
I'm a long-time friend of Oz's, by the way. I'm not that familiar with the album, but a couple of questions have come up. 1) Whether the 45rpm format works for this album as a few have pointed out that there's a side flip at an inopportune time. 2) There's an audible tape dropout.
What do you think?
Nice to hear from you Jeff. This is my thought on it.
There is a small dropout or tape issue. In my opinion it is so insignificant, I don't think most would notice it. It should in no way deter someone interested in this from going forward.
I found the side breaks on this album unobtrusive. No longer composition is split.
Also I didn't find any sound difference in the newly cut side 2 of any concern.
The record sounds glorious to me.
Thanks Scott. Very helpful.
Hi Scott , have you got a link to your analogue set-up? Love your channel (I discovered today)😊 a Genesis FAN🥰
Hi and welcome to the channel! So glad you found me 😊
My system used for any evaluation is listed in the description box of each video. I also have done some system update videos, here is the last one:
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So glad you'll be joining me for my look through all the Genesis titles coming. Please subscribe so you don't miss anything! I'm working on The Lamb 45 as we speak, listening through and doing some comparisons.
My current analogue system is the Hana ML, on the Basis 1400 turntable with a Rega RB300 Tonearm with a wiring upgrade. Here you can see the turntable a bit better
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@@ThePressingMatters Thank you😊!
So, bottom line, Scott... do you recommend this pressing or is it a pass?
Thank you for another fantastic review. You never oversell a pressing and you never let your enthusiasm for a favorite recording cloud your judgment of the particular version you're reviewing.
That's why we can be super confident when you give a record such a glowing, unconditionally great review that this is a must-buy. I've never regretted buying something you've strongly recommended, so I am quite comfortable now placing my order for Selling England by the £.
Thanks again and take care.
Yes I can easily give this one my blessing LOL.
Seriously, you know me, my taste, my system, my listening preferences and style in delivering information on my channel. I'm always cautious in how I say something and leave some leeway for variables. I'm really happy my suggestions have been on point! I know enough about you too from our back and forth over ghe last few years, and I was hoping you would show up in the comments so I could personally say to you. Get it! Don't miss it! You're going to love it!
You know it's good when I get like I did in the video. Had I played Firth of Fifth right before filming I probably would have been a bit shaken emotionally and looking completely insane!
@@ThePressingMatters Wow. You weren't lyin'. This record sounds beautiful and perfect. Listening to this 2x45 QRP pressing on my stereo is an amazing experience. A completely different experience than listening to the CD or streaming. I'm hearing things in the music I've never heard before. And really digging the music more than I ever have before.
A great purchase. Thanks again for the solid recommendation.
Hope you are well.
Ron C
Hi Ron!
I try and report things exactly as I hear them. You can tell when I'm very excited that something special is under review. This is one of those records. Glad you found my recommendation spot on. It's so good, I want a back up copy lol!
Just received it and the doors la women
Wow, that's one of the best Doors reissues! I assume you mean the 45?
You're going to be in audio heaven today!
@ThePressingMatters it is the 45 and waiting for the lamb and when the trick of the tail is released I will also get the doors 45
@@ThePressingMatters I sent some pics on your Instagram
Come back and let me know what you thought of Genesis, and LA Woman.
Adjust the volume a bit higher than normal!
@ThePressingMatters I have a pair of klipschorns powered by a dynaco st-70
The klipschorns are 104 db efficient so I will let my neighbors enjoy it to !
Do they do represses, It's sold out and scalpers are dealing.
Yes they will repress it as far as I know. They do seem to be using the previous plates as far as they are viable, and then recutting sides where necessary. I don't like this way of doing it because each pressing might sound different. The recut side I heard was fine, pretty much undetectable, but I'd rather they either have the whole album a consistent cut among all sides.
thanks for the response, and explanation. I'm definitely throwing down for these Genesis reissues.@@ThePressingMatters
@@xnyph8490 Either way, they are wonderful. Any fan would love these. Can't wait for the next ones!
One hundred percent!
@@ThePressingMatters
It sounds amazing once you get past moonlight. I thought there was something wrong and just realized it a really bad mix. After that it so good but moonlight is one of my favorite songs and just sounds sooooo bad compared to the rest of the album.
Do you think it sounds better on a different edition? I'll go back and compare that one track against my UK to see if I hear anything that you describe.
No low end, higher end are muted drums to low in the mix. Don’t think it’s the pressing think it’s the 2 track mix down. The rest of the tracks are great
You missed your calling. You should be reviewing bottles of wine.
I wish but I'm sober ;-)
Scott...it's "Firth of Fifth"...not "Fifth of Firth".
Is it!? If true I'm embarrassed that I never realized it. (Running to check my labels now, he he)
Thanks for the correction!
You are correct sir! I guess I've never heard anyone else speak the title before.
@@ThePressingMatters Not too worry Scott. Surprised with all those copies you never noticed it.
@@jgfergus Maybe I'm a bit dyslexic. I often transpose numbers and letters. Add in a few vision issues.
Glad to get it straight now!
This and Foxtrot are my favorite Genesis albums. Probably my two favorite 70s Prog Rock albums. I wasn’t really planning on dropping $60 to get another copy, but…. Yeah, after seeing your review I’m probably going to do it now.
@@Bondrkmz I can't imagine any reason you'd regret it. It's substantially better in every meaningful way. If it's a favorite, don't miss it.
Genesis ‘a little too British’ - sorry about that
No offense intended! When I was young and first listening to this album, the exaggerated British accents and phrases were so foreign to a kid who never left his hometown in NH. That's all I meant by that.
@@ThePressingMatters No offence taken :) I must admit that PG goes over the top with his mockney accent (given he was a posh boy).
Great sounding record. I just hate all the flipping. Destroys the flow of it.
Hi Charlie. I understand but I think these breaks are logically placed and personally didn't mind. The trade off was huge for me.
I guess you are going to be reluctant to get the 8 sided Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I might have feelings about that one!
Thank you because I have the 2017 edition and it has bass but everything else sounds bad! can you compare it to that?
I'm sorry, but I don't have the 2017. That's is a remix, and most people prefer the original mix. The Atlantic 75 gives you the original mix in the best fidelity possible. If you love this record you really should upgrade to this.
@@ThePressingMatters thank you! I ordered and my uncel from the us need to bring me. Couse shipping from the site to israel is 60 dollar!
I know that's crazy $$, but I can tell you I would have paid $125 for this if it had been marketed as a UHQR. It's that good!
@@ThePressingMatters wow i am so exided!