Bourdieu: Cultural Capital, the Love of Art & Hip Hop

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  • The sociologist Pierre Bourdieu was interested in how the organisation of culture and the social world around us could affect our individual view of the world. How we didn’t just pick the culture we liked, but in some ways culture picked us - made us more or less likely to act in certain ways.
    I look at Bourdieu’s ideas about cultural capital, social capital, and institutional capital, primarily through his book, the Love of Art.
    For Bourdieu, facts about the world could be measured, collected, and recorded; but they were also instinctively absorbed by us from a young age - they became subjectified into our own behaviour. He was interested in how these cultural and social phenomena tcouldhat connect us to the wider world. Our tastes, accents, styles of speaking, mannerisms, and values can be the product of our social environment and our own minds. He sought ‘the subjective dispositions within which these structures are actualized.’
    Our preferences in art, literature, or music are, in large part at least, determined by our social positions, our family’s exposure to specific cultural artefacts, our economic possibilities, or the interests of the faculty of the school we attend. In the most obvious sense, an American girl attending high school today is unlikely to enjoy 16th century Mongolian folk songs. But why is this? Why are our tastes often so uniform?
    Bourdieu’s answer is cultural capital.
    He saw that If we are bought up in an aristocratic family who’s friends and teachers all read the Homeric epics then we too are more likely to attach a value to that cultural artefact. If everyone tells us these stories are good as a child we are of course, more likely to value them because praise for reading them is a reward as powerful as any financial reward. Economic capital, like money, can be exchanged for other goods. And so too can cultural capital.
    Finally, I look at what this means for culture today, taking a Bourdieuan look at hip-hop and grime
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    Bourdieu, The Love of Art
    Bourdieu, Forms of Capital
    Bourdieu, Theory of Practice
    De Paor-Evans, A. The Intertextuality and Translations of Fine Art and Class in Hip-Hop Culture. Arts 2018, 7, 80.
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  • @ThenNow
    @ThenNow  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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  • @brunomarinheiro
    @brunomarinheiro 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The way you made a lot of knowledge accessible to many people is amazing. A very good beginning to understanding

  • @LogicGated
    @LogicGated ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The cultural capital that hip hop created for itself is astounding.

  • @hideyoshilacan66
    @hideyoshilacan66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This is nice to wake up to

  • @jemmanuel6674
    @jemmanuel6674 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Refreshing - there's usually minimal space for considering philosophy and Hip-Hop side by side. Thanks for generating a point of dialogue.

  • @TheCatiduso
    @TheCatiduso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This is really good! I might just pass my exam in social differences with content like this! Thank you for helping me grow my cultrual capital! ❤️

  • @08realkaka
    @08realkaka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow this was amazing, I almost cried ,you are so right with your analysis! Keep going man you are doing a great job :)

  • @cam9913
    @cam9913 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Found this channel because I needed easier understanding of Bourdieu, I'm very grateful now because this channel is the cultural capital I need right now.
    / Will probably binge watch everything if I can.

  • @jvb9553
    @jvb9553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Brilliant! Such a clear representation of Bourdieu's ideas. Important ideas.

  • @colegiffin3719
    @colegiffin3719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome video. The use of pictures and scenarios really helped with understanding a great deep theory of power. Your craftsmanship is incredible.

  • @wcropp1
    @wcropp1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You always do a great job balancing the pacing of your videos with the complexity level-I appreciate that they are not dumbed down, and that you don’t sound like you’re on meth. Keep up the great work, my friend-your videos are always a pleasant surprise.

  • @achraf-g-idrissi
    @achraf-g-idrissi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Great video as usual. Thank You
    Can you please do a video on something related to Edward Said. since your channel lately seems to have become oriented towards the Cultural Turn in the humanities and social Sciences, Said's understanding of Cultural Imperialism, Secular Humanism and the role of the Intellectual would be a great addition to our channel.
    Thank you once again

  • @joshnicholson6194
    @joshnicholson6194 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Excellent ideas as always. ;)

  • @rawdawg6914
    @rawdawg6914 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, i really enjoy your application of cultural capital to hip-hop especially!

  • @kingoftheatlas2172
    @kingoftheatlas2172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    massively underrated channel

  • @namesiiva
    @namesiiva 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for existing

  • @HxH2011DRA
    @HxH2011DRA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very well said. One of my favs from ya

  • @josephancion2190
    @josephancion2190 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Ok, mentioning hip-hop drew me to the video, I'll admit it. Even though I like Bourdieu, "hip-hop" was the factor that made me click on the notification.

    • @atheistcrusader1160
      @atheistcrusader1160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What made "hip-hop" attractive to you?

    • @TheIshuCool
      @TheIshuCool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@atheistcrusader1160 his cultural capital

  • @amanaskarizad
    @amanaskarizad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    very good briefing of the concept! Thanks

  • @jordanbeard1845
    @jordanbeard1845 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hello fellow Bimm students reading the comments while watching this

  • @hyperrealhank
    @hyperrealhank ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for introducing me to this

  • @yanabanana8322
    @yanabanana8322 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So good🤯

  • @andresjimenez8520
    @andresjimenez8520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hello, a few days ago I discovered your amazing channel and when i watched several videos that deal with the issues of social and economic systems, I wondered if you could make a video about the economic system and environmental degradation. ............................................... And if you could identify the fallacies in the issue, since many pro-system say that Capitalism will be able to solve these problems through innovation and that it was those countries where there were socialist systems where the natural environment was most contaminated and destroyed. Others argue that it is the opposite and others mention that it is necessary to overcome both systems since they are two sides of the same coin and it is necessary to understand the complexity of the problem outside the Eurocentric and Anglo-Saxon logic. ... . ......... I am currently in the sixth semester of POLITICAL SCIENCE and I have decided to investigate more on the topic of Climate Change, common resources, redistribution of natural resources, consumerism among others.
    My main concern lies in identifying that the dominant economic model (dominant paradigm) is based on an infinite linear growth in a planet of finite resources, which results in many phenomena such as: Hyper-consumption, a structural inequality where the richest they consume more resources, the inequality at international level where some countries are destined to be over-exploited and to be suppliers of raw materials for the development of others, the loss of biodiversity, extinction of species, scarcity of resources among many others. (These last phenomena worry me too since my dad is a biologist)
    That said, I consider that from the social sciences (Political Science Included) it is the duty to propose alternative systems that break with the dominant paradigm, both politically and economically and that allow a redistribution of resources, such as fair economic activities and consumption rational of them.

  • @meezanlmt
    @meezanlmt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

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  • @WillMcCartneyAI
    @WillMcCartneyAI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what a legend cheers mate

  • @kendallfromsdorf3415
    @kendallfromsdorf3415 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    beautiful video

  • @zodmorality
    @zodmorality 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow! wonderful!!!

  • @identiybodega
    @identiybodega ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done ...important thinker.

  • @andrzejmaranda3699
    @andrzejmaranda3699 ปีที่แล้ว

    Then & Now: this is VERY INTERESTING!

  • @CanadianRevolution27
    @CanadianRevolution27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    There’s a difference between listening to Hendrix for the first time today versus when he first started playing; it lies in the subjective experience and the uniqueness of the event in the moment of its arrival. This is the use-value of sociocultural capital from an ethical perspective.

    • @remotefaith
      @remotefaith ปีที่แล้ว

      How is that an ethical perspective

  • @baidawibai
    @baidawibai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a lover of hiphop this was a great watch.

    • @atheistcrusader1160
      @atheistcrusader1160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you love hip-hop?
      Personally, I think hip-hop is lame and meaningless but maybe I'm missing something
      Please enlighten me, or in a more "modern" way: show me d way

    • @baidawibai
      @baidawibai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@atheistcrusader1160 I love hip hop because it allowed the voiceless, poor urban youth, a platform to communicate to the rest of the world what was happening in their communities. It is also the genre that is responsible for a huge sector of technological advancement in music.

    • @atheistcrusader1160
      @atheistcrusader1160 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@baidawibai
      I disagree with the "technology advancement" part...
      And what do you think about mainstream hip-hop and what are the things you hate about it?

    • @sophiaatn5339
      @sophiaatn5339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@atheistcrusader1160 why does he have to explain his love for something after you just called it lame and meaningless? You clearly have your bias and are refuting his explanation anyways.

  • @ffioncampbell-davies5513
    @ffioncampbell-davies5513 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was about to be so anti at the begging of the video, I guess I was initially triggered by the first few minutes seeming very white centred and I struggled to relate, but how I was so so wrong… and it opened my mind and also broke through my own internal prejudices that I subjugate myself to subconiously… creating your own cultural capital is probably the most powerful solution I took from this video to help in my current socio economic challenges … thank you 🙏❤

  • @RubyOnyxx
    @RubyOnyxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:34 that music is beautiful

  • @inhumanhyena
    @inhumanhyena 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. What's the song you use?

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:50 - Cultural capital
    10:25 - Hip Hop

  • @johnarbuckle2619
    @johnarbuckle2619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sounds good, let's see...
    It was great.

  • @1spitfirepilot
    @1spitfirepilot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Excellent. Bourdiou is right, of course, on his main points. I'd add, though: (1) some art productions are actually richer than others: a third person account of cultural consumption can miss a key reason why Shakespeare survives better than, say, Dekker. (2) late capitalism is nihilistic. It often favours infantilism over complexity. It is thus the common enemy of Stormzy and Wagner. Some high modernism, appreciated by a minority, it is true, is more resistant to the culture industry than much of the cultural production aimed at both the middle and subordinated classes.

    • @rawdawg6914
      @rawdawg6914 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i take it you're not a fan of playboi carti :(

    • @chiara1228
      @chiara1228 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think it's a matter of perception. I realize you're using infantilism as something pejorative here, which I disagree with but that's not the point. But I think it depends on where you allow yourself to see and engage with the complexity of a work of art (or else). Some people would argue that Metal, hardcore, EDM, reggeton or hip-hop is not complex, when its richness and complexity have been demonstrated over and over again by scholars. It's not because it doesn't' speak to us, or that it's not relevant to our individual lives that it lacks complexity. :)

    • @Ikaros23
      @Ikaros23 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chiara1228 it’s the same with food. I think food is the field where Habitus/ class is most visible

  • @liamsibai2325
    @liamsibai2325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do a Bergson video

  • @simononeill941
    @simononeill941 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Then & Now, I like your videos. Would you be willing to share or sell your transcripts? I'm not sure how it would work - perhaps through patreon? Thanks Simon

    • @ThenNow
      @ThenNow  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They are all available for Patreons! Link to my Patreon under each video. Thanks :)

  • @Tfrne
    @Tfrne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is one of the only philosophy channels I know of that isn't vaguely alt-right, so thank you for that

  • @romanovrex
    @romanovrex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I wonder where this puts actual enjoyment, is any enjoyment of a piece of art a sort of placebo affect brought by cultural posturing, or is there a genuine experience of enjoyment which is innocent of status seeking? Perhaps there is no way of telling.

    • @vanakryptaaphrodisia1435
      @vanakryptaaphrodisia1435 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      According to those Post-structuralistical view, there is no actual/genuine enjoyment. Lots of pleasure/enjoyment have ontologically different roots. There are physiological pleasure as well as symbolical pleasure, and even some repressive, transgressive and excessive "enjoyment" called "Jouissance" by Jacques Lacan.(as in Masochistic enjoyment, that is actually perceived as pain)

    • @danwroy
      @danwroy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a completely stupid concept. Making a meal out of differences in taste between class groups.

  • @ioncozma9516
    @ioncozma9516 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what's the name of the song playing at 1:40?

  • @Skylark_Jones
    @Skylark_Jones ปีที่แล้ว

    While walking to work I was listening to this video, when you mentioned Homer I immediately thought you were talking about Homer Simpson!🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @laurenvonhuff
    @laurenvonhuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What music do you use?

  • @Frownlandia
    @Frownlandia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What makes Beethoven more respectable than LL Cool J? I can't speak to Beethoven, but I'm reminded of the phrase, "Deepest, bluest-my hat is like a shark's fin."

  • @hasidman3618
    @hasidman3618 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fucking love Bourdieu

  • @Senumunu
    @Senumunu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All universal access to culture through the public (government programs) is as such outside of the culture it proclaims to give access to. You can not force groups to exchange certain forms of capital. No matter how hard you try or how much equality you demand.

  • @drvp1997
    @drvp1997 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where are these parties where people are talking about Wagner?

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does this make Trump a weird form of culture capital? Specifically related to those who value the "spectacle" of politics?

  • @UncleBones19
    @UncleBones19 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who's here because they got an upcoming exam soon like me?😂

  • @tommyodonoghue5210
    @tommyodonoghue5210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    But in this age of the "individual" and the hyperconnectivity there is no boundary stopping any individual, from any strata of society, engaging in the works of Homer or learning, in-depth, about the paintings hanging in the National Gallery. If you hold a penchant for a specific element of cultural capital its never been more readily accessible. The world has never been so open, in regards information anyway. Bourdieu's theory might have seemed noteworthy 30/40 years ago but today it seems dated, no?

  • @watcher8582
    @watcher8582 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You didn't really explain how "cultural capital", like knowledge of Homer, is "exchanged" with the teacher. For sure, he'll like you more if you are knowledgable about that, so investing in being knowledgable about Homer is a thing. But to speak of exchange her seems like that's only done because speaking about capital was fashionable. The 'Cultural "Capital"' moreover appears to be much more fragile, fading away when not progressively renewed and handed down to the next generation in an active way that requires effort and time. That is, it appears Cultural Capital can't be created or acquired, it's just a matter of what one focuses on. Apart from my non-understanding of the notion, great and important video.

    • @rhysanger1399
      @rhysanger1399 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Watcher so true! It is an asset which must be constantly reproduced i.e. if we take fashion as an example, buying each new edition of i-D magazine or Vogue ensures you are up to date with all the latest cultural references and ensures anyone who is not up to date looses out on their cultural capital

    • @sebastiaankampers6651
      @sebastiaankampers6651 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He actually did explain how cultural caputal is exchanged, in the form of diploma's and certificates or other instiutionalized symbols.

  • @user-wl2xl5hm7k
    @user-wl2xl5hm7k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lewis: I like how much you emphasize Habermas’ ‘public sphere’ for democratic discussion/argumentation. The structure of YT is oppressive in how it gives power to YT channel users in discussion at the expense of other commenters. Though, on your last video you removed my 1st intellectual property abolition thread without notice to me. And you removed another comment in this video. So instead of immediately removing comments (or blocking users) from now on, I have a suggestion that you respond to each user with the same or similar following comment:
    “YT channel users can remove any comments and block other users from commenting for any reason. This is anti free speech and gives power to YT channel users at the expense of other users commenting on their channel. Your last comment _________, however I won’t immediately remove this comment. So instead I’m giving you until 24 hours from now to explain why I shouldn’t remove your last comment.
    (I’m also open to hearing explanations from anyone for why/how I should change this process)”
    Please let me know your thoughts. You could substitute “remove your comment” with “block you” or “remove your comment & block you” whenever it seems appropriate. It’s also important YT channels don’t ban any particular terms: *All terms can be ethically used in the right context* . It would be very beneficial for free speech & democracy on the internet if more channel users (& users/mods/platform holders on other sites) started conducting themselves like this.

  • @tuttoshithole
    @tuttoshithole ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I marry your voice?

  • @gaddyiii
    @gaddyiii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Comparing hip-hop to classical music is stupid, and it shows something sinister about this idea of cultural capital. Beethoven's music is more harmonically rich, musically interesting, and technically impressive than even the best hip hop in a very objective sense--to a degree much greater than non-musicians might assume.
    It is this focus on sociological value, then, that allows hip-hop to maintain it's status in comparison to the harmonically and, I would argue, emotionally more complicated Western art music. Don't get me wrong: hip hop can be great. The lyrical complexity of any hip hop classics puts the poetics of most classic opera to shame, and, even musically, there are some really stand-out works in, say, A Tribe Called Quest's use of samples or Kendrick's arrangements on *To Pimp a Butterfly*. But, what's really going on with hip hop's heightened position is not a wider understanding of its musical possibilities, but its accrual of cultural capital within mass culture.
    The problem is that this way of thinking doesn't really allow for music appreciation. Academic music now is fraught with the problems of relativist cultural pomp, with so many movements, revivals, and methods of composition, all with their varying degrees of waxing or waning relevance to this or that "cultural moment." Yet, not a single one of these works capture the slightest bit of attention from the culture at large. Why? Because, like early hip hop, musical composition is itself now subcultural. The idea of making an instrumental work of beauty that builds on the most advanced traditions of musical arrangement--this is now just something you may or may not be into. It might earn you some respect from other people who are into the same stuff, but it doesn't really have any bearing on the culture at large--unless classical music has a pop-cultural "moment" sometime soon.
    This leads to academic specialization and obscurantism--further isolating the cutting edge of musical composition from the culture at large. And, make no mistake, this is to the detriment of the culture. It is no coincidence that musicians and composers struggle to make a living, forced to focus on "building an audience" rather than proving their skills in their field.
    There are some analogies, here, to other fields, but I've already written waaay too much. I'm not a snob really, but I do think our culture of capital (cultural or otherwise) has some big problems, including aesthetic problems. If art's only value is to give a wink to its own in-group--if it provides nothing universal--then it cannot survive. If we cannot speak to universal values, then capital will prove itself to be our only universal value.

    • @edmontoraptor
      @edmontoraptor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I would have to disagree with you, sir. Yes, Beethoven's music is harmonically richer, but musical interest is subjective, and really depends on what you are interested in even listening to. How can you say Beethoven is more technically impressive when you are only taking into account a very narrow view of what technical skills a composer or musician should have? A good producer/composer today has mastery over mixing and mastering. They know how compression works, saturation, equalization, panning, reverb, distortion and a whole list of other audio effects work. They can turn one sound into a completely different sound in a very skillful and technically proficient manner. They can tell by just listening to a track what frequency bands are too exposed or not loud enough. They can situate each instrument within a virtual room and carve out a space in the mix for each instrument.
      Also you seem to have a problem that general audiences no longer care for classical or advanced instrumental music they "may or may not be into it". But general audiences have never cared for this. People weren't listening to Beethoven when he was alive, they would be dancing to gavottes, gigues, and galops. Plain old dance music (kind of like EDM and hip-hop), which by the way papa Bach wrote a lot of. Also back in those days composers were financially tethered to lords and barons who often dictated what they would like their court composers to write and perform. Musicians and composers have always struggled to make a living. At least today if you write the most obscure aleatoric, atonal, contrabassoon quartet, the entire world has the opportunity to view it and you're bound to attract at least a few interested souls (also called building an audience).
      It just seems to me that putting classical music on a pedestal is to remove it from its own historical and cultural context. In that way it makes it no different from how music today references the culture of our time and the ideas that we deem valuable. I mean Beethoven's Eroica symphony was literally going to be titled Bonaparte, extolling the virtues of what he saw in Napoleon before he declared himself Emperor. Today we listen to this symphony completely removed from the context in which it was written, yet it was also caught up in a "cultural moment". Classical music has the benefit of separating the wheat from the chaff (aka all the boring, lackluster classical pieces fallen into obscurity from the timeless gems). It seems unfair to look around and proclaim that none of this other music has anything of substance to say or any timeless expression of universal values when it hasn't even been given enough time to develop. What is hip-hop is continually changing, and just like how jazz used to be the "dangerous" pop music, that is now relegated to music conservatories, so too will hip-hop in the future.
      /nonsense rant from a composer

    • @nd5944
      @nd5944 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      19th C musical ontologies here aside, I think you're missing a crucial point of this vid- it's not necessarily a comparison between hip hop and Beethoven, it's suggesting that hip hop prevails partly because of a lack of accessibility to the cultural capital required for entry into a classical paradigm, which is gatekept behind culturally specific knowledge more readily available to those from higher socio economic backgrounds.
      Besides this, the standard by which you're judging hip hop as inferior to western art music is a standard derived FOR and FROM western art music. Obviously most popular music consumed in a western setting has tonal and harmonic roots in the common prac period. But to judge it by the same standards as Beethoven and decry its differences is to be ignorant of all of the incredibly finely honed skills that go into even the most 'mass culture' hip hop track. You mustn't be very familiar with production techniques or you would understand the deep analytical capabilities of people working on this music. I'm not judging Beethoven by his skills as a producer, so why are we judging a hip hop album by its Ursatz or Urlinie or voice leading or whatever? It's a completely different sport.

    • @gaddyiii
      @gaddyiii 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      N D A different sport! Exactly. The fear is harmonic mastery going the way of croquet or some other archaic game now seen as an athletic novelty. This is precisely the understanding I take issue with: that the entire study of composition could be considered one "sport" or "style" among many.
      It isn't: all music, Western or otherwise, exploits certain physical rules of harmony, and the Western tradition of counterpoint exploits them in the most complex way, using tension against and release towards natural harmony as a way to create an advanced harmonic grammar. Equal temperament added even further complexity to that tradition, allowing harmonic movement to follow similar structures between keys. These developments came from Western music not as a cultural trait that the West privileged over the traits of other cultures, but as a distinct technical advantage--something akin to a scientific discovery.
      99% of music the world over now uses Western methods of tuning and harmony--not because it was "derived for and from" the West, but because it works to provide a much richer harmonic grammar than other traditions ever had access to. Jazz, pop, modern world music, and hip hop are all reliant on this harmonic tradition. Voice leading, for example, is not a "different sport," but can be heard in all these genres--albeit with generically or culturally distinct variations.
      I'm not interested in the generically and culturally distinct characteristics that define the origins Western art music (though those can be interesting), but the universal aspirations of that harmonic system and its advanced practitioners. Hip hop is not an "inferior" art form, it is, as the commenter above admitted, less "harmonically rich"--its practitioners generally do not have aspirations to create new avenues of harmonic narrative or discovery. The lyrical storytelling can be great, and production certainly takes some skill, but what's it doing *musically*? Not generically or culturally, but how is it furthering our understanding of what combinations of tense and assonant intervals can fit together? Maybe it could develop to produce more and more harmonically complex compositions that present the Western tradition in a new light, as jazz did after some decades of development. But, that won't be possible if practitioners are concerned only with signifying culturally specific ideas of legitimacy.
      Both replies to my comment treat the entire tradition of harmony as an essentially cultural phenomenon--which was, historically, not what most cultures understood music to be. Music is primarily a physical phenomenon, with the structure of the physical creation determined by cultural conventions, yes, but also by universal physical laws and universal human psychological responses. My problem is not really with the Beethoven vs. Hip Hop in particular (I've definitely listened to more Hip Hop than Beethoven since that comment), but with the idea of cultural capital, which precludes any access to the universal. If there is only cultural currency and no universal understanding, then we are forever doomed to a meaningless rat race of cultural capitalists expressing attitudes in lieu of creating art.

    • @timquigley986
      @timquigley986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Snob

  • @DS-tz4lk
    @DS-tz4lk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    here’s the thing, i’m sure Bourdieu would have been interested in this angle of cultural and social capital inasmuch as from what it is accrued in our dismally sad sack neoliberal extractive distractive neocolonial capitalist social dominance hierarchy a.k.a. caste system America c/o colonialism .
    cultivating yourself into some stereotype minstrel show trope that validates a social dominance hierarchy, especially one that you’re in, will only let you accrue counterfeit cultural and social capital which ultimately hurts people like you because you’re perpetuating a stereotype by cultivating your identity into it so other people unlike you can be validated by it, a trope stereotype.
    if that’s the kind of cultural and social “capital” you want, just realize that you’re hurting all kinds of people especially those like you by cultivating your identity into it for extraction of value and that’s really kind of the lowest you can go.
    let’s just say Carlos Mencia didn’t have much of a career with his kick down “comedy”, did he?
    culturally you’ll find that leftist Latinos tend to shy away from these type of trope neocolonial based stereotypes unless they’re mocking each other which they do quite efficiently and quite often with ruthless precision. it’s part of the culture... social leveling constructs within Linguistics and other processes.

    • @Enzaio
      @Enzaio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The last part of your comment I can't say I understand, because I'm not from the US and don't know about Latino culture. But I'm curious if you think that, to take an example from the video, all people who grow up and feel at home in the UK grime culture, are 'cultivating themselves into some stereotype minstrel show'? There's no way they can be authentically part of that subculture, just because they like it?

    • @aaron2709
      @aaron2709 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Counterfeit" eh. There's that pesky "neoliberal extractive distractive neocolonial capitalist social dominance hierarchy" subjectivity again.

    • @BlakJetTek
      @BlakJetTek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      just say you hate black people and go

  • @africanhistory
    @africanhistory ปีที่แล้ว

    I find your Kung Fu rewarding. Why did you not just say African Diaspora? Do not santize reality. We are speaking about the children of the Atlantic slave trade. I would also add (I meaning me not you) as an African that it is strange that hip hop makes reference more to European culture but not to its own African culture as a point of concern.

  • @AnonosaurusRex1
    @AnonosaurusRex1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beethoven is more respectable than L.L. Cool J, for the same reason that John Coltrane is more respectable than Madonna.

  • @gop108
    @gop108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Images and ideas seem 70 years old 🙍🙍🙍

  • @franceslock1662
    @franceslock1662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Street art in Israel takes it to the next level.

  • @TheSeppel2012
    @TheSeppel2012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's so fucking creepy, this is the third time you're uploading a video with the EXACT same topic as my academic paper I'm writing on. Kinda ironic it's about Bourdieu tho.

  • @phi6277
    @phi6277 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why cant bro talk without having this rasping voice wtf be normal man

  • @johno5605
    @johno5605 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:35 blasphemy

  • @fallowfieldoutwest
    @fallowfieldoutwest 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For this socioligist to insinuate that the line between Cardi B and Franz Liszt is an arbitrary one I must concede to next level mental gymnastics

    • @Enzaio
      @Enzaio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I understand why you feel he insinuates that, but I don't think Bourdieu would say that Cardi B's music is as complex, rich or brilliant as that of Franz Liszt (I'm unfamiliar with both of their work btw). I think he would only say that the difference in value ascribed to it is disproportionally large to the difference in value that there is in actuality (if you would be able to measure the quality of music in a somewhat objective way). In our society, Cardi B fans are not viewed people with a refined musical taste, people who listen to Liszt are. But the difference in prestige between those two groups of people is probably far greater than the difference in pure quality, because taste is often defined as a binary: you either have it or you don't. While the enjoyability of music is not a binary: it's not like Liszt is totally enjoyable and Cardi B's music is not at all enjoyable. Otherwise, nobody would be able to enjoy Cardi B and everyone would love Liszt.

    • @fallowfieldoutwest
      @fallowfieldoutwest 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Enzaio I think you're right, thank you!

    • @saint_silver
      @saint_silver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The line is arbitrary in the sense that if Liszt is considered superior within certain social context, it is because this social context value arbitrarily certain caractéristiques over others.
      For example, if you are in a party of 20 something, you're ability to select a good song for everyone to dance is more valuable than you're knowledge of Liszt.
      In an upper class diner with educated guests, it's the contrary.
      Social Capital like Capital permit to navigate class conditioned spaces.

    • @Enzaio
      @Enzaio 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saint_silver I get what you're saying, but I don't buy into the reasoning that the social value of forcing yourself to like something, COMPLETELY determines your musical taste. And I also don't believe that there is no distinction to be made regarding the quality of different kinds of music.

    • @saint_silver
      @saint_silver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Enzaio That's good because absolutely no one with some sense is arguing that

  • @batuhanbozkurt6036
    @batuhanbozkurt6036 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Boring tone of voice, laborious genre. Even though I have an idea about Bourdieu's discourse, I had difficulty understanding your points. Sorry.

  • @stndsure7275
    @stndsure7275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hip Hop is not art, it is entertainment, maby just 'passtime'. Most of what we call 'art' simply does not qualify - we are just trying to justify what we "like" or fund in some way attractive, entertaining or a distraction for the ordinary.

    • @titankiller5287
      @titankiller5287 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Stndsure
      Blankety calling all hip hop not art is a ridiculous statement
      Even hip hop music I’m not fond of is definitely art, it may not be visual, but is a great piece of literature not art? Take the videos example, the odyssey, is that not art? No one will ever be able to tell me Aesop Rock, Lupe Fiasco, Nas, MF DOOM, Andre 3k etc aren’t poets, and therefor don’t make art
      The actual video is talking about the subjugation of the popular culture, and if I had to guess I’d say the value system you grew up under was not a fan of hip hop music and thus has closed your horizons, give new things a chance

    • @Theorychad99
      @Theorychad99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, Mf Doom, KA, Andre 3000

  • @temporamoresque
    @temporamoresque 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The last five minutes of your video referencing hip hop (a Black American art form) but then using images mostly of white people, and then a pre-hip hop social and political movement is... a choice

    • @lizzie7138
      @lizzie7138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is showing how hip hop transcended into other cultures.

  • @keeperofthecheese
    @keeperofthecheese 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Grime for Corbyn" will forever taint that genre of music.

    • @lizzie7138
      @lizzie7138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to a Corbyn supporter!

  • @siriuslyspeaking9720
    @siriuslyspeaking9720 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hip-Hop as a culture is a joke. It is mainly rapping. Graffiti existed before Hip-Hop. The only element of it that did not exist prior was scratching. Being a spectator of an art form doesn't make you a part of its culture. Hip-Hop was just the latest youth/adsolescent/ consumer pop-culture, to come along. It was argurably the most pretentious of its kind. Jazz, r&b, and reggae music had a great influence on young people outside of the U.S.. Whatever capital it has, is not in the hands of those of the masses, of the demographic, who created it. Nor has the communities it came out of benefited from it. To the contrary, they are worst. Non-Black people play at being H-H, but return to being themselves, when ever they want. A minority among Black people brought into the sterotypes among us, that media reinforced, and they seem convinced that this is really, who they are. Most likely know better, but it is profitable for them individually, and so they engage in this one sided economic relationship. The music would be nothing, without the samples of previous music forms it uses. The true history of Hip-Hop has yet to be written. Hopefully it will redeem itself, before that happens. Right now its living history, is not loking too good.

  • @andresjimenez8520
    @andresjimenez8520 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, a few days ago I discovered your amazing channel and when i watched several videos that deal with the issues of social and economic systems, I wondered if you could make a video about the economic system and environmental degradation. ............................................... And if you could identify the fallacies in the issue, since many pro-system say that Capitalism will be able to solve these problems through innovation and that it was those countries where there were socialist systems where the natural environment was most contaminated and destroyed. Others argue that it is the opposite and others mention that it is necessary to overcome both systems since they are two sides of the same coin and it is necessary to understand the complexity of the problem outside the Eurocentric and Anglo-Saxon logic. ... . ......... I am currently in the sixth semester of POLITICAL SCIENCE and I have decided to investigate more on the topic of Climate Change, common resources, redistribution of natural resources, consumerism among others.
    My main concern lies in identifying that the dominant economic model (dominant paradigm) is based on an infinite linear growth in a planet of finite resources, which results in many phenomena such as: Hyper-consumption, a structural inequality where the richest they consume more resources, the inequality at international level where some countries are destined to be over-exploited and to be suppliers of raw materials for the development of others, the loss of biodiversity, extinction of species, scarcity of resources among many others. (These last phenomena worry me too since my dad is a biologist)
    That said, I consider that from the social sciences (Political Science Included) it is the duty to propose alternative systems that break with the dominant paradigm, both politically and economically and that allow a redistribution of resources, such as fair economic activities and consumption rational of them.